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About me"The greatest university of all is a collection of books." -- Thomas Carlyle

I have always loved to read, but only in the past several years have I returned to reading on an almost daily basis. I often read five books at a time, bouncing from one to the other as my interest rises and falls in the work at hand.

I read a lot of nonfiction, especially history and biography. Traditionally, my interest has been primarily in American history, colonial period through the Civil War, plus Presidential biographies from all the various eras. Over the past few years, however, I became seduced by ancient Greece and the classical education I never had, so I read The Iliad & the Odyssey, Hesiod, Herodotus, Thucydides, and some great treatments of the various periods by current historians. I continue to pursue a study of the ancient world, as well as the so-called "big history" that reaches back to anthropology and even beyond human origins.

I used to read a lot of fiction. My favorite authors are William Faulkner, Ernest Hemingway, Andre Brink, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, and John Irving. Of late, I began reading contemporary literary fiction fairly regularly, including great recent stuff by Cormac McCarthy, Richard Powers, Junot Diaz, Khaled Hosseini, Dennis Lehane, and Andrea Barrett. Latest obsession has been Haruki Murakami. For awhile, I joined a first edition book club at the Odyssey Bookshop, a local independent bookseller, that fed a steady diet in this vein. At the same time, I have attempted to re-visit classic fiction such as Dickens, Crane, Stowe and Melville, Hemingway & Faulkner.

Until recently, I also belonged to a local books-and-beer reading club, B.C. Musical Glass, and we chose an unusual book each month that strays beyond usual interests. Beer was mandatory, of course.

It is not unusual for me to have four or five or even six books in progress at the same time, often a mix of fiction, non-fiction and classical. That way I never get bored!

I am very meticulous about handling and caring for my books. I loan anything to friends except books, because that is the one item few value on the same level as I do.

I have a B.A. in History with a minor in Politics from Fairfield University. I have completed a year of an online course in reading and writing Classical Greek through the Lukeion Group. I am taking courses towards that Masters Degree in Public History at APUS -- I am a Practicum away from graduation.

I am the owner and president of GoGeeks Computer Rescue, a company specializing in computer repair and custom computer manufacturing, which has absolutely nothing to do with books or reading ...

On April 14th 2009 I was elected to a three year term as Library trustee for the town of East Longmeadow MA. In 2011, I was elected as Vice-Chairman for the board of Library Trustees. I have since retired from the board.

One of my dreams is to finish a novel. I have written multiple short stories and have several longer (unrequited) longer works in progress ...

About my libraryI have 2282 books in my collection as of 6-26-14 (most on shelves but resorting to boxing up as I run out of physical space), primarily hardcover, which I cataloged using the awesome Book Collector software from collectorz.com. I batch uploaded my collection from Book Collector to LibraryThing and I still have to sort thru and figure out what didn't stick. So the LibraryThing list is not entirely accurate and underestimates the complete collection by a bit.

Here's what I've read over the last several years:
2004/2005
1. The Eternal Frontier – Flannery
2. Facing East From Indian Country – Richter
3. Benjamin Franklin – Isaacson
4. Uncle Tom’s Cabin – Stowe
5. The Dahlgren Affair – Schultz
6. Lincoln’s Last Night – Axelrod (5/16/05)
7. His Excellency: George Washington – Fleming
8. American Colonies – Taylor
9. A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies – Las Casas
10. Moby Dick – Melville
11. Memories of my Melancholy Whores – Garcia Marquez

READ 2006
12. The Iliad – Homer (2-2-06)
13. 1491 – Mann (2-3-06)
14. Troy – McCarty (2-9-06)
15. President Nixon – Reeves (2-21-06)
16. The Last Voyage of Columbus – Dugard (4-2-06)
17. The Red Badge of Courage – Crane (4-10-06)
18. The Odyssey – Homer (4-20-06)
19. Empires at War – Fowler (5-31-06 ?)
20. Troy and Homer – Joachim Latacz (6-12-06)
21. Agamemnon – Aeschylus (7-7-06)
22. 1776 – McCullough (7-9-06)
23. The War at Troy – Quintus of Smyrna (7-16-06)
24. Guns, Germs, and Steel – Diamond (8-20-06)
25. Gulliver’s Travels – Swift (8-29-06)
26. The King Must Die – Renault (10-13-06)
27. State of Denial – Woodward (10-29-06)
28. Before the Dawn – Wade (11-23-06)
29. Nisa: The Life and Words of a !Kung Woman – Shostak (12-9-06)
30. The Trojan War: A New History – Strauss (12-17-06)


READ 2007

31. The Kill Bill Diary – David Carradine (1-11-07)
32. Freethinkers – Susan Jacoby (2-19-07)
33. Frankenstein – Mary Shelley (3-23-07)
34. Persian Fire – Tom Holland (3-25-07)
35. Histories – Herodotus (6-2-07)
36. The Classical World: An Epic History From Homer to Hadrian – Robin Lane Fox (6-5-07)
37. Thomas Paine – Craig Nelson (6-14-07)
38. The Other Side of Silence – Andre Brink (8-6-07)
39. Cities of the Plain – Cormac McCarthy (8-9-07)
40. A Dangerous Friend – Ward Just (8-12-07)
41. Mayflower – Nathaniel Philbrick (8-12-07)
42. The Peloponnesian War –Donald Kagan (8-23-07)
43. The Kite Runner -- Khaled Hosseini (9-8-07)
44. The Inheritance of Loss – Kiran Desai (9-22-07)
45. The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao – Junot Diaz (9-25-07)
46. The Echo Maker – Richard Powers (10-14-07)
47. The History of the Peloponnesian War – Thucydides (10-25-07)
48. Bridge of Sighs – Richard Russo (11-17-07)
49. Theogony – Hesiod (11-29-07)
50. Roanoke Island: The Beginnings of English America – David Stick (12-1-07)
51. Coronado – Dennis Lehane (12-6-07)
52. The Air We Breathe – Andrea Barrett (12-13-07)
53. A Christmas Carol – Charles Dickens (12-23-07)

READ 2008

54. The Case of Abraham Lincoln – Julie M. Fenster (1-2-08)
55. The Pirate’s Daughter – Margaret Cezair-Thompson (1-31-08)
56. American Shaolin – Matthew Polly (2-8-08)
57. A Tale of Two Cities – Charles Dickens (2-11-08)
58. Frogs – Aristophanes (2-12-08)
59. Hellenica: Books 1-4 -- Xenophon (2-16-08)
60. Charlatan – Pope Brock (3-3-08)
61. A Golden Age – Tahmima Anam (3-16-08)
62. Arslan – Engh (3-25-08)
63. The Commoner -- John Burnham Schwartz (4-2-08)
64. Anabasis – Xenophon (4-6-08)
65. Scapegoats of the Empire – George Witton (4-13-08)
66. Killing Custer – James Welch, Paul Stekler (4-20-08)
67. The Persians – Aeschylus (4-24-08)
68. The Choephori(The Libation Bearers)- Aeschylus(4-27-08)
69. The Eumenides - Aeschylus (4-30-08)
70. Ajax – Sophocles (4-30-08)
71. Philoctetes – Sophocles (4-30-08)
72. Oedipus Rex – Sophocles (5-3-08)
73. American Creation – Joseph Ellis (5-11-08)
74. Antigone – Sophocles (5-18-08)
75. The River of Doubt – Candice Millard (5-22-08)
76. All the Pretty Horses – Cormac McCarthy (5-31-08)
77. Mudbound – Hilary Jordan (6-5-08)
78. The Crossing -- Cormac McCarthy (6-24-08)
79. Four Hats in the Ring – Lewis Gould (6-24-08)
80. Me of Little Faith – Lewis Black (7-3-08)
81. Zeus:A Journey Through Greece in the Footsteps of a God – Tom Stone (7-14-08)
82. How to Survive a Robot Uprising – Daniel H. Wilson (7-25-08)
83. Blood Meridian – Cormac McCarthy (8-2-08
84. The Cruelest Miles – Gay Salisbury & Laney Salisbury (8-15-08)
85. Inverted World – Christopher Priest (8-23-08)
86. Whale Hunt – Nelson Cole Haley (8-24-08)
87. A Thousand Splendid Suns -- Khaled Hosseini (9-15-08)
88. A Crack in the Edge of the World – Simon Winchester (10-17-08)
89. In Patagonia – Bruce Chatwin (11-29-08)
90. Just After Sunset – Stephen King (12-17-08)
91. Pyramids – Terry Pratchett (12-18-08)
92. The Road – Cormac McCarthy (12-26-08)

READ 2009

93. Noah's Flood – William Ryan & Walter Pitman (1-31-09)
94. The Bizarro Starter Kit – D. Harlan Wilson, et al (2-7-09)
95. Courtesans & Fishcakes – James Davidson (2-10-09)
96. Mr. Wilson’s Cabinet of Wonder – Lawrence Weschler (2-28-09)
97. Under the Banner of Heaven – Jon Krakauer (3-17-09)
98. Hellenica PT II – Xenophon (3-23-09)
99. Book Finds – Ian Ellis (3-28-09)
100. The Story of Edgar Sawtelle – David Wroblewski (4-12-09)
101. The Honey and the Hemlock: Democracy and Paranoia in Ancient Athens and Modern America – Eli Sagan (4-14-09)
102. Maps of Time: An Introduction to Big History – David Christian (4-17-09)
103. Child of God – Cormac McCarthy (4-23-09)
104. Snow Crash – Neil Stephenson (4-26-09)
105. Suttree – Cormac McCarthy (5-09-09)
106. Eleven Minutes – Paulo Coelho (5-12-09)
107. No Country for Old Men -- Cormac McCarthy (5-24-09)
108. My Name is Red – Orhan Pamuk (6-1-09)
109. The Illustrated A Brief History of Time – Stephen Hawking (6-3-09)
110. The Fuck-Up – Arthur Nersesian (6-24-09)
111. Outer Dark – Cormac McCarthy (6-26-09)
112. The Devil in Dover – Lauri Lebo (6-27-09)
113. The Garden of Last Days – Andre Dubus III (6-28-09)
114. America in 1857: A Nation on the Brink – Kenneth Stampp (7-16-09)
115. The Orchard Keeper – Cormac McCarthy (7-24-09)
116. Dead Until Dark – Charlaine Harris (8-9-09)
117. Too Loud a Solitude – Bohumil Hrabal (8-15-09)
118. Acharnians – Aristophanes (8-24-09)
119. The Beautiful Cigar Girl –Daniel Stashower (9-2-09)
120. Wildebeest in a Rainstorm – Jon Bowermaster (9-3-09)
121. The Long Fuse – Dan Cook (9-6-09
122. The Secret History – Donna Tartt (9-26-09)
123. Helen of Troy: Goddess, Princess, Whore -- Bettany Hughes (10-17-09)
124. Black Elk Speaks – John G. Neihardt & Black Elk (11-5-09)
125. Europe Between the Oceans – Barry Cunliffe (12-6-09)
126. Invisible Cities – Italo Calvino (12-10-09)
127. Perfecting Sound Forever – Greg Milner (12-12-09)

READ 2010

128. 1960: LBJ vs. JFK vs. Nixon – David Pietrusza (1-2-10)
129. The Year of the Flood – Margaret Atwood (1-22-10)
130. Phaedo – Plato (1-28-10)
131. The Athenian Constitution – Aristotle (2-10-10)
132. Folk Photography – Luc Sante (2-11-10)
133. The Great Comeback – Gary Ecelbarger (2-13-10)
134. The Lost City of Z – David Grann (2-16-10)
135. Going Native – Stephen Wright (2-28-10)
136. Strange Days Indeed: The Golden Age of Paranoia – Francis Wheen (3-25-10)
137. The War That Killed Achilles – Caroline Alexander (3-27-10)
138. The Ancestor’s Tale – Richard Dawkins (3-29-10)
139. The Iliad – Homer, Lattimore verse translation [re-read, alt. translation] (4-2-10)
140. A Companion to the Iliad – Malcolm Willcock (4-2-10)
141. Tutankhamun: His Tomb And Its Treasures – Edwards (4-12-10)
142. The Penelopiad – Margaret Atwood (4-18-10)
143. War With The Newts – Karel Capek (5-8-10)
144. The Lost World of Old Europe: The Danube Valley 5000-3500 BC – edited by David W. Anthony, Jennifer Y. Chi (5-13-10)
145. The Code Book: The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography – Simon Singh (5-14-10)
146. From Egypt to Babylon: The International Age 1550-500BC -- Paul Collins (5-27-10)
147. 1492: The Year the World Began – Felipe Fernandez-Armesto (5-28-10)
148. Presidential Confidential – John Boertlein (6-19-10)
149. Cleopatra: A Biography – Duane W. Roller (7-13-10)
150. Tours of the Black Clock – Steve Erickson (7-15-10)
152. Duma Key – Stephen King (8-4-10)
153. People of the Book – Geraldine Brooks (8-6-10)
154. The Outbreak of the Peloponnesian War – Donald Kagan (8-9-10)
155. Ancient Greece: From Prehistoric to Hellenistic Times – Thomas R. Martin (8-28-10)
156. The Best American Nonrequired Reading 2009 – Dave Eggers, ed. (9-18-10)
157. The Plot to Seize the White House – Jules Archer (9-19-10)
158. The Six Wives of Henry the VIII – Alison Weir (10-19-10)
159. Manhunt: The 12-Day Chase for Lincoln’s Killer – James L. Swanson (10-22-10)
160. Dracula's Guest: A Connoisseur's Collection of Victorian Vampire Stories – Michael Sims, ed. (10-23-10)
161. A Deeper Blue: The Life and Music of Townes Van Zandt – Robert Earl Hardy (11-7-10)
162. The Third Policeman – Flann O’Brien (11-14-10)
163. Lords of the Sea:The Epic Story of the Athenian Navy and the Birth of Democracy – John R. Hale (12-12-10)
164. Camp Concentration -- Thomas M. Disch (12-17-10)
165. Searoad: Chronicles of Klatsand – Ursula K. LeGuin (12-31-10)

READ 2011

166. Thucydides: The Reinvention of History – Donald Kagan (1-12-11)
167. The Tarim Mummies – J.P. Mallory & Victor H. Mair (2-10-11)
168. The Greeks – H.D.F. Kitto (2-19-11)
169. 169. The Reserve – Russell Banks (?)
170. Pattern Recognition – William Gibson (3-07-11)
171. City of Thieves – David Benioff (3-18-11
172. The Kennedy Legacy: Jack, Bobby and Ted and a Family Dream Fulfilled -- Vincent Bzdek (4-16-11)
173. From Reliable Sources: An Introduction to Historical Methods – Martha Howell & Walter Prevenier (4-22-11)
174. Life – Keith Richards (4-29-11)
175. Sitting Bull: Prisoner of War – Dennis C. Pope (4-30-11)
176. Alexander the Great -- Paul Cartledge (5-18-11)
177. Lapham’s Quarterly: Spring 2011 – Lewis Lapham (5-21-11, book club selection)
178. The Horse, The Wheel, and Language – David Anthony (5-25-11)
179. Return to Nisa – Marjorie Shostak (5-28-11)
180. Nightmare Alley – William Lindsay Gresham (7-25-11)
181. The Snakebite Survivors Club: Travels Among Serpents – Jeremy Seal (7-28-11)
182. 1861: The Civil War Awakening - Adam Goodheart (9-10-11)
183. Lincoln: President-Elect – Harold Holzer (9-14-11)
184. The Sisters Brothers—Patrick DeWitt (9-17-11)
185. Jacqueline Kennedy: Historic Conversations on Life with John F. Kennedy – Caroline Kennedy & Michael Beschloss (10-3-11)[audio]
186. An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy 1917-1963 – Robert Dallek (10-5-11)
187. House Arrest – Ellen Meeropol (10-19-11)
188. Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War – Karl Marlantes (10-31-11)
189. A War Like No Other – Victor Davis Hanson (11-1-11)
190. The Slynx – Tatyana Tostaya (12-10-11)
191. The Greco-Persian Wars – Peter Green (12-18-11)
192. Great Harry: The Extravagant Life of Henry VIII – Carrolly Erickson (12-31-11)

READ 2012

193. The End of Manners – Francesca Marciano (1-27-12)
194. Life in Year One – Scott Korb (1-28-12)
195. A Canticle For Leibowitz – Walter M. Miller, Jr. (2-10-12)
196. Scorpions – Noah Feldman (2-13-12)
197. The Disappearing Spoon – Sam Kean (3-3-12)
198. Catapult – Jim Paul (3-30-12)
199. Rubicon – Tom Holland (3-21-12)
200. The Limits of Power – Andrew J. Bacevich (4-7-12)
201. Swords Against the Senate – Erik Hildinger (4-19-12)
202. Shiloh: And the Western Campaign of 1862 – O. Edward Cunningham (5-3-12)
203. War Fever – J.G. Ballard (5-17-12)
204. The Passage of Power – Robert A. Caro (6-11-12)
205. The Three Christs of Ypsilanti – Milton Rokeach (6-24-12)
206. Lennon: The Man, the Myth, the Music – The Definitive Life – Tim Riley (7-15-12)
207. Crossroads of Freedom: Antietam – The Battle That Changed the Course of the Civil War – James M. McPherson (8-3-12)
208. Prisoner’s Dilemma – William Poundstone (8-10-12)
209. Kafka on the Shore – Haruki Murakami (8-27-12)
210. 1948: Harry Truman’s Improbable Victory and the Year That Transformed America – David Pietrusza (9-2-12)
211. Public Enemies – Bryan Burrough (9-9-12)
212. To End All Wars – Adam Hochschild (9-25-12)
213. The Given Day -- Dennis Lehane (10-8-12)
214. Indigo – Catherine McKinley (10-9-12)
215. Their Heads Are Green and Their Hands Are Blue – Paul Bowles (10-26-12)
216. Norwegian Wood -- Haruki Murakami (11-3-12)
217. Europe's Last Summer – David Fromkin (11-10-12)
218. Plows, Plagues & Petroleum – William F. Ruddiman (11-11-12)
219. Red Sorghum – Mo Yan (11-15-12)
220. The Picture of Dorian Gray – Oscar Wilde (11-16-12)
221. This is How You Lose Her – Junot Diaz (11-20-12)
222. Flight Behavior – Barbara Kingsolver (12-4-12)
223. Reservation Blues – Sherman Alexie (1-4-13)
224. 1Q84 – Haruki Murakami (1-25-13)
225. Why Does the World Exist – Jim Holt (2-23-13)
226. Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons – John Carter (3-1-13)
227. Cold Skin – Albert Sanchez Pinol (3-14-13)
228. Listening In: The Secret White House Recordings of John F. Kennedy – Ted Widmer, ed. (3-19-13)
229. Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas -- Nicholas Pileggi (4-5-13)
230. Gettysburg -- Stephen W. Sears (4-7-13)
231. The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle – Haruki Murakami (4-13-13)
232. The Housekeeper and the Professor – Yoko Ogawa (4-19-13)
233. Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power – Jon Meacham (4-20-13)
234. Revenge – Yoko Ogawa (4-22-13)
The Most Glorious Fourth: Vicksburg and Gettysburg, July 4, 1863 -- Duane Schultz (5-15-13)
236. To Have and Have Not -- Ernest Hemingway (5-15-13)
237. Alexander Hamilton – Ron Chernow (5-23-13)
238. Independence – John Ferling (6-4-13)
239. Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why -- Laurence Gonzales (6-8-13)
240. The Great Gatsby – F. Scott Fitzgerald (6-11-13)
241. The Particle at the End of the Universe: How the Hunt for the Higgs Boson Leads Us to the Edge of a New World -- Sean Carroll (7-9-13)
242. Civilwarland in Bad Decline – George Saunders (7-22)
243. All Quiet on the Western Front – Erich Maria Remarque (7-25)
244. America Aflame: How the Civil War Created a Nation – David Goldfield (7-26)
245. After Dark – Haruki Murakami (8-2)
246. Zealot – Reza Aslan (8-26-13)
247. 1493: Uncovering the New World Columbus Created – Charles Mann (8-31-13)
248. The Age of Everything: How Science Explores the Past – Matthew Hedman (9-14-13)
249. A Black Hole is Not a Hole – Carolyn Cinami DeCristofano (9-18-13)
250. Death in the Afternoon – Ernest Hemingway (10-10-13)
251. The Horrid Pit: The Battle of the Crater, the Civil War’s Cruelest Mission – Alan Axelrod (10-14-13)
252. Shot All to Hell – Mark Lee Gardner (10-26-13)
253. Edwin Mullhouse: The Life and Death of an American Writer 1943-1954 by Jeffrey Cartwright – Steven Millhauser (11-07-13)
254.The Bones of the Earth – Howard Mansfield (11-17-13)
255. Burial Rites – Hannah Kent (11-20-13)
256. Sartoris – William Faulkner (12-6-13)
257. The Girls and Boys of Belchertown: A Social History of the Belchertown State School for the Feeble-Minded – Robert Hornick (12-17-13)
258. The Penultimate Truth – Philip K. Dick (1-6-14)
259. The Civil War in Color – John C. Guntzelman (1-8-14)
260. The Sound and the Fury – William Faulkner [re-read] (1-9-14)
261. The Elephant Vanishes – Haruki Murakami (1-15-14)
262. The Pseudo-Science Wars: Immanuel Velikovsky and the Birth of the Modern Fringe – Michael D. Gordin (2-2-14)
263. Selected Short Stories of William Faulkner – William Faulkner (2-28-14)
264. Kraken – China Mieville (3-22-14)
265. In the Presence of Mine Enemies: war in the Heart of America, 1859-1863 – Edward L. Ayers (4-14-14)
266. The Wild Sheep Chase – Haruki Murakami (4-27-14)
267. Taken At The Flood: The Roman Conquest of Greece – Robin Waterfield (5-3-14)
268. Dividing the Spoils: The War For Alexander the Great’s Empire – Robin Waterfield (5-14-14)
269. Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World – Haruki Murakami (5-26-14)
270. When the Devil Comes Down to Dixie: Ben Butler in New Orleans - Chester Hearn (5-28-14)
271. Ghosts on the Throne: The Death of Alexander the Great and the War for Crown and Empire - James Romm (5-31-14)
272. The Diving Pool: Three Novellas – Yoko Ogawa (6-1-14)
273. Envy of the Gods: Alexander the Great’s Ill-Fated Journey Across Asia – John Prevas (6-6-14)
274. One Summer: America 1927 – Bill Bryson (6-24-14)
275. From Democrats to Kings: The Brutal Dawn of a New World from the Downfall of Athens to the Rose of Alexander the Great – Michael Scott (7-4-14)
276. Butch Cassidy: Beyond the Grave -- W.C. Jameson (7-11-14)

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Favorite authorsAndré Brink, William Faulkner, Ernest Hemingway, John Irving, Gabriel García Márquez, Cormac McCarthy, William Styron (Shared favorites)

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No reason, other than that I never paid attention to it. I'm not even sure what it is. Maybe next year!
Someone opened his Christmas presents.....! :-)
Hello Stan,
I noticed you just added a book by Bruce Catton, my favorite Civil War author. It used to be a tie between him and Shelby Foote but Catton has won out. I listen to audio books and have several of his titles, including the Centennial History of the Civil War on audio. I just finished listening to The Coming Fury for at least the third time. I think his description of the Charleston convention when the Democratic party split is fascinating. Catton started writing as a journalist and I think that was a big aid to his ability to write such wonderful thumbnail descriptions of people and events. Herman Hattaway in his book How the North Won: A Military History of the Civil War cites Catton fifteen times for those types of little blurbs.
I read Independence by John Ferling last year. I found it well written and very informative. There are not many books that focus on that topic. Most of the time it is just written about along with the other events of the American Revolution. I have A Leap in the Dark and two other books by Ferling. I really enjoyed his book on the election of 1800. I think that Thomas Jefferson played some genuine dirty tricks to win that election. I read somewhere that Jefferson would not have won without the number of electors added to the Southern states by the 3/5 compromise.
I hope I don't bore you with my little stories. Do good and be well.
Bill
Looks like someone got some nice xmas gifts....!
That Plows, Plags & Platroleum must have been a slog, huh?
Hello Stan,
Thanks for the heads up on "To End All Wars". I have it on audio and had trouble getting into it. I listened to the whole book in about three days and really enjoyed it. Not exactly the official version of the history of the war. The author did a very good job of showing a different point of view on the war.
Bill
Hello Stan,
Knock, Knock it's me again. You have had an interesting haul of books lately. An interesting blend of fiction and non-fiction. I recently got a nice two volume set that has nine science fiction novels from the 50's and 60's. The Bornerman book on the French and Indian war looks interesting. I have his book on the War of 1812, still waiting to be read. I recently got Crucible of War by Fred Anderson which is a rather thick treatment of the French and Indian War. I hope it lives up to what I read about it. I was interested by Europe's Last Summer. The more I read about WWI the more I want to read. In England they still call it The Great War. I am reading a three volume work titled Origins of the War of 1914 by Luigi Albertini. It took me about one year to read the first volume. Right now I am at mid-July 1914 on page 235 in the second volume. The book has a wonderful three page step by step telling of what happened on the streets of Sarajevo when the Archduke was murdered. Got to go. Keep buying, keep reading.
Bill
Hello,
Yes that is quite a deal. I hate to buy books at retail. I buy a lot of my books used or wait for some type of sale on a website. Right now I need to concentrate on reading more than buying. Next year I am going to post my books on Club Read and not keep track of how many books I read. I am always looking for posts of history reviews, hint, hint. They are few and far between. I looked at the video, you've changed a bit.
Bill
Hello Garp,
I noticed you picked up Alexander to Actium. I have had the book for several years but haven't finished it yet. I have started it several times, it is a pretty imposing book to tackle. I love the way Peter Green writes and the book is full of photos of fascinating artifacts. I read the Rubicon by Tom Holland this year and enjoyed it very much. It is a terrific story and Holland tells a lot about the underside of Roman life. I read Persian Fire earlier in the year and enjoyed that also. Shiloh by O. Edward Cunningham is one of my favorite Civil War battle books. The author does a great job of weaving a narrative out of primary sources until you feel like you were there.
I use the 50 book challenge to keep a reading journal but it's not easy to find people who read history and post what they read. What I don't like is feeling like I have to read 50 books in a year. That's hard to do if you read books like Alexander to Actium.
Have a great day.
Bill
BTW, I see you have some of the Robert Caro LBJ bios. Have you read them? A trusted friend swears by them: "Best biography I've ever read."
Hey buddy -- let me know how the Flores book is. Anything new there, or a recounting?
I wasn't affirming that you'll like the text -- I dunno. By your edition, Scullard had at least partially reworked the text. Cary originally wrote it around 1936 I believe. I don't know how much was changed or updated. The Cary book with the lone author has a decidedly Old School feeling. The whole thing feels like a piece of ancient history itself!
I guess you have heard me wax poetic about my hard-cover 1960 edition of M. Cary's A History of Rome Down to the Reign of Constantine? One of the true gems of my library. With it's pull-out maps and architectural diagrams, and the old-style paragraph summaries in the margins? I will show it to you sometime!
Yes, it is one of the few books I deemed worthy of "wishlisting" here on LibraryThing.
As for sharing some advisable reads on Greece, of course, recommend away!
Yes, Yes I was. Sorry to have not responded sooner but this winter was crazy. How did you like the selection?
Hello,
I have not yet read "Courtesans and Fishcakes," but I am certain that once I do, I will love it. I love Classical Greece more than any other time period (except Ancient Egypt) and do not know nearly as much as I should about it. It's one of those books that I know I'll break down and order on Amazon one of these days, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
John Hawks! Wow! I am a big fan of his. I had know idea he taught a Great Course course. I am about to check availability thru ILL. It has to be good.
Beginning to see signs of your Christmas presents!
Thank you for my SantaThing book! It is exactly the kind of book I was hoping for - historical, 'literary' and yet not one I would have chosen on my own without a strong recommendation! I'll be starting it today after the festivities die down.

As far as a recommendation for steampunk - I'm new to the genre myself, but I've really enjoyed novels by Cherie Priest, Gordon Dahlquist and Harry Harrison.

Merry Christmas!

-Matthew
Hello Stan,
Looks like you scored some neat books. I love the Penguin Historical Atlases. They are not major league scholarship but they have a good amount of information. I love most atlases. I have a two volume Penguin Atlas of World History. It was written by two Germans. One side of the page is a chronology and the other side is maps. They are two of my favorite books. I hope I am not repeating myself.
I read a review of the Loren Samons book on Amazon. The reviewer said that Samons was a genius and could be President if he wanted to. If it weren't beneath his ability.
Hope I am not clogging your comment list.
Take care.
Bill
Stan,
I saw the books you got recently on my home page. They look very interesting. You should check out the posted review for Arthur Waley's book. It's very weird. I took a look at the Fontana series. It looks very good. Very informative and very compact. Are those for a class? I have started reading some Ancient Greece and Rome. Your two books make me want to read Alexander to Actium. I have had it a long time and have read bits of it. Peter Green is a good author.I have been looking at finishing up Edward Gibbon. It really is a good book. I just finished Persian Fire. I read your review.
I like your reviews. I do a thread of reviews of the books I have read. I have used 50 book challenge, Club Read and Off the Shelf. You might find that interesting. It's nice to have a little journal of what you have read.
Yak, yak, yak time to go.
Bill
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I started reading "Rise and Fall" when I was about 12. My wife is German and I had to take the cover off of my copy, she hates the twisted cross. It feels crowded in there. You can't spin the globe around with it stuck back behind the lamp.
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Yeah I've cited it a few times, but never sat down to actually crack into it. I imagine there are newer (and more easily read) books about it now. Actually I do know this, because I've read them. haha
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Had it since I was 12. Still haven't read it ...
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I see Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"... kinda hard to miss... haha
Good.

Robert
I just read that the tornado went towards East Longmeadow and touched down in Monson. Are you all right?

Robert
This is the link to the non-fiction challenge. It is a place for people to post their non-fiction reading. I am also on the fifty book challenge but I am lagging behind at this point. I do it so I have a record of what I read. At the end of the year I print it up and put it in a binder. There have been a lot of changes in the website. I am sure it is a lot of information to keep track of. All those little one's and zero's.

http://www.librarything.com/groups/nonfictionchallenge#forums
Your list of most recent activity show some of my favorite books. Bruce Catton and Michael Finley are two of my favorite authors. Catton's writing is very descriptive. I recently read a book by another Civil War writer who cited Catton 15 times because his writing was so good. The author had Catton in his index.
Michael Finley is an excellent writer. He can get more material in one essay than some authors do in a book. I have bought every book of his I could find. Unfortunately I have not read them all yet.
I hope you write reviews of some of those. I would love to read what you have to say about them. We have started a group titled non-fiction challenge. It is a place for people to write about the non-fiction books they read. You might take a look at it. Non-fiction covers a lot of territory so there are posts about a wide variety of interesting books.
Yes, I see there are a few. I finished "The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe ca. 1200 B.C.", which I'm pretty sure is the one we've made reference to in our discussions.
You're a good egg, Stan! :)
Point well taken. I think what I am getting at is somewhat afield from the Greeks or any particular Bronze Age culture however. It's more the Big History issue. Just as investigation into the collapse of the Mycenaean world raises the issue of the wider Bronze Age collapse, looking into the Bronze Age Aegean for me raises the question of what is the very meaning of "Bronze Age". What does this mean in its widest sense? How much (or little) does it have to do with the use of Bronze? How should we understand this period in human development in terms of what came before and after? You probably understood that I was getting at that, but I thought I would articulate it.


Well, first let me just assure you that I did not read Drews expecting the answer; given my limited knowledge base, any book -- polemic though it may be -- has a lot in it for me to learn from as long as the scholarship underlying the point of view is solid. In the case of Drews, he may be useful in the way that drug representatives are useful to doctors (I do not talk to them, for the record, seeing pharmaceutical companies' efforts to influence my prescribing practices as a conflict of interest): They are wonderful at telling you what is wrong with the other companies' drug; Drew is persuasive in his attacks on competing explanations of the Collapse. He seems knowledgeable, whether or not you accept his conclusions.

Hard to say whether he is worth reading given what you already know, but another of his strengths is in something I see as very important in considering the collapse. I cringe whenever I read about the collapse of Mycenaean society as if it can be separated from the contemporaneous collapse of the entire eastern Mediterranean world. Relatively enduring and stable for two millennia, and then over a few decades all gone, from the Aegean to Anatolia to the Levant. And as you say, it is really the end of the powerful and prominent role Egypt has played throughout the period. Drews puts the Collapse in the perspective in which I believe it belongs: the collapse of not just a local region -- though local factors may have played specific roles in particular places -- but the sudden end of an era, widely, definitively and catastrophically.

I too am intrigued by the Philistine case. Drews, BTW, disbelieves it. He presents evidence for a Philistine population existing in Canaan for a long time, most of them of Palestinian origin. He argues that while there may have been some new immigrants arriving c. 1200, they would have been small in number. He cites the parallel between the flight of the Hebrew slaves from Egypt and the plight of the refugees from Greece/Crete, and suggests the idea of a wider Exodus was appropriated by the population of the region and mythologized into an ancient myth of Philistine external origins. He is more emphatic and prolix about the modern "myth", describing it as without evidence be it literary, archeological or documentary. Trust me that he has all kinds of very bad things to say about the idea that the Philistines were Mycenaeans.

But he could well be wrong.

I must tell you that my Bronze Age exploits are starting to pull me away from Greece and toward the wider Mesopotamian Bronze Age. What really characterizes this period? Do we do our understanding a service by using the shorthand "Bronze Age" and "Iron Age" What else do we mean by these terms? So I've started to move backward, toward 3000 BCE, in search of a more complete comprehension of what the changes from the Neolithic really mean.

I've had a thought: What if the ancient Sumerians were informed that we -- godlike and from the incomprehensible future that we are -- were studying their culture, looking for understanding of our own origins? Perhaps they would be honored. Flattered. Proud that they are remembered and that they accomplished something still recalled. But I imagine they might also shake their heads, thinking we have far more interesting things to occupy us in our complex world than will be found in theirs. Just a thought. Certainly I am not suggesting all this isn't fascinating and well worth studying. Just another perspective. And my mind always runs toward the question of the best allocation of the limited time I have here on Earth.

Of course, I am enjoying this immensely, filling in the blanks, expanding my mind and my conception of the past...

Thanks for your thoughts. Always most interesting. To be continued ---
Sure does. I read through the introduction and early chapters available on Amazon. He discusses the interesting notion that a society begins to be in some sense literate when it depends on writing to perform significant societal functions, even if the vast majority of the population is not personally literate. Mycenaean Greece, Bronze Age societies in general... it was already in motion...

I know I'm digressing here but I read this thought today: "Attempts at reconstructing a ‘Bronze Age world view’ can only ever be speculative in a Europe where the absence of literacy prevents mind-to-mind contact across the ages. Understanding is necessarily determined by familiarity with a variety of models relating to both past and present societies, derived from history and ethnography. Such models can provide several alternative views of the same society, though there may be others which are more appropriate though less well known" from European Societies in the Bronze Age By A. F. Harding, Cambridge Univ. Press, 2000.

As I am new to really studying this period more deeply -- but am currently obsessed with it -- I have been puzzling over this. How true is this? What are the limits in trying to understand the Bronze versus Iron Age people? If there is a deep chasm of understanding that cannot be bridged, are there implications personally for allocating study time/energy? Or, as I am inclined to believe, do we take the limits for what the are, and try to wring out what understanding can be had of these pivotal places of early organized societies?

I did come across an explanation to one of my questions today:

I wondered at the incredibly well preserved objets d'art from the Bronze Age world. How is it they were not plundered? How did they survive? According to Robert Drews "The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe CA. 1200 B.C.", as he critiques the theory that earthquakes could have been involved in destroying many of the eastern Mediterranean cities, one would expect palaces destroyed by earthquake to be a bonanza for archeologists. As opposed to ones destroyed by pillaging and burning. But the only items of gold, silver and bronze found in these palaces were in hidden wall caches or buried in pits.

Anyway, the book you linked to starts with the Hellenistic world, where of course writing is very different and spread far beyond a class of scribes, clerics and bureaucrats/functionaries. It looks like fascinating reading, especially if you are interested -- as I am -- in ancient writing.
Glad you got your ST books finally, Garp83! Hope you enjoy them.
So cool you met Stephen King. Makes sense to me that he's a good guy. I have been traveling overseas quite a lot for the last 11 years, and I would always say, with a red face, look it wasn't my fault, I didn't vote for him.
Hey there Stan - just wanted to drop by and tell you I had a good chuckle at your last post in the TJ thread. And likewise, I find your library interesting. I was surprised that we had as many books in common as we do, because I think you are at "a higher level of reading" than I me...LOL, but thank goodness for Stephen King! Take care.
-Lisa
Nope, I was not your Santa. Don't lose hope, a bunch of folks are reporting getting their stuff yesterday and today.

Thanks again!
Heya- The SantaThing package finally arrived yesterday. Thanks for the thoughtful selections; SantaThing has not failed me yet!

-W
Oh wow. Now I'm jealous. No chance I'll be able to travel to the States for that one, but, if you will, please let me know if there's an interesting exhibition catalog.
Ah, you've obtained a copy of "The Tarim Mummies". Congrats, that will give some of that info on the Tocharian branch of Indo-Europeans.
Haven't done the Alexander course by Harl. But also thoroughly enjoyed The Crusades, yet another fount of information.

I'm just over half-way through the Alexander Hamilton. I have stalled in recent weeks because I'm actually listening to it on an MP3 download. I have really enjoyed it thus far, but it is a very long book and I'm not finding the time to listen. Got to get back to it.
I just perused your profile and can't think why I didn't do that before. I am mightily impressed by the range of your reading over the past few years. Also, I see we share a few common titles and we are both reading Ron Chernow's Hamilton bio.

I, too, am a Teaching Company afficionado and didn't realize there is a group on LT. I have to go check that out. One of my favorite all time courses is the one taught by Kenneth Harl on the World of Byzantium. I dare say you've heard or seen it what with your interest in ancient Greece. Byzantium may be outside your interest on the historical time line, but I learned so much that I hadn't known before about just where the Eastern Empire fit into the European scheme of things. It is like discovering long lost pieces to a puzzle. Can't recommend it enough.

Thanks for your comment and the links. I'll follow up.

Have a merry Christmas, by the way. I'm hoping Santa will bring you (and me) a gift certificate to a great bookstore!
I haven't read it, but now it is going on the teetering TBR stack. . .
Ah yes, I don't think any "one theory explains it all" approach can ever cover it all. But his analysis of the factor is compelling.
Off topic, so I didn't want to post in in the thread. But if you're that interested in the Bronze Age I really can't recommend "The End of the Bronze Age" (http://www.librarything.com/work/237148) high enough. Totally fascinating explanation of the c. 1,200 BCE collapse.
My wife and I were going through a book last night titled Historical Atlas of the United States by Derek Hayes and I thought of your interest in atlases. I remember you writing about the Barrington Atlas. This book is a book of maps that were made at the historical time they portray. We were looking at a map of Philadelphia done during the time the Constitution was written. The whole city was only 10 to 12 blocks in size, then it was meadow. The book has maps through 2001. There are some very interesting maps that are drawings of cities. You can see the large buildings in some detail and the rivers and bridges. We had a good time. My wife has also been going through the National Geographic Atlas, Eighth Edition, which I see you have. I wanted to say hello and pass along my thought. See you on Ancient History etc.
I don't really collect....they just sort of attach themselves to me as I walk through the bookstores. I'm 49 years of age. I remember buying a photobook/film criticism of "Last Tango in Paris" at a dusty paperback exchange place in Clovis, New Mexico way back in '74 or '75. I probably bought it for the pictures: I really had it bad for Maria Schneider. Anyway, it's been downhill from there...
Hello Garp,
I thought I'd reply to you here and not hijack the thread any more. I wonder if Grant (who had a long career) wasn't better in the beginning, and just got lazy when his rehashed histories turned into cash cows. (An internet search shows that he wrote a lot of books.) I seem to remember my younger self enjoying his book on gladiators, and I know he translated several volumes of Cicero for Penguin. He was also apparently quite an authority on Roman coins. But most of the stuff from at least the mid-70's on is boring as hell.

Thanks for the kind words on the shelves. This is the "visible" library, with the "invisible" collection residing in those white boxes in the garage. Thank God for LT! Now I can actually go to the right box and find what I'm looking for immediately, rather than scrounging around all afternoon for an elusive volume.

As a matter of fact, I have at least started doing some culling. The castaways are tagged "removed", but of course, they aren't really gone until I get them out of the garage. ;)
Don't do it - you'll only have to start on Oxford Classical Texts, Budés and Teubners then...
Actually that Hellada or Ελλάδα means Greece. I am a teenager .I never mean to be rude i just sound like that . Well, any question about my language is accepted...
am i a student? how is that suppose to have any importance? did i ask you what do you do for a living? Anyway i am . I also am not so rude - i know i were but... every time that's the only question i prove to be the only one on that age in LT.- Thanks for the adresse it was very intersting. By the way i didn't know that that place does even exist so i am really into knowing anything about it. Do you know any words in Greek , for examble what if i type : ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ?

c.q. is that you on that foto?

(Curious Question)
yes ,right in the center of Greece . Where do you live? i can help you with any question you might have , it's going to be a pressure i suppose! :)
I hope you learnt the Greek alphabet otherwise i would be glad to help you with that -being a Greek is way to learn the alphabet i suppose! :)-
Hey I just read Cunliffe's "The Extraordinary Voyage of Pytheas the Greek" over the last couple of days. Have you ever read it/any thoughts? It was really light reading (he doesn't even have footnotes, which I found kinda weird) but I found it enjoyable enough. I just kind of wish there was a bit more substance, if you know what I mean. It was definitely written for a broad audience though, so it felt like Cunliffe was spending a lot of time telling me stuff I already know (I don't NEED to be told that Pontus is in Asia Minor which is now called Turkey... but I guess some people do). He has a "further reading" section in the back which is cool, but in the end I sort of wonder how much more there is to "know", since Pytheas' writing exists only in paraphrased form via other ancient writers. Cunliffe tells a nice story, but he was sort of forced by circumstance to use the subjunctive a little more than I'd like in a non-fiction book: Pytheas "could have" done this or "might have decided" to do that.

Anywho, I'd recommend it if you haven't already read it; it needn't clutter your TBR pile, since as I say, it's an easy read and you can knock it out in a couple days' time. For better or worse, in the end I kind of wanted more; but I guess that's part of a writer's job, isn't it?
Happy New Year!
I think you will like "The Empire of Liberty". I just finished it and I thought it was very good. I wrote a review if you are interested. I was glad to see that Wood cited from several volumes I have published by Library of America. One of them is the Jefferson Writings that you have in your library. Between those volumes and the two volume set on the Debates on the Constitution I have eight volumes from LoA that are legitimate primary source materials. I am going to make an effort to read some of the books this year.
One book you might be interested in is "The American Revolution" from Library of America. It has writings by everyone from the privates to the generals who fought in the revolution. I learned a lot reading it.
Well I will write on and on. From what I read you had a good Christmas. Best wishes for the year.
Bill
That's me. At least six going, but carrying Dawkins with me. What is it - heavy book, heavy reading, or just enjoyment? Plan to read when I quit work, but how would I pay for the books I buy? I am looking for quiet corner right now. Oldman
I've been meaning to say "Thanks" for the books. Odd, I too have dropped most of my other reading in favor of The Ancestor's Tale. Can't seem to put it down, and that includes carrying it to work. Thanks for this one and the Cormac McCarthy - I almost got cought up in that one too. Have good holidays and good reading. Oldman
You are most welcome!:o)
I read "Into the Wild" and it was so good. I just put the Banner book on my wishlist.

I've basically taken the last month or so off from reading my obligatory review-reads and have been reading all the things I want to read. Lots of scifi/fantasy and apparently mountaineering books...lol.
Did you know Cormac has an unfinished book titled "The Passenger?" I don't know if it's a new work or an older one he abandoned, but we can only hope...

Btw, I recently read two books about mountain climbing: "Into Thin Air" and "K2". Howse that for a different read ;]
Howdy, Garp me buddy. Just wanted to say that I hope you and yours had an awesome ThanksGiving.
Now I'm going to chime in here, uninvited but I am sure not unwelcome. I loved Gravity's Rainbow as noted in the thread, but I read it as a young person, so maybe Lizzie's right about that. But I think you ought to try it.
I agree re Atwood. I love everything by her I've ever read, including Oryx and Crake. I haven't read Penelopiad, but sounds interesting. I also liked Blind Assassin, though.
Stan - almost anything by Atwood is a winner! I've most recently read Alias Grace which I just adored. Haven't read Oryx and Crake or Penelopiad, which I must see about procuring. (If you don't know her poem, "The Siren," you should hunt it up online. It will appeal to your classical bent.)
Peggy
Hey, Stan. You may get wild Pynchon lovers saying READ GRAVITY NOW. I think I came to it too late. I'm entertained, bored, amused, bemused, confused, enlightened, and confounded enough to finish it, but I'd never run out into the streets yelling "You have to read this book!" (I'll be interested to see whether wild Pynchon lovers show themselves.)
Peggy

(Yeah.....snooping around your comments here, I'd say that you should read some Atwood - just not Blind Assassin.)
Hi, thanks for your comment! Just finished Interview With The Vampire and I liked it very well, much more emotional than the movie (although I haven't watched it in a long time). I was hesitant at first, I read the Witching Hour and then tried Lasher and just couldn't get through the thing. This was much more enjoyable!
No, it won't make you crazy. I'm already almost used to it... almost. :oD
It's okay, but I wish he hadn't insert a person from our time in there. It makes me feel like a middle schooler that he's trying to engage. I'm already interested, I don't need a gimmick. Good detail, though.

Hello Garp83,
I just finished reading your review of [Helen of Troy:Goddess, Princess, Whore] and enjoyed it very much. I gave you a thumbs up in appreciation. It sounds like a book I would enjoy. I have a copy of [Island at the Center of the World] which is on your currently reading list. I look forward to what you have to say about it. I also have a copy of [Suttree] which is on your list of books read in 2009. I have actually slowed down a little on buying books so I can concentrate on reading the ones I have. I went through my catalog and figured out that I have only read about 25% of the books in my library. That is a little embarrassing and shows that I have plenty of books to read. I have about 100 volumes from Library of America and they are either one book that is 800 to 1600 pages long or a volume of an author's work with 3 to 5 separate novels in it. The bottom line is that I have plenty to read so I have cut down my buying, although I just got 5 books in from Amazon.
I haven't been posting much on History at 30,000 feet. I go there all of the time and read through the threads. A lot of times I just don't feel I have anything to add. I was doing the 50 book challenge and keeping up with that takes some time. I have moved to Club Read which has a more informal structure. I do enjoy keeping a reading journal. I printed my 50 book challenge thread from last year and have it in a binder. I usually read history on a topical basis and the journal keeps me on track. The best book I have read this year is [Mind of the Master Class]. It is an intellectual history of the ante-bellum South and is quite a work of scholarship. Now I am getting interested in the American Revolution.
I do ramble on. Come say hello when you have the time and let me know how you liked [Suttree].
Bill
Wow Garp! That book sounds fabulous. ;)

And the best part is our local library actually owns a copy. W00T!!!

Thanks,
Pam

Hey. I've got to find it. Sorry!

T
I'd need a fake name, which would kind of defeat the purpose of connecting with one's past...
Hey G --

How is the Loom of History?
The easiest way to let me know that you have completed a president is to post a message on the President's thread with the title of the book so that I can add it to the list and check you off for that president.
Also, on the ticker thread, if you create a message for tracking and just add to that list. I try to check there frequently, but I admit I have been bad this past month because I was trying to finish my 999 Challenge. Smack my hand, I will go check there immediately.

Glad you are with us, you have spiced things up a bit with new ideas!

Cheli
Actually, I have not read the Handmaid's Tale. I'm not sure what was going on when it came out, but it never got on my TBR. I think maybe I was in my Cahokia stage or something and only reading non-fiction.

In any case, from the few works I've looked this week, I think anything of Atwood's is worth looking at. At times she just brilliant.

What are you reading now?

Garp, Garp, Garp!

Found a book and have to share. It's Margaret Atwood's "The Penelopiad". I think you'd either like it alot or else loath it alot. I thought it was pretty darn brilliant fiction, but what also rocked was the myth analysis at the end.

Thanks for that link!
Hi Garp,

No worries about any delays. Thanks for your thoughts.

A few thoughts on the books. I think that by the ending of "Snow Crash" the main points had already been made - and I love that church of Elvis. As for "My Name is Red" - it just stuck around with me for awhile.

I liked Noah's flood for the geological aspects and I think they were fully convincing that the Black Sea filled in roughly 7500 years ago. I thought the archeological aspects were not so well done, which is too bad. Knowing for certain that sea filled in at that time really should open some eyes and alter the overall archeological thoughts... or maybe that idea long considered and accepted? It would have been nice to get the view point of an archeologist who really understood that implications.

I could use a RL book club like yours!

cheers,
d
Hi Stan,

I take it the '83 isn't your birth year. They do grow up fast. We got a bunch of those Little Critter books from the library a while back and they were a hit. I keep telling myself I need to update those books with the ones were actually reading now...some day.

I'm looking at your book list above and you've read several of my favorite books this year..."Under the Banner of Heaven", "Snow Crash", "My Name is Red"...Any favorites? Also, I'm curious what your thoughts were on "Noah's Flood"?

Thanks for the comment.

Cheers,
d
Actually, I bought the Stand and Salem's Lot not too long ago while reading the Dark Tower. Several of the characters from those two books make extended appearances in DT and I knew both of those books have a good reputation so I decided I'd eventually read them. Aside from the Dark Tower, I haven't read any other King works - I've seen the Shining, and was absolutely terrified of clowns and sewer drains when I was a child from the movie It, but I'm personally not a big fan of horror.

If you've only read the first book, The Gunslinger, I would love to suggest either reading it again and continuing on to the third book, or just going straight to books two and three as they are two of the most interesting fiction books I've ever read. He has an interesting concept that isn't really fantasy at all, rather a blend of westerns and horror. If you've seen either Seven Samurai or The Magnificent Seven, the fifth book in the volume takes a spin on that same theme in an interesting book. And since you're familiar with many of his works, you'll understand some things a bit better as he incorporates various ideas and characters from his other works (for example, Don Callahan from 'Salem's Lot plays a very large role, as does Randall Flagg from a few of his other books).

Ah, well, I'm not sure why I'm trying to sell these books on you! I'm sure as it is you have quite the TBR pile and wouldn't even be able to get around to them for some time anyway.
More disturbing?!? Yikes!

One does indeed have to wonder about Cormac.
In any case, it was interesting to observe the seeds of his later works. The beginning sentence, for example, was long ;} And though it was well written, it was not as profoundly good as his more recent works.
Hiya Garp!

Just finished McCormac's "Child of God". Same happy-go-lucky tone as in his later works ;-]
Here's some info on Airplane's Flight Log. It may be on cd as an import???
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12423
Stan,
Where in North Carolina were you? (And why? although that's not any of my business.) You do know to get in touch with me if you come down I-95, don't you?????
Peggy
Garp83,

I'm honored that you selected my library for your interesting libraries. This community sets a very high standard in its discussions, and I hope the challenge and inspiration from LT contributors like you will drive improvement in my own reading and study.

My library on LT actually just went over 1000 this week. And so far I am just working the boxed up garage books. I know that is counter to your "meticulous handling and caring for books," but I have no more room on the shelves.

BTW, I sympathize with your managing 4 or 5 books at once. My brain get overloaded with one subject, and needs a break, I move to another subject for a while. Then back.

Anyway thanks, always enjoy your comments.
Hey Garp,

I did read the Lomask biographies of Burr and agree that they were quite good. Burr had lacked a good biography up to that time.

If you're looking for a history of WWI that doesn't deal so much with the battles, you may want to look at "The Great War and the Search for a Modern Order" by Ellis W. Hawley. I read it long ago but if memory serves me correctly, it might have the perspective you want. It did emphasis American history (and not so much European).

Take care,

- Noel
why not you?
its a strangely neglected period, your uni library should have the cambridge ancient histlry volume for this period. unfortunately the major historians of the period didnt survive.
it was a thread about greek history in the 4thC BC
BTW most of my emails to you are bouncing due to anti-spam protections
The Greek World 479-323BC Simon Hornblower in Routledge Hisotry of the Ancient World
Yeah I wasn't super into Ryan and Pitman's book; was hoping for more "history" and instead got the "history" of them discovering the site, hehe. Don't care for the title either ;-).... Interestingly enough though re: the Black Sea flood, Anthony posits a different Black Sea flood coming from THE OTHER DIRECTION, which I'd never heard of before at all. I can only imagine his info is based off Soviet archaeology that has recently become available, which would explain a few things. It's definitely an interesting connection, though for Anthony's scenario, the flood proper (no matter which way it came from) would have been way too early for the *PIE spread.

I have the Cunliffe book too, though I was just picking it apart by sections at bedtime, rather than reading it straight through :-)
Hi, Garp. Got my copy of "Persian Fire" at last! Thank you thank you thank you for recommending this book. It's perfect for my level of learning at this time.
Okay, you've convinced me to give it a day or two.

btw, dragged out "Child of God" last night and put it on top of Mt. TBR.
Yes, must consider carefully about what to do with the Loebs. (Funny how we Book-People are.) But honestly some of them are close to a hundred years old. I am really thinking they need a more stable environment.

"I don't think you're really that boring Peggy ...."

O.K. It's not like it's never happened before, but now I really know what it is to be damned by faint praise.
(And I do agree that Tid's fantasies are the best thing written on that thread yet!)
My name is Peggy
And, oh Stan, #2. I've read only Snow and My Name is Red of Pamuk, and *MNiR* is definitely my favorite. I hope you enjoy it too.
Oh Stan, I think the fly on the wall came through the screaming fit pretty well - I certainly didn't hit him with the book. I did scare the cat and dog though, so I can't do it again. Back to boring!
Peggy
I hope you enjoy Calasso if/when you get around to it. Another thing that strikes me as potentially having some appeal to you would be Walter Burkert's Greek Religion. One of the best syntheses of the subject around.
I haven't read it myself, but found enough interesting reviews that I gave it for a gift at Christmas. The recipient promptly read it back-to-front, with the chronology! I've been wondering if I should borrow it back, despite my ever-growing hold list at the library and the correspondence course I've been neglecting shockingly.
I'd be curious to know what you think of My Name is Red.
Somewhere I saw a message by you referencing Greek myth. If you haven't read Calasso's The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony, it might be worth your time. It's challenging and defies easy description, but gives dimensions of the myths unheard of by Hamilton or Bulfinch.
Yes, but will you say all these nice things if you end up hating the book! ;]
Congratulations, Garp me buddy. You've won a copy of NOW THE DRUM OF WAR.

dm your address and I'll try my darndest to get the book out to you on Monday. Tuesday at the latest.
Likewise, thanks for Interesting Libraty comment :) It should get more so once I catalogue what is in the UK...
Thanks for the Interesting Library addition.
LamSon
Hi,

LibraryThing contacted me and indicated you were one of the winners of the Early Reviewer Giveaway (for my novel, Dirty Little Angels). Please send me your e-mail address (mine is mail@christophertusa.com), and I'll send you a copy of the e-book.

Thanks for entering the giveaway,

Chris
Hi, thanks for the invite to the new history group. I have been away for a while, but will hopefully become a regular visitor again soon. I am going to just watch the group for awhile, until I reach the inevitable point where I feel that I MUST pitch in.
Stan, did you buy the Greek texts used at UMASS? I'd love to know what they are....ever the optimist, I'd probably tackle Greek more readily than bringing myself back to speed (and a rather slow speed it was) in Latin. And as I think about it, that's not really true. I do love that muscular old language!
(And as for books, I may have half entered here, but I'm not even sure of that. When it's a benign addiction - we don't have books stacked so high that we can't move freely in the house - relax and enjoy!)
Peggy
My dear Stan, surgery is never pleasant to contemplate. I very much hope that yours is "minor" (If it is your own, it is never minor), that you and your doctor do well, and that you quickly feel like reading and have with you exactly the books that you want to read.
Of your current list I've read only Snow Crash: what fun! I have yet to finish Anathem, but it gets better and better, and I sort of hate to have it end. I'm looking at your message from ginnyday...are you learning ancient Greek? I always think that I'll give it a try one day. I had the "baby" course of Koine Greek taught in seminaries when I was in high school and loved it. I wonder what text you're using, so I will go to gd's place to see if I can eavesdrop on that end of the conversation.
Anyhow, you're in my prayers whether you care to be or not. Oh! And quit saying that you're unworthy because you haven't bought huge piles of books. By the time you're my age, your library will be monumental.
Peggy
I was taught ancient Greek at school 1965-7 by my Latin master Wilfred Berridge. I took it up again at various times later, sometimes by myself, sometimes in a class and I've also done an Open University course. To learn ancient Greek by yourself (especially if you have not done Latin) would be a challenge for most people, I think. Good Luck!
Hello,

Thanks for your recommendation of The Honey and the Hemlock. I look forward to reading it. Also, I appreciate you adding me to your interesting libraries list, especially since I enjoy reading your posts.

Roberta
Hi Garp, thanks for your note and the kind words about Mudbound. I'll be reading at Odyssey this THursday, APril 16 at 7 pm. Hope to see you there!
Hi Garp, Thanks for noting my library. Like you, I have been an avid reader all my life. I still have the first book ever given to me. It is a prayer missle given to me on my first communion when I was about six. I have fallen away from religion but it is still my most valued posession. I have been a student of history all my life. I enjoy all your comments on the History group. I am slowly learning how to up-load my library. I'm new to computers. I just uploaded a new image of me in a corner of my library. I look forward to hearing from you. Carmelo
Thanks for adding me to your interesting libraries list. I enjoyed reading your reviews - you should write more though I know writing longer reviews takes a little time (at least they do for me).
Yes, I have read them both. I noted in your profile that you are presently reading Christian's _Maps of Time_; that's a great book! I assign it when I teach global history courses. I hope you are enjoying it.
Got Facing East from Indian Country, and it looks great. Thanks!
(This is fun.... I'm not usually here with other people that I "know.")
I won't pretend that S.E. N.C. is completely devoid of people who read, but they are few and far between. My friend who reads history wouldn't touch scifi; the one who reads scifi won't look at anything really hard; then there's the mystery-reader and the gentle women's fiction reader. Finding omnivors like me is rare and wonderful. The only bad thing about the place is that everything is so fascinating that I'm reading fewer books: not good. I expect it will pass though, and I hope to find a better balance. Meanwhile, it's a big world out there, and I'm thrilled to have it open to me through you guys.
I too am gratified that you think my library is interesting..... We have a number of attitudes in common (lending books, reading multiple books at the same time, love for Richard Powers, Faulkner, Lehane). I seem to read a lot more trash than you do, but I think it's good trash. I'm only now beginning to regain my ability to concentrate on concentration-worthy reading material following retirement after a really rough school year. Things are looking up!
At any rate, I'm enjoying your posts at 30,000 feet. I need to shut up and read some!
I look forward to hearing more from you.
Peggy
Hi. I saw you added me to your Interesting Libraries list. Above you say you've been getting to the Classics lately. I just finished Bulfinch's mythology a couple of weeks ago. There's a real wealth of material there, but I get the sense (and others have remarked) that it's a bit bowdlerized. Have you come across anything that's less filtered?

Regards,
Carnophile
:) Thank you for letting me know about the History group! It looks pretty cool!
Thank you! You have got me pegged exactly.

Elizabeth
I think I may have thought that too when it was recommended to me 30+ years ago. I have a love/hate relationship with Crichton. For some odd reason, I have read almost all his books.
Stan,
Since you like History so much, and you have read a few biographies of the US Presidents, perhaps you might join us in the US Presidents Challenge

http://www.librarything.com/groups/uspresidentschalleng

Cheli
I have started a new group for discussing the Big Picture in history. I have used some of your ideas in constructing the concept. I'm sure you will find it! Hope it'll be fun!
And another thing: I see you've entered Toland's Adolph Hitler. Impressions of the book?

Also, while I read (and liked) Into the Wild and Into Thin Air, I haven't read UtBoH. I'll have to give it a shot!
Well, I am just blown away by that. I don't think you said anything unacceptable. You were upset by being singled out and I think you called the insulter on it.

FM I think the reaction that followed was not very well thought out .OR. tolerant which is too bad as I suspect matters would have settled down and everybody could have gotten on to discussion history.

Oh well. Nothing like taking your ball and going home :o)
"this carmody guy is really annoying me!"

Same here. He seems to think football and extensive reading are somehow mutually exclusive. I probably knew more about football when I was in high school than he could begin to believe. Of course, that was probably several decades before he was born.
You flatter me, haha.
I saw you were part of a books-and-beer reading club. Now I'm jealous.
We anti-social lonely nerds must stick together. Right? I also am very protective of my vices.

Or perhaps I failed to see the point in basically telling a bunch of people who clearly love books and reading that their pastime automatically makes them socially inept. Especially since this is clearly a website dedicated to books. Hmmm...

I also can fully admit that I spend a great deal of time in libraries--between working at one, living in one, and studying in one I fear there's no hope for me.

Cheers!
Stan,
I hope that's an OK handle. I was just going to write you about that post. I hadn't noticed some of his others but this one was pretty obnoxious. I put some some thought into slipping the knife in real clean and cold. What a jerk.
Bill
Hey, thanks :-) I ran across the Robot Uprising book in a small bookshop and just knew I had to have it! I keep it next to my Zombie Survival Handbook, where it belongs :-) As for Ulysses and the Odyssey...it may sound ambitious reading them together, but I honestly would have no clue what is going on in Ulysses without it! So many references are lost if you don't have the corresponding Odyssey chapter fresh in your mind. I'm reading it in English, but I've got the ancient Greek one bookmarked on the Perseus Project. I speak modern Greek, which means I can plod my way through a fair bit of the ancient Greek, but need alot of help (it's like the difference between German and Dutch). I'm just using that one to get a feel for the original alliteration and verse structure. I have read (in English) both the Odyssey and the Iliad before (I got my BA in archaeology in Athens, so there was no escape :-) ) and love them both. Hector is one of my heroes (and, (this may be too much info), I've got the tattoo to prove it!).
No, I haven't read it. :( I started it some time ago, but for some reason or another set it aside, and haven't picked it up again. I'm hoping to start again though, soon, but I have to get through midterms first. *sigh*

I noticed you have the first book in the Abraham Lincoln biography, have you read it? I have the whole set, but haven't had time to start.
Haha, I've been asking myself the same question for like three years! :-D

It just never came up, really. But the longer I'm at university the more people I see with one (of course they are all playing World of Warcraft in the student lounge instead of typing papers... but who's counting haha).

As for what kind to get... I'm not really settled on that yet. At first I thought of just picking up one of those little notebook dealies that are small and light and only a few hundred bucks. Then I noticed I might be able to get something fairly decent for not too much more... and THEN I started thinking that maybe I should just go ahead and get something nice to replace my current computer, which I've had since at least 2005, but I think it was 2004. It was fairly nice back then and it's served me well, but I'm starting to get those problems that happen before it's about ready to shit itself: blue screen of death, trouble restarting, random crashes, etc. It's also getting a little buggy too, which bothers me... for instance, ever since I got high speed internet, I haven't been able to listen to music on this computer because it like... I don't know really how to describe it... sort of "skips" but not like it does when you have a scratch on your cd. Someone told me it was that I had too many programs running at once, but essentially if I'm not on the net I don't have much of a reason to be on the computer to begin with. Coincidentally, when I turn off my modem or whatever, the problem goes away... but I rarely do this because for some reason it's really finicky about turning back on again.

So yeah. I guess I could use a new computer altogether, and it may as well be something portable. Do people even buy desktops anymore? :-)
Aggggh. I'm so frustrated. I can't even find the picture, much less the name of the movie that my avatar came from. (I love it though. Some days just feel like that to me :)

And I have not completed 1491. I start it, and then find that I have to go off and follow his leads. Love that book.
Btw, I think it's interesting that so many people are bothered by the fact that the man and his son have no given names. (I didn't even notice until it was mentioned--lol)
That's a good point about the backpacks versus The Cart.

I suppose weight has something to do with it. You can push more than you can easily carry. But when the cart broke down, backpacks didn't seem to enter into the solution.

Myself, I keep going back to that one underground bunker that they found with supplies. I think I would have stayed until the goods were used up. He seemed more driven to keep moving.
Your mention of "the shopping cart" makes me laugh, Garp. The Road has definitely changed the way I look at the darn things, now and probably forever. An amazingly powerful book. Makes me appreciate clean air and sunlight.

btw, were you able to read BM straight through? I found I had to take breaks and read lighter material because the 'weight' of the evil-ness was suffocating.
Hey Garp, sorry to take so long getting back to chat about Cormac. The kids brought home some sort of crud and you know how it goes.

I've read the Border trilogy. Like you, I especially liked The Crossing. Besides them I read The Road (actually my least favorite) and BM (perhaps my second fave). The next on my list is an older book, "Child of God." I had started reading NCFOM but my husband snatched it away and I haven't returned to it and I am not quite sure.

I like your comparisons -- Hemingway, etc.-- but where I think Cormac deviates from the others is in his descriptions of place. I can't rightly think of an author who I think compares. He is sparse, but dense.

Thoughts?

Yes -- You have credibility with me! It's high up on the Pile, and I'm looking forward to reading it -- thanks!

{I remember a dumb but true thing I used to do as a 7 year old, which was whenever I wrote my return address on a letter, after my street and town, I would add "Solar System, Milky Way, Universe." The book looks to be in that spirit!}
It's in the same state as me, but I'm in suburban Victoria, not regional. It's been intense here, with temperatures hitting 46 degrees Celsius (I'm not sure what that is in Fahrenheit, sorry).

Australia has conflagrations, in fact, some Australian plants need bushfires for regeneration purposes!
Hey Garp-me-buddy!

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except with a beginning 'pointy bracket' which I couldn't put here and have the code show up

That's what's in my can't remember.. um, stuff file.

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and I didn't know you liked Cormac M. I love his writing. I even liked Blood Meridian. Don't understand it. But like it.
Hehe...I'm coming out on the side of "to each his own" :-D If somebody wants to party every night, sleep all day and never go to class... I suppose you could consider them great philanthropists, what with their multi-thousand dollar donations to the university system every year ;-)
Garp83

Many thanks for the blog info. At the risk of boring you utterly, I must say I really do agree with your comments.

Also when you mention:

"I remain puzzled by the 22% of Americans who retain support for George W. Bush and claim to miss him when he goes."

I am especially interested to know the answer but remain and have been baffled.

However, Bush was elected not only once but twice and on that point I will also never understand. On the otherhand maybe half the nation would prefer oligarchy after all.

On another issue, I see in your profile that you are in computers, as I was before retiring. May I ask you one simple question? If so maybe you could mail me at barlowhumphreys...at...yahoo....dot...com. (hopefully the bots won't pick up that address) Then I could mail you the simple question regarding memory and Windows7. If it is not ok, please don't worry, I will understand.

Thanks again for your insights on LT.

barlow
Haha awesome.

Yeah that's me in the picture...I'm not actually taking a dump though, it was just a good photo-op! Myself and a friend were outside of Gamla Uppsala, Sweden and found this old farm complex that I think was being "run" as sort of a half-assed museum (there was a turnstile gate, but no one there). Buildings with dirt floors, beds made only of wood and straw--you could see why moving to Minnesota looked like a viable alternative for these people, hehe. But in contrast, and I might add, in what must have been an unmistakable sign of wealth, stood amongst the buildings this exclusive, double-wide outhouse! Couldn't pass up the opportunity for a good picture ya know :-D

I used it for my profile pic here because believe it or not it's one of the few pictures of me reading anything (even though I'm just "reading" a brochure for Uppsala), and not to mention, it has a double-wide outhouse! It's win/win!
Yes, Guns,Germs was very thought-provoking.

Like Feicht below, I am fascinated by the process of dispersal around the globe, and by the persistence of cross-cultural contacts across great distances in pre-modern times, and by what was known when by peoples about other peoples.
I have read it, this time last year actually. Looking forward to another Harris book I have, Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches: The Riddles of Culture.
I though it was just me! I too shelve my history section beginning with our earliest predecessors. I start with Australipithicine and early hominid evolution books, and work my way up through paleoarcheologic technique, into the Homo genus, and then into earliest H.sapiens through the beginnings of human culture, and eventually winding up in the Neolithic and the ancient Near East. Great minds....?

BTW, I too really enjoyed Before the Dawn.

BTW2, I enjoyed seeing Arslan in your list above -- an interesting, under-appreciated book.
Yep, really enjoyed them... "Before the Dawn" especially so... I'm really into "pre-historic" history of humanity; not the geologic aspect as much, but rather the dispersal of homo sapiens across the globe after we became our own species, distinct from erectus or neanderthalensis, etc. Good stuff :-)
Happy New Year to you too, Stan.

I hope your year is filled with reading great books!

Stevie
I would just like to say thank you to whomever was my "SantaThing" -- I received the book -- "Fallen Founder" by Nancy Isenberg -- in the mail today. I am so psyched! What a great choice! I have long been fascinated by Burr and many years ago read the two-volume Burr biography by Milton Lomask. I believe this Isenberg book is the first full treatment by a professional historian. Anyway -- thanks "SantaThing" and if you read this please reveal yourself to me so we can chat further. Have a great holiday! -- Garp
Hey Stan,
Sorry about my 'quietness'. A couple of weeks ago I moved interstate and have not had much in the way of internet access, hopefully this problem is now resolved. Thank you for checking in, I will henceforth try to be more vocal.
It must be an old photo! You look happy in it, I must say. Being near my books does that to me too!
And I do love my books very much. But as to numbers, from the look of your photo, I've had longer to collect. I just hit 50. A young 50, though.
Hey Garp -- I am honored you added me to your "Interesting Libraries" list! We share an interest in and collection of history and biography -- my third and fifth largest tag categories. Also love ancient history, prehistory, etc, etc. See you around the watering hole!
I'm guessing you are pretty chuffed!
Hi - Thanks for adding my catalog to your "interesting libraries" list. I am surprised to see that I am near the top of your "members with your books" list. Doesn't happen often - something in the way LT weights for obscure titles leaves my MWYB list dominated by quilters instead of nonfiction readers. Unfortunately, most quilters are not readers - or, if they do read, they tend to stick to a category I'll call "quilt romance novels"!
That's unfortunate. I simply cannot wait to read the Iliad in Greek!

Languages are funny things. You evidently have a lot of self-discipline but find it hard to teach yourself a language. Me too. I had plans to teach myself the basics of Greek last summer and I got as far as the alphabet!

I have to do my MA and my PhD, so approximately 5-6 years left depending on other factors such as funding, placement etc. I am doing my MA in Aus (it was just too hard to try and get funding for a UK uni without having any published work, so my aim next year is to try and get something out there!

I think it is absolutely awesome that you love Classics and haven't actually been Classically educated! It's a discipline that is becoming more and more devalued and it is most upsetting. Then again, it makes me want to study it even more (rebellious type that I am).
That's a shame. Was it one of those accelerated courses where you learn everything in one year? I guess it would be hard to find a recreational ancient Greek course. I'm going to try and get a head start over the summer, but I, like you, struggle to teach myself a language. I hope you find another course!

May I ask, what sort of business do you have?
Winning, I think. I only have 4 weeks left until it's all over! Then I will be heading off to do my Masters and finally study Greek! How are you finding Greek?
Hi, you seem to be quite a scholar in ancient history, especially Greek history. Nice to meet you!

Ted
Thank you for your review of Persian Fire. This is on my TBR list, and your review has moved it further to the top!

You might want to try Victor Davis Hanson's Why the West has Won. As a classicist he's very good on the enduring impact of Greek culture on the military practice of the West. This article by VDH here

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-new-learning-that-failed-3833

might also stimulate your festering wound from the ancient Greek bite!

It's nice to know there are more classicists around.
Murr.
The compelling thing about the subject of Persian Fire -- or perhaps about all history -- is that we really do seem to be perpetually fighting slave-driven empires on the one hand, and our own immediate neighbors on the other. Perpetually, this Peloponnesian War, and so many triumphant heroes trundled off to exile. (Both Themistocles and Aristides?)

In our own day, I rankle still over the fact that Mao, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin died natural deaths. Who are we? As I sit here I feel way way past my prime, and what keens the "past" part, is that I have failed to give even the pettiest tyrant -- oh all of them are petty -- so much as a pause.

I'm hoping that Justice no longer cries out for blood and vengence. Forever ingenuous, I offer tea and bun. So great to share enthusiasm with a reader of history. It will always be Greek to me.
Really appreciated your review of Persian Fire: The First World Empire and the Battle for the West, by Tom Holland, which I've not read. I confess I credit the network of Aegean thalassocracies, including the Aeginetans who bore the brunt of the fight with fewer ships, with having won the battle of Salamis in the short-term, and sapping the Persian navy in the long-term. The Athenians did more than merely "win", they tied their survival to ideals of freedom and justice, which make us want to root for them even after their defeats.

Did Holland mention the other Myceneans? The significance in battles of differential numbers of slaves? What would civilization be like if Xerxes, or any Persian at any time, had defeated the Greeks? Hey, thanks for the intro to Holland.
Greek? I'm jealous! I've tried teaching myself Greek and succeeded only in learning the alphabet :(. I think Latin is probably easier, but then again I'm passionate about it! Catullus is a lot of fun, but I don't know whether someone should learn Latin just so they can read him in the original! In an ideal world, maybe.

Good luck with your studies, and keep me posted!
Awesome! I admire your self-commitment! That takes a lot of discipline. I'm not from the UK, I'm Australian, but I'm moving there at the end of the year to pursue a career in classics. *fingers crossed*

Read the Iliad like Alexander? Alexander disconcerts me in a similar way that Caesar does.

Keep in touch. Let me know if you stumble across any wonderful books you'd think I'd like!

Stevie
Hey Garp83,

Greek tragedy is something I've always struggled with. My problem is I have reservations about reading and analysing things in translation. And the fact that I haven't learnt Greek yet has put a stop on me really getting into them. Of course I've read quite a few over my undergrad, Aeschylus, Euripides, Sophocles... but being a huge fan of Latin and Roman culture, I find myself taken away from them very easily.

Conceptually I find the Greeks harder to engage with, but that may be because of my Greek deficiency! I do intend to go back and read them in the original once I've picked up the language!

I'm so chuffed that you're getting the Classical education you never had. I'm worried that it's going to fade away to nothing and that would be such a big loss. Classics is a wonderfully rich discipline. I'm more than a little bit in love with it. In fact, I'm currently doing 13 hour days at uni simply because I love it that much!

Anyway I hope to chat more!
Stevie
Troubadour has a better depth and a more friendly price structure IMHO.

I made it up there over Patriots' Day weekend: thanks for the tip! I'll be adding it to my "on the way to Boston" route.

(The sign outside advertises the selection as "Scholarly and Weird". That fits my family to a T.)
Hiya Garp!

My reading practices probably don't follow the norm on this sort of thing (referring to "1491" and Cahokia) but I'd be glad to tell you what I've covered thus far.

The first authors I read were Moorehead and Crook. These two guys were anthropologists from the early 1900s. In fact, in Moorehead's paper he begged his fellow scientists to save Cahokia because the powers-to-be in St. Louis wanted to tear the mounds down and use them for landfill --YIKES! [They are available for download from archive.org for free]

Next, I got caught up in reading "The LA Salle Expedition on the Mississippi River: A Lost Manuscript of Nicolas De LA Salle, 1682" which Mann referenced. The Expedition itself has little to do with Cahokia, but the introduction by William Foster was quite extensive and he wrote about the trade routes in the midwest, and more importantly pointed out examples of Cahokian traditions that still existed in 1600s.

Finally, one of our LTers has written an excellent article entitled "The Frontier in Pre-Columbian Illinois" which he was nice enough to tell me about. This paper shines a light on what we do know about Cahokia, and what influence they had on other Indian tribes.

I really haven't outlined any future reading on this topic yet. But it's definitely of interest to me. Cahokia, along with the 'Fort Ancients'. I'd never heard of them before, but Al mentions them in his 'The Frontier in Pre-Columbian Illinois'.

Cheers!
Pam
I talked to my Greek Historian colleague, and he recommends: J.K. Davies' Democracy and Classical Greece. He says that it's has a nice coverage of the time period but isn't all that dry. Hope this helps!

Amber
Hi,

Oh, this is just one of the many things I love about LT--I was looking at another member's profile and saw your comment about reading colonial American history, and since that's an interest of mine, I popped over to see your library--only to find that we share very few books on the subject. I haven't entered all my library yet, but have put in quite a few of the colonial history books--which means that you have lots of books I'm going to want to acquire and read!

Which is why I've added your library to my interesting libraries list . . .

Cheers,
Elizabeth
Hi Garp83,

It's sort of funny, but I began "1491" and got so intrigued by what he was writing about that I delved off into reading about Cahokia and La Salle, which led off into related themes. As soon as I'm done with the current round of reads, it will be next... again ;)
Thanks for the note. Yeah, that was my site, as is isidore-of-seville.com. I used to do my own content :)
Lol - I'm a Latinist, and also a literary person more than a historian, so Greek history is about as far from what I do as you can get in the field! I've send an email to my Greek historian colleague requesting book recommendations, so I'll get back to you if he comes up with something good. In particular, my interests are in late republican Roman lit; Cicero's letters are my current project. I'm working on how the Roman triumph is portrayed in literature, in particular in Cicero's letters, and I've also got an article started about how Livy uses the image of the triumph too. I'm also in love with Plautus (although he's not late republican), and the character of the clever slave, so I've got a project about that in the works as well. Next I think I'll try to do something with Pliny's letters, but I'm not exactly sure what yet - I have lots of interests I want to pursue there. As usualy, too many irons in the fire at once! It's hard for me to focus sometimes :)
You know, until you asked this, I didn't realize that I don't really have a good answer for what's a good general Greek history book (it's really not my specialty). I have heard of Sealey, but I don't know much about the book. Are you looking for a broad general history of Greece or something more specific?
aww, shucks. *blushes*
It's in my library catalog, if you want to look there, or, here's a link to it on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/100-Banned-Books-Censorship-Literature/dp/0816040591/ref=p...

Hope that helps!
I'm glad you got the email(s)! I highly recommend, if you're interested, that you take a look at 100 Banned Books - it has lots of info on the censorship history of each entry. I think now there's an updated version which has 20 more book added.

Amber
I tried sending the list to you this morning, but your email service it apparently blocking it. I'm not sure if you can take my email address (scaifea@kenyon.edu) off the block list or not - let me know if I can do something to fix it on my side
I'm using the list of books in [100 Banned Books]. It's a pretty good book, giving synopses of each book and a history of its censorship. However, it groups the books by banned category (banned on religious grounds, political grounds, sexual, and social grounds), and I prefer to read my way through lists chronologically, so I've made up my own ordering of the books on this list. If you're interested, I'll send you a copy of my version via email - just let me know.
Thanks for the tip on the follow-up books to Paine, which I just finished last night. I really enjoyed it and I think I share a lot of his general views on religion (although he did say that he thought reading Latin and Greek was a waste of time!). I read it as part of my 100 Most Banned Books reading list, and I'm certainly not surprised that it's on the list. Love your collection, by the way - we seem to have fairly similar tastes.
Garp83,
So now we are mutual interesting libraries. As you may have discovered I love to read history. I have read a lot of ancient history and now am 200 pages into the "Landmark Herodotus". My main attraction to that edition is the maps, I need maps when I read history. For the last three years I have been studying the Civil War. I just finished "Shiloh and the Western Campaign of 1862". It is an excellent book and I finished it in two days because I couldn't put it down. I also have an interest in Chinese history that goes back to college. I look forward to discussing old and new books and getting to know you.
wildbill (Bill Rucker)
Could you tell me how you imported the Book Collector info into LibraryThings? Or point me to the instructions? Thanks!
I signed out to check my SantaThing listing to see what happened, which was: you were late on sending the choice of Persian Fire for me, so Abby took another suggestion that was put in for me. As for The Case of Abraham Lincoln, that has nothing to do with anything; I just was happy to hear that somebody was enjoying it, since I gave it to my mother for Christmas without having read it myself...something that I don't usually do.

I've noted Persian Fire down, and I see that Tom Holland also wrote a book on the last years of the Roman Republic. I'll definitely have give him a try.

LydiaHD
Hello, Garp83:

Yes, indeed, I had been meaning to write you: thank you very much for choosing the Orhan Pamuk books! I read the first few pages of the memoir, and really liked it, and thought to myself: "It's going to be a long, long time before my Turkish is good enough to read this in the original." The books are next on my list to read.

I gave The Case of Abraham Lincoln to my mother for Christmas, and told her if was any good, I'd want to borrow it from her.

Thanks again -

LydiaHD
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