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A Series of Defeats by Barry Norman
The Ghost Writer by Philip Roth
Coming From Behind by Howard Jacobson
Ashenden by W. Somerset Maugham
Le Morte D' Arthur by Sir Thomas Malory
Knots by R. D. Laing
Nice Work by David Lodge
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Tagshumor (73), wit (57), satire (42), social satire (18), philosophy (17), farce (13), British history (10), psychology (8), history of science (6) — see all tags
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Favorite authorsDouglas Adams, Scott Adams, Malcolm Bradbury, Anthony Burgess, James Lee Burke, Len Deighton, Arthur Conan Doyle, Aldous Huxley, Howard Jacobson, Garrison Keillor, W. Somerset Maugham, Walter Mosley, Philip Roth, William Shakespeare, Tom Sharpe, Muriel Spark, Mark Twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Evelyn Waugh, Colin Wilson, P. G. Wodehouse (Shared favorites)
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Read this and weep!
In 2007 the National Education Association commissioned a survey titled "Reading at Risk" and learned that 57% of Americans had not read a single book in a year, and that the average American reads only five books a year!
So is it that those 57% of Americans (over 160,000,000 people!) simply don't want to read, or that they can't read? Does it even matter? Because as Mark Twain supposedly once said, "the man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them."
What makes that 57% statistic truly scary is the subsequent realization that many of the 43% of Americans that did manage to crack open a book in the last year only read a Dan Brown or Harry Potter novel ... or "If I Did It" by O.J. Simpson! :(
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My Secret Angst:
Alan Harper (having a nervous breakdown in a book store): "Life's too damn short. I’ll never have enough time to read all the great classics I've always wanted to read."
Charlie Harper (trying to placate his neurotic brother): "Well ... perhaps if you put a few books by the toilet and read one every couple of weeks you’ll be able knock a whole bunch off."
Alan Harper (sliding despairingly to the floor): "No, no, no ... don't you see? It's too late. There just aren't enough bowel movements left!"
- Classic scene from the American sitcom Two and a Half Men
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Books most recently read include:
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My Philosophy of Life:
Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream!
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem.
Life is real! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way;
But to act, that each to-morrow
Find us farther than to-day.
Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
Funeral marches to the grave.
In the world's broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
Be a hero in the strife!
Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant!
Let the dead Past bury its dead!
Act,--act in the living Present!
Heart within, and God o'erhead!
Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time;--
Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o'er life's solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labor and to wait.
- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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My Favorite Authors:
"One danger of British writing has always been, as Wilson himself has said, an over-easy companionableness. More recently, he has been a more dangerous and troubling companion for his readers, like all the best writers. The good writer is always a tricky host." - Malcolm Bradbury about Angus Wilson (two of my all-time favorite authors).
Since the few books I have bothered to catalogue on LT are just an arbitrary random selection of what I own and read (NOT necessarily the same thing!) I probably should state here who my favorite authors are, as much as I really hate the concept of compiling some kind of Rule42 "Hall of Fame" of English literature / pulp fiction.
My main reading interests lie in the area of humor, philosophy and political / psychological sociology (which might just be a fancy way of saying "the human condition"). Consequently, Kurt Vonnegut is one of my all-time favorite authors since he is a master of satire and the very sorry state of the human condition. As was Mark Twain before him, another of my venerated "hall-of-famers".
I have read, and own multiple copies (mostly signed leatherbound and first trade editions) of, everything Vonnegut has published and I am an avid collector of his works - mostly because he is eminently collectible. Unlike Vonnegut, first editions of Mark Twain are a little out of my price range, but back in 1996 I invested in The Oxford Mark Twain, which is a 29-volume series that reproduced facsimile copies of the first editions of each of the 29 works of Twain that were published during his own lifetime. This was probably one of the smartest purchases of reading material I have ever made, and I am now happily committed to similarly reading everything Mr. Clements wrote in the heavily illustrated format that it was originally published by the author.
One of the things that initially attracted me to this series (other than the wonderful facsimile reproductions of the original illustrations) was the fact that the introductions and afterwords in each of these volumes were written by a whole slew of my favorite authors - viz. Kurt Vonnegut, Malcolm Bradbury, E.L.Doctorow, Walter Mosley, Gore Vidal, Arthur Miller, Erica Jong and Ursula K. LeGuin, to name just a few of the 58 literary notables featured in this series paying their own homage to the father of modern American literature.
There are probably only a handful of other writers to whom I am committed to reading almost everything they penned. One is Douglas Adams (and because of his scant output, I unfortunately polished off his entire roster quite some time ago) and another is P.G. Wodehouse (and due to his extraordinarily prolific output, I fortunately still have quite a ways to go yet in order to similarly consume his whole canon). Anthony Burgess, Philip Roth, Evelyn Waugh, Walter Mosley and James Lee Burke would be five other authors whose work I avidly collect, read and periodically re-read.
Outside of the specific names listed under the "favorite authors" section above, some of the other writers that I most admire and enthusiastically read and collect are (in no particular order): Gore Vidal, Joseph Heller, John Irving, John Updike, John Steinbeck, Saul Bellow, Raymond Chandler, Donald Westlake, John MacDonald, John Mortimer, Umberto Eco, Ira Levin, Paul Theroux, Tom Wolfe, Angus Wilson, David Lodge, Kingsley Amis, William Golding, George Orwell, Graham Greene and John LeCarre. Of the older school, Oscar Wilde, Lewis Carroll, Edgar Allan Poe, Robert Louis Stevenson and Thomas Hardy have always been long-standing favorites of mine.
The criteria I used to determine whether one of my favorite authors was identified in the above list (rather than in the "favorite authors" section) was that I must own, have read - and here's the kicker, have thoroughly enjoyed! - the equivalent of at least 6 full-length works by an author, poet or playwright before I identify them in that latter section. In most cases I own way more than 6 works by all of the writers mentioned above (plus other writers that get no mention here) but in the case of those listed that don't make the "favorite authors" section I just haven't got around to reading enough of their works yet.
One of my "pet peeves" WRT the habits of other LT members is that I hate it when someone indiscriminately adds virtually every author they've come across into the "favorite authors" section of their profile, thereby making nonsense of the term "favorite" while also screwing up the LT "shared favorites" feature! In order to keep my own list of "favorite authors" suitably trim I realize that over time I will have to raise that threshold of 6; while also fully appreciating that my criterion will increasingly discriminate against authors with a relatively small canon of work (such as Douglas Adams or Jane Austen).
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Books I am currently reading include:
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My Reading Habits:
The guiding principle here is probably best expressed by a Franz Kafka quote: I think we ought to read only the kind of books that wound and stab us ... We need the books that affect us like a disaster, that grieve us deeply, like the death of someone we loved more than ourselves, like being banished into forests far from everyone, like a suicide. A book must be the axe for the frozen sea inside us.
Perhaps that is a little way melodramatic and typically Kafkaesque, but his plea that we should never allow ourselves to become far too comfortable and familiar in our choices of what we read is a very sagacious one. IMO someone that has read only 8 total works but by very different authors is much better read than someone that has consumed 80 titles by the same single genre author such as Agatha Christie - or P.G.Wodehouse to change the example to one of my own favorite restricted genre authors.
Consequently, in addition to being a completist WRT my own personal enthusiasms I also try and keep my reading material as broad as it is deep by regularly cycling in as many of the classics or you-really-should-read authors as I feel I can handle.
I usually have a dozen or more books "on the go" at all times. That way, if my engagement with one slackens, rather than simply abandoning it I can cycle to one of the other ones instead, and return back to the one I moved on from when I feel that I am in a more appropriate frame of mind to concentrate on it again.
The majority of books I read do not need to be cycled in this manner; they will be read within a few days at most (and their book covers are displayed in my list of most recently read books). The cycle list is for longer, dryer or more complex works, and books - such as classics - that I'm determined to complete even though a new Wodehouse, Tom Sharpe or David Sedaris title is beckoning to me like a siren (and their book covers remain displayed in my list of books currently in progress until finally completed).
I never give up on worthwhile books - they just stay in the recycle queue quite a long time. I rarely, if ever, buy a bad book and consequently don't read any. But if I did, I would drop it like a steaming turd ... because life's too damn short to waste on bad literature! One of the very few books that I own that I would consider to fall into this bad category is Jack Kerouac's 'On the Road'.
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My Approach to Personal Messaging (PM):
I don't know if others feel exactly as I do about this, but the way that LT only permits duplex conversations via PMs to be displayed in a simplex manner - viz. "my half there, their half here" - is somewhat annoying to me.
When I go to other people's profiles on LT and read the PMs (to them) which they have left posted up there, it always makes me feel like I'm prying on someone having a private conversation on the telephone - such that I can only hear their side of the conversation and I have to surmise what the person on the other end of the line said from their responses to it; except, in the case of LT PMs, it's really the opposite situation, where I can't actually hear (see) what they are saying, but only what others are saying to them. Anyway, that aspect of posted PMs makes me feel accordingly queasy - as if I was, in a like fashion, snooping on others.
Consequently, so others don't feel that way when reading the PMs from others posted to my profile, I usually take my own PM text (posted to someone else) and intersperse it back, correctly sequenced, into the PM responses I received from that person, and then re-post the combined result back on my own profile in order to reconstitute the conversation that actually occurred. Of course, if there is obvious private content in their messages to me (because they were posted "in the pink") then, for those communications, I don't do that.
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My Approach to Posting on the LT Message Board (MB):
What follows is a public service announcement for the humor-impaired. The 'Red Flag of Abuse' satire below was added out of frustration at having had some perfectly innocuous posts flagged on the LT 'Talk' MB (and also seeing equally innocuous posts by others similarly flagged). I do not condone the use of abuse on the LT or any other MB. OTOH, I will also not countenance the blatant intolerance or the deficient comprehension of others.
A Vexing Experience
In amongst the ancient vexillographical records that are held by the North American Vexillological Association (NAVA) located in Trenton, New Jersey, I have finally managed to track down the authentic original design of the flag of my home state - the State of Abuse. A replica of this authentic state flag now permanently flies above my condo. in this nation's capital.
I would hereby like to take this opportunity to thank all of my many fervently patriotic family and friends who have each gone to such great trouble turning out in all kinds of severe weather conditions in order to proudly wave the Red Flag of Abuse whenever they see one of Rule42's posts on the LT message board. Thank you all so very much for your exuberance and dedicated passion; your loyalty and tenacity are gratefully appreciated.
Pull these threads and watch me unravel ...
If I'm not at home on this profile page when you come a-calling on me then it's probably because I'm off on one of the following LTMB threads sowing my seeds on stony ground:
The World's Best Reading thread
The Best Mysteries of All Time thread
Spelling/Punctuation Horrors thread
Translating American English thread
Anglophiles thread
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Books I am about to read include:
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About my library "When a natural discourse paints a passion or an effect, one feels within oneself the truth of what one reads, which was there before, although one did not know it. Hence one is inclined to love him who makes us feel it, for he has not shown his own riches, but ours." - Blaise Pascal.
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What I Got and Not Got:
Only a small selection of my personal library (~10%) is catalogued here for right now. I have absolutely no idea how many books I own - I much prefer to be actually reading 'em rather than anally counting and cataloguing 'em. But based on the average number of books on a typical bookshelf, and multiplying that by the approximate number of bookshelves in all of my bookcases, it comes out at just shy of 1800. About 5% of these are leatherbound (Franklin Library or Easton Press) and about another 5% are softcover; the remainder - the vast majority - are hard bound.
In addition to those books, I also own tons of Computer Science text books (Yourdon, Tanenbaum, James Martin and Donald Knuth all bought their second homes on MY tab), dictionaries and encyclopaedias - none of which, like the majority of my main library, I intend to catalogue here right now. Nor do I intend to catalogue my coffee mugs, Hallmark greeting cards, Christmas ornaments, Rand McNally road maps and Eric Clapton CDs here, even if they all do have ISBNs. After all, one must draw a fine line between organizing the extent of one's personal library and being an anal-retentive moron!
Areas of my main library that have already been catalogued by other means (and so they almost certainly will never appear on LT) includes a shelf and a half of Harvard Classics (the Grolier edition - yes, you SHOULD be impressed!) plus 13 volumes of Black's Readers Service classic works. Ditto 29 volumes of the Oxford University Press Mark Twain (whatever was I thinking, it's not as if Shelley Fisher Fishkin ever bought anything of mine!).
I also own over 90 elegant editions in the Reader's Digest "World's Best Reading" series of classic literary titles; just over forty RD ImPress "The Best Mysteries of All Time" series of classic detective, crime and espionage titles; over fifty titles in the "The Collector's Wodehouse" series published by The Overlook Press in North America and Everyman's Library elsewhere (yes, yes, I'm Plum crazy); and the full set of 24 Black Dog and Leventhal Agatha Christie titles.
Then there are over 4 dozen of the 'Dilbert' comic-strip and written publications by Scott Adams that are not catalogued here. Finally, I certainly do not wish to admit openly on LibraryThing that I own anything written by Dan Brown so, of course, I won't be cataloguing either of those two books here either!
Phew, that should now significantly cut down the time I spend entering data on LT such that I can finally regain my personal life again. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket! Unfortunately, my personal life only seems to consist of buying books and building new bookcases ... why is that, I wonder?
Hmmm, I seem to own a few titles all to myself. Currently, it is 3 (out of however many I have catalogued to date). But it used to be quite a few more than that. I similarly used to share a number of titles with only one other person, but as LT membership has grown, I now no longer share any of my titles with just one other. And that, right there, is the story of my life ... every time I find a potential "soul mate" they up and disappear off into the sunset! In fact, quite often, there isn't even a sunset! :(
The books that are unique to me (at the time of writing this) are:
- A Series of Defeats by Barry Norman
- Russell's Logical Atomism edited by David Peers
- Rebellion and Riot: Popular disorder in England during the reign of Edward VI by Barrett L. Beer
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My Book Rating Philosophy:
I really only rate the books in my catalogue for my own convenience - mostly in order to remind me how much I might want to re-read that particular book rather than many of the others in my library that I have read. However, since you are now looking at my profile and reading this, and are thus somewhat likely to also take a subsequent peek at my catalogue, you might as well be fully appraised before doing so as to how I actually arrived at the star ratings that you will find assigned to some of my books once you start perusing them.
First off, because only a small fraction of my library (200 books or so) is catalogued here on LT, the titles that I have chosen to include here are all much better than average reads (fiction) or works of reference (non-fiction). That would probably make any title you find in my catalogue worth at least 3 stars, and most likely 4 stars or above, on most other readers' star rating system. So the bottom line is, if I have included a book in my LT catalogue then it is IMHO well worth a read whether or not I have taken the trouble to assign it a star rating here.
Furthermore, I have read many more of the books listed in my catalogue (but by no means ALL of them) than I have rated. In order to try and bring a modicum of objectivity to this blatantly subjective rating process, I have usually only bothered giving ratings to books that I have read (or re-read) in the last ten to twelve years or so (a.k.a. the maturity of my life :( ).
The reason for doing that is because even though I may well know I have read some book when I was much younger - and I still have some residual vague warm and fuzzy feelings about it having been a very good read at the time - nevertheless that really doesn't help me assign it an appropriate star rating NOW ... so I don't even attempt to do so. If my feelings about the book are that strong anyway, I will probably re-read it some time in the future, and so I will rate it here at that time (but don't hold your breath!).
There are also quite a few omnibus editions and collections of multiple stories in my catalogue that I may have dipped into over the years, yet I have still not read the whole book from cover to cover. Once again, until I have read the complete content of such a book (and recently enough to actually remember it clearly enough to be able to rate it!) I don't feel I should assign it a star rating just yet. For all I know, the portions of the book that I still haven't read yet may be truly abysmal ... it CAN happen!
So, with all those caveats out of the way, here is my star rating system:
* .......... way below average for MY tastes - to the point that I disliked it
** ........ very average for MY tastes
*** ...... IMO an enjoyable and satisfying read (for whatever reasons)
**** .... has some special qualities in addition to being enjoyable and satisfying
***** .. Not necessarily a "perfect read" but IMO the book did perfectly achieve what it set out to do (thus if someone else doesn't appreciate what it was trying to achieve they may very well rate it much lower)
Please note that under this perverse rating system of mine, I may actually "enjoy" reading a 3-star rated book more than a 5-star rated book. Because my rating system is about much more than simply how much the book entertained and distracted me at the time I read it. For instance, I read James Lee Burke or Arthur Conan Doyle mostly for distraction and enjoyment; OTOH I read Joseph Campbell or Immanuel Kant mostly for edification and self-improvement purposes; while I read Franz Kafka or William Golding with a goal of BOTH edification and entertainment. Consequently, I would rate a Kant or Campbell read based on almost completely different criteria than I would a JLB or ACD read.
These distinctions even apply to different works by the same author - thus I will rate a non-fiction title such as Blood, Tears and Folly by Len Deighton based on a completely different set of criteria than, say, The IPCRESS File or Berlin Game.
As stated up top, although I may own one or two 1- and 2-star rated books, I believe all of the books currently listed in my LT catalogue are rated 3 stars and above as per the rating system just defined.
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When I click the links on your very comprehensive WBR thread entry they will not work for me. Is it me? I suppose they take everyone else where they are supposed to go, don’t they?
Anyway, even without the links it is very, very useful. I am happily into “Three men in a boat, and also “The Gift of the Magi” at present and totally absorbed.
All because of you!!! I have also picked up “ The Best of James Herriot” once again, having enjoyed it years ago. You are right, it is just as fresh all over again.
Ruley! I have arrived!! Abby has told me I have hooked a “Early reviewers book” that will arrive within the next three years or so. I am so so so excited, I never won anything before. Will I like it?
posted by Novak at 12:01 pm (EST) on Aug 29, 2008
Pleasantville, we have a problem! Now, I have so much reading material available to me that I am spoilt for choice, so what happens next?
The sun comes out is what happens and there a so many moors to walk and so many rock climbs that are well worth a sunny day when my young and energetic climbing second can get time off work (yes, some of ‘em still have to go) that we just have to go for it.
So now I am just exhausted and very content. But everything else in the world has been put on hold.
Am going now to have a look at the WBR thread coz I see there are 6 new posts I have not seen yet. (While the cat’s away……..) I have checked out a lot of your RD listing and will be checking more on the UK listings tomorrow.
Bacson.
posted by Novak at 6:54 pm (EST) on Jul 4, 2008
Sorry about that! Just back from a trip and catching up on comments and there the yellow slip comes up to say I have a comment even a I am reading. Thats a first for me on LT. Are you still on line?
posted by Novak at 6:31 pm (EST) on Jul 4, 2008
Oh, and no hairs on the palms of the hands yet. I don't think that's a sign of madness anyway - at least, the voices in my head say it isn't.
posted by Booksloth at 7:56 am (EST) on Jul 1, 2008
And thanks you so much for noticing I'm now talking to myself ;-) (I get better answers that way). I come up with all these brilliant ideas for change and everyone ignores me; I start talking to myself and the whole world spots it. Yes, I'm losing it at last. It's not the first time I've done that either. What was really funny about that is that another person who spotted it was the person the message was intended for. She asked me to let her know if I got the information I wanted because she'd also be interested!
Re the whole two-tier conversations thing - I'm just sticking with split-screen but I think my tendency to write to myself proves one of two things - either, that the current system is confusing, or that I probably shouldn't be let loose on these things anyway. I suspect it's the latter!
Best wishes
Sloth
posted by Booksloth at 6:37 am (EST) on Jun 30, 2008
"That sounds exactly the same as Far From the Madding Crowd also released in the UK in 1999"
Dead right once again: Both dated © RD1999. End papers with maps of Wessex are the same in both books. FFTMC afterword dated Dec 1999. 399 pages.
TMOC: Afterword dated Jan 1999. 351 pages.
I would describe both books as Beige in colour, but not the same beige! ( Cate has just called TMOC light sage green with a black spine) FFTMC has a maroon spine.
I have just been photographing these and other books today, with and without flash, and I cannot get the colours anywhere near right.
Just posted CC as Captains Corageous 2 in my library so you can see difference.
posted by Novak at 12:17 pm (EST) on Jun 26, 2008
Just to bear out what you were telling me ref: re-released WBRs, there is an auction 140240774241 on eBay at present. The seller's other items are all WBRs and many seem to be re-released since 2001. The covers are all sorts of colours. Nothing like my copies.
Working on my WBR duplicate list. Have just got hold of The 39 Steps.
posted by Novak at 9:27 am (EST) on Jun 20, 2008
$11.22 per book. If it had been in UK I would have jumped at it! Less per book than a paperback and all in pristine condition. I think the buyer did very well. I love the way the seller sends them to google and they end up with the benefit of all YOUR research. Mind you, it is probably only you and the thread that got their interest in the first place, seller and buyer!
Better shot of “Jungle Books” in my library now. WBR shot has wrong colour (or was that how it was in US?) I was lucky to get it. It is the only one I have ever seen and is “as new”.
Later……
posted by Novak at 12:01 pm (EST) on May 28, 2008
That novak has a shot of "Sons and Lovers" in his library.
Back soon.
posted by Novak at 12:33 pm (EST) on May 22, 2008
The bookswap all seems like a good idea. I have just returned from a weekend walking on the moors so I will be back with more details when I awake refreshed. (I am knackered!) I'm glad I didn't wade across to Welsh Wales on the way!!!
Bacson
posted by Novak at 4:36 pm (EST) on May 18, 2008
Thanks to your help I have much back as it was and will be working on A-Z layout today. Cannot master that at present. If it ever happens again I will just run, throwing WBRs in every direction. I never "play about" with the library layout so I know it was nothing I did wrong. I assumed the layout I was using was a default, which suited me fine and I was used to it. Now, to get back and arrange in alphabetical order by title of work..........
posted by Novak at 7:08 am (EST) on May 14, 2008
It is a mystery. The only explanation I can come up with it that my library appears differently on your screen than it does on mine.
When viewed by me, not only is my library a mess but yours is also. The same parameters that apply on my library are apparent when viewing other libraries from my profile. Probably the same applies to all other LT profiles.
Put another way, it appears that you view my library through the same parameters set by you for your library in your profile.
After the last major shutdown my books were all scrambled and I have not been able to change anything in my library. I have spent a lot of time putting things right, only to find that the “spring” back the way they were.
It is a real shame because all the “brilliance” of LT has gone now.
posted by Novak at 7:31 am (EST) on May 13, 2008
My library is still messed up so badly I just can't be bothered with it anymore. It's all just impossible to sort out.
posted by Novak at 5:43 pm (EST) on May 12, 2008
So how many Les Barker CDs do you now own?
Firstly, thank you so much for not saying “So how many Les Barker CDs do you have? Ruley, I never heard of him, but if he is your dachshund man, then I am off to get some of him to give my friends on birthdays etc; coz they don’t know him either.
Thanks for your tips to remake my profile. Tried to thank you before but LT had a 24 hour outrage on.
Must go, my dog has just set her tail alight!
Backson
posted by Novak at 5:27 am (EST) on May 9, 2008
Hey FYI,I purchased a collection of RD Best Loved Books for Young Readers from the late 60's. There are 14 volumes total with 3-4 books in each one. This set is much more visually appealing than the individual books from the 80's. I bought them primarily for my eldest daughter but chances are I'll never let her touch them because she seems to ruin everything she gets her hands on!! She is only 8 so she may not be ready for most of them anyway. I've just added another 12 WBR to my collection as well. I'm gonna need another set bookshelves soon! Addictive isn't it?
posted by wishihadtime at 1:49 pm (EST) on May 6, 2008
posted by Booksloth at 7:37 am (EST) on May 3, 2008
Oh, also agree with you about these 'duplex' conversations. I usually solve the problem with a split-screen but I wish I didn't have to bother. Have you mentioned it on the 'site recommendations' group? If not, maybe I will.
posted by Booksloth at 9:30 am (EST) on May 2, 2008
Black Arrow now fixed for friends. I must have dreamed that I had done that weeks ago!
WBR thread is now making me cry with laughter. I must be sick :o)
You will be aware that I am not overly bright. I have now lost control (rhymed with knoll as there is no “e”) of my LT library. It was in alphabetical order, not now. It had star ratings, not anymore. It had comments, all gone. Nothing I can do returns me to where I once was.
What am I missing?
posted by Novak at 7:33 am (EST) on May 1, 2008
“fascination with Ray Stevens, Ivanhoe and Miss Mills”
So I said “Don’t look Heather, but it’s toooo late, he’s already throw aside the tin suit and………..”
So why did Ivenhoe have 500 pairs of reading glasses? (Ask Bobby Vee)
Did you make that duchshund poem up yourself? It is such a hit with my mates and no-one has ever heard the song you pretend to be remembering. It should be from someone like Mike Harding if it is anyone but I don’t remember it.
posted by Novak at 4:53 pm (EST) on Apr 24, 2008
How did you know about the dogs and the stairs? Oh! it is just too funny for words, I am afraid I have pinched it and emailed it to all the other defendants on my block.
posted by Novak at 12:40 pm (EST) on Apr 22, 2008
“doesn't Arlo also rhyme "motorcycle" with "pickle" in this song? ... “
He does on another track on the same album.
I don’t want a pickle
Just wanna ride on my motorcycle
An’ I don’t wanna die
Just wanna ride on my motorcye.
I am delighted to discover that ancient Americans get this CD out every Thanksgiving just to annoy their kids.
posted by Novak at 3:41 pm (EST) on Apr 18, 2008
You’re the man for this one, Alice’s Restaurant (Arlo Guthrie), not well known in UK. Known in USA as AR “massacree”. The CD was played at a party a few days ago and I was the only one who knew the song. Everyone enjoyed it and laughed in all the right places, till this word came up. I also had to explain that it was not a “senile dog” but a “seeing eye dog” and what that was (what we call a guide dog in UK as you know.) On the massacree I was stumped. It’s not even in my BIG dictionary which has most USA slang.
So I am asking you, Ruley, what does it mean?
posted by Novak at 3:51 pm (EST) on Apr 17, 2008
In message 130 You asked if I could help. Not on the month the books were issued. I get my wbr by calling ahead to used book stores. I drive a semi (which ought to give you some fodder) and since I can't get to stores easily, most owners will read me their inventory of WBR. I have picked up 12 books this way. So by telling me what they have I feel I have a good chance of stumbling on something rare.
I am counting Tanglewood as out there until something definitive comes up.
Amazon USA has a picture of The Phantom on RD WBR list. That is only evidence
of one being sold here.
I posted all my WBR on my page. If you have any questions about those books don't hesitate to ask.
Jeff
posted by jefbra at 3:50 pm (EST) on Apr 17, 2008
No, I had not even seen it before, loved it. So a Spillane in the top 100!!!
Nor does Caxton sell scrumpy!
Now! You worry me! You know who Tom Paxton is, you even recognise a very old Rock record by an obscure line. (mind, you did slip up with Hot Chocolate. WRT “White Fang” you brought into play “you sexy fang”. The TROGS [Reg Presley] “Wild Thang” would have suited much better, must try harder ;-)
1959 cover of The Boll Weevil Song.
When I was a Rock Star……………in another life, this song would get the floor packed. My band hated it because it’s only has two chords in it.
Some of us had to make a decision, Rock and Roll lifestyle or Uni-geek. You appear to have a firm foot in each camp, you must have worked very hard in the past. In fact, looking at the work you’ve put in on the WBR thread, whilst still listening to the inane comments in the background from Novak and the like, you still do.
When I was a folk singer…………….in yet another life, I’d say “Here’s a song that’s up- tight, out of sight and in a grove. That’s coz it was written by an American called Tampaxton.” No-one in UK knew of him then. Oh well! Those were the days.
"Don't teach your grandmother how to milk ducks."
Nice one! In a book about freedom-fighting in VN, one of the soldiers tells his argumentative son, “I didn’t plant you to harvest me” I think that covers it well.
Well, exactly how does quoting the lyrics of a famous rockabilly song help prove your point?
Well, Give EP his due. He only made one Blues hit and that was the one. He never even attempted another. I really rated all the SUN labels though. “Play House” ( The best Rock record ever) wasn’t released in UK. When we played it kids went crazy, we used to tell ‘em we wrote it ourselves.
Your mate sounds like a really daft bugger!
Ruley, I was talking about you!
posted by Novak at 3:05 pm (EST) on Apr 7, 2008
That silly egg comic makes me smile every year!
posted by wishihadtime at 3:30 pm (EST) on Apr 1, 2008
Excuse me sir, I'm terribly sorry, I couldn't help but notice that you must be feeling quite ill. Since I myself am inflicted with the same illness on occasion, I carry with me a variety of medicinal remedies. Could I interest you in one?
Next...I'm acutally asking for help this time.....the only thing I am able to update in my profile is the picture. Am I missing the "save" button? I write stuff then it goes away. To where I don't know. Just away. I'm quite sure after I post this it will work just fine!
I want to know what happens to "the"? "I went to hospital." "I had a stay in hospital." "Did you know Heather was in hospital after Paul had a row with her leg?"
posted by wishihadtime at 1:52 pm (EST) on Mar 28, 2008
So who purveys your homebrew over there? It’s a new one on me.
English: Suckers are mugs and retards, i.e. still at the breast, un-grown. But what on earth made the “teach your grandmother to suck eggs” come into being is beyond me.
[I have just tried to post this page to you and there is a LT outrage. On the “Back in 5 Mins” note is a picture of a pile of 8 books. #4 is “You Suck” (Christopher Moore)]
Another of my favourites is “willy-nilly”. Often used by otherwise intelligent persons.
Look at the USA use of the word “Mooch” which UK users would not even recognise, and V.V.
“Never mind” is the most ridiculous expression used by the Brits and to hear yanks begin a sentence with the word “why” when it is NOT a question is so funny. My dad did it all the time. “Why, you can’t call that music!” ( He was referring to a 78rpm vinyl by “a guitar picker from Oklahoma City, widda paira blue-jeans on.”) Probably before your time, Ruley.
Blues singers start every line with “well”
Well since my baby left me
Well I found a new place to dwell
Well it’s down at the end of lonely street……….
I think the best USA/UK divide is the word “Got”. Americans can sit up all night and still not know that “How many pints of milk do you have?” is not the same question as “How many pints of milk have you?”
Answer to former Q: Two per day.
Answer to latter Q: Ten.
Because the Americans invented them they are elevators.
Because the English invented the language they are lifts.
(Bill Bryson)
Bill does a wonderful job of explaining (but in a whole chapter) that if “She was there” and “I was there” and “He was there” then “You was there.” It is correct and cannot be challenged, but there it is,
This would have made an interesting LT thread on it’s own but my mate got in there early an’ called ’em all Nazis and frightened ’em all away.
posted by Novak at 5:57 pm (EST) on Mar 24, 2008
Will come back to the suckers later.
Just finished Pride and Prejudice. What a gem! The last time I went to school I was 14. Some smart ass teacher was trying to ram this down our throats, no way! No Jane Bloody Austin for us Anglo-Saxon artful dodgers. I bought all the “Mickey Spillane” series one at a time. This was real reading.
Well, here is 2008, P&P was on the shelf so it had to be read. That was the only reason I took it up. It had me laughing out loud, it is so clever, those bitches, that mother, the pantomime dame, (does Liz ever give her some stick, Yeah!) I know all these people, I see ‘em every day.
Now lets have another look into the past, what other reading did they try and put us off for ever………..
posted by Novak at 8:42 pm (EST) on Mar 23, 2008
Did ya get any eggs?
posted by Novak at 8:41 am (EST) on Mar 23, 2008
Cost poor ole Sir Paul a nice few bucks to get shot of her didn't it? He looks a "Hard dazed Knight" in the press this week.
posted by Novak at 4:27 pm (EST) on Mar 21, 2008
Somninscribilism eh? I hope this doesn’t mean you won’t be sharing your abundant lottery winnings with me as you promised in your recent post. Readers Digest will be really disappointed if I have to cancel once again.
posted by Novak at 1:18 pm (EST) on Mar 19, 2008
posted by wishihadtime at 3:04 pm (EST) on Mar 18, 2008
posted by wishihadtime at 3:44 pm (EST) on Mar 17, 2008
I must admit that in my first post, when I asked not to be knocked for my bad English, it was all because of you! I had read quite a few and thought man, I'm gonna get growled at for sure.
posted by wishihadtime at 10:43 am (EST) on Mar 17, 2008
My comment bold? Why?
posted by wishihadtime at 10:29 am (EST) on Mar 17, 2008
Nor is it Homer nods, but we that dream.
- Alexander Pope (courtesy of the invaluable Mr Bartlett)
posted by thorold at 5:00 am (EST) on Mar 17, 2008
posted by wishihadtime at 12:10 pm (EST) on Mar 13, 2008
I have never read “Free Fall” or “The Spire” but will be looking out for them on my travels. Have just been reading up about Westlake after reading your post, now I have to look out for his books too. One life is not enough, is it?
It’s OK for you to talk about our North of the Boarder friends as “Jocks”. In UK we have to be more careful. They form most of our government today and are intent on avenging Rob Roy & Co. We are suffering. They are good distillers though!
Just finished “Kim”. Loved it! There is a LT member, MichaelMenche, who wrote a review [21 May 2007] for it. I found it interesting and wondered what you would make of it. Have a look when you’re mooching and see what you think. What really made me smile about the RD edition though……………Mowgli on the front cover!!!! Kim rarely catches sight of an elephant and certainly never rides one as a passenger let alone the driver. Nice American touch there.
Mmmmmmmmm must get hold of “A passage to India” [the book, I mean]. I have a good shelf of WBRs waiting to be read now. It’s like being a junkie looking at a whole years stash.
More soon Matey!
posted by Novak at 7:03 am (EST) on Mar 8, 2008
Had to post today as it wont come round again for 4 years!
I’m giving up anyway, I will never top the “Cornish pastiche” line no matter how hard I try, makes me soooooooooooooo
Mad! Just seen there is a post from you, gone to read it.
posted by Novak at 11:08 am (EST) on Feb 29, 2008
It's good to see the old WBR board alive and well. I was going to choose "Crime and Punishment", but changed my mind.
I don't really want to say this, but you know, there is a charm about these books somehow. Like you, I have a full set of Charles Dickens, old and in nice condition, most of which I have really enjoyed reading. Yet I have enjoyed the WBR Dickens copies more. Makes no sense does it?
The Black Arrow, which I have not yet read, has a plain cover, no illustrations of any kind, no bold letters even to start a chapter, black and white, colourless, no afterword. It feels like a utility volume and I am not attracted to reading it at all. No charm working there in the least.
So what you are saying about buying multi copies of the same works is so true, but hard to explain.
I'm reading "Roughing it" (MT) after thumbing through it years ago. Imagine losing a whole $1M gold mine in 10 days. It's old fashionded but still good. Just finished "The Caine Mutiny", probably one of the best books I've ever read, really sorry when I got to the end. I like that.
Seem to have lost all the posts from my profile, I don't know how.
You have me searching the shelves for all my old James Harriotts, I could read them again anyday. So, what are you reading??
Very cold here.
posted by Novak at 8:49 pm (EST) on Feb 6, 2008
Sitting here reading my RD copy of “The Black Arrow” which arrived this day complete in the RD packaging.
See my post on lot whiskers LT profile for full story, that will make you smile.
posted by Novak at 8:23 am (EST) on Jan 19, 2008
I must catch up on your posts. “The turn of the screw”, I have only read “Daisy Millar” so HJ is new to me. With TTOTS I enjoyed the read but was disappointed with the ending. You know that feeling you get with Sci-Fi pbs where you are 90% through the gripping story and are able to see that it is not all going to be sorted out in the last remaining 10% of the book…..so, in the end there is a vast explosion! The End!
Even Charles Dickens, could not finish “Domby and Son” so he cheated and had a house collapse on the badies! It just wont do!
Thinking back over TTOTS though, what HJ did IMO was to give us a box of tools and say “Here is a template, write you own book.” Filling in the gaps he left, the book can be: funny, sad, erotic, macho, schoolgirly, porno, horror, religious, moralistic, you name it. Kind of one size fits all.
If that is what was intended, and I can’t see it any other way, it was a clever concept and it worked. Will find some more HJ and let you know how it hits me. I think EAP would have put in more detail and spoiled it.
You know, it has just occurred to me, that this book is probably where “Damian” made his entrance.
Bacson
posted by Novak at 11:48 am (EST) on Jan 17, 2008
Chuckled recently, in your “Frank Muir” (I think the quote was from Groucho Marx) it is suggested that Evelyn Waugh was George Eliot’s wife. J
If you are reading this, it means my first cut, paste, spell check on the new machine. You have made history, but then I guess you’re used to that.
posted by Novak at 9:32 am (EST) on Jan 6, 2008
Bear with me, I am running in a new laptop. Changed back to PC because I was finding the Apple-Mac strange, now I find I have forgotten Microsoft ways altogether. Really pleased with the new purchase except the new bells and whistles keep beating me to the punch.
Thanks for your comments on S&H costs in moving books over the pond. Have a couple of deals going on and will let you know how I fare. The last quote from Royal Mail to send over LORNA was £15! For the one book!
I have to echo your feelings on the modern popular fiction. I do try, Ben Brown has seen me half way through a couple of his, and then I find I don't really care where it is all heading and I give up. I guess the best thing about popular fiction is that it isn't popular for very long!
Have you read "The turn of the Screw" (The"" are in a different place on this new job)? Just finnished it and would like your comments. Missed the illustrations and was suprised how disapointed I was when there was no afterword. I have rather got used to them and enjoy them.
More comment on your post soon, at least I managed to get on line again by myself, things are looking up !!: )
posted by Novak at 7:24 pm (EST) on Jan 5, 2008
Thanks for your marvellous Xmas post with lots of info’. I see you had the sort of time I would have loved, good for you! well organised.
So! We have all made it through into 2008. I never expected to get this far, how about you? Will return with more regarding your post later. Have a chance locally of a copy of “The Black Arrow” so I’m off to chase it, let you know how I get on.
posted by Novak at 5:39 am (EST) on Jan 2, 2008
Just a smile for you, genuine! Seen on ebay today: The Adventures of Robin Hood for sale, bow in front cover!!!
posted by Novak at 12:48 pm (EST) on Dec 14, 2007
Just winding you up Cap’n. It is such a novelty to have you back in circulation again. Battered by gales here, in the warm reading ‘Lost Horizon’ for the first time. I love it.
posted by Novak at 4:49 pm (EST) on Dec 9, 2007
Friend I once knew was into stock car racing. Had a wreck with a very powerful engine and transmision. The stock car organisers maintained it and he was paid a good rate to attend and drive at every meeting. His job, however, was not to race. It was to disrupt and cause chaos. He hid among the hopeful racers, then flipped them and spun them. In short, he spiced up the meetings and entertained the crowd. Lets call him Denis the Menace.
Whatever LT is paying you it is not enough.
posted by Novak at 8:38 am (EST) on Nov 16, 2007
…….…generation of those “who” can actually read.
Mnnnnnn…….who wrote that then???? :-)
People who need people is the rule………42. And another thing, “Good pie, missed the chips.” No! It’s just not good enough. *Grin* Sorry to make such a meal of it.
I am afraid you will not succeed with your trump card either, because: The language is English. It was made in England. That is why it is called English. One of the authors you cite, although a literary genius and all round shining star who should have been English, was sadly, born elsewhere. Which explains the mistake in the title of his book. Furthermore, his rival does make exceedingly good cakes.
posted by Novak at 6:05 pm (EST) on Nov 11, 2007
posted by Novak at 6:06 pm (EST) on Nov 10, 2007
Tut! Tut! Rule 42, ……someone "who" is known…..
posted by Novak at 9:54 am (EST) on Nov 10, 2007
Yep! We must get to exchange some books. I would certainly like the two you have (got the Michener) but it will take time to acquire what you need. Laurwner Doon (You have obviously seen the French version that rhymes with Wane Rooney) I have in perfect condition with insert so maybe that is a start. I got hold of 3 good copies in anticipation of just this situation.
I probably have 10-12 duplicates now, from wheeling and dealing but I pass up most books because they’re not in perfect condition. I will get my duplicate list organised.
Now! it cannot be beyond our combined wit to find a way of transporting these bloody things across the water. Until recently I was importing air conditioning plant from USA that weighed tons. 25 books would not have been noticed. Mind you, the irony is that I didn’t have time to read then!
You are saying that you will be in UK sometime but do take into account that that was before LT put the red marks in your passport. The UK’s Polish airport officials may turn you back…………….with my books!!
Your Robinson Crusoe pun is really two week. Then I see that you have ripped into that poor chap on the RD/WBR thread all because he has just one of these 14 knights that is written in German. That is probably how the war started.
Your cinema memories are not the same as mine. Now you explain it, it all seems so logical. That person with the tray was known to us urchins as “The target”. I understood they were part of the entertainment. So, they were, in fact, selling things we could not afford? No wonder we never saw the same person twice. :-)
So WTFI Mollie Sugden?
posted by Novak at 9:11 am (EST) on Nov 10, 2007
Didn’t get the Wodehouse (LITTLE NUGGETS) so no rev you.
You could prove to be right on the staying-home-reading-books-saves-gas theory but I don’t understand what you say about Americans running their cars on large sea birds.
Fleetwood Mac had only one, albertry refers to three and albertribe is more. Even you cannot get your plurals mixed as badly as you do by accident. ☺ You have lost me on the wafers though.
Picked up TESS OF THE D’URBERVILLES, (Hardy) at the weekend, but still unable to collect 5-in-one-go like some folks do. ; ) Further, your understanding that Robinson Crusoe had seven Fridays is not correct. Did you read “Castaway” or see the film? If so, did you know what turned out to be in the box the castaway saved and eventually delivered to its correct address some years late?
Now then! About your being an American. You are right again, it is an assumption. I notice you are something of an Anglophile (you even know about Tommy Cooper and Basil & co) so you are free to be any nationality you wish from now on. To assume is foolish, it makes an ass(of)u(+)me. So who is going to sort out poor Joshua Slocome then?
posted by Novak at 2:25 pm (EST) on Oct 24, 2007
posted by Novak at 5:38 pm (EST) on Oct 18, 2007
Hey! That’s a good term you have there “Ass backwards”. Having a job thinking of anything in nature that isn’t. Bit like saying “Dark black”. :)
Bid on a Wodehouse today, I’ll send you a nasty revue if I don’t like it. When I was in Portugal (Jeeeeze! is that a difficult language? Harder even than Dutch.) The only sentence I could master was “It is all your fault.”
posted by Novak at 8:20 am (EST) on Oct 14, 2007
Do you ever read a book, love it but then years later when they make it into a film, you feel sad (perhaps even jealous) that, somehow, it is no longer yours? It is a strange sensation. Some time ago, on release, I read “Into the wild” (Jon Crakauer). It has just been announced as a major new film project (I don’t watch TV or most films) and I don’t want them to spoil it. Stupid! Isn’t it?
Your US ebay makes me jealous, 36 WBR titles at about $5 a copy. Why has one copy of “Robinson Crusoe” attracted 7 bids? Is it scarce?
RD are like some fly-by-night stockbrokers. I emailed back to the address on the May 2007 email, it’s just bounced back, no such address! WTF? How do they sell books??
“BTW, you do indeed get to choose which book you want, plus I also warranty that I'll never, ever send you the same book twice! However, it's not a $15 bimonthly fee ... Novak also got that wrong! It's a bisexual fee. If you're straight or gay it will only cost you $7.50. :)” (Felix wants to know if there is discount for those who haven’t made their minds up yet.)
“Before I can even fink fink about returning a frig frigging FOFO to to yo yo I have to first first find find out fo fo myself self what the f**k f**k a FOFO eff effing is. :( IF if yo yo ask me, yo yo been fond fondling yo yo frick fricking faux faux leather books too too foo foo king much!” (Reads like a job application to join THE WHO as lead singer)
Cate wants to know what I am laughing at!
“Only the books again, dearest!”
posted by Novak at 7:04 am (EST) on Oct 13, 2007
Now look! I am not going to go collecting red flags and I can see how you attract them and I will never catch up, BUT; the second half of FOFO stands for “find out”. It is hard to believe USA in general and you in particular don’t use it more. After all, you invented abbreviations. (Yes! How come that’s such a long word?)
Brad Pitt, on the surface of things seems a thinking person. Then he christens his baby
“Shylloe”. Now what would word botcher Spooner think about that! What’s she gonna be called at school?
posted by Novak at 6:30 am (EST) on Oct 11, 2007
Nice try with the Bishop but short of the mark. Now! YOU tell ME what an ornithologist is………….
I have not forgotten you have to return a FOFO to me for my comments.
posted by Novak at 6:42 pm (EST) on Oct 10, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 8:33 pm (EST) on Oct 10, 2007
posted by Novak at 1:11 pm (EST) on Oct 9, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 8:27 pm (EST) on Oct 10, 2007
NiW. 1987 (Aus only): Marcus Clarke – For The Term of His Natural Life
Copyright 1987 Reader's Digest Services Pty Ltd (Inc. in N.S.W.) Typesetting and reproduction by William Brooks & Company, Sydney. Printed and and bound by Everbest Printing Company Ltd, Hong Kong in 1987 for Reader's Digest Services Pty Ltd, 26-32 Waterloo Street, Surry Hills, New South Wales 2010
Illustrations by Doublas Albion, Afterword by W.N. Scott. The World's Best Reading, Reader's Digest - Sydney - Auckland
NiW. 1990 (Aus only): Steele Rudd – On Our Selection & Our New Selection
Copyright 1990 Reader's Digest (Australia) Pty Ltd (Inc. in NSW). Typesetting by The Captions Company, Sydney. Reproduction by Sinnott Bros Pty Ltd, Sydney. Printed and bound by The Griffin Press, Adelaide.
NiW. 1993 (Aus only): Frank Dalby Davison – Dusty & Man Shy
Copyright 1993 Reader's Digest (Australia) Pty. Ltd.
Copyright 1993 Reader's Digest (New Zealand) Limited
Edited and Produced by Oldstyle Publishing Services, Sydney. Designed by Lamond Art & Design, Sydney. Reproduction by Inter-Colour International Pty. Ltd. Sydney. Printed and bound by Dai Nippon Printing Company (HK) Ltd., Hong Kong, for Reader's Digest (Australia) Pty. Ltd., 26-32 Waterloo Street, Surry Hills, NSW 2010 and Reader's Digest (New Zealand) Ltd., 11 York Street, Parnell, Auckland 1.
Illustrations by Tony Pyrzakowski and Afterword by H.P. Heseltine
Hope that helps.
posted by lotofwhiskers at 10:11 pm (EST) on Sep 21, 2007
The problem comes because I don't spell the same as other people.
If you really are overwate :) My gran started walking 5 miles a day when she was 65. She is 93 now and we don't know where she is!
Bacson with more
posted by Novak at 7:05 am (EST) on Sep 16, 2007
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"Tried to get back quickly cos I can see your wasting away."
Yes, unfortunately my doctor has just told me that he thinks I might have a touch of the Tolstoys. Nothing too serious, mind, he thinks it's just a mild infection. But I would prefer that any discussion of this "problem" of mine remained right here between the two of us and went no further than this screen because, to tell the truth, I'm a bit embarrassed by it. The technical term for my little "condition" is anorexia karenina ... but that's just a fancy name for the fact that my continual reading of long turgid Russian novels is completely putting me off my food, and consequently I seem to be losing weight at an alarming rate and, as a consequence, becoming quite frail. But I would appreciate it if you would please keep this information to yourself. Thanks.
I just typed about an A4 sheet in here and went back to my profile to check something and upon returning it was all gone.
Aha, there was a time when a true blue Brit wouldn't be caught dead using anything but a full sheet of good ol' English foolscap. But I guess those days are now long since gone, eh? Now you, too, are reduced to using wimpy foreign sized paper like A4. Take it from me, pal, A4 is for pussies. No wonder Britain lost its empire! Just like you, one day in the early part of the twentieth century, Britain went over to other side of the globe to solve a quick international crisis, and when she returned home again her empire was all gone! Aha, just like that! *adopts his best Tommy Cooper voice*
"(in longhand cos I know you do it all the wrong way around!)"
Hey, I resemble that remark. We only get two thirds of our dates the wrong way round. Normally, we manage to get the year in the right place ... but, of course, I cannot speak for the date writing competence of all Yanks! :(
"It would have struck me if it had NO illlustrations and I was NOT struck."
So what the frick does that tell me? Maybe you ducked when the book lashed out at you? Or possibly it took a swing at your noggin when you weren't even looking? Maybe the book is too polite to strike you? Perhaps it was printed on wimpy A4 paper? FYI, I've been reading my copy of the WBR edition of Robinson Crusoe all evening and it hasn't once tried to strike me, yet it too is not illustrated. :( I don't really think that's a very good criterion for determining an accurate answer to my question, now, do you?
"HJ. started into "Comming from Behind" (GOK what you will make of that!)"
Just don't read it with your back to the door. And that pain in your buttocks ... "You've got mail!" (you have to imagine the AOL jingle). BTW, after spelling "coming" with two 'm's and "illustrations" with three 'l's I still don't believe you had the gall to make that postscript in your previous message! Now I'm confused why you let the Adventures of Robinhood go by without a comment. :(
"Shipping costs too much from USA so I am about to assault the Uk bookstores and collectors."
Why not get yourself a copy of PL and have it assault the bookstores and collectors for you? The copy you told me about sounded pretty aggressive ...
"Keep taking the tablets"
The last time I heard those words they were said to me by a white rabbit. You're not a rabbit, too, are you? You live in what used to be known as West Wales, so I'm guessing you might well be a Welsh rabbit. After all, all your messages to me are cheesy enough! :)
Rule45 (ppppssssssssssssssssss... ◄- that's a Welsh leak)
posted by Rule42 at 10:27 pm (EST) on Sep 15, 2007
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Hi Rule 42, Tried to get back quickly cos I can see your wasting away. I just typed about an A4 sheet in here and went back to my profile to check something and upon returning it was all gone. How can life be so unkind: I blame global warming!! Onwards: PL, Purchased Great Expectations and Sherlock Holmes that day so it was 08 December 2006 (in longhand cos I know you do it all the wrong way around!) It would have struck me if it had NO illlustrations and I was NOT struck. It was not in good condition and looked older than the other two. I must get this right cos it is going to turn up one day. I have all my feelers out for this book.
HJ. started into " Comming from Behind" (GOK what you will make of that!) He is so funny. Ros' in the dedication is his wife, she can curdle milk from 40 paces ( that is her own father says that, and I think it is a bit mild)
WBR, I have about 4/5 duplicates in that pic that I am hoping to swap. Shipping costs too much from USA so I am about to assault the Uk bookstores and collectors. Have never seen To Kill a Mockingbird" or "the Virginian" which are two of my must haves so I keep looking.
Keep taking the tablets,
posted by Novak at 4:20 pm (EST) on Sep 15, 2007
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Ps Your WBR list is ace! I love your *Aventures of Tom Huckleberry Finn*
Hey, that's not my doing ... I only passed that list along to you, remember. Please don't shoot the messenger. :(
That faux pas also wasn't on venture's original list either. All I can say is, whoever subsequently did that edit definitely knew how to keep his options open! :) I also reckon this might be a very scarce WBR title to track down ... harder to find than even Tanglewood Tales or Paradise Lost!
You still haven't told me when you saw PL. Also, was it illustrated?
Rule45½
posted by Rule42 at 3:08 pm (EST) on Sep 15, 2007
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Hi Rule 42, No.....no......your just too sharp. The pillow book was "A Tree grows in Brooklyn" (Betty Smith), finished today with regret. (five stars) and I cannot branch into a pun from that.
Am now checking out your WBR and Kipling threads and am beginning to see the wisdom in your alternate italic and normal typeface. I can't do that yet, this aint WORD is it? there's no icons!
Went into our local library recently and asked for "How to Commit Suicide" (Nolan) The reply?....." Sorry! The last reader hasn't returned it yet!"
Oh never mind.
Take care.
Ps Your WBR list is ace! I love your *Aventures of Tom Huckleberry Finn*
posted by Novak at 2:22 pm (EST) on Sep 15, 2007
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Captains Courageous, read it yet? Tell me honestly, if you read it without the cover, it could be Mark Twain.
It's on my "currently reading" list which means I started it (I'm about a quarter of the way through it) but put it aside because something else caught my attention - in this particular case, it was Kim. There's a conversation (meaning multiple posts) between thorold and myself lower down on my profile page that discusses Kipling in the very manner you just did, where I lumped Kipling in with RLS, Burns, Dylan Thomas, James Joyce and Mark Twain. Rather than repeat myself here I'll let you read that first. Hit "Control F" and type "Captains Courageous" to locate the last part of that conversation. You may have to hit "Next" once or twice too.
WRT your previous post ...
Wife's dining room table ... I guess that's why they are called Reader's Digest, huh?
Books collected together from all over the house, one even from under my pillow!
Let me guess, m'Lord ... that one was Dickens' Hard Times ... or perhaps Twain's Roughing It? No, wait a minute, my money goes on The Legend of Sleepy Hollow! :) How's your cricked neck coming along, BTW?
Also, m'Lord, you never told me which HJ you had recently started to re-read. Kalooki Nights arrived yesterday and I'm looking forward to reading it some time soon (that probably means it will be the other side of Christmas before I can even think of getting to it :( ).
Finally, I updated my post #35 with the information you gave me. I would appreciate you checking it out for accuracy. Take care.
Rule46 (see, my diet's beginning to work!)
posted by Rule42 at 5:49 pm (EST) on Sep 14, 2007
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Captains Courageous, read it yet? Tell me honestly, if you read it without the cover, it could be Mark Twain. I just love that kid being rude to the skipper, and the skipper laying him out. Would do an awful lot of people a lot of good. Wonderful read, sorry when the last page turned.
Regards
posted by Novak at 5:49 pm (EST) on Sep 14, 2007
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Hey Rule 42, Impressed huh? Stage managed, all of it. Wife's dining room table, Books collected together from all over the house, one even from under my pillow! First, and probably last, time they have all been together. Take shot, then get it all cleared up before she returns and sees what you get up to when shes out.
BTW that's the most I have seen in one photo.............unless anyone knows better..........
bacson
posted by Novak at 8:15 am (EST) on Sep 14, 2007
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Thanks for info, see my new image, all my own work (with your help, of course!)
Aha, you're going to need at least another 3 fancy dandy desks like that one afore ya done collecting all of the WBR books! :) FYI, the last time I looked at your profile page photo image it was something so small that I thought I had a dirty fingerprint on my monitor, and so I spent the next 5 minutes trying to clean my screen! :(
BTW, never mind answering that last question in my previous post, because I can see from your catalogue which ones you have. I noticed there are 40 books in your photo and only 37 in your catalogue (and not all those are WBR) ... so what gives, huh?
posted by Rule42 at 12:40 am (EST) on Sep 14, 2007
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If you deferentuate between "scarce" and "rare"........................Your a collector!!
Touché, Monsieur Ouroboros! :) But I was stressing the term "scarce" rather than "rare" to emphasize your own point that that book was merely hard to locate, whereas the term "rare" normally implies to the average person "hard to locate because there are very few good copies of them available (and consequently those copies are very valuable)."
To some extent all the WBR books are relatively scarce because they were only sold via subscription. They didn't exactly go flying off the shelves of Foyles or Barnes & Noble in vast quantities like Harry Potter or Dan Brown books. That's because most folks would feel as hesitant about almost ALL the titles in the WBR series in the same manner you feel about the Milton.
Having said that, and without trying to sound too Orwellian, although all the WBR books are scarce, some appear to be much scarcer than others! :) And the Milton would appear to be one of those. Understand also that I am applying that term from a US perspective. Over here, ALL of the UK variants of these books are scarce. However, in the UK, that Milton title may be no scarcer than any of the other UK WBR titles.
Can you remember when exactly it was that you saw the Milton? Also, how many of the other "UK only" issued titles (as listed in post #35) do you own?
posted by Rule42 at 12:05 am (EST) on Sep 14, 2007
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Ho Rule 42, Thanks for info, see my new image, all my own work (with your help, of course!)
If you deferentuate between "scarce" and "rare"........................Your a collector!!
posted by Novak at 7:53 am (EST) on Sep 13, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 11:33 pm (EST) on Sep 19, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 11:45 pm (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Really, have I missed buying a rare book? or is it just that we can't find it. I'd buy it if I saw it again but I don't think I'd enjoy reading it..........still yer never know.......
posted by Novak at 7:57 pm (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Paradise lost really does exist. Saw it in a shop with two other titles and I could not afford all three, It looked a bit boring so I left it. Does that mean there's 113 titles lurking out there?
Yes, yes, yes it most certainly does, and it also means I've just been vindicated (see note 1 to my post #35 on the WBR thread). Yippee. :)
Now I don't have to keep qualifying my running tally on that thread with a "not including the book safe" caveat any more. You don't happen to remember its RD copyright year, do you? *laughing to myself*.
Hey, here's a thought, can you remember what year you saw that book? If, say, you saw it in 2004, then it could not possibly be a 2005 or later issue. Stating as accurately as you can in that post when you examined that book would really help a lot. I have always secretly suspected that this title is the long lost WBR title with id. #114 from 2003 that is identified on that Wikipedia page as "Unknown Title". Yes, yes, this book is so aptly named ... it is truly "Paradise Lost"! :)
BTW you are the ONLY person I'm aware of that has seen the actual Paradise Lost book.
I'm not really a collector, I'm just a reader but one does get caught up.
Me too. I'm now actually more caught up with the process of solving the virtual jig-saw puzzle that this WBR series represents than even with the collecting of the books. About this time last year when I made my first post on that thread I owned less than 50 titles (in fact, I was pretty much where you are now) which I had mostly picked up in used book stores because these books (with their quality bindings and illustrations) usually stand out from the crowd on a shelf and just demand to be bought. After accumulating a number of the multiple titles by Twain, Dickens, Doyle, et al, I became curious as to just how many Twain or London or Kipling were available in the series, so I went online to see how many I could find of those authors I just mentioned. And that's when I stumbled onto that WBR thread with just the OP's post on it ... and the rest is history.
After searching around some I had to make a list of all the new titles I'd found. By the time I found the LT thread I owned 45 (give or take) but had located another 40 odd titles by watching eBay auctions, etc. Today I possess 80 titles, so I've almost doubled what I owned back then, but where the high water mark this time last year was 87, it's now up to 113 and I'm not that much friggin' nearer to completing the series. Talk about moving goal posts ...
posted by Rule42 at 6:29 pm (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Paradise lost really does exist. Saw it in a shop with two other titles and I could not afford all three, It looked a bit boring so I left it. Does that mean there's 113 titles lurking out there? I'm not really a collector, I'm just a reader but one does get caught up.
Your right about the Collins quote too.
posted by Novak at 1:28 pm (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Hmmm, that sounds something like Joan Collins might possibly have said. :)
I just purchased Jacobson's Kalooki Nights last week. It was an online purchase so I haven't even received it yet. It was interesting to learn from you that his wife is Australian (or at least she was when you met him!). That explains many of his "Aussie insights" in Redback. Until you told me that, I had always assumed he was just an "Aussiephile" who had incorporated his experience of an Australian vacation into that novel. The Manchester portions were dead on, but he's a Mancunian so I would expect that.
I was actually thinking about Tom Sharpe as I mentioned the inflatable doll in my last message (because of his Wilt novel) and also because of my reference to Bradbury. In my own mind, I always link MB, TS, HJ and David Lodge together because I read the last 3 authors for the first time in the same year in the early to mid 80s, and they all reminded me of MB (who I personally knew and first started reading back in 1975) because they each wrote really funny "campus novels" on a par with The History Man. TS wrote Porterhouse Blue, HJ wrote Coming from Behind, and DL wrote ... hmm, I can't remember which one it was now ... Small World I'm guessing?
Anyway, so now I shelve all of the books I own by these four authors together mostly because of that "British campus novel" aspect. BTW, I liked your friend's idea of a Tom Sharpe "chain read".
Rule47 (but I'm working hard on trying to shed that extra weight, honest ...)
posted by Rule42 at 11:26 am (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Hi Rule42, I'll put my money on Barnham. But who said recently? " When I was a little girl my gran used to take me to the circus to see the fat lady and the tattooed man..................Now they're everywhere!"
Picked up Jacobson to read all over again today.
Friend years ago gave all his contacts a Tom Sharp paperback at Xmas with a list in the front cover of who had which so we could read and swap. Worked well. we kept in touch and laughed for years.
Best wishes
Novak
posted by Novak at 5:12 am (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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"I believe I inflated you to rule 47 in one of my coms, sorry about that."
Hey, I don't care what you write about me on LT just as long as you spell my goddam name right! That's Rule1 of marketing and PR. :)
Wasn't it P.T. Barnum that originally said that? Wait, no, I believe it was really Will Rogers. No, no, my mistake, it was actually George M. Cohan.
Or was it Mae West that originally said it? Perhaps not - although she's frequently attributed with originating that statement, I read somewhere that she was actually only quoting W.C. Fields. Who, I have it on good authority, was in turn quoting Mark Twain ... or was it Oscar Wilde? Sheesh, I can't remember now. :(
Anyways, a little inflation is good for the soul. At least that's what my blow-up doll keeps telling me! :)
WRT Howard Jacobson, I think he's an excellent comic writer. I assume the novel the Wolverhampton wit was writing when you met him was Redback. Or maybe it was his Hardy satire Peeping Tom since Cornwall is pretty close to Dorset? I consider him the British Philip Roth ... the Mancunian William F. Buckley ... the poor man's Malcolm Bradbury! :)
"He was not very funny on the surface"
Well, still alcohol runs deep!
"I never dreamed he would sell books."
I didn't know he was a book seller ... I thought he just wrote them! Isn't it his publisher's job to sell the books?
You gotta like someone that is as intellectually original as Howard. How many other authors do you know that can feature synchronized swimmers as characters in their books?
posted by Rule42 at 2:21 am (EST) on Sep 12, 2007
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Hi Rule 42. I believe I inflated you to rule 47 in one of my coms, sorry about that. In full circle I see you have Howard Jacobson's work in your library. Spent a lot of time with the man and his huge Australian wife in Boscastle, Cornwall, UK, (King Athur country) while he wrote this novel. He was not very funny on the surface, I never dreamed he would sell books.
Regards Novak
posted by Novak at 7:15 pm (EST) on Sep 10, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 10:37 pm (EST) on Sep 19, 2007
I think you might be thinking of the novel Mike instead. That is the only novel I can think of that went through three separate distinct iterations, or if you prefer, had three different book manifestations ... viz. Mike in 1909 (originally 59 chapters long); then Enter Psmith in 1935 (a stand-alone reissue of chapters 30-59 of Mike); and finally as Mike at Wrykn (chapters 1-29) and Mike and Psmith (chapters 30-59), both in 1953. Even if those were essentially only re-titling / repackaging differences there still had to be corresponding changes made to chapter numbering and, correspondingly, the list of contents, etc. I've never read or seen a copy of any of those titles, but I find it very hard to believe that Plum could start a novel at chapter 30 without having to do some re-writing of what already existed to create an acceptably smooth introduction to the new independent version of the last part of the original Mike novel.
It is that novel (or those 2/3/4 novels) plus the two iterations of Love Among the Chickens that divide Plum aficionados as to exactly how many works are actually in the Wodehouse canon. I know I am significantly oversimplifying the situation here, but those two "efforts" alone can be counted as representing anything from 2 to 6 distinct works within his canon. Of course there are many other contentious issues that all go to compound the complexity of deciding what actually belongs in or out of the official Wodehouse canon.
Such as an independent publishing of his short story The Great Sermon Handicap; or the works which he co-authored with Herbert Westbrook; or works for which he bought the original copyright from another author in order to adapt them for his own purposes (e.g., The Butter and Egg Man by George Kaufman which became Barmy in Wonderland in the UK and Angel Cake in the USA); or works which he published psuedonymously such as The Luck Stone; or works which he had serialized in magazines that never made in into final book format such as A Man of Means; or works which were only first published posthumously such as his unfinished novel Sunset at Blandings as well as a number of popular collections of his works that were never published while he was still alive (e.g., Uncollected Wodehouse); or his three non-fictional works that we've already touched upon that are significantly different in their UK and USA editions and titles; and on and on. :(
"Update: The original UK edition of 1906 was published in the US in 1911 (by a literary agent who cannily copyrighted it in his own name, so that Wodehouse ended up paying him off to get the rights back)."
According to the Wodehouse bibliography I use (which I originally downloaded into Word from the web, and which I add my own annotations to as I discover and reconcile this kind of new information), the American edition of LATC was first published in 1909 by Circle Publishing Co.. I have absolutely no idea which date is correct, or even if that is the publisher that McCrum mentions in his introduction. I'm just throwing that out there FYI. However, if McCrum discussed the history of LATC in some detail in his introduction, then I personally would defer to his information on that one.
"The Gutenberg text is indeed the 1921 revised edition."
I had assumed so mostly because I didn't remember it being written in two different voices.
posted by Rule42 at 7:19 pm (EST) on Jul 11, 2007
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"One of my lasting regrets is that I didn't take the opportunity to steal The Pothunters and The Gold Bat from the school library."
Of course, what you really meant to say was: "... didn't take the opportunity to check The Pothunters and The Gold Bat out of the school library and then accidentally forget to return them"! No one can condone theft, but we all sometimes suffer from lapses of memory, particularly as we get older! :)
posted by Rule42 at 4:12 pm (EST) on Jul 11, 2007
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Update: my Penguin edition of Love among the Chickens has an introduction by the ubiquitous McCrum, which summarises the history. The original UK edition of 1906 was published in the US in 1911 (by a literary agent who cannily copyrighted it in his own name, so that Wodehouse ended up paying him off to get the rights back). The Gutenberg text is indeed the 1921 revised edition. According to McCrum the main changes were general updating of references and putting the whole thing in the first person (apparently the 1st edition switches between 1st and 3rd, like The Little Nugget), and taking out the original "happy ending" where Garnet marries Phyllis.
posted by thorold at 3:53 pm (EST) on Jul 10, 2007
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A while back, I read a Project Gutenberg online version of Love Among the Chickens and that, so far, is probably the worst PGW I've read. Plum wrote it in 1906 but reworked it significantly to republish it again in 1921. I'm pretty certain it was the 1921 version that I read but I might be wrong.
Can't remember exactly, but I think there was yet another version of Love Among the Chickens in between 1906 and 1921. I'll look it up. I agree that it counts as "competent" rather than "Wodehouse". There are a couple of good jokes, but that's about it. Much the same goes for Not George Washington, which I have in a modern reprint. Both mainly interesting because of what they reveal about PGW's early life.
One of my lasting regrets is that I didn't take the opportunity to steal The Pothunters and The Gold Bat from the school library. I don't suppose they were first editions, but they must have been fairly early ones. I don't suppose reading them would take you more than a tiny fraction of the time it takes to read Vanity Fair and Tristram Shandy, but I wouldn't class any of Wodehouse's school stories as worth missing Sterne for!
posted by thorold at 9:49 am (EST) on Jul 10, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 6:25 pm (EST) on Jul 19, 2007
Those two would have been about the only two other Thackeray titles I might have been able to name, but even if I did remember them, I would probably have attributed them to Anthony Trollope instead! :(
Remember the movie? You betcha ... it's probably my all-time favorite Stanley Kubrick movie (and he's my favorite film director!). I remember reading somewhere that Martin Scorsese considers it his favorite Kubrick film and I have to agree with him. Even now, I can still visualize the highly original "natural" lighting Kubrick used throughout the movie, plus he also utilized many of my favorite baroque pieces for the soundtrack - not to mention the music of the Chieftains! I think Ryan O'Neal was perfect for the role he played; and any movie which features Reginald Perrin in it can't possibly be bad, IMO! :)
I've always been disappointed that most people regard BL as Kubrick's worst movie ... that just convinces me that most people are idiots. It's funny (ironic) but perhaps my second favorite film director is Ridley Scott, and a couple of years after I saw BL I saw my first Ridley Scott movie, The Duellists, which immediately reminded me of BL. That movie, too, has really beautiful cinematography. Now, if only Roman Polanski had also made a movie about duelling! To return back to BL, the novel, it was always my understanding that it is considered to be one of the first novels, if not actually THE first novel, in the English language to feature an anti-hero - which I assume is what you meant by "Flashmanesque". Today, we accept novels that feature anti-heros almost as the norm, so much so that is hard to fully appreciate from our modern perspective how innovative that novel may have really been at the time Thackeray wrote it.
I also thought that Thackeray rewrote the BL story to a certain extent for its publication as a novel. Wasn't it first serialized in a magazine? In which case, we are right back into the same territory we were discussing WRT Plum modifying his short stories and novels between when they were first published in a magazine and when they were finally published as a book - or alternatively, his utilizing the time delay between a title being first published in the UK and then subsequently being published in the USA, and vice versa - in order to tweak them further such as to rewrite the voice in which they were narrated, or to add/delete a romantic connection into/from the storyline (as per Love Among the Chickens).
"... and Memoirs of C.J. Yellowplush"
That particular title was completely off of my radar, but I'll now go and research it. Interesting enough, I am currently reading a biography of Marshall McLuhan who was a voracious reader of the classics when he was a teenager in college (in fact, he was a voracious reader throughout his whole life, but my point is that he started early). As an undergraduate, he was fully immersed in the works of Samuel Johnson and the subsequent biographies of him, and commentaries on his work, by the likes of Macaulay, Boswell and Carlyle.
Of course, he also indulged himself in Thackeray and was quite enthralled with his lectures on Charity and Humor. It's when I come across implicit recommendations like that in the stuff I'm currently reading that causes me to spontaneously pull something off my shelves and immediately indulge my own curiosity further, or to at least move the referenced title onto my "to read some time soon" list. Of course, that assumes I already own it. If I don't, such references will usually cause me to get on eBay or AbeBooks and start searching instead. So now I'm intrigued about Thackeray's lectures on Charity and Humor. Do you have any advice to offer?
"The other great thing about Thackeray, of course, is that he was trained as an illustrator before he became a writer, so you get all these entertaining little sketches in the text."
Yes, indeedy. Thackeray appears to have added his own carbonated "Phiz" to his own "Boz"! (Insert groan here.) And there I was thinking that it was James Thurber that was the first author to illustrate his own works! :( What's that? William who? William Blake? I guess I need to go check him out too!
"The Oxford Dickens is nice"
Yes it is. Heron Books also produced a pretty nice complete (36+ volumes) illustrated edition of Dickens. I passed over the Oxford Dickens in order to plump for the Oxford Mark Twain instead, and so far, I don't regret having done that. Although he was born only two dozen or so years after Dickens he is a much more modern and pertinent writer (not to mention much funnier), and he was still writing during the first decade of the 20th century right up until he died (40 years after Dickens). It's amazing what a difference 20-30 years and a different continent makes!
posted by Rule42 at 4:12 pm (EST) on Jul 11, 2007
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I have a Franklin Library leatherbound copy of Vanity Fair which I only recently purchased so I haven't read it yet, but that's all the Thackeray I own (and although I clearly have an intent to read it, right now it's pretty low down on my "to read" list; I bought it mostly because it's a really beautiful edition and is illustrated by Thackeray himself). (snip) I wasn't even aware Thackaray's total output ran to that many volumes.
There are only six or seven full-scale novels (2 vols each), the rest is short fiction, essays and journalism. I dip in from time to time, but have never had the mad urge to read the lot in one go. VF is definitely the best of the novels. Henry Esmond is an interesting historical novel, the rest are essentially more of the same recipe. Some of the short stuff is more interesting, especially Barry Lyndon - a Flashmanesque send-up of the 18th-century novel, you might remember the film - and Memoirs of C.J. Yellowplush -- spoof autobiography told in the voice of a superbly pompous footman. The other great thing about Thackeray, of course, is that he was trained as an illustrator before he became a writer, so you get all these entertaining little sketches in the text.
I remember about a decade ago I came this close to purchasing a complete set of the "Oxford Illustrated Dickens" (issued in the USA by the Oxford University Press during the late 80s, I believe) but changed my mind at the last minute because I really couldn't see myself ploughing through Dickens' more obscure works.
The Oxford Dickens is nice - I've got Pickwick Papers in that (or a similar) series, well worth having. But I think the same applies as to Thackeray (even though there is more variety in the style and subject-matter of Dickens's novels) -- complete works of Great Victorians give you a lot of very ephemeral writing that isn't likely to be interesting to anyone not currently writing a PhD thesis on whoever it is.
posted by thorold at 9:49 am (EST) on Jul 10, 2007
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"... my mouldering 26-volume Thackeray ..."
26 volumes ??? Really ??? Sheesh, I have a Franklin Library leatherbound copy of Vanity Fair which I only recently purchased so I haven't read it yet, but that's all the Thackeray I own (and although I clearly have an intent to read it, right now it's pretty low down on my "to read" list; I bought it mostly because it's a really beautiful edition and is illustrated by Thackeray himself). Do you see me getting hooked? I mean hooked to the point that we're both hooked on Plum, with my wanting to track down and read all the other 25 volumes of his works. I wasn't even aware Thackaray's total output ran to that many volumes.
The other week I was looking at a used 2-dozen plus volumes leatherbound edition of the works of Robert Louis Stevenson (probably WW1 era) and all I could think was, despite how much I like RLS, if I bought it I would probably never read 70% of it. I remember about a decade ago I came this close to purchasing a complete set of the "Oxford Illustrated Dickens" (issued in the USA by the Oxford University Press during the late 80s, I believe) but changed my mind at the last minute because I really couldn't see myself ploughing through Dickens' more obscure works. I can see myself possibly ignoring Wodehouse's school novels and some other stuff he wrote before 1909 for similar reasons. I don't want to spend my time reading second rate anything if it means I miss out reading first rate something elsewhere. For instance, reading The Pothunters might mean I never finally get around to reading, say, Tristan Shandy or Vanity Fair.
A while back, I read a Project Gutenberg online version of Love Among the Chickens and that, so far, is probably the worst PGW I've read. Plum wrote it in 1906 but reworked it significantly to republish it again in 1921. I'm pretty certain it was the 1921 version that I read but I might be wrong. If it was, I'm certainly not going to knock myself out to go read the original 1906 version. That's one title that I would take a "been there, done that" attitude to; while, in contrast, I have found that I've already read some of my Overlook novels more than once, and I could quite easily see myself rereading those yet again. That even goes for The Little Nugget which is another of his weaker offerings (as you yourself pointed out in your review of it).
posted by Rule42 at 12:54 am (EST) on Jul 9, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 6:18 pm (EST) on Jul 19, 2007
Don't knock it -- that's exactly how I started with PGW. As a small child I was perpetually ill and perpetually running out of books, as I think I've described before, until my father had the bright idea of supplying me with PGW from his school library. The drawback being that the supply was essentially unlimited, so there wasn't much incentive to get better and go back to school!
posted by thorold at 5:27 pm (EST) on Jul 11, 2007
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"Secondhand Wodehouse has always been at a bit of a premium ..."
That was my point; considering how many of his books are in circulation I find that fact non-intuitive.
"... and it's difficult to compare exactly, since so much depends on condition and the dustjacket is often worth more than the book."
That's true of any expensive collectible book. The more expensive the item, the higher the percentage the DJ seems to be worth. A first edition book that is worth $1000 with the original DJ, might only be worth $300-$400 without a DJ.
"I'd guess that prices for first editions of even the less obscure Wodehouse titles have doubled in the last six or seven years."
You've just confirmed what I suspected. That probably means that Wodehouse (if you owned the right titles in the appropriate condition) has been a better investment that real estate over the last five years or more!
"Most British secondhand bookshops are likely to have a few PGW titles in stock, even if they are rarely the ones you want..."
And that was also my point. That's what I would expect to be the situation over here, too. However, in my own personal experience, it's not the case. It appears that people either hang onto their HC Wodehouse here, or pass it on to family and friends; or if they do trade it in, other readers have always managed to grab it before I ever got a chance to see it. Of course, I'm only a sample of one, and my experience may not be typical. Additionally, I've only been keeping an eye out for Wodehouse during the last seven years or so, anyway. I can understand his pre-WW2 HC titles being quite rare, but I have never seen any of his post-WW2 titles either! He appears to be an author that readers, once they've acquired his HC books, tend to hang on to them rather than recycle them.
Either that, or they read his books to destruction instead. Since, by his own admission, Wodehouse is mostly read by people that are incarcerated, or laid up in bed sick, that may well be the case! For instance, do any of your own Wodehouse HC copies contain any Lucozade or chicken noodle soup stains by any chance? Do they possibly smell of camphor oil or Vick's Vapor Rub, or did they come with very worn nail files and/or rather heavily used Kleenex inserted between the pages (supposedly as place markers)? Just testing my theory here. :)
posted by Rule42 at 4:12 pm (EST) on Jul 11, 2007
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Secondhand Wodehouse has always been at a bit of a premium, and it's difficult to compare exactly, since so much depends on condition and the dustjacket is often worth more than the book. But I'd guess that prices for first editions of even the less obscure Wodehouse titles have doubled in the last six or seven years. I suppose secondhand availability depends on the number of people who own a given book in the catchment area of the bookseller. Maybe Wodehouse sales per square kilometer or per head of population were lower in the US than the UK, even if the US was still his biggest single market. Until the fifties, most of his income probably came from US magazine sales, which wouldn't necessarily have led people to buy books. Most British secondhand bookshops are likely to have a few PGW titles in stock, even if they are rarely the ones you want...
posted by thorold at 9:49 am (EST) on Jul 10, 2007
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"... I'm not likely to replace any of my tatty "reading copies" by first editions any time soon."
Have the titles you own gone up considerably in price since you bought them 20-30 years ago? Before I discovered the Overlook Press releases I saw very few HC editions of his books in used book stores over here, and if I did stumble across one it would most likely be in very tatty condition and quite expensive - far too expensive relative to how tatty it was, IMO. PGW was every bit as popular in the USA as in the UK, and given the relative population sizes and American disposable incomes, I would strongly suspect that he sold more copies of his works on this side of the Atlantic than he did on that side (I'm hedging that statement simply because I have never seen any hard numbers to back it up). So given how prolific his output was taken together with how well he sold, I was always quite surprised how rarely I came across HC copies of his books in used book stores. You'd have thought that the "W" and "humor" sections would have been relatively overflowing with recycled copies of his books, yet they were scarcer than a pork chop in a synagogue! I have never understood why that was the case.
posted by Rule42 at 12:54 am (EST) on Jul 9, 2007
posted by Rule42 at 4:40 pm (EST) on Jul 19, 2007
That had been my original theory, too, but it's easily falsified (thank you, Sir Karl Popper) by the fact that on that basis the following two other collections of short stories (at a minimum) from the period 1936 - 1940 would also not have be published here (which they already have):
- Young Men in Spats, 1936 ... UK edition: 11 stories; US edition: 12 stories
- Lord Emsworth and Others, 1937 ... UK edition: 9 stories; US edition (retitled: A Crime Wave at Blandings): 7 stories
Hence, I don't believe that the fact that there are major differences between the contents of the UK and US initial editions of EB&C is the reason for Overlook Press not publishing it here.
"My copy of Eggs, Beans and Crumpets seems to be fine - there are another six lines on page 60 after "...quivered