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Favorite authorsJoel Barlow, P. J. G. Cabanis, Antoine Louis Claude Destutt de Tracy Comte, Abraham Lincoln, J. B. Say, Volney, Constantine-Francois Volney, M. Volney, M. C-F. Volney (Shared favorites)
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About me"Empires Rise if Government Allows Enlightened Self-Interest to Flourish"---Volney, Ruins of Empires, 1791
I moved from Texas to France about 20 years ago. Got married, got a job, got kids. Long about 1996, President Jacques Chirac introduced a law to regulate the use of English in France. This Orwellian initiative to control language, passed in a watered-down form and still on the books as The Toubon Law, gave me an idea for an epic novel. That novel is now nearing completion.
During my early research phase, I happened on a French philosopher who was a friend to Thomas Jefferson and an advisor to Napoleon Bonaparte. I chose Constantin-Francois Volney as my protagonist because his most famous book--Ruins of Empires--represents not only a refutation of Jean Jacques Rousseau's "Social Contract" (and hence France's broken social model), but also proposes a solution to the world's enduring religious conflicts (what topic could be more relevant in the post 9/11 world?).
As I read deeper into Volney's life and works I eventually came upon a surprising, important and yet little known fact--Thomas Jefferson liked Ruins of Empires so much, he translated it into English himself. In October 2005, I gave a speech at Monticello detailing the evidence which strongly implies Jefferson translated this book (specifically, I gave this speech at the Robert H. Smith International Center for Jefferson Studies; see http://www.monticello.org/icjs/index.htm...).
The reaction? "Le gros nul"--a big fat zero! No one seems to care about this issue and yet, from my perspective, the fact that then-Vice President Jefferson would risk his chance of winning the presidency by translating this controversial book reveals an important aspect of his personality and beliefs.
After that somewhat disappointing experience, I put my head down and got to work writing my novel. I have already finished a screenplay version and am now using that as an outline to write the book--English-Turn, Detour-Anglois--Napoleon Bonaparte invades Louisiana, challenging Thomas Jefferson for control of North America.
About my libraryAlong the way I have become a collector of all things Volney: books, portraits, medallions, etc. Today I work as a political analyst at a large international organization in Paris. But when I first thought of the idea for my novel I was a cotton and rice trader. Hence I have some understanding of the law of supply and demand. After I realized Thomas Jefferson translated Ruins of Empires into English--and that few people appreciated this--I started buying up the book on the open market.
Since there was very little demand, I bought multiple copies of Jefferson's translation at relatively low prices. I have been doing this actively since about 2000. Prices have been rising modestly in recent years, although I don't know if this is a result of my activities or just the natural inflation of prices for books more than a century old.
I am now (quite probably) the owner of the world's largest collection of Jefferson translations. I own two first editions, plus a second and third edition, all published in Paris "under the immediate inspection of the author." I also own dozens of other editions published in the US, notably those published by Gaylord (pre-Civil War) and by Eckler (post-Civil War). Interest in Volney and his book seemed to die-off about the time of World War I, although the Truth Seeker Press put out some excellent Jefferson-editions in the 1950s, as did the Black Classic Press in the 1990s. My personal belief is, given the overall sorry state of the world (economically and morally), a renaissance in Volney and his Ruins of Empires is long overdue.
For the members of LibraryThing, here is my quasi-expert advice on which Ruins of Empires editions to buy (and which to avoid) in the marketplace.
General Rules to Purchase a Jefferson-Barlow Translation
(1) Do not buy English language translations published in the US prior to 1802: these are not the translation by Jefferson-Barlow. Examples: James Lyon, Philadelphia, 1799 and William Davies, NY, 1796. To my knowledge, there is only one British English (non-Jefferson-Barlow) translation published in the US post-1802: see tag "S. Shaw" for more details. (2) Beware of editions published in the UK. Most are not the Jefferson-Barlow translation. If you see the word "survey" in the title, that is a clear indication the book was published in the UK and is not a Jefferson-Barlow translation. To my knowledge, there is only one Jefferson-Barlow edition published in the UK: see tag "Hood & Cuthell" for more details. In general, it remains better to stick with US editions post-1802. (3) If the title page includes the phrase "translated under the immediate inspection of the author," this is the Jefferson-Barlow translation. (4) The Acid Test: turn to the Invocation: the first sentence should read: "Hail solitary ruins, holy sepulchres and silent walls! you I invoke; to you I address my prayer!" This is the Jefferson-Barlow translation. (5) If you still want confirmation, go to Gutenberg.org. They have a free electronic copy of the (unacknowledged) Jefferson-Barlow translation for your comparison (http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1397).
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If you think you have found a Jefferson-Barlow edition you might like to purchase, note the name of the publisher, and then click on the See All Tags button (above). I have listed all the names of the Jefferson-Barlow publishers during the years 1802-1991. Click on the Tag of the Publisher you are interested in: each Book Review contains comments about the Publisher which may be of use in making your purchase.
Questions and Answers
Will you like this book?
If you are bored by the increasingly stale left-right political debate, yes, this book might be of interest to you. But if you consider yourself a happy camper, left or right, and don't want to be exposed to ideas which might upset your current views then, no, you probably should not read this book.
How do I know Thomas Jefferson translated this book?
The discovery was made by a famous French researcher (and UVA professor) Gilbert Chinard. He published his findings in 1923 in a work called "Volney et l'Amerique" (Johns Hopkins Press/Presses Universitaires de France--see the copy in my library). As the title implies, these findings were published in French and, to my knowledge, have never been translated into English. More than any other reason, this is probably why most Jefferson specialists have never heard of, or know very little about, this issue.
More evidence:
(1) In its Coolidge Collection of Thomas Jefferson manuscripts, the Massachusetts Historical Society has on file the first 12 chapters of Jefferson's translation. Click on the link below and then Scroll Down to Section IV. Other volumes, 1766-1824, Reel 16.
http://www.masshist.org/findingaids/doc....
(2) The Special Collections section of the UVA library also has on microfilm Jefferson's translation of "the Genius of the Ruins." Click on the link below and then Search: volney ruins lego manuscript.
http://virgo.lib.virginia.edu
Why do you call it the Jefferson-Barlow Translation?
According to the evidence discovered by Chinard, Jefferson translated the Invocation plus the first 20 chapters of Ruins of Empires. These first 20 chapters represent the "political science" section of the book. Presumably, Jefferson then became over-occupied with the coming 1800 presidential campaign and didn't have time to finish the last four (very lengthy and difficult to translate) chapters. These last four chapters are the "religion" section of the book. Jefferson's translation was finished by Joel Barlow, an American trader and poet living in Paris, who was a long-time friend of Volney's (Barlow later served as Ambassador to France; this means Ruins of Empires was translated by two US ambassadors to France: Jefferson and Barlow). In a happy-accident sort of way, Barlow's name then became associated with the entire translation, thus providing an extra degree of cover to obscure Thomas Jefferson's role in the project.
Why did Jefferson insist his translation be published anonymously?
Jefferson and Volney conceived their conspiracy to translate Ruins of Empires into English during Volney's visit to Monticello in 1796. Jefferson was then-Vice-President of the United States, but since he had little work to do in an official capacity, he spent most of his time rebuilding Monticello. But even then, Jefferson knew he would be running for president in 1800 and was worried about being accused of "atheism" if he became publicly associated with Volney's book. Jefferson's worries were well-founded. During his three-year stay in the U.S., Volney was attacked as an atheist in the Federalist press and by the British scientist J.B. Priestely. In 1798, Volney fled the country and returned to France just before the infamous Alien Act went into effect.
Note: see Priestely's Legacy page here:
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Jose...
Why haven't you heard of Volney's Ruins before?
Ruins of Empires is a lost classic in Western Literature. Most educated people on both sides of the Atlantic knew of Volney and his book during the 19th century. In modern times, Leftists enjoy referencing Volney's supposed "radical and atheist" views, yet never realize Volney specifically rejected Rousseau's "Social Contract"--the very basis of modern-day Socialism.
Rightists have labeled him a heretic for suggesting that "Man created God in his own image" and yet never appreciate Volney championed "Enlightened Self Interest" and a universal code of morality based on Natural Law. As a result, Volney has detractors on both sides, but no champions, and his works have been largely forgotten.
To give but one example of Volney's influence during the 19th century, it is well documented that Abraham Lincoln read Ruins of Empires as a young man and was deeply moved by it (see refs in Herndon et al). This means, in effect, this book has been "recommended" by two of the greatest presidents in the history of the United States: Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln.
Here's a link to one account by Herndon who was Lincoln's law partner in Springfield and first biographer:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/stei...
Here are two more links which show the close relationship between Jefferson and Volney:
http://www.monticello.org/highlights/pyr...
http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2000/00-017....
Finally, here's a link to both French and English (Jefferson-Barlow) editions of Ruins of Empires.
http://manybooks.net/authors/volneyco.ht...
So why is all this important?
Ruins of Empires is a summary of human history seen through the lens of a post-Enlightenment philosopher. Sitting alone atop a cliff overlooking the ruins of Palmyra (in modern day Syria), the philosopher asks himself: is there a General Principle which defines the rise and fall of empires?
In this moment a Genie or Phantom appears. The two begin a philosophical discussion and, with the Phantom’s help, the philosopher defines this General Principle: Empires Rise If Government Allows Enlightened Self-Interest to Flourish. This applies to all countries, all cultures, all continents, all centuries. And this is the General Principle that refutes Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s Social Contract, the very basis of modern-day Socialism.
Thomas Jefferson liked this book because he saw it as an affirmation of the American experiment. What Volney wrote in theory, the United States was doing in reality—keeping government small, decentralized and restricted; thus allowing its citizens to realize their dreams without interference from a super-nanny state (in France they call it: "l’état providence").
This is the message Jefferson wanted to transmit to future generations of Americans and that’s why he translated the book—he saw it as kind of a primer on the Enlightenment principles upon which the United States was founded.
In the last third of the book, Volney recounts a “General Assembly of Nations”—a kind of fictional first meeting of the United Nations. This is the religion section translated by Joel Barlow. In this section, all the nations of the globe come together "in search of truth." And it’s here that things get really controversial.
Each nation, each religion presents “the truth” as they see it. Once each side has spoken everyone discovers, to their surprise, no one has changed their minds about anything and the divisions between them remain firmly in place—does this sound somehow familiar?
At this point, Volney begins an investigation into the origin of the world’s religions. In the beginning, as it were, Volney recounts that the very Idea of God resulted from an attempt by primitive humans to understand their physical world—the actions of the primary elements such as wind, fire, earth and water; the changing of the seasons; the interplay between the sun, moon and planets; the source of natural disasters such as floods, earthquakes and droughts. Hence, the very Idea of God did not come from a miraculous revelation of invisible beings, but was a natural offspring of the human intellect. Only later, after centuries of iterations, did God become a completely abstract idea, divorced from the physical world from which it had sprung.
I imagine you are beginning to understand why Jefferson insisted his translation be published anonymously. While he was working on the translation, sometime during 1796-1800, Jefferson was still Vice-President under John Adams. And since he’d already been attacked as an atheist during his career he didn’t want to give his opponents more ammunition. Yet he did the translation anyway, even though his presidential ambitions would have been harmed if he became publically associated with Ruins of Empires.
In the last chapter of the book, Volney proposes a solution to the world’s enduring religious conflicts. It’s here, I believe, that Volney has the most to say about the problems we have in today’s post-September 11 world.
The solution to the problem of religious contradictions, Volney says, can only be found by returning the source of morality to the physical world.
The truth is, we humans only dispute about that which is unknown or has yet to be proven. I don’t believe the sun is round, I know it is—I can see it with my own eyes, and you can too. Hence, "the sun is round" is a self-evident truth that is not a source of conflict or even debate among us.
Religious conflicts begin because no one, honestly, has ever seen, heard, touched, tasted or felt God—it’s a human concept beyond the range of our physical senses to confirm.
In a word, religious conflicts arise because every religion is based on mystical or metaphysical principles which can never be proven.
To end these conflicts, humans must, as a species, establish a system of morality based in the physical world, upon a single physical principle that can be proven.
Just exactly how we can establish this “moral system based in the physical world” is the subject of Volney’s follow-on book, “Law of Nature” (if you want to know more, please click on the link to my review of Law of Nature below).
http://www.librarything.com/work/8145209...
At this point though, I think I’ve written enough. I’ve given enough hints. Either you want to read Ruins of Empires and Law of Nature or you don’t.
There’s nothing more I can say, except perhaps this:
George Washington has Volney’s Ruins of Empires in his Legacy Library, as does Ernest Hemmingway—you folks are members of LibraryThing, go check it out if you don’t believe me.
On top of that, Jefferson translated the book and Lincoln read it when he was a young man.
Are these effective recommendations somehow insufficient? Are we modern humans incapable of reading what our ancestors read just because some leftist academic or rightist preacher doesn’t like the contents?
Have we really become that lazy as a nation, as a culture, as a species?
If so, America, watch out—our so-called empire has risen over the past two centuries because we have followed Volney’s General Principle either consciously or unconsciously.
But remember, that principle works both ways—empires rise and empires fall—and the United States is not excluded from that simple real world, physical truth.
Hope you enjoy my Library and Reviews,
All Zee Best, TCW
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posted by paradoxosalpha at 11:32 pm (EST) on Nov 20, 2009
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posted by goddesspt2 at 7:13 am (EST) on Oct 21, 2009
I saw your Volney commentary when I clicked YES on the request. I downloaded the book yesterday. Haven't had time to look at it yet.
How did Volney fit with the IDEOLOGUES, so-called, who followed Destutt de Tracy, another Frenchman Jefferson translated? Napoleon HATED the ideologues. Hated De Tracy. But Volney he appointed to parliament????
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posted by wirkman at 10:25 pm (EST) on Sep 9, 2009
posted by lawecon at 8:23 pm (EST) on Sep 8, 2009
I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. I read about Ruins of Empires on your page here and it sounds very interesting. I'll have to look into getting a copy, though it may be a while unless I can find a very inexpensive one. (My finances are a bit tight at the moment, and I've had to seriously decelerate the rate at which I acquire books.)
I actually remember the reference from Frankenstein. That section, when the monster tells his story, is actually by far my favorite part of the novel. I've read God is not Great but can't remember the specific reference to Volney in it, so I'll have to look that up.
Thanks, and all the best,
Ash
posted by AshRyan at 12:57 am (EST) on Sep 4, 2009
Thank you for your kind consideration and interest. To answer your question regarding how I came to know about Volney and then purchase ROE, it was actually that I stumbled across your LibraryThing page. Your description of the book's history was intriguing enough that I bought it in a moment of caprice. I have no systematic approach to my reading outside of, possibly, William Gass, Paul Valery, Philosophy and Ancient History, and minor forays into Church history, the occult, and Decadence writers. Otherwise I leave things to Chance and Whim, and Volney is incidental to that.
I would have written you first, probably, but that I haven't gotten to Volney yet for the pile of other books ahead of him (the common lament once more iterated). Unfortunately, I don't have a more interesting purchase-ancestry to offer you; no lineage of previous mention nor touchstone in another book. But you can see, at least, that your championing of Volney is having an influence.
Thank you again. I will write soon regarding Volney (as I familiarize myself with him), but please feel free to correspond whenever.
Joshua
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posted by lawecon at 8:59 am (EST) on Sep 2, 2009
I see that you are interested in Bastiat. The Mises Institute has a compilation of a reasonably good English translation of all his works in two reasonably priced volumes. If you don't want to invest in that, you should at least purchase his Essays In Political Economy if not his Economic Harmonies. There is, of course, also a multivolume late 19th Century French edition of his writings, which I have a dilapidated copy of somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and give you the details.
Have any interest in later French writers like Proudhon?
posted by lawecon at 9:43 am (EST) on Sep 1, 2009
posted by pranogajec at 12:21 am (EST) on Aug 8, 2009
I only recently bought “How We Got Here” and have not read it yet. I will contact you if I have any questions.
Chris
posted by Chris177 at 11:21 am (EST) on Aug 3, 2009
Thanks for your email; I will have to look up Volney and your references in my library;I will keep in touch.
Regards
Greenmantle(John Simpson)
in Toronto
posted by Greenmantle at 5:03 pm (EST) on Jul 15, 2009
Thanks for adding me as a friend. I have heard of Volney in connection to my studies of Napoleon,but was unaware of his works. I will be purchasing his book at the first opportunity.
posted by Belisaurus at 6:41 pm (EST) on Jul 14, 2009
My apologies for not responding sooner, but I've been in Salt Lake City using the Family History Library there for the past week--got in late yesterday--and just now got round to checking in on LT. I was looking for the parents of my g-g-g-grandfather, Samuel Clarke who was somehow mixed up with the Seventh Day Baptists in their migration from Rhode Island to Jefferson and Lewis Counties via Hamilton, Otsego and Chenango Counties. I grew up in Carthage, my father in Harrisville--his sister lived in one of the tenant farmer houses Joseph Bonaparte ordered built (on Rt. 3 toward Natural Bridge outside Harrisville). Many of my other ancestors were Palatine Germans who helped defend the Mohawk Valley during the Revolution. T. W. Clarke's book is a natural for my genealogy collection, especially as I am, among other things, a lineage researcher for the Rochester Chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution and my original Patriot Ancestor is Johann Jost Foltz, one of the three scouts sent by General Herkimer into Fort Stanwix during St. Leger's siege. Therefore, I have some direct connections to the people discussed in Clarkes' book.
Warmest regards,
Steve
posted by spclarke at 4:22 pm (EST) on Jun 8, 2009
I used to read a lot about Fouché. Here are my Fouché-books:
http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?...
Hans
posted by hnn at 10:05 am (EST) on May 28, 2009
Please give me your mail address so I can send you the essay on loi Toubon.
I just read the biography of Volnay on French Wikipedia: a really interesting person - I am surprised I have not heard of him before. Is there any good biography in book form about him (French or English)?
I shall also try to get hold of the Ruins of Empires. I found two facsimile versions on amazon. Which do you recommend?
http://www.amazon.com/Meditation-revolut...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1...
Hans
PS: I notice also that Jefferson owned 7 books by Volnay!
posted by hnn at 3:22 pm (EST) on May 24, 2009
Sure would be neat to have a time machine, wouldn't it? Would love to be in the same room when Jefferson, Volney, and Franklin were talking together, if it ever happened. As for Adams, I share a couple of ancestors with him, so have a bit of the same determination, but not nearly the career abilities and aspirations he had. I got the genealogy bug a few years ago from a friend, and the online databases are fantastic. I know they have that 6 degrees of separation idea for living people. How about the 6 generations of separation from a public personage? Bet you have an interesting heritage yourself, being a Williams.
Regards,
drj
posted by drj at 4:50 pm (EST) on May 10, 2009
So nice to hear from you so quickly. Volney must have been someone of the same caliber as Jefferson. My education in French is rather weird, so I don't remember crossing his path before studying the Ancient Egyptian language. When I get some free reading time, I will look him up. Most authors that are worth reading have far ranging interests, like Isaac Asimov and Thomas Costain, to name a few. When I was young, I read a lot of historical novels. As I got older, my brother-in-law got me interested in science fiction. Today I read very little fiction as I prefer history, philosophy, and handicraft instruction to broaden my own horizons a bit. I see you also like history and natural law. How wonderful! When I was in law school my most difficult, and therefore most challenging, course was on legal philosophy. I also liked international law and ethics as these were the closest classes to philosophy that I had ever taken. Later on, I earned a PhD at a seminary, but the course work was all nuts and bolts stuff. Happily, my son was a philosophy major for his undergrad degree, so I get to discuss ephemeral topics with him whenever we have family reunions.
Happy reading!
drj
posted by drj at 2:07 pm (EST) on May 9, 2009
You are right, I am out in the field a lot which means I have no access to the computer. When I am home, I do have work to do. I consider Library Thing recreation time. Thanks for telling me about Volney's earlier book. Happily, I can read in French, so getting a copy in French would not be a problem for me. Glad to know Napoleon liked it, as he is one of my "heroes". I did take time to pay a visit on him at Les Invalides when I was in Paris as a college student.
At age 11, I went on a life-changing journey with my great aunt to Egypt. We spent a week in Cairo and then visited Memphis and Luxor. Too bad my favorite author, HG Wells, wrote fiction as I sure wished I had a time machine. Cecil B DeMille did a nice job of recreating the feel of Egypt in her glory under Ramesses in his Ten Commandments, but it can never match actually being there. And Zahi Hawass has pretty much proven that the pyramids were built by conscripted citizens, not slaves. Most likely this was true of Pi-Ramesses as well.
Oh, as to how I got a copy of Volney in my library ... I am a librarian with a serious book habit. Amazon.com is an answer to prayer. Before Amazon ate it, there was a website of antiquarian book dealers called bibliophile.com. I belonged to two different email lists that discuss Ancient Egyptian language, literature and culture. One of the postings talked about Volney, and there he was in bibliophile, so I grabbed a copy. My copy was reprinted by Black Classic Press in 1991 of the Peter Eckler edition of 1890. I am always looking for ancient literature that investigates the roots of civilization and describes the means by which ancient nations ruled themselves. Egypt fascinates me because it seems to be the real source of our western culture, not Greece. The Greeks were great at learning from the peoples they conquered, unlike the Romans who remind me of the Borg in Star Trek who were only interested in assimilating their conquerees. The Ptolemeys were the impetus behind the great library at Alexandria which was supposed to contain the remnants of Egyptian history and culture that the Greek scholars could record. Manley P. Hall has a great chapter on the tragedy of the destruction of the library in his book, "An encyclopedic outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian symbolical philosophy", which is now out in paperback under the title, "The Secret Teachings of All Ages."
Oops, wrote a lot more than I planned. :)
Anyways, looking forward to our discussions of ancient nations and how they still affect us today.
God bless,
drj
posted by drj at 11:22 am (EST) on May 5, 2009
Regards,
Chris
posted by ncunionist at 9:50 pm (EST) on Apr 22, 2009
I would have responded to your friend request earlier but have been out in the field, literally.
Jefferson is one of my favorite people in history. I have had the pleasure of touring Monticello twice and appreciate his genius every time I use a library with LC cataloging, which he invented.
The Volney book is in my library because I am also passionate about Ancient Egypt. It was such a stable culture for so long, and I feel is the ancestor of our own culture. I am a student of ancient religions, which I feel is part of the "glue" that held ancient civilizations together in a sort of theocracy.
Anyways, welcome to Library Thing and the wonderful literate community that it offers!
drj
posted by drj at 2:56 pm (EST) on Apr 19, 2009
Regards,
GAB
posted by Allen_Bass at 6:24 pm (EST) on Apr 15, 2009
posted by Allen_Bass at 5:57 pm (EST) on Apr 15, 2009
Thank you for inviting me to be a friend and what a pleasure to discover Volney as an antedote to Rousseau! Some years ago I delivered and published an essay critical of Rousseau especially regarding his construction of the noble savage (I have an Algonkin background). Volney is not the only French thinker somewhat critical in an interesting way of ideas that now smother France and much of the rest of the world.
In addition I know Volnay wines a bit, and I certainly sympathize with your collecting.
If you are ever in the area between Nîmes and Montpellier, come for a visit to the Château de Malérargues.
Yours truly,
Jay Livernois
posted by JayLivernois at 7:22 pm (EST) on Apr 14, 2009
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