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About me"Politics is like the human body, beautiful when viewed from the outside, but if you open it up and look inside, it's disgusting." -- Volney, French philosopher and parliamentarian (1757-1820)

I'm an American living in France for more than two decades; got a job in the Political Section of the U.S. Embassy in Paris three months before they started flying airplanes into buildings...

Way back in the mid-1990s Jacques Chirac, then-President of the 5th Republic, tried to outlaw use of the English language in France. That Orwellian attempt to control the words the people could use gave me an idea for a novel. After many years of fitful travail here's the result...

We Live in a World of Unexpected Big Events

English-Turn, Détour-Anglois isn’t just another Alternate History novel. It’s a metaphor for the modern day—Clash of Civilizations. Religious Conflict. The Rise of Capitalism, Democracies and Free Trade. The Emergence of the Arab Spring—all these contemporary events are folded into a single mind-warping history-changing epic adventure:

New Orleans, 1802: Queen Marcella, a mixed-blood voodoo priestess, finds herself swept into a hurricane vortex of international intrigue, personal ambition and religious strife as Volney, an agoraphobic French revolutionary, and Napoleon Bonaparte, Premier Consul of the French Republic, challenge Thomas Jefferson for control of North America.

Empires Rise if Government Allows Enlightened Self-Interest to Flourish

In the early days of the French Revolution, Constantin-Francois Volney, a member of the first National Assembly and friend of Thomas Jefferson, published Ruins of Empires, a post-Enlightenment review of human history. The book’s central premise, noted above, represents not only a refutation of Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s Social Contract—and hence Socialism—but also provides the basis for a solution to the world’s enduring religious conflicts. Jefferson liked the book so much he translated it into English. But he also insisted on complete anonymity due to the book’s controversial religious content. This little known but well-documented fact becomes the fulcrum event of the English-Turn story—the slight tweak to historical events that provokes Napoleon Bonaparte to sail to New Orleans and change the destiny of the world.

The ebook version is now available on Amazon. A paperback version is available at:

https://www.createspace.com/3663571

Keep an eye open too for my next novel—a completely different story which, I promise, will have no equivalent in the marketplace.

About my libraryOver the years I've gathered a rather significant collection of works by the French philosopher and parliamentarian C.F. Volney. My library includes multiple editions of Thomas Jefferson's translation of Volney's most famous book, Ruins of Empires (Les Ruines). If you'd like some advice about buying a copy of the Jefferson translation just drop me a line.

ABOUT VOLNEY’S RUINS OF EMPIRES

Volney’s Ruins is a book of general principles. It asks the question: is there not a universal principle that explains the rise and fall of empires? Volney’s answer—empires rise if the government allows enlightened self-interest to flourish—represents not only a refutation of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Social Contract. It also explains human history during the 200+ years since the book's publication: from the rise of the United States, to the fall of the Soviet Union, to the recent emergence of the Arab Spring.

Thomas Jefferson liked Volney's Ruins so much he secretely translated it into English. He saw the book as a means to teach future generations about the Enlightenment-based principles upon which the United States was founded. According to evidence discovered by Gilbert Chinard (1923), Jefferson was responsible for translating the first 20 chapters of Volney's Ruins, while Joel Barlow translated the final 4 chapters. Indeed, the first edition of the so-called Jefferson-Barlow translation, published in Paris by Levrault in 1802, is divided into two volumes: chapters 1-20 and chapters 21-24—an implicit recognition of the work done by two different translators.

Other than Jefferson, Volney's Ruins has had a significant influence on personalities as diverse as Abraham Lincoln, Walt Whitman, Thomas Cole, Mary Shelley and William Blake (see my Tags for more).

FIVE GENERAL RULES TO PURCHASE A JEFFERSON-BARLOW TRANSLATION

(1) The first Jefferson-Barlow edition was published in Paris by Levrault in 1802. Hence, you needn't bother with English language translations published before that date. The first US edition was published by Dixon and Sickles of New York in 1828. (Here are two examples of what NOT to buy: James Lyon, Philadelphia, 1799 and William Davies, NY, 1796. To my knowledge, there is only one non-Jefferson-Barlow translation published in the US post-1802: see tag "S. Shaw" for more details.)

(2) Beware of editions published in the UK: 99 percent are not the Jefferson-Barlow translation. If you see the word "survey" in the title, that is a clear indication the book was published in the UK and is NOT a Jefferson-Barlow translation. (To my knowledge, there is only one Jefferson-Barlow edition published in the UK: see tag "Hood & Cuthell" for more details.) In general, it's best to look for US editions post-1802.

(3) If the title page includes the phrase "translated under the inspection of the author," this is the Jefferson-Barlow translation.

(4) The Acid Test: turn to the Invocation: the first sentence should read: "Hail solitary ruins, holy sepulchres and silent walls! you I invoke; to you I address my prayer!" This is the Jefferson-Barlow translation.

(5) If you still want confirmation, go to Gutenberg.org. They have a free electronic copy of the (unacknowledged) Jefferson-Barlow translation for your comparison:

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1397

TAGS LINKED TO PUBLISHERS

If you think you have found a Jefferson-Barlow edition you might like to purchase, note the name of the publisher, and then click on the "see all tags" tab (above) or the link below. I have listed all the names of the Jefferson-Barlow publishers during the years 1802-1991.

Click on the Tag of the Publisher you are interested in: each Book Review contains comments which may be of use in making your purchase.

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Thanks. I hope to get back to finishing the book soon. He is a find.

twv
Hi, I quoted you on the latest incarnation of my blog. See the first entry at wirkman.wordpress.com. Thanks for introducing me to Volney.
Glad you enjoyed the Thompson. Despite the timing, it never would have occurred to me to connect Blake with Volney, precisely because of the sort of discrepancies you describe. But Thompson makes a good case, I think.
Hi Thomas. I just finished reading E.P. Thompson's excellent Witness Against the Beast: William Blake and the Moral Law, and I thought you might be interested, in that a great deal of the penultimate chapter concerns itself with the likely influence of Volney on Blake. (Perhaps you know the book already, but since I didn't see it in your catalog, I figured I'd pass along the tip.)
Thank you, TC, for acknowledging me, based on my selection of your library as interesting. Your comments about Volney are welcome and appetizing. I am a little familiar with Volney, based on my complete admiration though dilletantish study of Thomas Jefferson. Despite extensive (for me, anyway) readings about Jefferson, it is clear that I am a complete novice compared to you with respect to Volney, who I admit is a very interesting Jeffersonian connection. I would welcome any recommendations you may wish to make about books by and about Volney, particularly any attributable to Mr. TJ. So, please, weigh in with as many recommendations as you like. I am prolific not only in book collecting but also reading, and this is an area where I have read a lot, plan to read a lot more, but know that I will never plumb one quarter of the depth available.

Are you familiar with Clay Jenkinson? I am a podcast nut, and my all-time favorite is Clay's weekly show on which he impersonates Jefferson. He is a bona fide Jefferson scholar, as well as a popularizer of TJ. If this is new to you, please see www.jeffersonhour.com. Based on my several years of devoted listening to this podcast, and follwing Clay's blogs, I am sure he would want to hear from you about Volney. Who knows - he might even want to devote a show to the Jefferson-Volney connection.

Good to hear from you, and I welcome further communication.
Thomas,
I thought Rhea did a great job with primary sources which told about the battle in the words of those who did the fighting. I think my favorite was the first volume in the series on the Battle of the Wilderness. Are the books on the Chaco canyon research for a new book?
Bill Rucker
Thomas,
I see that you got the Gordon C. Rhea book that includes the Bloody Angle. That battle was some of the most vicious combat of the Civil War. I have never read the John Cannan book about the battle. I will be interested to see how you like it.
Bill Rucker
Thomas - It wasn't me that out maneuvered you for the 1817 Levrault edition of Volney's book... I inherited my copy several years ago - along with a number of other late 18th, early 19th century works - from my great-great uncle. Unfortunately, I can't take the rare credit for beating you out on this one!! - Preston
The best book depends on what you're looking for and where you're coming from. Anthony Aveni's "People and the Sky" is the best general introduction on a worldwide scale from a historian's point of view. If you're more comfortable with astronomy than prehistoric archaeology Giulio Magli's Mysteries and Discoveries of Archaeoastronomy might be better.

The techniques used differ around the world, because of the nature of the evidence. In Europe there's no ethnographic or historical evidence to draw on for prehistoric material, so the studies tend to be statistically heavy. Clive Ruggles Prehistoric Astronomy in Britain and Ireland is good for that approach. In the Americas there is this kind of information. Aveni's edited a volume Foundations of New World Cultural Astronomy which gathers a lot of hard to find papers from various books and journals for archaeoastronomy in the Americas.

Best,

Alun
thanks thomas for the 411!

Nzingha
i checked the Invocation and it starts:

Hail solitary ruins,holy sepulchres and silent walls! You I invoke; to you I addres my prayer.

now I'm confused i don't find Thomas Jefferson mention in any of prefaces:
Publisher's Preface
Translator's Preface
preface of the london edition
preface of the American Edition

Nzingha
No, not Thomas Jefferson. I will quote from preface;
"The translation here given closely follows that published in Paris by Levrault Quai Malaquais, in 1802 which was under the direction and careful supervision of the talented author; and whatever notes Count Volney then thought necessary to insert in his work, are here carefully reproduced without abridgement or modification."

Nzingha
Hi TCW,

I bought your new book, English-Turn, Napoleon Invades Louisiana. I can't absolutely promise but I will try to write a review.

Thanks for the head-up!
Thanks TCW. I have the first two and I agree with your comments regarding them. I found Amazon offering a bargain price on Warren's book and ordered it. The other two will have to wait :)
Hi Thomas,
As for the recommendation, I just meant anything you find interesting. There is no hurry either; so this should be at the bottom of your priority list. I will look at your library occasionally to find something interesting.

All the best for the publishing.

Regards,
Mayur
Hello Thomas,
Congratulations on finishing your book. I wish you all the best with the 'marketing' and look forward to adding your book to my library.

Maybe you should try this
http://www.amazon.com/Breakthrough-Novel-Award-Books/b?ie=UTF8&node=33226401...

Thanks for the recommendations. 'The Law of Nature' (~30 pages, 12 chapters) is already included in the 'Ruins' edition you recommended (ISBN: 1406815489). Let me know if you were referring to something else. I cannot read Dupuis unless I learn French. I actually bought the book on 'French Secret Services' after finding it in your library.

As for your stock recommendations, I live in India, so I cannot invest in the US names (a lot complicated, at the very least).

Glad to hear from you. Thanks for your wishes and I again wish you a happy 2011 and beyond.

Mayur

Hi,
How are you? I am sorry that I am a little late in getting back but I really liked Volney's Ruins. Thanks for the recommendation. Do recommend any other books that you think are good.

Wish you happy holidays and a very happy and prosperous new year.

How is your book coming along?

All the best.

Mayur
Thankyou for leaving a comment. I am reading Volney's book because it was mentioned in Frankenstein, and I find both books interesting.
What did you think of Kitchen Chinese, Thomas? I enjoyed it, but then, I copyedited the manuscript, and sometimes I judge books I work on by a different, less stringent, standard than those I read otherwise. So I'm curious.
Thanks for contacting me- Jefferson was very interested in translating French works- namely that of Volney and Destutt de Tracy's Commentaries on Montesquieu's Spirit of the Laws, right around the same period, too. You might want to see Martin Thom's Republics, Nations, and Tribes, which discusses Jefferson and Volney, and Edward Said discusses Volney's travel writings briefly in his Orientalism. You may or may not like these works very much, but its food for thought anyway.
- mattcrow
I must check out Frankenstein, Chapter 13. It is years since I read it.

We had a great time in Paris. Didn't get to the lily pads, though I have heard they are beautiful. Isn't that the oval room with Monet's lillies all around?

We had a very relaxing time. We went straight from the airport to the Latin Quarter and had lunch. Then spent the rest of the day strolling along the Seine.

Thanks to the volcanic ash we are a day late getting home as we had to catch a train to Cherbourg and a ferry to Rosslare. It added to the enjoyment.
Hi, I came across your post querying the source of the phrase, "We the people" (very socialist, I thought), and linked through to your profile. I find your discussion of Volney and his works fascinating.

As it happens, I am off to Paris for a relaxing weekend tomorrow morning. Your profile picture fitted my mood perfectly.

Good luck with your book. I will keep an eye out for it when it hits the bookstores. Peter
Thank you - much appreciated. Tom
Thank you for your message and recommendations, Mr. Williams!
Thank you for your friendship request.
I found your “about me” section regarding Volney quite interesting and I am intrigued.
Thomas,

Thank you for making me your friend. I suppose it is because I had Volney in my library. Actually the book was on my wishlist. I heard about it on one of the groups -- a history group I think but I don't remember. By coincidence I downloaded an e-book copy of Ruins of Empire today from Amazon. I don't know if the book is Jefferson's version; I haven't looked at it yet.

I will be reading the book with a great deal of interest. I am hoping to get a lot from it. We'll see.

Thanks again,

Len
Interesting stuff. Sorry I had not been back on this site for a few weeks.
Lectures on the Essence of Religion (I'm reading the Mannheim trans., pub. Harper & Row 1967) is not the same as The Essence of Religion, which it reviews and expands. Nor is The Essence of Religion the same as The Essence of Christianity. The Wikipedia article on Feuerbach isn't a bad primer on his role in the German philosophical tradition.
Here's another Volney reference I stumbled across (a little more highbrow than Straiton): Ludwig Feuerbach cites Volney approvingly in his Lectures on the Essence of Religion. The reference is at the end of Lecture 22. I like Feuerbach a lot, and if he was familiar with Volney, it's easy to believe that Volney was a conscious influence on his philosophy of religion. Feuerbach in turn was an enormous influence on both Marx and Nietzsche, so this gives you a clear view of the direct and indirect reception of Volney by "critical philosophy."
Thank you.
I ordered the book from Amazon and it is on its way. Meanwhile, I downloaded the Gutenberg text you suggested as well as a UK edition on Libertyfund site.
Looking up Volney in 'Frankenstein' reminded me of how I hunted for Winwood Reade's 'Martyrdom of Man' after Holmes recommended it in 'The Sign of Four'!

Best of luck.
Hi,
I am Mayur from India. I am delighted to make your acquaintance. I will definitely try to get the book. You have a wonderful library.

All the very best in your work.

Cheers.

I too am worried about America :(
TCW,
With regards to your inquiry about The Pirate Coast: Volney is not included in the index. However, he is referenced in the Bibliography. "Volney, Constantin-Francois. Travels through Syria and Egypt in the years 1783, 1784 and 1785."

Regards,
Ah thank you! Gilbert Chinard sounds interesting, I'll have to add that to the wishlist!

I don't know if I'll be able to obtain a copy of the Pirate Coast any time soon, so I suggest talking to History Fans' member, Betelgeuse. They recommended it to me and seems to have read it, so I'm sure they can state whether or not Volney was referenced. :)
TCW...thanks for note and offer of assistance. Before reading your note and then going to your library I knew nothing of Volney or Ruins of Empires. Reading your research, I was impressed that Washington/Jefferson were familiar with Volney's Ruins of Empires and likely help formed their opinion on government. Best wishes and on your continued research and novel...

I'm not sure you aren't seriously perverting the intended function of the "review" field in LT with your insertion of the full text of "Volney's Response to Dr. Priestly," but I thank you for it all the same. What an amusing read!

Season's greetings! (The obliquity of the earth's axis is, of course, the reason for the season, for those to whom reasons must be reasonable.)
Hello Thomas and Merry Christmas,
So nice to hear you will be in FL (you tourists keep our taxes low). That is such a beautiful location, with the wineries and rolling hills. Most un-Florida-like.

I do look back fondly on the good old days of my youth (which did not seem to be so good at the time). My brother-in-law was one of those tossed into jail for hanging around with the Chicago 7 and no proverbial dime to call home. He is still around, doing the VA and trying his best to atone spiritually for his wild youth. I don't have much to atone for except being apolitical. At the ripe age of 55 I decided to vote for the first time in my life. Got to put in that 2 cent's worth at the very least.

The most important lesson I have learned in my life, and in my studies, is that personal responsibility is there, whether you act on it or not. To be an actor instead of a spectator is the key. At least, to do something. I am sure Volney and Jefferson both would agree.

Have a nice trip to the US!
drj
Thanks for writing me. It is awhile since I have done much here in LibraryThing. Have become embroiled in FaceBook and offline activities as it is our busy season with the tourists in FL. I read your whole page and find it food for thought. Rousseau was fed to us as gospel truth when I was an undergrad student at the end of the 60's. Not being a politically minded person, I let it rest. However, maturity does strike and things change ... so I am much more concerned about politics as I approach retirement and senior status. Our country, thanks to Madison Ave and Hollywood, is so focused on the young and their ability to purchase, that us seniors are relegated to attention only at voting time on issues such as social security and medicare. I think us baby boomers are not going to be drowned out by the usual commercially inspired campaigns. We were vocal over Viet Nam, and willing to risk our future over other important issues, such as women's rights and racial equality. Let us hope that those former yuppies will read your book, and Volney's, and use it for fuel in the debate that must happen to keep democracy and freedom alive.
Bonjour,
I read the "Why this is important" section. Certainly provides food for thought, since I am not familiar with Volney. The fact that you point to Rousseau as a top instigator is spot on, and a fact not often enough emphasized. And certainly, the Founding Fathers are a treasure trove of good advice. The further we stray from their path, the more problems we face.

All the best,
Gary
I think your "why is this important" section is a pretty effective inducement to read Volney. It's got me interested in his Law of Nature, which I haven't read.
I don't know if you've previously gotten any whiff of the reception of Volney among Theosophical occultists, but I just stumbled across a citation of Ruins in E. Valentia Straiton's Celestial Ship of the North, and I figured it was a datum you might be interested in. She quotes him regarding the astronomical allegory underlying the persons of the biblical patriarchs, on her page 178 of volume 1.
Thanks for adding me as an interesting library. Right now I'm busying uploading my library but I will come back and browse your extensive Volney collection.
Yeah, thanks for the Volney tip.

I saw your Volney commentary when I clicked YES on the request. I downloaded the book yesterday. Haven't had time to look at it yet.

How did Volney fit with the IDEOLOGUES, so-called, who followed Destutt de Tracy, another Frenchman Jefferson translated? Napoleon HATED the ideologues. Hated De Tracy. But Volney he appointed to parliament????

t
I have ordered Volney's Ruins, hopefully in a reasonable translation. Will get back with you once I've looked through it and some of your other suggestions.
Hi Thomas,

I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. I read about Ruins of Empires on your page here and it sounds very interesting. I'll have to look into getting a copy, though it may be a while unless I can find a very inexpensive one. (My finances are a bit tight at the moment, and I've had to seriously decelerate the rate at which I acquire books.)

I actually remember the reference from Frankenstein. That section, when the monster tells his story, is actually by far my favorite part of the novel. I've read God is not Great but can't remember the specific reference to Volney in it, so I'll have to look that up.

Thanks, and all the best,
Ash
Thomas,

Thank you for your kind consideration and interest. To answer your question regarding how I came to know about Volney and then purchase ROE, it was actually that I stumbled across your LibraryThing page. Your description of the book's history was intriguing enough that I bought it in a moment of caprice. I have no systematic approach to my reading outside of, possibly, William Gass, Paul Valery, Philosophy and Ancient History, and minor forays into Church history, the occult, and Decadence writers. Otherwise I leave things to Chance and Whim, and Volney is incidental to that.

I would have written you first, probably, but that I haven't gotten to Volney yet for the pile of other books ahead of him (the common lament once more iterated). Unfortunately, I don't have a more interesting purchase-ancestry to offer you; no lineage of previous mention nor touchstone in another book. But you can see, at least, that your championing of Volney is having an influence.

Thank you again. I will write soon regarding Volney (as I familiarize myself with him), but please feel free to correspond whenever.

Joshua
We are going to get along great.
It is strange that the French have forgotten about Say, since he is generally viewed in history of economic thought [which I taught for a decade and wrote my dissertation about] as one of the very best of the early Classical Economists. He is generally viewed as someone who restated, systematized and added to the insights of Adam Smith before Ricardo [who rather radically changed things], and as the person most responsible for introducing those ideas to the French.
I am familiar with both Destutt de Tracy and J.B. Say, but with respect to their economic [or "political economy"] writings, not their constitutional writings. I am not familiar with Ruins of Empires but will follow your links above and return with questions [after I get past the present week long trial].

I see that you are interested in Bastiat. The Mises Institute has a compilation of a reasonably good English translation of all his works in two reasonably priced volumes. If you don't want to invest in that, you should at least purchase his Essays In Political Economy if not his Economic Harmonies. There is, of course, also a multivolume late 19th Century French edition of his writings, which I have a dilapidated copy of somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and give you the details.

Have any interest in later French writers like Proudhon?
Thanks, I will. I'm also very interested in Jefferson and working on a paper about his design of UVA. Hopefully I'll have time this fall to finish it amidst my dissertation work.
Hi,

I only recently bought “How We Got Here” and have not read it yet. I will contact you if I have any questions.

Chris
TCW
Thanks for your email; I will have to look up Volney and your references in my library;I will keep in touch.
Regards
Greenmantle(John Simpson)
in Toronto
Thomas,
Thanks for adding me as a friend. I have heard of Volney in connection to my studies of Napoleon,but was unaware of his works. I will be purchasing his book at the first opportunity.
Hello Thomas,
My apologies for not responding sooner, but I've been in Salt Lake City using the Family History Library there for the past week--got in late yesterday--and just now got round to checking in on LT. I was looking for the parents of my g-g-g-grandfather, Samuel Clarke who was somehow mixed up with the Seventh Day Baptists in their migration from Rhode Island to Jefferson and Lewis Counties via Hamilton, Otsego and Chenango Counties. I grew up in Carthage, my father in Harrisville--his sister lived in one of the tenant farmer houses Joseph Bonaparte ordered built (on Rt. 3 toward Natural Bridge outside Harrisville). Many of my other ancestors were Palatine Germans who helped defend the Mohawk Valley during the Revolution. T. W. Clarke's book is a natural for my genealogy collection, especially as I am, among other things, a lineage researcher for the Rochester Chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution and my original Patriot Ancestor is Johann Jost Foltz, one of the three scouts sent by General Herkimer into Fort Stanwix during St. Leger's siege. Therefore, I have some direct connections to the people discussed in Clarkes' book.
Warmest regards,
Steve
Ahh, Fouché par Jean Tulard, once again just you and me!

I used to read a lot about Fouché. Here are my Fouché-books:

http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=hnn&deepsearch=Fouch%C3%A9

Hans
Rebonjour Thomas,

Please give me your mail address so I can send you the essay on loi Toubon.

I just read the biography of Volnay on French Wikipedia: a really interesting person - I am surprised I have not heard of him before. Is there any good biography in book form about him (French or English)?

I shall also try to get hold of the Ruins of Empires. I found two facsimile versions on amazon. Which do you recommend?
http://www.amazon.com/Meditation-revolutions-Translated-inspection-biographical/...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1854772465/

Hans
PS: I notice also that Jefferson owned 7 books by Volnay!
Hey Thomas,
Sure would be neat to have a time machine, wouldn't it? Would love to be in the same room when Jefferson, Volney, and Franklin were talking together, if it ever happened. As for Adams, I share a couple of ancestors with him, so have a bit of the same determination, but not nearly the career abilities and aspirations he had. I got the genealogy bug a few years ago from a friend, and the online databases are fantastic. I know they have that 6 degrees of separation idea for living people. How about the 6 generations of separation from a public personage? Bet you have an interesting heritage yourself, being a Williams.

Regards,
drj
Hi Thomas,
So nice to hear from you so quickly. Volney must have been someone of the same caliber as Jefferson. My education in French is rather weird, so I don't remember crossing his path before studying the Ancient Egyptian language. When I get some free reading time, I will look him up. Most authors that are worth reading have far ranging interests, like Isaac Asimov and Thomas Costain, to name a few. When I was young, I read a lot of historical novels. As I got older, my brother-in-law got me interested in science fiction. Today I read very little fiction as I prefer history, philosophy, and handicraft instruction to broaden my own horizons a bit. I see you also like history and natural law. How wonderful! When I was in law school my most difficult, and therefore most challenging, course was on legal philosophy. I also liked international law and ethics as these were the closest classes to philosophy that I had ever taken. Later on, I earned a PhD at a seminary, but the course work was all nuts and bolts stuff. Happily, my son was a philosophy major for his undergrad degree, so I get to discuss ephemeral topics with him whenever we have family reunions.

Happy reading!
drj
Hello Thomas,
You are right, I am out in the field a lot which means I have no access to the computer. When I am home, I do have work to do. I consider Library Thing recreation time. Thanks for telling me about Volney's earlier book. Happily, I can read in French, so getting a copy in French would not be a problem for me. Glad to know Napoleon liked it, as he is one of my "heroes". I did take time to pay a visit on him at Les Invalides when I was in Paris as a college student.
At age 11, I went on a life-changing journey with my great aunt to Egypt. We spent a week in Cairo and then visited Memphis and Luxor. Too bad my favorite author, HG Wells, wrote fiction as I sure wished I had a time machine. Cecil B DeMille did a nice job of recreating the feel of Egypt in her glory under Ramesses in his Ten Commandments, but it can never match actually being there. And Zahi Hawass has pretty much proven that the pyramids were built by conscripted citizens, not slaves. Most likely this was true of Pi-Ramesses as well.
Oh, as to how I got a copy of Volney in my library ... I am a librarian with a serious book habit. Amazon.com is an answer to prayer. Before Amazon ate it, there was a website of antiquarian book dealers called bibliophile.com. I belonged to two different email lists that discuss Ancient Egyptian language, literature and culture. One of the postings talked about Volney, and there he was in bibliophile, so I grabbed a copy. My copy was reprinted by Black Classic Press in 1991 of the Peter Eckler edition of 1890. I am always looking for ancient literature that investigates the roots of civilization and describes the means by which ancient nations ruled themselves. Egypt fascinates me because it seems to be the real source of our western culture, not Greece. The Greeks were great at learning from the peoples they conquered, unlike the Romans who remind me of the Borg in Star Trek who were only interested in assimilating their conquerees. The Ptolemeys were the impetus behind the great library at Alexandria which was supposed to contain the remnants of Egyptian history and culture that the Greek scholars could record. Manley P. Hall has a great chapter on the tragedy of the destruction of the library in his book, "An encyclopedic outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian symbolical philosophy", which is now out in paperback under the title, "The Secret Teachings of All Ages."
Oops, wrote a lot more than I planned. :)
Anyways, looking forward to our discussions of ancient nations and how they still affect us today.

God bless,
drj
Thomas, missed your friends request - sorry about that. I check LT on now and then. Otherwise I would have accepted the offer.
Regards,
Chris
Hi Thomas,
I would have responded to your friend request earlier but have been out in the field, literally.
Jefferson is one of my favorite people in history. I have had the pleasure of touring Monticello twice and appreciate his genius every time I use a library with LC cataloging, which he invented.
The Volney book is in my library because I am also passionate about Ancient Egypt. It was such a stable culture for so long, and I feel is the ancestor of our own culture. I am a student of ancient religions, which I feel is part of the "glue" that held ancient civilizations together in a sort of theocracy.
Anyways, welcome to Library Thing and the wonderful literate community that it offers!
drj
Don't know. I tend to avoid things by young romantics. For first person writing my preferences run to Herr, "Dispatches", Moore, "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" (both about "my war") and Carter, "Those Devils in Baggy Pants". There are others, of course, and some whose writings are more novels than accounts but which speak as those who've endured themselves. The "2000 Yard Stare", a "portrait" by combat artist Tom Lea of a young Marine on Peleliu, pretty well sums things for me.

Regards,
GAB
I'm not familiar with The Ruins.
Dear Thomas,
Thank you for inviting me to be a friend and what a pleasure to discover Volney as an antedote to Rousseau! Some years ago I delivered and published an essay critical of Rousseau especially regarding his construction of the noble savage (I have an Algonkin background). Volney is not the only French thinker somewhat critical in an interesting way of ideas that now smother France and much of the rest of the world.
In addition I know Volnay wines a bit, and I certainly sympathize with your collecting.
If you are ever in the area between Nîmes and Montpellier, come for a visit to the Château de Malérargues.
Yours truly,
Jay Livernois
Hi Thomas - thanks for the invite to become a friend, I don't tend to take those up unless I have been exchanging messages with someone for a while, but happy to wave from time to time, and look forward to seeing what you have in your library as you catalogue it. LibraryThing is addictive, be warned!

Caroline
Definitely looks like interesting stuff! And one can never know too much about the things the founders of the United States of America were thinking and reading.

Daniel
I don't know Volney, but Newark is on the Erie Canal about half way between Rochester and Syracuse.
I read your remarks regarding Volney with interest. However, I am not a collector of Books; I am a militant reader. My question is this: Is the Jefferson-Barlow translation superior to other translations? If so, how? Is it because Jefferson benefitted from guidance by Volney? The reason I am asking is this: I believe I have found the Black Classic Press edition you recommend (ISBN: 0933121520), but it only contains the "Ruins of Empires". I see other paperback editions, for a comparable price, that offer Volney's "Law of Nature" along with 'Ruins'. Again, as a reader, not a collector, wouldn't I prefer two books to one - for a similar price, I mean? However, I am quite conscious of the problems that translation presents (every translation, after all, is an interpretation!) and would cheerfully buy the Jefferson-Barlow translation if there were serious (non-antiquarian) reasons for doing so.
I'm not sure exactly where I've heard of Volney, but my reading tastes range pretty far and wide, and I am an admirer of TJ and enjoy reading intellectual history. It was probably when I was doing some graduate work in history at the university of Notre Dame.
I have a little niche of those sorts of books. The title you mentioned I think I have come across in a storage shed at a local shop. I'll have to dig it out and see how much they'll mark it up for me.
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