Member: picklesan

It's so interesting how we can have love and compassion
and use that love and compassion to try to make a difference,
to respond to that call that you speak of,
and yet believe such different things, isn't it.

It is best you talk with Zee in these regards.
He is much more knowledgeable and open to the subject.
The person of Jesus has little to no meaning for me.
I have studied, I've read the same books as Zee in the last 22 years,
I've had a number of spiritual experiences.
I've experienced the laying on of hands,
being slain in the spirit, so to speak.
People told me I was touched by Jesus.
I didn't believe this could be Jesus, supposedly the path of relationship to God.
I wanted no part of this being or the people who drew upon this source of inspiration.
I had already experienced much more benevolent experiences than that one,
from other places. (Later I had a few more experiences in the East.)

Zee was a minister, very committed, very diligent.
Imagine memorizing the New Testament in Greek, and teaching in seminary,
in addition to everything else he was doing, as an architect and as a physicist.
He and I differ greatly in our beliefs about Jesus.
I feel our faith is quite similar, though I have much more to learn in this regard.
Discipleship isn't in my vocabulary,
though I do feel a dedication to life's greater purposes.

Thank you for your continued exchange.
You are a kind and gentle person, I wish you and your wife well.
Jennifer

posted by ecohealth2003 at 5:47 pm (EST) on Nov 18, 2009

Dear Al:
Thank you, once again, for engaging in this dialogue,
Reformation took a highly distorted configuration of what Jesus taught and attempted to craft a new formulation,
without recourse to the original events.
It is transparently skewed when one notices the lack of account of the 18 missing years of Jesus' life.
When one learns where he was and what he did, by means of accounts found in such places as the monastary
at Himmis, in Ley, Ladek. one finds he studied yoga in Western India, for six years, at Jaggarnath.
He spent six years in Tibet, studying Buddhism.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", was a Buddhist teaching.
He spent time with those following Zarathustra. He corrected their misunderstanding of their being a supreme agent of evil.

In scripture, when Paul says (in Corinthians), I knew a man, 14 years ago, who went into the third heaven, whether in the body or out of the body, I know not. I have experienced being out of the body. I have explored that third heaven (not where the birds fly, not where the stars shine) Look at the book Intra Muros, an account of one person's near death experience.
The Monroe Institute teaches how to do this.
There are heaps of such issues.
I am only willing to go back to the sources and rebuild what we understand, know and practice, in following the teachings of Jesus. to one another.
This may mean we are out of range and really have nothing to say.
I spent too many years reading such as C.S. Lewis.
Pope Leo said that this fable of Jesus has served us well.
He struck a chord.
It was futile to take what was assembled in the fourth century and regard it as our source of truth.

In the Greater Oneness,
Zee

posted by ecohealth2003 at 10:15 am (EST) on Nov 17, 2009

Dear Al:

It was our hope that we would find someone, somewhere, that was diligent,
concerned, compassionate and caring.
Quite apparently you are and have been just that.

We are too.
In 1953, I entered seminary.
I spent 5 years at three seminaries.
I was ordained.
I have baptized people, married people.
The movement of which I was a part is called the RESTORATION MOVEMENT.
Its main thesis was to restore what was happening in the first century.
Of course, it was formulated before we had such resources as The Dead Sea Scrolls or The Nag Hammadi.
These were found in the '40's.
As I studied these, and learned about such as The Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Philip,
or the Gospel of Mary, a deep stirring occurred.
I had learned Greek.
I looked to my Greek New Testament.
I found deeper understandings of that text.
Hebrew 11: Faith is the understructure of that for which we hope
and the transactional validation of the unseen.

I have completed majors in psychology and have learned hypnosis.
I have written scripts to guide meditational skills.
I have had a near death experience.

The scheme of which we are a part is larger than is accounted for by Western thought
or so called Christian Theology.

Perhaps I should just deposit this much and obtain your reaction.
I first thought, we could meet part way between London and Paris, like Woodstock.
I hesitate.
Is there a reason to meet?

Warms in the greater oneness,
in the one in whom we live and move and have our being,
Zee

posted by ecohealth2003 at 7:29 pm (EST) on Nov 16, 2009

I see that Zee responded to you this morning, that's great!
By the way, all of the materials at his website are free.

Thank you for asking about my leanings.
I was raised in a strict Anglican household, but rejected the teachings at the age of 9.
As long as I can remember I was attracted to the Orient, Asia.
I tried out a number of different religious groups, while in Canada, but found no connection.
I had numerous Chinese and African friends, a Malaysian boyfriend for a short time.
Being fascinated by other cultures, from a very young age,
my dream was to be a physician, teacher, and writer,
living overseas for the rest of my life.

The dream about the physician was not to be,
but I did major in human biology, nutrition and biochemistry.
So, after university, I did go to Java, Indonesia, as a volunteer.
I lived in orphanages and in a home for boys with physical disabilities,
teaching staff, helping the children.
I attended services at mosques, studied a little bit of Arabic,
read and studied Islam with a professor.
I read everything I could get my hands on,
having to do with the cultures and religions of south-east Asia.
When I had time off, I lived in Bali, in a Gandhian ashram, reciting Vedic scriptures,
and working on the Ashram's vegetable / peanut farm.

Then, while waiting three months for visa renewals,
I had the opportunity to travel through Malaysia and Thailand.
I literally stumbled upon a wonderful Buddhist monastery, in Thailand.
I happened to arrive, just in time, for a 10 day silent retreat.
English-speaking monks were flown in, from the USA.
Needless to say, this experience was wonderful.

I was invited, by an Australian woman, to live with her,
to study her methods of healing.
(I met her at the Ashram where she worked one month a year.)
She was a Quaker, so I learned about her spiritual orientation as well.
Her husband was the head of Amnesty International in NSW (New South Wales).
She also helped me to be able to live and volunteer
at a Rudolf Steiner Waldorf School / Biodynamic Farm,
named Warrah, outside of Sydney.
Having access to a Rudolf Steiner library was like a dream.
Steiner had amazing sources of inspiration, I still read his materials.

This Australian woman also introduced me to Jungian thought
and her friend gave me a book to read on the plane flight home.

A few years later, I tired of working in social services (red tape),
so I found a job as a cheese-maker's assistant.
The family that owned the plant and a 400-goat farm were Quaker
and the son (the cheesemaker) and his wife,
had recently become Buddhists.

About a year into making cheese, I met my husband-to-be,
for the first time, at a biodynamic farming meeting,
held in the research library, in Toronto, Canada.
I had travelled to the other side of the world,
my life seemed to have been scripted, with all the people I had met,
and the next thing I seemed destined to learn,
and finally, I knew, I had met my teacher.
Zee Charnoe.
That was 22 years ago.

So, I seemed to be on this guided path,
where I learned about spiritual and social orientations and practices,
that I needed to become more and more awakened
to the possibilities, that my teacher would present, when I was ready.

I have been on a crash-course of the secular / spiritual ever since.
We feel that there isn't a whole lot of time left,
before there are major changes in the world -
perhaps devastating for some, perhaps transformational for others.
We just believe that we need to change as much as we can,
as fast as we can to encounter the future gracefully.

So there you have it.
(This is a short version.)

I'm very interested to know about your experiences
and how you ended up in Japan.

All the best to you in your quest, thank you for writing.
I look forward to further exchange, when and as . . . ,
Jennifer

posted by ecohealth2003 at 2:53 pm (EST) on Nov 16, 2009

Dear picklesan (Al Hunting):

Thank you for your comment / question.
This is Jennifer's spouse speaking.
I studied Taoism in a university course.
I have memorized:
There is no greater sin than desire
no greater curse than discontent
no greater misfortune than wanting something for one's self.

and

The Tao that can be uttered is not the eternal Tao

I knew Alan Watts.
We both wrote for a common publication: Harbinger.

I studied Zen meditation.
I have the annoted text:
Zen's Core, Ikku's Freedom

I am a physicist.
You can see much of my writing at http://ecophysics.org.

Warms,
Zee

posted by ecohealth2003 at 12:49 pm (EST) on Nov 16, 2009

Hello picklesan (Al):

My husband, Zeera (Zee) Charnoe, and I joined librarything a few days ago.
I've been reading the posts you made at the Humanities group topics.

We have a friend, Honshin. He has an art studio in Sedona, Arizona.
http://www.honshin.com/
Honshin and his father are Zen monks.
His father spends six months of every year, in Japan.

I am helped by everything Zee has ever written or spoken.
His source of inspiration offers purpose and hope for the soul.
I have had the pleasure of being his student, partner and assistant for 21+ years.
Zee has taught and studied gnosis, gnostic writings, Huna, Zen, Zen meditation, Tibetan Buddhism, hypnosis,
and a wide range of subjects and disciplines.
He was a physics professor of optics and acoustics, in Denmark.
He has been the CEO of numerous organizations dedicated
to environmental products and services (Life Essential Systems).

There are tens of thousands of pages
of short writings and short books at his website:
http://ecophysics.org

There are four actual books there,
with numerous more writings and books in process:

1. What Life Is and What Life Is For

2. Anaclysm

3. The Soul of a Poet-Philosopher
(poetry and short stories)

4. Language, Literacy and Intelligence:
Made For Each Other ! ? (1986 thesis) (draft)

There are also hundreds of audio recordings
of lectures, meditations and hypnosis scripts,
that are available on DVD's,
and are played (and archived) at a webcast:
ANACLYSM radio program
www.blogtalkradio.com

We live a very quiet, secluded life,
surrounded by plants and books.
We very much like to exchange
with others of like mind,
who seek to connect to a greater scheme.

Thank you kindly for your attention.

Jennifer (ecohealth2003)

posted by ecohealth2003 at 6:45 pm (EST) on Nov 15, 2009

Oh is it..

Nice to meet you

So I will have to check for some other site where I can borrow. Anyways many thanks for the information.

posted by NaveenchandraBK at 10:03 am (EST) on Jun 15, 2009