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1veritasny7 First Message
Sep 24, 2006, 2:42pm Top

I hope he is secretly alive.

What does everyone think?

Nice to meet everyone. I am Ken, 35/m/nyc

-ciao

2aluvalibri
Sep 24, 2006, 3:44pm Top

Hi Ken,
I believe Dumbledore is very much alive and his pretended death was a way to disappear and be able to help Harry in a more productive way. All done with Snape's help, of course.
What do you think?

Paola :-))

3AlannaSmithee
Sep 24, 2006, 5:51pm Top

Yep, yep ... alive, or something like. There's a reason his pet is a phoenix, in my opinion. And, yes, I also agree it was done with Snape's help - although after rereading the series this summer, I'm not as sure as I was that his help was given willingly.

Perhaps I just want to believe Dumbledore's alive. *blush*

4veritasny7
Sep 24, 2006, 7:02pm Top

Great idea!! I never thought that Snape could have been in on it. I hope that happens.

5xicanti
Sep 24, 2006, 7:42pm Top

I hope he's alive, (the way I see it, it would've been absurdly easy for him to fake his death, given his talents), but I'd hope that if JKR does bring him back she does it in a tasteful way that still takes into account how horrified everyone was when he died. (That was a horrible sentence; I apologize and hope y'all can tell what I mean).

Either way, though, I think Snape was in on the death/faked death. I'm certain there's a lot more behind his "support" for Voldemort than meets the eye. Harry thinks that Dumbledore trusted Snape because he showed remorse when the Potters were murdered, but I don't believe Dumbledore would trust someone to such a great extent without a lot more proof than that.

6waiting4morning
Sep 24, 2006, 9:09pm Top

As much as I miss Dumbledore, I don't think he's alive. JKR already said that he's dead and that he's not going to "pull a Gandalf" on us.

I think his death was necessary. Painful, but necessary to Harry's progression as the story's Hero. With Dumbly around, Harry is never going to have to face Voldemort alone, there's always going to be someone to protect him and the Hero can't have that.

Here's an essay I found awhile back that explained my thoughts on this in a much more coherent way: On Heroes and Mentors: Why Dumbledore had to Die.

7tardis
Sep 24, 2006, 10:59pm Top

Nope. Dead dead dead. Not coming back. Pushing up daisies. He is an ex-wizard.

I wish it weren't so, but his portrait's on the wall in the headmaster's office, and they had the big funeral and all.

Snape's going to die too. Either he is evil and deserves it (which is what I think) or he is still on the good side and remorse will lead him to sacrifice himself (unlikely but possible IMHO).

8tygerlilli
Sep 25, 2006, 12:17pm Top

As much as I would want to see him come back again, I think he won't. At least not as the Dumbledore we know. It seems to me that Rowling wants Harry to face this last challenge without a safety net.

9Rickmaniac
Sep 25, 2006, 1:39pm Top

Hi Ken,
I have grown, as have most readers, to truly love Dumbledore. (although I prefer Richard Harris to Michael Gambon as the movie character - Gambon doesn't instill that fatherly tenderness that Harris could convey) Even though I love him, I think he is definately gone. Rowling hasn't shown us that anyone can come back from the beyond, and although Gandalf came shining back in all his glory in Lord of the Rings, I don't think that will be the case for Dumbledore. I hope I'm wrong! I think she has set up the final book so that Harry has to face these horrors alone. Dumbledore was very instrumental in teaching Harry so much in HBP, that Harry will have to sort out how to deal with Voldemort. Again, maybe I'm wrong, but my instincts say he's truly dead.

Take care, Lisa

10Tane
Sep 25, 2006, 2:26pm Top

He could always do an Obi Wan Kenobi and come back as a shiney blue ghost? :-)

I think he's dead, but I don't want him to be. If JKR does bring him back in book 7, she's going to have to do something really special for it not to be a complete sell out. However, he is closely connected to the phoenix (as Pisces says), so maybe he'll be "re-born" some how?

11lunalovegood First Message
Sep 25, 2006, 7:30pm Top

nope, sorry guys but if j.k ses that he is dead than he is, i wish it were not so but i beleive that it is

12RuneFirestar
Oct 11, 2006, 8:48pm Top

In my heart of hearts i don't want to believe that he is dead but I think he is and I don;t believe he will come back.

Although, he might be a ghost?

13suge
Dec 16, 2006, 8:19pm Top

I think that he will, and having died he will come back even more powerful than before, not having the same constraints as mortals.

In the least I know that we will hear from him, even if its only thru his portrait, that as we all remember was asleep in Magonagal's office at the end of HBP.

14100pph
Jan 1, 2007, 1:03am Top

Though stedily being convinced that he is dead, my book club came up with a theory. Please tell me if this is conpleatly imposible...

Dumbledore had a Horox made out of love, and placed it in the Pheonix. He is always talking about love and how it is more powerful than hatred. And we saw the shape of a pheonix in the fire of his tomb.
So Dumbeldore has a horox of love and knowing that You-Know-Who was going to have Snape kill him Sumbeldore made Snape make an unbreakable vow to kill him when teh time came that way Snape's life would be spared and he knew he wold be able to come back.

am I making any sense?

15booksrgr8
Jan 2, 2007, 10:46pm Top

As much as we would like for Dumbledore to be alive, JK Rowling herself says that Dumbledore is indeed dead. That doesn't mean he won't be able to provide additional assistance to Harry... his portrait is already hanging in the headmaster's office.

16DeusExLibris
Jan 3, 2007, 12:24am Top

As much as I want to believe he's still around, its just a pipe dream. He may be a unregistered animagus, but he couldn't be fawkes, as we've seen multiple instances of him being in the room with Fawkes at the same time. Plus there's the whole matter of how he survived the pyrotechnics at his funeral, IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE SCHOOL. Not to mention the fact that his portrait is on the wall, which is really the final nail in the "secretly alive" theory, as these portraits seem to magically appear upon the death of each headmaster of Hogwarts.

17DeusExLibris
Jan 3, 2007, 12:27am Top

Number 13, I think you've read LoTR one to many times. Rowling has said Dumbledore won't come back, and I seem to remember her even specifying that he wasn't going to "pull a Gandalf."

18notmyrealname
Jan 3, 2007, 6:12am Top

Nope, dead. I think Dumbledore knew all along that he needed Snape to kill him (for whatever reason, which I hope we find out). This is why he never gave Snape the job as teacher in Defence Against Dark Arts, as Dumbledore himself points out that no Dark Arts teacher has survived more than a year since Voldemort wanted the job. Why? No idea. But that's what I think!

19grkmwk
Jan 3, 2007, 12:38pm Top

notmyrealname, I really like your theory that Dumbledore kept Snape out of the DADA position not out of punishment, mistrust, or control, but rather to ensure Snape's continued presence (and ultimate survival, perhaps) at Hogwarts, as Dumbledore knew that he would likely need Snape to act as a secret agent against Voldemort in the future. I personally believe that Snape is good, and that Dumbledore's pleading appeal to Snape on the tower was not an appeal for having his life spared, but rather a signal to Snape that the time had come for him to uphold a bargain made to Dumbledore to not reveal his true allegiance at the wrong time.

20notmyrealname
Jan 5, 2007, 10:41pm Top

Bingo. I agree completely. The way it worked out, Snape hasn't betrayed the Unbreakable Vow/Oath (can't remember) and will have gained the complete trust of Voldemort.

21darkstream
Jan 5, 2007, 11:31pm Top

I think this is part of Dumbledore's plan. The "Please" was meant to encourage Snape to go through with it. I don't think Dumbledore planned on dying but it certainly was a contingency plan. If Snape was truly evil as opposed to being simply a nasty man with a lousy personality he would have taken time to end Harry's life as well instead of running off.

22Stuff-Nonsense
Jan 7, 2007, 10:40pm Top

I agree with the "dead, dead, dead" group - for all the reasons above - especially the stripping away of support so that Harry at last faces Voldemort with the love and knowledge of his mentors, but not their physical presence.

Dumbledore's familiar is a phoenix, Ffawkes, who is reborn out of the ashes. It may be possible that a literal baby Dumbledore is going to be born, or it may be a more figurative rebirth - Harry is Dumbledore's son in some respects, and Harry will keep D. alive as long as he is alive.

Which brings me to the question - do you think Harry will survive Book 7?

23Kerian First Message
Jan 9, 2007, 10:47pm Top

Responding to 100pph (message 14),

How did you get that out of HBP? I think Dumbledore established his feeling that to create a horox would be a terrible crime. Do you feel he would want to do this? Commit murder?

Responding to Stuff-Nonsense (message 22),

I think the book will end much in the way it began - without Harry's narrative. My personal opinion rests that Harry wont survive book 7, but will accomplish his tasks in it.

General Reponse:

I'm glad someone pointed out that JKR had said she wouldn't pull a Gandalf. On another note, I would absolutely feel that Dumbledore were dead had HBP not left so many questions proving doubt. Between Dumbeldore's behavior on his last day, his relationship with Snape, his mysterious brother, and the events at his funeral, I feel he is alive, but not well. I support Dumbledore's possibly having made an unbreakable vow with Snape, and am considering perhaps previous to Snape's making one with Mrs. Malfoy.

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