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Edited: Feb 13, 2008, 2:33pm Top

I've hacked together some badges for libraries like Thomas Jefferson and Sylvia Plath. This will get them out of the "LibraryThing Authors" pile, something which has bothered some people.

Here's the author one:

And here are some upcoming ones:


1. I'm not sure about colors. The current author color is yellow. I think it's too strong.
2. Don't worry, we're not going to let bookstores upload their whole inventory, but we want to give them pages if they want.

Feb 13, 2008, 2:34pm Top

Nice look, although I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what a Library Library might be!

Feb 13, 2008, 2:36pm Top

I assumed a Library Library was a real libraries catalog?

Feb 13, 2008, 2:36pm Top

It's a library library!

Feb 13, 2008, 2:39pm Top

It's a library library! (Yes to 3 above.)

Feb 13, 2008, 2:40pm Top

So what's the difference between "real library" and "library library"?

Feb 13, 2008, 2:42pm Top

4 letters? ;)

Feb 13, 2008, 2:44pm Top

Library Library => Building with books inside, run by local government, school or college!

Feb 13, 2008, 2:45pm Top

You seem to be stuck on that...

Feb 13, 2008, 3:05pm Top

I like the current yellow much more than these yellows. I prefer solid colours in general.

Feb 13, 2008, 3:06pm Top

I'm just resistant to change, but I like the the LT Author in yellow. Trying to convince authors to "come get their shiny yellow button" sounds much better than "come get your pale-ish green button".

Also, oh my goodness, you guys are such teases! What the heck is a Real Library?

Feb 13, 2008, 3:12pm Top

You prefer 'em like this?

Feb 13, 2008, 3:14pm Top

Personally, I like the yellow for the LT Authors. Use the green on the special/dead libraries

Feb 13, 2008, 3:17pm Top

This one's a real tease.

Edited: Feb 13, 2008, 3:21pm Top

>14 timspalding: You, sir, are evil. Evil, I say!

>12 timspalding: I do like those better, although the white LT is a little hard to read on the yellow - maybe a pixel-width border of the dark grey around the letters?

Feb 13, 2008, 3:22pm Top

I don't know, I think the muted colors are easier to read...

Feb 13, 2008, 3:31pm Top

You prefer 'em like this?

Certainly not that shade of green, and maybe a slightly darker yellow, but in principle, yes.

Feb 13, 2008, 3:31pm Top

I like these, though like others I am confused about the distinction between "real library" and "library library".

If you're asking for votes on the various options, I like:

"Legacy Library" for the first type, and "Library library" for the second. I very much don't like "real library".

Also the "government, school, or college" definition of "Library library" would seem to preclude considering community or organizational libraries like Quatrefoil_library as "real". Is that intentional?

Feb 13, 2008, 3:35pm Top

No, sorry. There's no difference between real library and library library. I'm trying out names.

Similarly, Dead Worthy, Special Library, Library, etc. I want to find the best term. I think I'm in the minority, but I favor "Dead Worthy." Second choice, "Legacy Library."

Feb 13, 2008, 3:38pm Top

I like Dead Worthy, but I'm afraid we'd get complaints that it's too tacky or something...

I vote for Legacy Library.

Feb 13, 2008, 3:40pm Top

I vote for Legacy Library.

I don't like "Dead Worthy"; it sounds as though you are saying they deserve to be dead! (Yes, I know you mean "worthy" as a noun, but the other meaning jumped out at me, and likely would to others.)

Special or Special Library don't have the connotation of a dead author. (And, after all, aren't all our libraries special, at least to ourselves?)

Feb 13, 2008, 3:40pm Top

Dead Worthy! it ain't tacky, though maybe tactless...


Feb 13, 2008, 3:55pm Top

I like the earlier versions. The current ones hurt my precious eyes. This green is more agreeable than the yellow. Of course, I really like the 'Legacy Library', but I can't help noticing it covers up a lot of the LT. What about just 'Legacy'? What about curving the word 'legacy' across the top and 'library' across the bottom with a little overlap? I know it's harder to do, but it may look good.

Feb 13, 2008, 3:55pm Top

I vote for Legacy Library.

Feb 13, 2008, 4:01pm Top

I prefer a neutral term like "Legacy Library". If someone does Caligula or Herman Goering, we wouldn't be dubbing them "worthies" or "immortals".

Feb 13, 2008, 4:23pm Top

If we can't have ex-parrot, I'll go with Legacy Library.

Feb 13, 2008, 4:30pm Top

Good point about Goering. I'm not sure we should go that way, though. We don't want to upset people the way Time does every time they choose an evil Man of the Year.

Feb 13, 2008, 4:41pm Top

>25 Larxol:, 27
I could get all indignant and demand you stop maligning my (distant) relative, but yep, he pretty much sucked.

Feb 13, 2008, 5:26pm Top

Special Library has a different meaning within library science (the community or organizational of 18), so I'd prefer to exclude that one.

Feb 13, 2008, 5:26pm Top

I prefer the stronger colors in message 12 but leave the LT Author yellow.

Feb 13, 2008, 5:50pm Top

I think we're going with Legacy Library. The LT Author button has already changed (see here)

Feb 13, 2008, 6:02pm Top

Cool. Legacy Library it is! If we're still debating colors, I think I prefer the light blue for the Legacies ...

Feb 13, 2008, 7:08pm Top

I don't think much of Legacy Library. Still struggling to come up with something better, though. Back Catalogue? Obit. Lit.? Past Shelves? Their Words Live On? Spirit Reading?

Feb 13, 2008, 7:15pm Top


Feb 13, 2008, 7:20pm Top

> 33: Back Catalogue?

Offsite storage? Remaindered?

Actually, I liked "Dead Worthy" -- precisely because there's a bit of wiggle room there for the ones who are worthy of being dead. Of the actually viable choices, I like "Legacy Library", because of the specific LS connotations of "Special Library".

Feb 13, 2008, 8:07pm Top

Special Library has a different meaning within library science (#29)

I was gonna mention this and you beat me to it! (And my knowledge of library science is limited to what I figured out by being a librarian's daughter.)

Feb 13, 2008, 8:53pm Top

31: Hey, decisions were made before I had time to put in my 2 cents! *indignant stomp* lol j/k

I LOVE "Legacy Library", it just sounds so... *can't think of the word*. It just sounds great.

As for the colors..... Gah. I don't really care. I think the bright-yellow stands out more, and therefore might be better. But as long as it's not hotpink, I don't usually have color preferences. lol

Feb 13, 2008, 9:32pm Top

I'm just glad that Abby didn't mount another campaign for "cranberry." (shiver)

Feb 13, 2008, 9:59pm Top

Whatever, you love your cranberry t-shirt. You *wish* the whole site was in cranberry.

Feb 13, 2008, 10:06pm Top

"Cranberry"? Did we miss something?

Feb 13, 2008, 10:25pm Top

The more muted colors in message 1 don't jump out at you quite as much, but they would probably look better in context than the brighter ones in 12. The overall design of the site isn't really a bright primary colors sort of look.

Feb 14, 2008, 1:08am Top

I have to agree with dressel. I think the muted tones in the first message match the rest of the site much better and are less jarring overall. Especially the yellow.

Edited: Feb 14, 2008, 2:12am Top

The LT Legacy button is much more easy on the eye than the yellow one (even I don't normally like brown). The yellow is just too...uhm, yellow. Is it possible to change it to the yellow displayed in #1?

edited: I have a crappy screen. Perhaps its just not displaying the yellow tone the right way

Feb 14, 2008, 2:20am Top

I made legacy more crispy-paper-y. I'm interested in what others thing about the intensity of the yellow. I have a laptop screen, so everything looks washed out.

Feb 14, 2008, 2:29am Top

Ok, I went to our company designer, she has one of these true-color (I think they are called like that) screens. On her screen it is also pretty intensive compared to the rest of the page.

Feb 14, 2008, 2:31am Top

Tim, the legacy thing you did on Jefferson's page looks great. Just using the word "legacy" without "library" was a good choice.

Thanks for the continued great work.

Feb 14, 2008, 2:32am Top

I'm on a laptop too and even then it still looks VERY yellow. I think the washed out look suits LT better.

Feb 14, 2008, 2:38am Top

>43 timspalding:
In both cases the badge color clashes a bit with the green background of the box it's in, at least on my monitor. The LT Legacy one is pretty good, though - it's close enough to a good fit to be within the range of monitor variation, and the brown goes well with the box immediately above.

The LT Author badge isn't as good - if you want a strong color, the green in #12 might be better than the yellow (especially if nudged a bit towards blue). Or a dark red might work too.

Feb 14, 2008, 3:10am Top

>45 timspalding:
I like the Legacy button a lot. Um, is it just my laptop screen or does it have a bit of a texture to it? Is that what you meant by crispy paper, or were you just referring to color?

Also, I agree with the comments that the yellow is just a bit too yellow. Very vivid. Very.

Still, neato overall! Yay!

Feb 14, 2008, 4:24am Top

I really like the Legacy version. The other...well, yellow just isn't my favorite, but I don't really care because I am not planning to become an LT author.

Just wondering though - why do they both look lopped off on the top?

Feb 14, 2008, 7:43am Top

Guess I got used to the old stand-out yellow but I rather like it standing out. That said, the Legacy button is great looking.

Feb 14, 2008, 9:24am Top

43 > love the Legacy button, the other one looks nice but the color is a little bright. Like it's been mentioned before the colors a more washed out on my LCD vs the CRT. I probably need to adjust my LCD.

Feb 14, 2008, 9:36am Top

I like both of 'em!

Edited: Feb 14, 2008, 9:41am Top

Me too. If anything, the brown looks a little, well, dull.

Feb 14, 2008, 10:38am Top

I love the Legacy button.

The yellow on the new LT Author button is fine (a little bright, but okay IMHO) but I was unfortunately distracted by the picture of Axel the dog (who is considerably more attractive than any button would be...)

Feb 14, 2008, 1:13pm Top

I like the yellow on the Author button. It should be attention-grabbing.

Edited: Feb 14, 2008, 1:25pm Top

Thanks for all the help, guys. I appreciate it. I made some slight changes. I muted the yellow very slightly and made the legacy brownish less muted. I added a slight "inner glow."

Feb 14, 2008, 1:55pm Top

When your done modifying the buttons you want to fix them in the author cloud? basically all authors either have author buttons or none do depending on who was the last author added to your catalog.


BTW like the new yellow better.

Feb 14, 2008, 9:13pm Top

There's something I don't like about the LT Author badge, though I'm not entirely sure what it is. I think either the LT border or the circle border isn't defined enough.

Feb 15, 2008, 6:26am Top

There is something I don't like about them: they are not easily translated. Usually, texts in images are a bad practice in a multilanguage site, because you need an image per language, and that is something most users can't make by themselves.

Feb 15, 2008, 10:59pm Top

That's a very good point. I don't now, however, if I can make something that works right here. Interesting.

Feb 16, 2008, 5:45am Top

Ver interesting... Now we all can translate the texts in the images, or at least, anyone that feels confortable working with images can.

However, what will be the procedure to translate an image? I don't think that putting the images back to the wiki, waiting for you to look at them, is feasible.

How about a new page, "Image translations", where we can put the translated images of the site? That would be wonderful.

Feb 16, 2008, 9:57am Top

I think the answer here is that I use a combination of a blank badge an the ability to translate HTML text which falls over the image. I think I can do that and will try. I'm not looking forward to 20 language versions of an image.

Feb 16, 2008, 11:41am Top

Yes, that is the simpler solution, but that doesn't allow you to have beautiful texts in "Thomas Paine-Regular", like, for example, the "What's on your bookshelf?" text.

Anyway, I feel confortable with texts in normal fonts but translated.

Feb 16, 2008, 5:16pm Top

Yeah. We need a FEW such images, but the more we have the more complex everything gets.

Feb 17, 2008, 7:03am Top

Sheesh Tim, take some leadership. Pick an image and a colour and run with it. Get on with Collections and I-pod extractions!


Feb 17, 2008, 2:11pm Top

Thank you for your input about not accepting input.

Feb 17, 2008, 2:40pm Top

69: lol!

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