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1timspalding
Edited: Jan 19, 2011, 10:38pm Top

I've added the ability to see and edit Common Knowledge edits across languages.

You can check it out on Harry Potter: http://www.librarything.com/work/5403381

Or see the screenshot:


Clicking on "Catalan" brings up the Catalan CK edits.



Needless to say, if you're in the Catalan site, you get the Catalan ones by default, and click to see the English ones.

Click "X more" to edit CK for all the other LibraryThing languages.

Where this is going: This is the first of two-three CK changes I am pushing forward on, all related to languages. This exposes the situation and is, I think, a good idea on balance.

But it also exposes the problem—extending CK across LT languages is a bear. We've discussed various solutions in the past. I will be pushing one of them through as soon as I can do it.

NB: I haven't extended it to the CK subpage on work pages. For some reason they use a completely different function. I need to grab some of Chris' time to figure out why that is.
PS: Who on earth convinced the Catalans that the chronological order was the right order for Narnia! :)

2KingRat
Jan 19, 2011, 10:37pm Top

Huzz-effin-zah!

3sqdancer
Jan 19, 2011, 10:47pm Top

Excellent!

4keristars
Jan 19, 2011, 10:47pm Top

Very cool!

Will this work for authors, too?

5circeus
Jan 19, 2011, 11:00pm Top

Oh My FRICKIN GOD.

This is SO GREAT. I upload mostly stuff in French. Now I can do so without having to log out!

6lilithcat
Jan 19, 2011, 11:39pm Top

Wow! That's amazing! You guys are the best. Seriously.

7timspalding
Edited: Jan 19, 2011, 11:53pm Top

Okay, I thought this would take a lot more time. But here's another change:

New Features: Languages in Common Knowledge #2: "Borrowing" data between languages
http://www.librarything.com/topic/107853

Note: Neither feature extends to authors yet. I want to fix bugs before I spread the feature too widely.

8brightcopy
Jan 20, 2011, 12:54am Top

This is great news! Kudos.

9Heather19
Jan 20, 2011, 1:28am Top

... I totally thought this was a bug when I saw it. Good thing I checked here before posting a bug report!

The reason I thought it was a bug: For works that don't have any CK data, it shows "— 49 more". Which makes sense if you know it's supposed to be listing language-data... not so much if you don't know that. It just says "49 more", not *what* the 49 more is or why it's there. It looks very, very out of place and confusing that way. Any way to change what shows up when the work has no CK?

10timspalding
Jan 20, 2011, 1:40am Top

Yeah. I got rid of it entirely if there's no data.

11_Zoe_
Jan 20, 2011, 8:51am Top

Thanks! Will you be making non-language CK improvements in the near future as well? (I'm particularly hoping for better search options, which you had said was something you want to do.)

12lilithcat
Jan 20, 2011, 9:02am Top

I don't know if this is related to the change, or if it's a fluke (because I don't see it elsewhere), but in the "series" field for What Maisie Knew, I'm seeing this error message: Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/html/commonknowledge/inc_fwiki.php on line 1378

13anglemark
Jan 20, 2011, 9:16am Top

I had that error all day (on the Swedish site) but it just went away for me. I started a bug thread about it.

14geitebukkeskjegg
Jan 20, 2011, 9:34am Top

It's the 20th of January, and Christmas Day has already arrived. Thank you!

15Talvitar
Jan 20, 2011, 9:35am Top

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

16gilroy
Jan 20, 2011, 9:45am Top

Only quirk I see -

Doesn't matter what language, I always have to click "See More" to edit. This includes my default (English). Not sure if that matters.

17saltmanz
Jan 20, 2011, 11:30am Top

16> I get that too, in IE: all of the CK info is hidden until you expand the language list. It works just fine in Chrome, though.

18timspalding
Edited: Jan 20, 2011, 12:31pm Top

>16 gilroy:, 17

Damn. Okay, going in.

19brightcopy
Edited: Jan 20, 2011, 2:38pm Top

I predict Tim will say "Oh sorry. I'll fix that."

20timspalding
Jan 20, 2011, 12:20pm Top

Oh, sorry. I'll fix that.

21lorax
Jan 20, 2011, 12:23pm Top

18>

The basic rule for CK on split authors is to have it apply to the largest author, which should also be the number 1 author. This doesn't change site-to-site.


Really? That's a rather significant change from the previously stated rule, which was to have CK for split authors only if one was significantly larger than the rest; if one had 600 copies, and another had 20, then it was fine to fill it in, but if one had 600 and another 500, it should be left blank, because to do otherwise would put wrong data in front of a significant number of people. Should we change this, so that now even if it's close, majority still wins?

22guurtjesboekenkast
Jan 20, 2011, 6:33pm Top

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23timspalding
Jan 22, 2011, 8:05am Top

Open/Closed CK now fixed.

24timspalding
Jan 23, 2011, 1:07am Top

Fixed a bug related to Author CK. Check out the thread, which asks for help.
http://www.librarything.com/topic/108110

25writer1314
Jan 29, 2011, 5:27am Top

This is a language related difficulty which I may be posting in the wrong place, if so I appologise.

I have reached a point in my "adding books" where I want to add to my library a large number of older books. Some are related to Scots Gaelic language stories but the books have passages of text in English. Some are dual text (page in Gaelic - facing page is English translation and some are purely in Gaelic (Scots not Irish) and were published as such (no English in them at all). Most are 19th century some are early 20th century some are 18th century.

The Primary Language box makes no allowance for Gaelic (not one of the choices). Is there some way I can enter text in the language box myself? There is no point me entering these books into my library if the detail says they're English texts when they're not.

I would appreciate a 'steer' as to where I should post this question if this is the wrong place.

26Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 29, 2011, 5:34am Top

You can actually put Gaelic in any of the three language boxes (primary, secondary, and original). But it's not in the short list - you will have to click "show all languages" (below each of those boxes).

(Strictly not the right place, since that's "edit book" language instead of CK language. But never mind).

27writer1314
Jan 29, 2011, 5:45am Top

Thank you.

28Nicole_VanK
Jan 29, 2011, 6:02am Top

Glad I could help.

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