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London: A Pilgrimage, by Gustave Doré

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1Sand_Man
Jun 3, 2011, 7:01am Top

I received an ad in the mail yesterday for EP's newest LE, "London: A Pilgrimage", by Gustave Doré. It doesn't appear to be on their website yet... but I am sure many of you received the same mailing. What are everyone's first impressions?

2Goran
Jun 3, 2011, 12:55pm Top

>1 Sand_Man:

Unfortunately many of us do not get these LE mailings for some reason. Anyway you could scan and post the flyer for the rest of us?

3SilentInAWay
Jun 3, 2011, 3:32pm Top

please!

4Sand_Man
Jun 3, 2011, 7:51pm Top

Would be happy to! Will post it shortly...

5Sand_Man
Jun 4, 2011, 9:02am Top

Here's the front:

6Sand_Man
Jun 4, 2011, 9:03am Top

And the back:

7WinterGloaming
Jun 4, 2011, 9:22am Top

Thanks for the scans, looks like a very nice volume indeed, though again fortunatly for me and my wallet not interested in this DLE. Which is fine by me, they seem to be keeping up a decent pace in getting them out on the market.

8Tom41
Jun 4, 2011, 9:49am Top

>6 Sand_Man: What is the cost and what is the item number?

9astropi
Jun 4, 2011, 11:17am Top

EP really seems to be hitting hitting Dore hard, and I'm quite happy about that! We had Crusades (sold out), and Divine Comedy (will sell out) and now London! Fantastic... the book looks quite large. If I had to guess a price I would say $400.

10Sand_Man
Jun 4, 2011, 5:46pm Top

It's an impressive 11 3/4" x 14 3/4", 328 pages. And it costs $496.

11Sand_Man
Jun 4, 2011, 6:00pm Top

And I think the item number is 2777.

12Tom41
Jun 4, 2011, 7:32pm Top

Thank you for the info.

13UK_History_Fan
Aug 13, 2011, 12:47pm Top

Does anyone have any updates on this book? Is EP still planning to produce? Any info on a ship date? I keep getting inconsistent stories from Customer Service.

14SilentInAWay
Aug 13, 2011, 12:54pm Top

Yes -- the book will be produced and is expected to be ready for shipment on November 25th.

Those who have pre-ordered must confirm their order by August 21st to avoid cancellation.

15UK_History_Fan
Jan 23, 2012, 8:59pm Top

I received my copy of this today. And since I am one of the most vocal critics of the recent decline in Easton Press quality, I have to say that I had absolutely no issues with this volume in terms of production flaws. It was exactly as it should be. I looked especially hard for the usual culprits (silver overspray, banged up corners, different color leather peeking through, etc.).

I remember receiving a letter a few months back asking me to reconfirm my order for this set as "quality issues" had delayed production. I am only speculating here, but my assumption is that they were having problems with the type and color of leather they were using. The marketing brochure shows a more rich burgundy color than the final book product (yes, I know, post pictures, I will this weekend if no one beats me to it) which can only be described as a stronger hue of brown than burgundy. I was expecting something akin to Ovid or Aesop but instead it is more milky and brown. Also, it is a super smooth leather as has been common with these DLEs and not the heavily grained or textured leather pictured in the brochure. This observation in addition to the startling fact that the book color is rather drastically different from the slipcase (when they look to be the same color in the brochure above) leads me to jump to the purely speculative conclusion that they were continuing to have problems with the leather previously used and replaced it from a different source or a different grade and most certainly with a different color. Again, my guess is that the slipcases had already been manufactured and rather than throw them all away and start over, EP decided to still use them despite the color shade difference from the accompanying book.

The boards are very thick similar to the Ovid and quite pleasing in that regard. The spine has nicely indented gold gilt stamping, I do not have concerns that it has been merely oversprayed on and will wear easily with time. This is actually one of the better quality productions of stamping I've seen from EP recently. Although it was never promised in the marketing materials, I think this volume could have benefitted from the inside cover stamping (Florentine?) found in several other DLE sets (Lincoln, Three Musketeers, Gulliver, etc). The marbled endpapers were perhaps my biggest disappointment with the design of this volume. They are just simply boring and bleh. The color is nothing like the loveliness and vividness of the Aesop volumes (my personal favorite). They are not even as brilliant and bold as the somewhat maligned Prince and Pauper. They are just uninspired and uninteresting and rather subdued shades of brown.

But let's face it, we bought this not because we were dying for another EP DLE but because it contained the incomparable illustrations of Gustave Dore, one of if not my all-time favorite illustrator (yes, still kicking myself for passing on the Crusades volumes when they were still available! Hell, I even bought the waste-of-money Raven!!!!). The illustrations are copious throughout the volume and not just the elaborate full-page presentations that people will focus on but the smaller in-text illustrations throughout. I am very pleased with the quantity of these, and with the lovely opaque pearlescent cover in front of each full-page Dore illustration with the caption for the picture written on it (very similar if not exactly like those found in Romance of King Arthur). My only complaint here, and it is a substantial one, is that I wish the Dore reproductions were of a higher quality with more distinction and vividness. I noticed this same issue with the EP DLE Dore's Divine Comedy, so perhaps it was "blurry" in the original source, but for this price, they could have been of a higher quality and clarity since that is the main point of the volume (to me at least). It still leaves one with the distinct impression of a large-volume mass production type book rather than a carefully crafted fine press edition.

Overall: B

Quality Control: A
Design: B
Illustrations: B-
Price-to-value: C

16kdweber
Jan 23, 2012, 9:19pm Top

>15 UK_History_Fan: Thank you for the very informative review. I'm still up in the air with regards to this DLE.

17UK_History_Fan
Edited: Jan 26, 2012, 8:30pm Top

Also, please bear in mind those grades are relative to the other DLEs and not to a standard hardback book. Obviously the DLEs would always rate an A or Excellent when compared to those. So my conclusion is that it is above average for a DLE but NOT in the best of the best category.

18busywine
Jan 26, 2012, 2:46pm Top

Got mine delivered today. Beautiful book. No quality issues. Will post a bunch of pictures soon on B&V.

19UK_History_Fan
Jan 26, 2012, 8:30pm Top

> 18
As usual, your contributions and sharing pics are much appreciated. Thanks for saving me the trouble!

20busywine
Jan 26, 2012, 11:41pm Top

>19 UK_History_Fan:, maybe I can borrow your comments which, as usual, are spot on!

21Quicksilver66
Jan 27, 2012, 4:39am Top

Great to hear there are no quality issues. Hopefully those issues will all be past history now.

22UK_History_Fan
Jan 27, 2012, 7:59am Top

> 20 Beg, borrow, or steal, no matter to me so long as you continue posting book pictures especially of editions I'll never find at a price I can afford!

23kdweber
Jan 30, 2012, 8:26pm Top

After much deliberation, I decided to pass on this DLE and go with the full size 1978 facsimile by the Arno Press which can be had for under $50. The downsides are no leather cover and no slipcover. On the plus side the engravings are really well reproduced and the cost can't be beaten.

24UK_History_Fan
Jan 30, 2012, 11:30pm Top

> 23
And where did you find this gem? It wouldn't surprise me if the illustrations are superior in reproduction quality to the DLE.

25astropi
Jan 31, 2012, 10:39am Top

23,24: I am curious as to what the Arno Press edition is like. I don't think it's fair to say that it will be superior to the EP DLE, because it may very well be inferior. However, I would love to see a comparison of the two so we can decide. I will agree that the price is insanely good. Typically you get what you pay for, but then again sometimes gems go under the radar. So, please post pics when you get it!

26kdweber
Jan 31, 2012, 1:15pm Top

24, 25> I looked at the usual online places and ended up purchasing off of Abe. I also debated at picking up an original 1872 edition which I found for as low as $600 (3/4 leather with marbled boards). I don't have the EP DLE to do a direct comparison but I do own copies of the EP Crusades DLE, the EP Rime of the Ancient Mariner, EP Idylls of the King and the unfortunate EP/Chartwell Poe.

The Arno Press paper is very nice, fairly thick and off white but probably not acid free. The binding is a very plain dark blue cloth with only DORE'S LONDON writen down the spine. There is a dust jacket. The reproductions of the illustrations are at least on a par with those in the Crusades and superior to the other EP editions I own. The book is too large for my scanner and I'm not to good at photographing pages.

27hamletscamaro
Edited: Feb 4, 2012, 4:21pm Top

Okay, I am finally posting pictures since it looks like we have all been too busy since getting this book.

I agree with UK History's review. This is a great book, and also very big. Not as big as Metamorphosis, but larger than Crusades. I do wish they had varied the end paper colors a bit, as it appears a little drab and dull. Quality overall was very good and I couldn't find any exterior issues. My only exterior gripe is that this book has the same issue that many EP editions have; the cover gilt work always appears a bit heavy handed and some of the cover detail gets lost. Illustrations were great. This also has tissue separators between the full page illustrations, and there are also many partial page illustrations throughout the book, so you rarely have a page with just text. However, in the interior, I can clearly see some slight dimpling in the first several pages, and it appears as though someone has lightly creased several pages prior to packaging. Since I know I am the only one who has touched this book when it emerged from the shrink wrap this must have happened at the factory. Not sure if that is a big enough issue for me to return it. Overall I am pleased to add this book to my library and feel it is a relative decent price, maybe it could have been $50 to $100 less expensive.

Here are the pictures, lighting probably could have been better.

















(edited since I always mess up the links on the first try)

28Wootle
Feb 4, 2012, 6:40pm Top

Looks nice, those creased pages sure are unattractive though. I'm glad they went back to the beveled board edges, love those.

29UK_History_Fan
Feb 5, 2012, 1:07am Top

> 27
Thanks for stepping in and posting the pictures since I have been both too busy and too lazy to do it myself. I did almost get the camera out today but it was too overcast to get good pictures in natural light.

I probably would request a replacement based on the dimpling and page creasing that you have shown. This is very similar (though not quite as severe) as the issue I had with Prince & Pauper, and the good folks on here convinced me I was not being unreasonable in asking for a replacement. Also, keep in mind this is a far more expensive book than P&P.

I am curious as to what you thought of the illustration printing clarity/quality. I can't help feeling that the images appear a bit "smudgy" and not as crisp as I might like or expect in a DLE.

Somewhat off topic, but I can't help but admire the table in that first picture. I am a huge fan of polished wood furniture and that tabletop is simple gorgeous!

30Dill_the_Collector
Feb 5, 2012, 9:54pm Top

>27 hamletscamaro:

Lovely pics, thanks.

31Quicksilver66
Feb 6, 2012, 11:55am Top

> 27

That is a beautiful book. I particularly love the title page. Thank you for posting.

I don't think I would be bothered about the slightly wrinkled pages, but each to their own.

32Tugar
Feb 6, 2012, 12:58pm Top

I knew nothing of this book 45 minutes ago. I am ordering it today. Glad I came across this site!

34UK_History_Fan
Feb 7, 2012, 12:59am Top

> 33
Well busywine, you've done it again with a very informative review and I think the most pictures ever of a single volume (but you'd have to confirm that!). I am sure EP should refund your money as you will undoubtedly drive sales of this title.

Keep up the great work!

35hamletscamaro
Feb 7, 2012, 3:42pm Top

>29 UK_History_Fan:, UK, I didn't initially think that the illustrations were smudgy. There are a couple that may be a little dark, but not an issue for me. I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do with the dimpling and the crease. I notice that Busywine's copy also has similar issues, and his edition is much later in the series (not that I know that they are numbered sequentially). So I will look again this weekend and decide if I want to return for a replacement.

Thank you for the compliments on the table. Yes, I tend to like fine wood furniture and antiques. This is one of two Maitland Smith pieces that I have purchased, and the wood work is exceptionally nice. The first picture shows more of the marquetry, the other photos the wood appears darker than it really is due to lack of sunlight and resulting contrast due to the flash. That is the table that my kids aren't allowed to play on. :)

>33 busywine:, Busywine, thank you for the review and the superior photos. One of these days I'll learn to proficiently use my camera. I'm not a natural photographer.

As I said before, I note that you also have a bit of dimpling in your copy, as well as a finger crease in one page. It appears though that this is not bad enough for you to return.

Has anyone else noted dimpling with their copy?

36busywine
Feb 7, 2012, 4:11pm Top

>34 UK_History_Fan:, 35 Thanks! As for the dimpling, I think some of that is just the thickness of the paper that has not been made pliable yet from much use! (If I am looking at what I think you mean). In any case, it does not bother me. The finger crease is probably my own fault, as I am not real gentle of my books, and again, this thick paper tends to not initially be that forgiving :-) Usually, actually goes away. I am afraid to see your response, as maybe I will learn something that will make me want to send half my books back! :-) BTW, have to agree, that table sure looks nice!

37SilentInAWay
Edited: Feb 7, 2012, 8:27pm Top

My initial copy had a warped text block (similar to that shown above, but perhaps more severe). My replacement copy (which I've already received) has the same issue, but it is less severe -- so much so that it may indeed (as busywine suggests in >36 busywine:) disappear over time as the paper becomes more pliable. I can't imagine this type of self-improvement happening with my original (returned) copy of the book, however...

So (short answer): this appears to be a problem that (to greater and lesser extents) is endemic to this printing.

38UK_History_Fan
Feb 7, 2012, 11:50pm Top

> 37
Actually I am afraid it might be endemic to BindTech as I had the exact same problem on my Prince and Pauper. While not completely absent from my replacement copy, the wrinkling was far less pronounced and I was able to live with it. Surprisingly, I don't seem to have any issues with my copy of Dore, but then I have only had it open twice so far. So perhaps a closer inspection is in order.

39hamletscamaro
Feb 7, 2012, 11:57pm Top

>36 busywine:-38, the dimpling that I have noted on my copy is just in the first few pages. The further I get into the book the pages smooth out and I don't see any issues. It would be nice to know who the binder is for each DLE. BeindTech has not had good review in recent posts. Did EP just recently start using BindTech, or have they been using them for years. Anyone know? I know I don't have this issue with my other large DLEs: Crusades, Metamorphosis, Kemscott, KJV, these are all fine.

40DanMat
Feb 8, 2012, 8:22pm Top

Maybe a humidity problem? Tennessee is humid.

41hamletscamaro
Feb 8, 2012, 11:25pm Top

>40 DanMat:, my book is not due to humidity. I am in north Texas, and although we can get humidity here, it is usually a passing occurrence. Plus, I keep a dehumidifier in my Library just to further limit humidity variation (yes, I am a bit anal with my books). This appears to be a binding issue. This looks like binding stress due to slight angular variation in the stitching. That is my best assessment. Again, this is not extreme, and I'm not sure that I will return it yet. I just noted it as a slight issue.

42DanMat
Feb 8, 2012, 11:33pm Top

I was thinking the paper absorbs moisture from humiity when it's at the binder, then dries out during shipment....

43SilentInAWay
Feb 8, 2012, 11:34pm Top

I believe DanMat was referring to BindTech being in Tennessee. Since the shipment of this book was delayed because the first batch of leather covers were not up to snuff, its possible that the text blocks warped slightly while they were in storage waiting to be bound. Pure speculation, of course, but what else can we do? It will be interesting to see if the slight warp in my copy corrects itself over time. (I live in Southern California, where it's rarely humid -- even when it's raining!!)

44SilentInAWay
Feb 8, 2012, 11:34pm Top

Ah...you beat me to it, DM.

45UK_History_Fan
Feb 8, 2012, 11:35pm Top

Again, you have to assess your own comfort level, but at the price, I would want as close to perfection as possible. Don't be reluctant to get a replacement for fear you will seem too "anal" about your books. I imagine that applies to a great number of fellow devotees!

46SilentInAWay
Feb 8, 2012, 11:40pm Top

Agreed. As I mentioned above, I returned my original copy.

47SilentInAWay
Feb 8, 2012, 11:41pm Top

...and I must confirm that, quirks aside, this is a very nice edition.

48hamletscamaro
Feb 9, 2012, 12:02am Top

Thanks, I missed the original point. Yeah, I need to look again this weekend and determine if I will return. Silent, if your second copy was better maybe I will do that.

49SilentInAWay
Feb 9, 2012, 5:53pm Top

Better, yes; perfect, no.

At this point I am, however, quite satisfied.

50astropi
Feb 9, 2012, 11:31pm Top

There are a couple of copies on ebay for a "mere" $875! Why pay full price when you can pay 1.75 times the price? Hmmm...
well anyway, I am certain this edition will sell out soon, so my advice for anyone on the border is to decide soon.

51tag83
Feb 14, 2012, 8:01pm Top

I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure they're hoping to take advantage of people who might not know it's available on the website for much less.

52Tugar
Edited: Mar 3, 2012, 8:53pm Top

Ordered mine. I love Victorian London so this was a no brainer.

53jacques0
Mar 30, 2012, 6:54pm Top

I bought this volume from EP about 3 months ago. I have other EP books and this one is terrific. Every time I take it out of its slipcover I can't help but take a whiff of the cover. Beautiful leather smell. The images in my copy seem extremely sharp and I really enjoy the text. Long a Dickens fan, I move back and forth between my latest C. D. read and this book to make the entire London thing a bit more vivid.

The day after I ordered the book, I kicked myself and asked how I could be so stupid as to order that expensive of a book (yes, I was a bit buzzed at the time I ordered). As soon as it arrived I felt vindicated, and this book has now become something I treasure and for which I wait special times to read.

It is not only an excellent work by a captivating author and excellent artist, but a beautiful example of the bookbinder's art.

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