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1timspalding
Edited: Jun 12, 2011, 9:28pm Top

Blog post: http://www.librarything.com/blogs/librarything/2011/06/recommended-for-you/

Example:



Caveats:

1. It doesn't have a "divot" and can't be moved. I need to talk to ConceptDawg about how a sometimes-appearing work-page element works in his section system.

2. The little number is the position on the list of recommendations. This number is changed by the way recommendations now put series together, but it can be seen on the "Recommendations" subpage for each work. Only the first 20 are considered—as it is, you'll notice some wonkiness. (We only show the first 10 on the main page for a work.)

2_Zoe_
Jun 12, 2011, 9:36pm Top

It would be nice if it compressed books in the same series, like the regular recommendations do.

On the whole it seems interesting and potentially useful, though the fact that this came out of nowhere, presumably without a huge investment of time, really makes me wish you would give us access to other data too.

3timspalding
Jun 12, 2011, 9:37pm Top

>2 _Zoe_:

Yeah. Not a big deal. But it took a major database schema change. I'm doing a lot of that recently. So...

4_Zoe_
Jun 12, 2011, 9:42pm Top

So we can have access to all sorts of new data? :D

5_Zoe_
Jun 12, 2011, 9:45pm Top

Hey, remember this thread?

6timspalding
Jun 12, 2011, 9:47pm Top

This was a quick detour from what I'm trying to work on today—Facebook. Don't distract me!

7_Zoe_
Jun 12, 2011, 9:49pm Top

Okay, back to FB. But maybe you can spare a day sometime for a quick detour to things people have been asking about for ages?

8timspalding
Jun 12, 2011, 9:51pm Top

Like Facebook and Twitter?

Grumble. Okay, I'm off. Working!

9_Zoe_
Jun 12, 2011, 9:54pm Top

Nah, I think that's a longer journey.

10Heather19
Jun 12, 2011, 10:01pm Top

So.... you are working, however "quick detour"-ly, on Recommendations. Does that mean that the multiple Recommendations-based bugs are going to be fixed soon? Please?

11justjim
Edited: Jun 12, 2011, 10:45pm Top

From the blog: It only lists books which you have marked to “include in recommendations.”

I take it this means collections so marked?

If a book is in two collections, do they both have to be so marked?

I freely admit I'm as hungover as ten men, but I'm not seeing this section.

12eromsted
Jun 12, 2011, 11:09pm Top

This is an interesting idea, but I find the presentation confusing.

There has long been a module headed "Librarything recommendations" and below this header are books that LT recommends based on the work page you are looking at.

Now there is a module headed "Recommended for you" with the not particularly more helpful subheading "Recommended for you based on your books..." that lists books from your catalog that form part of the basis for recommending the work whose page you are currently looking at.

So, I figured it out but when I first looked at it I thought, wait, what's recommended for me? Those books are already in my catalog. What's this about?

I'd prefer a flashier "Recommended for you!" sticker at the top of that page that only displays the reasons for the recommendation if you click on it.

13keristars
Edited: Jun 12, 2011, 11:34pm Top

It sounded kind of confusing to me, too, but then I finally found a page with it in action and I kind of see how it works now.

It does make me wish there were a way to see the recommendations I hit "no thanks" for, so I could reverse that if I did it a few years ago, and now my reading tastes have changed... But then, any time something changes regarding the way recommendations are used/displayed, I hope to get a No Thanks List.

14rsterling
Jun 12, 2011, 11:48pm Top

Yeah, I also find the presentation confusing for the same reasons others have mentioned. I do like the idea, though.

Perhaps it would be better as an icon at the top of the page, or a box on the sidebar. Is there some kind of image or icon that could represent "recommended"?

15Lman
Jun 13, 2011, 12:01am Top

Please excuse my clumsiness but where is this new feature exactly?
I can't use Jim's excuse but I can't see this anywhere either...

16keristars
Jun 13, 2011, 12:05am Top

15> For you, look at this work. Most people will see it on different pages.

17eromsted
Jun 13, 2011, 12:14am Top

To see this feature go to your recommendations page and click on any work on the list.

18Keeline
Jun 13, 2011, 1:30am Top

What I like is that Tim's example included a book by a Professor on my Dissertation committee--the 1688 book. I hadn't thought of that book in awhile. Dr. Wills was really nice too. Cool. Now I need to go look at the new feature. :) --Kim

19Lman
Jun 13, 2011, 1:41am Top

O-kay...
thanks.

20royalhistorian
Jun 13, 2011, 5:26am Top

Why a new recommendation feature? Why not improve the existing recommendation feature? I am going to be confused with two sorts of recommendations, when I only have the need for one.

21jjwilson61
Jun 13, 2011, 6:59am Top

It's not a new feature, just a new way of presenting the old one. It now shows on the work page if that book is on your current recommendation list.

22anglemark
Jun 13, 2011, 6:59am Top

It's not a new recommendation feature. It's a box on the pages of recommended books that explains why the book was recommended.

23_Zoe_
Jun 13, 2011, 7:43am Top

I agree that it would be better to have an icon at the top of the page that only showed the books if we clicked "why?".

24jjwilson61
Jun 13, 2011, 10:04am Top

Tim, I know you didn't want to put a lot of time into this but I agree with the others that the difference between Recommended for You and LibraryThing Recommendations isn't clear and this would work best as some sort of banner across the top of the page.

25InfectiousOptimist
Jun 13, 2011, 10:34am Top

I wasn't aware that you could mark books to be included in recommendations or to be excluded from recommendations. How does one do this?

26timspalding
Jun 13, 2011, 10:38am Top

Sorry. It's a collections-level feature.

27AnnaClaire
Jun 13, 2011, 11:19am Top

Since you're doing stuff with recommendations, why not swat some bugs? Like the one described, with variations, here and here?

28infiniteletters
Jun 13, 2011, 6:24pm Top

I appreciate you making this feature. A header change would be good, but the feature is very nice. :)

29TLCrawford
Jun 14, 2011, 8:31am Top

If you click "Why" under a title on the Recommendations page isn't this the same list, only more stable and in a different location?

30jjwilson61
Jun 14, 2011, 9:27am Top

29> Yes. It's the same info displayed in a different place. It probably didn't take Tim away from his other duties very long at all.

31_Zoe_
Jun 14, 2011, 9:30am Top

Yeah, the frustrating thing isn't the time spent for this, but the thought of how many other useful improvements could also be made very quickly if he'd just get around to it.

32TLCrawford
Jun 14, 2011, 9:34am Top

Not being a programmer I have no idea how long any of this would take.

33timspalding
Jun 14, 2011, 10:52am Top

They actually not QUITE the same list. Why would really get me into the weeds. But they are drawn from the same list--just deeper or shallower depending on context.

34AnnaClaire
Jun 14, 2011, 10:58am Top

>33 timspalding:
Not to mention that the "why" on the recommendations page is still giving a lot of errors.

35artturnerjr
Jun 14, 2011, 1:58pm Top

Very cool, Tim. The parenthetical numbers still look a little "buggy" on a couple of the titles I looked at, but I'm sure you'll get them straightened out.

36brightcopy
Jun 14, 2011, 4:53pm Top

I just finally got around to checking this feature out, and I had some of the same confusion as above. I just really did not get what the heck "Recommended for you based on your books..." meant. As some posts above, I thought it meant the following things were recommendations.

I wonder if it couldn't be better phrased. Maybe: "This book is recommended for you based on your books:"

37timspalding
Jun 14, 2011, 4:54pm Top

Right. I think I'll make that change (except "work").

38_Zoe_
Jun 14, 2011, 4:57pm Top

What are your thoughts about changing the display entirely? I'd find it much more useful as an icon near the top of the page, as someone suggested above. By the time I'm interested enough to scroll down and look at the work page further, it doesn't really matter whether it's recommended or not. On the other hand, an easily-noticeable recommendation icon might make me look further when I would otherwise just have passed by.

39brightcopy
Jun 14, 2011, 5:00pm Top

#37 by timspalding> Cool, thanks. I also debated book/work, as it's always a judgment call which one sounds right in a given place (even when it's technically one or the other).

I think there is something to be said for the icon idea. Right now, I'm about as likely to notice the recommendation as I am to notice the Wikipedia citation...

40jjwilson61
Edited: Jun 14, 2011, 7:13pm Top

38> Right, as a quick fix the wording change is good but this is something about the book and you, not just about the book. So it makes sense to highlight that LT is recommending this book to you! It really doesn't belong with the rest of the information that is just about the book that would be the same for anyone.

41anglemark
Jun 15, 2011, 3:14am Top

Heh, that phrasing is more or less what I changed the Swedish translation to.

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