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Discussions of Possibly Problematic Mooches #27 (The vent/rant thread)

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1skittles
Edited: Jun 24, 2011, 2:19pm Top

A New Start to a New Day.... er, A New Thread!!!

Welcome!! (and Warning!!)

This thread is for the discussion of what may be problems &/or challenges with mooches.
**If you have a question about a mooch and you would like an opinion on it, please post your questions here.
**Or, if you just want to vent your frustration regarding mooches, book conditions, packaging or the postal system, you may also do so.

To the BM Newbie & other visitors: These posts are NOT indicative of the normal BookMooch exchange. These problems arise from differences in standards, languages, abilities & ethics. We sometimes even vent about ourselves & the mistakes we have made... and we do make mistakes!

The exchanges mentioned here are only about 1% to 2% of ALL BookMooch exchanges!!
Most mooches go very smoothly & without problems of any kind.

**If you are a Newbie Moocher, please visit the Newbie Thread in this group.
**Newbies & Visitors, please also visit the "I Just Had A Great Experience On BookMooch!!" thread for a better indication of how great things happen on BookMooch.

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Lastly, if you are someone who never has problems with anything happening in your life & thinks that no one else should have any problems either, or that people shouldn't complain or solicit solutions for the challenges they encounter, please do not read this thread or complain about what you read here.

This thread is not for perfect people, because you don't need this thread and you will be fine without it.

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Happy Mooching!!!

and let's play reasonably nice with each other in this sandbox!!

ETA: It doesn't mean we can't vent or rant or complain, just be nice to each other, PLEASE!

Thanks!

2macsbrains
Jun 30, 2011, 12:05pm Top

Not Bookmooch per se, but a mail mishap.

May of last year one of my paychecks was lost in the mail (would normally be overnighted by the payroll company) so I had to order a new one. Today it arrived in the mail, overnighted from whatever toxic hole it had fallen into. The envelope was SO grimy and moldy that my allergies kicked in as soon as I picked it up.

I think I would have preferred that it stayed in whatever abyss it crawled out of.

3skittles
Jun 30, 2011, 1:12pm Top

mac, could it have gotten dropped in the subway??

I've heard stories!!....

4macsbrains
Jun 30, 2011, 2:24pm Top

>3 skittles: haha, maybe! But being a native NYer I like to think I have some amount of antibody resistance to the natural flora and fauna of the subway tracks. This envelope was an entirely new species.

5skittles
Jun 30, 2011, 3:20pm Top

... natural flora and fauna of the subway tracks...

yeah, natural.... not the way I've heard it... more like UN-Natural!!

but as a native NYer, you've probably seen, heard, smelled & encountered it all...

immunity to everything? really possible!

maybe your envelope went to the bayou & picked up some flora & fauna (& mold) there!!

Oh, how our books (& mail) travel on its way to us!!

6dudes22
Jul 2, 2011, 8:26pm Top

Small rant - I sent an "ask first" email for a book from my save-for-later list and have been waiting for a reply. For some reason, I decided to click on the book so I could look at her profile again to see if he/she has been sending anything, and it now says"not to your country". Not like it's a big deal, but she/he could have sent a reply.

7bookel
Edited: Jul 2, 2011, 10:52pm Top

It is disappointing when no reply is received. They could have at least said "no", all it takes is a reply to the email. I recently sent 4 (now 5) to save-for-later, so it's definitely the lack of points that is preventing me mooch them. If I had more I'd mooch, but I'm still saving points for angel books (always have, even way before the 3 point change).

8Heather19
Jul 2, 2011, 9:42pm Top

Ask-first related rant: I sent an ask-first awhile back for a wishlisted book. After a few days I got the okay, and went ahead and mooched it. It's been almost 2 weeks since I mooched it, with no response, even tho she's logged in since then. Usually I don't start getting aggrevated about no-responses this quickly, but she responded to my ask first! So why no response to the actual mooch?

I'm wondering if it's because I sent her a very polite note that it's against the rules to require that international moochers also send internationally (she has that in her status message). It hasn't been deleted from her status message, but I don't want to click abuse unless I know for sure that she's not going to send the dang book..... Arghle.

9skittles
Jul 2, 2011, 10:19pm Top

#8: Heather, I'd be patient & wait another two weeks. Then send an email about it, not a reminder. Two weeks after that, I'd send the reminder.

Yeah, it is a long time, but sometimes stuff happens..... like people mailing books & forgetting to mark them mailed (or emailing the ones getting the books)

I keep reminding myself that "BM teaches patience. BM teaches patience."

although, IRL, I'm the type that screams, "I want patience & I want it NOW!!!" (or I want to scream it)

10chelonianmobile
Jul 3, 2011, 11:53pm Top

Came home to a few wishlist notifications from the same account, went to go see if the books were still there . . . and the account was already closed. Given that they only joined about a day ago and there were 70+ mooch requests I'm sure it was just newbie panic but I just still don't understand how people can NOT CONSIDER that putting up so many books at once might net them a lot of requests. It should not be a difficult concept to grasp.

Also I sent a package three months ago using a flat rate envelope (so it should have been there within two weeks) and it's still not been marked in. No response to a personal email or a reminder. The person has been on vacation but logging in semi-regularly and hasn't marked any books received for a while. I just don't know what's going on or, given the lack of response to my communications, how to find out. I want them off my pending page!

11Heather19
Jul 4, 2011, 12:12am Top

Yeah, newbie-panic is one of those things that I sympathize with and feel bad about, but as an experienced BMer, it's hard to understand. I mean, if you were to put up, say, 20 copies of Twilight on ebay, wouldn't you think of the possibility that all of them would be fought over/wanted/lots of interest? It sort of amazes me that people can add tons of books to a book-trading website, without thinking that they may be getting tons of requests for those books. I mean, the flip side is, do they think that really popular books are *not* wanted, or that BookMooch is not a busy site? Why else would you put 20, 30, 40 wanted books up at once and then be surprised when they get mooched?

I haven't been a newbie for years, but I've heard that nowadays they do have a big notice about only listing a few at a time so you don't get overwhelmed. I don't know the exact wording or when it actually shows up, but with that warning, I just.... don't get it.

Anyways!

With the flat-rate... That is strange. Flat rates really shouldn't take that long, unless something is screwy with the postal. Good news is that you'll be able to force-recieve it in awhile.

12chelonianmobile
Jul 4, 2011, 1:10am Top

It doesn't even matter if the books are popular or not. It should be a pretty simple thought process. X number of books = X number of possible requests to deal with. Will you actually get X requests? Probably not, but you need to be prepared for that to happen!

Given that no other mooches have been marked received past a certain date (even ones that should have arrived), I'm pretty sure the problem is on their end. I hate the thought of doing a force-receive but honestly it seems like there's no other course of action except for marking them lost and I really doubt they were. I'll try another email in a week or two.

13orangewords
Jul 5, 2011, 2:19am Top

12 I was coming here to complain about the exact same problem! I even looked to see if my moocher is yours, but it appears to be someone else. I sent a reminder email quite early after sending, (maybe like a week or two), because the user was listed as being on vacation and I wasn't sure if I would need to do a forced-receive because of inactivity, and the user sent back a nice email telling me that sometimes post takes a while to get to where they are living, (same old gentle reminder that media mail takes time- I think many of us have sent the same message at some point!), he/she hasn't marked any books as received in months. I am hesitant to force-receive at this point, though I can, as the member has logged in multiple times since my reminder and has perfect feedback. I sent another email when the "received" option showed for me, but no response. I just hate to do it when the moocher is so clearly a good member and really only seems to have issues with this one aspect of the site. (Marking books received within a reasonable time.) I know I should just be patient but I hate clutter on my pending page! A totally boring rant, I know, but it's driving me nuts!

14dudes22
Jul 5, 2011, 12:22pm Top

13 - Whew! I was worried it was me for a minute there. I have one that says it's been sent to me 4 weeks ago from Oh (to RI). I'm almost positive I haven't gotten it yet, but I worry I might have thrown it in a bag for my sister before I received it. But I don't have it logged in here either so maybe it's still out there? In the postal jungle?

15Heather19
Jul 5, 2011, 8:16pm Top

Has anyone had problems with the BookMooch ads in the past 24 hours? Many people on the forums are upset about it, and I'm honestly worried. I don't *think* BookMooch got hacked, don't think that's the problem, but it's definitely not good.

The whole idea with BM using this specific ad company/website is that we will *only* see book-related ads. ....Except that hasn't been true recently. There are other ads, including a very spammy Starbucks ad that takes you to a website where you have to sign up for some subscription thingy in order to get the deal offered.

John made such a big point about it only being *book-related* ads that I'm sort of hoping the ad-code got messed with or hacked or something, because I do *not* want to believe that those ads are actually approved!

I've contacted Admin.

16bookel
Jul 6, 2011, 12:54am Top

I have Adblock Plus and Flashblock (add-ons for Mozilla Firefox) and don't have ads turned on in BookMooch so haven't seen any ads... I prefer uncluttered!

17CFiveSix
Jul 6, 2011, 7:41pm Top

I too was surprised at the sudden appearance of two ads. One is for Starbucks. Kind of weird. As my brother commented, "I guess they have to make money some way." So many sites have them I'm starting to get used to seeing them, but didn't expect to see them on BM.

18Heather19
Jul 6, 2011, 8:53pm Top

They have removed the Starbucks ad, and John posted a new blogpost about some new ads and explaining what happened with that one. *cheers*

19Sandydog1
Jul 6, 2011, 9:05pm Top

I'm a relative newb, and I've already had my share of books accepted to send and not delivered. The guidance and rules-of-thumb provided on these posts have been very helpful to me. I've no problem cancelling a domestic mooch after a couple weeks. No worries, no hard feelings.

My bigger issue is that my wishlist is in the 850+ range and there's nary a book out there. Available books are chiefly the inexpensive and abundant titles.

What a surprise...

Regardless, I'm working on getting "patient-er"!

20Heather19
Jul 6, 2011, 9:33pm Top

19: Yup, that happens. I'll have a wishlist book show up, on average, once every month or two. The vast majority of my mooches have been non-wishlisted books that I just happen to stumble across and decide I want.

There are a few books available on your wishlist (I took a peek to see if there was anything listed that I have...), but they are international so maybe you don't want to spend 3 points for them?

21SusieBookworm
Jul 7, 2011, 10:03am Top

#19: Patience is key; the more expensive and less abundant titles will randomly show up eventually, but part of the reason why they're sparse is because they get mooched so quickly. :) I have a lot of university and small press reprints on my wishlist, and it's surprising what will pop up as available sometimes.

22Jenni_Canuck
Edited: Jul 7, 2011, 12:09pm Top

#19 Maybe you should check out the Wishlist Tag Game thread.

Edited to fix my link.

23rainbowgirl28
Jul 8, 2011, 11:49am Top

Seriously, how did John not know the Starbucks thing was a scam? Does he not have a facebook? Always use adblock? Lack common sense?

24Belladonna1975
Jul 11, 2011, 1:01pm Top

I just wanted to have a small rant. This is annoying. This book is listed on BM. I want it.

http://bookmooch.com/detail/1607012197

Well the condition notes say.... " PLEASE NOTE BEFORE YOU MOOCH: THIS LARGE ANTHOLOGY IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR TRADE. If you have one of the Kelley Armstrong, Laura Anne Gilman, Mercedes Lackey, or C.E. Murphy books on my Wishlist that you want to send to England, then mooch away! It is like new."

OK rant over.

25Jenni_Canuck
Jul 11, 2011, 1:24pm Top

#24 I have several of her wishlisted books so I mooched it and you can have it next.

26carod
Jul 11, 2011, 2:51pm Top

I nearly mooched it as well until I saw the condition notes. I understand asking for a second mooch or restricting where you will send for bigger books, but I don't think you should be able to ask for specific books in return. There is nothing wrong about putting in your status message, "please check my wishlist" or something like that in the hopes the person is so thrilled about getting a wish listed book that they feel generous. But I am not comfortable with someone making it a requirement.

27joannasephine
Jul 11, 2011, 4:31pm Top

>24 Belladonna1975: – Sounds like a clear breach of the TOC to me. I'd contact abuse, let them have a quiet word.

28Heather19
Edited: Jul 11, 2011, 8:01pm Top

24: Definitely push the abuse button!
BookMooch now has that "meet-up" thing, and I think it's okay to specify that a book is for meet-up trade only, but refusing to send a book unless the person has a book you want is definitely against the TOS. I've reported two people for that in the past.

edit: Actually, I think that should be added to the Wiki (since my push for an on-site rules page doesn't seem to ever be happening....). Anyone want to add it to the Rejection page? (Wikis scare me, or I would.)

29Gendy
Jul 12, 2011, 8:37am Top

This trade situation is kind of similar to a situation that happened yesterday. I had mooched a book about a week ago from a new member. I was told no problems but there would be a delay.

Yesterday I got an email saying that she would have to reject my mooch because she had found a book that she had been looking for but the other member would only give it to her if she traded the book I had requested for it.

Now I'm not really annoyed at the new moocher. First, she's new. Second, I can easily get the book elsewhere. Thirs, she was really polite and nice and offered some arrangement, if I wanted to get a different book.

What annoys me, if the story is true (and from mooching history, it seems to be). Is that second member, who has been a member for a few years and who suggested this trade. I just hope the second member didn't know the book had already been reserved for somebody else....

30Heather19
Jul 12, 2011, 9:09pm Top

29: Awww that sucks. The second member is definitely in the wrong, you *cannot* refuse to let someone mooch a book unless they trade you a book. Definitely not. It's worrysome if this person has been a member for that long and still does that....

31Belladonna1975
Jul 12, 2011, 9:11pm Top

25> Yay Jenni! Whenever you get around to reading it and passing it along is fine. My TBR is threatening to take out a toddler any day now.

I looked to see if I had anything by those authors but I had already put up everything I had.

29> Sorry you had deal with that Gendy. It definitely seems hokey on the part of the second moocher.

32chelonianmobile
Jul 12, 2011, 10:15pm Top

I wonder if the people who are insisting on one-to-one trades feel like they're not getting the books they want otherwise. This is not how BookMooch is supposed to work. Both of the cases mentioned have been (very) active site members for least two years, so they should know better. In my opinion it's okay to say that you have certain books but will only do a specific swap, but that's something that needs to be arranged before anyone actually posts a book. If you haven't worked out something beforehand regular BookMooch rules apply.

33Heather19
Jul 12, 2011, 10:35pm Top

32: Exactly! There is the whole "when you post a book in your inventory, you are agreeing to send it to the person who mooches it" overall rule. You can't pick and choose who you want to send it to after the fact. It's a different story if you want to work out a deal beforehand, and then reserve the book for certain people or have it be a trade with someone you've spoken to beforehand... But this just isn't how BookMooch works.

34Jenni_Canuck
Jul 13, 2011, 12:09am Top

Apart from reservations for 'ask first' and 'angel mooches', the deals we make privately and with our friends here in this group are technically against the TOS. These pre-arrangements subvert the "first come, first served' system which is the basis of BookMooch. IMO it's human nature to develop strategies to make any system, including BookMooch, work for us -- some of these strategies are subtle; some blatant; and some become common practice within a subgroup of the overall community and are therefore considered generally acceptable.

When people complain that all the good books are reserved and they are unable to find anything to mooch, it is impossible to deny that private deals contribute to that frustration. Our Int'l Wishlist Tag Game, which I have contributed to and benefited from, is evidence of that.

People can be very creative when it comes to maximizing what they get back for what they give. (I don't include abusers who take but give nothing back.) If a moocher with a good mooch history tries something outside of the norm to obtain a wishlisted book, I'm not sure we gain anything by censuring that moocher. I enjoy the rush that comes with snagging a wishlisted book but I also quite enjoy the benefits of being part of a group that enables my book addiction. If I didn't know about this group, I'm pretty sure I would work on finding other ways to feed my addiction.

35Heather19
Edited: Jul 13, 2011, 12:26am Top

34: I'm not sure I can agree with that. I admit I'm not following the Wishlist-Tag thread, but in general I've never seen a "this book is in my inventory, but I'll only let someone mooch it if they have a book I want" mentality in this group.

What deals, specifically, are you thinking of that are technically against the TOS? I see people asking if anyone has such-and-such book, or posting a list of books that they haven't yet added to BM to give people first-dibs, etc, but none of that is against the TOS. I've never seen anyone post about a book that's been in their inventory for awhile, that they only want to trade one-for-one.

From what I understand, reserving books for friends or giving people first-dibs on things that you haven't yet added are completely fine. It's when you add a book to your inventory, therefore agreeing by the terms that you have the book and are willing to send it to the person who mooches it, and *then* say that you won't send it to anyone who won't do a one-one trade. *That* is against the TOS.

And being creative and trying to get the most out of BookMooch is completely different from actually doing something that is specifically against the rules. I've offered 5+ points for wishlisted books, as a way of working the site to my advantage, but that's not specifically against the rules...

36Belladonna1975
Edited: Jul 13, 2011, 12:53am Top

35> OOO we need to have a "Books I would be willing to give 5+ points for" thread..... (as if I don't have enough books to read right now.) I do have lots of points right now, though. I think they are burning a hole in my virtual pocket.

37orangewords
Jul 13, 2011, 1:20am Top

@35 & 36 I do like that idea! There are some books that are very high on my wishlist that I just can't bring myself to buy when I have so many points stocked up... What trials we face, eh? Haha.

38Gendy
Jul 13, 2011, 4:18pm Top

Thanks everyone!

>35 Heather19: I'm curious about this it might be a good incentive for people to give certain books... I see a thread has been created. Let's see how it goes.

39macsbrains
Jul 13, 2011, 4:32pm Top

>34 Jenni_Canuck: That's why I often use my "Bookmooch Reservation" listings when reserving a popular book that someone requests from me here. I don't feel like I'm gaming the system or anything like that, but I don't want to tease the wishlisters by posting a book that they can't mooch. I consider it to be like an angel mooch; a special LT angel mooch.

40skittles
Jul 13, 2011, 4:39pm Top

and we love special LT angel mooches.

41bmpro
Jul 16, 2011, 1:34pm Top

Hi - I'm a new member to this forum, and I'm interested in hearing what issues have cropped up over the past years of being a BM member. Has anyone had this happen? You send a book, remind, then have the member give you negative feedback for reminding too soon (even though they had received the book already)? Here's another good one, which happened to a fellow BMer: he noticed that many of his hardback books that he noted were brand new in "Condition Notes" were immediately mooched by one member, no matter what time of day or night he posted them. Within 5 minutes they were mooched by this same user. Then, he wrote an email to admin asking about members who post BM bookmarks for a point - technically not a "book" - and was replied to by the user who had mooched all his books! Hmmm...

42carod
Jul 16, 2011, 1:51pm Top

You send a book, remind, then have the member give you negative feedback for reminding too soon (even though they had received the book already)? If you are relying on delivery confirmation of some kind to determine if they have indeed received the book then others here can tell you that it is not always reliable. Sending reminds earlier than 3-4 weeks for domestic is considered nagging by many. The remind is seen as a prelude to a forced received. Sometimes a polite email rather than the automated "remind" is received better. As to your friend who has books mooched by the same moocher, many of us when we have found a wishlisted book (especially hardcover good condition) will check back or even have an RSS feed for that inventory in case more appear. If the moocher is someone who works on his/her computer all day then the books will be snapped up quickly. I don't believe the volunteer admins have any advantage over any other members for snapping up wishlisted books. Also, the two non-book items that Bookmooch allows in inventories is Bookmooch cards/bookmarks and padded envelopes. Welcome to the forum.

43bmpro
Jul 16, 2011, 2:01pm Top

Haven't we all been reminded too soon - I have many times! A couple of times I've received the book and haven't noted it, but in most cases it hadn't come yet. Negative feedback? Never! Just a polite email saying that I will indeed remember to mark it received when it comes. I'm grateful that the person took the time, and spent the money, to send me a book. People have different priorities, right? Some can't stand looking at a "pending" page that's loaded down, so they try to keep it clear. The person who told me about BM years ago is that way. Others don't really care, and let it happen. Also wanted to add that I don't send internationally, but when I've tried to mooch an international mooch, even from members who have "I love to send to the US!" in their profile, I've been denied because I don't send internationally. Has this happened to anyone?

44skittles
Jul 16, 2011, 2:09pm Top

Hi, bmpro (interesting name, btw)

How long have you been a member at BM? A long while? A short time? Since you use the name bmpro, that must mean you are a pro on BM. Then what I will share with you won't be news at all... but it might help others understand BookMooch better.

Negative feedback? Well, I have to go to the post office to pick up my books and sometimes I don't get home right away & might not get them marked rec'd right away because I'm not at home at my computer. So, if I came home & found a reminder to mark my books rec'd, I'd be a little miffed. But, beyond that most of this group has rec'd negative feedback that we feel was unjustified. One negative mark does not make for a "bad moocher". Besides, we've all had bad days when we are a little trigger/keyboard happy... our gold fish died, car had a flat tire, stubbed a toe.... and we might have given negative feedback because we had a bad day. Life happens and occasionally Life is a Beach.

Immediate mooching. Did you know that you can "watch" someone's inventory via RSS feed? Yeah, it's possible & I "stalk" some people who post books in a subject or genre area that I frequently read. *(actually less than a dozen) If I notice that someone posts a lot of mysteries that I like, I might want to see if they post more mysteries that I like. The person you mention might be getting books for a library that they help out... there are a million reasons why someone might immediately mooch books in good condition. Also multiple mooches are better for the sender because it saves on postage. It makes for a better mooch-point to postage-cost ratio. Cheaper points!! YAY!! All good!

But, as I said earlier, you are bmpro... so you must know this.

and yes, I'm being a little 'rough' on you, but coming to a forum & complaining about stuff immediately sends up some red flags for me. (kinda looks like a sock-puppet)

But welcome to LT & the BookMooching group. I hope that you decide to catalog your books here & put a link to your BM profile so we can mooch books from you and maybe even smooch you when you are having a bad day or a bad mooch! We can be nice & we do help people out & cry on each others shoulders. We also cheer when things go right.

45bmpro
Jul 16, 2011, 2:21pm Top

I thought the name of the thread was "Discussions of Possibly Problematic Mooches #27 (The vent/rant thread)"? If that's not the topic, let me know. Yes, I know all of the above. You must be a bmpro too! I guess when I joined bm, and read the TOS, feedback was supposed to be based mainly upon the condition of the book. Leaving negative feedback because you're "miffed" at someone who reminded you too soon didn't seem to be allowed. I guess it is! I haven't read the TOS for awhile - maybe a year - so if it's allowed now, I apologize. I'll go read them before I post anything more on here.

46skittles
Edited: Jul 16, 2011, 2:43pm Top

Yes, you have the name of this thread correct, and you have the right to complain. But, usually people realize that people are people... we are human. and people get upset by possibly unnecessary reminders... It is really hard to see through computer monitors to the person on the other side and what kind of things are going on in their lives.

and if someone is worried about one negative feedback, then they must have a wonderful life if that's the worse thing that has ever happened to them.

Yes, it is a surprise the first time you get negative feedback. BMers come here & cry a little the first time... but they usually realize that one point won't collapse their reputation.... it is the sea of red ink that usually does that.

bmpro, you also said, "feedback was supposed to be based mainly upon the condition of the book."

You said it correctly. Mainly. Not only.

If we understood both sides of the transaction, not just a blank account, then we'd have a better idea of the whole transaction, not just one side of it.

Regarding the other issues you have brought up: if you have read through the "vent threads" you will see that others have said similar things... You did ask, "Has this happened to anyone?" If you had read some of these threads, you would have your answer.

Now, I've been on BM awhile & on LT longer. One group where I've worked is the Spam Fighters group. And one thing that the Spam Fighters see a lot of is the "Sock Puppet" account... usually someone who already has an account & is trying to instigate an issue or two. They usually just joined, don't have any book entered.. .or maybe a couple... but they usually just want to "stir things up"... that just seems like what you are trying to do.

If I'm wrong. I apologize. I've been wrong before. I'll probably be wrong again.

47skittles
Jul 16, 2011, 2:54pm Top

to my friends here: I'm sorry if my response above seems a little harsh to you.

Some of the questions & accusations have seemed a little suspicious to me... also a little familiar...

and I found this: http://www.librarything.com/topic/82621

same lack of paragraph breaks, writing styles, accusations & (empty) account ..... etc.

I really don't like sock puppets.

48oldbookie
Jul 16, 2011, 2:58pm Top

Wow! Sorry! No, I'm not a "sock puppet", I haven't read all 27 threads with 200 posts each of this particular topic, but I'll do that when I have a couple of days off! I guess being new to a forum, checking out the topic, then raising a question, isn't allowed here. I have over 100 books posted on bm - I'm a real member - I've sent out close to 500 and mooched over 400. A friend on bm emailed me this morning and said I should l check out this thread. I did - I guess I'm considered "spam" so I'll "unjoin". Mission accomplished, skittles!

49bmpro
Jul 16, 2011, 3:02pm Top

Skittles - I am NOT the person in your link above. I don't appreciate the insinuation. I also notice that another new member, "oldbookie", whoever that is, is quite put off by your answer to me. Hey, "oldbookie", I'm deciding to spend my time somewhere else. No real answers to my questions, just junk. Maybe you should do the same!

50oldbookie
Jul 16, 2011, 3:07pm Top

I'm with you, bmpro. This is abusive. Bye, LT!

51skittles
Edited: Jul 16, 2011, 3:18pm Top

The sock puppets are multiplying!!!

Run for your lives!!!

edited to add: Thank you to whomever removed their accounts!

- - - - -

Seriously, I'm glad mark isn't posting right now and I don't blame him... this is ridiculous... deja vu all over again!

- - - - - -

and, now, back to your regularly scheduled Venting thread ....

52jdthloue
Jul 16, 2011, 3:25pm Top

Jeesh, you'd think Sock Puppeteers would seek more fertile ground than this relatively small group

Maybe the summer heat's been affecting their "brains"

;-}

53jfThing
Edited: Jul 16, 2011, 5:52pm Top

I don't know how i managed to miss the "is it fair?" thread (thanks for the link skittles), but somehow i did. I just read it with great interest! Having looked through my history at the books i've sent to certain users, and checking the Amazon account mentioned in that thread, i can confirm that 2 books i sent via BookMooch are now for sale there on Amazon. (The book descriptions - both had very specific markings in the text - are a dead giveaway.)

Thing is, i couldn't be happier. I see those books for sale and i think, great, someone who really wants them is going to buy them! I make books available on BookMooch because i want to find new homes for them. I wasn't going to be able to sell those books myself. They're now for sale at a reasonable price on a highly visible site and hopefully someone who values them will take them home. If not, i bet they'll end up back on BookMooch.

Meanwhile, i got 6 BM points for those books, and i used them to mooch books i really wanted. Good times!

(Edited for spelling)

54rainbowgirl28
Jul 16, 2011, 5:54pm Top

LOL I like how "bmpro" didn't realize they were logged into a different account when they replied on post 48.

55Bcteagirl
Jul 16, 2011, 5:59pm Top

Depending on where they are. The summer rain (up here) could be turning them to goo :P

Very few mooches recently, but they have all gone smoothly for me which is a plus!

Tea and scones anyone?

56skittles
Jul 16, 2011, 7:18pm Top

Should I set up high tea again??

57Belladonna1975
Jul 16, 2011, 7:25pm Top

56> I was just sitting here looking at an ice cream recipe that called for Manhattan Earl Gray and was wishing I had some tea! (it is much too hot here for warm tea currently but tea ice cream sounds heavenly)

58skittles
Jul 16, 2011, 7:48pm Top

#57: Bella, my sweet, your wish is my command!!

http://www.librarything.com/topic/120698

59Heather19
Edited: Jul 16, 2011, 8:50pm Top

*bursts out laughing* oh wow.

I have to say I'm really glad I didn't come in in the middle of all that, because those posts would've made me VERY pissed. Seeing them now, with the knowledge that they've been removed and were sockpuppets (and maybe even the same person who has pulled this crap on here before), makes it a bit more laughable.

I'm very very quick to defend BookMooch, I would've been a lot harsher then you were, skittles.

It really amazes me that someone would be *that* mad about their BM account being rightfully suspended (I'm assuming that's what happened, since that's what happened in the "is it fair" thread...), to hold such a grudge and badmouth BM that way... wow.

.... Makes me wonder, perhaps concerned, how many other sites this person has badmouthed BM on.

edit: Don't google "BookMooch fair?". Just don't. Really, really don't. *can't stop shaking with anger*

60bookel
Jul 16, 2011, 9:13pm Top

Heather, don't. Just avoid that kind of thing! Let's go read a book, a book cozy and familiar, your favorite will do, just go and enjoy it.... (to the tune of ooooooh, let's fly a kite!). Cheer up!

61carod
Jul 16, 2011, 9:23pm Top

Well I must say, my feelings are hurt. I replied with (what I felt) were fairly reasonable responses to the complaints in >41 bmpro:, What, I'm not good enough to flame? I think I'll drown my sorrows in some tea. (It's cool and rainy here, perfect tea weather).

62carod
Jul 16, 2011, 9:36pm Top

Apparently the conspiracy theory is that some mysterious admins, or possibly John himself, are scraping off the cream as it were, of really good books and then selling them to make a profit. Really? Well all I can say about that, is more power to them if they are. It is *really* hard making a living selling books, the world needs more, not less, independent book sellers and if they can help their book selling business by finding a few treasures on Bookmooch that is wonderful. And as was said in >53 jfThing: I would be delighted to know that someone wanted a book that I had sent through Bookmooch well enough to pay money for it. I would know my book was going to someone who would treasure it. Seriously though, if the whole point of Bookmooch was some kind of evil genius way of making money selling other people's books I can think of many easier ways of making money that wouldn't be as much hard work as Bookmooch is to maintain.

63skittles
Jul 16, 2011, 10:26pm Top

There's a program for English teachers (& others) that analyze writing styles & give a percentage probability of the writing being the same or different people.

I'd love to run some posts through that program!

I'm not an English teacher & I can see the similarities in style, grammar & word choices. So very idiotic!

I googled some to see what is being said online. There was one site/blog that complained and EVERY COMMENT WAS THE SAME WRITER AS THE BLOG!! different 'user names', but the same writer.... or a clone. good grief!!!

I've had to deal with conspiracy theorists in the past... and I keep far away from them & deal as little as possible with them.

Life is too short to deal with problems.... or to be a problem.

Thanks, guys, for your support!

I'm off to the Tea Room!

64banriona
Jul 17, 2011, 4:30am Top

>59 Heather19:: Heather19, I googled 'bookmooch fair' (sorry, saying we shouldn't is like a red rag to a bull for me) and it's amazing. I have been aggrieved or annoyed about a few things on bookmooch, but I don't know if I'd take to creating anonymous blogs to complain about other people calling me out on my own less-than-perfect behavior. Isn't it funny that the people who do this - who think they are entitled to behave however they please, without blowback - are the first to scream and whine when other people also dare to behave however they please, too?

Fortunately the rest of us have better things to do! Like hang out in the tea room, for example :)

65orangewords
Jul 17, 2011, 12:58pm Top

I have actually had a bookstore mooch a book from me and send an email to confirm the condition and edition. As long as someone wants it and will use it, I give the book with pleasure.

66Heather19
Jul 17, 2011, 11:38pm Top

65: And that is a wonderful attitude to have!

67rainbowgirl28
Jul 19, 2011, 1:48pm Top

Venting... I got a very large paperback book from bookmooch sent loose in manilla envelope with no packaging tape even. Fortunately it had one of those metal clasps that held it shut, and it was only going short distance.

Also, usually I have good luck with PBS, but I could not believe the packing job I just got or that it even arrived at all. A large hardback book... sent in a single layer of paper via media mail from Hawaii, taped sparingly with SCOTCH TAPE. Amazingly there was just one tear on the wrapper and the book arrived just fine (though it took its sweet time). Yeesh!

68skittles
Jul 19, 2011, 2:06pm Top

#67: Yes, newbies on PBS think that they can send ANY book in the one layer of printer paper & they've done their part!! and the instructions say, "Do Not Use Scotch Tape!". The post office also says, "No Scotch Tape" or words to that effect. I'm actually surprised that the post office accepted the package as it was wrapped! Did they use PBS postage?

I'm getting to the point that when I request a book on either BM or PBS I send a comment, "Please wrap securely & well padded due to the local post office gorillas!" I won't because people are so easily offended. "I always wrap well! How dare you!!" .... especially at PBS!

69macsbrains
Edited: Jul 19, 2011, 3:26pm Top

67, My last mooch was one of those also (different person.) Luckily, he seemed quite amiable in the accepting and sending of the books, so I sent him a helpful email after I received my half-devoured scotch taped manila envelope. "Thanks for the books, but the wrapping was torn in the mail! (yadda yadda yadda) To help prevent this (yadda yadda) Happy mooching!" He seemed to appreciate the advice on how to do it in the future.

I think somes newbies just forget to consider packaging at all when they sign up and have to scramble for whatever's around. It worries me more when longer-standing members are still doing it (as happens occasionally.)

70Macophile
Jul 20, 2011, 5:31pm Top

I have a book that I sent out to someone at a college address- it came back in the mail the other day marked as "Unclaimed". I looked up the user's profile in order to e-mail them about it and it says they are "possibly inactive". What should I do? Marking the book as lost seems like the wrong thing to do, but so does a forced received- any thoughts?

71Heather19
Jul 20, 2011, 7:38pm Top

Did you email them? I'd wait a week or so and see if you get a response from the email, and if not, "lost" is the best option (I think. Others may think otherwise). Neither option is correct, but if it didn't get to the moocher then it's more "lost" then it is "recieved".

72MyriadBooks
Jul 21, 2011, 7:54am Top

I just received a book that was shipped in a single layer of newspaper. The wrapping edges were merry tatters when I pulled it from the mailbox.

*headdesk*

On the plus side, it traveled between coasts in two business days even though only shipped media mail.

73dudes22
Jul 21, 2011, 7:57am Top

Yikes! I had one come a couple of weeks ago almost falling out of the package, but it was at least a paper bag wrapping. Just say it was a newbie who can be trained...

74MyriadBooks
Jul 21, 2011, 8:04am Top

She did seem very responsive to the suggestion to perhaps first wrap the book in an old plastic shopping bag and then maybe multi-layer the newspaper!

75macsbrains
Jul 21, 2011, 2:06pm Top

>72 MyriadBooks: Eek, what a MESS that would have been if it had rained.

76Heather19
Jul 21, 2011, 8:34pm Top

*shakes head* I'll never understand how people actually think something can stand up in the mail with that little protection.

*growls at local Postal Service* So, this is the SECOND TIME in one week that this has happened. I go to my tiny mailbox, and find a note from the postman saying that I have a package in the office. (which means they maybe actually got the HINT and stopped trying to jam oversized packages into my little box....) So I go to the office with the note.... Manager looks *everywhere*.... No package. Nothing.

Manager said there was a meeting today, so the postman may not have been able to drop off the packages... but then why leave the note? And why two times in one week?

If I don't get THREE packages by Saturday (today's note said there were 2 packages), I will be calling and complaining.

77Conachair
Jul 23, 2011, 7:40am Top

So this morning my mother had to dropp off some letters at the mailbox, and I wanted to get this one book ready so that she could take it as well, but the website for online postage is down. ARG!

78Mareofthesea
Jul 23, 2011, 6:46pm Top

I just had a mooch from the US rejected because it would cost too much to send to Canada. But if i so graciously paid the shipping cost, the owner would be glad to send me the book for free.

Fail. Abuse notified.

79Heather19
Edited: Jul 23, 2011, 8:32pm Top

78: Yet another newbie who doesn't understand how BookMooch works? Or a seasoned vet trying to take advantage? *rolls eyes*

(And without knowing the person's financial situation or the book's weight, let me say that from my own experience, shipping to Canada from the US is a *delight*. I'm always pleasantly surprised at how little I have to spend, compared to shipping to other countries!)

edit: Couldn't resist looking up the moocher, and ARGH they use the "can't send overseas for free" arguement!! Goodness I hate that word. "Free" my ass! *says the user who spent $35 at the post office today on BookMooch shipping in order to get those "free" points...*

80dadena
Jul 23, 2011, 8:51pm Top

I love sending to Canada. It's the best bargain on points around. I'm guessing that most Americans who refuse to do it have never looked up the rates.

81dudes22
Jul 24, 2011, 8:50pm Top

I'm always happy to send to Canada.

82SusieBookworm
Jul 25, 2011, 8:54am Top

I don't send to Canada because it costs over $5 and my parents pay shipping for me and don't like paying more than a couple dollars at the post office.

83wisewoman
Jul 25, 2011, 10:26am Top

It depends on what you are sending. I have sent books to Canada for around the same rate as domestic media mail.

84goancrow
Jul 25, 2011, 12:22pm Top

Don't you just love that random, and (in my view) decidely unfair feedback that you recieved every now and then ........

I'm not at all miffed (she says as she heads off to find something to kick!)

85chelonianmobile
Jul 25, 2011, 5:05pm Top

>84 goancrow:

Ugggh, yeah, that was a stupid comment from them. Whenever I think something should have been mentioned, I go back and check the condition notes and the person's status to make sure I wasn't the one who missed something!

86Belladonna1975
Jul 25, 2011, 5:11pm Top

84> Blech! It amazes me that people don't read, especially considering we are talking about a book trading site. {{{{{Claire}}}}}}}

87rainbowgirl28
Jul 26, 2011, 1:01am Top

What do you guys think of this...

I mooched a book from the legendary John Buckman. And it's a beautiful book, an autographed children's book in excellent condition and I love the story.

But he shipped it via Library Mail rate, which seems questionable to me (this is his personal account to my personal account after all). He did indicate on the return address that Bookmooch was an approved book charity or whatever, but I am not sure if sending a mooch from his personal account qualifies?

But what is much more sketchy is that he also stuffed the envelope full of bookmarks. I'm pretty sure bookmarks advertising the website are not permissible in library (or media) mail.

What do you think? Here's what the USPS website says:

"Library Mail is a service for mailing items on loan from or mailed between academic institutions, public libraries, museums, and other qualified organizations in 2 to 8 days. Content is limited to books, sound recordings, academic theses, and certain other items. Advertising restrictions apply. Each piece must show in the address or return address the name of a school or nonprofit organization."

I wouldn't leave negative feedback over it, but I think that John routinely abuses library/media mail for sending out the bookmarks, and I think that's kind of a shitty thing to do to the floundering USPS system.

Your thoughts?

88Heather19
Jul 26, 2011, 1:10am Top

Many people shove a few BM bookmarks into packages that go media mail. I know I do! I've never gotten called out on it and I intend to keep doing it as long as the post office doesn't get on my case.

And if you have a beef with John, perhaps you should take it up with him instead of calling him out on the forums here? We *do* have a "no names" rule here, which should apply whether it's Admin/Leader or not.

89Sophie236
Jul 26, 2011, 4:48am Top

Frankly, I'd be delighted to receive a bunch of BM bookmarks - I never have enough! And BM's policy is to encourage people to send books in the most cost-effective way, as far as I know ...

90rainbowgirl28
Jul 26, 2011, 9:36am Top

I don't care if people shove a few bookmarks in their books here and there, even though that is technically a violation of media mail rules. What I am actually looking is for someone who is more familiar with library mail rates to tell me if it's for sure against the rules since I am less familiar with that. I don't want to be an ass if I am wrong about it.

Most of you get offended if people are abusing the bookmooch system. Why can't I get offended if someone is abusing the USPS? It's not like they are getting rich off us. Anyone outside the US will tell us how incredibly blessed we are to have such cheap postage domestically, and our international rates aren't too bad either.

I think it's perfectly valid to name names in this case. I'm questioning the legality of a way bookmooch is operated. It's not so much about my particular transaction, you all know darn well this was not an isolated incident.

91rainbowgirl28
Jul 26, 2011, 9:37am Top

"BM's policy is to encourage people to send books in the most cost-effective way, as far as I know ..."

I would hope it's their policy for people to send books the most cost-effective way... within the rules of their postal system. I would hope that they are not encouraging people to break the rules and cheat the system O_o.

92RidgewayGirl
Jul 26, 2011, 9:58am Top

Were it anyone else, I'd say to contact abuse and let them have a gentle discussion with him. In this case, I think naming names is appropriate since it closes the usual path to resolution.

It's a basic question of honesty. Since RainbowGirl is on the receiving end, she becomes complicit in the misuse of the postal service. It's not a huge deal, but it would make me uncomfortable.

93skittles
Edited: Jul 26, 2011, 10:26am Top

Rainbowgirl, did the book arrive postage due? At my post office, if they had seen the "library rate", I would have been charged postage due, possibly for first class postage as opposed to media mail. (and they like me!!)

I'd also want to know if the moocher used electronic postage or bought it at the post office?

If he bought it from the post office counter, then I'd think that the post office clerks ok'd it.

Yes, "library rate" is only for books/media from library building to library building, but many post offices that don't regularly see the packages so may be unfamiliar with that rate. (libraries often have shuttle services for packages between buildings in cities or regions)

Also, the packages have to be processed through the post office so quickly that there isn't always time to check rates on packages.

Also, you might also want to NICELY contact abuse about it, specifying that this "isn't an abuse of BM" but that the package sent arrived postage due because it was sent at the wrong postal rate. and say that they might want to let the moocher know. Remember nicely, not with righteous indignation. It may be that his post office told him he could use it because it was a not-for-profit company or whatever reason.

94rainbowgirl28
Jul 26, 2011, 5:15pm Top

It did not arrive postage due. The postage was printed from home, but on one of the little sticky labels, so it's not glaringly obvious that it was sent library rate, you have to read the fine print as it were.

95Belladonna1975
Jul 26, 2011, 6:31pm Top

Yesterday, two books I really wanted popped up from a new Canadian member. Since she was set to "ask first", I sent the request for both and specifically asked if she didn't want to send them to the US herself if she could please NOT reject my requests and I would find someone in Canada to mooch them for me.

Of course, she rejected them and they were immediately both snatched up by someone in Canada.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

How am I going to spend 100+ points if people don't want to send me their books????

96skittles
Jul 26, 2011, 7:46pm Top

#94: Then I think you lucked out! If you really want to let TPTB know, then do so very nicely. The nicer you are when you complain or inform, the better it is rec'd. And the more likely the information will be passed on or acted upon.

Tell them that "he/you must have accidentally pushed the wrong buttons when printing the postage! So he needs to check his online postage settings."

The nicer you are when you help someone, the better it is taken... so if they explode (not that it will happen in this case) then THEY look bad, not you!

97carod
Jul 26, 2011, 8:39pm Top

>95 Belladonna1975: take some consolation in knowing that she will end up paying much more postage sending to the fellow Canadian and will only get 2 points rather than the 6 points you would have given her. Mooch karma!

98Belladonna1975
Jul 26, 2011, 8:54pm Top

97> OOO mooch karma! I like it!

However, I do hope that she doesn't up and decide that BM is not for her after doling out all that money to ship in country. She had good books! I wanted them!

99Heather19
Jul 26, 2011, 9:11pm Top

Can I just grumble for a moment about the "moocher could buy the book for cheaper!!" arguement often used to reject international shipping?

It's a pet peeve for me, definitely. If someone can't afford the extra cost of shipping internationally, fine, I certainly won't hold it against them. I've been "my country only" in the past, myself.

But when they use THAT excuse.... ARGHHHHHHH. I want to scream. NO, I CANNOT buy the book for cheaper, thankyouverymuch. NO, I CANNOT just "buy the book on Amazon for 1/3rd the shipping price", because I do not have the luxury of owning a credit card OR bank account or Paypal account. No, it's NOT worth it to spend $20-30 on a brand new book at the bookstore, instead of 3 points on an international mooch (and that's assuming the book in question is actually available at regular bookstores!).

Just.... argh. Seriously, people. I spend the money to earn those points, and you don't want me to use those points on a book from you because I could SPEND MORE MONEY to get the book instead? Seriously?

(rant courtesy of an annoying post on BM forums)

100RidgewayGirl
Jul 26, 2011, 9:22pm Top

Heather, stay away from those forums unless your blood pressure drops dangerously low or you are too ecstatic and need to feel less happy. That's my conclusion, based on bitter experience.

101bookel
Edited: Jul 27, 2011, 1:52am Top

I got a rejection not so long ago whose reason was the cost of shipping overseas was more than the original cost of the book.

That honestly does not make sense to me as it was a thin 48 p. paperback Scholastic book and would not have cost much (so I just put rejected due to postage cost in comments). All books I get for BookMooch are 2ndhand and never cost more than the shipping. It is not worth fussing over if they aren't going to change their way of thinking about it.

Buying a secondhand book from overseas can cost 10-20$ all up, so stating it's cheaper to buy the book from amazon (or other places) is simply not true.

102joannasephine
Jul 27, 2011, 4:27pm Top

#99 – Heather, I know how annoying it is, but I had to reject a mooch on those grounds just recently. The book would have cost me more to send than to buy on their behalf, and I just could't afford it. I've been on both ends of that particular mooch-rejection reason now.
(hangs head in shame …)

Actually, why isn't that an option? I have book X, you want it, it'd cost me way to much to post BUT I could afford to buy it for you online …? I've done Amazon mooches before (waves to macsbrains), but never officially. It'd be a way of increasing the stock of decent books in the system.

103AnnieMod
Jul 27, 2011, 5:06pm Top

>102 joannasephine:
I've done it at least once -- just bought the book at BD and sent directly instead of sending mine. It was cheaper and I could afford it so it was no big deal. It had something to do with my book being in hiding (and showing up after a few days...) but that's a different story.

I do not see why this would be a problem...

104Mareofthesea
Jul 27, 2011, 5:30pm Top

Using another site to get them their book really shouldn't be a problem as long as it is communicated.

However, I wonder sometimes that if a book is large or heavy, why post it on BM at all? Or at the very least, have condition notes that it is large/heavy and cannot be sent far. Wouldn't that eliminate some of these issues?

105Jenni_Canuck
Jul 27, 2011, 5:32pm Top

#104 only if people suddenly start reading condition notes!

106skittles
Jul 27, 2011, 5:48pm Top

I post books because I want to get rid of them regardless of the cost.... I want them in a home where they will be wanted.

If they are too heavy for international shipping, then I put DOMESTIC MOOCH ONLY in the condition notes... not that everyone READS condition notes!!

Isn't that strange? Some people don't put condition notes on their books & some people don't read condition note! What would that VENN diagram look like??

107Mareofthesea
Jul 27, 2011, 6:04pm Top

105, 106: Yeah.... I've also had a couple of cancellations lately because ppl didn't realize I was in Canada... for a site dedicated to readers we seem to have problems in that regard...

108macsbrains
Edited: Jul 27, 2011, 7:15pm Top

>102 joannasephine: *waves back*

I vaguely remember that the official word was that it was ok to drop ship from online vendors. Mostly I would just be afraid that the condition would not be described and I wouldn't be able to check it.

I've been an Amazon (or other online bookshop) intermediary for several LT Bookmoochers here in varying ways. I don't do it more often because for me Bookmooch is (or was, at the beginning) about getting rid of the books I didn't want more than about looking for books and I already have a point surplus at this point.

But if I could find an Amazon.co.jp angel I would be ecstatic and increase my library by, oh, A LOT, because the shipping charges from buying directly are ridiculous.

109brigneti
Jul 28, 2011, 4:20am Top

I think that it would be fine to drop-ship from Amazon or wherever, but...
I believe that if it's a book bought, for example, from an US bookseller to a US moocher, then the transaction should only be 1 point (even if the user buying the book is really located elsewhere). In the end, those $0.01 books end up costing $4 because of shipping...

Of course, the moocher could offer more points or something. An international user shouldn't have an advantage over a domestic user when doing this, as the extra points in an international mooch are supposed to be to compensate for shipping.

I just mention this because I've seen it proposed as a solution for international users to be able to get books to moochers when shipping the book is too expensive, but in my opinion it isn't really a simple solution.

110carod
Jul 30, 2011, 12:52pm Top

I don't know if this is a problematic or a great mooch. I got two books yesterday, one hardcover, one big manual sized paperback. Both were packaged in a plain manila envelope with no other packaging (ie plastic). One had a little tape over the flap but no other reinforcement. They were leaning on my front door when I got home. Now that I am living in an apartment instead of a house my front door is dry so the lack of plastic is not as big an issue, but the fact that neither had ripped at all was fairly astounding (and unusual).

111skittles
Jul 30, 2011, 3:17pm Top

#110: you are also fortunate that one of your neighbors, or their visitors, didn't "accidentally" take them. That happened to me on a number of occasions.

112carod
Jul 31, 2011, 12:04am Top

#111 I've got great neighbours. One even signed for a package for me and left me a note under my door that she had it. Someone in a apartment down the street accidently got a check meant for me, taped the envelope closed again and gave it to the postie to deliver to me (after letting the manager of my building know what had happened). I have a great neighbourhood.

113carod
Jul 31, 2011, 3:15am Top

Okay, a little whine. I just posted a bunch of books. I put conditions in the larger trade paperbacks stating that I would probably not mail these within Canada. 7 of the books I posted have been mooched by Canadians. That's 7 points (and a lot more money in postage) rather than 21 points (and less money) if Americans had mooched them. sigh. I ended up accepting 6 and rejecting one because it was for someone literally on the other side of the continent and was too fat to send letter post. The other books she mooched were less than 2 cm. The other ones were just one Province over so not quite as horrible since it was a multimooch, but will still cost at least as much to mail as if they were going to the States for a third of the points. I wish TPTB would do something about how Bookmooch doesn't work for Canadians before more of us decide to leave.

114Heather19
Jul 31, 2011, 3:47am Top

I don't get why READERS don't READ the condition notes! How hard is it? It's right there when you mooch! You are a better person then I for accepting 6 of those, I would most likely be like "condition notes stated such-and-such, sorry!"

115torontoc
Jul 31, 2011, 9:07am Top

I don't put heavy books in my inventory now- I did when I first joined Bookmooch and sent a real doorstopper to Michigan from Canada-$14!

116skittles
Jul 31, 2011, 9:38am Top

regarding heavy books & Canadian domestic mooches:

IIRC, you can still require someone to mooch second books or mooch BM bookmarks & cards.

One international request I made had the second book or BM bookmark requirement. If you mooched the cards, he smooched the two points back, keeping the extra. So, I mooched the bookmarks, but told him not to send them.

Personally, I don't like the BM cards. I abhor the color turquoise & just don't like the characters or the make up of the bookmarks & cards. But that is just my controversial opinion.... I can't like everything!

117carod
Jul 31, 2011, 12:35pm Top

>114 Heather19: She wrote me a note saying she had read my condition notes, and the note on my bio saying that I might reject larger books to fellow Canadians and to please read condition notes, but figured there was "no harm in asking". I really hate rejecting and don't do it often. I used to reject more when I was set at "ask first" because people used to ask and then mooch without waiting for a reply.

118karenmarie
Aug 2, 2011, 5:11pm Top

For Canadians it would be nice if TPTB had a new status called

Special Canadian Status: Canadian requests blocked, US requests put into requested status, All Others Must Ask.

:)

119Ygraine
Aug 4, 2011, 7:42am Top

I just had my first parcel lost in the mail :( I was sending two books to the same user and it seems they never arrived. At least she got the points refunded, but I still feel bad.

120chelonianmobile
Aug 4, 2011, 7:22pm Top

ARGH.

a) I mooched a book had no condition notes, but the feedback page had several mentions of books being in excellent condition so I figured it was safe. Not so! Water damage and general grossness. :( At least the text is fine?

b) I just had a mooch rejected because someone closed their account. No notice first, just the system-generated account closure rejection. The mooch had already been accepted a week ago! Luckily, someone else had a copy, but now it's going to take much longer than it originally would have and the stupid thing is for someone else.

121AnnieMod
Aug 4, 2011, 7:24pm Top

>120 chelonianmobile:

Closed by them or by Admin? Not fun either way though.

122Belladonna1975
Aug 4, 2011, 7:28pm Top

Tomorrow is the first day that I can mark as lost 11 *sniff* Target Doctor Who books that I mooched a few months ago. I have repeatedly tried to email the sender to find out if there was a shipping snafu and I if should hold off on marking them as lost but I have gotten no response. I guess I should go ahead and mark them lost so I can get my points back and I also need to add them back to my wishlist.

Sad news. :(

123AnnieMod
Aug 4, 2011, 7:31pm Top

Jenn, every time when I see your posts about the Doctor Who books, I wish I was reading them so I can send you some :)

124Belladonna1975
Aug 4, 2011, 8:00pm Top

123> I wish EVERYONE were reading them so you ALL could send me some!! :)

120> I just noticed that two wayward Doctor Who books that were "mailed' the same day from the same user were for you! :(

125chelonianmobile
Aug 4, 2011, 9:02pm Top

>121 AnnieMod: Oh, closed by them. From the account history, it's just someone who joined, sent out some books, received some books, and then left for no explicable reason. Life circumstances, I guess.

>124 Belladonna1975: I have actually been meaning to ask you about those! It seemed odd that nobody whose books were sent that one day had received them yet. Sadly, I have been too lazy to contact the sender, but she's been on, so I'm not sure why she wouldn't respond to messages.

126AnnieMod
Aug 5, 2011, 1:36pm Top

>125 chelonianmobile:

Happened to me once (all my books did not make it) - ended up being mailing mess and the books were in the local post office... and the office was not calling me :)

127Mareofthesea
Aug 6, 2011, 1:54pm Top

I got the most interesting email today... (I'll paraphrase)

"Hi, I noticed you have X book on your wishlist. I have this book in my inventory and was wondering why you were not mooching it. If it is on your wishlist why are you not mooching it? You should only put books you actually want on your wishlist"

My reply... "I cannot mooch it because your status is set to my country only. When you are able or willing to send out of your country, please let me know and I will be glad to mooch from you. In the meantime, I will be waiting for a moochable copy to be posted"

This is from an experienced moocher, who has been active on the site for a while. I'm not the only person who has the book wishlisted; but we are ALL from other countries... I would hope she didn't take the time to send this email to everyone. While I can be snarky, I aim to be polite in my answers. Not everyone will aim for that...

Wasn't it Einstein that said “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former.”

128readingwithtea
Aug 6, 2011, 1:57pm Top

Is it an automated "remind" email? There is a "remind" option if you go on the details of a book that's in your inventory.

129Mareofthesea
Aug 6, 2011, 2:04pm Top

128: If it was the automated email, I wouldn't have bothered replying. This was an email in which she took the effort to type out herself.

I'm just shaking my head lol

130readingwithtea
Aug 6, 2011, 3:41pm Top

Very strange.

131Heather19
Aug 6, 2011, 9:11pm Top

Wow, that's.... seriously? Goodness.
I mean, personally I think sending reminders to people who have a book wishlisted is presumptuous and pushy in and of itself (there are a million reasons why they may not want to mooch that particular copy!), but to send an email like that without pausing for one moment to consider "hey, I don't allow international mooches, and she's international!" DUH!

132Bcteagirl
Aug 7, 2011, 11:29pm Top

WOW... please do let me know if you get a response, that is just waaaaay to funny :P

133karenmarie
Aug 8, 2011, 6:47am Top

I think if someone sent me a Polite unsolicited e-mail about a book on my wishlist I'd say "Thank you." Even if it was a "My country only" person e-mailing someone outside their country.

The aggressive tone of that particular e-mail was rude and deserved a controlled nasty response, of course.

134jjmcgaffey
Edited: Aug 9, 2011, 1:57am Top

I got an email saying that two books had been reserved for me - very startling, since they hadn't shown up on my wishlist (and yes, they were on my wishlist, but not those editions I don't think). I mooched them and sent an email asking what why where...huh? and got a mildly surprised response "oh, we saw them on your wishlist and we wanted them mooched together" (it was a series). Very nice, very confusing. But I got them and am very happy for it.

(this probably belongs more on the Great Experience thread, but since it matches the current discussion here...)

135MyriadBooks
Aug 9, 2011, 9:06am Top

@134 -- I've done similar out-of-the-blue reservations as well, mostly because I scanned through the list of who has the book wishlisted as I posted the book to my inventory and happen to spot a familiar name from a past mooch transaction (*cough* or from LT).

Positive results yielding from these unexpected reservations seem to depend on how courteously I word my reservation notice.

136skittles
Aug 9, 2011, 9:20am Top

#134 & 135: Recently, I got a 'wrong' edition; different from what I had on my wishlist, but a beautiful copy! I went to the correct listing & someone had it on their wishlist. I emailed them & asked if they wanted it. They did & I mailed it out. I made one mother & child very happy!

Emailing someone that you have a book on their wishlist is ok (IMHO) but when done nicely, not in a demanding tone.

If I'm posting books & I notice names I recognize on the wishlist, I will let them know before I actually post the books, or even if I know that they look for books in the genre or subject. It doesn't hurt if the way the books are offered is polite. They can always decline the offer.

137MyriadBooks
Aug 9, 2011, 9:43am Top

Oooo. This isn't a rant but a query for advice.

I mooched a book a few months ago, but shortly after accepting the request the giver absented himself from BM. I ended up canceling the transaction six weeks after request and after several emails that received no reply. Now, four weeks after I canceled the request, I've received the book in the mail. It's postmarked as mailed out a couple of weeks after I canceled the transaction.

I've revised my feedback from a +0 to a +1 and added an addendum to my feedback comment to explain how the book has now arrived, but I wonder if that's enough? Usually I'd smooch a point to the giver, but this giver has quite the point surplus and I'm not sure that would be the best use for the point.

I haven't received any communication from the giver, and the last email I received him was in mid-June.

138skittles
Aug 9, 2011, 9:57am Top

#137: You cancelled the request, so he/she/it really shouldn't have sent it, so you really don't owe him a point.

Since it might make you feel better, you can email him/her/it and ask if they want the point for the book. Chances are good that you won't hear from him/her/it, but you have made the offer.

You cancelled the request, so you really don't owe a point.

What if you had gotten another copy in the meantime?

If someone mails a book out when the transaction has been cancelled, then they risk not getting a point. You changed your feedback & that's great. Beyond that, you are set.

139MyriadBooks
Aug 9, 2011, 10:01am Top

@138 | Since it might make you feel better, you can email him/her/it and ask if they want the point for the book.

:) Naw. I'd rather keep my point and spend it on some other book, I just kinda had thought that smooching it would be the polite thing to do.

Thank you, skittles! Your advice makes good sense.

140RidgewayGirl
Aug 9, 2011, 12:18pm Top

If the book had been postmarked before you canceled, then you'd really need to smooch a point. If the book is mailed after the cancellation, then you have no obligation to do anything. It was nice of you to have changed your feedback, though.

I'm waiting on a book that was marked mailed in June, but hasn't arrived. I'd mark it as lost, but I don't think it is. I suspect that the owner hasn't sent it. I'm leaving it for now - I've sent her a few friendly emails, but never received any answer.

141skittles
Aug 9, 2011, 12:21pm Top

#140: from the end of the second paragraph in #137's post:

"It's postmarked as mailed out a couple of weeks after I canceled the transaction."

It is easy to miss stuff as we speedread through the posts.

142AnnieMod
Aug 9, 2011, 12:25pm Top

When I was leaving to the States, I had a few active mooches. And I packed them and left them to Mom to send out. If someone had canceled before she managed to get to the post office, they would still have received them. (She sent them the first working day but that is another story)

Just saying... sometimes books get sent simply because the process is started and whoever is doing the actual mailing is different from the one getting the BM mails. And then there are the missed mails.

Which does not mean I am saying that someone need to give points somewhere. :)

143RidgewayGirl
Aug 9, 2011, 12:41pm Top

141. I did read that, as you'll see from the entirety of my answer. As I said:

If the book had been postmarked before you canceled...

Sometimes it's easy to miss things when you're "speed reading through posts"! :)

144readingwithtea
Aug 9, 2011, 12:59pm Top

Re a post on an earlier thread - remember the owner who was going to send the book after she was done reading it? She duly marked it as sent a few days ago and it arrived today.

So in a sense I'm glad I didn't hit abuse. I did email her while I was waiting and point out that BM expects the book to be ready to go out and that good communication is essential, but on the whole I felt she was honest and the transaction went pretty well.

Very confused about how to feel about it all.

Cross-posting this to good experiences because it turned out positively - more than I expected!

145MyriadBooks
Aug 9, 2011, 3:16pm Top

@140 through 144

As it turns out, the giver spotted that I'd changed my feedback and sent me a very kind thank-you email in return, explaining that there had been an extended family emergency and that he's only just getting back BM to get everything squared away. Now I do feel guilty and have taken skittles original suggestion of at least offering back the point.

...it does make me feel better.

146Heather19
Edited: Aug 9, 2011, 10:37pm Top

Rhetorical question here: When you receive a mooch-request asking the condition of the book, do you

A. ignore the request entirely
B. Email the moocher with a description of the condition
C. Mark the book sent without saying a word about the condition

ARGH! Seriously?! I specifically asked if the book smelled smokey, because the person's status said some books were second-hand and might. The mooch is accepted and marked sent WITHIN ONE MINUTE of each other with no mention of my condition-question whatsoever.

I swear, if that book gets here and it stinks, I'm throwing a fit. It's for my mom!

147ZoeyEve
Aug 9, 2011, 11:51pm Top

D. Respond to the request saying if you don't like the book--I will mooch it back from you and still not tell of the condition in any kind of detail beyond the book seems fine.

Yes that actually happened to me--i asked if the book was water damaged or smoke smell or worse--the person's bio stated there had been a flood in the home at one point. I got the book and well the smell of mildew and mold was very high. I said if the person wanted the book back; send me a point to cover the postage in addition to my point for sending me a book that honestly should not have been posted. Got no response to that request and so the book went back on my wishlist and the actual copy went in the trash. Sad really--and a book that is not common and I have not seen again.

148Heather19
Aug 10, 2011, 12:03am Top

So what's the thing some people seem to have against answering condition-questions? Goodness!

149Belladonna1975
Aug 10, 2011, 12:43am Top

148> Because it is a "free" book. /sarcasm

150karenmarie
Aug 10, 2011, 11:01am Top

Because if they put the true condition down you wouldn't mooch it and they want to get rid of it for a point.

151dudes22
Aug 10, 2011, 11:45am Top

>150 karenmarie: That's the truth!

152macsbrains
Aug 10, 2011, 1:49pm Top

I also think that sometimes people who don't have allergies don't comprehend that smoky/moldy/pet-loved books can really be a problem for a recipient who is allergic. I mean, water damaged or creased books are a matter of individual preference, but if you are allergic to cats and you try to read a cat-loved book and all of a sudden your eyes turn red and water and swell and your head starts filling with snot and you're sneezing everywhere... that is not fun.

I once got a lot of fuzzy-cat-ified baby board books from a friend of mine to post on BM and while I love kitties, my partner is allergic. He was reading ISBNs to me from the pile and actually had to stop because he starting having reactions. I felt so bad even though it was his offer to help :( .

153skittles
Aug 10, 2011, 1:54pm Top

Speaking as a cat-servant, I can always tell when I get a book from another cat kingdom!

I got a few books from the post office yesterday & as I was unwrapping them, HRH rushed over, demanded to be let up & then immediately found the one from another cat kingdom & rubbed his paws & face all over it!! An Invader Item!! It has been a long time since I've seen that dramatic an action. The book looked fine & only mildly read, but the other cat must have slept on it or something!!

154karenmarie
Aug 10, 2011, 2:03pm Top

Aren't cats the most amazing creatures? One of my kitties will plop down on books that are next to the computer. Another one will climb in my lap and onto the book I'm reading - totally blocking the pages.

155Mareofthesea
Aug 10, 2011, 2:54pm Top

Dryer fluff envelope. ALL over. They should really be illegal.

It's been one of those days...

156skittles
Aug 10, 2011, 4:16pm Top

#155: LOL!! There needs to be a warning on those envelopes!!

Whenever I must use one, I put a warning on the outside.

157macsbrains
Aug 10, 2011, 6:44pm Top

>153 skittles: Aww! That is so cute! I really miss having kitties to co-opt all items and declare them for the cat kingdom. I've settled for cat-sitting until I can find some way to replace my bf's immune system. (Still looking into that...)

158jfThing
Aug 10, 2011, 7:40pm Top

> 154, 157 Cats are amazing with that stuff. It's not just books. Other scenarios:

- I put down a box. I turn around. I turn back. Kitty in a box! This goes for suitcases as well. Packing is difficult.

- I put down my laundry hamper, full of fresh, clean, folded clothes. I turn around. I turn back. Kitty is settling in and looking at me innocently.

We've tried decoy books, boxes, hampers. No dice. Cats know. They only go for the stuff you don't particularly want them to go for.

159Heather19
Edited: Aug 10, 2011, 8:24pm Top

Funny that cats are being talked about... we apparently have a new stray around the apartments. And it's tiny and all-black and sooooo cute, and apparently it's already adopted me. I spent some time cuddling it while waiting for my ride this morning, and when I got home found out it had spent all day on our patio (cats often jump in/out of our patio).

On-topic: I can't find my Sharpie marker. It is the ONLY good marker I have, and what I usually use to mark out addresses/etc on used envelopes. I have a whole stack of envelopes to mark up, and no marker.

160SusieBookworm
Aug 10, 2011, 9:02pm Top

Slightly off-topic: who came up with dryer fluff envelopes?! I haven't had anyone from BookMooch use them, but Random House is bad about it. I hate it when I get books that come covered with the stuff.

161carod
Aug 10, 2011, 10:44pm Top

And why are dryer fluff envelopes designed in such a way that it is impossible to open them without the dryer fluff getting loose.

162jjmcgaffey
Aug 11, 2011, 4:19am Top

157> Have you tried to see if he reacts to Siamese the same way he does to others? It sounds like he has stronger reactions than I do, but I am allergic to normal cats (totally stuffed up after a few minutes with one) and not at all to Siamese. Apparently Siamese (and, I'm told, Abyssinians, but can't confirm from personal experience) actually have a different set of allergens than most cats. People who are allergic to the one may not be to the other.

163Conachair
Aug 11, 2011, 4:45am Top

#158 Try packing if a 17 kg dog jumps on your suitcase demanding that you don't leave him alone :-)

164readingwithtea
Aug 11, 2011, 5:19am Top

159: is it possible that you can't see the black Sharpie marker against the black cat???
(not helpful, I know, but I had a cute image of the cat making off with your marker and leaving you confused)

165carod
Aug 11, 2011, 1:49pm Top

>I just got back from a lovely trip south of the border and found Sharpies on sale! I picked up four of the little dears and now have supplies for months of happy addressing;)

166macsbrains
Aug 11, 2011, 11:06pm Top

>162 jjmcgaffey: That's very interesting! I'll have to look into that because I really hate not having pets.

167bookel
Aug 11, 2011, 11:29pm Top

There are non-allergenic cats apparently (look it up on Google) including Cornish and Devon Rex etc.

168alicemeg
Aug 12, 2011, 11:18am Top

Gee, I like the dryer fluff envelopes. Not that I actually buy them, but it's good I found out others hate them!

169AnnieMod
Aug 12, 2011, 1:17pm Top

>168 alicemeg:
They are great. Until you get one that is ripped open and all the gray stuff comes down on your floor. Just after you spend half a day cleaning.

170dudes22
Aug 12, 2011, 3:36pm Top

>169 AnnieMod: Or have on your best cashmere/mohair/name-your-fiber sweater that will now need to be hand-pick of fluff.

171bookel
Aug 12, 2011, 6:28pm Top

I do not use them as they are thicker and heavier, causing a higher postage cost and weight. Plus countless people say they don't like it when the fluff escapes. I open any I receive with scissors at the end, but it is still no guarantee the fluff won't get out.

172karenmarie
Aug 14, 2011, 10:04am Top

I sent a book out on July 5th and have sent two e-mails to the moocher, not any reminders. I just read about force receives and it says that after you send out a reminder, 6 weeks from the reminder, you'll be able to force receive.

Should I have sent out reminders instead of e-mails? I was trying to be nice but if the force receive works the way it appears to, I'll end up having to wait a total of almost 12 weeks before getting it off my pending page.

173carod
Aug 14, 2011, 12:30pm Top

I would have done the same as you karenmarie. Even though it is a longer process, I think a forced received is really a last resort. And automated emails can come across as so cold and rude. So I first send a couple of polite emails and then, eventually, a reminder. I've sent over 1900 books and only recently had my first forced receive. I was very reluctant but the moocher had been inactive for a while and I didn't see any other way of resolving it.

174carod
Aug 15, 2011, 7:30pm Top

A little whine. I just had 3 ask first books denied. One from Europe. The owner would only accept if I would mooch 5 books because "it would be cheaper to buy it from Amazon". That one always irks me since it is not "cheap" to buy used books from Amazon. Generally they cost more than new books, with the shipping costs. The other two were from a U.S. member which, as those of you who mail books to Canada know, makes so very little sense. Why be set to "ask first" if you are in the States and not be willing to mail to Canada? None of the books were ones that I really badly want, certainly not enough to organize an angel. It's just irritating when the books are dangling out there looking like they are possible to get and then ....not. sigh.

175AnnieMod
Aug 15, 2011, 7:40pm Top

>174 carod:

For the European one- maybe she means that it will be cheaper for her to buy her books off Amazon than to ship 1 by one internationally and then use the points. Not that it makes it ok -- but if she asks you to get more books so she accepts, that is what it sounds to me...

176carod
Aug 15, 2011, 9:51pm Top

>175 AnnieMod: What she says in her bio is: I'm sorry, but otherwise the postal charges are too high and it would be cheaper if you just bought a new book. which is a bit presumptuous, and untrue;) The only time I've used that argument myself was when a fellow Canadian mooched a quite recent MMPB from me which would have cost twice as much to mail as for me to buy it for her new from Bookdepository (or for her to run to Walmart and get it herself). So I'm not entirely unsympathetic with the argument that spending far more postage on a book than it is worth is silly. But I think that argument only holds true for books that are readily available at a reasonable cost where the would-be moocher lives. Which isn't true for books from Amazon for Canadians. I am no longer mooching recent MMPB unless from mooch buddies who go to the effort of reserving them for me. I am using Bookmooch to find older, out of print books or trade paperbacks which would be more expensive to buy locally or on-line.

177Heather19
Aug 15, 2011, 9:57pm Top

Ugggghhhh I HATE the "it would be cheaper to buy" arguement! It's so completely unfair and so completely untrue. As I've stated before during those type of discussions, I earned my points fair and square, and they are the BM currency. Why the heck would I go out and spend *more* money to buy a book when I've already spent money to earn my points? Also, for many of us, points are in abundance but cash is not. And Amazon? If you don't have Paypal or a credit card, that's not an option either.

*ahem* Sorry, that excuse really pushes my buttons.

I never understand the US-Canada thing myself. I know that some people with "ask first" statuses can only send internationally every so often, but to Canada? One normal-sized paperback to Canada only costs about the same as two normal-sized domestic packages, and you get *three* points! It doesn't make sense to me. I love getting mooches from Canada.

178ZoeyEve
Aug 16, 2011, 12:58am Top

@ Carod; I understand having bookmooch points and not wanting to spend the money on amazon or another site when I can order the book using my bookmooch points. I am not saying a book is cheaper from these sites but I noticed the noted the talk about a site called Bookdepository. I was wondering if you have ever used www.betterworldbooks.com ; this site offers free shipping worldwide and from personal experience it is cheaper than book depository--the next time you are used book searching on the web.

I am all for book mooching and exchanging but thought you might like another site for searching used books.

Heather19; sorry Heather this site requires a credit card. I have a friend who recently cut up all of his credit cards; what he did was purchase with cash a prepaid credit card from a local grocery store. He used that on amazon recently and it worked. Just trying to offer you an option for purchasing items over the internet; not specifically books or anything.

Happy Mooching
Zoey

179carod
Aug 16, 2011, 1:07am Top

Zoey,
Yes, I have used Betterworldbooks before. The reason I mentioned Bookdepostitory was that for a new paperback it is cheaper than Amazon and also cheaper than Bookmooch or Betterworldbooks. Betterworldbooks is great if it happens to have the book you are looking for and if they are having one of their sales. Their regular prices for used paperbacks are still a bit too high (even with free postage) for me to spend on a used mmpb ($7.00 or more).

180ZoeyEve
Aug 16, 2011, 9:23am Top

Well that's a bummer...most of the books I find on there are in the 3 to 4 range. I will keep an eye out for sites offering free shipping to Canada as I troll around the web. I know awesome books out of the UK offer free shipping to North America with a 2 book minimum but the only books I get from there are old Enid Blyton books since the updated versions of her stories are politically correct ---how can you change an author's writing but that is another vent. That is the first site I have found that ships to this part of the world free and for the books I wanted about 4 each--where on amazon the same books were 10=15; guess people down in the USA just don't read her.

Again Happy Mooching; hope you find the books you want soon.

181dudes22
Aug 16, 2011, 12:03pm Top

>Heather19: I couldn't agree more. I love mooches from Canada. I'm only set to "ask first" in case there's a large book in my inventory that would be reeeaaallly expensive to send to another country. I think I've only refused someone once.

182maryjanemanolos
Edited: Aug 17, 2011, 6:12pm Top

SO here's my vent: A user mooched a book from me back in May. I couldn't find it because I had just moved. She cancelled the transaction and I sent an email explaining the situation. I found it recently and put it back in my inventory, thinking that if she still wanted it it would pop up in her wishlist. She didn't mooch it but someone else did about 2 weeks later, so I sent it. The original moocher goes back to our transaction from MAY and gives me a -1 feedback, saying that I "broke a promice! BAD TRADEING!" (her spelling).

So I check out this lady's history and she's done this to several other people, including another person who had lost the book. She gave HER negative feedback because they lady didn't tell her soon enough, and could have done so "days before." She also told another person "i have an inventory list and i mark them when they're sold sold?...just an idea for you..." She's heinous! AND she's only sent 3 books, and all others have been magically lost in the mail. I reported her to BM, but WOW.

183ZoeyEve
Aug 17, 2011, 7:29pm Top

My own personal rant...it has been one of those weeks. A package I sent to a friend ended up arriving with none of the contents inside--just an empty enevlope :( and a book I have been wanting appears totally lost in the mail. Oh bummer; back on the wishlist it goes. Before anyone suggests it; it could not be the local post office as they were sent via 2 different post offices...mine was mailed from my work area post office and the one coming to me was coming to my home..totally different cities. Oh well hopefully next week will be better.

184Heather19
Aug 17, 2011, 8:25pm Top

182: Glad you reported her, wow! Some people can be so rude!

185maryjanemanolos
Aug 18, 2011, 7:31pm Top

184: I know, right? She got the notification of the note I put on our transaction detail, and has started sending me nasty emails. I. Um. SPAM FOLDER, CRAZY LADY. SPAM FOLDER.

186Heather19
Aug 18, 2011, 7:59pm Top

Forward those emails to the abuse-team, too. That's happened to me before.

187maryjanemanolos
Aug 19, 2011, 7:10am Top

I just blocked her email address so she can't contact me anymore. I've already reported her, and her account is temporarily suspended so I'm assuming others have complained about her as well. I don't want any more drama.

188rainbowgirl28
Aug 19, 2011, 6:23pm Top

Ewww I just got a book that has bubblegum or something sticking two of the pages together. I'm just going to throw it out :( Yuck :(

I left neutral feedback and reminded them to use condition notes. They also sent a book with a page completely ripped out, so it's not like this was one little thing they overlooked.

189macsbrains
Aug 19, 2011, 7:43pm Top

I've had a book pending from a newbie since May who delayed for two weeks and then a month and then just a little longer. I agreed because I'm not in a rush, and while I think it makes no sense to list a bunch of books you can't send, they were a newbie and I didn't want to entirely scare them away. But in these past 3 months they have mooched several books and not sent a thing to anyone. I sent an auto reminder a week ago with no response, and all that time they've been logging in. Now they're outright rejecting requests, all with an open inventory.

I hate hitting the abuse button, but it had to be done. Not a single book sent, not one.

190Heather19
Aug 19, 2011, 9:24pm Top

189: Ugggghhhhh I hate that. I'm usually very patient with delays, especially with newbies, but when they keep requesting books without sending a single one out? ABUSE!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed on a book I mooched today. The user has spotty history, a lot of rejections and losts, but this book has been on my wishlist for awhile now.

191virginiahomeschooler
Aug 19, 2011, 10:13pm Top

I recently noticed a book on my wishlist was available, so I requested it. I got a rejection, and the reason given was "I am sorry, this book is no longer available." Is this something I should leave negative feedback for? I understand that it's possible they were going to reserve it for someone, but they should've had time to do that - I saw the book was available while looking at my RSS feed (don't know how long it was showing up on there as I don't stalk it as much as I used to), went to the site, logged in, clicked wishlist, then mooched. Plenty of time for them to have put it on reserve. And if that was the reasoning, shouldn't they have said so? I don't know. I guess I've not gotten anything for a few months, and I was really excited that this book had popped up then so disappointed to get a rejection.

192Heather19
Aug 19, 2011, 10:28pm Top

Hmmm. Usually the "no longer available" excuses come from books that have been in the inventory forever and were lost/misplaced/given away and forgot to update inventory. A newly-added book that's no longer available? Hmm.

I'd email them first, asking for clarification on why it was rejected and how it's no longer available right after it was posted. Give them a chance to explain, and then depending on their response, leave appropriate feedback.

193virginiahomeschooler
Aug 19, 2011, 10:32pm Top

Heather, thanks for the suggestion. I just sent this email to her:

Hi. I was just wondering why this book was rejected. I know you put that it was no longer available, but as it had just recently been posted, I don't really understand that. If someone had gotten to it ahead of me, surely I wouldn't have been allowed to click mooch. Could you possibly give me some clarification as to why the mooch was rejected?

194maryjanemanolos
Aug 20, 2011, 4:51pm Top

Ok, seriously. This lady is now leaving nasty comments on my PERSONAL BLOG. I had to go through and individually delete them. I've reported her for abuse three times now- once for the transaction, once for the emails, and now for the blog postings. I haven't heard anything from BM....is anyone out there? Can I get a little help here?

195jdthloue
Aug 20, 2011, 4:57pm Top

Well, i have a gun....

196maryjanemanolos
Aug 20, 2011, 6:05pm Top

195- Ha! I actually just got a response from BM. They changed the feedback and responded to my abuse messages. I feel better, heh.

197Heather19
Aug 20, 2011, 8:00pm Top

It's really upsetting (at least to me, maybe it just pissed you off?) when that happens. I'm fairly certain those type of users are few and far between, but I did have a similar run-in a few years back, someone who attacked me via email AND the (old) BM forums AND on BookCrossing, just because I left *neutral* feedback about the packaging. ..... Thankfully abuse was on top of things. But yeah, I just... Wow. Those type of people just boggle my mind.

198skittles
Aug 20, 2011, 9:30pm Top

This is one reason why I keep my LT, BM, & RL as separate as possible. Yes, some people have made the connection, but...

I've also had RL problems, so I'm extra sensitive to this type of abuse & harassment. Very scary.

Good Luck, maryjanemanolos!

199maryjanemanolos
Aug 21, 2011, 6:54am Top

I was only just irritated until she started leaving comments in places other than just the BM transaction. Then I got a little...I dunno, freaked out? But it's been taken care of, so I'm just going to try to move on. It's the only negative experience I've had at BM in the 150 transactions I've done, so I'm just going to try to forget it.

200skittles
Aug 21, 2011, 7:45am Top

And since we are at 200 posts, I'm going to close this thread & start the new one!!

The New thread is HERE::::: http://www.librarything.com/topic/122435

THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!!
THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!!
THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!!
THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!!


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