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1JohnT.DaleJr.
Edited: Jul 10, 2011, 8:53pm Top

Dear Professional Staff of Library Thing,

You need to add Esperanto to the pop-up list of languages in which groups conduct themselves. There are between 500,000 to 1,000,000 Esperantists on Earth. Esperantists are by nature international communicators, and the amount of Esperanto-language traffic on the Internet has been estimated at roughly half that of Italian, which makes Esperanto a very significant Internet language. In addition, it is estimated that 30,000 to 40,000 books have been published in Esperanto, which makes it a significant written language as well.

Please let me know your decision.

Thanks,

John Dale

2BTRIPP
Edited: Jul 10, 2011, 10:08pm Top

I'm sure the humility of your request is leaving them speechless.

Are all "Esperantists" this pushy, or is it just the ones on the Internet?

It's always so pleasant when people with just 1 book on the site blow into Talk and start telling folks what they NEED to do.

 

3Brian_Barker
Jul 10, 2011, 11:18pm Top

Personally I think it rather evangelical to ask people to "become an Esperantist". Rather insulting to those who consider themselves Esperanto speakers and do not want to be part of an "Esperantist" sect or an "Esperantist" religion.

As an Esperanto speaker myself however I would add that the Esperanto study course http://www.lernu.net is now receiving 123,000 hits per month.

That can't be bad :)

4jjwilson61
Jul 11, 2011, 12:25am Top

5gangleri
Edited: Jul 11, 2011, 8:53pm Top

Dear friends; some weeks ago while working on publisher series in Esperanto as Stafeto, Beletraj kajeroj, Belliteratura serio, Oriento-Okcidento etc. (I tagged related books with …•epo and "to dos" with …•epo-X; these books can be sorted by the comment field depending on your catalog setup) I noticed that
I was not able to insert cannonical titels in Common Knowledge in Esperanto. Many works are imported with improper selling from various book sources due to character encoding problems.
Having Esperanto as a language for Common Knowledge is a must. I did not post much at talks because I was busy adding author pictures, Common Knowledge, links etc.

Today I also noticed that group "Esperanto! does not show up at Explore groups by language because group setup does not offer Esperanto as language option there.

This should be only a setup issue. I assume that is a configuration issue of less then 15 minutes. Thank you very much for all your efforts. Best regards and greetings from Munich Germany.

Uups! fixed html (the links did not show up)

6gangleri
Jul 11, 2011, 9:38pm Top

A curriosity note: I used Russian as Common Knowledge language to create a list of Esperanto authors (Эсперанто many with new pictures and WP links). There are more hundereds to come ...

7JemmyHope
Jul 13, 2011, 3:07pm Top

Ah! So there is a hierarchy of librarything members; more books, more right to a hearing. Once again I find myself consigned to the voiceless underclass. "Esperantists"? Quotation marks as a textual sneer?

82wonderY
Jul 13, 2011, 3:25pm Top

Wow! It is a day for rudeness. JohnT.DaleJr., I personally think your request is reasonable and stated in a most becoming fashion.

9AnnieMod
Jul 13, 2011, 3:27pm Top

>2 BTRIPP:
And what does the number of books have to do with the request to add a new language? Maybe the majority of their library is in Esperanto... and not having it here makes LT a bit... non-welcoming for people that speak the language.

>5 gangleri:
We have a group? And I never noticed... :)

10rsterling
Jul 13, 2011, 3:52pm Top

I don't know much about Esperanto or the Esperanto/ist(?) community, but FWIW I also thought the language request perfectly reasonable, and was confused by the hostility of the responses.* OP, you might want to drop one of the staff an email with your suggestion, in case they don't notice this thread.

*(Even weirder, poster 3 seems to have joined only to post that message, and I think it's actually spam, since someone identically named has been posting links to that site all over the internet.)

11AnnieMod
Jul 13, 2011, 4:00pm Top

>10 rsterling:

He might had posted it as spam but the site is legit (and popping up anytime when Esperanto is mentioned). Not that it is a good idea someone to just show up and post it -- that actually pisses me off most of the time... sounds almost like shoving it down everyone's throat with no real reason and alienating people from the site.

As for the community - you have your extremists and you have people that simply speak and enjoy the language but do not subscribe to the "Let's use that for international communication everywhere" crusade :)

12ringman
Jul 13, 2011, 7:32pm Top

A short explanation of languages and LT would I think be helpful.

As well as the main site LibraryThing.com there are copies of the site in other languages www.LibraryThing.de for German, cym.librarything.com for Welsh etc. One place where you can get a list of these is to select zeitgeist and then languages. All are connected to the same database of 64 Million books, but each has its own Common Knowledge. The way these site have been generated is that a for each phrase used - "Jump to first unread" and "Groups you admin" are two examples on this page - are stored in each language. When a new language is introduced all the phrases are set to those used on the English site, and the users of the language are invited to contribute translations. Thus the new language sites evolve, some more successfully than others.

The available "group languages" options are the languages of these sites.

13AnnieMod
Jul 13, 2011, 7:36pm Top

Having a local site requires someone to do the translation... which makes it a bit restrictive - we do have a Bulgarian version because I spent a lot of time translating (and need to get back to that). I am keeping my own profile out of there though because it is screwing up the stats (I have more books than all other members combined...)

Adding a language for a group can be a first step for identifying new languages for that... So I don't see why this list should not be the list allowed for books... :)

14gangleri
Edited: Jul 14, 2011, 5:23am Top

Hi!
a) The statistic "Language: Esperanto" (on LT) lists the counter 520
Originally in Esperanto. It seeems that this counter has not been updated since long time. btw: As can be seen at Language: Hausa showing the counter 12 but listing one work only we can see the need of two counters (one for works and one for copies) and an indication (timestamp) about when the statistic was made.
b) "TagWatch will return shortly. Work in progress." tag Esperanto shows: Using the tag Esperanto
LevGalicia (2634), gangleri (734), Bibliotekisto (304), acmf (155), prosfilaes (57), nealmcb (47), Micheletto (43), jhbadger (40), Budz888 (36), agrao (25), Josxko (24), sowdman (17), stancliff (17), MMcM (17), klerulo (13), stevo (12), walterggreen3 (11), casuistry (11), illinoisray (11), ioan_glan_tawe (10), bca (8) ... and 217 other members
My catalog sorted by timestamps (when I added the books) lists 797 books.

c) Esperanto is using the following special characters not included in the basic Latin character set: Ĉ, Ĝ, Ĥ, Ĵ, Ŝ, Ŭ, ĉ, ĝ, ĥ, ĵ, ŝ, ŭ. There have been many ways used in the past to encode these characters in varoius catalogues from combined diacritical marks, substitutions (either ch, gh, hh ... or cx, gx hx ...), usage of UTF-8, simplification etc. The result is quite chaotic.
Examples for required LT Common Knowledge canonical titles:
c1) not Aŭstralia antologio but Aŭstralia antologio ...
c2) not Duonvoce but Duonvoĉe ...
c3) not Ĉiu-Ĉiun but Ĉiu-Ĉiun ...
d) There is a lot of Common Knowledge cleanup required for:
d1) Honora Membro de UEA
d2) Akademio Internacia de la Sciencoj San Marino / International Academy of Sciences San Marino
d3) Akademio de Esperanto / Academy of Esperanto
d4) Esperanto and Эсперанто

from my FF bookmark list of involved authors: (hardcoded to www - English LT)
http://www.librarything.com/author/567370459&norefer=1&all=1
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http://www.librarything.com/author/behrmannhermann-1&norefer=1&all=1
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http://www.librarything.com/author/szathmrisndor&norefer=1&all=1
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http://www.librarything.com/author/talmeymax&norefer=1&all=1
http://www.librarything.com/author/traxlerkarel&norefer=1&all=1
http://www.librarything.com/author/ungarkrys&norefer=1&all=1
http://www.librarything.com/author/universalaesperantoa&norefer=1&all=1
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15gangleri
Edited: Jul 14, 2011, 7:53am Top

>5 gangleri: Note on the …•epo and …•epo-X tags:
"TagWatch will return shortly. Work in progress.".
Books where I added (publisher) series so far: …•epo
To dos: …•epo-X
Depending on catalogue column customization you may sort on the column "comments". This way the series will be sorted ;-)

P.S.. replaced && in links with &

16AnnieMod
Jul 14, 2011, 5:52am Top

Now if you slow down and say in human terms what the problem is, that might help.

The special characters exist in a lot of Central European languages - if they cannot be used really in CK, that's a real issue... I believe they can be used now? Although we cannot use canonical title in Esperanto on the English site.

As for old records - the same problem exist in a lot of language - including German and the Scandinavian ones. And it will keep showing up because the sources are the same mess. We just need to combine...

17guido47
Jul 14, 2011, 6:54am Top

Hi all,

#14. What the fuck?

Are you talking to us or preaching?

A really strange thread for an
"internatural language for common communication".

What went wrong?

18BTRIPP
Jul 14, 2011, 10:18am Top

Re. #17 "Are you talking to us or preaching?"

Exactly. I have never encountered an "Esperanto fan" on the web who was not a pushy jerk, insisting that their little pet made-up language had to be accommodated by what ever site, organization, database, etc. they showed up on. Can you imagine if the "Klingon fans" were making the same demands (especially with how all the assorted diacritical marks appeared!)? At least with the Klingon folks, the aggressive demanding would be in character as opposed to the "kumbayah" official line of the Esperanto groups. I suspect that Esperanto appeals to a particular type who would otherwise spend their lives being "a little Hitler" at the DMV or similar governmental morass ... the sort who gets their biggest thrills from telling you that you didn't fill out the paperwork exactly according to regulations and so they're rejecting it.

 

19gangleri
Jul 14, 2011, 11:17am Top

>14 gangleri: The list is about to dos. If you look at my contributions you may understand that there are many things to do here. The problem is that the corresponding language for Common Knowledge in Esperanto is missing so far.

btw: I learned that language in 1978 in Romania and contributed in 1979-1981 to two books published in the University of Timişoara. With a group of many closed friends we made the dictionaries ro-eo and eo-ro with both having 10,000+ words. I met all kind of "experts" on that language during the decades ...

20krazy4katz
Jul 14, 2011, 11:59am Top

>17 guido47:, 18, OK, chill (please?). We all know that this kind of communication sometimes misses people's intentions. I thought the request in #1 was quite polite. 14 and 15 might be a bit over-technical, but hey, so what? Tim will either say yes or no. AnnieMod obviously understands at least part of the problem. The rest of us don't have to get so bothered.

k4k

21AnnieMod
Jul 14, 2011, 2:07pm Top

>17 guido47:
That's his way, not just Esperanto-related. You should see some of his old threads in Combining (hey gangleri) :) It is just technical stuff - in most cases it is really useful but way too technical :)

>18 BTRIPP: I have never encountered an "Esperanto fan" on the web who was not a pushy jerk

Nice meeting you then... Although I am somewhat offended by your... definitions. Wonder why. You might want to reconsider your suspicions on who the language appeals to. Oh hold on, maybe you did not even realize that you have another "Esperanto fan" in this thread - I don't seem to match your definitions so I don't exist or what? :)

I said it above - there are different people that use Esperanto. Some are pushy and they are a lot more visible. Some are not. Same as with any group of people. People usually would not push that much for a language that has native speakers (although I do know people that raised their kids with Esperanto as native language) -- an artificial language is just a tiny bit different in that regard.

And it is not about accommodating -- maybe I was pushy back in the days when I asked Tim for adding Bulgarian (if I remember correctly - I tend to do that on a lot of sites when BG is not an option and I might have found it here already setup)? Esperanto is a language and has books written in it. It is normal for people to want to use it...

>19 gangleri:
A site is missing as well technically :) Fancy translating LT in Esperanto if we convince Tim to get it added so translations can be started? Because we cannot have CK if we don't have a language site (as someone pointed out) although I wish we could use the CK as a first step (as I mentioned above). And not all of the Esperanto speakers speak English (so Esperanto CK will help for the special symbols so we can see what the book is... but in the long run it won't help anyone that does not speak English to actually have a better grasp on the site. Just thinking aloud.

>20 krazy4katz:

I know Esperanto so I know what they are talking about. And working with various languages that use different alphabets (Bulgarian is my native one after all), I am usually on the short end of any issues that LT has with encoding :)

22BTRIPP
Jul 14, 2011, 2:27pm Top

Re. #21: "I don't seem to match your definitions so I don't exist or what? :)"

Well, you would certainly be "a first" in 30 years!

 

23AnnieMod
Jul 14, 2011, 2:33pm Top

:) Or maybe you just never paid attention to the not-so-vocal part of the community :)

Don't get me wrong - I know the pushy type and they annoy me as much as they annoy you I suspect. But not everyone is like that :)

24krazy4katz
Jul 14, 2011, 9:48pm Top

>21 AnnieMod:

How interesting! How did you end up learning Esperanto?

k4k

25AnnieMod
Jul 15, 2011, 1:09am Top

Got bored and stumbled upon a site while searching for something else :) I love languages so decided to try it - they have a free course with a real human checking your exercises. It was more a game than anything else initially... I was on a mission to learn to count to 10 in as many languages as I can... and ended up never doing that but learning Esperanto instead. Its ordered grammar actually helps deal with a lot more complicated grammars (not that the Bulgarian or the Russian or the German ones are easy but I can see how it can be used to introduce people to the concepts so they can understand better the grammars with a lot of exceptions.

But I would never push Esperanto to anyone - for me it is a language, not a political platform. And one of the things that make it somewhat preferable sometimes (together with Latin, Ancient Greek and any other classical language) is that it has no native speakers (the odd few exceptions notwithstanding). So I was on a common ground with a native English speaker. If I had found a site that was allowing me to learn Latin in the same way instead, I would have done that I suspect - the whole thing was really a case of luck - at least initially. Besides I like the idea of an eas-ish common language that can be used in cases with no other common languages... How well it works is a different story - I can understand any speaker of Esperanto but the way the sentence is ordered and the choice of some words over others in most cases give away the family of the native language of the speaker. Still - I can understand it. :)

These days things are different but back then (not so long ago really), my written English needed a lot more work. :) It's actually easier for me to use English these days... but I still like Esperanto and use it for reading occasionally (and for translations Eo->Bg on various Esperanto-related sites).

26prosfilaes
Jul 15, 2011, 4:02am Top

#18: I have never encountered an "Esperanto fan" on the web who was not a pushy jerk, insisting that their little pet made-up language had to be accommodated by what ever site, organization, database, etc. they showed up on.

So now people who have ponies you don't need are pushy jerks? It's a nice place of privilege, being an English-only speaker who gets everything handed to them and can sneer at people who need support for other languages.

27JemmyHope
Jul 15, 2011, 9:11am Top

I see Hitler's name has surfaced in this exchange. That'll be the same Hitler who outlawed Esperanto and sent Esperantists to the labour camps.
His spirit lives on.

28gangleri
Jul 15, 2011, 10:27am Top

>27 JemmyHope: That's life! I know people with a high opinion about themselves which would never give a dime to a beggar.
LT is a place where you can find many sources related to a sentence / a quote from Schindlers list "Saving one life is saving the whole world.".
re. "preaching": Budapest is a place where notable examples of help to other people happened. To understand that Esperantists learned what world the want to have I can tell you what happened to me at the eave of 1981 in Budapest. I was still a Rumanian citizen and participated a Esperanto New Year meeting where around 300 people where participating. I decided never to return to Rumania and survive in the underground if necessary. I asked 150 people to help me to go West. At the 2nd of January a Croation friend asked me: "Reinhardt did you get help?" I answered "No." He answered "Take my passport." I went that evening by train to Vienna. He got the passport back in 24 hours via friends. We met again during the next years at various E-meetings. I was never able to return similar help to another person but the amount does not matter.

29krazy4katz
Jul 15, 2011, 12:46pm Top

That is a wonderful story, gangleri. Congratulations! See, that is what I love about LT -- I get to learn about other parts of the world and other people's perspectives, as well as finding new and interesting books to read.

Back to the subject: if Tim can take the time to do Pirate Talk (which I think was very worthwhile! Smirk!), I think Esperanto would not be unreasonable. How does that work? Does someone have to volunteer to continually translate, or is it a one-time thing to translate the major headings for work pages, talk groups etc. Obviously I am very naive about the process.

k4k

30AnnieMod
Jul 15, 2011, 12:59pm Top

It is a continual translation effort but anyone can help once we start. So as long as it gets started, people can chime in and whatever is not translated is seen in English.

The big translation usually happens pretty early and does not get changed much :)

31rolandperkins
Jul 15, 2011, 11:18pm Top

". . .add Esperanto to the pop-up list of languages"

I have nothing for or against Esperanto, but I think a more useful revision would
be to replace the pop-up list altogether: Just give us a chance to type in what-
ever language is applicable to the book that we're entering. Then, I wouldn't have to
compile a list, containing, like " Hawaiian, Hawai'i CReole, tongan, Maori (Etc.)..."

32jjmcgaffey
Jul 16, 2011, 4:42am Top

The advantage of the popup list is that then all listings for a language are the same. If you typed in what you said, someone who entered Hawai'i Creole would make a different listing than your CReole - and someone who typed in Hawaii Creole would make yet another (just as an example).

33prosfilaes
Jul 16, 2011, 12:10pm Top

#31: Have you ever looked at a system that had that? The list of languages runs English, Englifh, Eligish, French, Francois, François, etc.

34rolandperkins
Edited: Jul 28, 2011, 4:56pm Top

On 32-33:

I don't understand your objection, prosfilaes (33), that "the LIST of languages runs (etc.)" There wouldn't BE any list in what I'm proposing, just a space for typing in the name. I could understand the argument -- "I like the list --the way it is or reformable", --though I don't myself like it. (Addendum 07/28: and Iʻm not talking about the languages of Groups, here, just about languages that can be called "Primary, Secondary, or Original language of a particular book.

Another member and I have discussed this in messages. You can read this member, Roberto's, commentary, which is in Castillian, in the message Section of my Profile. He favors adding "gallego"* to the existing list, just as the adding of Esperanto was suggested in this thread, but he also raises the question of HOW it would be expressed; "galego" or ""Galician", (like your mention of "Hawai'i Creole" vs. "Creole".) But that's irrelevant to what I'm suggesting, as it wouldn't become part of a list.

*Gallego: Romance language of Northwestern Spain; or, some would say "dialect" (or Portuguese) rather than "language".

35sparrowbunny
Edited: Jul 16, 2011, 3:51pm Top

But that's irrelevant to what I'm suggesting, as it wouldn't become part of a list.

Actually, it's incredibly relevant, Roland. Take a look at, say, this page posted by gangleri. There's a list of languages to the side there. If, as you suggest, we allow people to fill in the languages for themselves, lists like these will get cluttered with typos and people referring to a language differently. It would get unwieldly and cumbersome to use. Language names could be combined, sure, but it's still nowhere near ideal. A standardised list doesn't have those problems because everyone will, by necessity, use the same word and the same spelling.

I know we're talking group creation mostly, but the same issues still apply.

(Edited to polish up phrasing a little.)

36AnnieMod
Edited: Jul 18, 2011, 10:55am Top

>34 rolandperkins:

And then we will count how many mistakes can people make while typing a language name. I have experience with a similar system - what ended up happening was a combination system for languages so we can indicate that English, Anglese, Englis, Inglish, Amercan, USAn (real examples by the way) and so on are the same one. It was fast replaced by a list. And LT already has a long list(the one that you book can be written in) - technically speaking if a language is not there, you cannot put books in that language so it makes no sense to have CK in that language...

Edit: Spelling...

37gangleri
Edited: Jul 17, 2011, 12:48pm Top

The above proposal to add all languages available for book languages makes much sense. Exceptions should be the options ";(blanc)" , "mul;Multiple languages" and "und;Undetermined":
To see this list of language names in your actual LT language proceed as follows:
a) edit one of your books; go to the language setup ("Primary language")
b) select the "show all languages" (if not already displayed);
c) you may look at the source code of the page and search for either "div class="languageMenu" or "select name="field_lang"" or "id="field_lang"" or "select name="field_lang2"" or ""field_lang2"";
d) the LT language options will follow with language codes and translations for your LT language.

See them sorted by language codes and English names:
aar;Afar
abk;Abkhaz
ace;Achinese
ach;Acoli
ada;Adangme
ady;Adygei
afa;Afroasiatic (Other)
afh;Afrihili (Artificial language)
afr;Afrikaans
ajm;Aljamía
aka;Akan
akk;Akkadian
alb;Albanian
ale;Aleut
alg;Algonquian (Other)
all;All languages
amh;Amharic
ang;Old English
apa;Apache languages
ara;Arabic
arc;Aramaic
arg;Aragonese Spanish
arm;Armenian
arn;Mapuche
arp;Arapaho
art;Artificial (Other)
arw;Arawak
asm;Assamese
ast;Bable
ath;Athapascan (Other)
aus;Australian languages
ava;Avaric
ave;Avestan
awa;Awadhi
aym;Aymara
aze;Azerbaijani
bad;Banda
bai;Bamileke languages
bak;Bashkir
bal;Baluchi
bam;Bambara
ban;Balinese
baq;Basque
bas;Basa
bat;Baltic (Other)
bej;Beja
bel;Belarusian
bem;Bemba
ben;Bengali
ber;Berber (Other)
bho;Bhojpuri
bih;Bihari
bik;Bikol
bin;Edo
bis;Bislama
bla;Siksika
bnt;Bantu (Other)
bos;Bosnian
bra;Braj
bre;Breton
btk;Batak
bua;Buriat
bug;Bugis
bul;Bulgarian
bur;Burmese
cad;Caddo
cai;Central American Indian (Other)
car;Carib
cat;Catalan
cau;Caucasian (Other)
ceb;Cebuano
cel;Celtic (Other)
cha;Chamorro
chb;Chibcha
che;Chechen
chg;Chagatai
chi;Chinese
chi1;Chinese, traditional
chi2;Chinese, simplified
chk;Truk
chm;Mari
chn;Chinook jargon
cho;Choctaw
chp;Chipewyan
chr;Cherokee
chu;Church Slavic
chv;Chuvash
chy;Cheyenne
cmc;Chamic languages
cop;Coptic
cor;Cornish
cos;Corsican
cpe;English-based Creoles and Pidgins
cpf;French-based Creoles and Pidgins
cpp;Portuguese-based Creoles and Pidgins
cre;Cree
crh;Crimean Tatar
crp;Creoles and Pidgins (Other)
cus;Cushitic (Other)
cze;Czech
dak;Dakota
dan;Danish
dar;Dargwa
day;Dayak
del;Delaware
den;Slave
dgr;Dogrib
din;Dinka
div;Divehi
doi;Dogri
dra;Dravidian (Other)
dua;Duala
dum;Dutch (Middle)
dut;Dutch
dyu;Dyula
dzo;Dzongkha
efi;Efik
egy;Egyptian
eka;Ekajuk
elx;Elamite
eng;English
enm;English (Middle)
epo;Esperanto
ERRR;CK Error
esk;Eskimo languages
est;Estonian
eth;Ethiopic
ewe;Ewe
ewo;Ewondo
fan;Fang
fao;Faroese
fat;Fanti
fij;Fijian
fin;Finnish
fiu;Finno-Ugrian (Other)
fon;Fon
fre;French
frm;French (Middle)
fro;Old French
fry;Frisian
ful;Fula
fur;Friulian
gaa;Gã
gay;Gayo
gba;Gbaya
gem;Germanic (Other)
geo;Georgian
ger;German
gez;Ethiopic
gil;Gilbertese
gla;Scottish Gaelic
gle;Irish
glg;Galician
glv;Manx
gmh;German (Middle High)
goh;German (Old High)
gon;Gondi
gor;Gorontalo
got;Gothic
grb;Grebo
grc;Greek (Ancient)
gre;Greek
grn;Guarani
gsw;Swiss German
gua;Guarani
guj;Gujarati
gwi;Gwich'in
hai;Haida
hat;Haitian French Creole
hau;Hausa
haw;Hawaiian
heb;Hebrew
her;Herero
hil;Hiligaynon
him;Himachali
hin;Hindi
hit;Hittite
hmn;Hmong
hmo;Hiri Motu
hun;Hungarian
hup;Hupa
iba;Iban
ibo;Igbo
ice;Icelandic
idl;Thingamabraian (the ideal language)
ido;Ido
iii;Sichuan Yi
ijo;Ijo
iku;Inuktitut
ile;Interlingue
ilo;Iloko
ina;Interlingua
inc;Indic (Other)
ind;Indonesian
ine;Indo-European (Other)
inh;Ingush
ipk;Inupiaq
ira;Iranian (Other)
iro;Iroquoian (Other)
ita;Italian
jav;Javanese
jpn;Japanese
jpr;Judeo-Persian
jrb;Judeo-Arabic
kaa;Kara-Kalpak
kab;Kabyle
kac;Kachin
kal;Kalaallisut
kam;Kamba
kan;Kannada
kar;Karen
kas;Kashmiri
kau;Kanuri
kaw;Kawi
kaz;Kazakh
kbd;Kabardian
kha;Khasi
khi;Khoisan (Other)
khm;Khmer
kho;Khotanese
kik;Kikuyu
kin;Kinyarwanda
kir;Kyrgyz
kmb;Kimbundu
kok;Konkani
kom;Komi
kon;Kongo
kor;Korean
kos;Kusaie
kpe;Kpelle
kro;Kru
kru;Kurukh
kua;Kuanyama
kum;Kumyk
kur;Kurdish
kut;Kutenai
lad;Ladino
lah;Lahnda
lam;Lamba
lan;Occitan (post-1500)
lao;Lao
lap;Sami
lat;Latin
lav;Latvian
lez;Lezgian
lim;Limburgish
lin;Lingala
lit;Lithuanian
lol;Mongo-Nkundu
loz;Lozi
ltz;Letzeburgesch
lua;Luba-Lulua
lub;Luba-Katanga
lug;Ganda
lui;Luiseño
lun;Lunda
luo;Luo (Kenya and Tanzania)
lus;Lushai
mac;Macedonian
mad;Madurese
mag;Magahi
mah;Marshallese
mai;Maithili
mak;Makasar
mal;Malayalam
man;Mandingo
mao;Maori
map;Austronesian (Other)
mar;Marathi
mas;Masai
may;Malay
mdr;Mandar
men;Mende
mga;Middle Irish
mic;Micmac
min;Minangkabau
mis;Miscellaneous languages
mkh;Mon-Khmer (Other)
mlg;Malagasy
mlt;Maltese
mnc;Manchu
mni;Manipuri
mno;Manobo languages
moh;Mohawk
mol;Moldavian
mon;Mongolian
mos;Mooré
mul;Multiple languages
mun;Munda (Other)
mus;Creek
mwr;Marwari
myn;Mayan languages
nah;Nahuatl
nai;North American Indian (Other)
nap;Neapolitan Italian
nau;Nauru
nav;Navajo
nbl;Ndebele (South Africa)
nde;Ndebele (Zimbabwe)
ndo;Ndonga
nds;Low German
nep;Nepali
new;Newari
nia;Nias
nic;Niger-Kordofanian (Other)
niu;Niuean
nno;Norwegian (Nynorsk)
nob;Norwegian (Bokmål)
nog;Nogai
non;Old Norse
nor;Norwegian
nso;Northern Sotho
nub;Nubian languages
nya;Nyanja
nym;Nyamwezi
nyn;Nyankole
nyo;Nyoro
nzi;Nzima
oci;Occitan (post-1500)
oji;Ojibwa
ori;Oriya
orm;Oromo
osa;Osage
oss;Ossetic
ota;Ottoman Turkish
oto;Otomian languages
paa;Papuan (Other)
pag;Pangasinan
pal;Pahlavi
pam;Pampanga
pan;Panjabi
pap;Papiamento
pau;Palauan
peo;Old Persian
per;Persian
phi;Philippine (Other)
phn;Phoenician
pir;Piratical
pli;Pali
pol;Polish
pon;Ponape
por;Portuguese
por1;Portuguese (Brazil)
por2;Portuguese (Portugal)
pra;Prakrit languages
pro;Provençal (to 1500)
pus;Pushto
que;Quechua
raj;Rajasthani
rap;Rapanui
rar;Rarotongan
roa;Romance (Other)
roh;Raeto-Romance
rom;Romani
rum;Romanian
run;Rundi
rus;Russian
sad;Sandawe
sag;Sango (Ubangi Creole)
sah;Yakut
sai;South American Indian (Other)
sal;Salishan languages
sam;Samaritan Aramaic
san;Sanskrit
sao;Samoan
sas;Sasak
sat;Santali
scc;Serbian
sco;Scots
scr;Croatian
sel;Selkup
sem;Semitic (Other)
sga;Old Irish
sgn;Sign languages
shn;Shan
sid;Sidamo
sin;Sinhalese
sio;Siouan (Other)
sit;Sino-Tibetan (Other)
sla;Slavic (Other)
slo;Slovak
slv;Slovenian
sma;Southern Sami
sme;Northern Sami
smi;Sami
smj;Lule Sami
smn;Inari Sami
smo;Samoan
sms;Skolt Sami
sna;Shona
snd;Sindhi
snk;Soninke
sog;Sogdian
som;Somali
son;Songhai
sot;Sotho
spa;Spanish
srd;Sardinian
srr;Serer
ssa;Nilo-Saharan (Other)
ssw;Swazi
suk;Sukuma
sun;Sundanese
sus;Susu
sux;Sumerian
swa;Swahili
swe;Swedish
syr;Syriac
tah;Tahitian
tai;Tai (Other)
tam;Tamil
tat;Tatar
tel;Telugu
tem;Temne
ter;Terena
tet;Tetum
tgk;Tajik
tgl;Tagalog
tha;Thai
tib;Tibetan
tig;Tigré
tir;Tigrinya
tiv;Tiv
tkl;Tokelauan
tli;Tlingit
tmh;Tamashek
tog;Tonga (Nyasa)
ton;Tongan
tpi;Tok Pisin
tsi;Tsimshian
tsn;Tswana
tso;Tsonga
tuk;Turkmen
tum;Tumbuka
tup;Tupi languages
tur;Turkish
tut;Altaic (Other)
tvl;Tuvaluan
twi;Twi
tyv;Tuvinian
udm;Udmurt
uga;Ugaritic
uig;Uighur
ukr;Ukrainian
umb;Umbundu
und;Undetermined
urd;Urdu
uzb;Uzbek
vai;Vai
ven;Venda
vie;Vietnamese
vol;Volapük
vot;Votic
wak;Wakashan languages
wal;Walamo
war;Waray
was;Washo
wel;Welsh
wen;Sorbian languages
wln;Walloon
wol;Wolof
xal;Kalmyk
xho;Xhosa
yao;Yao (Africa)
yap;Yapese
yid;Yiddish
yor;Yoruba
ypk;Yupik languages
zap;Zapotec
zen;Zenaga
zha;Zhuang
znd;Zande
zul;Zulu
zun;Zuni
++++ end of list
If I have some time I will add to this list corresponding language codes from http://ethnologue.com/ relations to ISO639-3 and WikiMedia Foundation language codes. Example:
now: per;Persian
later: per;Persian;N/A;fas;fa
refferences:
☛Ethnologue: http://ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=per per Not an Ethnologue 16 language code
>>> http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=per (per) Persian
>> >> http://ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=fas (fas) Persian
>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:SiteMatrix#fa (special:SiteMatrix#fa)

38prosfilaes
Jul 17, 2011, 2:00pm Top

#36: http://www.archive.org/browse.php?field=language&collection=opensource is a live example of such a list. I count 15 tags for Spanish, not including multiple languages stored in one field.

40AnnieMod
Jul 18, 2011, 10:59am Top

>37 gangleri:

The three you mention are basically added to the standard list to allow LT to deal with strange situations.
The list itself is pretty standard.

But it really comes back to something simpler - what is the point of having CK in LanguageA if there is no site in that language? The idea of the multilanguage CK is to make a local site complete (it has its quirks and troubles but that is the idea)... not to gather all data available for a book.

>38 prosfilaes:

:) Yeah - they still deal with that.

41jjwilson61
Jul 18, 2011, 11:53am Top

The list itself is pretty standard.

The list itself is just some ISO standard.

42AnnieMod
Jul 18, 2011, 12:37pm Top

Yep.

43gangleri
Jul 23, 2011, 7:39am Top

starting from > 31 trough > 37 ...

When expanding the available languages for CK one should also expand the available languages for "groups_edit.php". While the option "mul;Multiple languages" might not make sense for CK it should be available for "groups_edit.php": see "Cighid" where "mul;Multiple languages" can not be selected today.

44MarthaJeanne
Jul 23, 2011, 9:26am Top

I can see the point of adding 'other' to the list of group languages. Adding Esperanto when the group that is using it only has three messages added this year seems unnecessary.

45gangleri
Jul 23, 2011, 12:16pm Top

Indeed. We are all talking Oxford English.

46GirlFromIpanema
Jul 28, 2011, 9:43am Top

"I can see the point of adding 'other' to the list of group languages. Adding Esperanto when the group that is using it only has three messages added this year seems unnecessary"

Well, the main language of the group *is* Esperanto, not other :-). The easiest solution would be to add the ISO list used elsewhere on the LT site. Perhaps there will never be a group using Yao or Tlingit, but why have more work in maintaining two (or more) separate language lists, when you can just put a reference to The Mother Of All Language-Lists? Which, on the book pages, I believe, has a "20 most popular" mode, that makes all the exotic languages go away until you click "all" (or something, too lazy to check on the page).

47gangleri
Edited: Dec 8, 2011, 1:31pm Top

Esperanto Day, is celebrated on 15 December, the birthday of Esperanto creator L. L. Zamenhof. It is the most widely celebrated day in Esperanto culture.

Could LT manage to start eo.librarything.com until that day? Else I believe that Santa could be very sad ...

48rolandperkins
Dec 8, 2011, 3:44pm Top

What does the o in eo. librarything.com stand for?

(OK to answer in English, Dutch, Esperanto, Latin, Spanish, Hawaiian, Tongan or French)

49AnnaClaire
Dec 8, 2011, 4:08pm Top

I suspect it came by its code from the first and last letters: Espiranto.

That is, as in Maine

50jjwilson61
Edited: Dec 8, 2011, 4:40pm Top

And es was already taken (for Espanol, with that squiggly thing over the n).

51AnnaClaire
Dec 8, 2011, 4:49pm Top

>50 jjwilson61:
That squiggle is called a tilde. The HTML for the letter N wearing one is ñ -- ñ.

52rolandperkins
Dec 8, 2011, 4:49pm Top

". . . the first and last letter : Esperanto"

Thanks, AnnaClaire.

53gangleri
Dec 9, 2011, 1:18pm Top

>47 gangleri: and others
Language codes
ISO 639-1 eo
ISO 639-2 epo
ISO 639-3 epo

54rolandperkins
Dec 24, 2011, 8:33pm Top

To take off from the title of this Thread:

Why can we not:
Add HAWAIIAN to the List of Languages ?

My wife can write it, but thatʻs not the main reason for adding it.
It is, among other things, one of only 3 or 4 languages that are official languages* of a U. S. state.

*The other "official" non-English languages are Spanish and
(unless Louisiana has dropped it) French.

55justjim
Dec 25, 2011, 12:17am Top

From #37, about 5 PgDn keys from the top. haw;Hawaiian

56rolandperkins
Dec 26, 2011, 6:47pm Top

Thanks, justjim. A good llsting, and There are in fact a

lot of languages on that

list that I would like to see added to the Language Menu

of LT.

What I was arguing in June was not the adding of a

particular language, but the feasibity of writing in''the

name of whatever language is wanted for a partlicular

entry, Technicallyimpossible! is the consensus answer,

if I'm reading this thread rightly. THe main objection

was that different people have different ways of referring

to aparticular language, e.g. does one say "Gaelic" or

"Irish", or "Irish Gaelic"?

This wasn't applicable to what I was suggesting,

but I've begun to accept that the answer is "NOT feasible".

57krazy4katz
Edited: Dec 27, 2011, 1:03pm Top

Why isn't it feasible? Sorry, I don't understand. I thought AnnieMod said it just takes volunteers to do the translating.

K4k

58rolandperkins
Edited: Mar 19, 2012, 2:49pm Top

"Why isn''t (writing in a language name) feasible?" (57)

I don't know either; just accepting that on faith. I'm

getting the idea that whateveris written in* would'

not be a one-shot deal, that it would have to become

part of a data base -- compiled from it and the other

write-ins. Correct me,anybody,if I'm wrong.

* #37 doesn't address whatever is wrong

or right about the idea of the write-ins, But,

to my mind, as list to replace the current

list, it would be good.

59prosfilaes
Dec 26, 2011, 10:14pm Top

Having people write in languages would mean that you could no longer do anything interesting with the language fields. They would be an incoherent mess; take a look at http://www.archive.org/browse.php?field=language&collection=opensource and despair.

And for what? The current list has just about every language. I'm missing Klingon, but that's on the modern version of the list--the problem is Tim not updating the list, not the list. There are theoretical holes on the list, but mostly of languages that aren't written. To switch away from this list would serve virtually no users of LibraryThing. Even if it were an unquestioned good, it probably wouldn't be worth Tim's time.

What would be nice, and much more useful, is being able to select our own languages for the short list.

60timspalding
Mar 16, 2012, 8:16pm Top

I've added Esperanto, both as a site and to the list.

http://epo.librarything.com

Best of luck!

61gangleri
Mar 16, 2012, 8:37pm Top

Thanks a lot Tim! I noticed it 5 minutes before. Have a nice weekend and take care of your dog. My twins are in a new place since I was in the hospital in October last year.

62rolandperkins
Mar 17, 2012, 8:08pm Top

Esperanto isnʻt on the last Language List I looked at
(02/17, ca. 8:55 PM EST)

63timspalding
Mar 17, 2012, 9:59pm Top

Where? It's on the nav when you're signed out, and on the Zeitgeist.

64rolandperkins
Mar 18, 2012, 2:49pm Top

"Where (is Esperanto not listed?) (63)

I meant (62) it is not listed
in the "pop-up List of Languages" as mentioned
in Post # 1 of this thread. I
thought that was the list
were talking about throughout most of this thread.
"Nav" is new to me. I did
see the mention of Esperanto
in Zeitgeist, and I notice
that we Latinists are "ahead
of" it in membership"
by some 565 - 5!

65timspalding
Mar 18, 2012, 11:48pm Top

Sorry, what do you mean the "pop-up list of languages?" Languages available to new groups? (They're there.) Where else can you mean?

66prosfilaes
Mar 19, 2012, 1:34am Top

#65: I think what he means is the short list of languages that pop up when changing the languages for a book.

67timspalding
Mar 19, 2012, 2:16am Top

Ah. That won't be changing. It's a short list. It has to make cuts. Everyone's mileage will vary. It's why we have the longer one.

68Annix
Mar 19, 2012, 7:22pm Top

>60 timspalding:
Thanks a lot, Tim!

69rolandperkins
Mar 20, 2012, 2:53am Top

Thanks for the clarification, Tim. (67)

And thanks, Profilaes, for getting roland
and tin finally talking about the same thing.My plea (64) was exactly what you describe in 66.

70gangleri
Edited: Mar 21, 2012, 5:23pm Top

>31 rolandperkins: ...
Hi! Is there a request to add haw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language to the list of LT languages?
see: /search.php?search=haw+Hawaiian&searchtype=talk

P.S. fixed typo

71timspalding
Mar 20, 2012, 10:32am Top

If someone says they'll translate it, I'll add it. But I don't want it to end up like Maori.

72rolandperkins
Mar 21, 2012, 5:02pm Top

". . .to end up like Maori." (71)

Since Iʻm interested in all the Polynesian languages, Iʻm curious: how DID Maori
"end up"?

I also have to ask (at the r isk of sounding like a former president) what does "it" (as in "if. . . they ʻll translate IT") mean? If you mean a non-English languaage into English, I went to the link given in #70, and that was already in English. So how does "translat(ing)" enter into it?

73justjim
Mar 21, 2012, 5:39pm Top

Roland, new LT language sites need to be translated from English (they all start as a clone of the .com site) into the new languages. Hawaiian and Maori, among others, would be right up your alley!

74gangleri
Mar 21, 2012, 6:24pm Top

75gangleri
Edited: Apr 2, 2012, 4:38pm Top

continued
there is also a group LibraryThing in Maori
a tag search /groups/tag/Maori
a Zeitgeist page /zeitgeist/language/mao
the last is correctly linked to the Maori translation page http://mi.librarything.com/translations.php
(while the Esperanto translation page http://epo.librarything.com/translations.php does not have a link to Esperantlingvaj tradukoj - this was reported elswhere and was not clear enough)

P.S. 2012-04-02
see /topic/135240 "Links related to Maori"

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