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2_Zoe_
Aug 2, 2011, 4:00pm Top

I'm glad there's a Find Friends feature, but the Twitter integration still seems a bit spammy to me. It just doesn't look very good to Tweet the same thing at multiple people in a short time period, and it probably violates Twitter's TOS too.

3romula
Aug 2, 2011, 4:02pm Top

An excellent thing for the social aspect of LT. I'm assuming though that the "Allow members to find and connect to me via my email address" checkbox is still obeyed when using the friend finder?

4norabelle414
Aug 2, 2011, 4:07pm Top

For Facebook, how does it select which book cover to show with the post? I invited three people via Facebook and the cover image that shows up with the post is pretty much the LAST book I would have selected (though technically it is a cover from my library). I'm actually a little upset.

5timspalding
Edited: Aug 2, 2011, 4:17pm Top

Allow members to find and connect to me via my email address

Connecting yourself to LibraryThing is a public act, at least to your friends. You do it in order to post things to your Facebook or Twitter account which, by definition, your friends can see. This makes it different from email, and does not require any special precautions. I know of no service in the world that put barriers in the way of friend-finding through these services.

We aren't doing email connections anymore because it's pain and because, since we did that, Facebook and Twitter have become so ubiquitous there's no point.

6timspalding
Aug 2, 2011, 4:14pm Top

It just doesn't look very good to Tweet the same thing at multiple people in a short time period

I'm working on a "Tweet 'Check out my books' without the @" link. You can make one yourself by just removing the @ sign.

7rsterling
Aug 2, 2011, 4:44pm Top

We aren't doing email connections anymore because it's pain and because, since we did that, Facebook and Twitter have become so ubiquitous there's no point.

Really?? Not for me. Ugh. Maybe I'm in the dark age, but I still do most of my socializing through private channels, and would still appreciate a way of emailing invites, and finding friends already on LT via their email address.

8timspalding
Aug 2, 2011, 4:48pm Top

I'd consider adding it back at some point, but it's not a priority. There are a lot of other ways to building member connections we can do.

9rsterling
Aug 2, 2011, 4:54pm Top

Please think about it. I hate being channeled to services like Facebook, where giving up privacy is the price you pay for socializing. Also, I know that there have been many many threads asking why "find friends" wasn't working, so presumably there are more people out there who would use email invites. Maybe they've all switched to doing everything via FB, but I bet I'm not the only person out there who wants some other, less public alternative.

Even just a single-entry email finder could work, rather than batch address-upload, and might get around some of the more complicated problems with the old feature(?).

10lilithcat
Aug 2, 2011, 4:58pm Top

> 7

I still do most of my socializing through private channels

Same here. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter, and don't ever expect to be.

11BTRIPP
Aug 2, 2011, 5:13pm Top

Re. #10: "I'm not on ... Twitter, and don't ever expect to be."

We shall lure you over to The Dark Side!

I hear rumor that there are cookies, and perhaps even cheese.

 

12lilithcat
Aug 2, 2011, 5:19pm Top

> 11

Hmmm . . .

If there's cheese, then there are probably mice! Eeeek!

13timspalding
Edited: Aug 2, 2011, 5:31pm Top

The problem with email is that each additional service takes time, but the "haul" is lower and gets small fast. More than half of all humans in the United States have Facebook accounts. Among educated adults, the number is far higher. No email provider comes close to that. Also, not all have APIs, so you need to collect users' actual passwords. That's dangerous for all involved.

14civitas
Aug 2, 2011, 7:48pm Top

> 7 would still appreciate a way of ... finding friends already on LT via their email address.

Google is your friend. My email address returned my Library Thing profile as the first item.

15justjim
Aug 2, 2011, 8:02pm Top

I don't understand, if you have the email address of someone you don't talk to regularly, why you don't just email them and discuss LT; how good it is and how they should join. Of course, if you do talk to them regularly... ;)

16AnnieMod
Aug 2, 2011, 8:40pm Top

>15 justjim: And if you don't, I suspect that an automatic invitation will just end up marked as spam... harming the site....

17rsterling
Aug 2, 2011, 8:51pm Top

13 - I get that it's a problem/difficult to have the feature sign-on to your account and grab all your contacts thing. (I'm actually not even interested in that, since I don't want to upload or provide any website access to my entire contacts list -- and would never want to invite or search for that many people any way.)

So why not just go back to what we had before that (at least I think we did) or some simpler version: just the ability to enter a single email address, see if it's registered on library thing, and then an option to add someone as a contact if so, or invite if not (or of course neither of those). Maybe you could provide a way to *upload* a list, if you wanted, but I even don't see the need to have a feature that makes you sign into your email service to grab all your contacts.

--
On the feature as it stands:
I did sign up for Twitter, mostly to test out the LT integration & write the HelpThing page, and I just realized, looking at this new feature, that I still have it connected to my LT account. The "friends" language on the "find friends" page is a little weird for Twitter, though. Since I've only really tested it out, I'm only following a couple of other Twitter accounts, and I don't post my own stuff & don't have any followers. But it seems weird to me for LT to suggest I invite the accounts I follow, who are in no way "friends" even in the FB sense of that word: a current-affairs magazine, Margaret Atwood, and a bookstore.

18_debbie_
Aug 2, 2011, 9:36pm Top

I love the new invitation feature for Facebook, but I'd prefer it give me the option of sending via FB's PM service instead of posting to the friend's wall. I don't want everyone my friends are friends with to see my post and username.

19krazy4katz
Aug 2, 2011, 9:50pm Top

I don't use Facebook or Twitter either.

13:
"More than half of all humans in the United States have Facebook accounts. Among educated adults, the number is far higher. No email provider comes close to that."

Well, so much for my advanced degree.

k4k

20timspalding
Aug 2, 2011, 11:01pm Top

>18 _debbie_:

I hear you. I'm not positive it can be done.

21_debbie_
Aug 2, 2011, 11:20pm Top

>20 timspalding: I know it's common with websites that use a share feature as opposed to connecting, but honestly I have no idea how these things really work. I am amazed you all can get the site to do as much as it can! :)

22yoyogod
Aug 3, 2011, 12:02am Top

How does it determine which people are on Library Thing and which aren't? I know that at least 3 people I follow on Twitter are here, but the only one who shows up on Friend Finder is librarythingtim

23Runa
Aug 3, 2011, 12:18am Top

I don't know if this happened to anyone else, but Friend Finder didn't work for me in Google Chrome (redirected to: http://www.librarything.com/problem.php?msg=1), but worked perfectly fine in Firefox.

24_debbie_
Aug 3, 2011, 12:20am Top

>22 yoyogod: Maybe your Twitter friends don't have their accounts connected to their LT accounts?

25timspalding
Aug 3, 2011, 12:43am Top

Right. They have to connect their accounts. Bothering them is a good way to get them to do it... :)

26reading_fox
Aug 3, 2011, 4:26am Top

" They have to connect their accounts"

SO let me get this straight. This is feature to find people who are:

Already on LT, AND
Already on a social site, AND
Already have connected the two, AND
I know from the social site,

in order to tell them about my LT profile page?

That doesn't seem very helpful somehow.

27rebeccanyc
Aug 3, 2011, 9:16am Top

#13, Tim More than half of all humans in the United States have Facebook accounts. Among educated adults, the number is far higher.

I am astounded! And I'm also an educated (I think) adult who isn't on Facebook. I had absolutely no idea the number was so high.

28timspalding
Aug 3, 2011, 9:53am Top

>6 timspalding:

No, the feature also identifies those people you know from Facebook or Twitter who are NOT on LT, or have not connected their accounts.

29PhaedraB
Edited: Aug 3, 2011, 2:17pm Top

28 > Mine didn't. I connected my Twitter account & it identified only two people. You were one of them.

30jbd1
Aug 3, 2011, 2:21pm Top

>29 PhaedraB: - At the end of the Twitter section you should see "Invite friends to LibraryThing" (followed by a number in parentheses). if you click "show all" there you should see all those you follow on Twitter who haven't yet connected their accounts to LT. Ditto for Facebook.

31PhaedraB
Aug 3, 2011, 2:25pm Top

30 > Ah, the "Show All" is the secret!

I'm glad we have this feature; I've been getting a lot of invitations to Shelfari and Goodreads lately.

32rsterling
Aug 3, 2011, 3:13pm Top

I'm updating the "edit profile" help page, and I have a question about the Twitter part. Does it find both people you follow and people who follow you?

33jbd1
Aug 3, 2011, 3:24pm Top

>32 rsterling: - it's finding just people you follow, not people who follow you and you don't follow back.

34romula
Aug 3, 2011, 3:35pm Top

20 > You can send "Notifications" via the FB Graph API. They show up under the Globe icon next to the FB logo at the top of the page.

http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/dialogs/requests/

35rsterling
Edited: Aug 3, 2011, 3:54pm Top

33 Thanks. Ok, I updated the edit profile help page and the twitter integration help page to add some basic instructions on this new feature:
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Editprofile#Friend_Finder
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Twitter_Integration

Any improvements are of course welcome; I relied on the blog post for some of the language. There's no FB integration page yet (and I'm not going to join just for that), but much of the Twitter page could be copied and pasted and then edited by someone who knows the FB interface.

36jjwilson61
Aug 3, 2011, 8:18pm Top

33> It's finding just people you follow, not people who follow you and you don't follow back

Isn't that backwards? In the Twitter paradigm people who follow you expect to get messages from you but not the people that you follow.

37norabelle414
Aug 3, 2011, 11:07pm Top

How does the "invite via Facebook" bit choose which book covers to use for your wall post? (as I asked way back in message 4)

38Malarchy
Aug 4, 2011, 12:21am Top

Surprising to see this sort of feature come up just when Facebook membership is in the early stages of what seems (I hope?) to be a permanent decline. Giving up privacy on LibraryThing just to add friends from Facebook isn't attractive. I've linked from my Google Plus account to my LibraryThing account but only for those people I want to know about some of my online identity rather than the hordes of clients and acquaintances that fill up social website friend spaces.

39jbd1
Aug 4, 2011, 6:58am Top

>37 norabelle414: - I think Tim told me it's using the most recent book you added to LT, but I could be misremembering; I'll confirm with him tomorrow (he's away today, although he may check Talk at some point).

40norabelle414
Aug 4, 2011, 9:15am Top

>39 jbd1: The book it posted for me I added 10 March 2011, and I've added over 40 books since then. However, this book is for some reason showing up on my profile under "Most Recent Activity", though I haven't touched it (or 4 of the other 5 books listed there) for at least 2 months.

41ForeignCircus
Aug 5, 2011, 8:12pm Top

18: I agree. I invited only one person as a test and when I discovered it was posting to the wall rather than as a private message, I deleted it. If this changes to a PM, then I will use the feature with FB but not otherwise...

42davisfamily
Aug 13, 2011, 11:05pm Top

Well, I like it.....

43annaxt
Oct 17, 2011, 3:42pm Top

I invited a lot of FB friends yesterday and felt stupid when I realised the invitations landed on their walls, open for all their friends to see. It doesn't say anywhere, and I had written things in some of the invitations that were not meant for everyone. Please explain why there isn't any warning about the fact that this invite is different from every other invite I've ever seen - all others arrive privately in the mail or FB inbox.

Also, there is no way of seeing what friends are already invited. "Show all" generates exactly the same number of people as before I sent my invitations.

Four of my FB friends that are also LT users are not in the "Facebook friends already on LibraryThing" list. Not a big problem, just wondering why.

44rsterling
Oct 17, 2011, 4:11pm Top

The blog post (linked in post #1) does say that "Twitter messages are posted @ your friend. Facebook messages are posted to your friend’s wall." http://www.librarything.com/blogs/librarything/2011/08/find-your-friends-on-libr...
See also the HelpThing page, in the section for FriendFinder: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Editprofile#Friend_Finder
I agree, though, that it would be good to have an explanation/warning in the box where you send the invite, if there isn't already.

Four of my FB friends that are also LT users are not in the "Facebook friends already on LibraryThing" list. Not a big problem, just wondering why.
Probably because they haven't integrated their LT and FB accounts. LT only shows results for people who've integrated them.

45jjwilson61
Oct 17, 2011, 4:22pm Top

Probably because they haven't integrated their LT and FB accounts. LT only shows results for people who've integrated them.

Right. LT has no way to know if you also have a FB account unless you tell it.

46AndreasJ
Oct 27, 2011, 7:19am Top

@45: You mean the online overlords hasn't figured out everything about me yet? I'm so disappointed.

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