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1Wootle
Edited: Aug 15, 2011, 3:05pm Top

Illustrated very heavily by Grandville, 400 illustrations or thereabouts. Nice marbled endpapers with gilt around the edges. Green and red on spine look nice together. The slipcase is a little different on this edition with the top and bottom of the opening being rounded. Don't know why they did this, it could look nice, but the fabric having to be cut several times in order to get the rounded look throws it off. Standard size book, boards and leather are in traditional EP thicknesses, the gilding seems to be laying on top rather than inset into the leather. Overall a nice production, but probably should have been in the $125-$150 range. I think it will still sell well at $200. Production run was dropped from the advertised 600 to 500 copies. The head and tail band are also red and green to match the spine, they look nice.

2747 Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels: /500 4@$49.95 ($199.80)
http://www.eastonpressbooks.com/leather/product.asp?code=2747

















2astropi
Aug 15, 2011, 3:27pm Top

Thanks Wootle! I added your thread to the DLE page.

3Quicksilver66
Aug 15, 2011, 3:30pm Top

Thanks Wootle. I was expecting it to be larger, although I do like compact books, so no complaints there. The illustrations look sharp and clear.

What is the paper quality like?

4busywine
Aug 15, 2011, 3:44pm Top

Great pics, thanks!!! I will add some soon also.

5UK_History_Fan
Aug 16, 2011, 1:18am Top

I found the illustrations not to be very sharp actually. I realize it is a reproduction of an 18th century book, but I never had the same impression with the Ovid illustrations and paper which are absolutely first rate in my opinion. This, was, well, bleh.

6Quicksilver66
Edited: Aug 16, 2011, 4:33am Top

> 5

Thats disapointing to hear. Sounds as if EP may have economised a little to much on this edition. I wonder why? I feel sure most of us would still have ordered this title if the price point had been a little higher and the edition a little better.

7UK_History_Fan
Aug 16, 2011, 10:04am Top

As an update, I called EP customer service this morning and there are still copies available so I will be getting a replacement rather than a refund. If I am still disappointed with the replacement copy (if the standards seem subpar at that price point) I may return it for good. But I decided to give it another chance because I suspect some of my disappointment relates to a general feeling of poor quality on my individual original copy (as detailed in Easton Press Deluxe Limited Editions (4) posts 205 - 208).

BTW, how do I move my posts to this thread where they would be more relevant, or does the topic "owner" have to do that? Also, how do I link to the previous posts within this thread instead of simply typing the reference as above?

Oh the learning curve!

8SilentInAWay
Aug 16, 2011, 12:50pm Top

Unfortunately, there is no way for anyone other than LibraryThing administrators (otherwise known as The Powers that Be) to move messages between threads. You probably won't want to bother them unless you're trying to move a large number of messages.

Fortunately, text can be easily copied (use Ctrl-A in 'Edit' mode to select everything in your message--that way you'll be sure to copy all links, images and formatting tags*) and then pasted into a new message. This is, of course, cumbersome if you are copying a dozen messages; for two or three messages, however, it's not too bad.

*Foregive me if this is obvious -- there is a wide variance in the skill sets of this group's members.

9DanMat
Edited: Aug 17, 2011, 6:34pm Top

The last picture. It looks like a lengthy annotation on the left. Any opinions? I didn't seem to need much if any commentary when I read it three or so years back. But generally, I welcome scholarly éclaircissement.

10SilentInAWay
Aug 17, 2011, 7:07pm Top

Oh...I hadn't noticed that. Mid-19th century critical commentary, eh? I'll have to check out my copy when I get home tonight...

11DanMat
Edited: Aug 17, 2011, 7:39pm Top

Yeah, the librarian in me has located a copy here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=oCcVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA92-IA1#v=onepage&q&am...

They seem interesting, plenty about the various church matters. I'll see if I can find a link for W.C. Taylor, though this seems an accurate snippet, his style of writing, etc., from the preface:

"Of the editor's own share in this work little need be said. Many years ago when studying English History he obtained access to a valuable collection of books and pamphlets relating to the reigns of Anne and the first two Georges belong ing to a late prelate of the Church of Ireland Amongs these was a copy of Gulliver's Travels with MS notes identifying some of the characters. These were copied by permission and at a subsequent period it became a source of amusement to extend and verify them. In compiling the life of Swift the editor has not disguised his want of affection for the character of this hero but though unable to make the biography a eulogy he has endeavored that it should not become a philippic. There are good points in the worst men and bad in the best Human life is the acted allegory of Beauty and the Beast."

Here he is (wikipedia-ed), William Cooke of Trinity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cooke_Taylor

http://books.google.com/books?id=UiGWpJKOEa8C&dq=w%20c%20taylor&pg=PA321...

(anyone happen to know what M.R.A.S stands for?)

Busy bloke:

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=inauthor%3A%22William+Cooke...

12UK_History_Fan
Aug 17, 2011, 11:12pm Top

> 11
I love all the info! Thanks for sharing DanMat

13testadura
Aug 17, 2011, 11:41pm Top

> 11 Just a guess, but "Member of the Royal Academy of Sciences". Its the only thing that remotely made sense on a cursory googling.

14busywine
Aug 18, 2011, 12:07am Top

Hi All, in addition to Wootle's outstanding pictures above, I posted a large number of pictures, including comparing against the 100 Greatest version at http://booksandvines.com/2011/08/17/gullivers-travels-easton-press-deluxe-limite...

15UK_History_Fan
Aug 27, 2011, 12:07pm Top

I am posting this here as well as in the Easton Press Deluxe Limited Editions (5) thread.

Ok, perhaps I am being too picky, or perhaps Easton is just letting quality slip with the Gulliver's Travels DLE, but I just received my replacement copy due to the issues described here: Easton Press Deluxe Limited Editions (4) (see posts 185 and 205-208).

The replacement, while without the ding on the upper right hand corner of the front board, has some silver overspray (I don't know how else to describe it, it is rather small, perhaps the size of a pinky nail, but appears as though someone spray-painted in silver) in a couple of spots along the edges of the front and back boards. Further, the upper corners already appear discolored and rubbed. The leather covering the boards is very tan/brown but the hide underneath is closer to purple or burgundy (which is visible where it was cut to fold over the corners) and that is what is showing through the corners. There is also a pin-hole of this purple showing through toward the bottom center of the front cover and also a couple of flecks of it elsewhere on the boards. I was so surprised by this that at first I assumed there was some glue residue that had adhered to the inner lining of the slipcase but the slipcase is lined in charcoal grey felt. Only upon closer examination did I realize that whatever process is used to convert the purplish-burgundy raw leather into the glossy brown of the covers must have been inherently flawed on this copy. So I went back to my original shipment copy and very carefully examined the corners and discovered a similar issue too a lesser extent (though far less prominent as I clearly missed it upon the first examination).

I am inclined to try for a third time by sending back both of these copies, provided it is still available. Unfortunately, the return and third copy will all have to take place at the end of September when I return from London. Or maybe I should just give up on this DLE, but I sort of still want it.

This is getting a bit frustrating. I think they cut corners on quality a bit too much to meet their $200 price point (sort of, I still think $200 seems high for this, perhaps $150 would have been more fair). But my benchmark is that I would not accept these flaws in a $60 new EP book, so I should not have to accept them in a $200 one.

Can any of the others here who own this book carefully examine their copies and report back? Thanks in advance.

16AgaEP
Aug 27, 2011, 6:48pm Top

I had the silver overspray in a copy I got, and the back board on the book had a major wrinkle. I have asked for another copy and will send this one back when I get it. It is disturbing to hear of so many problems with this book.

17iluvbeckett
Edited: Aug 27, 2011, 8:18pm Top

I will not be buying this one: the quality issues described above reinforce my lack of interest in Gulliver's, which I've had all along. On an equally sour note, I just got home after a long day and checked my mail - there was an unmistakeable EP big pale yellow envelope (for a DLE). "Great!" I thought, "maybe something I actually want to order"...but NO, it was for the Gulliver's!! EP seems to have an uncanny knack for only sending me flyers for DLEs and other stuff that I have NO interest in. On the other hand, there might be a method to their madness: sending out flyers for those DLEs that they have determined are selling at a slower rate than those which have lower # limitations and/or are more popular(?)

18Django6924
Aug 27, 2011, 8:24pm Top

That's too bad as the edition itself has some very fine illustrations in it.

19busywine
Aug 27, 2011, 8:30pm Top

I was happy with mine, but I will add an addendum to my review saying a few people have had some quality issues with it....

21SilentInAWay
Edited: Aug 27, 2011, 10:48pm Top

<img src="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg">
should give you:



Unfortunately, in order to protect members from malicious code, LT discontinued support for the style parameter, meaning that you cannot specify that your image be displayed at a given size. So you'll have to resize the image yourself if you wish to display it directly in the thread.

What I like to do is include a smaller image that links to the larger image--that way it doesn't take too long to load the thread on a mobile device. This is done by creating an <img> tag for the smaller image, and then placing it between <a> and </a> tags that link to the larger image. Here's the general format:

<a href="URL-for-the-big-file"><img src="URL-for-the-small-file"></a>

So,
<a href="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg"><img src="/wiki/images/d/d8/Smaller-version-of-UKs-Gulliver.jpg"></a>
should give you



You can now click on this image to view the full-size photo (actually, clicking on this will initially display the full-size image at a size that fits fully in your browser window; to see the photo at its original larger-than-you-browser-window size, you may have to click once on that image as well).

Incidentally, I created the smaller image by downloading yours to my laptop and then reducing its size in Photoshop; I then uploaded the smaller photo to the LibraryThing Wiki (which I use in lieu of Photobucket for LibraryThing related pics).

22Svartalf
Aug 27, 2011, 11:36pm Top

>20 UK_History_Fan:, yeah that is pretty messed up. I'd so send this back to them. Honestly, for the money they charge, they could at least package it properly.....

23testadura
Aug 27, 2011, 11:47pm Top

>20 UK_History_Fan:, 21 you can specify the width inside the img tag.

<img src="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg" width="50">



<img src="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg" width="100">



etc., etc.

24SilentInAWay
Aug 28, 2011, 1:17am Top

Oh crap, that's right -- I was mixing up two issues in my mind. Good catch!!

For those of you who are interested in this stuff:

testadura is right, you can use the height and width parameters within an img tag in situations where you don't care about the quality of the resized image (such as thumbnails and smaller images that link to larger images), since you are leaving the image resizing to the viewer's browser.

For cover images that have been uploaded for books in your catalog, however, the images sometimes lack sharpness when they are downsized by your browser. To remedy this, LibraryThing has a special coverthing_dynamic feature that, for a given LT book ID and a specified width, returns a Photoshop-quality resized image of your cover (ok, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but you'll see what I mean). This feature is particularly useful if you've uploaded high-quality scans of your book covers.

Compare the following two resized images of the "ornate" David Copperfield cover:

 

The picture on the left--which (at least in Internet Explorer) lacks the sharpness of the original image--was resized by your browser, based on the number specified in the width parameter in the img tag:

<img src="http://pics.librarything.com/picsizes/ab/41/ab4133fd5f7ab4b593241655a51437641506f41.jpg" width="165">

The image on the right was resized using a coverthing_dynamic URL:

<img src="http://www.librarything.com/coverthing_dynamic.php?book=74698674&width=165" />

Nice, huh?

There are two restrictions. First of all, this only works for cover images that have been assigned to books in a LibraryThing member's catalog (so this wouldn't have worked at all for UK's images above). Secondly, for some reason, the LT developers never got around to implementing the height parameter on the coverthing_dynamic feature (although the width parameter works great).

25UK_History_Fan
Aug 28, 2011, 3:33am Top

Silent, thanks for the help with the images. I don't have Photoshop so I will have to try to save a scaled down version somehow in iPhoto. But, Jesus, it is a lot of work just to do 1 picture! I don't know how we are all expected to memorize all this geeky code...and I thought the italics-on, italics-off, bold-on and bold-off was time-consuming enough to type! The larger image really makes that damaged leather look terrible though!

26UK_History_Fan
Aug 28, 2011, 3:36am Top

> 22
Oh it was quite well packed. The slipcase is in perfect shape from the box. The layers are: book inside slip-case, shrink-wrap around slipcase, reinforced double-box around shrink-wrap. This is clearly a manufacturing defect that has occurred on more than one member's copy and on all four corners (though admittedly, this is the most noticeable). That is why my first thought was to look inside the slipcase where I discovered charcoal felt that couldn't possibly have left this mark!

27UK_History_Fan
Edited: Aug 28, 2011, 3:38am Top

> 24
God I love that cover -) And since you have two copies, Silent, how about you sell me one! Better yet trade me for my still shrink-wrapped "portrait" red leather cover version.

28SilentInAWay
Aug 28, 2011, 11:33am Top

> 25

Actually, for something like this, as testadura pointed out, you don't need Photoshop. Instead, if you don't mind a tiny loss of sharpness in your thumbnails, you can use the height or width parameter in the img tag to resize the image to something small enough that it loads quickly, and then include that in a link to the full image in Photobucket, the LT Wiki, or wherever you have uploaded the original image. The syntax, although it may seem difficult at first, becomes pretty much second-nature after you've used it for a while. To recap:

1. An <img> tag that displays the original picture ("Image-URL"):
<img src="Image-URL">

2. An <img> tag that instructs the viewer's browser to resize the picture (in this case, to a specified height)
<img src="Image-URL" height="150">

3. An <a> tag that links a text label ("click here") to the original image:
<a href="Image-URL">click here</a>

4. Finally, an <a> tag that displays the browser-resized image and links it to the original image:
<a href="Image-URL"><img src="Image-URL" height="150"></a>

See, no Photoshop needed!! And you can edit your message, adjusting the value in the height (or width) parameter until you like the displayed size. (Thank testadura for having prevented me from leading you any further down the Photoshop path!!).

If it helps, I have a little trick that makes it easier for me to create these tags (pardon me if I am suggesting the obvious). First, type in (or copy/paste, if you're creating multiple links) the tag without the URLs:
<a href=""><img src="" height="150"></a>
Then copy and paste the URL between the quotation marks for both the href and src parameters:
<a href="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg"><img src="http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc420/UK_History_Fan/DSC06695.jpg" height="150"></a>

Here's the result:



29acidneutral
Aug 28, 2011, 11:54am Top

I received the flyers for this edition in the mail yesterday. It is just so tempting but I am a bit leery as it appears there are some serious quality control issues. I wonder who oversees quality control at their bindery and how to get in touch with them? It seems to me this is something that needs to be addressed beyond calling customer service. There is always the next step up in the ladder of command?

30testadura
Aug 28, 2011, 12:06pm Top

I would only add that as a general good practice, only specify either a width or a height, but not both. Otherwise you'll distort your image unless you specify the exact correct ratio. Specifying only one lets the browser handle the other dimension and keeps everything relative.

Also, should these HTML tips be moved to a "how-to" thread for easy reference?

31UK_History_Fan
Aug 28, 2011, 4:29pm Top

There are several threads with photo posting instructions already, but quite honestly had neither the attention span nor the time to truly investigate the possibilities. The post above appears to be the best step by step instruction I've seen yet. Most of the others presume a lot of knowledge/familiarity already.

32Quicksilver66
Aug 29, 2011, 7:28am Top

Very concerning quality issues are reported in this thread. I have ordered Gullivers Travels, but not yet received it. It is one of the titles I have most been looking forward to. If EP are going to do a LE then it needs to be done well. Having a lower price point is no excuse for cutting corners. or poor quality control.

33iluvbeckett
Aug 29, 2011, 11:01pm Top

>17 iluvbeckett:: I checked my DLE flyers and discovered I'd already received one for Gulliver's back in February, which puzzled me as to why EP sent me another. When I compared them, however, I noticed that the new one has the lower 500-copy limitation as opposed to the 600-copy # on the February flyer. -So EP is on the ball with that, at least. Now I wish they would send me flyers for all the DLE's instead of the random selection I currently get. And if they could stop the ones for titles I have no interest in that would also be good!

34UK_History_Fan
Aug 30, 2011, 12:34am Top

Minor update -
When I called EP this morning to order yet another replacement copy for the DLE Gulliver, she mentioned that they still have "a large number left." I wonder if they are counting their returned books as part of inventory? She also seemed a little less disturbed by the multiple quality issues than I would have expected though she did promise to ask them to "inspect my next copy" very carefully before sending it out. But since I didn't discover any flaws until after the shrink-wrap was removed, I am not sure what good that will do.

35busywine
Aug 30, 2011, 1:19am Top

You all got my quite worried, went back and looked closely at mine...looks like I lucked out, mine looks pretty good. >34 UK_History_Fan:, good luck, I hope the next finally does it for you!

36kdweber
Sep 3, 2011, 6:23pm Top

No problems with my copy.

37Quicksilver66
Edited: Sep 7, 2011, 3:50pm Top

I received my copy today. Whilst my copy is not as bad as UK's I do have some issues with it and concur with what others have said about the lack of quality control on this book.

The lower corners are folded over the board in a very clumsy way and there is a little red, torn leather showing. There is a small leather nick to the middle lower inside board. There is also a light scratch on the guilt page edges - not to major, but enough to annoy me. The slipcase is also marked and the bowed top to the slipcase looks amateurish where the fabric is stretched over the edges. There is also some rubbed and torn leather to the bottom back board.

This is a beautiful title which EP appear to have made a hash of. Such a shame. I will try for a replacement.

38acidneutral
Sep 8, 2011, 8:43am Top

I'm really sad to hear it. Its my hope the rash of complaints and returns will force Easton Press to consider their quality control in the future. This is just not a way to bring repeat business. I know they back their product and are great about returns, but it would seem to be a more costly venture to process returns than to make sure the quality of the product is at least close enough to perfect.

39Quicksilver66
Sep 8, 2011, 2:03pm Top

> 38

I agree. I don't know how this happened as the other EP LE titles I have received have been superb.

As usual, EP customer service has been first class. They said that I can keep the defective book and they will send me a replacement.

40ironjaw
Sep 9, 2011, 5:18am Top

Wow, David that is amazing that they let you keep the copy!!

41acidneutral
Sep 9, 2011, 8:39am Top

>39 Quicksilver66: That's pretty great service! I've never had problems with returns with Easton Press. They have always been extremely helpful when I've had issues. That certainly keeps me coming back for more...

42ironjaw
Sep 9, 2011, 12:32pm Top

Acid, you know I did not this EP had such kind of service. Actually and very sadly I found out yesterday that there is a smal 0.5 mm hole on the page just before the Table of Contents of Fahrenheit 451.

43UK_History_Fan
Sep 19, 2011, 9:01pm Top

Quick update: just returned from London tonight and had my 2nd replacement copy of the DLE Gulliver's Travels waiting for me. I was so hoping third time would be a charm, but alas this is the worst copy yet. Dings to the slipcase, extensive silver "overspray" on the extremities of the boards, and the same problem with damaged corners (two dinged, all 4 with leather scratches and poor wrapping around the boards). But this copy seems to be a more extreme example of each of these flaws.

Not sure whether I should give up or keep ordering it to spite them and make them deal with their quality control. I'm sure if 50 or so of the 500 copies are returned, someone will hear about it!

Very disappointing, even if EP does make returns rather painless (just time consuming).

44Wootle
Sep 19, 2011, 9:16pm Top

I would think after a certain number, they may say, sorry, we can not send you any more replacements. Don't know how many it would take, might be interesting to find out I suppose.

45Quicksilver66
Edited: Sep 20, 2011, 4:54am Top

> 43

Hi Sean

I hope you enjoyed the rest of your stay and it was great to meet you.

This is really depressing news. There are obviously serious problems with this edition. EP have either got to get it right for you or offer you a refund. This whole episode is making me lose confidence with EP as a whole.

46UK_History_Fan
Sep 21, 2011, 1:23pm Top

I am sure they would be happy to refund my money. And there is a part of me that is willing to just wash my hands of the whole thing since this wasn't the highest priority DLE for me anyway. But now out of principle I want to keep ordering it until I get a decent copy or they run out to force them to deal with the quality issue. I mentioned to the woman offering to send yet a 4th book out that others have experienced similar issues with this title. She offered to have it personally inspected at the warehouse (they would remove the shrinkwrap, inspect it, and then re-wrap it!). I told her that was fine, but they also indicated they would be doing that with copy #3 which has been the worst one yet. So I am not uber-confident that this will work. I assume if I and several others have had to return copies, they will shortly run through the 500 copy limited edition run.

47wailofatail
Sep 21, 2011, 1:27pm Top

This may end up being the most limited edition yet, at least with regard to the number of copies in circulation. Do you suppose they re-sell the copies that are returned, hoping they end up with a less discerning customer?

48UK_History_Fan
Sep 21, 2011, 1:39pm Top

I seriously doubt it, and if I ever find out they do, I may have no choice but boycott them for any future purchases. That would be beyond unacceptable.

49ironjaw
Sep 21, 2011, 1:44pm Top

David, have you managed to get a replacement for your copy, yet?

50Quicksilver66
Sep 23, 2011, 12:24pm Top

> 49

No. My replacement has not arrived yet. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

51UK_History_Fan
Sep 27, 2011, 8:57am Top

Another update:

I received a voicemail at work from MBI Inc. (really just EP customer serivce, but I thought it was amusing how the phone number showed up on caller ID) from a very nice woman named Michelle. I am once again amazed at the quality of their customer service. This is evidently the women I spoke to when I complained about having to return a THIRD copy of the DLE Gulliver's Travels. Well she was calling to let me know that they were sending out my replacement copy but ONLY after she had it sent to her desk so she could personally inspect it.

I was impressed enough with the phone call as I cannot remember a time when EP has EVER called unsolicited, but I am uber impressed with her follow up. Unfortunately, I am not holding out much hope for a flawless version of this book as her statement was "and it looks pretty good to me, hopefully this will be what you are looking for as far as limited damage."

WTF? The best I can hope for now is a book with only limited damage?

52Quicksilver66
Edited: Sep 27, 2011, 9:05am Top

> 51

Damage limitation - great !!!

I have thought of my own damage limitation plan. If I can't get a decent copy of Gullivers Travels from EP, I am going to have the book privately re-bound in leather. Shouldn't have to do that with a LE though.

53UK_History_Fan
Sep 27, 2011, 9:11am Top

Wow, you must really want this book! How much do you think re-binding would cost? And if you do go to that step, I personally would call EP and ask for some kind of discount on the book to partially offset your incremental cost. It is ridiculous that for a DLE they cannot seem to get quality under control on this one.

54Quicksilver66
Sep 27, 2011, 9:14am Top

I agree. But Gullivers Travels is my favourite book, and I do really like this edition. I like Grandville's illustrations and I like the footnotes explaining the political and satirical references.

It would cost about £350.00 to have this rebound in leather, so I am hoping that EP can deliver on their promises.

55UK_History_Fan
Sep 27, 2011, 9:18am Top

Honestly, David, it is your continual references to the wonder of the Grandville illustrations and the footnotes explaining the satirical references which is the ONLY reason I continue to pursue this book! I already have several other copies of it, but none of them, to my knowledge, have the extensive footnotes. Then again, I should probably just do a google book search to see if they are available online if I cannot get a decent copy. Spending nearly $600 for rebinding the leather is not a viable option for me given my interest level (high but not passionate).

56ironjaw
Sep 27, 2011, 5:47pm Top

David it is a dangerous hobby to consider rebinding ones collection. You become increasingly dissatisfied with stock bindings.

57Quicksilver66
Sep 27, 2011, 5:55pm Top

> 56

I know. But, to be honest, I have never thought of rebinding any other EP or FS book other than this one.

58UK_History_Fan
Sep 27, 2011, 6:15pm Top

> 57
Honestly David, for that kind of money, I think I could just learn to live with the imperfections. It seems you are planning to read and perhaps even re-read it, so I imagine there will be some handling wear over time anyway. My real issue is that for $200 and a Deluxe Limited Edition, it should not have flaws straight out of the box (or slipcase!) so my continual hunt for a flawless copy is more of a quest than a requirement.

59Quicksilver66
Sep 28, 2011, 5:14am Top

> 58

I set aside a bit of money every year for one or two binding projects. It's a bit of a hobby. But I do resent doing it to a book where I have already paid for a fine binding.

60astropi
Sep 28, 2011, 5:17pm Top

Folks, just got my copy, have not yet opened it! I will let you know if I see any "problems with it" soon :)
By the way, the FS has also published a LE of Travels if anyone is interested. It looks quite beautiful, but is a tad more expensive ($850+$40 for S&H) than the EP edition! Sorry to say, I will pass on the FS edition and hold on to my EP edition, which I am off to open!

61Quicksilver66
Sep 29, 2011, 1:08am Top

> 60

Good luck !!

62keas
Sep 29, 2011, 1:21am Top

I have copy #42 , and honestly , if I hadn't noticed this thread and the complaints about the poor workmanship I probably would not have noticed the deflects it has . The slipcase is a little cruder than normal I admit , but then the solander box my copy of the Kelmsford Chaucer sits in looks almost equally crude . The red nicks on all four corners are there as well but they seem very inconsequential and don't bother me too much ( well not enough to return the book at least ) . With my rough habits with books I imagine I will be blaming myself for the nicks in a few years after I have long forgotten about this thread . I seemed to have missed out on the rest of the flaws mentioned - ie scratches and over spray which seem much more serious . Seems like there may be a few quality control issues at the binders . For the price of rebinding mentioned one could probably pick up an original copy from abebooks or elsewhere - there seem to be quite a few available for not totally outrageous prices and you would be getting a real piece of history .

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=4571736833&searchurl=kn%3DG...

I like the look of the new Folio Edition . Is it so wrong to want multiple copies of the same book ? . I find it a little curious that Folio and Easton seem to be matching Limited Editions of Late - First the Kelmsford , Spenser and now Swift , and poor fools like myself scrambling to get hold of both versions whenever feasible .... I feel like I am being taken advantage of . I think I may refuse them both in future and stick to the antiquarian originals instead .

63UK_History_Fan
Sep 29, 2011, 8:45am Top

> 62
It is curious how Folio and Easton are publishing some of the same titles in Limited Editions. However, from your list, the Spenser, though rather expensive in its EP version, was not a limited edition.

As for the multiple copies of the same book, my thinking on this has certainly evolved over time. I used to keep a list of all duplicate titles with the intent of keeping my favorite version and then selling the remaining duplicates. But that policy was discontinued quickly as I realized that I would be breaking up or creating incomplete collections (i.e. if a duplicate was in the 100 Greatest, then I would end up with less than 100 books). Now the only thing I consider a duplicate is if it is the exact same title, publisher, version, cover art, etc.

To that end, if I ever get a copy of Gulliver's Travels that is not damaged, I will own the following versions (note that I am still missing the easily acquired EP 100 Greatest which I will buy eventually because I love the woodcut illustrations):

Franklin Library - 100 Greatest Books of All Time
Franklin Library - 25th Anniversary of the Great Books of the Western World
Franklin Library - Collected Stories of the World's Greatest Writers
Easton Press - Deluxe Limited Edition

I have reviewed and decided against the Folio Society LE that was just announced. While I do not object to the illustrations as much as others, I just cannot justify $890 for this particular title when the illustrations are merely acceptable and they are pasted down with glue (which appears cheap to me) rather than bound into the book. I really don't understand why "hand-tipped illustrations" is considered a mark of luxury when it cheapens the overall impression of book quality.

64UK_History_Fan
Sep 29, 2011, 9:25am Top

> 60
Astropi, any damage or defects in your copy?

Perhaps I should pose the question from the opposite perspective:

Does ANYONE on this board have a copy of the DLE Gulliver's Travels that is clean of all of the defects that have been mentioned (dinged corners, torn leather on corners, pink leather showing through in pin pricks, silver over-spray, etc)?

65AnnieMod
Sep 29, 2011, 10:57am Top

>64 UK_History_Fan:

Mine has some minor issues as well but nothing I cannot live with (planning to read the book anyway, not to keep it locked and behind glass so it will get some wear anyway)...

66UK_History_Fan
Sep 29, 2011, 1:13pm Top

How sad is it that we are now to the point where the best we can hope for is a minimally flawed copy!

67astropi
Edited: Sep 29, 2011, 11:24pm Top

OK, I got my copy, and after a quick look I thought "looks perfect". I took a very close look, and sure enough there are two tiny little defects that I consider inconsequential. If someone asked me to grade the book, I would without hesitation say it's "fine". Had I purchased this book from a seller and received it, I would have given that seller 5 stars for quality. I have to agree with keas (message #62), I would never have noticed any of these blemishes had people here not pointed it out. So personal opinion, there are no problems with this volume. Honestly, I bet if I look at other books I have from either the FS or EP, I'm certain to be able to find blemishes if I try hard enough. That's not to say that all copies are perfect, and I can understand if there's a glaring defect why someone would return it. I do wonder, if some people are being overly critial? Don't get me wrong, we pay lots of money for a book, we better receive a fine copy! However, I've never seen anything that does not have some sort of defect.

edit: just to clarify, by "fine" I mean "new" or "like new"... in other words, the way I expected it to be!

68UK_History_Fan
Sep 30, 2011, 12:05am Top

> 67

I do not think I am being overly critical in a book that costs $200. I would encourage you to go back and review the pictures of my damaged copy again. I sincerely doubt many people on here would have kept a copy in that condition. I also hold Easton Press and Folio Society to a higher standard in brand new books ordered direct than eBay resellers marketing like new condition so comparing it to a 5-star transaction with them is not equivalent to me.

69astropi
Sep 30, 2011, 12:18am Top

68: I'm not saying I would not have returned a book if I felt it had glaring defects, I am merely saying that

1)my copy does have small defects, but I would not have noticed them without people here pointing them out
2)I think most books have some sort of defect. I bet even a $2000 book probably has some defects if you really looked for them. Of course, the question becomes what is a defect and what is just a natural consequence of the producing the book?

I do agree with you, it's fair to hold EP and FS to a higher standard. I don't however agree with your statement in post #66. The few times I've received flawed books from the FS and EP (very rare in both cases) I immediately got replacements; but despite all the books I've owned the number of flaws has been tiny. Of course, it's possible I'm not as picky as some other people, it's hard to gauge, but anyway, that's how I feel :)

70UK_History_Fan
Sep 30, 2011, 7:35pm Top

> 51
Well my FOURTH copy of the DLE Gulliver's Travels arrived today (number 227 for those of you who are tracking the numbers in my shipments), the one that was personally inspected by Michelle in customer service.

I hope you are all sitting down because FINALLY a copy of this book worth keeping!!!! I almost couldn't believe my eyes (though it should be noted I inspected this at dusk in low light, perhaps that is how I should have examined the previous copies as well ;-)

There was no silver overspray, only 1 of the corners showed a very small ding where the pink leather underneath shows through, and the fold over of the leather over the corners of the board is the tightest and the best version of this I have seen yet. There are a few minor flaws (a small dent on the top of the back board and some pretty clear rubbing, perhaps from the inside of the slipcase, on the extreme edge of the lower front board), but having seen what it can look like, at this point I have to admit these are flaws I can live with and I will keep this copy and move on and stop bitching about the lack of quality control on this DLE publication!

David (Quicksilver66): there is still hope for your replacement copy! With any luck, no need to rebind.

71Quicksilver66
Oct 1, 2011, 12:39am Top

> 70 Congratulations Sean. Good news - there is hope in this world after all. My fingers are crossed for my copy.

> 69 I can be fussy. But my copy was of worse quality than the titles I regularly receive as part of my 100 Greatest subscription, and where I have never had any quality issues at all. For all the money and the fanfare about “special limited edition”, EP should be able to do better than this. I think they should look at changing binders if this is the sort of work they return.

72iluvbeckett
Oct 1, 2011, 1:26am Top

>70 UK_History_Fan:: Hallelujah!!!

73Quicksilver66
Oct 10, 2011, 2:57pm Top

I received my replacement copy of Gullivers Travels today and, guess what - there are two lumps of what appear to be silver over spay on the back cover. Believe me I am not being over-fussy and I am sure anyone of you would return this if you received it. I have requested a replacement and am awaiting a response, although I must admit I am tired of the whole thing and feel like asking for a refund.

This edition of Gullivers Travels stinks. I am having major issues with EP at the moment. They are giving me to much hassle and I am beginning to think I may just cancel all my subscriptions and dump them.

74astropi
Oct 10, 2011, 6:22pm Top

73: sounds terrible! Could you post some pics of the silver spray so we can see what it's like?

75Quicksilver66
Oct 10, 2011, 6:36pm Top

> 74

I will. As soon as I get the time I will post the pics. I don’t understand where this silver spray can come from? It’s not as if there is any silver incorporated into the binding design.

76wailofatail
Oct 10, 2011, 6:45pm Top

>75 Quicksilver66:: Nobody complains about the gold. What's wrong with a little silver here and there? Maybe we can get some platinum gilding as well. =)

77Quicksilver66
Oct 10, 2011, 6:46pm Top

> 76

That would be nice - but preferably applied in the right place and not in some random design on the back cover.

78acidneutral
Oct 10, 2011, 7:32pm Top

Something tells me Easton Press needs to stick with product they are able to make reasonably well most of the time. These DLE sound too difficult for them to make without making a mess. I enjoy my subscriptions, though. I am thinking the DLE are simply a waste of time.

79astropi
Oct 10, 2011, 11:10pm Top

78: I love the DLEs! Of course, I only have a few, but those that I have are wonderful. They're basically high-quality reproductions of illustrated classics that are very hard to find and very expensive. The cost on the DLEs is a small fraction of what you would pay for an original in fine condition. I hope EP continues along this trend, of course without the defects!

80wailofatail
Oct 10, 2011, 11:33pm Top

>79 astropi:: How many of the DLEs do you own, astropi? And which?

81Quicksilver66
Edited: Oct 11, 2011, 2:58pm Top

Well, EP are going to send me my third copy of Gullivers Travels. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

I have tried to take decent photos of the damage but my camera is pretty crummy and refuses to focus on a close up shot. This is the best I can do. You can just make out the damage to the bottom left board. There is similar damage to the top left board (you can’t see it on this photograph). There are also faint spots of “silver spray” along the bottom. You can also see how the leather is torn and nicked. It looks much worse in the flesh - I just can’t get an clear shot on my camera.



82ironjaw
Oct 11, 2011, 4:16pm Top

David could you try without the flash?

83Quicksilver66
Oct 11, 2011, 6:27pm Top

> 82

Unfortunately, I can’t remove the flash. It’s my wife's camera. I need to get a better one.

84acidneutral
Oct 11, 2011, 7:24pm Top

I can see it. I wouldn't be pleased either. I am glad they are going to send you a replacement.

85EastonQuality
Oct 11, 2011, 8:42pm Top

If you take a photo by the side the flash will not bounce directly back to the camera. For cameras there are many amazing results with cameras under $250.

86menteith
Oct 11, 2011, 9:36pm Top

I haven't ordered anything from EP in months. Too many quality control issues. I have had problems with my FS books as well but I give Folio more leeway because I typically enjoy their productions more. It's frustrating regardless.

87Django6924
Oct 12, 2011, 12:25am Top

"For cameras there are many amazing results with cameras under $250."

My son's Canon Powershot was under $100 and takes great pictures.

88Quicksilver66
Nov 8, 2011, 3:46pm Top

I received my third copy of Gullivers Travels today. The leather is ok but internally the spine is damaged. When I open the book there is a piece of card running along the length of the spine - this should be attached to the spine and is used to internally reinforce it. It is completely loose in my copy and looks unsightly. I am in two minds as to what to do about this. One half of me says that I should stop being so fussy and I can probably glue the piece in with some strong glue. The other half of me says that this is a limited edition and it should have been produced to a high standard and why should I have to faff around with glue - I should return it and ask for a refund. Either way it’s not good enough.

This is a terrible limited edition, shoddily produced and not even up to the production standard of a Readers Choice title. EP will destroy their reputation putting out books like this. If you are on the fence about this LE my advice would be to forget it and put your money towards the FS LE Gullivers Travels instead.

89acidneutral
Nov 8, 2011, 5:39pm Top

Wow, that's really a shame. I was really hoping this would work out for you as I know you love this book so. I would return it and send a letter to Peter Sydney explaining the problems and also the unacceptable quality control of these expensive books. Its really quite shocking and I think they should know of their eroding reputation among collectors of such books.

90Quicksilver66
Nov 8, 2011, 6:32pm Top

> 89

I think I may do that, Acidneutral. It is a shame because I know EP can produce great quality books. I really don’t know what has happened with this edition.

91UK_History_Fan
Edited: Nov 8, 2011, 8:47pm Top

> 91
Sorry to hear you have still not received an acceptable copy. I would love to know what the return rate is on this title as I suspect it is likely triple their norm.

Unfortunately, while Gulliver is the most egregious example of the rapidly declining EP quality, it is certainly not an anomaly. My second copy of DLE Aesop has arrived and it is also not acceptable. The limitation page inside the book is blank though there is the standard loose insert with my assigned number but in DLE there is NO excuse for this as the limitation is a good part of the reason we bibliophiles pay such high prices. Also the corner damage and excess glue present on my replacement Vol I is much worse than my present copy so I will keep my original volume I. Now the Volume II in the replacement set is indeed superior to my original so I will keep the replacement. So by ordering 2 copies and mixing and matching I am able to obtain one complete set that meets minimally acceptable standards. But as has been pointed out ad nauseum this is completely unacceptable for a DLE.

Also, I just received my copy of Prince and the Pauper. While the clamshell is quite lovely and well constructed and the leather exterior seems very fine (similar to the A Midsummer Night's Dream in smoothness), I would have appreciated a slightly deeper gilding to the front cover. The corners appear fine (though in the back board lower corner the leather fold appears excessive resulting in a bit of a flap) but there are a few pin-hole size flaws in the leather itself, I have no idea from what. Again, all of this is within acceptable quality variation range. But when I open the book the first 50 pages or so are excessively wrinkled, almost as if they have been sewn too tightly. Unfortunately, the appearance is more like water damage, though I do not suspect this as the cause. Certainly it is readable but I wonder if even this should not go back for a replacement. Then again, perhaps I have become so embittered by my recent DLE experiences that I am in fact noticing flaws I would in the past have overlooked.

Does anyone else have any "crinkled" pages in their Prince and Pauper (it occurs closest to the page fold and gets smoother toward the outer edges of the page which made me suspect too tight a binding on the first section)? The phenomenon does not recur in the second part of the book.

92UK_History_Fan
Nov 8, 2011, 8:48pm Top

> 89
Does anyone actually know how to contact Peter Sydney directly? I would hate to address an email or letter to him only to have it dealt with by a powerless underling.

93iluvbeckett
Edited: Nov 8, 2011, 8:54pm Top

>91 UK_History_Fan:: Fan, just to clarify, do you mean that the copy number of the Aesop was not written in the space provided on the page? -Or was the the page itself missing?

94acidneutral
Nov 8, 2011, 9:09pm Top

95UK_History_Fan
Nov 8, 2011, 10:00pm Top

> 93
The copy number was not written in the space provided on the page.

96astropi
Nov 8, 2011, 11:39pm Top

91: I have not noticed any issues with my copy of P&P. I'm really sorry all of you are having such issues. Could you please post pics of the damage?

97Quicksilver66
Edited: Nov 9, 2011, 6:26am Top

> 91

This is terrible Sean. I think you are correct when you talk of "rapidly declining quality" and this is no hyperbole. There appear to be major problems at EP. Depending on the severity of the paper wrinkling on the Prince and the Pauper, I would return to EP. It should not happen and that's the long and the short of the matter. These are expensive LE's and should be produced to very high standards. EP are asking us to part with a lot of money for these volumes, payable in installments, and they need to deliver on their side of the bargain.

Was the Prince and the Pauper bound by Bind Tech?

Regarding your replacement Aesop, the absence of the limitation page on a limited edition is a crass flaw and totally inexcusable. The corner damage and excess glue is nothing more than shoddy - shoddy, shoddy, shoddy (not to belabour the point). My experiences mirror yours on the Aesop. My first copy of Volume 1 had a plate missing. The replacement has arrived and all the pages seem intact but Volume 2 has unacceptable levels of scarring to the leather. To counter this I have kept Volume 2 of the first Aesop set (although this also has a rather ugly pink scar on one of the corners where the leather is folded over the board edge). I think this is the best I am going to get and I am tired of dealing with EP over this. But I also have had to go through two sets of this book then "mix and match" them to get an acceptable set. Shoddy.

I can't see myself buying any more EP LE's for a while (if at all). They have excellent customer service but I am still totally hacked off at the hassle I have had with them. I have no confidence in their ability to produce a LE that is up to standard. What I don't understand is that every month I receive a relatively inexpensive title from the 100 Greatest Series and, despite the comments about the quality declining generally over the past 10 years (which I accept), these volumes are otherwise perfectly bound and attractive with no defects whatsoever. I have had the same experience with other sets I have subscribed to, such as the Adventure set, Shakespeare, Tarzan and Sherlock Holmes. Although there are still odd quality issues, such as the gold and black lettering and design rubbing of on the side of my Tutankhamen volumes, but they are generally well bound and of acceptable quality. However, these odd quality issues pale into insignificance next to the problems I have had on these far more expensive LE's.

Can I ask people that own previous LE's who they have been bound by? I know the Romance of King Arthur was bound by Kingsport and they did a first class job on this truly beautiful and superlative LE. My split Fahrenheit 451 was Bind Tech (I have not replaced this as copies are no longer available). Metamorphoses was Bind Tech and my copy seems ok (although I have noticed some minor scarring of the leather and some scratches to the guilt edged pages on volume 2). Were Bind Tech used on other, older LE's? I keep wondering if the calamitous decline in quality is due to the use of Bind Tech who don't seem to be up to the job. Or am I being unfair? I don't want to accuse Bind Tech unjustly, but the evidence before my eyes is quite damning.

It's such a shame because EP have shown great discernment in the editions they have selected for LE's. They are all worthy of the LE treatment and are often beautifully designed with stunning end-papers (although I am getting a little tired of the standard brown leather and would like to see a little more imagination with different colour leather bindings).

I think contacting Peter Sydney is a good idea. He seems to genuinely care and I certainly get the feeling that he is "one of us". If EP are being let down by their suppliers then they can address this. If they are producing the books too cheaply, they can address this also. I am sure most of us would pay a little more for a product that was perfect - I know I would. But I am not paying the current prices (or higher) for shoddy work. At the end of the day great customer service counts for nothing if the books are shoddily produced by Bind Tech and not quality checked. I hope EP can address these issues because I really want to give them my hard earned money but I am finding it increasingly difficult to do so.

98ironjaw
Nov 9, 2011, 7:06am Top

Sean and David, I am really saddened to hear about this, especially since they are continuing to affect you and the issues in quality aren't being rectified. I believe your right in expressing them here. I also do think you should copy and paste the problems you have with the respective EP LE - Aesop, Gulliver, etc. in this topic http://www.librarything.com/topic/124859 so that we can combine the problems we have.

I believe you should contact Peter Sydney by sending an email addressed to him to Customer Service (customerservice@eastonpress.com) and in general if you have any comments to Alexandra McGregor. I do have his direct email address which I will PM you. I don't remember whether he gave me permission to share it but he did say that now that I have it I am more than welcome to contact him directly if I have any other concerns. Your and Sean's concern is obvisiously my concern and thus I will PM it to you.

99Quicksilver66
Nov 9, 2011, 7:20am Top

Faisel

Thank you. I think I will email him direct for his comments. I will also cut and paste into the other thread.

100Tom41
Nov 9, 2011, 8:17am Top

>97 Quicksilver66: Bind Tech did The Crusades and The Divine Comedy, also. I have not notices any problems with these; however, my Ovid Vol.2 has a minor scuff on the front cover.

101EastonQuality
Nov 11, 2011, 5:30pm Top

I received my Gulliver's Travels today, after inspecting in and out the book was in perfect shape. As a small bonus the number was 222, doubler of the date today, 11-11-11

102astropi
Nov 13, 2011, 7:05am Top

101: always nice to get a palindrome! One day, I hope to get the best number, "1", but doubt that will happen :)

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