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2lemontwist
Edited: Nov 1, 2011, 4:18pm Top

If an author wrote a foreward to a book that has more copies than any of the books they legitimately wrote, the author page will say "Joe Schmoe author of Book They Wrote a Foreward To."

Example: http://www.librarything.com/author/sherrlynn who only wrote the foreward to Mercury 13. I think it's misleading to say she is the author!!

3jbd1
Nov 1, 2011, 4:20pm Top

Ah - right, secondary author status shouldn't count toward that line, I think - right Tim?

4brightcopy
Edited: Nov 1, 2011, 4:23pm Top

This may be cruft from older versions of the code, but I've noticed it on a few books. Take a look at where the hand cursor is in this screenshot (sorry for the size, but much smaller would probably be unreadable):



It appears there is a hidden "X", because if you click there, you get the "Reject?" question popup. I THINK this only appears on "primary author" type of authors, but that could be wrong.

ETA: Link to the work: http://www.librarything.com/work/11464686

5prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 5:21pm Top

It's unclear what to do when the primary author is bad and the real main author is listed below. In the case of In Nomine Game Master's Screen, it was easy to end up with Derek Pearcy listed twice.

6timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 5:33pm Top

>5 prosfilaes:

You can't currently promote main and secondary authors to "primary" status. But you can change the primary and then make the rest fit. Who's the real primary?

7prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 5:47pm Top

I was working on the Koboldnomicon (I've got an author page! Woo-hoo!). I entered the main authors from my list, but discovered I hadn't entered them all. So I turned to the book and discovered I'd mistyped Fields, Chris for Field, Chris. I fixed it in my edition, and deleted Fields, Chris as a confirmed editor. After reloading several times and using Recalculate from members' books several times, Fields, Chris is still an option and Field, Chris is not.

8prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 5:48pm Top

#6: Okay. It seems clunky and confusing, but I'll deconfirm Derek Pearcy as a main author.

9jbd1
Nov 1, 2011, 5:51pm Top

>7 prosfilaes: - my guess is that it might not pick up immediately. Tim?

10lilithcat
Nov 1, 2011, 5:54pm Top

> 6

Thank goodness. It's been driving me batty to have a translator of an anonymously authored work listed as the primary author.

11timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 6:14pm Top

>7 prosfilaes:

Yes, probably. Just enter it using the "add" option.

12brightcopy
Nov 1, 2011, 6:26pm Top

So what IS the deal with entries like these:

http://www.librarything.com/work/4415925

Karen A. Coombs — primary author all editions confirmed
Griffey, Jason — main author all editions confirmed

Note the Firstname Lastname and Lastname, Firstname discrepancy. It's confirmed, so I assume that means somehow the UI let them enter it that way. Is it an ongoing problem that they can still get reversed like this?

I know you know about this one, Tim, cause you twote it.

13prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 6:55pm Top

You can get into the edit other authors page, and even start making changes, without being logged in. It seems to redirect you to the log in page instead of actually making changes, though.

14eromsted
Nov 1, 2011, 7:33pm Top

After selecting other in the roles field I don't get a box to enter the role.

15Noisy
Nov 1, 2011, 8:15pm Top

>5 prosfilaes:, 6

I need to delete the primary author, because they should only be a main author. How do I go about doing that?

16rsterling
Nov 1, 2011, 8:29pm Top

I came here to report the same issue as post 2: if a book where the author is a secondary author has more copies than the ones where the author is primary, it's showing up under the author's name at the top.

Here's another example:
http://www.librarything.com/author/arendthannah

17prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 8:52pm Top

#15: I don't think you can; there has to be a primary author. You can change the primary author to be the guy whose currently only a main author.

18timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 9:53pm Top

So what IS the deal with entries like these:

http://www.librarything.com/work/4415925

Karen A. Coombs — primary author all editions confirmed
Griffey, Jason — main author all editions confirmed


Yeah, I know. The problem is real. Basically, the work-level author is currently stored in a format that easily produces the first-last version.

I'll have to think on it. Could involve some big changes.

You can get into the edit other authors page, and even start making changes, without being logged in. It seems to redirect you to the log in page instead of actually making changes, though.

Fixed.

After selecting other in the roles field I don't get a box to enter the role.

Will look into.

I came here to report the same issue as post 2: if a book where the author is a secondary author has more copies than the ones where the author is primary, it's showing up under the author's name at the top.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Be more specific?

19prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 10:18pm Top

#18: http://www.librarything.com/author/arendthannah is Hannah Arendt's author page. She's the author of Eichmann in Jerusalem, and that's what previously would have shown up at the top of her page, under "Hannah Arendt (1906–1975)". Now it's saying "Author of Illuminations", even though she just edited one edition of Illuminations by Walter Benjamin.

20timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 10:21pm Top

Ah. Sorry. I thought you meant the sorting of the items below it. Yes, that's a problem. Looking into.

21eromsted
Nov 1, 2011, 10:48pm Top

The "Other authors: See the other authors section." line appears on the Book details page but the link doesn't do anything.

22prosfilaes
Nov 1, 2011, 10:49pm Top

Secondary authors seem to be used a lot of places where they shouldn't. Francis B. Gummere was a translator of Beowulf, so now his page lists 11,569 members and that I have a work by him, neither of which are true.

23timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 11:22pm Top

The "Other authors: See the other authors section." line appears on the Book details page but the link doesn't do anything.

It does for me. It takes you down the page. Not for you?

24eromsted
Nov 1, 2011, 11:27pm Top

>23 timspalding:
It's fine on the main work page. But the Book details page doesn't have that section so there's nothing to jump down to. The other sub-pages listed in the left column have the same problem.

25Shortride
Nov 1, 2011, 11:55pm Top

Series pages don't yet show the added main authors.

Example: The Left Behind series page doesn't show Jerry B. Jenkins.

26timspalding
Nov 1, 2011, 11:55pm Top

Ah. I see. Good point. Considering.

27timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 12:07am Top

>25 Shortride:

That's intentional. In short contexts it shows only the primary author.

28brightcopy
Nov 2, 2011, 12:18am Top

#27 by timspalding> That seems a bit problematic.

29timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 12:31am Top

No. This is pretty standard stuff. When you're on Superfreakonomics on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/SuperFreakonomics-Cooling-Patriotic-Prostitutes-Insurance/...) and it recommends Freakonomics it says "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the... by Steven D. Levitt." That is, it shows the primary author, not all main authors. Books can have quite a few primary authors, and when the point is to mention a book quickly, it's best to do that, not waste everyone's time and space by listing all the others.

30prosfilaes
Nov 2, 2011, 12:43am Top

27> Does the list at the bottom show the main authors? It should; I can't tell with the Left Behind series if it does, because it says "Series authors (2)" and then shows only one picture.

31brightcopy
Nov 2, 2011, 12:48am Top

I don't really think having the two co-authors of a book on an LT Series page "wastes everyone's time and space". I also don't think an LT Series page is in any way analogous to an Amazon recommendation list. Which, I might note, shows book covers next to the name of each book , something LT doesn't do in the same way. They also abbreviate the title after 44 characters to "...". Again, something LT doesn't do on the Series page. They show only six books in that strip. LT potentially shows hundreds. And talking about "books can have quite a few primary authors" is a bit out there, since you and I both know that's an edge case and basing your logic around edge cases is a poor defense against the general case.

It's not even like you're comparing apples and oranges. It's more like apples and poodles.

And since when do you base things on Amazon, anyway? Amazon is a site designed to drive book sales. LT is a site about the richness of book cataloging. I can just as easily see you arguing the flip side of this. Actually, much more easily. I'd say think about it for a while and see if it makes any more sense to you later.

32timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 1:00am Top

Mmmm. Poodles.

33justjim
Nov 2, 2011, 1:08am Top

Mmmm. Smarties.

34timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 1:26am Top

This conversation is getting Twitter intertextual.

35Edward
Nov 2, 2011, 3:55am Top

Has the change introduced a bug into author aliasing? Anonymous (1) is now the primary author of Beowulf and is aliased into Beowulf Poet, but Beowulf does not appear on the Beowulf Poet author page. For a smaller-scale example, see the aliasing from J. Mills (1) to Jack Mills.

36r.orrison
Nov 2, 2011, 8:27am Top

35: author aliasing bug?
I've noticed the same thing at http://www.librarything.com/author/hargreaves (1) which is aliased into http://www.librarything.com/author/hargreavesharry.

37aulsmith
Nov 2, 2011, 8:41am Top

There is an "other authors" line in Book Information. I think it is supposed to display the other author information from my record (but maybe it's a link to the information below?) Anyway, mine is currently displaying a row of commas for one of my entries with lots of contributors and it doesn't link to anything else. (link)

38jbd1
Nov 2, 2011, 8:58am Top

Bug: when a secondary author requests LT Author status, the request comes through as being from the primary author's authorcode.

39SylviaC
Nov 2, 2011, 9:14am Top

Same bug as aulsmith reported, "Other authors" in the book information box on work pages just shows commas.

40Noisy
Nov 2, 2011, 9:46am Top

I've added seven other author roles to my copy of The Incal. When I go in to edit the other authors, I don't see the ones I added, and they aren't retrieved by the deep dive button.

41brightcopy
Nov 2, 2011, 10:13am Top

Is this bug caused by the new code?



Notice how my book "Other authors" shows just commas. There's valid data, there:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3366761/details/54856485

42jbd1
Nov 2, 2011, 10:15am Top

>41 brightcopy: - Yah. It's fixed on our end, but Tim hasn't pushed the change yet. Stay tuned :-)

43timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 11:11am Top

Comma bug fixed.

44timspalding
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 11:50am Top

Deleted.

45brightcopy
Nov 2, 2011, 11:50am Top

#44 by timspalding> Sounds good, but - wrong thread? I'll reserve more comments in case you want to move it.

46lemontwist
Nov 2, 2011, 1:35pm Top

Not sure if this is a bug or I'm doing something wrong. I wanted to change the primary author on this book: http://www.librarything.com/work/6850057/book/75701842 used to be Howard Zinn but should be Maxine Kline. So I changed it. Now Howard Zinn shows up twice in the author, if you click on Maxine Kline it sends you to a weird Howard Zinn author page, etc......

47rsterling
Nov 2, 2011, 1:41pm Top

When you change a primary author in the light box, after you go through the process of selecting the name and role, it takes you back to the edit other authors lightbox, but doesn't show the primary author change. It also doesn't change on the top of the author page when you close the box; you have to refresh the page.

The bug is that it is changing the primary author, but it isn't showing that it's changed unless you close and re-open the lightbox and/or refresh the author page.

48eromsted
Nov 2, 2011, 1:50pm Top

>46 lemontwist:,47
No. Everything in the other authors box is now correct (except I would leave the roles blank when all are 'author') but the top of the page is displaying incorrectly, even on refresh.

I note that Maxine Kline was not previously in the system as an author. Perhaps that caused some kind of problem.

49timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 1:58pm Top

I think I've fixed the problem of primary authors not updating. (They did SOMETIMES, but not always. It was database lag.)

50rsterling
Nov 2, 2011, 2:00pm Top

48 - I wasn't responding to lemontwist's bug, but rather reporting my own.

When I'm seeing this it's correcting on refresh. I'm not sure if lemontwist's bug is the same or different.

51rsterling
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:05pm Top

Possible bug: after changing primary authors for several works where the last-name-only was previously winning out, I'm still seeing the works on the last-name-only author page.

http://www.librarything.com/author/nixon

Previously that Nixon author page was split. What I did was to change all the primary authors on the works, assuming that that would move them to the right page, and then I undid the split--apparently prematurely, since the works are still showing up on the Nixon page.

The works are showing up on the changed primary author page (the name I added), so at least that part is working right.

ETA - actually, it gets even stranger, since one of the works did disappear from the "works by" section of the page, yet still gets top billing as the work listed beside "author of" at the top of the page.

52timspalding
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:05pm Top

nixon

What would you say to a conversation about this—started in "Combiners!" Should we use this to avoid splitting, and if so, when? I'm wary of undoing all the work here.

To the bug, I'm looking into it.

53rsterling
Nov 2, 2011, 2:07pm Top

Yeah, I started on a small case, so I could see how it would work to change primary authors instead of splitting. This one would be easy enough to fix back.

However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

54timspalding
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:12pm Top

>51 rsterling:

Bug fixed, I believe, and all author-to-work lists expired from cache.

Update: And again.

However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

Yes, they should. I was expiring the "to" author, but not the "from."

55timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 2:35pm Top

When I'm seeing this it's correcting on refresh. I'm not sure if lemontwist's bug is the same or different.

Are you seeing the problem within the little "other authors" section, or are you talking about the very top of the page. That's not refreshing immediately.

56lilithcat
Nov 2, 2011, 2:45pm Top

I have started to get the "trained monkey" error message when trying to confirm or edit "other authors".

57DaynaRT
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 2:49pm Top

I'm getting the trained monkey error too.

eta: Confirming works fine, error happens when trying to edit roles.

58timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 2:51pm Top

Monkey has been disciplined.

59DaynaRT
Nov 2, 2011, 2:53pm Top

Yup. He's no longer flinging poo.

60timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 2:56pm Top

Ew.

61eromsted
Nov 2, 2011, 2:58pm Top

Bump on the "can't add other roles" bug.

Not only is it not possible to add new other roles on the work page dialog, but it's impossible to maintain current other roles if something else needs to be edited (for instance changing from 'some editions' to 'all editions').

Very annoying.

62Crypto-Willobie
Nov 2, 2011, 3:03pm Top

I got a fatal error on this title http://www.librarything.com/work/273258 (A Fair Quarrel)
when trying to confrim William Rowley as (other) Main Author for All Editions. (Thomas Middleton is Primary Author). Not only was I unable to confirm Rowley but now the entire workpage shows a red fatal error message.

63timspalding
Nov 2, 2011, 3:05pm Top

Fixed. Sorry.

64Crypto-Willobie
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 3:11pm Top

> 62 Update: I reloaded the Fair Quarrell main page and it now longer shows Fatal Aire for the entire work, but Rowley still won't confirm as other Main Author. I tried it twice, thinking I had done it wrong the first time, still errored. Same steps have worked fine for me on other titles.

eta: I'll try again.

eata: Beautiful, thanks.

65Noisy
Nov 2, 2011, 6:28pm Top

Bumping my message at 40:

"I've added seven other author roles to my copy of The Incal. When I go in to edit the other authors, I don't see the ones I added, and they aren't retrieved by the deep dive button."

66leahbird
Edited: Nov 2, 2011, 10:07pm Top

most importantly, for me, is the problem i've had from the beginning of beta testing: new authors that weren't previously in the system and are added to works STILL do not show up in a search and, when their name is clicked from the work page, the page that shows up shows the previous primary authors name and only the work you came from. this is HIGHLY frustrating. i've been keeping a list of authors i've entered that behave this way, which i will post here.

Rob R Slocum (The Mating and Breeding of Poultry)
Annie Di Donna (Logicomix)
Daniel Vozzo (Fables: March of the Wooden Soldiers)
Eva del la Cruz (Fables: Sons of Empire)
Laura Allred (Fables: Sons of Empire)
Inaki Miranda (Fables: Sons of Empire)
Russ Braun (Fables: Great Fables Crossover)
Jose Marzan Jr (Fables: Great Fables Crossover)
Joao Ruas (Fables: Witches)
Chrissie Zullo (Cinderella: From Fabletown With Love)
Florence Rutherford (Amelia Peabody's Egypt: A Compendium)
Lisa Speckhardt (Amelia Peabody's Egypt: A Compendium)
Margareta Knauff (Amelia Peabody's Egypt: A Compendium)
Rhoda Howard-Hassman (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Lisa Haijar (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Richard Neild (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Maryellen Fullerton (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Maivân Clech Lâm (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Lee Swepston (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Stephen A Hansen (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Arjun Sengupta (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Luis E Rodriguez-Rivera (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Evan T Kennedy (Human Rights in the World Community: Issues and Action)
Christopher Gerf (Your Favorite Seuss)
Starr LaTronica (Your Favorite Seuss)
Jeffery H Mahan (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Meredith Jindra (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Gregor Goethals (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Mark D Hulsether (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Jane Naomi Iwamura (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Meredith Underwood (Religion and Popular Culture in America)
Rebecca Bliege Bird (Anthropological Theory: An Introductory History)
Douglas W Bird (Anthropological Theory: An Introductory History)
Sally Slocum (Anthropological Theory: An Introductory History)
Leslie White (Anthropological Theory: An Introductory History)
Georges Fouron (The Anthropology of Politics: A Reader in Ethnography, Theory, and Critique)
Ronald Frankenburg (The Anthropology of Politics: A Reader in Ethnography, Theory, and Critique)
Ann Wright (I, Rigoberta Menchu: An Indian Woman In Guatemala)
Paul Tullis (Created in Darkness by Troubled Americans: The Best of McSweeney's Humor Category)
Neil Pollack (Created in Darkness by Troubled Americans: The Best of McSweeney's Humor Category)
Alysia Gray Painter (Created in Darkness by Troubled Americans: The Best of McSweeney's Humor Category)
Suzanne Kleid (Created in Darkness by Troubled Americans: The Best of McSweeney's Humor Category)
May Ebihara (Annihilating Difference: The Anthropology of Genocide)
Toni Shapiro-Phim (Annihilating Difference: The Anthropology of Genocide)
G Tassinari (Pinocchio)

67leahbird
Nov 3, 2011, 12:08am Top

#46 by lemontwist> this is almost the same as my problem. good to know it's happening to others (but sorry you're having problems).

68prosfilaes
Nov 3, 2011, 3:38am Top

Authors aren't sticking. All day, the author of Beowulf was anonymous, and it didn't apparently change when I was combining works with it, but now it's back to Seamus Heaney, even though the Other Authors box clearly lists Anonymous as the primary author.

69_Zoe_
Nov 3, 2011, 9:09am Top

The Book Information box doesn't stay moved; it reverts to its original position.

70Nerilka
Nov 3, 2011, 10:52am Top

>68 prosfilaes: Replied on the other thread too - but probably more appropriate to bugs:

If you set the Primary Author in Other authors, the work page shows the author as Anonymous. However, when someone clicks recalculate title/author it reverts to Seamus Heaney. So you can reset the primary author back to Anon....

Could become a permanent loop fixing it as the results of neither function seems to be deemed authoritative.

71timspalding
Nov 3, 2011, 11:01am Top

>70 Nerilka:

Thanks you. I thought that might happen. I'll take a look.

722wonderY
Nov 3, 2011, 11:16am Top

Ah! The man who can nail that sucker down!

73timspalding
Nov 3, 2011, 11:39pm Top

Beowulf thing is now okay. Recalculate works.

74timspalding
Nov 4, 2011, 1:40am Top

#18: http://www.librarything.com/author/arendthannah is Hannah Arendt's author page. She's the author of Eichmann in Jerusalem, and that's what previously would have shown up at the top of her page, under "Hannah Arendt (1906–1975)". Now it's saying "Author of Illuminations", even though she just edited one edition of Illuminations by Walter Benjamin.

Okay. It's no longer counting "Also by" authors in that section.

We've got to figure out what else is affected. For user membership counts, for tags, for ratings, etc. should it count only works you are main for?

75prosfilaes
Nov 4, 2011, 2:32am Top

#74: I would say it should be based on all editions. If an author did a little work on some edition of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, or Beowulf, it swamps everything else out, even if nobody bought a copy of their edition. Whereas if you wrote an introduction for all copies of work, at least you really are connected to all the editions that are being counted. On the other hand, I can see the argument that a secondary author on all editions really shouldn't have it counted for membership counts, tags, etc.

76Shortride
Nov 4, 2011, 2:15pm Top

I added the Charles W. Morton as the second author to Dahl's Boston, but the copies of Dahl's Boston that have Dahl as a primary author aren't showing up on the combine page for Morton.

77snurp
Nov 4, 2011, 7:38pm Top

Not sure if this is a bug, but if the primary author is also listed as a secondary author for some editions of the same work (e.g., Narrator for the audio book), the works no longer appear under "Works by ..." but under "Also by ...". They seem to also vanish from the combine page for the author.

See e.g. Stardust and Coraline for Neil Gaiman.

78snurp
Nov 4, 2011, 7:53pm Top

Maybe I'm missing something, but there seems to be no way to assign a "secondary work" to a split author, since the work won't appear on the disambiguation page, nor on the split author page.

See e.g. Realms of Valor for Elaine Cunningham (she is a contributor to that anthology).

79Crypto-Willobie
Nov 5, 2011, 9:53am Top

I think this may the same as the bug mentioned at post 40, but here's another example in case it's useful.

The primary author on The Roaring Girl http://www.librarything.com/work/244910/book/36699137 is Thomas Middleton (1). If you look at the work page it also shows Thomas Dekker (1) as another Author (he is entered as a Main Author for All Editions). But if you follow the link to Dekker's page (or just go there) this work does not appear. (Don't confuse it with the collection The Roaring Girl and other City Comedies which does show there; the one I mean should be listed second on Dekker's page with 86 copies.) If needed I can supply some other examples of this phenom for Main Authors I added yesterday.

I waited to see if this would update overnight but it didn't. Am I missing something or doing something wrong? Odd thing, I THINK I did some of these Main Author additions day before yesterday and they did work, though I may be misremembering.

80rsterling
Edited: Nov 5, 2011, 1:30pm Top

As reported above, I'm also seeing that author pages that are split (disambiguation pages) aren't showing any "also by" information: they're only showing works where the authors are listed as primary.

ETA - Generally, it looks like this new feature broke a few parts of author splitting/disambiguation & aliasing. See post 78 above on works missing from disambiguation pages, and post 35 on aliasing not working (works not showing up on both pages any more).

81rsterling
Nov 5, 2011, 6:49pm Top

53-4>
Me: However, from a coding point of view, should the works be disappearing from the Nixon page when the primary author is changed?

Tim: Yes, they should. I was expiring the "to" author, but not the "from."


I'm still not seeing these expiring from the "from" author, when I change the primary author. Is there a lag?

Another bug I'm seeing is related to the one atlargeintheworld mentions above (post 66), though not exactly the same. If I change the primary author to one that's not already in the system, it does something funny. It creates a work page with a URL that matches the new primary author name, but the name at the top of the page is the former primary author.

Here's an example. I changed the primary author for a work from "Cross" to "Cross, Edwin N." This created this author page:
www.librarything.com/author/crossedwinn
But at the top of that author page, it says "Cross" rather than "Edwin N. Cross".

82yoyogod
Nov 5, 2011, 10:54pm Top

I'm not entirely certain that it's because of this, but the book Clickers no longer shows up on the page of coauthor Mark Williams. It was under williamsmark-5 when this rolled out in beta, but now it sees to have disappeared.

83rsterling
Nov 5, 2011, 11:24pm Top

82: Yeah, it's messed up aliasing: works are no longer showing on both alias pages. If you set the author using this new feature it should show up.

Another bug. I think there's a delay in things showing up on combination pages after the author is changed/set. Also, when there's an author page created through changing one of these works, the author page doesn't work for author combining. It still treats it like an empty no-work page.

84mene
Nov 6, 2011, 6:21am Top

I scrolled through the topic but I'm not sure if it already came up -
On this book: http://www.librarything.com/work/2407784/details/79685673 there are 4 authors (each one wrote a short story). I saw another book with two authors listed below the title, why isn't that happening here?

85Crypto-Willobie
Nov 6, 2011, 8:18am Top

> 84 The problem is that the other authors have not been confirmed yet. Go to this work's Main Page and scroll down until you see the link that says Add/Edit Other Authors. You'll see there that the 3 other authors have not yet been confirmed. Click on the pencil icon to the right of each author to adjust his/her details and then save to confirm. It appears that each should be called a Main Author, classified as a Contributor in the pull-down, and confirmed for All Editions (not for each appearance of one of these stories everywhere, but for each edition of this unique Work comprising these specific four stories).

86mene
Nov 6, 2011, 10:16am Top

> 85: Thank you! I was wondering why my other authors didn't appear. Now I can go fix it :D

87Crypto-Willobie
Nov 6, 2011, 12:03pm Top

Graag gedaan...

88rsterling
Nov 6, 2011, 2:40pm Top

Various author bugs (combining, aliasing, author pages) that may be related to or inadvertently created by this new feature:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/126308
http://www.librarything.com/topic/126264
http://www.librarything.com/topic/126311

89leahbird
Nov 7, 2011, 3:35pm Top

Tim, can I get some feedback re my post at #66. I really just want to know if this is something only I am seeing cause it's weird and frustrating and I haven't gotten a response about it since Beta testing.

90prosfilaes
Nov 8, 2011, 4:51pm Top

I know this may relate to a bug you think you fixed, but I created a bunch of authors for Night Voices, Night Journeys, and those without pre-existing works are showing up as Ken Asamatsu for the name.

91andyl
Nov 9, 2011, 1:22pm Top

Something strange going on here.

Edited http://www.librarything.com/work/48072 to add Michael Embden as cover artist.

He appears in the table.

Clicking on his name takes me to http://www.librarything.com/author/embdenmichael (which looks correct to me).

However the author name at the top of that page reads Jessica Amanda Salmonson.

92Crypto-Willobie
Edited: Nov 12, 2011, 11:55pm Top

New Bug? at least I don't think I've seen this one mentioned...

Look at the Other Authors edit field for this book: http://www.librarything.com/work/2076340
You'll see the second Editor (MacDonald) entered three times -- but I didn't add those two extras. Or rather I did, but they appeared when I twice tried to enter the Editor role to replace the "--" for the primary Editor (Inge). I've left the duplicates as they are in case that gives a clue to what's happening.

This is the second time this has happened to me, although I didn't record the first instance, just left the Primary' role blank and moved on...

93SylviaC
Nov 12, 2011, 11:11pm Top

>92 Crypto-Willobie:
That happened to me a couple of times, too. After closing the lightbox and reopening it, I was able to fill in the primary author's role. I have no idea why it happened those few times out of all the ones I've done.

94Crypto-Willobie
Edited: Nov 12, 2011, 11:53pm Top

Thanks SylviaC, that work-around worked. I was able to go back and add Editor to the Primary.

Still, this is a bug, though not a major one. When you are adding and fixing various Other Authors, if you then as part of the same process try to add a role to the blank Primary author, it instead adds a duplicate entry for the Main Author just below. You can avoid the dupes and correctly add the Primary Role by closing the window and then going back in, but you ought to be able to just do it as part of the regular editing process.

95Crypto-Willobie
Nov 13, 2011, 9:53am Top

Apparently the bug described in 40 and 79 has been fixed: Other Authors are now appearing on disambiguation pages, ripe for assignment to 1 or 2 or 3 etc...
Thanks!

96andyl
Nov 13, 2011, 10:09am Top

#93

Yep - that happened once for me as well. I couldn't recreate it so it is obviously an odd one.

97eromsted
Nov 13, 2011, 10:19am Top

>93 SylviaC:,96
I've found that if I first confirm some other author and then try to change the role of the primary author, the role change doesn't stick. I then have to close the lightbox, reopen and go directly to changing the primary author role.

98Stevil2001
Edited: Nov 13, 2011, 7:18pm Top

What's up with this?

99rsterling
Nov 13, 2011, 7:38pm Top

98 - That page can also be seen here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/8953481/summary/50764335

There are several things wrong there. The top should be showing you the authors listed on your own copy. Right now, it's showing a mix of book-level and work-level stuff: the first instance of by Nicholas Wright is from your copy, while the second instance is because he's listed as the second author on the work.

There's also an error in the display of the work details at the bottom of the Book Information box. It's not showing all authors there as it should. Where it says:
Work details
His Dark Materials - The Play by Philip Pullman

It should say:
Work details
His Dark Materials - The Play by Philip Pullman, Nicholas Wright (author)

100MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 15, 2011, 10:02am Top

I found that one of my books had major problems. I deleted a bad Canonical title. Then I was able to combine it with the larger work, but that had a bad author name on it. Silitchm, Clarissa M. for Silitch, Clarissa M. I combined the names, asked Amazon to fix their data. Then I tried to fix the other author information.

First I fixed the primary author. That went OK. However I then wanted to correct and confirm the second author (all editions). When I clicked on it it switched to the primary author. I finally deleted it, and added the second author back in.

However I have the authors entered in the other order in my catalogue, and now my book page says by Cherry Pyron (Editor), Cherry Pyron (Editor) at the top. Seeing as my order agrees with both LoC and World Cat, I don't really see any reason to change my data, but this is a mess.

http://www.librarything.com/work/6595428/summary/41833837

101Mareofthesea
Nov 15, 2011, 10:10am Top

100: What happens when you hit recalculate? I've found that it sometimes helps in these situations?

102fdholt
Nov 15, 2011, 10:34am Top

#100 Since WorldCat lists Pryon first, I think that switching the primary author to Pryon and other author to Silitch would be appropriate.

This is the statement of responsibility from WorldCat: prepared by the staff of Yankee, ; Cherry Pyron and Clarissa M. Silitch, editors.

103MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 15, 2011, 2:53pm Top

I don't think it makes a lot of difference. Either way some of us are going to have a wierd look for our authors. For what it's worth, my copy of the book (1st edition, 2nd printing) has at the top of the copyright page:

Illustrated by Margo Litourneau
Designed by Carl F. Kirkpatrick
Cherry Pyron and Clarissa M. Silitch, Editors

104Shortride
Nov 16, 2011, 12:08am Top

For The Best American Short Stories 2011, clicking Richard Powers takes you to the disambiguation page, not the assigned page.

105Stbalbach
Nov 16, 2011, 2:43am Top

The Best American Essays of the Century

Attempt to change the primary author from "Atwan, Robert" to "Oates, Joyce Carol" results in:

502 Bad Gateway
nginx/0.8.54

106sm5por
Edited: Nov 20, 2011, 8:12am Top

When a new secondary author (here Lasse Lindberg) has no previous history as a primary author on LT, his contribution (to Tunnelbanan i Stockholm in this case) is stated under the heading "Works by Lasse Lindberg" as follows:

Tunnelbanan i Stockholm (also Illustrator) 1 copy

I don't see the rationale behind "also" above; Lindberg is merely the illustrator of this book work and nothing else. The wording suggests he wrote the text as well, which isn't the case.

In contrast, the author page of Ingegerd Lindström shows one book work she wrote under "Works by Ingegerd Lindström" and one she translated under "Also by Ingegerd Lindström", the latter properly attributing her as "Translator, some editions".

It doesn't matter to me what the heading says, but the role probably shouldn't have an "also" unless the same person has filled multiple roles for the same book work.

Edit: Adjusted my comment to adhere to LT terminology.

107jbd1
Nov 18, 2011, 4:39pm Top

>106 sm5por: - Yeah I really don't know where that "also" came from. It shouldn't be there in cases like that. Tim?

108koffieyahoo
Nov 20, 2011, 6:33am Top

I hope this is the right thread and my apologies if these bug have been mentioned before. I'm seeing the same author twice at the top of:

http://www.librarything.com/work/683169/book/25792415

where I expect Edward M. Reingold and Nachum Dershowitz in some order.

Another problem: Tried to combine D.S. Scott, a co-author of:

http://www.librarything.com/work/6796111/book/26021492

with Dana S. Scott:

http://www.librarything.com/author/scottdanas

This fails with a "This author, or form of author, does not currently have any books in LibraryThing."

109sm5por
Nov 20, 2011, 7:55am Top

> 108 - It's the right thread and I think it has been mentioned before, but I haven't read all the postings through and I don't know whether a solution is in the works. In any case, I noticed that when I chop off the book-specific part of the URL, I get

http://www.librarything.com/work/683169

which seems like a "main page" for the work, and there Nachum Dershowitz and Edward M. Reingold both appear as authors. So, the error appearantly affects only the book-specific pages (or some of them). I'll stop trying to analyze the behaviour here, as I know next to nothing about LT internals beyond what is appearant from its user interface.

110rsterling
Nov 20, 2011, 12:53pm Top

Yes, there are still display problems at the top of work pages, where it's mixing up author information from one's own edition and from the work info.

111rsterling
Nov 20, 2011, 12:55pm Top

Another bug is reported here, but the terminology there is confusing:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/127148

Basically, if the author is not listed as primary, the book is not available on the disambiguation page. That means that if you have two different authors with the same name -- say, one who's a writer and one who's an illustrator -- there's no way to split the author page to reflect that, if the illustrator is not a primary author of some book.

112Crypto-Willobie
Nov 20, 2011, 5:48pm Top

> 40, 79. 95

Well, it turns out that the bug where works by Other Authors were not appearing on same-name Disambiguation Pages is only mostly fixed.

It's not that the OA works aren't appearing (under Unknown) but that not all of them show up on the Edit the Division / Assign Works to Authors list.

Examples:

Louis D. Rubin (1) had three works the other day still showing down under Unknown here http://www.librarything.com/author/rubinlouisd . Two of them I was able to assign correctly but the third, Secret and Sacred http://www.librarything.com/work/2102978 , does not show up on the Assign list http://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=rubinlouisd&page=assign . I've waited several days and it's still not available.

Paul Spencer (4) -- today I Other Authored him on a work and went to his Disambig page http://www.librarything.com/author/spencerpaul , where I found three of his Other works listed under Unknown. I was able to assign two (including my new one) to him, but a third http://www.librarything.com/work/8932207 does not show up in the Assign list http://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=spencerpaul&page=assign

I encountered another one like these the other day but can't now recall what it was.

BTW, when are we to start listing Other Author / Role bugs on the regular Bug Collectors group?

Thanks

113jbd1
Nov 22, 2011, 3:54pm Top

The free text "other" option now should be working. Tim's working through other bugs on this thread. I think the only other one I reported and is still broken is in #35, but there are others reported that need working on as well.

114timspalding
Nov 22, 2011, 4:10pm Top

I'm shutting down this page as a source of bugs for me to check. Too many have been fixed for me to keep track of what hasn't. I'll be watching for individual bug-collector bugs, which can, of course, reference here. Sorry to post this, but I'm just at sea.

115Crypto-Willobie
Nov 22, 2011, 4:26pm Top

Using Bug Collectors group sound fine. I'll repost 112 there, shall I? I just checked and the Paul Spencer bug is the same as it was.

Thanks so much for free-texting the Other. Actually it's not working for me yet, as I'm at work, on IE6 with popup firewalls out the wazoo. I'll try it at home on Firefox...

116timspalding
Nov 22, 2011, 4:32pm Top

Just link to it. I'll try to figure it out.

I am working on the author-work-splits not showing other author stuff. (Man, I'm just stringing words together.)

117leahbird
Edited: Nov 22, 2011, 9:46pm Top

i would just like to know that you've acknowledged/noticed the HUGE problem of new authors showing a completely fake author page that actually has the primary author's name and almost no other information. i don't care if it's fixed yet, i just haven't gotten a single response to the numerous reports i've made and i'm fearing that it's been completely overlooked.

for more details see #66 above.

eta: i know you are working very hard and i'm not trying to be difficult. i've just been trying to get some feedback on this since the first day of beta testing and no one has made any comment.

118jbd1
Nov 22, 2011, 9:48pm Top

>117 leahbird:. These examples should now be fixed. Let me know if you're seeing otherwise.

119jbd1
Nov 22, 2011, 9:49pm Top

That said, the strange "also" thing is still happening, i.e. at http://www.librarything.com/author/papadatosalecos (should simply say "Illustrator," not "also Illustrator")

120leahbird
Nov 22, 2011, 9:53pm Top

#118 by jbd1> thanks so much JBD. now i feel like a whiny brat. just to clarify, should the problem causing the issue be fixed or just those that have been caught already? should possible future occurrences be seen as a bug that needs to be reported or something that will work itself out?

121jbd1
Nov 22, 2011, 9:55pm Top

It was one of the bugs from beta that we fixed as the feature was rolled out. It, theoretically, shouldn't be happening anymore at all, so if you find it does (and if the recalculate author link doesn't work), you can report as a bug.

122leahbird
Nov 22, 2011, 9:56pm Top

much appreciated!

123Crypto-Willobie
Nov 22, 2011, 10:05pm Top

> 115
... and the Other Author free-text works great on Firefox. Thanks again!

124timspalding
Nov 23, 2011, 1:01am Top

"Also illustrator" bug is fixed. Thanks!

125timspalding
Nov 23, 2011, 1:22am Top

The "combine" page now includes works by the author as secondary authors.

126brightcopy
Nov 28, 2011, 12:20am Top

Reposted #4 as bug report as per Tim's request:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/127341

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