Cannot Re-Order Collections
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I've got a couple dozen collections in my library and I'm finding them extremely difficult to work with using your fancy Collections Manager. I can create collections, edit, delete, what have you with no issues. But when I go to drag a collection to change its position, the thing jumps halfway down the list and there's nothing I can do to bring it back up. If I grab it and drag it around, I can affect its final placement in the list (relatively higher or lower, depending on whether I drag it up or down), but I can never drag it high enough to go up past the halfway-or-so point.
This actually isn't new; it's been this way for as long as I can remember, I just haven't reported it. Also, it's totally 100% reproducible in Chrome/Safari and Firefox, so you're welcome for that.
Thanks for your help!
Hmm, I have a few dozen collections and I'm not seeing this problem (in FF 8) as I understand your description. No jumping, and drag and drop to reposition is awkward because it doesn't autoscroll, but it can be done in a couple of steps. This is not to dismiss the problem you're seeing, just to add another bit of info.
I've got about 60 collections and the problem did start small - that is, with a smaller jump - and got worse as the number of collections increased.
The collections feature is not designed to handle tons of collections. I'd recommend trying to use tags instead.
It's a bug that can be fixed. Once it's fixed, then the collections feature will have been designed to handle tons (or tens) of collections.
This sounds like the bug that's been reported multiple times and happens on the homepage with Firefox, but not on the catalogue/books page.
I just stopped using the homepage to mess with collections, even though it's often more convenient for me. :/
Ah, thanks for the tip! Yeah, it's not the most convenient, but it is a usable workaround.
Once it's fixed, then the collections feature will have been designed to handle tons (or tens) of collections.
However, the Collections feature is deliberately designed not to handle tens of collections; this particular thing is a bug, yes, but other UI inconveniences for many (let's say more than 20 or so) Collections are deliberate; it's a subtle nudge to suggest that, if you have that many Collections, you may be better off using tags for that purpose. Tags are social and benefit others as well -- if you use "US history" as a tag, it helps others find that book as a history; if you use it as a collection name instead, it only affects things within your own catalog. So Tim wanted to make sure that Collections didn't cannibalize tags, and deliberate UI infelicities were one way of doing so.
8: I use collections for subject categories because LT doesn't have hierarchical tags, but I add the collection names as tags also.
8: Fair enough. I'm not expecting full support for tens of collections, though it'd be nice to see this particular bug fixed.
However there is, I believe, a compelling argument to be made for extending support to large numbers of collections. In my case, collections are used to represent individual shelves in my physical library. This allows for my LibraryThing account to be used not only as a virtual representation of my actual library, but also as a sort of card catalog to aid in locating physical books. This organization need not be social; it is useful only to my library and will benefit no one else. For this purpose, the concept of collections is suited perfectly, unlike the concept of tags. These "deliberate UI infelicities," while I'm sure not designed in to hamper this particular legitimate (right?) use of collections, nevertheless get in the way.
It's not an easy design decision to make, and one I cannot suggest a solution to from where I'm sitting, but there might be more elegant answers to this problem than purposely hamstringing the user experience. That, and I also have a philosophical objections to "deliberate UI infelicities" in general. :)
This is a bug. It's not us "purposely hamstringing the user experience." Nor is it "deliberate."
Well, I did say that this particular issue was a bug. I am perhaps misremembering discussions from the early days of Collections, but at the time I thought Tim had said that he didn't want people to start using collections rather than tags for everything, and so he wasn't going to make it easy to manage hundreds and hundreds of collections. But it was a while ago and I'm probably misremembering.
I'm seeing this too in Iceweasel (AKA Firefox) 10.0.4 on Debian Linux. Editing collections on the Books page is just fine, though I didn't realize you could do that before.
May I ask where this stands? I can't move any of my collections (at all) in any browser I've tried (IE, Chrome, Firefox,) regardless of how many (0+) extensions are enabled.
The one exception is that if I click and attempt to drag something from the very top position (and only that position) it moves that collection an arbitrarily large (75% or more) distance down the list. And that only works on the books page.
Today I made a new collection and, when trying to move it, was reminded why I had never gone through with it before in the past year or thereabouts. However, I was pleasantly surprised to find that it seemed to work exactly as it should in Firefox (16.0.2). I hope this may be of help to others waiting for this bug to be fixed.
18> You inspired me to check, but it's not working for me on the homepage still. It's not going haywire anymore, and I can drag the boxes around, but they won't actually move.
(Also FF 16.0.2)
Oh, yeah. I've never had trouble with doing it on the catalogue page, but ever since it was introduced, I've been unable to do it from the homepage (which I used to use a lot more heavily than I do now).
Huh. When I try it on the homepage, I can pick up a collection and move it - and as soon as I let go, it drops four or five spaces down from where I was trying to put it. Which means I couldn't put any collection within 4-5 spaces of the top, except by moving all the top ones down...
Works fine in Your Books - goes where I drop it. This is where I normally edit collections, on the rare occasions when I need to rearrange them - so I'd never noticed this bug before.
On a book page (Main page), it does the same thing except it's 7-8 instead of 4-5 spaces (this may be the "never more than halfway up" of the OP).
I can't rearrange my collections in Firefox 17.0.1. I click and drag the one I want to displace, I put it on the right place and when I release the mouse button the collection go anywhere but never where I want to see it.
Works fine in Chrome.
On which page? Do you see any difference, as I do (now I'm using FF17.0.1, but it works exactly the same way as it does in Msg 22). For me it works in the catalog, fails on the homepage and fails worse on a book page.
Today it doesn't work on the home page but works fine on a book page (either the main page and the "edit" page) and in the catalog. Yesterday it was a mess on the books pages (main and "edit").
I can't add a collection on Windows 8/IE10. When I add a collection, I can drag it, but it will *never* save. Why not? Do I have too many collections? Is there a limit to the number of collections I may have, or is this a bug? I also tried this on FF19.0.2/IE10, but it didn't save there either. :(
There isn't a limit to the number of collections. It's probably (I haven't looked at it yet) a legitimate bug introduced with IE10. I'll have to investigate.
What is happening with this? I still cannot operate collection manager either in Firefox or in IE. Any changes I try to make do not save. :(
I'll be checking on this as soon as we roll out a major site change in the next week. Unfortunately, my bandwidth is tied up until that time.
Oooooh! I'm looking forward to the site change. That, of course, takes priority.
Something else. The revamped home page may come out before the major site change though. Tim is working on the home page while I'm working on the other site change.
Re-opened as there were some improvements, but not all of the problems with "edit collections" were fixed. The re-ordering of collections is still not working. :(
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Category: Catalog Enhancements
Assigned to conceptDawg
Reported by dmitriyk
Jun 15, 10:51am
189 days since last change
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