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DLE The Prince and the Pauper by Twain

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1Wootle
Edited: May 26, 3:26pm Top

Easton press tries to recreate the first edition from 1882. It has 192 illustrations. The marbled endpapers are very nice, as is the clamshell case. The only problem I have with it is the covers have no indentations, as the first edition has a lot. Limited to 400 copies at $285.00 Size of book is 9.5" x 7" x 1.5". The clamshell is: 10.25" x 7.5" x 2.25". Photos have been moved to the album. Click on the pic.



2Quicksilver66
Nov 17, 2011, 12:09pm Top

Gorgeous endpapers.

3astropi
Nov 17, 2011, 1:03pm Top

2: the book is gorgeous all around! It may not be as overwhelming as the Kelmscott, or Crusades, but it's quickly becoming one of my favorites!

4Quicksilver66
Nov 17, 2011, 2:22pm Top

It does look a nice edition. How large is it? It looks quite compact but it’s always difficult to judge from a photograph.

5UK_History_Fan
Edited: Nov 17, 2011, 2:44pm Top

> 5
David, it is about the standard size for a 100 Greatest book (and not the oversize shelf ones like Essays of Francis Bacon!). With the clamshell box, which indeed is impressive (in some ways more impressive than the book which is a bit underwhelming), it sits quite a bit bigger on the shelf (about 1/3 bigger).

At work now, but can try to measure it at home tonight if I remember.

6Quicksilver66
Edited: Nov 17, 2011, 4:01pm Top

> 5

It’s ok Sean, just curious. It’s not one I am going to order. Whilst it looks a nice volume, it just does not “knock me over” enough to want to buy it.

7EastonQuality
Nov 17, 2011, 4:39pm Top

It is a beautiful volume, the one question I would have is if ordered what are the odds of one damaged? With a few who mentioned damage or wrinkles, would it be worth the chance?

Prince & the Pauper EP looks better than the original, if only Easton Press found blank archival pages signed by Mark Twain..

8astropi
Nov 17, 2011, 5:26pm Top

I would suggest purchasing an original, if you could get one in fine condition and at a reasonable price. Of course, that will never happen, in which case the EP DLE is a wonderful substitute. Is it underwhelming? Well, I guess that depends on what you expect. If you expect every book to be huge like Crusades or Ovid, then yes. However, this edition actually exceeded my expectations and it's also such a classic story that truly deserves the fine press treatment! Nice job, EP.

9hamletscamaro
Nov 17, 2011, 11:26pm Top

I can see why everyone is complaining about EP DLEquality. That first photo looks horrible! The book looks all beat up, corners are dinged, guilt is coming off, it looks discolored. I would return that for sure. Apparently the clam shell offered no protection.

And yes, I am joking.

10lekduith
Edited: Nov 18, 2011, 1:44am Top

Got my copy today...in perfect condition. It's boxed in an inner box for added protection. The endpapers are absolutely beautiful!

11acidneutral
Nov 18, 2011, 8:26am Top

This looks to be quite a beautiful edition. I don't know that I am a fine edition expert, but this certainly looks like beautiful quality to me. Here's the odd thing. I am not particularly fond of clam shells. I would much rather have the book on the shelf where I can see its spine as opposed to stuck in a box on my shelf. This is more of a personal taste. I would be inclined to take it out of the clam shell and put the book on the shelf. But what would I do with the clam shell box? Obviously, I won't be ordering this. Too many dilemmas!

12Quicksilver66
Edited: Nov 18, 2011, 8:53am Top

> 11

I have that issue with some of my FS LE's. They look far more beautiful out of their clam shells and slipcases. Why create a beautiful book and then hide it in a plain box or slipcase? But where to store the empty boxes ?

13boddhidharma
Nov 18, 2011, 12:26pm Top

>1 Wootle:
Thanks for the pics! I haven't opened mine yet. It's a bummer about the indentations not being recreated. as expensive as these are I'd rather pay another $75 to $100 to do it right.

14menteith
Edited: Nov 18, 2011, 12:57pm Top

>10 lekduith:

Oh yes...SO much better than the standard silk in my opinion. Those endpapers are great!

>11 acidneutral:,12

I like at least a slipcase. It protects the book but also adds a touch of distinction and still allows you to view the spine. Clamshells are a pain in one sense, but they definitely underline the fact that you are handling a very special volume.

15astropi
Nov 18, 2011, 2:14pm Top

Clamshells take up more room, which can be annoying, but the clamshell in this case is so cute and well done, that it looks great on the shelf! Now, the question beomces, what's a good name for a clamshell?

16wailofatail
Nov 18, 2011, 2:35pm Top

15> Shelley?

17astropi
Nov 18, 2011, 2:53pm Top

16: perhaps, certainly not a bad name. I'm worried the clamshell might get a complex being compared to say Percey Shelley, or Mary Shelley. It might end up calling itself Boris or Karloff, and that won't do...

18wailofatail
Nov 18, 2011, 4:39pm Top

Then call it Boris or Karloff and perhaps it will get a different complex and call itself Shelley. Reverse psychology often works on clamshells.

19astropi
Nov 19, 2011, 3:18pm Top

18: never thought of that... :)

20lekduith
Nov 19, 2011, 8:23pm Top

I love the clamshells. Where to store clamshells? How about a closet.

21ironjaw
Nov 20, 2011, 6:40am Top

I prefer clamshells

22UK_History_Fan
Nov 25, 2011, 12:30pm Top

I have decided to request a replacement copy for my DLE The Prince and the Pauper. In taking advantage of the long holiday weekend, I was able to examine my copy again in broad daylight and I find it too flawed to keep. In addition to the "crinkling" in the first portion of the book, there is a small pin-hole in the back board as well as a distracting dent on the same board. In addition, there is a noticeable lean to the book (bends to the right toward the top) which did not get adequately captured in the picture. I will attempt to post some pics, but I have had only limited success with that!

Here is the wrinkled limitation page:



Here are two "inner" pages:





Here is the pinhole on the back board:



Here is the ding to the board ends (also less than perfect corners!):





Which is really a shame because the marbling is gorgeous:



And the cover is nice, though I agree with others that it should have been indented more in alignment with the original first edition:



23wailofatail
Nov 25, 2011, 1:19pm Top

>22 UK_History_Fan:: I don't blame you. That is not pretty.

24UK_History_Fan
Nov 25, 2011, 2:05pm Top

Ah, thank you wail, I was starting to wonder if I was in fact being too picky. It is nice to be reinforced/vindicated.

25koszakedv
Nov 25, 2011, 2:11pm Top

22>

That's really bad, especially the wrinkled papers.
I got my copy a few days ago, luckily no problems with it. It's number 380 of 400 so maybe there are not many copies left.

26Goran
Nov 25, 2011, 3:31pm Top

>22 UK_History_Fan:

Unbelievable. I could probably ignore the pin hole (I probably wouldn't even have seen it), but the wrinkled paper is just crazy. I was always under the impression making sure the paper is flat before binding is a basic tenent in binding. What the hell?

27astropi
Nov 25, 2011, 4:22pm Top

I would not have noticed the pinhole myself, but I would certainly exchange it based on those wrinkles. Hopefully the next copy will be "perfect"!

28EastonQuality
Nov 25, 2011, 6:25pm Top

Ripples in a book normally are due to humid or cold temperatures, as a new book that is disappointing. How this book slipped through is a good question.

29UK_History_Fan
Nov 25, 2011, 7:15pm Top

Interesting feedback. I am actually more upset by the dent in the board edge which to me is the most distracting flaw as I can see it every time I read or handle the book. It just makes it feel used and abused when it is in fact brand new. Granted the rippled pages is the most serious flaw, but the dent is the most distracting. The pin hole is bothersome only in combination with the other issues, not sure I would replace my copy if that were the only issue. Nonetheless at these prices it is not unfair to expect, indeed demand, perfection or as close as possible to it.

I just can't help feeling that EP is just another soulless corporation caring far more about its bottom line than its customer satisfaction, naively not realizing the integral relationship between the two.

30EastonQuality
Nov 25, 2011, 8:41pm Top

Perhaps it was in the first couple dozen printed, tears, ripples and indents on the leather. I can't imagine it happens with many.

I would too say it is unacceptable for a new 'used' copy

31indigosky
Nov 26, 2011, 1:53am Top

22: I don't blame you for returning it. Those flaws are unacceptable. My copy was perfection, so hopefully you will get a good one next time.

32Quicksilver66
Nov 27, 2011, 5:39am Top

I agree Sean. Those defects are major in my view. The crinkling is obvious. The dent and pinhole are also serious defects. You are right to return it.

33astropi
Nov 30, 2011, 1:40am Top

I'm just wishing Happy Birthday to Mark Twain :)

34UK_History_Fan
Dec 13, 2011, 12:36am Top

> 22
Great news! My replacement P & P arrived and it was perfect!!! Not just acceptable if you ignore the most minor flaws (which is how a lot of DLEs turn out), but dare I say flaw-less. Since I am one of the most vocal in criticizing the general EP decline in quality and consistency, I must give credit where due and say this copy of this title they did do right!

35Osbaldistone
Dec 14, 2011, 10:35pm Top

Don't know if it's still available, but Folio Society issued a P&P 1st Edition recreation in cloth, rather than leather. See http://www.librarything.com/work/2261/details/29972944.

Os.

36Quicksilver66
Dec 15, 2011, 5:45am Top

> 34

That's great news - I am pleased you have got a decent copy, Sean.

37swamp_fox
Mar 7, 2012, 9:17pm Top

The thing that impresses me about Twain is that, more than 100 years after his books were written, he can still make readers laugh.
My favorite is the Diary of Adam and Eve. Funny stuff. ........of interest to this post: I did purchase the Tom Sawyer FE. Enjoyed the Rockwell illustrations very much. I did pull the trigger on the LE Prince. But I tossed the clam shell case it came with.

38wailofatail
Mar 7, 2012, 9:42pm Top

>37 swamp_fox:: What?!? Did you say you tossed the clam shell case it came with?

39Wootle
Mar 7, 2012, 10:03pm Top

37- I could understand maybe, not keeping the one for 20K, since it is undecorated, but, the Pauper case looks decent.

40indigosky
Mar 8, 2012, 7:06pm Top

37: *gasp*

41swamp_fox
Mar 8, 2012, 7:36pm Top

Ha. Yes. I don't know. The case does not add anything for me. These EP books are not an investment for me. I bought this edition to read, as close a copy as is possible, what the first readers back in 1880s experienced. I will say this about books, especially well made books: I worry about the longevity of digital media. The genius in engineering about a book is you can put it on the shelf and take it down hundreds of years later and it still works. Will we be able to do that with any e-reader? That is why I like a physical book on a bookshelf (this coming from a computer science major).

42wailofatail
Mar 8, 2012, 7:41pm Top

>41 swamp_fox:: Not only digital but mechanical. Find me an 8-track tape player these days ... and turntables are not so prevalent either. Soon enough I won't be able to replace my CD player. I'm done buying music, which is just as well since E/P has all of my money.

43AnnieMod
Mar 8, 2012, 7:41pm Top

>41 swamp_fox:

As long as the book is printed on good paper - some almost disintegrate after a lot less than a century :) But even then - more likely to survive than an e-reader I have today to work in 10 years...

Does not stop me from reading on the Kindle -- usually what previously would have been a MMP :)

44Osbaldistone
Mar 9, 2012, 12:47pm Top

It's been reported that the Library of Congress began tranferring it's audio recordings onto 78 rpm records because they can be recovered by purely mechanical means if needed. The reasoning is that they couldn't find an efficient and reliable way to ensure that their materials would be accessible in the future due to rapid technology obsolescence. With a simple mechanical platten, a needle, and a horn (megaphone), recordings on platters using modern materials should be just as playable in 200 years as the are now.

Unfortunately, it's not true, as Snopes.com reports here. The story is somewhat believable because of the problems mentioned in this thread. Some kind of solution for verbal, musical, and other sound and visual archive longevity is needed.
Os.

45Carl64
Apr 18, 2012, 9:12pm Top

Received my Deluxe edition of The Prince and the Pauper and is as perfect as you can get in quality and reproduction of a great classic way to go Easton Press!

46Wootle
Oct 26, 2017, 6:44pm Top

Updated pictures in first post. Finally getting around to getting my pics back from Photobucket and putting them on imgur. A few more threads need updated and then some new pics of more recent books will be added.

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