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THE DEEP ONES: Spring 2012 Discussion Schedule

The Weird Tradition

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1paradoxosalpha
Edited: Mar 25, 2012, 7:22pm Top

4-Apr "O, Whistle and I'll Come to You, My Lad" by M.R. James (1904)
11-Apr "The Jolly Corner" by Henry James (1908)
18-Apr "The Colour Out of Space" by H.P. Lovecraft (1927)
25-Apr "Supernatural Horror in Literature" by H.P. Lovecraft (1927)
5-Feb "The Dweller in the Gulf" by Clark Ashton Smith (1933)
9-May "Black God's Kiss" by C.L. Moore (1934)
16-May "The Shambler from the Stars" by Robert Bloch (1935)
23-May "Pigeons from Hell" by Robert E. Howard (1938)
30-May "The Black Gondolier" by Fritz Leiber (1964)
6-Jun "Cold Print" by Ramsey Campbell (1969)
13-Jun "The Night Music of Oakdeene" by Joseph S. Pulver, Sr. (1998)
20-Jun "A Colder War" by Charles Stross (2000)
27-Jun "Details" by China Mieville (2002)

* I know that this one is on the long side, and may take a little longer to get through -- but not being a story, "spoilers" are not an issue, and the thread will hang on for as long as it takes people to get through the reading and make their contributions. I didn't want to take two weeks out of the schedule for something that isn't even a piece of weird fiction.

The highest vote-getters were "The Colour Out of Space" and "Cold Print." The ones that just squeaked in were "The Jolly Corner" and "Details."

The more I reflected on it, the better the idea to work chronologically by OPD seemed. It's usually the more recent stories that are harder to acquire, for one thing. But we'll also develop a view of the through-line of the weird "tradition" this way.

As usual, this thread is a good place to post advance info on where to acquire individual stories, in print or online.

ETA: It's election day in Illinois, so this afternoon, I'll go vote on less entertaining things.

EATA: MAJOR CORRECTION -- Inserted the M.R. James at the very beginning of the schedule.

2KentonSem
Edited: Mar 20, 2012, 9:30am Top

Nicely done, paradoxosalpha. I like the idea of reading them in pub date order. I also agree about SHiL. Like some other threads, if it wants to stay active, it will. I like seeing some new names on the list too - this looks like a fantastic lineup!

But wait - no M.R. James!?! For shame...

3artturnerjr
Mar 20, 2012, 8:23pm Top

>1 paradoxosalpha: & 2

Many thanks, PA. Agreed with Kenton that the reading the pieces in publication order is a great idea (and I've already learned something before the discussions have even begun - namely, that Robert E. Howard's "Pigeons From Hell" was published posthumously). Also fine with having Supernatural Horror in Literature set up for 1 week; what I will probably do is start it this week & knock off a couple of chapters a week until the discussion date. Noted that we have stories by four(!) living authors in one season - surely a record for us.

4artturnerjr
Mar 22, 2012, 5:09pm Top

Contacted Joe Pulver via Facebook to let him know we are discussing one of his stories this spring. He replies, "Thanks, Art. Hope you all enjoy it. BEST!!! Joe"

5artturnerjr
Edited: May 21, 2012, 8:51pm Top

Online versions of the pieces we'll be reading:

"'Oh, Whistle and I'll Come to You, My Lad'" by M.R. James
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/%27Oh,_Whistle,_and_I%27ll_Come_to_You_My_Lad%27
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/8486
(2nd link is to Ghost Stories of an Antiquary, which includes "'Oh, Whistle'" and 14 other James tales)

"The Jolly Corner" by Henry James:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1190
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Jolly_Corner

"The Colour Out of Space" by H.P. Lovecraft:
http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cs.asp
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Colour_Out_of_Space

Supernatural Horror in Literature by Lovecraft:
I'd like to bring to everyone's attention two really excellent versions of this essay online. The first is at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Supernatural_Horror_in_Literature - it has hyperlinks to the Wikipedia arcticles for most of the authors and works discussed in SHiL. The second and even cooler one is at http://www.donaldcorrell.com/road/hpl/superhor.html - on this site they have posted not just the entire text of SHiL, but they have links to the full texts of almost every work mentioned in the essay, in addition to links to author pages where you can finds links to the texts of works by that author cited in SHiL, in addition to links to texts of works by the author not mentioned in the essay. I encourage all of you to at least visit those versions and play around with them - they're really a lot of fun

"The Dweller in the Gulf" by Clark Ashton Smith:
http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/55/the-dweller-in-the-gulf

"Black God's Kiss" by C.L. Moore:
Not found online. Pointers, anyone?

"The Shambler from the Stars" by Robert Bloch:
Not found online.

"Pigeons from Hell" by Robert E. Howard:
http://wikilivres.info/wiki/Pigeons_from_Hell
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600721.txt

"The Black Gondolier" by Fritz Leiber:
http://books.google.com/books?id=TPMhcHm3SKwC&lpg=PP1&pg=PT9#v=onepage&a...

"Cold Print" by Ramsey Campbell:
Not found online.

"The Night Music of Oakdeene" by Joseph S. Pulver, Sr.:
http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS12/ns12fic06.htm

"A Colder War" by Charles Stross:
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm

"Details" by China Mieville:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q7LK8lP_sTUC&lpg=PP1&dq=the%20children%...

ETA: Please see post #22

6KentonSem
Mar 23, 2012, 5:28pm Top

> 5

Nice work, Art.

I'll post this week's DEEP ONES discussion tonight, along with a LT-related anecdote about my trip to D.C. this week.

7artturnerjr
Mar 23, 2012, 11:16pm Top

>6 KentonSem:

Thanks, Kenton. I enjoy doing online research, especially when it involves a topic as interesting as weird fiction.

8tros
Edited: Mar 24, 2012, 10:22pm Top

5 - Interesting intro to Dweller in the Gulf. I didn't realize it was such an ordeal to get it published. Too weird for Weird Tales!

9paradoxosalpha
Mar 25, 2012, 7:23pm Top

IMPORTANT UPDATE/REVISION

We do have some M.R. James after all. I realized belatedly that the schedule should run through the end of June, not just the Solstice, so James (one story, at least) sneaks in!

10KentonSem
Mar 25, 2012, 7:37pm Top

>9 paradoxosalpha:

Woo-hoo! An excellent story to kick off Spring discussions, too.

11artturnerjr
Mar 25, 2012, 10:06pm Top

>9 paradoxosalpha:

Cool. I'll add it to the list of links in #5. 8)

12paradoxosalpha
Mar 26, 2012, 1:32pm Top

> 5

I don't know about an online version of "Black God's Kiss." It is widely reprinted, though.

13artturnerjr
Edited: Mar 26, 2012, 8:24pm Top

>12 paradoxosalpha: et al.

If someone wants to PM me the first line of that story (or any of the other stories I have not found thus far), I can incorporate that into my search; usually if I have a title, an author, and a first line for a story, if it's up on the web, I can find it.

14artturnerjr
Apr 25, 2012, 5:38pm Top

Doesn't look like "The Shambler from the Stars" is in any of the anthologies in my public library, and I don't have it in my personal collection, so I guess I'm gonna have to get it via interlibrary loan (or maybe I'll finally break down and purchase a copy of Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos, which I've been meaning to do for years anyway).

15KentonSem
Apr 25, 2012, 7:07pm Top

>14 artturnerjr:

Or you could a nice used copy of Mysteries of the Worm from one of the sellers on Amazon or ABE books... :)

16paradoxosalpha
Apr 26, 2012, 6:21pm Top

Here are some first lines from stories not yet located online:

"Black God's Kiss"
They brought in Joiry's tall commander, struggling between two men-at-arms who tightly gripped the ropes which bound their captive's mailed arms.

"The Shambler from the Stars"
I am what I profess to be--a writer of weird fiction.

17artturnerjr
Apr 26, 2012, 6:32pm Top

>16 paradoxosalpha:

Thanks! I'll look for them right now. 8)

18Dengar
Apr 26, 2012, 6:34pm Top

I just read "Cold Print" by Ramsey Campbell last week and really enjoyed it. Currently reading "Lingering in the Woods" which just came out this April. It's an EmotoSingle. It's pretty exciting thus far. If you like Fantasy, I think you would enjoy it.

19artturnerjr
Apr 26, 2012, 9:37pm Top

>17 artturnerjr:

No dice. I did find the Moore story, but the only sites it was posted on appear to be of dubious legality, so I'd prefer not to pass those links along (writers (and their estates) should get paid too, y'know). I couldn't find the entire Bloch story up anywhere, legally or otherwise. Sorry, folks. :(

20paradoxosalpha
Edited: May 31, 2012, 11:18am Top

If anybody here wants to get "Black God's Kiss," I have a somewhat weathered copy of Jirel of Joiry that I'd be pleased to pass along to a fellow Deep One -- especially if we could make it a swap for some other 70s-era fantasy/SF/horror mass paperback I don't have. (I also have the Jirel stories in Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams, to keep in my library.) The copy I have available is the 1977 Ace edition that looks like this:


EATA: It went to lammassu.

21artturnerjr
Apr 28, 2012, 9:49am Top

>20 paradoxosalpha:

I have The Fantasy Hall of Fame (which includes "Black God's Kiss") on hold at the library, so I'm good. 8)

22KentonSem
Apr 29, 2012, 10:16am Top

Got a little sidetracked this weekend- look for this week's DEEP ONES discussion post a little later today!

23artturnerjr
May 21, 2012, 8:57pm Top

Please note that the Ereads link I had previously provided for Fritz Leiber's "The Black Gondolier" in #5 was not a link to the complete story but simply an excerpt from it. I therefore deleted that link and replaced it with a Google Books link where you can read the whole thing.

24paradoxosalpha
Edited: May 31, 2012, 4:33pm Top

From here on out (i.e. throughout June), we're reading authors who have never before been treated by the Deep Ones!

I'll start a nominations thread next week, so that we can finish our polling on June 20, to populate the July-September schedule.

25artturnerjr
May 31, 2012, 4:23pm Top

>24 paradoxosalpha:

I'll start a nominations thread next week, so that we can finish our polling on June 20, to populate the July-September schedule.

Sounds good. Get your nominations ready, folks!

26KentonSem
Edited: Jun 24, 2012, 9:43am Top

27KentonSem
Edited: Jun 24, 2012, 9:43am Top

Busy weekend - house selling stuff. Will post the China Mieville discussion info tonight!

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