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Jun 27, 2012, 1:26pm Top

Dear friends;

I noticed the significance / implications / consequences of this report yesterday.

English users can post LT urls anywhere without asking friends / people to click on a link twice. The relevant contant for that link is displayd (or a cached variant).

However if another subdomain is specified "/?highload=1" will ask users to sign in first. Such strategy is not known from other multilanguage sites. It would be fair to have the same behaviour for all LT languages i.e. for English and all other LT languages.

Thanks for any help in advance! Best regards Reinhardt.

P.S. I noticed this in connection to posts on Facebook using the www.librarything.de subdomain.

Jun 27, 2012, 1:30pm Top

I just wish the forced login would preserve the URL you were originally going to and forward you there after login. Plenty of sites do it; it's not exactly rocket science.

Jun 27, 2012, 2:15pm Top

By the way, but that doesn't address the principle of the matter, I noticed that if you use the "Back" button of the browser, and then try the link again, usually you suddenly don't have to log into the other language site.

Jun 27, 2012, 2:22pm Top

The behaviour should be language independend. This is the main point.

Jun 27, 2012, 2:25pm Top

Well, yes and no. Most of the users use the English site. I think it's pretty appropriate that it get more resources. If this is a way that Tim found to avoid paying for more resources for what is, overwhelmingly, an English site, I think that's fine.

Edited: Jun 27, 2012, 2:31pm Top

> 4: Right, like I said, it doesn't address the principle of the matter.

> 5: Hm, yeah, I can see your point. For me it's just a slight frustration when I have to follow some link in talk. But I do see gangleri's point too.

Jun 27, 2012, 2:46pm Top

#6 by BarkingMatt> Oh, I see his point, too. I just think he's a very atypical user. And really, what's the big downside here? You login to the site and it keeps you logged in for a year. The only real way you run into it is if you're a user who uses lots of different non-.com sites frequently, and are on a locked down machine where you can't stay logged in. So that's gangleri and... who else? :D

It's possible the highload thing isn't necessary anymore and Tim just left it in. If so, I'm all for removing it. But I'm going to start with the assumption that there's a reason for it and work towards "are enough people affected to overcome that reason?"

Jun 27, 2012, 3:58pm Top

A basic question: Does LT need new users? Should references to LT be in English only? As it is now refferences in other languages are useless. This mighte be acceptible for Danes, Dutch, Swedish, Finish and other people who are learning English as second language but not for older people (some being authors).
One year ago I received a vary angry e-mail: "How much get you paide to atract people to a paid site?" Being a registred user I did not understand where this thoughts originate. My German Wikipedian girlfriend never signed in and meeting her last month she said she would never sign in and contribute with anythink. This is one can kind of marketing. It is not up to me to comment on this. I addressed the issue ind it is up to LT to decide on it.

Edited: Jun 27, 2012, 4:30pm Top

I really don't see how making these people log into the other language sites once a year will make any kind of noticeable dent in LT's appeal to non-English users.

I'm also baffled by what you're trying to tell us with your German wikipedia girlfriend (!) example.

Jun 27, 2012, 5:09pm Top

>9 brightcopy: I realy ask myself why I contributed five years mainly in English, stupid me.

Edited: Jun 28, 2012, 12:18am Top

Ah, now I really see what you mean. It's that non-registered users - people visiting the site for a look around - can only easily gain access to the .com site, not the one in their language. (I was first just thinking about registered users who prefer other languages - sorry). Yes, that shouldn't be.

Edited: Jun 28, 2012, 12:24am Top

#11 by BarkingMatt> When phrased that way, it does seem like a much more reasonable request and more of a barrier to new signups. Thanks for bringing some clarity to the topic.

ETA: Though it's still an RSI and not a bug. Closing.

Jun 28, 2012, 8:41am Top

>12 brightcopy: Please let stuff decide if it is a bug or not. It is more like that you and I have different POV's (point of views).

Jun 28, 2012, 8:54am Top

Not a bug.

A bug is something that doesn't work as it was intended to, not something that you'd prefer to have work differently than it was intended to.

Jun 28, 2012, 9:31am Top

It's at least potentially a bug, brightcopy's conjectures aside. As I recall highload is intended to keep web crawlers from using the site when it's under high load. What that has to do with this situation is a mystery and may well be a bug.

Jun 28, 2012, 11:46am Top

Right, so maybe it isn't a bug as such - big deal. That's why I went on to post this in RSI. The real issue is that's something isn't working as one would expect. The site can improve if we solve this - isn't that the main thing?

Jun 28, 2012, 12:15pm Top

> 16

Yes, I agree. It should be in RSI, not here.

Jun 28, 2012, 12:45pm Top

Why can't it stay opened until someone who really knows determines if it's a bug or not?

Edited: Jun 28, 2012, 12:49pm Top

It can. I'm certainly not going to engage in an edit war.

Just like if someone files a bug saying "LibraryThing" should be written "Librarything", I'll close it but won't re-close it if someone reopens it. I just follow all the guidelines Tim has given us when he gave us the ability to close bugs. i.e. NONE! ;)

(Not that I fell this report is as trivial as the example.)

Jun 29, 2012, 12:41am Top

I've just been sent to the .nl site by a link, and got redirected to the highload page. It's 5:39am BST, which is middle of the night in the US. There are 120 members online.

Perhaps the real bug is either that something's causing an abnormal load on the servers, or the calculation for the /highload page is wrong?

Sep 25, 2012, 10:09am Top

Oct 12, 2012, 5:46pm Top

Thanks for the statement Tim!

What about some exceprions as:
http://ru.librarything.com/zeitgeist/language/rus, http://www.librarything.de/zeitgeist/language/ger , http://epo.librarything.com/zeitgeist/language/epo etc. ?

All links starting there can behave as implemented today.


P.S. Faulty links as http://www.librarything.de/zeitgeist/language/de (generated manually) generate "zero" statistic. Garbadge in garbadge out.

Mitglieder: 0
Katalogisierte Bücher: 0
Tags: 0
Rezensionen: 0
Gruppen: 0 (Gruppen anzeigen)
Die größten Bibliotheken
Die fleißigsten Kritiker
Neueste Mitglieder
Mit mindestens 10 Büchern

Edited: Oct 12, 2012, 5:52pm Top

If stop those pages from requiring a login, web spiders would request EVERY PAGE those pages link to. That's exactly Tim's point for preventing it.

ETA: Plus, all it would in the spider's search result is a link to the language page. I don't really see how that's a good search result that will be of interest to non-LT users.

Oct 13, 2012, 5:49am Top

>23 brightcopy: I understand both Tim's argumentation and the problem about the traffic load caused by bots / spiders.

However the textual content of http://www.librarything.es/zeitgeist/language/spa gives a much better language overview then http://www.librarything.es/?highload=1 (spiders will try to access these pages also).

The compromise could be to have some (variants of) expressive (in German "aussagekräftig" http://www.dict.cc/german-english/aussagekr%C3%A4ftig.html ) pages with minimal clickable links; i.e. "textual" information might increase the interest to register at LT.

Oct 13, 2012, 1:01pm Top

One big difference is that on http://www.librarything.es/?highload=1 there are around 100 unique links. On http://www.librarything.es/zeitgeist/language/spa there are around 300. That's 200 hits more. For EVERY language site. For EVERY spider. For EVERY time it re-crawls the site.

Plus, all of this requires that somewhere else there must be a link visible to the spider to http://www.librarything.es/zeitgeist/language/spa (and all the other language sites).

In my opinion, it all sounds not worth the trouble.

Oct 13, 2012, 1:16pm Top

>25 brightcopy: "On http://www.librarything.es/zeitgeist/language/spa there are around 300." (more)

On a textual implementation there are ~ 54 links for the LT subdomain languages and a few askiing to register. I used "textual" which means not linkified.

Oct 13, 2012, 6:22pm Top

No idea what you're trying to say...

Oct 13, 2012, 6:58pm Top

He wants a separate, plaintext version of the Zeitgeist, with no or fewer links to crawl, to be made available to spiders and non-logged-in users. I'm not sure why, but he sometimes is concerned with random google searchers ending up on arbitrary places on LT and what they will think of what they see.

Oct 13, 2012, 8:21pm Top

#28 by lorax> I'm not sure why, but he sometimes is concerned with random google searchers ending up on arbitrary places on LT and what they will think of what they see.

The thing is, that'd actually make them MORE likely to land on an arbitrary place on LT. An arbitrary place where the links didn't work!

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ID: 138996

Category: Non-English LibraryThing

Assigned to all

Reported by gangleri

Status: Closed by staff

Sep 25, 2012, 10:09am

5 years since last change

By timspalding

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Reported. gangleri (Jun 27, 2012, 1:26pm)

Closed by member. brightcopy (Jun 28, 2012, 12:24am)

Reopened. gangleri (Jun 28, 2012, 8:41am)

Closed by member. lilithcat (Jun 28, 2012, 8:54am)

Reopened. jjwilson61 (Jun 28, 2012, 12:45pm)

Closed by staff. timspalding (Sep 25, 2012, 10:09am)


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