Local time zone option for time stamps in LT Talk: Redux
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I know this has been brought up before, but it is time it was brought up again. "Bubbling" is the term that Tim uses, which sounds much better than "nagging".
Please allow us to set a time zone on our profile page and to see the message timestamps in Talk relative to that time zone.
I am aware of the many websites and browser plug-ins that allow different clocks to be seen. I am also aware that Windows 7 allows me to put more than one clock in the notifications area of the toolbar.
I just think that it is time that LT did it properly.
Feel free*, of course, to leave comments, but please also leave a vote.
*Like I could possibly stop you! ;)
Vote: Users should be able to set a time zone on their profile page and to see message timestamps in Talk relative to that time zone.
Current tally: Yes 45, No 2, Undecided 9
Yes, please. I do normally use a workaround, but somehow foxclock gave up on me recently. But anyway, a workaround shouldn't be necessary.
I'm fairly easy about it - but that's because I'm (at least till the end of US summer time) 12 hours off LT standard time, so conversion isn't extremely difficult. The 13 hours in winter is also doable.
It gets especially annoying with the "Yesterday"/"Today" bit.
I voted yes, but with reservations.
I'm in the LT "zone" so the time stamps work fine for me, but I know it'd make things easier for a lot of people. I haven't looked at previous discussions on this, (or at least can't remember looking at them), so I don't know what Tims reasoning for having not done it yet are. If it could be done without having to make changes that could mess up something else and wouldn't use up too much processing power, I think he should do it.
Yes, you're right of course. However practical it would be for myself. If it would mess things up somehow, I would be against it too.
Also I don't think it's important enough if it would require huge amounts of developer attention.
I am in LT+6, but I have to keep that timezone in mind anyway, as all my family are in the LT zone. It doesn't bother me. I do try not to add time stamps after midnight.
Well, it does bother me. Call me stupid, but I do not go around remembering which time zone "LT" is located in. In cases like this, it's usually considered polite to note which time zone the numbers refer to. No hazzle, just add a little bit of static text. In fact, LT already does that in some other corners of the site.
Also, do not automatically assume that dislplaying timestamps in local time is a huge task. It would depend on which format they're stored in. Only Tim & co can answer that.
>8 "Well, it does bother me. Call me stupid, but I do not go around remembering which time zone "LT" is located in."
Err. There is a "LT" time zone?
I live in Timezone +10 and usually ignore your USA times, but it would be nice to have what Jim said.
Holding breath, holding breath until The Games end.
Well, it's not an official "this is LT" timezone, obviously. But LT, at least as far as I know, is on EST (Eastern Standard Time, eastern meaning Eastern USA). For the rest of the world - that's mostly meaningless.
But "betting" you knew that already.
Anyway, don't hold your breath too long, unless you wish for a specifically suicidal try to make the Guiness Book of Records.
(Sorry, the Olympics lost me with the 1972 tragedy. I can't abide it - refuse to watch.)
I've added "mostly" to the previous statement - I feel just like Ford Prefect.
But LT, at least as far as I know, is on EST (Eastern Standard Time, eastern meaning Eastern USA).
Actually, at the moment, it's on EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), along with the rest of the eastern US. It won't be in EST again until November. It is always in the US Eastern Time Zone, however.
Right, thanks, but only making the potential for confusion even greater.
Heh ... having my last job be with a Second Life developer, I'm used to the world revolving around "SL Time" (which is US Pacific time), so the concept of "LT Time" is an easy one, if being several hours behind SL time!
I apologize, but I am not sure what a time stamp is. Are you talking about the times next to the messages that you post?
Yep ... it's an hour ahead of my time here in Chicago, because it defaults to Portland, ME time!
It is interesting to see people worrying about processing power of the site.
LT is one of the very few sites I have seen where people care about site so much that they are willing to use it without the features which are very common and taken for granted anywhere else :)
18> We've seen what happens when a feature is too much for the site, though! There are a lot of great ones that have had to be laid to rest because they caused crashes or slowed everything down quite noticeably. I think Tag Mirror was one, but a fix was figured out at one point.
I'm more worried about programmer time than load on the site. While I voted yes in the poll, every feature that's developed means another potential feature that wasn't developed.
I would like the site to switch to Greenwich Mean Time, Coordinated Universal Time, or the like.
So can we send everyone who will be annoyed by this* to harass you about the change? "LT time" has been defined the same way as long as I've been here -- five years this past May -- so let's not throw any wrenches into the machinery unless it fixes the problem for users outside of this time zone without breaking it for those in it.
* Many users on the U.S. east coast; users in other time zones with established workarounds that would no longer work
12> It is always in the US Eastern Time Zone
Really? My guess was the Twilight Zone.
It seems to have settled down to Ayes: 32 Nays: 2 Abstentions (aka running for the chamber door like Abbot!) 8.
Now that the dust has settled on the bubbles*, is it time for a comment from Tim? I think it is.
I invoke Tim!
*No, sorry. I'm afraid that I have no idea what that means.
How do you get the asterisks and daggers etc. to show in your HTML. Sorry I know this is an aside, but the boy wants to know! And I'm guessing you won't be voting for Tony or
even Julia? :-)
Hey, It is written into the LT TOS, that all threads are Required to Meander
I'm sorry, did someone mention my name? Why would Jim vote for me for anything. I did run for City Council last November, but was roundly defeated. Besides, I'm pretty sure Jim is not an eligible voter in my district. :-)
Guido, an asterisk (*) is simply an upper-case 8. Daggers (†‡), ellipses (…) etc can be entered by holding down the left alt key and typing a code into the numeric keypad of a full-sized keyboard. I use a laptop with a cutdown keyboard so I use the Character Map utility built into Windows.
Also, it's not called a Secret Ballot for nothing!
I can confirm that I am not a registered voter in Iowa City though. If I were, I would surely have voted for rosalita!
Thanks Jim #27 for that list. And by the way I never knew how my Late Dad voted. His opinions were very much like yours. I guess I "hang my political heart out" to be slayed.
27> Where symbols are on keyboards can vary. Drives me crazy anytime I have to use a German keyboard.
US above the numbers is:
! @ # $ % ^ & * ( )
Mine is UK:
! " £ $ % ^ & * ( )
! " § $ % & / ( ) =
Italian is similar to German. The * is to the right of P and è/é. (On the German keyboard also there, except that the key in between is Ü)
€ Wonderful! I knew my keyboard did that but didn't know how to access it. € Now I don't need Character map for €!
Every time I see a € without some numbers beside it, I wonder where the little kid with the fishing line* has gone?
(This appearance of € was brought to you by Mr Copy and Ms Paste of Cut, Copy and Paste. Acknowledgement is made, and thanks are given, to the first character in the last line of post #29)
*Before I typed this post and did a Google image search with a view to including a small Dreamworks logo, I would have bet my leftie that the "crescent moon with the fishing boy" logo faced the same way as as a 'C' or a Euro symbol. It doesn't! Heartbroken.
Rather than trying to remember all the various short cuts (or HTML codes) for the special characters, I keep a .txt file with several dozen of them on my desktop, so if I want to write "90°" or "Copyright © 2012" or "2½" ... they're just a couple of clicks away.
32> I started doing the same thing, particularly after I began noticing really cute emoji like ♡(✿ˇ◡ˇ)人(◡ ‿ ◡ ✿)♡ and (づ ´・‿-)づ。。・゜゜・。。・゜❤
(omg so cuuuuuuute) I don't think I hardly use them, but when I do want to, it's annoying to have to experiment to get the pattern correct, and now other things that I want to have easy access to live there, too. Like £ and ≠... but I've got a fancy keyboard on my laptop that despite being American and QWERTY includes € and $ above the right and left arrows. (I wish that the $ above the 4 got assigned something new, since it's duplicated now, alas.)
24# if dusty bubbles won't do, mixing deformable particles into 31# wine
may do the trick; must have Venusian and Martian time to start with and
remain until then, *hicup*
The invocation at #24, a modified Rite of AshkEnte, having failed...
"Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble..."
I'd hoped to avoid finding Tim by this method, what with the price of fenny snake fillets, and all.
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