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1LucindaLibri
Aug 16, 2012, 5:45pm Top

I just moved several ISBNs from the ISBN field to the Comments field using cut and paste.
But now they've disappeared altogether.
Pretty sure I also "saved" in every case.

Two I was able to re-enter (because I still have the books). At least one other is now lost altogether.

I was editing in the grid/list view of my catalog (rather than within the individual book edit pages).
Has anyone else had problems losing data when editing this way?

Rather annoyed.

Thanks.

2brightcopy
Aug 16, 2012, 10:05pm Top

Can you give an example of one or more of your books where the data was lost? That might help track it down. It's probably a lot harder to figure out from the ones you re-entered.

3LucindaLibri
Aug 16, 2012, 11:24pm Top

I'm more interested in the general problem. I've fixed what can be fixed. At least one of the others is listed as having 21 possible ISBNs. I went to GoodReads (which seems to be better at showing specific editions with associated ISBNs) and picked what seems most likely, but added a question mark.

What I want to know is why copy and paste into the grid boxes might not "take".

Also, if I did happen to forget to click on "save" . . . does anything pop up to ask me if I'm sure I want to leave a page without saving? I thought it used to do that, but maybe not from the grid.

In future, I just won't edit on the grid.

4jbd1
Aug 17, 2012, 6:34am Top

>3 LucindaLibri: - If you don't click save edits on the "Your books" page, the edits won't save - on that page there's not, at this point, a warning message if you have unsaved windows open. I've forgotten to save more than a few times, so I feel your pain! If you do have specific books we can look at, let me know and I'll see what I can do, but I haven't run into cases where saved edits don't take ... if someone finds a specific example we can work with though, please let me know!

5jjmcgaffey
Edited: Aug 17, 2012, 9:28pm Top

I'm remembering a bug where specifically ISBNs weren't taking. I'll try to track it down.

Can't find it. I thought I'd posted to the thread, but it's not in Your Posts nor 5-6 pages back in Bug Collectors - at least, nothing with ISBN in the title. Of course, this thread doesn't have ISBN in the title, so...

6brightcopy
Aug 17, 2012, 10:47pm Top

#5 by jjmcgaffey> You might be thinking of the one I posted where ISBNs don't save when all you change is adding/removing a 0 from the beginning.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/138822

7LucindaLibri
Aug 18, 2012, 12:59am Top

This was in the grid view (is that "your books"?) . . . so it must have been user error. :(
Wish there was some warning, but at least I've learned not to edit there. (I tend to be pretty good about remembering to click "save" when I'm in the individual book edit pages.)

Thanks for the info.

Re ISBNs . . . on the same day as the above, I learned that when exporting LT data and importing into excel I need to designate any fields I've moved ISBNs to as "text" fields so that those leading 00s don't disappear (and so the 978-ISBNs don't get turned into scientific notation).

So, apparently it's been my week to learn things :)

Thanks everyone!

BTW, the only ISBN question mark I'm sure of (from the above day) is for the 2006 Harper Perennial edition of Louise Erdrich's The Beet Queen . . . I went with 0060835273, but that was a guess. If there's any way to trace what I had entered (in the ISBN field) BEFORE August 16th (when I moved it and it disappeared) . . . that would be great! Otherwise, I'll just live with 0060835273. It won't be the first or last question mark in my data :)

8jjmcgaffey
Aug 18, 2012, 1:12am Top

Yes. I swear there was a bug about copying ISBNs in Your Books! Grrr. I'm going to have to hunt harder. But I _did_ post to it, I'm 98% sure, so that helps.

9jjmcgaffey
Aug 18, 2012, 1:38am Top

Found it! Also brightcopy's, but much older - and marked as Fixed...hmmm.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/135965

cD says it's fixed (the data-loss bug) in Msg 7. And trying the same thing doesn't reproduce - I can double-click ISBN, click Save, and it doesn't blank. So I guess this was a red herring.

I do get the lost data if I switch screens - change views, or whatever - without clicking Save. I don't know (can't get it to do it right now) if it would be lost if I changed views while the Saving... thing was up - that is, if I clicked Save but LT was being slow. Usually it's pretty good about that, but I've lost data a few times (never important stuff, though - changing title case or adding tags, minor things).

I'm a little puzzled as to why you don't want your ISBNs in the ISBN field (why you were moving them out in the first place) - it's likely to cause you combination problems, if you leave it blank. But only puzzled - it's certainly your choice.

10LucindaLibri
Aug 19, 2012, 4:58pm Top

>9 jjmcgaffey: It's the only way to eliminate links from my catalog to Amazon-com
When I refer friends to my catalog, I don't want to be encouraging them to buy their books there. I'm a strong supporter of local independent book stores. (The oldest feminist bookstore in North America used to be Amazon Bookstore Cooperative here in Minneapolis . . . they even went to court over the name problem . . . unfortunately, after almost 40 years of operation, they went out of business several months ago :( . . . )

I also hate how inaccurate much of the data on Amazon-com is.

And I'm still angry that at one point I had to redo much of my catalog due to the Amazon connections. I learned, after the fact, that whenever I had chosen an Amazon cover, my ISBNs had been changed (see earlier comment on inaccuracies at Amazon for why this is bad practice). I still have books I need to double-check to get the original ISBNs back. Others will always have question marks associated with them because I have no way of checking them.

BTW, initially I do enter the ISBN in the ISBN field to hook up my books with other copies with that ISBN. Then once that connection is made. I edit the data to make sure it reflects the edition I have and move the ISBN to avoid "accidental" changes.

I'm much more interested in keeping my own data accurate than in connections and combinations (which seem to introduce their own sets of inaccuracies and confusions).

I'm going to mark this as closed and chalk it up to user error . . .

11prosfilaes
Aug 19, 2012, 7:30pm Top

#10: I don't believe it does anything; I went to Four Souls in your catalog, and Amazon (direct) was still the first link at the top of the page on the right.

12brightcopy
Aug 20, 2012, 10:37am Top

#10 by LucindaLibri> I understand your reasoning, but as prosfilaes points out your solution really doesn't do anything. LibraryThing links to amazon using the WORK ISBN, not your BOOK ISBN. So even if you blank yours out, the amazon links work just fine.

Amazon is given such a prominent place because their dastardly API requires it. Tim has expressed quite a bit of loathing towards that. He doesn't really like amazon and is very concerned about the independents. But he made the choice because there's such a demand for amazon linkage here (book information, covers, etc.) Many times, the only choice is to either use amazon as a data source or manually enter the book. While manual entry is fine for plenty of people, the vast majority of users won't do that.

I wouldn't be surprised at some point Tim figures out some way to ditch them once he gets enough non-amazon data together. One thing that will help is if you can use LT as the source for data for a book. That way all it takes is one person who wants to enter it manually (and upload a cover) for a book and everyone else can just re-use that.

13LucindaLibri
Aug 20, 2012, 10:11pm Top

It's the link from the covers that I'm removing. Obviously every page has a link to Amazon over on the side. I'm just removing the individual links from the individual book covers. So if someone is looking at my catalog and clicks on the book cover they shouldn't get sent to Amazon.

At least it worked when I started all this . . . and I no longer see those links from the covers when I click on them . . . (and it all started because of the covers connections).

If I could remove all connections to Amazon, I would. But that is far beyond my powers.

14MarthaJeanne
Edited: Aug 21, 2012, 4:17am Top

Clicking on my book covers does not open a link to Amazon.

But then, I don't use Amazon covers. No, changed to an Amazon cover on that book. Still no link to Amazon that I see from the book page.

Catalogue check: See it both ways.

15Collectorator
Aug 21, 2012, 9:30am Top

I remove the ISBN from its slot and place it into tags. That's why I have annoying tags. Not too many, though, because I really don't like to own books that have ISBNs. Someday I will purge them all.

16BarkingMatt
Aug 21, 2012, 9:35am Top

A clear case of : to each his/her own. Admittedly, I don't see the point, but never mind about that.

17LucindaLibri
Oct 9, 2012, 11:57pm Top

Just happened again . . . this time all my tags disappeared. Editing from list view to remove one tag. Definitely hit save . . . but it kept saying "saving . . ." and when it stopped the whole field was empty.

Very annoying!

The book was a recent addition, so I don't have an exported backup.
http://www.librarything.com/work/book/89658180

Okay, so now when I go to the edit book page, everything is there (minus the tag I was removing) . . . still, that was rather nerve-wracking . . .
Definitely a bug of some sort . . .

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Bug (edit)

ID: 141017

Category: Your books (catalog)

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Reported by LucindaLibri

Status: Closed by member

Aug 19, 2012, 4:58pm

2 years since last change

By LucindaLibri

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Reported. LucindaLibri (Aug 16, 2012, 5:45pm)

Closed by member. LucindaLibri (Aug 19, 2012, 4:58pm)

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