Storyteller series: The Druid's Son: part 4

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Storyteller series: The Druid's Son: part 4

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1gwernin
Oct 8, 2012, 10:41am

New thread. Previous posts can be found here.

2gwernin
Oct 8, 2012, 10:48am

My author chat about The Druid's Son is live here now.

3gwernin
Oct 8, 2012, 3:04pm

Posting again on this thread to sort it above the older one.

Musing on the chat thread discussion, I've had some more thoughts about time and continuity of cultures, but I'll wait until someone else posts on that thread.

4gwernin
Oct 8, 2012, 4:25pm

test - having trouble posting on the other thread

5TimSharrock
Oct 8, 2012, 5:11pm

well that test suceeded here - more than my search for welshcakes in the freezer :)

6gwernin
Oct 9, 2012, 2:07am

Tim, Dan, and anyone else who has bought the e-book at Smashwords: Apologies, but I have just found and corrected some formatting problems (lack of italics where there should have been some). You should probably download the new version to replace the one you have, which you should be able to do at no additional cost.

7TimSharrock
Oct 9, 2012, 3:33am

6> thanks, will do

8gwernin
Oct 12, 2012, 11:24pm

For those who want a hard copy and don't want to wait for amazon distribution, The Druid's Son is available now on Lulu in what should be the final revision.

9dchaikin
Oct 15, 2012, 12:30pm

#3....time and continuity of cultures...should I ask you elaborate here or there? Very curious.

10TimSharrock
Oct 19, 2012, 1:02pm

The Author chat seems to be going well - into the top five, in terms of number of posts :)

11gwernin
Oct 19, 2012, 1:37pm

Yes, this is good! ;-) Thanks, everyone, for the participation!

Regarding Dan's question in #9: Not sure if I can remember what I was thinking about in that regard... probably the other thread right now.

12gwernin
Edited: Oct 19, 2012, 2:07pm

As a side comment, I have finalized the print version of The Druid's Son on Lulu and started the process which will eventually get it to Amazon and the other on-line retailers, and also make it available for local bookstores to special-order. I'm also experimenting with producing a case-wrapped hardcover version, which would probably retail for around $25. I think that one will only be available through Lulu, but we'll see.

ETA: yes, it's only on Lulu - link here.

13elenchus
Oct 19, 2012, 1:57pm

gwernin, will you link to this chat from your Author Page? This would be a great archival resource as new readers discover your books. I'm not sure if you are limited to the links you can add there.

14gwernin
Oct 19, 2012, 2:03pm

The active threads are already linked on the right sidebar under "Current Discussions", but I can put a permanent link in the "Links" session - good idea.

... done. btw, if anyone wants to create a wikipedia page for me, feel free - I can't do it myself ;-)

15gwernin
Oct 19, 2012, 2:11pm

12>> As it's actually quite easy to set up special hard cover editions on Lulu, I think I might do it for the Storyteller books as well. I'd want to revise the map for Storyteller first, though.

16elenchus
Oct 19, 2012, 3:54pm

And at just $7 more, I think I'll be going for the hardcover.

What is a "case wrapped" hardcover: like a textbook, in that it incorporates the cover art as opposed to a cloth cover with a dustjacket?

17gwernin
Edited: Oct 19, 2012, 4:10pm

That's it. I could have set up the other kind, but was unsure how well the cover art would transfer, and case wrap is, I think, cheaper.

eta: it's also a lot cheaper since it's only on Lulu; if it was a separate project with amazon distribution it would probably be $40-45 due to the markup to SRP.

18gwernin
Oct 21, 2012, 2:51pm

Hi Dan - I love the pictures and other background material you're posting for the group read! In the case of the Menai Strait, somewhere in the lower half of the picture is a good guess as to where the Romans crossed. Togi and his friends, on the other hand, crossed at the north end of the strait, somewhere in the hazy top of the photo.

It's my feeling that the group read might go smoother if I don't comment there a lot - I'd rather see what other folks make of the book - unless there are specific questions. What do people think?

One minor quibble re your post #6 - the book starts in 61/62 AD (interpretations of the Roman records differ), the year after the invasion of Anglesey, not in 80 AD.

Looking forward to how this develops!

19dchaikin
Oct 21, 2012, 3:57pm

G - up to you as far as commenting. I will fix any errors you tell me about. Apologies for the year mix-up.

20gwernin
Oct 21, 2012, 4:23pm

19: Well, perhaps I'll comment any time there's a question directed at me? Otherwise I'll post over here.

21gwernin
Oct 21, 2012, 4:29pm

Rather off-topic: I'm currently reading Robert MacFarlane's The Old Ways: A Journey on Foot, and finding it quite interesting. Another exploration of the importance of a sense of place which also mentions Wisdom Sits in Places. So far he alternates between rather gorgeous descriptions of actual walks / footpaths and (to me less interesting) commentary on the history of long-distance recreational walking.

22elenchus
Oct 21, 2012, 9:27pm

Mmmmn: I've added MacFarlane's title to my wishlist. Looks thoughtful and wide-ranging, and incidentally a nice way to comment on your book without being overtly about the same topic. Would love if you posted any excerpts or ideas he raises that you think would be fruitful for our discussion.

(And any text mentioning Basso's book piques my interest!)

23gwernin
Oct 22, 2012, 10:15am

22: will do.

Re: group read: you might include in your invitations to join this link: http://gwerninstoryteller.blogspot.com/p/the-druids-son-sample-chapter.html
to the first chapter.

24gwernin
Oct 22, 2012, 9:44pm

some useful background information and photos here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yr_Wyddfa

25gwernin
Oct 25, 2012, 12:48pm

Hi Dan, apologies for jumping in on the group read thread - I answered a question that hadn't been asked, and should have let you handle it anyway. Not enough coffee yet ;-)

26dchaikin
Oct 25, 2012, 12:56pm

Goodness, no worries from me!

27dchaikin
Edited: Oct 25, 2012, 1:17pm

I think it's helpful for you to post. It's always a complicated to have a group read when the author is involved. And certainly it can make me uncomfortable in some kinds of circumstances. But, in this case you are already very active on LT, and what we are all doing on this site is constantly building and re-building our LT community. You are part of that. You know some of the readers, like me, and you may establish some new LT relationships. I don't think there is any reason for you to not be part of the group read.

As for "jumping in", you are welcome to stomp around as much or as little as you like. My hope is to keep the thread interesting enough that everyone is stays tuned it. If I can make it fun, or if we actually get some conversation out of it, that would be ideal...but my limited LT charisma is not so helpful there.

Anyway, it's all good, however much you get involved.

28elenchus
Oct 25, 2012, 1:24pm

Agree, gwernin: your concern about being overbearing is a healthy sign, but you haven't approached anything like an intrusion at all!

29gwernin
Oct 25, 2012, 1:32pm

Thanks, guys! I just have a feeling that conversation may flow more freely on that thread if I'm not in the middle of it, although I'll be happy to answer specific questions. That's why I'm mostly just posting on this one at the moment.

Need to get back to blogging again, too - I've been too busy the last week due to various activities, including getting ready for the winter weather which arrived last night (one inch of snow possible - hmm, where did the other two or three inches come from???).

30gwernin
Oct 25, 2012, 1:43pm

Something I stumbled across on facebook the other day which amused me: http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/the-druids-ring/

I think I posted that link on one of my threads here, but can't remember which one.

31dchaikin
Oct 25, 2012, 2:02pm

Been thinking of that as I re-read about the Togi's ring.

32gwernin
Oct 25, 2012, 9:30pm

Received and approved the distribution proof copy today - all things being equal, Druid's Son should be available as a paperback on amazon, b&n etc in 6-8 weeks.

33elenchus
Oct 25, 2012, 11:21pm

And hardbound shortly thereafter via LuLu?

34gwernin
Oct 25, 2012, 11:34pm

35gwernin
Oct 26, 2012, 3:41pm

The Druid's Son e-book, nook version, is now on Barnes & Noble as well.

36gwernin
Oct 28, 2012, 3:42pm

37gwernin
Oct 29, 2012, 1:06pm

More pictures to help things along: http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/en/2363/

38dchaikin
Oct 29, 2012, 11:40pm

That chain is freaky.

39gwernin
Edited: Oct 30, 2012, 10:49am

Another location which is important in The Druid's Son and also in The Ash Spear is Bryn Celli Ddu. And for overlap between The Druid's Son and Gwernin's next book, The Fallen Stones, Togi's view from Emain Macha:

40elenchus
Oct 30, 2012, 2:23pm

>38 dchaikin:

0.6 m between each neck ring: not a lot of room. The prisoners would have to focus so much on not falling, or not choking one another while sitting down, it would leave very little opportunity for escape.

41dchaikin
Edited: Oct 30, 2012, 2:27pm

worse than this?

42gwernin
Oct 30, 2012, 3:29pm

I've seen a picture of some archaeology students wearing one of the two from Llyn Cerrig Bach, and yes, quite a bit shorter.

43gwernin
Oct 30, 2012, 3:33pm

Ah, here it is...



44elenchus
Oct 30, 2012, 3:49pm

That picture makes the 0.6 m chain seem un-workable: are they sure it was used for adult humans? An adult is almost 0.6 m thick (from shoulder blade to breastbone), adults would be almost sandwiched together.

I realise it's not designed to be comfortable but this seems infeasible!

45TimSharrock
Oct 31, 2012, 2:24pm

44- shoulder to shoulder perhaps, but front to back!

46gwernin
Nov 2, 2012, 12:21pm

Blog update: http://www.tregwernin.com/2012/11/friday.html

While you folks are reading and discussing The Druid's Son, I'm turning my attention to the next Gwernin book: The Fallen Stones. Having written Togi's book first will change the emphasis in the next one a bit...

47dchaikin
Nov 2, 2012, 12:24pm

Looking forward to it!

48elenchus
Nov 2, 2012, 1:42pm

Awen knows no rest -- except perhaps when moving from one project to another.

49gwernin
Nov 5, 2012, 7:16pm

Wandering over to this thread now to share a couple of thoughts I've been kicking around which pertain to both The Druid's Son and The Fallen Stones - in particular the degree to which actual events can change through transmission into more magical or mythical events.

Moderate spoiler alert:

In Gwernin's next book he is going to hear about events which happen to Togi, some of them covered in The Druid's Son and some of them later. To write a sequel to The Druid's Son I'll have to figure out what the original event was which morphed into the story Gwernin will hear... and I will have to be aware while writing The Fallen Stones of the eventual (probable) need to make that reconciliation... tricky, that... ;-)

50gwernin
Nov 5, 2012, 8:48pm

51gwernin
Nov 16, 2012, 1:48pm

Posting on this thread partly to bump it up again... Once the group read finishes, discussion will shift back here. In the meantime, I've been busy tweaking The Druid's Son amazon page - tying it to my author page, offering a copy myself as Aldertree Books so that it shows up at the SRP, and most recently forwarding the necessary files to amazon for their look-inside function. Don't know how much longer it will be before the rest of the book data from Lulu appears there and they offer it for sale - usually it all loads at once when it finally does. Hope there's not a glitch... Patience is not merely a virtue for indie authors, it's a necessity!

52dchaikin
Nov 16, 2012, 2:16pm

oye, good luck.

53gwernin
Nov 16, 2012, 9:10pm

As I said on the other thread, I've enjoyed the pictures we've posted for The Druid's Son so much that I'm thinking about creating similar threads for the other books, perhaps in their own group so we can keep them together. What I need in that case is a name for the group... "Storyteller Series" doesn't quite work since The Druid's Son isn't really part of it. Suggestions?

54dchaikin
Nov 17, 2012, 9:25am

I don't do we'll at coming up with name ideas, but you might try something with Gwernin or with Wales or Welsch in it.

...or Celt.

Or Bards,

or Taliesin - since he seems to be an inspiration.

...or Awen...I guess I should stop now.

55gwernin
Nov 17, 2012, 11:02am

Well, there's always "Tre Gwernin" like my blog site... or "Aldertree Books" although that sounds too much like a straight publisher site and perhaps too spammy... the later is a pun actually because "gwernen" means alder tree.

56elenchus
Nov 17, 2012, 2:14pm

I wondered about the relevance of Aldertree! Assumed it had to do with alders being native to Colorado (and perhaps Wales?), but I'm a naif with respect to botany.

I thought something like Old or Lost Britain, or even Dark Ages Britain. "Lost Images of Dark Age Britain"? But this quickly becomes overly descriptive and loses the evocative.

57gwernin
Nov 17, 2012, 4:40pm

As I said on the other thread (keep crossing back and forth) I sort of like "Dark Ages Britain"... but on second thought, Togi's period is pre-"dark ages". Hmm...

"Roman and Dark Ages Britain" is inclusive enough, but lacks... er... something.

58gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 12:07pm

Ok... vote:

Vote: I like "Roman and Dark Ages Britain" for the new group name.

Current tally: Yes 1, No 0, Undecided 1

59gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 12:07pm

Or...

Vote: I think "Tre Gwernin" captures the idea better.

Current tally: Yes 1, No 0, Undecided 1

60gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 12:09pm

Or...

Vote: Neither one seems quite right. May we should think a little more.

Current tally: Yes 0, No 0, Undecided 1

61gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 2:45pm

I am currently leaning toward "Roman and Dark Ages Britain" because there doesn't seem to be an equivalent group on LT, and it would be nice to have threads on subjects other than just my books. Granted we already discuss a lot of related subjects on these threads, but how are people who haven't read them to know that? I'd like to see a thread on Rosemary Sutcliff's Roman Britain books, for example. Now, I could go and start one on "Historical Fiction", but then I couldn't mention how my writing relates to hers without getting flagged, or at least snarked at. Same if I wanted to start a thread discussing bog bodies on the "Archaeology" group. I also don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing for other writers working in this period to start threads in the group as long as they weren't blatantly self-promotional (in which case they could be flagged). Thoughts?

62TimSharrock
Nov 18, 2012, 3:29pm

sounds good - if the group description was carefully written it could allow authors to discuss, but not "merely promote" their works.

63gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 3:34pm

That's my thought, Tim. I'll mull it over during another bout of garden cleanup (it's a nice day here, and I keep popping in and out) and post a possible description for discussion.

64gwernin
Edited: Nov 18, 2012, 5:07pm

Still tweaking...

"For discussion of the history and archaeology of Roman and "Dark Ages" Britain, and of historical fiction set in that period. Authors are allowed to mention and discuss their own books as long as (1) the books are pertinent to or set in this period and location, and (2) the posts are not blatantly promotional. ("Drive-by authors" starting "buy-my-book" threads, for example, may expect to be flagged.) Threads concerning G. R. Grove's "Storyteller" series and its spin-offs are explicitly permitted."

65elenchus
Edited: Nov 18, 2012, 6:00pm

Very nice. Only suggestion is to change the last sentence, here's a possible revision:

"This group evolved from group discussions of G. R. Grove's "Storyteller" series and its spin-offs, with the intent of expanding upon these in particular, and generally in hopes of finding a home for threads on other similar discussions and books."

66gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 5:56pm

Much better - thanks!

67gwernin
Nov 18, 2012, 8:13pm

Here's the new group: http://www.librarything.com/groups/romananddarkagesbrit

We can always tweak the details later if we need to.

68gwernin
Nov 19, 2012, 10:45am

This thread is now continued here.