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1timspalding
Nov 5, 2012, 1:05am Top

I've added a feature to sort tag pages in a few ways:



Examples: http://www.librarything.com/tag/history , http://www.librarything.com/tag/paranormal+romance, http://www.librarything.com/tag/science+fiction , etc.

This brings back the "weighted' option _Zoe_'s been on me for. I admit, it has its uses. (The new way is faster and puts less stress on the system.) Other details follow:

Weighted. This is a delicate calculation. Basically, it's using the ratio of the tag to all tags on the work, but not exclusively. (If it were exclusive, then a book tagged "history" once would win, because 100% of its tags were "history.") Tell me if you think I'm emphasizing the ratio too much or too little.

Popular recently. I'm not going to describe the source of this data, except to say that it's partial and will be revised. The idea is there.

Published recently. This is based on the work-to-date data LibraryThing, which is not fully exposed to users and has some gaps. Baby steps.

Tim

2_Zoe_
Nov 5, 2012, 3:17am Top

Yay, thank you!

I like the addition of Published Recently as well. I think I'd be more interested in Hot Recently than Popular Recently, though. I've always found that "Hot This Month" is way more interesting than "Popular This Month", anyway.

Now I'd just like the tag pages to be a bit prettier for browsing, more like Search or Hot This Month. Basically, I'd like both covers and information to be visible at the same time.

I'm glad to see date stuff as a general principle, too. I still wonder whether OPD should be involved in some way.

3majkia
Nov 5, 2012, 7:05am Top

oh terrific!

4timspalding
Nov 5, 2012, 8:24am Top

>2 _Zoe_:

Hot is a tough one—basically it's some sort of ratio between popularity now and popularity before now. It gets tricky because it can't ONLY be a ratio or a book that was a zero a month ago and a 1 now has a "hotness" of infinity.

Now I'd just like the tag pages to be a bit prettier for browsing, more like Search or Hot This Month

This is a good idea, and one I'll look into. It would add consistency. Basically that module has two modes—list and covers. It could probably borrow a lot from the modules you describe. But I'm not sure it should be the default mode.

5elenchus
Nov 5, 2012, 10:34am Top

Also like the ideas here, will explore and see if any particulars strike me, and if so post later.

6SqueakyChu
Edited: Nov 5, 2012, 11:37am Top

I love the idea of a "hot" tag (never mind the "hot this month"). It sounds so, er, cool! :)

7_Zoe_
Nov 5, 2012, 11:44am Top

>4 timspalding: Yup, I agree that hot can be tricky. But you've managed it in other cases, so I figured I'd throw it out there :).

I don't have a strong preference about defaults as long as our preferences are sticky, which they seem to be so far. I wouldn't mind leaving the default as list. But I suspect that the combination of text and covers will be most appealing and useful to many people besides me.

8rgurskey
Nov 5, 2012, 12:50pm Top

Take the tag 'Ace Doubles' and sort it by 'Popular recently' How does The Code of the Woosters appear as #3 on the list? In fact, in that sort are many titles which are not Ace Doubles.

9Nicole_VanK
Nov 5, 2012, 1:03pm Top

How and why people use tags is up to them. Sometimes it's quite mysterious.

10anglemark
Nov 5, 2012, 1:19pm Top

Yeah, it's like God's ways and Orientals.

11lorax
Nov 5, 2012, 1:42pm Top

8>

One person has used "Ace Double" to tag that book. It must have been a recent addition, so that going from zero usages to one will significantly boost the "increasing popularity" signal. Unfortunately there's no easy way to tell who uses a particular tag on a particular book, so we can't easily see if the same person is responsible for all the idiosyncratic uses in that particular case.

12LucindaLibri
Nov 5, 2012, 9:46pm Top

Been trying to test this out all day . . . keeps hanging on me . . . will try again some other time . . . just thought I'd mention it.

13timspalding
Nov 5, 2012, 9:53pm Top

How does it hang, exactly. Keeps spinning forever?

14LucindaLibri
Nov 6, 2012, 12:11am Top

Yes, no pages related to this new feature will load . .. not the announcement, not specific tag pages
I thought it was an issue with my computer, but I cleaned everything up and still having the problem.
I was hoping it was a known issue related to rolling out the feature . . . but maybe not?

I had the problem both in FF 16.0.2 and Safari 5.1.7 on Mac OS X 10.6.8

15LucindaLibri
Edited: Nov 6, 2012, 12:59am Top

Just rechecked in Safari . . . working better over there . . . FF still hanging.

Later . . . ended up rebooting my router and things working better now . . . so likely a problem on my end. Will test the feature more tomorrow . . . if I don't bury myself in West Wing reruns as a distraction from election day fretting :)

16Helcura
Nov 6, 2012, 4:50am Top

I really like this feature - played with it a little bit and found quite a few books to add to my reading list. Thanks, Tim!

17Nicole_VanK
Nov 6, 2012, 4:55am Top

Yes, still just playing around with it really. But much appreciated.

18mysterymax
Nov 6, 2012, 6:52am Top

Love it! Thanks

19lorax
Nov 6, 2012, 10:35am Top

The "published recently" feature has the potential to be the next best thing to getting Tag Watch back. It's no substitute, but at this point I'll take what I can get. Thanks.

20geitebukkeskjegg
Edited: Nov 7, 2012, 6:52am Top

Very nice feature! Thanks!

But how is "published recently" calculated? It says "published in the last year", but I notice some works with OPD 2012 missing (they do show up under "weighted", etc)

21timspalding
Nov 7, 2012, 8:29am Top

Give me an example one?

22jjwilson61
Nov 7, 2012, 11:24am Top

20> Here's what Tim said in the first post:

Published recently. This is based on the work-to-date data LibraryThing, which is not fully exposed to users and has some gaps. Baby steps.

23timspalding
Nov 7, 2012, 11:55am Top

I do want to see one, though.

24geitebukkeskjegg
Nov 7, 2012, 1:57pm Top

>21 timspalding: Here's 2 books with OPD 2012 I could not find under "published recently"

Tags "vilnius" and "fredrikstad" and more: http://no.librarything.com/work/12967430/book/89238777
Tag "trondheim" and more: http://no.librarything.com/work/12567418/book/85589457

>22 jjwilson61: I know it's under work. Just asking how it's calculated in order to know how to use it correctly.

25timspalding
Nov 7, 2012, 2:04pm Top

Ah. Yeah. We probably just don't have data. But I'll look.

26_Zoe_
Nov 7, 2012, 3:34pm Top

At the very least, couldn't it check for explicitly-entered OPD first, and then fall back on the less certain method when OPD isn't available?

27jjwilson61
Nov 7, 2012, 3:56pm Top

I thought that by recently published it could mean that a new edition of an old work has been recently published (and if I recall correctly I saw On the Origin of Species on the Botany tag page for recently published).

28sjmccreary
Nov 16, 2012, 9:50pm Top

OK, I'm feeling dense, but tell me how to get to the tag search from "home". It'd be nice to have a place to access all the great features that have been added with a single click. Like this. And lists.

29jjwilson61
Nov 16, 2012, 10:58pm Top

It depends if you want to the global tag pages or you want to search for tags in your library. If you want the global pages then you get there the same way as for all global searches, the box at the upper right that says search site. Enter you tag there and when you get to the next page pick tags along the left-hand side of the page.

30sjmccreary
Nov 17, 2012, 9:32am Top

thanks - I found it. Does the old tag mash still exist, where I can enter a combination of tags and get a list of works that have those multiple tags?

31Nicole_VanK
Nov 17, 2012, 9:39am Top

Yes, it still exists. But I get the impression it's somewhat bugged at the moment, so it might misfire.

32sjmccreary
Nov 17, 2012, 10:31am Top

I wanted to use it the other day, but couldn't remember how to find it - where is it?

33jjwilson61
Nov 17, 2012, 12:39pm Top

I found it by putting two tags in the search box instead of one, clicking on tags on the left, and at the top it asks if you want to see the tagmash.

34sjmccreary
Nov 18, 2012, 12:14am Top

:-) Thanks!

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