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Edited: Dec 2, 2012, 4:28pm Top

SantaThing 2012 is up and running! See the blog post, or go here to sign up! Feel free to ask questions, etc. here.

Note: please make sure that once you've paid via PayPal and gotten your receipt number that you come back to LibraryThing and finish the signup process. That's key!

New this year:

- We're delighted to have Portland's own indie bookstore, Longfellow Books, as an option this year. They're excited to work with us and we're really happy to be able to support them!

- We changed the payment levels slightly, to $15, $20, $25, $30, $35, and $40. The $10 level didn't have many takers and the Santas indicated that it was very hard to find a book that hit that particular price point well. And since $30 was by far the most popular choice last year (both with Amazon and other stores), we decided to offer some higher levels this time.

- If you a) live in the US and b) choose Amazon.com as your source, you can request Kindle e-books. If (and only if!) you want e-books, you should indicate this in the "Other notes" section on the signup page, and put your email address in the "Address (first line)" field. If you request e-books, you'll only get e-books (we can't mix and match, sorry). We can't do e-books from sellers other than Amazon.

- For the past two years we've worked with a Book Depository warehouse facility, which unfortunately no longer exists. Consequently their shipping deadlines were much earlier this year, so they're not able to guarantee 12/24 delivery for locations outside the UK. We want folks to be aware of this up front. You can still choose them, but your books may not arrive before Christmas.

There was discussion after last year's SantaThing about moving discussions to a separate SantaThing group. We decided to keep the conversation in Talk about LibraryThing, where more folks can see it.

Have fun, and tell your friends to come sign up! :-)

ETA: Rough exchange rates for the Amazons:

Amazon.ca - use US $ (they're basically the same at the moment)
Amazon.de, .fr, .it - $30=23EUR; $35=27EUR; $40=30EUR
Amazon.co.uk - $30=£19; $35=£22; $40=£25

Nov 15, 2012, 12:53pm Top

Is it possible to let the santa choose either e-books or physical copies? Or allow a mix of the two? Or does it have to be all one or the other?

Nov 15, 2012, 12:54pm Top

>2 tottman: - It needs to be all one or all the other. And as noted above, e-books are only available through Amazon.com (USA).

Nov 15, 2012, 12:59pm Top

#3 Thanks for the info. While I love to buy Kindle books, for Santa Thing, physical books seem so much nicer.

Thanks for organizing this, once again!!

Edited: Nov 15, 2012, 1:03pm Top

Just checking -- for those of us outside the USA and UK, we can select any level from BookDepository, or select Amazon if we pay $30 or more? How about Powells, Amazon.co.uk and so on, or are they limited to particular geographical areas?

Nov 15, 2012, 1:06pm Top

>3 jbd1: Thanks. Have to do some thinking now on which I prefer.....

Nov 15, 2012, 1:09pm Top

>5 joannasephine: - For outside the US, you can choose either Book Depository or your local Amazon (if available).

Nov 15, 2012, 1:56pm Top

And if there isn't a local Amazon ... ?

Nov 15, 2012, 1:59pm Top

>7 jbd1: - Book Depository is the option there, sorry. Otherwise shipping costs are prohibitive (unfortunately!)

Nov 15, 2012, 2:36pm Top

>9 jbd1: I live in the Netherlands, and I know that amazon.de (Germany) has free shipment of books to the Netherlands. Is this also an option or is Book depository the only one?

Nov 15, 2012, 3:18pm Top

First off all, great idea! Is there a way to limitate the language of the books you'll get?

Nov 15, 2012, 3:19pm Top

Just mention it in the description or the "Don't get me" box.

Nov 15, 2012, 3:20pm Top

Kind of obvious...

Nov 15, 2012, 3:21pm Top


Edited: Nov 15, 2012, 7:44pm Top

Does the "About recipient's book tastes" field allow HTML? Obviously, I can't see my own, but I want to make sure my links don't come out as gibberish.

Nov 15, 2012, 7:46pm Top

>15 casvelyn: - It does - yours looks fine :-)

Edited: Nov 15, 2012, 7:53pm Top

Just to be clear, since I'm seeing it in lots of ST profiles, unless you specifically request e-books (by noting that in the "Other notes" section), you won't get e-books. There's no need to say you don't want them. :-)

Nov 15, 2012, 7:53pm Top

>16 jbd1: Thanks!

Nov 15, 2012, 7:53pm Top

>18 casvelyn: - You bet!

Nov 15, 2012, 8:42pm Top


Thanks. Some of these questions make me paranoid - do I really need to specify 'no e-books, no non-English books' when all my books are paper books in English? - glad to see the defaults are sane.

Nov 15, 2012, 8:46pm Top

>20 lorax: - Heh, no, you don't :-)

Nov 15, 2012, 10:22pm Top

While Amazon is preferable to BD in terms of actually getting books before February and in terms of inventory, given their practices, Amazon isn't an attractive choice either.

Is there some thought to reaching out to Barnes and Noble and including them as an option for those of us in the US who want to support them? Especially since ebooks are an option now and many of us have Nooks?

Nov 15, 2012, 10:49pm Top

I just signed up for my very first SantaThing! One suggestion: Unless I've completely bollixed it up, you should mention in your instructions that the Receipt ID is actually called the Transaction Number on the PayPal confirmation screen. At least, that's the only number of that sort that I could find, and that's what I used when I signed up.

Nov 15, 2012, 11:08pm Top

>23 rosalita: - Yeah, they're the same thing. For some reason PayPal uses one term when you have a PayPal account and a different one when you don't, so it's weird. I've added a note on the signup page that it may be given as Transaction number too, thanks.

Nov 15, 2012, 11:12pm Top

>24 jbd1: - That is weird! Thanks for adding the note; I hope it helps clarify for some folks.

Nov 16, 2012, 10:54am Top

This is my first time participating in SantaThing! I'm quite excited. Perhaps too excited. I rambled like an idiot on my questionnaire about my book tastes.

Nov 16, 2012, 1:21pm Top

Is there any way to access our ST information from last year? I'd love to be able to mostly cut and paste my dos and don'ts because I was pretty specific. Obviously not an extremely important question but it sure would make things easier. (I should have thought ahead and saved it somewhere)

Nov 16, 2012, 1:31pm Top

>27 leahbird: I second that.

Nov 16, 2012, 1:32pm Top

Also, I just started the SantaThing 2012 Sponsorship Thread here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/144761

Nov 16, 2012, 1:42pm Top

>27 leahbird:/28 - There's not, but I can grab it for you. Will sent via profile comment.

>29 leahbird: - You rock. THANKS!

Nov 16, 2012, 1:44pm Top

I can't pay via paypal without them wanting me to make an account. The moment I choose my country it changes from payment via credit card to create an account. Why? I didn't have that problem last year

Nov 16, 2012, 2:59pm Top

>30 jbd1: Thanks Jeremy!!!!

Nov 17, 2012, 9:19pm Top

Thank you for starting the Sponsorship Thread, leahbird!

Nov 18, 2012, 5:19pm Top

Jeremy, could you put a little note about the sponsorship thread on the ST sign-up page and/or the blog post so people are aware that it's up? Thanks.

Nov 18, 2012, 6:32pm Top

>34 leahbird: - Yep, will add to the blog post and note on FB/Twitter, but tomorrow when more folks are paying attention :-)

Nov 18, 2012, 8:59pm Top

Can anything be done about the / characters that are getting inserted into comments wherever there's an apostrophe or quote marks? It makes the comments really hard to read.

Nov 18, 2012, 9:27pm Top

Which comments?

Nov 18, 2012, 9:47pm Top

>37 timspalding: - The suggestions people leave on the SantaThing profiles (the backslashes around quotes and apostrophes)

Nov 18, 2012, 10:17pm Top

Yes, what Jeremy said.

Nov 19, 2012, 4:10am Top

For the e-books: Should I write my normal email Adress or the Kindle email adress?

Nov 19, 2012, 7:27am Top

>40 Ameise1: - Note that e-books are only available if you live in the US and order through Amazon.com. If both these apply, you put your email address in the "Address (first line)" field on the signup page.

Nov 19, 2012, 8:05am Top

41> Jeremy, that didn't answer Ameise1's question. Which e-mail address?

Nov 19, 2012, 8:11am Top

>40 Ameise1:/42 - The email address you want the e-book(s) delivered to.

Nov 19, 2012, 8:37am Top

Thanks a lot: Now. I put my Kindle email Adress into the Adress line.

Nov 19, 2012, 8:48am Top

I've accidentally loaded the santathing_savesignup.php page from my browser history (...twice), so now I've got three listings under "Your SantaThings". I suspect this is not a big deal, since I only show up on the main list once (and I only have the one PayPal code), but I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't breaking anything major.

Also, hooray for SantaThing! Making recommendations and picking presents is one of my favorite parts of this time of year!

Nov 19, 2012, 3:43pm Top

With regard to local Amazon. I know amazon.co.uk offer free shipping to Ireland for £25+, which is $39. If I select $40 can I go for Amazon instead of Book Depository? If not don't worry, just asking.
Thanks for doing SantaThing again this year! Much appreciated

Nov 19, 2012, 3:50pm Top

>46 Donogh: - I don't see why not, sure.

Nov 20, 2012, 3:53am Top

I still have another question:

Is it possible to get e-books from amazon.de and not living in USA? I can't see why it wouldn't be possible. If there is no way to do so can I get real the books from amazon.de?

Nov 20, 2012, 6:53am Top

>48 Ameise1: - No, it's not, I'm sorry. We had trouble with this last year (ordering through international Amazon sites and not having the ebooks be available to the Santee depending on which country they were in, &c.). So we have to limit it. But if you live in Germany, you can choose Amazon.de for physical books, yes.

Edited: Nov 20, 2012, 7:18am Top

Thanks a lot. I live in Switzerland but amazon.de will send them to me.

Nov 20, 2012, 7:24am Top

>50 Ameise1: - Okay, yeah it looks like they'll ship to Switzerland for free, so that's okay.

Nov 20, 2012, 7:59am Top

Why can't I pay without creating a paypal accout? See #31.

Nov 20, 2012, 8:03am Top

>52 trisweather: I'm not sure. Where are you located? That may, I suppose, have something to do with it, but as far as I know you should just be able to choose the "Pay with credit card" option.

Nov 20, 2012, 8:27am Top

So I tried to sign up and paid via PayPal and got a number and poured my heart out, yet when it came to telling your sign-up page in which country I lived I only got some far-eastern country, which I doubt very much have PayPal avail .. thanks .

Nov 20, 2012, 8:28am Top

>54 Pears: Sorry? I'm not sure what you mean, can you explain (you can send me a profile comment if you want)

Nov 20, 2012, 8:32am Top

I've never been able to pay with Paypal without opening an account. Therefore I don't do things that require paying with Paypal. (My mother bought me my LT membershhip.)

Edited: Nov 20, 2012, 8:39am Top

there was only one county that started with a "D" available . and that was "Dharusallam" or Brunei( to those of us of the older generation). I live in Denmark.

Maybe PayPal will send me the number so I can try again . or I just lost USD 30?

Nov 20, 2012, 8:42am Top

>57 Pears: - As long as you have your PayPal receipt number/transaction ID, you can sign up for SantaThing at https://www.librarything.com/santathing_signup.php

Nov 20, 2012, 8:46am Top

#53 I live in Greenland. I was in SantaThing the last two years, so I don't understand why there are a problem now

Nov 20, 2012, 8:46am Top

>58 jbd1:, no, now I can only sign up if I live in Dominica or Dominican Republic.

Nov 20, 2012, 8:47am Top

>59 trisweather: - Yeah, I don't see why it's an issue - have you contacted PayPal support? I'm afraid there's not much we can do from our end, but they should be able to help/explain.

Nov 20, 2012, 8:49am Top

>60 Pears: - Oh, I see. Hang on, that should be fixable.

Nov 20, 2012, 8:53am Top

>60 Pears: - Should be there now. Sorry - Denmark had wandered off, apparently!

Nov 20, 2012, 9:11am Top

>63 jbd1:

Is that the Book Depository free delivery list? Or a slightly pared down one? Because China doesn't appear in the list either and the BD currently delivers to China (at least according to their website. I haven't actually tried it out.)

Nov 20, 2012, 9:13am Top

Yeah I'm going to run through and update the BD countries list, which I forgot to do before. Will be a bit.

Nov 20, 2012, 9:32am Top

Okay, the countries list should now be fully up-to-date.

Nov 21, 2012, 8:11am Top

I have just signed up, but I think I forgot to change the bookstore I want from. Can I still change that? If yes, where? I can only choose Book Depository, because I live in Greenland, right?

Nov 21, 2012, 8:37am Top

>67 trisweather: - Yep, Book Depository is it for Greenland. I can switch you over.

Nov 21, 2012, 9:51am Top

Thank you

Nov 21, 2012, 12:17pm Top

I didn't choose a bookstore when I signed up- at least, I didn't intend to. Is there a way to check/change that? :-) Thanks!

Nov 21, 2012, 1:29pm Top

>70 bostonbibliophile: I didn't choose one either. I was hoping to choose Amazon but never got the option to choose anything.

Nov 21, 2012, 1:35pm Top

>70 bostonbibliophile:, 71 The bookstore choice is at the top of the screen when you first sign up, right above the big PayPal logo buttons. I do think it gets lost up there because your eye is immediately drawn to the PayPal graphics. I almost missed it myself.

Nov 21, 2012, 2:25pm Top

The default seems to be Powell's and if that's what I'm signed up with, that's fine! If I'm signed up for Amazon I would need to change that.

Nov 21, 2012, 6:28pm Top

Is there a way I can check where I'm signed up to get my books from? Thank you rosalita for clarifying that. I must have missed that portion of the page. I'd like my books to be from Amazon (I think? I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons and I'm conflicted, since I'm a first-timer).

Nov 21, 2012, 11:58pm Top

jdb1 I am worried I did something wrong. I was very blessed this year by a sponsor, a mystery one at that! It is all very exciting! :) I am just wondering because I am confused, I received the paypal receipt number but I am on the list twice? Did I do something wrong?! I hope not. :(

Nov 22, 2012, 1:38am Top

If you didn't notice the bookstore choice, you are signed up for Powell's.

Nov 22, 2012, 7:28am Top

>75 shooting_star28272: - You're all set now.
>70 bostonbibliophile: - Which store do you want? You said Powell's is okay, but if you'd prefer another it's easily done.
>71 InfectiousOptimist: - You're set for Amazon.

Nov 22, 2012, 8:08am Top

Powell's fine. Thanks for checking on it! :)

Nov 22, 2012, 8:13am Top

My pleasure! :-)

Nov 22, 2012, 8:36am Top

Yeah, rats. I didn't look either. I want Amazon. What am I?

Nov 22, 2012, 8:40am Top

An Amazonian?

Nov 22, 2012, 9:15am Top

>80 Morphidae: - You're all set now.

Nov 22, 2012, 9:43am Top

I had some problems with my country, and I can no longer see which shop I chose once I "made" it. I wanted Amazon (co.uk), if this is not what I chose, can it be changed?

Nov 22, 2012, 9:57am Top

>83 Pears: - You're in Denmark, right? Book Depository is the only option available in that case (otherwise the shipping costs are too high).

Nov 22, 2012, 2:18pm Top

I also missed the bookstore option - I'd like Amazon.ca if it's not too late - they always get here on time!! Or maybe it defaults to that anyway...

Nov 22, 2012, 3:18pm Top

No, it defaults to Powell's.

Nov 22, 2012, 3:26pm Top

We've got just a week to go before the sign-up deadline! That's just 7 (and a bit) more days to make someone's Christmas wishes come true! Come on over to the SantaThing 2012 Sponsorship Thread and make someone's holidays that much merrier!

Nov 23, 2012, 7:55am Top

I'm afraid I also forgot to select the right store to choose from. I'd like to try Amazon this year. Can I be switched, pretty please and thank you?

Nov 24, 2012, 9:32am Top

Does it say somewhere what bookstore we chose (or didn't choose, as the case may be)? Because I'd also like mine to be Amazon, but I have no memory of whether or not I picked anything.

Nov 24, 2012, 9:46am Top

>85 crazybatcow:/88/89 - You're all set.

Nov 24, 2012, 10:54am Top


Nov 26, 2012, 7:23am Top

Either I missed your answer to #10 or you forgot to answer it. So I'll ask again: if Amazon.de ships for free to your country (so that's the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Switzerland), can you then choose it? Or does it have to be the Book Depository? I am currently set for Book depository, but I would actually prefer Amazon.de.

Nov 26, 2012, 7:24am Top

>92 wester: - If they ship free to your country, we can do it. I've switched you over.

Nov 26, 2012, 7:25am Top

#93: Thanks!

Nov 26, 2012, 11:33am Top

Three days and counting! Time to make final SantaThing Sponsorships! We've got 4-5 people still needing sponsors. Do we have any sponsors still needing people?

Nov 26, 2012, 11:42am Top

Almost 300 people have signed up for SantaThing!

Nov 27, 2012, 4:33pm Top

I love the idea behind matching people based on their libraries.

However I have about 500 kids' books in my library (though not in my collection called "my library") and last year I was matched with someone who shared loads of them, but none of my tastes in reading. They tried their best and I was happy with my books, but is there some way of excluding the kids books so that I'm matched based only on "my" books?

Nov 27, 2012, 4:46pm Top

yarb, I have put the books that I want on my 'Wishlist', to make it easier for my Santa. :)

Nov 27, 2012, 4:48pm Top

Yeah, me too fuzzi but I guess I'm a bit awkward in wanting something I hadn't already thought of myself!

Nov 27, 2012, 8:41pm Top

Yarb, use the comments bit to request that Santas ignore the kids books. Maybe suggest half a dozen of your books that you particularly love, and would like people to use as inspiration when choosing for you? (Actually it might be nice if that was incorporated into SantaThing a bit more officially – Jeremy? Possible? Worth considering? Even if just as a suggestion somewhere more prominent?)

Nov 27, 2012, 10:51pm Top

You could set up another collection called For-Santas-Inspiration or something like that and put all the books you do want your Santa to use for inspiration. After xmas you can just delete it, or keep it for next year.

Nov 27, 2012, 11:00pm Top

Thanks Jo, I guess that's what I'll do. It's hard when you're paired with someone who isn't on your wavelength and isn't familiar with those half a dozen books that you love. Hard for them, I mean.

Strangely, even though half of my catalog is kids' books, the "Members with your Books" algorithm seems to ignore this - I get very appropriate results from that. Maybe it's picking up on the relative obscurity of my non-kids' books? Although they're not all that obscure. Wish I knew how these things worked.

Nov 27, 2012, 11:01pm Top

jjwilson, not a bad idea, but the problem is my Santa would look at that collection and may not have read a single one of them - which makes it hard to join the dots and have that elusive bright idea.

Nov 27, 2012, 11:07pm Top

102> Did you know that you can mark your collection so that the books in it aren't considered for recommendations or connections? Perhaps they could honor the Use for Connections checkbox for Santa matching (maybe they do?). However, if the book is also in another collection (like Your Library) that has Use for Connections or Use for Recommendations checked then it will still get used for that purpose.

Nov 28, 2012, 6:13am Top

>100 joannasephine: - Sure - that's what those likes/dislikes boxes are for :-)

I'm pretty sure collections aren't taken into account with ST, no. The best bet, yarb, is just to say that while you have some children's books in your library, you're not looking for more through ST.

Nov 28, 2012, 12:57pm Top

Will there be a way for us to say thank you to our Secret Santa, or is their identity completely secret?

Nov 28, 2012, 12:58pm Top

After 12/25 you'll be able to see their username so you can say thank you, yep!

Nov 28, 2012, 1:20pm Top

I can't pay without creating a paypal account like #31 and #52 from France. It was possible for the membership in May. :/

Nov 28, 2012, 1:27pm Top

>108 Jonic: - They eventually did get it to work, so give it another shot (the "pay with credit card" option). If possible, try with a different browser too (shouldn't make a difference, but sometimes it seems to).

Nov 28, 2012, 1:31pm Top

I don't have a Paypal account and I paid with a credit card. However, I am in the USA.

Try clearing out your browser cookies and cache, first, though. It might help.

Nov 28, 2012, 1:45pm Top

If i choose United States, Canade or United Kingdom, i can pay as a guest. If i choose Spain, France, Germany or Netherlangs i have to create an account :/ I 've tried wiht three different browsers.

Nov 29, 2012, 10:06am Top

Reminder: today's the last day to sign up for SantaThing - the deadline is 4 p.m. EST, so if you want to hop in, now's the time!

Nov 29, 2012, 10:48am Top

Another reminder (since we have a few of these every year): unless you've filled out the form at http://www.librarything.com/santathing_signup.php, you have not signed up for SantaThing. So if you went to PayPal and paid, but didn't fill out the form, please do so!

Nov 29, 2012, 4:51pm Top

Okay, we're picking Santas now! Stay tuned :-)

Nov 29, 2012, 4:56pm Top

Is there any update on whether the backslash thing in the comments will be fixed? (messages 36, 37, 38)

Nov 29, 2012, 5:10pm Top

>115 norabelle414: - Yes, fixed.

Nov 29, 2012, 5:13pm Top

Yay thanks!

Nov 29, 2012, 5:57pm Top

So excited can't wait to see who I get.

Nov 29, 2012, 7:24pm Top

Also excited to get the picking underway, I've even logged on at work to see if the matching was done yet :-) Thanks to the team for once again organising SantaThing.

Nov 29, 2012, 7:25pm Top

Still chugging away. I'm not sure we'll send out the notices tonight, we may wait and do it tomorrow morning. But the elves are busily choosing Santas!

Nov 29, 2012, 8:39pm Top

Awe I was hoping it would be done tonight but I know the elves are working as fast as possible! For tomorrow until then lets enjoy some egg nog and cookies. Teehee :)

Nov 29, 2012, 8:52pm Top

Courtesy of our friends, Alvin and the Chipmunks:
♪ Hurry Christmas, hurry fast!
We can hardly stand the wait,
Please Christmas don't be late. ♪

Nov 29, 2012, 8:59pm Top

♪Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus, Right down Santa Claus lane

Vixen and Blitzen and all his reindeer Pullin' on the reins

Bells are ringin', children singin' All is merry and bright

Hang your stockings and say your prayers

'Cause Santa Claus comes tonight!♪

Nov 29, 2012, 9:28pm Top

You're not excited at all, are you? ;)

Nov 29, 2012, 9:47pm Top

Not at all lol

Nov 29, 2012, 10:23pm Top

I actually happened upon my Santee while cruising down the list and looking at names I recognized. Doesn't say how much I can spend yet, though, or have a place to put the ISBNs. I guess that'll come tomorrow.

Nov 29, 2012, 10:27pm Top

493! That's a whole bunch of Santas!

Nov 29, 2012, 11:12pm Top

How many were there last time?

Nov 29, 2012, 11:48pm Top

Where do you see 493? When I look at the list it says 478 Unpicked Santas.

Nov 29, 2012, 11:50pm Top

At the very bottom of the page it says "Total: 493."

Nov 30, 2012, 1:28am Top

I think I signed up, but I am not sure. I live on the west coat and forgot about it until the last second. I am on the list of people unpicked, but then on the other had I am also listed under "Your SantaThing" and it has the message under it that reads "SantaThing is Now Closed for New Entrants" in big red letters. When I did it, it let me fill out everything and submit it, but I am now wondering whether I made or not. I would like to know. If not, did I lose the paypal money? Thanks

Nov 30, 2012, 1:46am Top

>131 TracyK1:

Yes, you are in: http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=498

PS: It will tell you that you cannot look at that page now. But everyone else can.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:13am Top

I had a quick browse thru the Santas.
I still haven't received my Santee.
Is it too early to start worrying?

Nov 30, 2012, 4:13am Top

Noone had received their Santee officially yet - they are assigned but no notifications had been sent yet.

Nov 30, 2012, 8:53am Top

Good morning fellow santathngers, I bring the elves, jbd1 some ecoffee.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 9:03am Top

Stay tuned! The elves are re-picking so that some people don't get the same Santee as past years :-)

Nov 30, 2012, 9:00am Top

Those elves. So clever.

Nov 30, 2012, 9:04am Top

Ooooo they are!!! (Forgive this mom he has had 0 sleep)

Nov 30, 2012, 9:53am Top

I'd like to take a trip to the North Pole next year and sign up to be an elf. I'm a little tall, but I think I'd do a satisfactory job.

Nov 30, 2012, 11:37am Top

Argh! I can't believe I missed the deadline for this by a day!

Nov 30, 2012, 11:42am Top

>140 lobotomy42: - See your profile.

Nov 30, 2012, 12:23pm Top

I noticed the re-picking. I don't have the same person as last night. Too bad - I had SUCH good ideas (will post for the benefit of the person who does have them now). I haven't bothered to look for my new Santee - will wait for notification.

Nov 30, 2012, 12:24pm Top

They're still picking, yeah, so hold tight for now.

Nov 30, 2012, 2:02pm Top

Ahhhh! How much longer? I can hardly wait!!!

Nov 30, 2012, 2:04pm Top

I am patiently waiting and hope to know after 4 pm when I am done work so that I can actually start shopping. I can't shop at work since everything is blocked.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 3:13pm Top

Okay, have at it! Profile comments are enroute, but you should see your Santee on the ST page now and be able to pick.

- only shop at the store your Santee chose
- don't choose used books or preorders, or items under $2.50. If in doubt about availability, &c., choose a different title if you can.
- use the "Price is Right" rule. Get as close as you can to the total without going over.
- any questions, ask here or on my profile, or email info@librarything.com
- even once you've shopped, you can make suggestions for others. That's one of my favorite parts!
- for those whose Santee asked for ebooks: use the ASINs in the ISBN fields, but they probably will throw an error at first (they'll still save, though). If needed, throw an ISBN into one of the unused ISBN slots (but just be sure to note in the comments that it's just a placeholder).


I'll probably need a few volunteer pinch-Santas shortly, so stay tuned for that.

Nov 30, 2012, 2:29pm Top

I volunteer for anything you need help with.

Nov 30, 2012, 2:43pm Top

So I'm totally paranoid that I forgot to switch from Powells to Amazon. Is it possible to check/change that at this point? If not, it's not that big of a deal.

Nov 30, 2012, 2:45pm Top

You were at Powell's - I've switched you to Amazon.

Nov 30, 2012, 2:47pm Top

You're amazing! Thank you so much!!!

Nov 30, 2012, 2:53pm Top

Want to ask your Santee a secret question?
I can be your go-between elf if you want to ask your Santee a question or clarify some of their preferences without giving away your identity. Leave your question and the name of your Santee as a private comment on my profile. I will use private comments to ask your question and relay the answer back to you.

Don’t forget to check the private comment box!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:06pm Top

Great idea Bijou!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:08pm Top

>147 InfectiousOptimist: - Thanks - I've just given you a second Santee.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:10pm Top

Besides picking, the fun part is making suggestions for other people. I enjoy browsing through people's wishlists.

Even though I don't have a lot of reading interests in common with my santee, I'm jotting down plenty of ideas for my own wishlist.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:16pm Top

#153 by jbd1> OH, me, me! I love the picking more than anything (and frantically look forward to that period at the end where we scramble to pick for people who's Santas took a wrong turn somewhere north of Greenland). ;)

Nov 30, 2012, 3:18pm Top

Cool, you've got the next one!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:18pm Top

>153 jbd1: Great! I'm more than happy to take another on.

>154 lindapanzo: Same here. I'm having way too much fun with this. I'm treating it like it's my day job.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:19pm Top

I'm very excited, and very pleased with the person I matched with! I already have some cool possibilities picked out for them. But I have one (possibly very stupid) question. For santees who have requested e-books, what do we use for the ISBN? I see something called "ASIN" and something called "Page Numbers Source ISBN." Which of those do I need to use? Or is it something else I'm not seeing?

Nov 30, 2012, 3:26pm Top

What do we do if our santees are from outside the U.S.? I know there's an amount shown but I think it's shown in dollars.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:27pm Top

I added a bit about that at 146, but will put it here too:
For those whose Santee asked for ebooks: use the ASINs in the ISBN fields, but they probably will throw an error at first (they'll still save, though). If needed, put an ISBN into one of the unused ISBN slots (but just be sure to note in the comments that it's just a placeholder).

Also, ASINS are annoying.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:27pm Top

Oh, I'd be happy to pick for more than one person too if you still need more santas!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:29pm Top

>160 jbd1:: Thanks for the quick reply!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:30pm Top

I'll take another Santee, too.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 3:34pm Top

Rough exchange rates for the Amazons:

Amazon.ca - use US $ (they're basically the same at the moment)
Amazon.de, .fr, .it - $30=23EUR; $35=27EUR; $40=30EUR
Amazon.co.uk - $30=£19; $35=£22; $40=£25

Just get as close as you can.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:39pm Top

I'd be happy to have a Santee if there are any more being given away!

Nov 30, 2012, 3:45pm Top

I'd love a second Santee as well if there are any languishing about the North Pole.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:48pm Top

If I pick a couple of books for my Santee and save it, then think of something better before the deadline, I can go back in and change it, right?

Nov 30, 2012, 3:49pm Top

First-time Secret Santa here. Some questions:

Should the fields behind the ISBN (link, title, price) fill in when you enter an ISBN? They don't at the moment, and I can't fill them in myself either.

And what happens if the price of the chosen books changes in the next days? I'm 21 cents under the given amount now, which is good, but it does make the list vulnerable to price changes.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:52pm Top

>167 rosalita: - Yes
>168 wester: - No, they won't fill in. You're fine with how you have it; sometimes prices change, but usually not too much. Should be fine.

Nov 30, 2012, 3:59pm Top

A couple more reminders:

The title/price/&c. fields will not fill in as you add ISBNs. That's okay. All we need are the ISBNs.

You are not necessarily matched up with someone at the same payment level as you. Make sure you're shopping at your Santee's level, not yours.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 4:05pm Top

I was wondering about that (re: the title/price not showing up), although I wish it did--I was trying to calculate how many books I could wring out of my santee's price limit.

Which brings me to my next question--if we saved the ISBNs, then went in, replaced a few, and saved them all over again, they're updated on your end as well, right?

ETA: Never mind my question--I just saw your response to rosalita. :)

Nov 30, 2012, 4:04pm Top

>171 bookwoman84: - as long as you saved them, yes

The prices-display thing is a holdover from a couple years ago when we only used a single store. With a whole bunch, it's too big a pain.

Nov 30, 2012, 4:07pm Top

For you Maine-iacs, how can I tell on the Longfellow Books site if a particular book is new or used? I'm hunting high and low and can't see that they make any distinction in the book's listing.

Nov 30, 2012, 4:08pm Top

>173 rosalita: - They don't list their used books, I'm pretty sure. So as long as they list them on the site, they should be eligible.

Nov 30, 2012, 4:10pm Top


Nov 30, 2012, 4:26pm Top

I'd be more than happy to add a second Santee.

And found the answer to my question above without having to ask.

Nov 30, 2012, 4:44pm Top

As I try to fill my sack as close to the brim as possible, does anyone know of any cheaper publishers, apart from Dover Thrift, where I might find something to spend my last $3 to $9 on?

Nov 30, 2012, 6:42pm Top

177> paperbacks like Berkley Prime Crime?

Nov 30, 2012, 6:51pm Top

I'd love a second Santee too if you need more help. Picking books for someone is so much fun!

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 7:03pm Top

Some of the Santees aren't showing up on the main lists...

I've got one that another member has informed me isn't on either the "picked" or "unpicked" list. I looked too, and he/she is not there, so no one can make suggestions.

*Edited: I now notice that there was an option to make an entry "private". Neverrr mind.*

Nov 30, 2012, 7:04pm Top

>180 InfectiousOptimist: - yes, exactly (private profiles).

Nov 30, 2012, 7:22pm Top

Dear LibraryThing elves - Thanks so much for arranging this for us again this year. So much fun!

Nov 30, 2012, 7:35pm Top

I'm so excited to participate in SantaThing this year (I missed the deadline to sign up last year and 2010 was awesome!). However, I'm surprised at being matched up with my Santee. We have almost nothing in common. Though I'm delighted to shop for her, I do wonder at the algorithm gods on this one.

Nov 30, 2012, 7:51pm Top

>183 Sarine: I have absolutely nothing in common with mine as well, but it may be an opportunity in disguise- we'll have to educate ourselves about genres that are foreign to us. Perhaps we'll discover something fantastic that we'd otherwise never consider reading.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 7:53pm Top

>183 Sarine: - It tries to pick a good match, but sometimes it's tricky. Hopefully it'll be fun, though!
>182 JoLynnsbooks: - Thanks! This elf is headed for bed (it's been a very long couple days!), but I'll catch up with new questions tomorrow morning :-)

Nov 30, 2012, 8:36pm Top

If you still need people to help pick books for folks, I'll pitch in gladly.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 8:49pm Top

Just tried to enter 4 ISBN 13's for my Santee.
When I used the "check ISBN" button it said NON
were valid ISBN's. I could go back and pick up the ISBN 10's (from Amazon) but WTF?

ETA. Just spent the most delightful hour (OK 2+)
picking and thinking about those books :-)

Nov 30, 2012, 8:49pm Top

question, does the more than $2.50 price limit apply to e-books?

Nov 30, 2012, 9:13pm Top

Thanks guys! She loves what I dislike so, but I do love exploring, so we'll see!

Nov 30, 2012, 9:18pm Top

>189 Sarine: I'm in the same boat. I just hope I don't pick what mine dislikes because I like it!

Nov 30, 2012, 9:50pm Top

sigh... hard to get to a round number... got a question though: if you had a choice between 3 books I think are really good (keep in mind you might not agree with my tastes), or 4 books, where 2 of them are so-so but get me closer to your total... what would you prefer?

Nov 30, 2012, 9:52pm Top

Go for quality #191, Plus any leftovers are always well used.

Nov 30, 2012, 9:53pm Top

>191 crazybatcow:

If I am picking - probably the 4. If my Santa picks and asks me the same question - I'd say to go for the three - I'd rather get their best recommendation than a worse one that was done only based on money..

Nov 30, 2012, 10:22pm Top

I am over the limit on one Santee by $1.

My other Santee has $3 left to spend.

Can the 'over' still get both books? I can't find a new book for $3 in the retailer of my second Santee's choice...

Nov 30, 2012, 11:36pm Top

I'm pondering the same thing.

I think the $15 price range might be the toughest. Would you get one book that you're confident is "good", or two books that just seem..."so-so"?

15 is such a weird number too. I'm either $3 under or $5 over.

Edited: Nov 30, 2012, 11:38pm Top

>191 crazybatcow: If I were the Santee, I'd want the three. I always feel bad when I receive a book that ends up just collecting dust on my book stack.

Dec 1, 2012, 12:34am Top

>190 InfectiousOptimist:: Meanwhile, I peeked at your library! Jane Austen's Persuasion is on your To Read list. It's one of my top 5 books in the entire world. :)

Dec 1, 2012, 2:43am Top

Just so I am clear, the total dollar amount for our Santee's excludes shipping? We pick, say, $25 worth of books, shipping cost excluded? Not 15 dollars worth of books, with shipping making up the other ten, or what have you.

Dec 1, 2012, 2:58am Top

>198 poetontheone: Exactly: we don't pay for shipping, so your book(s) must cosr $25 or less in total.

Dec 1, 2012, 5:10am Top

Advice please! I have a Santee who has similar tastes to mine but has less than 30 books catalogued. One of the authors I immediately thought of isn't listed in their catalogue, but my Santee is a member of a fan group for this author. So I'm pretty certain they've read a lot more than is catalogued and probably owns a lot of books as well.

Has any one had this before? I obviously don't want to pick books they may have read or even own, but I have no real way of checking what I'm picking.

Dec 1, 2012, 5:47am Top

I recon. go with your own tastes and look for something different but similar :-)

If your Santee is a member of a "fan group', it is probable they have already read (and possibly even own) those works.

Are there other authors/themes/whatever that you
think they might enjoy.

Remember, this gift is a reflection of YOU. Not
just another purchase I am sure they can afford!

Good luck,


Dec 1, 2012, 6:02am Top

PS. SouthernKiwi,

You MUST, repeat MUST post your profile picture on our "Cats, books..." group :-)

Dec 1, 2012, 7:29am Top

>187 guido47: - did you get them working? Let me know, I can check and see if they saved on our end.
>188 KarenElissa: - Yes, still applies.
>198 poetontheone: - Do not factor in shipping, that's right.

On the general questions of quality v. quantity, think of it this way: what would you want to receive? More so-so books, or fewer really good ones?

Dec 1, 2012, 8:00am Top

Soooooo envious of y'all having so much fun! I asked for a Santa fill-in because we are currently RVing on Cape San Blas which is out in the middle of nowheresville and have no wifi within 10 miles and phone service is almost non-existent. Still, it is beautiful here, so so long as I don't throw the laptop through the window waiting 10 minutes for a page to load, I'll call it a great vacation!

Dec 1, 2012, 8:15am Top

Ah Ha, #203, "jbd1",

Re. my #187, I have worked out the problem. It might have some implications for you.

1) When I looked up a book (on Amazon) I Cut/Pasted the 13 ISBN, which had a dash in the number. eg. 978-nnn...
2) but your field only accepts an absolute length of 13 characters, thus the last digit was truncated.
3) Hence "invalid ISBN"

Removing the dash is not enough, since the last digit has already been truncated.

I just re-entered all the ISBN's sans dash.

Dec 1, 2012, 8:19am Top

>205 guido47: - Ah, yeah I remember that from last year. Remove the dashes before saving, yep.

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 8:38am Top

Um... #206, are you going to post that near the field? I imagine most people cut/paste.

ETA. So I can paste in more than 13 characters, but it's your job to remove any dashes/spaces/etc. ? in other words like "add book" works?

Dec 1, 2012, 8:31am Top

Want to ask your Santee a secret question?
I can be your go-between elf if you want to ask your Santee a question or clarify some of their preferences without giving away your identity. Leave your question and the name of your Santee as a private comment on my profile. I will use private comments to ask your question and relay the answer back to you.

Don’t forget to check the private comment box!

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 8:38am Top

>203 jbd1: Re: price limit

darn it! there went one of my good choices! :)

Dec 1, 2012, 10:46am Top

Any help picking for my Santee would be appreciated. I know very little about their major stated interest and am not confident about picking anything out in that area. We don't seem to have much in common, so I'm afraid of making blunders . . .

Dec 1, 2012, 1:51pm Top

Same as 210. I would appreciate some suggestions for my Santee.

Dec 1, 2012, 2:01pm Top

>210 ijustgetbored: and 211 -- Can you list your santees' names so we can find them easily on the list?

Dec 1, 2012, 2:08pm Top

>212 by _debbie_, If they said it here, it'd rather defeat the whole purpose of secret santa...

Dec 1, 2012, 2:24pm Top

>212 _debbie_: - erm, yeah, don't do that please :-)

Dec 1, 2012, 2:49pm Top

So how are we going to find out what the Santees of # 210 and 211 are?

Dec 1, 2012, 3:06pm Top

I think I'm OK picking for my santee this year.

Sorry I'm not up to it this year but for those having trouble people have helped out via PM's in previous years.

Dec 1, 2012, 3:08pm Top

I know in the past we've had a few issues with book prices changing or books selling out. Should we still list our last resort choice with the others as a fall back or just leave it in comments?

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 3:15pm Top

>217 leahbird: - Don't list extra books in the ISBN section, no. If you feel it necessary to put an alternate in the comments you can do that.

Dec 1, 2012, 3:56pm Top

I have suddenly become paranoid that I didn't choose Amazon for my books- does anyone know if there is a way to check that?

Dec 1, 2012, 4:06pm Top

>219 ForeignCircus: - You're set with Amazon.

Dec 1, 2012, 5:36pm Top

many many thanks!

Dec 1, 2012, 6:42pm Top

> 213 Oh yeah, I forgot about that secret part. LOL!

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 7:12pm Top

If anyone's Santee has interests similar to mine or a library similar to mine, feel free to shoot me a (private) message for suggestions and ideas.

Dec 1, 2012, 7:36pm Top

I did not see where my question(s) had been answered:

I am over the limit on one Santee by $1.

My other Santee has $3 left to spend.

Can the 'over' still get both books? I can't find a new book for $3 in the retailer of my second Santee's choice...


Dec 1, 2012, 7:51pm Top

>224 fuzzi: - Just get as close to the targets as you can. If you've done that, you're fine. You're over a tiny bit on one and under slightly on the other, so it's pretty much a wash.

Dec 1, 2012, 8:27pm Top

Should anything happen when I hit the "Save ISBNs" button? Nothing changed, and there was no message or anything.

Dec 1, 2012, 8:38pm Top

As long as the ISBNs are still there when you look at the page, and your Santee shows as picked on the main page, you're set.

Dec 1, 2012, 8:46pm Top

Thanks. Everything looks right.

Dec 1, 2012, 8:57pm Top

I noticed shooting_star28272 is signed up for Amazon on accident with 20.00 limit, I am sure she meant Powells or something.

Dec 1, 2012, 9:24pm Top

I need some help with my screen santa if anyone is willing too, they are so much different then I am. (I was confused why someone with their likes got paired with a kids profile.) lol

Dec 1, 2012, 9:32pm Top

>229 DeathsHand1328: - Switched - thanks.

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 9:45pm Top

> #155 by leahbird

"I love the picking more than anything (and frantically look forward to that period at the end where we scramble to pick for people who's Santas took a wrong turn somewhere north of Greenland). ;)"

I'm curious. Who or how is it decided that a Santa "took a wrong turn"? The last few years, LibraryThing ignored some of my choices and sent my Santees different books than I selected. The books were under the price limit and available, so I wonder why.

When I told my Santees which books I selected that were not purchased, they liked the choices. It was disappointing to spend so much time picking just to have someone swoop in at the end and pick something else. What's the point?

Edited: Dec 1, 2012, 11:16pm Top

If anyone needs suggestions for a difficult Santee, feel free to post a comment to my profile. I'll try to help if I can.

Dec 2, 2012, 1:12am Top

#232 by devans00> I was specifically referencing the occasions when Santas just don't pick anything. Sometimes they forget the deadline or other things conspire to keep them from picking. As for LT picking something other than you specified, the only cases of this I've heard about are when something was no longer available or the price changed.

Dec 2, 2012, 1:41am Top

Could anyone who knows things about Historical Fiction drop me a private message to help me pick for my Santee? I really don't know much about the genre at all.

Dec 2, 2012, 5:20am Top

Could someone help me please? I'm trying to enter my ISBN's and it isn't reconsigning any of them! I'm taking them straight from amazon.com and I've used the 10 and 13 digit versions with and without the 978- that amazon put in. I'm out of ideas now!

Dec 2, 2012, 6:20am Top

See #205 above.
with 13 digit remove the dash before pasting into the field, else the last digit is truncated.
Note the 10 digit ISBN is NOT the same as a 13 digit ISBN with just a '978'.

So, first paste your ISBN into a file, remove the dash, copy again and you should be right.

Dec 2, 2012, 6:36am Top

>232 devans00: - The elves (i.e. the staff, who does all the ordering) only makes changes to the Santa's picks when it's absolutely necessary. Trust us, we don't want to have to pick different books (it takes a long time, and we have tons of orders to do in a very short time). What leahbird meant in #155 (as she says in #234) was that after the end of the ordering period, when some Santas haven't picked yet, we allow pinch-Santas to jump in and pick.

>236 Witchylady333: - Right, you'll probably need the ISBN13, just without the dash (but the 978 is a real part of the ISBN, so you need that). If you need help, drop me a profile comment with the ISBNs.

Dec 2, 2012, 6:38am Top

That didn't want to work either, but I found if I delete everything I wrote then typed in the numbers manually from amazon I can get it to acknowledge that they are, in fact, valid ISBN's. I don't know what was going on between the copy and pasting but really nothing would work. No info is coming up for them, but I guess that is supposed to happen.

Dec 2, 2012, 6:58am Top

239, I had the same problem doing copy/paste with ISBNs from Amazon. I just typed them in manually and it worked fine.

Edited: Dec 2, 2012, 8:45am Top

I've picked the books but my santee is still in the Unpicked list. Perhaps it's the ebook ASIN numbers 'errors' that cause this?

Dec 2, 2012, 8:49am Top

>241 crazybatcow: - Yep. Stick a dummy ISBN in one of the spare fields (and note that in the Comments). That should mark it as picked.

Dec 2, 2012, 9:00am Top

jbd1: if you need an extra helper, feel free to drop me a message. And, ahem, they do not have to be "local".

Dec 2, 2012, 9:02am Top

Thanks - I've got a huge list of backup folks at the moment, and will add you!

Dec 2, 2012, 9:53am Top

My secret santa is also still showing up as 'unpicked', and there is still no data for my ISBN's, though they are saved and the message on the bottom says they are 'valid'. I'm just going to put my book choices in as a comment to be sure!

Dec 2, 2012, 9:56am Top

>245 Witchylady333: - Yours is showing as picked with three ISBNs for me ...

Dec 2, 2012, 10:00am Top

I've made my choices but exceeded the amount by 15 cents. If this is too much can I top up by Paypal?

Dec 2, 2012, 10:05am Top

>247 CDVicarage: - It's fine.

In general: as I've said a few times, folks, please, just try to come as close as you can to the target amount. You don't have to ask about specific figures.

Dec 2, 2012, 10:26am Top

Thanks, Jeremy. I'm from UK and I was pretty sure 15 cents was a small amount but panicked in case I got the currency conversion wrong - my mental arithmetic isn't as good as it used to be!

Dec 2, 2012, 12:36pm Top

thank you for checking, phew!

Dec 2, 2012, 4:28pm Top

>164 jbd1: Thanks for this conversion. I was busily looking this us on the internet when I found you posted this! Thanks jbd1!

Dec 2, 2012, 4:36pm Top

I have a secret Santa using amazon from another country. I'm in the United States. She says she only wants English books. How can I tell that on a foreign amazon site? The site is in German except most of the titles. Any suggestions?

Dec 2, 2012, 4:49pm Top

>252 by FMRox, If the title is in English, unless you're talking about a person's name or something, that's obviously not translated, then the book is in English. If you click it, the description should be English as well. And on DE it will say "Sprache: Englisch" (rather than "Sprache: Deutsch"), on IT "Lingua: Inglese" (rather than "Lingua: Italiano"), on FR "Langue : Anglais" (rather than "Langue : Français") in the details.

Dec 2, 2012, 6:31pm Top

Looks like you're pretty well covered at this point, but if you need anymore back-up Santas add me to the list :)

Dec 2, 2012, 7:17pm Top

And me. (Although you'll probably have to be middle-man again!)

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 2:46am Top

I added a comment to my 'Santee'.
Is there any way to edit it or at least delete it and add a new one?

Dec 3, 2012, 8:14am Top

>256 guido47: - PM me with what you want the comment to say, and I can edit.

All: I'm traveling today (giving a talk in VA tomorrow) so I may not respond to questions/messages immediately, but I'll answer just as soon as I can.

Dec 3, 2012, 8:38am Top

Question from someone who doesn't regularly use Amazon: which prices do I need to look at? Only the Amazon price, or also from other sellers? I am a bit confused.

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 8:49am Top

>258 SimoneA: Only the Amazon prices for NEW books (don't go through to the marketplace even if they say the books are new because those don't actually come from Amazon).

Dec 3, 2012, 8:49am Top

>259 leahbird: Thank you for the quick answer!

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 8:52am Top

252, 253 If the title is in English, ..., then the book is in English. Unfortunately, not so. English titles are 'in' even for books that never were in English. However there is a separate area for books in English, and that information shows up right after the title.

Click on 'Bücher' down the left hand side of the page and then 'Englische Bücher'.

Elfhome {Englisch} {Taschenbuch}
This is in English.

Love you, hate you, miss you: Roman {Taschenbuch}
without the {Englisch} is in German.

BTW on Amazon.de those are all square brackets. 'Taschenbuch' means paperback.

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 9:23am Top

Dear Group,

I Think an Exact explanation of what sort of "Amazon" books we are allowed to choose from
would be useful.

Thus, sofar I have chosen "most" of my Santees books from AMAZON, when they say they are the
direct seller.

I did order one "new" book from an "AMAZON SELLER". Only way to get that book!


If NOT, what happens to my order?
Should I add other books to my list, which is/are only from Amazon "direct"?

If so, this should have been made explicit at the start. Is it only Amazon or does, say, "Book Depository" have those same issues?

I can still change my order if...

ETA. And perhaps 'define' what an "AMAZON Direct"
(my phrase) book is.

Dec 3, 2012, 9:22am Top

I think it has been explicit from the start, and yes, you must only choose new books, even when a used book is the only available copy of a certain title. Then you must choose a different book.

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 9:33am Top

I believe that Amazon has to be the Seller. Underneath all the pricing information there is something that looks like this.

'In Stock. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com'

If it's on the book's main page I believe that means it's a NEW book and is sold by Amazon.

But, if it has a link to another named store. Then Amazon isn't the seller. So the books that you're putting into the ISBN boxes shouldn't look like this on the product's main page.

'Sold by T.R.G. and Fulfilled by Amazon'

Dec 3, 2012, 9:27am Top

No, I have only looked at NEW books.
Perhaps I am a bit confused by Amazon's terminology.

Dec 3, 2012, 9:33am Top

So, anything which says "sold by Amazon" is OK.
Sorry. I would have to go there to look for the exact words, but isn't there something which says
"sponsored/something" by Amazon?

Dec 3, 2012, 9:39am Top

WOW, lots of messages as I was slowely typing.

SO? IS "Fulfilled by AMAZON" a valid order or Not
wrt. Santa Thing?

Dec 3, 2012, 9:41am Top

I have no idea, but that was how I read the guidelines.

Dec 3, 2012, 9:44am Top

Err #268?
Which message were you replying to?

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 9:53am Top

just going to let Jeremy answer so I don't give possibly incorrect info

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 2:26pm Top

guido, I was sort of saying the same thing that leahbird said in >270 leahbird:.

I read it as, 'only chose new books from Amazon proper', but... that's just how I read it, so, take my statements with whatever percentage of grain of salt is applicable... :)

Dec 3, 2012, 12:07pm Top

Only new books, from Amazon proper, please. Otherwise there's a good chance they won't be available when we try to order.

Dec 3, 2012, 12:59pm Top

I volunteer for additional Santees (not sure if you need them, but in case you do!)

Dec 3, 2012, 2:38pm Top

Oh dear - I just took "New" to mean exactly that and have already finished my ST submission - but one of my selections, although new, is through an Amazon vendor and not Amazon proper. I also realized (after the fact) that, although I signed up for a $30 ST, I was assigned a $40 ST.

Dec 3, 2012, 3:03pm Top

274 - I'm pretty sure you can go back to your Santee and change/add ISBNs. Amazon vendors (in Canada anyway) do not offer free shipping.

Dec 3, 2012, 3:09pm Top

#275 by crazybatcow> Amazon vendors (in Canada anyway) do not offer free shipping.

Nor here in the states.

Dec 3, 2012, 3:24pm Top

You can definitely change/add ISBNs. See post #167/169.

Dec 3, 2012, 3:43pm Top

>274 ferness:.... the recipient that you're choosing for may have a different amount than you.

Dec 3, 2012, 4:42pm Top

Yes, you are buying books for them, for their money.

Dec 3, 2012, 5:38pm Top

So, what does "fulfilled by Amazon" mean?
Is this Amazon Proper or not?

Dec 3, 2012, 5:39pm Top

>280 guido47: - Probably not - PM me the ISBN though and I'll be happy to check.

Dec 3, 2012, 8:20pm Top

Hi #281,
I've changed the order to exclude the questionable one. Though I still would like to know about
"fulfilled by Amazon" in principal - for next year :-)

Edited: Dec 3, 2012, 8:26pm Top

My Santee is in Canada and Amazon.ca uses Canadian dollars. I looked at the exchange rate and assumed it was close enough to par that I forged ahead - I don't think I was close to the limit, but is there a way to make Amazon.ca list in US Dollars?

ETA - never mind- I just saw the info on exchange rates in the first message in the thread.

Dec 3, 2012, 8:26pm Top

>283 Helenoel: - Yes, they're close enough that you can consider them the same.

Dec 4, 2012, 2:24am Top

I've picked my books for my santa-thing person. If you need someone to pick for another person I would be more than happy to help. Just let me know.

Dec 4, 2012, 5:48am Top

If you need anyone to pick more books at any point, like if people miss the deadline or whatever, then I'd love to volunteer. Picking books was a lot of fun and I wish I could have done it more than once - maybe I'll enter twice next year!

Dec 4, 2012, 11:58am Top


I don't if anyone answered #235:, but there is an historical fiction group:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/131292 might be a good place to start.

I go through books a person has and lookup up recommended books.

Of course, if you don't recognize which are historical fiction, that's trickier. However, the tag listing for a person now has a list of all tags anyone has assigned to that person's books. Awesome feature. Just look for the historical fiction tag for that person's books.

I found that my giftee listed historical fiction as something they like, but even though I also read historical fiction, NONE of our historical ficiton books intersect. So I have also been hunting through historical fiction :-).

Dec 4, 2012, 1:02pm Top

Thanks MDGentleReader. I got quite a few offers of help, picked a book for her from one of the suggestions, and posted all the suggestions on her SantaThing page in case she decides to look into some of the others. =)

Dec 4, 2012, 1:24pm Top

I also love the last-minute scramble for unpicked Santees! It's obvious I'm not alone, but I'd love to be added to the list of stand-in Santas... which I'm guessing will be happening on Thursday afternoon?

Dec 4, 2012, 1:41pm Top

Is there a way to see what our SantaThing gifts were from past years? I'm trying to make it a collection, and I can't remember what to add!

Dec 4, 2012, 4:46pm Top

Can we pick a book with a special offer ? I'm not sure that the special offer will still be available when the order will be done.

Dec 4, 2012, 5:40pm Top

>291 Jonic: - You can, but we have to use the price that's on the book when we order.

Dec 4, 2012, 9:41pm Top

280> Fulfilled by Amazon means that the seller sent all their books to an Amazon warehouse, and when someone orders them, Amazon goes and picks out the book and ships it. It usually gets the free Super Saver shipping, so it might well count as Amazon.

Dec 4, 2012, 9:43pm Top

>293 jjmcgaffey: - Well, but only if there are multiple copies could it count. If there's just one, it may as well be used, and we can't do used books in SantaThing since they might not still be available when we order.

Dec 5, 2012, 2:09am Top

Ah. And as far as I know there's no way to tell (sometimes it says Only x copies left! but sometimes it doesn't say anything but it goes away when you buy it from that buyer). So yeah, Fulfilled by Amazon doesn't work.

Dec 5, 2012, 8:49am Top

Reminder: Please don't forget to pick for your Santee! The deadline is tomorrow (Thursday) at noon EST (and we'd really rather you didn't wait until the very last possible second, please :-)

Dec 5, 2012, 9:02am Top

I'm pretty much ready to pick for my last Santee but the amount to spend still says TBD. Any idea when this will be nailed down?

Dec 5, 2012, 9:05am Top

>297 leahbird: - sorry, should be there now.

Dec 5, 2012, 10:21am Top

Jeremy, after the deadline for picking has passed, can other people jump in and pick as a substitute santa? Do I need to sign up ahead of time in order to do this?

Dec 5, 2012, 10:31am Top

Yes, we'll call for volunteers after. That'll be first-come, first-grab.

Dec 5, 2012, 10:40am Top

I just rechecked the books I picked and now one is only showing two copies left!

Bearing this in mind should I pick an alternative book and put it in as a comment just in case that one sells out?

Dec 5, 2012, 11:07am Top

How do we know if you have changed our picks or really ordered our picks ?
Can we let comments after tomorrow ?

Dec 5, 2012, 11:30am Top

#302 by Jonic> The elves are so busy that they REALLY don't want to add to their workload by repicking books. They will only do this if they have to because of availability or price change. If I remember correctly, they leave a message in the comments.

Dec 5, 2012, 6:14pm Top

Be a good idea for everyone to check to see that their santee's ISBNs actually got saved. There seem to be quite a few where the comments indicate that the giver has chosen but the givee is still listed as unpicked with no saved ISBNs. In a random check I just found two like that, and I found another one earlier in the day. I sent the earlier one a PM about it but I don't have time to do the others right now.

Dec 5, 2012, 6:48pm Top

Jeremy, I have a question. I am 78 cents over my limit..Is this okay? I got really good deals for my santee and I really hope this isn't a huge issue. Please let me know. Thanks.

Dec 5, 2012, 7:18pm Top

I agree with tardis, and it's also a good idea to check for price changes tonight or tomorrow morning to make sure they haven't changed (or sold out).

Also, I've noticed that many people have questions about exceeding the price limit. Can we please put out a general number that is "okay" to go over? I know that it's best to aim for below the limit, but it might be helpful for people to have a ballpark range for what is appropriate when exceeding that amount.

Dec 5, 2012, 7:21pm Top

Yeah - the ballpark range is "as little as possible". If there's a range for how far it's OK to go above, that indicates it's OK to go above...

Dec 5, 2012, 7:39pm Top

I don't think they've ever given a ballpark figure (and it makes sense that they wouldn't) but based on answers to specific questions, it seems to me that "and change" is okay (ie $30.78 would be fine; $31.15 would be pushing it). But try to stay under.

Dec 5, 2012, 7:51pm Top

I found four who, judging by their comments, seemed to be finished but were still in the unpicked. I sent each of them a private message earlier today.

There are also 3 (maybe 4) still in unpicked, but have ASINs listed in their comments section. Jeremy, should I send you a PM with the names or is that something you can easily find?

Dec 5, 2012, 7:54pm Top

>306 InfectiousOptimist:
You put a ballpark that for example .70 is okey and you will see a lot of people accepting that they should actually get over and start asking if they can go over that now accepted max :)

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Dec 5, 2012, 8:58pm Top

Yep, thanks everyone. Completely makes sense. I know that no overage is ideal, but the 70 cent range is a good thing to put out there so the same question isn't asked over and over again.

I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone ultimately chooses.

Dec 5, 2012, 11:27pm Top

>305 lilkim714: - I'm not going to give guidelines on this, other than what I've already said (as AnnieMod and others said, if I do, everyone will assume that it's okay to go over by X amount, and we really don't want that). As what we've put out says, the goal is to get as close as you can, without going over. Are we going to remove a book if you're a teensy bit over? Probably not, but no guarantees ...

>309 Bijou_Twinkletoes: - Feel free to ping the ones you find to me if you want. I'll look through the unpicked tomorrow morning myself, but if you've kept a list, it'll save me some time in the morning.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:29am Top

Can I just say that it is KILLING me that my name is still in the 'unpicked' list?! I didn't think I was that hard to shop for! :-)

Dec 6, 2012, 12:31am Top

>314 rosalita: I know the feeling, though I'm finally off the unpicked list. I'm so impatient to know if my Santee will like the books I picked, though. :)

Dec 6, 2012, 12:33am Top

#315 > Yes, same here. I was so excited to pick for my Santee the very first day, and ever since I have been re-visiting and re-considering and thinking about changing my picks, but I still like them. Now I want to know if they like them, too!

I just hope I don't end up as one of the orphaned Santees who never get claimed. It's like being the last kitten left at the pound.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:36am Top

>314 rosalita: I've been hanging out on the unpicked list too! I feel like a little kid again, with my fingers and toes crossed, in hope that I don't get picked last for kickball.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:37am Top

I'd like to say a special thanks to Jeremy for helping me over the glitches I ran into. Everything is in, chosen, and good to go. I am very grateful.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:38am Top

#317 > Well, at least I'm in good company!

Dec 6, 2012, 1:20am Top

I always like being picked a bit late. It usually means I'll have more suggestions to look at after the 24th! :)

But when I'm picked early, I assume it means my Santa knew the perfect book for me right away, which is also awesome.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:22am Top

>320 ryvre:

A late selection might just mean that the Santa is crazy busy and just had not had the time to spend the time such a task deserves... I am just starting on my Santee... :)

Dec 6, 2012, 2:58am Top

A question - and what are we doing if want to pick 6 books? With the 4 for 3 from Amazon, $40 are comfortably fitting 6 books (and I was not even trying to do that, I promise... it just happened)

Jeremy, I added the 6th in one of my comments - does this work? If not - let me know and I will see what I will figure out to rearrange the books...

Dec 6, 2012, 6:57am Top

>322 AnnieMod: - Usually five is the limit, but with $40, yeah, six could happen. In comments is fine, yep.

Dec 6, 2012, 7:08am Top

>323 jbd1:


Dec 6, 2012, 10:11am Top

Just noticed that two of the three books I picked on Monday at amazon.com have changed prices fairly significantly. One went from $6.40 to $10.88, which luckily was offset by another going from 14.45 to 10.17, so I'm still within the price range, but others selecting from this vendor might want to check as well.

Dec 6, 2012, 10:51am Top

When I checked my prices last night there was a change but it was in the favor of being cheaper for just one but as a prime member price so I won't change anything.

Dec 6, 2012, 11:22am Top

I'm hanging around here in case anyone needs help with some of the "unpicked" folks. I'm not sure how that works since this is my first time at SantaThing-ing, but shoot me a message if I can do anything.

Dec 6, 2012, 11:23am Top

Once it closes we'll announce (here) that the unpicked ones are up for grabs.

Dec 6, 2012, 11:54am Top

Thank goodness you guys reminded me to check Amazon! Two of the books I chose went from about $6 each to $12 each - way over my limit! Re-shopping for my santee now.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:03pm Top

I've noticed some Santas seem to be using the RRP price of the books rather than the current price. Have I missed something?

Dec 6, 2012, 12:04pm Top

Also (sorry I sound like I'm nitpicking) - 12 noon Eastern time is 5pm GMT not 9pm...

Dec 6, 2012, 12:08pm Top

>331 bethany89: - Yeah I forgot to change the GMT time from last year's in one place. It's noon EST.
>330 bethany89: - The current price at the store is what you should use (for some that'll be the same as the sticker price, others not).

Dec 6, 2012, 12:34pm Top

Are we soon to picking for santees that haven't been picked yet..because I already know who I want to pick for..

Dec 6, 2012, 12:35pm Top

>333 lilkim714: Yes, soon. Tim's still shopping for his :-)

Dec 6, 2012, 12:37pm Top


Dec 6, 2012, 12:51pm Top

Okay, it's rescue Santa time!


Dec 6, 2012, 12:54pm Top

how do we jump in and help choose?

Dec 6, 2012, 12:57pm Top

Click on the person's username. Then click on the "grab this" link - that sets you as their replacement Santa.

Dec 6, 2012, 12:59pm Top

Well phooey. I had 3 books picked out for someone but it took me a few seconds to realize that grab this (in order to choose for her) and someone else beat me to the punch.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:00pm Top

>339 lindapanzo: - feel free to suggest! (or PM the super-fast-pinch-Santa!)

Dec 6, 2012, 1:02pm Top

I grabbed a new Santee that I'm "saving", but I missed the whole conversation on e-books. That means kindle editions from amazon, right? What do we put for the ISBN?

Dec 6, 2012, 1:06pm Top

>341 InfectiousOptimist: - Yes, only Kindle from Amazon. Use the ASIN for the ISBN. Add a real ISBN to the fifth slot (so the picks will save), but note that in comments so we don't think you meant to order it.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:13pm Top

I picked for a couple of the orphaned Santee, I hope that helps. Unfortunately looking at those remaining unpicked, I can't think of anything as they're too far from my own tastes, so I'll leave those for other people!

Edited: Dec 6, 2012, 1:33pm Top

I picked one of the orphaned Santees and our reading tastes are so well matched - more than my own Santee. ;)

Problem? I picked two books and have $6.92 left over and can't find something appropriate around that price. Any suggestions?

Never mind: mission accomplished!

Dec 6, 2012, 1:28pm Top

Why are there some Santees that are showing as unpicked but not as needing a replacement Santa? There's one in that category that I'd be a pretty good match for.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:29pm Top

>345 lorax: - They're ones that have been claimed by pinch-Santas already.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:30pm Top

#345 I think those have replacement santas who are in the process of choosing.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:34pm Top

Thank you! That was a ton of fun. I picked a Santee that has tastes just like mine. Fingers crossed, hope she likes my choices.

Dec 6, 2012, 1:39pm Top

The third book I picked (see #344) is from the bargain bin on Amazon.ca but when I put in the ISBN again, it shows me the full price and links to bargain price. Would you please purchase the bargain price as it's my third book to balance out the dollar amount. I'm describing this in my Santee's comments, too.

Dec 6, 2012, 2:17pm Top

>349 Sarine:.. I am having the same problem with my amazon picks for my santees...I made a note on their comment page thing and I am hoping that they notice this when picking because if not, the whole thing is thrown off.

Dec 6, 2012, 2:23pm Top

Thanks, replacement Santas! The picking process is now CLOSED, and we're beginning the ordering!

Dec 6, 2012, 2:30pm Top

Thanks for doing this again this year. I know it's a tremendous amount of work for all of the LT staff but it's such fun for me. It's my favorite way to add to my own wishlist and share great reads with others. I really appreciate it.

Dec 6, 2012, 2:59pm Top

>352 tottman:..I totally agree with this sentiment. Santathing is always something that I look forward to every holiday season and it makes Christmas so fun for this booklover. I really appreciate all the work that goes into doing something like this. It really is a truly amazing experience. Thanks LT.

Dec 6, 2012, 3:13pm Top

>352 tottman: and 353

I just wanted to reiterate this, and express that I feel the same way. It was a wonderful way to spend the beginning of my holiday season. I will undoubtedly be participating in many years to come. Thank you "elves"!

Dec 6, 2012, 3:15pm Top

I wish there was a like button so that I could like the 3 above posts. I love doing this every year. My family things I crazy because I get excited right after I sign up. Thanks for all the work you guys do!!

Dec 6, 2012, 3:51pm Top

All of the above starting at 352. I found LibraryThing a few days before Hurricane Gustav was going to hit at cat 5 thinking my house would be damaged I wanted to keep track of my books. Thankfully it didn't happen and in joining this website not only did I get to join santathing but I got to meet so e of the most amazing people.

Dec 6, 2012, 5:12pm Top

ALSO all of the above starting at 352, and for wanting a Like button. THANK YOU LibraryThing folks for doing this. Happy Holidays to all of you!

Dec 6, 2012, 5:16pm Top

Orders just went out to BookDepository and Longfellow. Tomorrow we start in on the others.

Dec 6, 2012, 5:37pm Top

I had time to pinch pick for one santee before I had to head out this afternoon, and between them and my own two, I had as much fun as I always do. As everyone above has said, thanks so much for doing this! It's definitely become one of my favorite holiday traditions.

Dec 6, 2012, 7:09pm Top

Tim/JBD1, like you guys don't have enough to do, and we really appreciate all you do, but if you could create a SantaThing account that lists all the books everyone requested, that would be wonderful. You did it for the dark and stormy night that was SantaThing 2010. Maybe just one SantaThing account that we could friend or follow and put each year as a different collection. Thanx again! Merry Christmas!

Dec 6, 2012, 7:15pm Top

>360 mahsdad: - After the ordering, maybe. Not until then for sure :-)

Dec 6, 2012, 7:20pm Top

That was a blast! I picked up a couple of needy Santees, neither of which had the same book tastes as mine. However, after reading suggestions offered by other members, and perusing the Santees' libraries, I think I made some good picks!

Dec 6, 2012, 7:24pm Top

>360 mahsdad: & 361 This would be a good member project. Something like Legacy Libraries where multiple people could input data. Free you guys up to get back to your work work. And give us something else to obsess over!

Dec 6, 2012, 7:26pm Top

>363 leahbird: - Well it's actually pretty simple to do (just a matter of grabbing all the ISBNs and importing them). But we need to get the ordering done first (and we don't want to spoil surprises!)

Dec 6, 2012, 8:33pm Top

Oh dear. I think I did the math wrong, and aimed for $30 (which I chose) instead of $25 (the amount my pickee chose). I could claim baby-related sleep deprivation, but am mad at myself for making such a stupid mistake! We'll see what the postman brings... .

Dec 6, 2012, 8:37pm Top

The book prices for my santee all sky-rocketed. How do I change my selection? It was $.50 under before, now it's almost ten dollars over!

Dec 6, 2012, 8:41pm Top

>365 chazzard:/6 - we'll remove a book when we order, probably. If you have preferences as to which, you can leave a comment on the Santa-page and we'll try to go with that.

Dec 6, 2012, 8:57pm Top

>361 jbd1: - Oh I figured it wouldn't be til well after Christmas, I just wanted to put a bug in your ear. If it doesn't work out, no biggy. I'm sure a lot of us use Tags, and will tag our Santathing gifts.

Edited: Dec 8, 2012, 2:28am Top


Dec 8, 2012, 10:25am Top

I either had a second package from Mark's Christmas swap or my SantaThing books arrived on the same day that they were ordered. I guess that it's the earlier thing, but I had to double-check my Amazon orders to make sure that I hadn't ordered something I hadn't remembered ordering so I could check the tracking numbers. If it was my SantaThing books, thank you to my Santa. I'll have to wait until Christmas to open them since the rules on the other say no peeking until December 25.

Dec 8, 2012, 10:35am Top

>370 thornton37814: - It may be, actually - wow. Amazon says yours shipped from Atlanta last night and arrived in TN this morning ...

Dec 8, 2012, 10:38am Top

Wow is right!

Dec 8, 2012, 10:44am Top

Oh, and by way of update: As Tim posted earlier, the Book Depository and Longfellow orders went out to the booksellers on Thursday night. Yesterday most of the staff helped out for a while and we got just about all the Amazon.com orders done (I finished up most of the remainder this morning, and we had address issues with a few so I'm waiting to hear back from those folks). Today (and tomorrow too probably, since I don't know that I'll be able to get through them all before my eyes go buggy) I'm ordering from Powells, and on Monday will power through the Amazon.ca/.co.uk/.de/.fr/.it ones.

Dec 8, 2012, 11:20am Top

#371 by jbd1> Looks like you better start that arrivals thread early!

Dec 8, 2012, 11:22am Top

>374 leahbird: - Yeah, but I'm gonna wait til all the ORDERS are out, at least :-)

Dec 8, 2012, 11:50am Top

I'd be happy to help you out with those Powell's orders, Jeremy. Just give me ... oh say, all the usernames that start with R to begin. ;-D

Dec 8, 2012, 7:23pm Top

Wow. That was a long day :-) Taking a break while I wait for the arrival of the gift card to cover the last six Powell's orders. Depending on when that appears in my inbox, I'll finish them up either tonight or tomorrow.

Dec 8, 2012, 10:24pm Top

I wish I could email you a big bottle of your beverage of choice. Since that technology is woefully behind, here's a virtual slap on the back (or a shoulder rub if you've been hunched over the computer all day). WAY TO GO!

Dec 8, 2012, 10:33pm Top

Thank you, ALL, who work hard in order to make Santa Thing WORK!


Dec 8, 2012, 10:42pm Top

I second that.
Those of us that participate in the giver/givee aspect of SantaThing always greatly enjoy it, but I doubt many us truly understand the work that goes into it behind the scene.
I'm not gonna lie, I've never even questioned how the website talks to all the bookstores and coordinates everything. I'm sure some part of me thought it was an algorithm that sent out alerts to the websites on the different accounts.
I can't even begin to comprehend how difficult this is of task to undertake, and I applaud those of you who work to make it a reality.

Dec 8, 2012, 10:56pm Top

Yes, we truly do appreciate all the work the LT staff do just so we all can have some Christmas fun.

Dec 8, 2012, 11:38pm Top

Just wanted to ask a question - logged in today to see that I had a message that I hadn't picked for my Santee- I picked last weekend before I went on my 24/7 on call shift. Is it all ok? I don't want them to be left out because I had a busy work roster!

Dec 9, 2012, 2:07am Top

>382 birdsam0610:

If someone did not have books picked, there were volunteer Santas that took care of them. Noone was left without books.

Dec 9, 2012, 9:48am Top

And it was FUN having extra Santees to pick for! :)

Dec 9, 2012, 10:29am Top

>382 birdsam0610: Also, if you're talking about the profile message from Jeremy at 10am on Dec 5, everyone got that message, whether they were done picking or not.

Dec 9, 2012, 10:36am Top

>385 norabelle414: - True, but it said different things if you'd picked already or hadn't picked already. birdsam0610 - your picks hadn't saved right, but we figured out what you meant from the comments you left, so we got them ordered. No worries!

To all (and I'll say this again in the reminders thread tomorrow): as usual, some ST shipments will be split up, so you may get multiple packages.

Dec 10, 2012, 1:50am Top

So Amazon.com packages are already arriving? UPS sent me a notification that I'm getting a package from Amazon soon, but I didn't order anything. I want to wait to open it if it's SantaThing.

Dec 10, 2012, 2:27am Top

Hi, and thanks for all your work, you "Santa Elves",
Just wondering when the "Link, Title, Price" info is filled in for our Santee?

Dec 10, 2012, 2:58am Top

It's not -- it is a leftover from last year (I remember reading this somewhere from Jeremy but no real memories where)

Edited: Dec 10, 2012, 3:21am Top

389> Further up this thread, I believe - yeah, 170 and thereafter.

Dec 10, 2012, 4:51am Top

Thanks, #389, #390.

Though that info. was usefull for "next year" ;-)

Dec 10, 2012, 7:37am Top

>387 kgodey: - Yes, they'll be arriving (I bet quite a few will come today, given how fast they seem to be shipping).

>388 guido47: - Those won't fill in. We used them when only one bookstore was a choice - now that there are different bookstores to choose from it doesn't work quite the same way :-)

Dec 10, 2012, 8:42am Top

Please pardon my intrusion. I have skimmed over this thread and it sounds like you don't have to go to the store or to the post office to play this game. If that's right, I will play next year.

Dec 10, 2012, 10:22am Top

>393 Collectorator:

You pay via Paypal. Then you select books for people on a page here in LT. And then you get books selected by someone else.

All ordering is done by LT. No post office and/or bookstores trips.

Dec 10, 2012, 12:29pm Top

I noticed that for one of the people I picked for, a mod has commented to say that they made a substitution to what I picked as the price had fluctuated and pushed it over the limit - which is fair enough, I know I was very close to the limit for that one and if the price went up then that's unfortunate. But I was just wondering if it is possible to find out what the substitution was/what books were sent to the Santee? More for my own curiosity than anything else, but it would be nice to know.

Dec 10, 2012, 12:31pm Top

>395 kjforrest: - Once I get all the ordering done, remind me and I'll be happy to see. But not until all the orders are out, sorry.

Dec 10, 2012, 1:26pm Top

>396 jbd1: - It's definitely not something I expected you to do instantly, I know you're all busy with the orders. I'll drop you a message in a few days. Thanks :)

Dec 10, 2012, 3:55pm Top

Curious. Above it is stated that, roughly, $40=£25. I carefully selected my Santee's gifts, and at the time and now the three books I picked add up to 25.20 pounds. Surprised to read that the third book (4.19 pounds) was removed from the order to meet the target.

The Santee was Bowerbirds-Library. I know in the past the prices jumped around. Is that what happened this time? If so it is annoying that it went up and then back down again.

Anyway, I appreciate the significant amount of quick work that goes into administering this, so don;t want this to seem too much of a complaint.

Edited: Dec 10, 2012, 4:14pm Top

>398 Capybara_99: - See your profile (I've left a comment there).

Generally - if you have specific questions about changes that had to be made, just leave me a profile comment, please (that way I don't have to post here and potentially spoil surprises, &c.). I'll answer as quickly as I can. But really, we tried our best to leave the orders as they were made. Changes were only made where the totals were over (or under, since that happened too) by a fairly significant amount.

Dec 11, 2012, 12:04pm Top

What do people think is the easiest price choice to shop for? High is nice but does a price increase make it easier or does it play out the same way - struggling to fit the dollar amount?

Dec 11, 2012, 12:10pm Top

Just by way of another update: all the orders (save two with address issues) are ordered and should be on their way already or very soon!

Dec 11, 2012, 12:34pm Top

-400... I found the $40 pretty good - nice fit for 4 books. $35 woulda been hard, too low for 4, too high for 3.

Dec 11, 2012, 12:41pm Top

Just anecdotally from doing the ordering, $40 seemed like a pretty good price point - it felt like people had an easier time getting in the $35-39.99 range than, say, $20-24.99 or $15-19.99. As Tim said at one point Friday while we were all ordering, "$40 just works!". The others are doable too, of course (and with Powell's pricing the $15 and $30 options worked quite well since so many trade paperbacks fit in there beautifully) - but that's just my impression from ordering, and I'd certainly like to hear what the shoppers thought too :-)

Dec 11, 2012, 12:45pm Top

>400 mkboylan:

It makes a difference what kind of books you're looking for. $20 was very difficult for nonfiction. Most nonfiction books were in the $14-$17 range. A single book wouldn't come close enough to the target, but two would be too expensive.
I think it would have been easier to find 2 fiction books for that price.

Dec 11, 2012, 1:25pm Top

Thanks for replies. Think I'll go with $40 in future. Good point about type of book.

Now I'm on to worrying that I'm adding stuff my Santa got to my read in 2012 list. Altho I'm mostly reading library books that I would still like to own right now. Saving the ones I own for upcoming trip.

Dec 11, 2012, 1:29pm Top

#400: I think $20 would be fine for nonfiction too. My Santee had a $30 limit - I got two nonfiction books for within a few cents of $20 and a fiction book for within a few cents of $10. I just hope my Santee will like them ...

$15 might be the most difficult, as there is less room to play with the prices. It would have to be one book of quite exactly $15, or two books that are both cheap and good, and that add up right. I'm not sure I would like the really high price ranges either - you start to get the option of really expensive books, and that is as risky as it's lovely. Getting the wrong book for $20 does not feel as bad as getting the wrong book for $40. I guess it feels less like a game at the higher prices.

Edited: Dec 11, 2012, 2:14pm Top

I liked buying for a $40 person because I felt like I was getting them a good deal for their money. With the lower prices, it's harder--do I get fewer books I'm sure they'll like, or more books that they won't hate, but might not love either? Plus, when I buy books for myself, I buy used almost exclusively, so new books always comes with a bit of sticker shock.

On the other hand, my first list of potential picks added up to nearly $80. With books, there is no moderation.

Dec 11, 2012, 2:44pm Top

My Santee had a $15 limit last year and I found that very difficult to shop for. For fiction at least, it seems like the prices fall in the $8, $9, or $10 ranges. It's really hard to find anything relatively current for less than that. This year, my santees had $25 and $30 limits respectively and I found that a lot easier.

I opted for $40 myself and was really glad that option was there, although I understand it might not be for everyone.

Dec 11, 2012, 3:00pm Top

$30 and $40 both work (I find it easier to shop for $40 but $30 is also doable). Anything under 30 is an exercise in number crunching...

Dec 11, 2012, 3:56pm Top

I agree it depends on the kinds of books. I chose $35 for myself because many of the paperbacks I order typically cost around $11 or $12 on Amazon, and ebooks are usually around $10 or $12 too. Assuming my ST chose books similar to the ones I usually get, that should safely give 3 quality books. $40 just felt like I would have a lot of money left unspent or too many sacrifices made to get four books squeezed in, but maybe that's just me.

Dec 11, 2012, 4:05pm Top

My santee chose $30 and it was pretty easy to find 3 nice novels - $8, $9, and $12. I couldn't get everything I wanted, and had to pick and choose, but it wasn't overwhelmingly frustrating. I signed up for $40 and can't wait to see what my santa found for me.

Dec 11, 2012, 4:30pm Top

My santee chose $30 and it was a good amount -- two books at slightly over $10 and one at $7.50.

I also chose $30, which the thought that that's about the cost of two trade paperbacks.

Dec 11, 2012, 6:08pm Top

I had 3 santees this year, one $15, one $20 and one $40. The Santee that opted in for $40 was by far the easiest to shop for.

Dec 11, 2012, 7:37pm Top

Last year my Santee chose $15, it was challenging to find two books for that and I didn't want to pick only one in case she wouldn't like it. In the end I wasn't quite happy with it, because my first choices all proved unaffordable.

This year I had a budget of $30 and managed to get 4 books out of it (two for $6,99 and two for $7,99). I'm also a lot more confident in my choices. With a bigger budget I find it easier to take risks, because you can pick one or two "safe" books and spend the rest on something that you think your Santee will enjoy, even if it's not explicitly asked for. The lower the budget, the more compromises you have to make.

Edited: Dec 12, 2012, 4:09pm Top

Except for the very new books, books under $10 in Amazon are 4 for 3. It excludes the usual paperbacks but if the genres allow and the "best" books are not the newest ones, this allows for some more books if you are in the higher sums. :)

Dec 12, 2012, 2:12pm Top

My books arrived today and I am very pleased with the selections. This was a lot of fun! I'm wondering where we can read a message from our Secret Santa? I know I wrote something to my Santee. Do we ever get to know who our Secret Santa is?

Dec 12, 2012, 2:12pm Top

>416 Penske: - On 12/25 you'll be able to access your ST page and find out your Santa's name, yep!

Dec 12, 2012, 4:02pm Top

I had a $35 budget and that seemed ample. I was able to find two really appropriate books and a nice extra classic paperback for cheap money to round it out. I spent within $0.60 of my budgeted amount so it felt like a good value. I signed up for $15 and regret that now; I would probably go for $35 or $40 next time for flexibility for my picker and more books for me.

Dec 12, 2012, 4:07pm Top

416 - Great! Thanks!

Dec 13, 2012, 5:50am Top

Argh!! The suspense is killing me. Plus, I have to keep stopping myself from buying books just in case they are in my secret santa package. I know it's not like I'm likely to run out of anything to read while I wait, but still...

Dec 13, 2012, 5:56am Top

When shopping for my Santees I tend to pick a lot of 'classics' 'cause a.) they are usually really cheap- so I get a lot more bang for my buck and b.) I figure if people are like me these are books that everyone INTENDS to read one day, but don't always get around to, so it's nice to have them land in your lap. Or else, I find anthologies are good too as a way of helping a Santee find new authors to pursue.

Dec 13, 2012, 6:47am Top

A tiny package arrived from Amazon last night... was excited and disappointed at the same time 'cause it was way too small to hold more than one book. Opened it up and it was wrapped inside - thought that was very weird. Turns out it was a present from someone I haven't heard from in ages!

Dec 16, 2012, 11:04pm Top

Received my books on Saturday from Powell's. I live in Springfield, MO. Thanks to the sender!

Dec 17, 2012, 3:40pm Top

Are you able to know who your Santa Thing sender is so that you can message them?

Dec 17, 2012, 3:49pm Top

>424 JenniWindsor: - On 12/25 we'll open up the SantaThing page so you can see your Santa (also some of the packing slips will have the Santa's name, but only some of them).

Edited: Dec 19, 2012, 2:53am Top

How bad! I have just gone to my santee's profile just to see if he/she had already received the books and I have seen that since I picked the books +100 new ones have been added to the library. I picked four books and it seems that he/she has one of them already :(

I don't know when were they added but I know that I picked the books on the first day just to make sure I didn't forget about it.

Dec 18, 2012, 3:41pm Top

elwen, don't worry about it. It's not your fault.

I've been trying to not buy any books that are on my wishlist, because I didn't want to duplicate what my Santa might pick.

Dec 19, 2012, 3:04am Top

(just being a bit impatient here - feel free to ignore)

On the map, I am right in the middle of a triangle of people who already received their books. And I have been for four days. Oh, the suspense... The other people are in big cities though, and I am in a small town, so that may explain it's a bit slower here.

In case the books are really delayed, I can see which books they are on the SantaThing page on the 25th, right? I'm not buying books on my wishlist either until I know what I'm getting, and my parents-in-law have just given me my birthday money, and I want to spend it on books! Now!
Then, (second-hand) books will probably go down in price after Christmas. More supply, less demand.

Dec 19, 2012, 11:41am Top


I've created my own whiny "Where are my books?" thread here:


Feel free to come and commiserate with us!

Dec 19, 2012, 1:48pm Top

Okay, note to self for a new rule to add for next year: if you're getting SantaThing as a gift for somebody else and having it shipped directly to them, TELL THEM. Turns out people don't like to be surprised by books arriving (apparently) and have them shipped back, wreaking all sorts of havoc. Le sigh.

Dec 19, 2012, 3:26pm Top

>430 jbd1: Turns out people don't like to be surprised by books arriving
What is wrong with these people!?

Dec 19, 2012, 3:28pm Top

>431 norabelle414:- I know, right?

Dec 19, 2012, 4:21pm Top

That was my thought too. Who are these anti-book people? Why didn't they do the natural and correct thing of running into the house with their box of mystery books shouting "SANTA DOES EXIST!!" ;)

(Of course, I would also be worried that a poor soul was missing the books they ordered. But perhaps not worried enough to send the books back without thorough investigation.)

Dec 19, 2012, 7:51pm Top

They may have been thinking that they were going to have to pay for those out of the blue books...

Dec 20, 2012, 7:50am Top

They don't remember that they signed up?

Dec 20, 2012, 8:24am Top

>435 mysterymax: - These are folks who got signed up by others, as gifts. My note to self was a reminder for next year to say that if you're signing someone else up for SantaThing, just tell them to expect some books :-)

Dec 26, 2012, 11:16am Top

Looking at the SantaThing arrivals map it appears that Longfellow Books is very slow to send out the books?? I chose Longfellow because they are close (one state away) and I wanted to support an independent bookstore, however their slowness will deter me from choosing them next year should SantaThing lure me again.

Dec 26, 2012, 12:50pm Top

>437 KClaire: - It did take Longfellow longer to get their books out - for the vast majority of the choices they had to order the books into the store and then ship them out (like most indie bookstores would), so it took longer. They were sent via FedEx and most have arrived, though. That said, there were some books that weren't available and I haven't gotten that list from them yet so that we can order substitutes (as you might imagine with a very small shop, they were a little busy right before Christmas). It was my understanding that at least a first shipment was sent to everyone who ordered from them, but it's possible that wasn't the case and I'm sure once we get the list of books we need to get substitutes for there will be another batch of shipments from them. Yes, though, it does take a little longer. Sorry.

Dec 26, 2012, 1:04pm Top

I chose Longfellow books, and even though it has taken longer, I will probably choose them again because they are an independent bookstore, not a huge multi-corporate conglomerate. Locally I try to buy from the small business rather than the big box superstore.

What's a few days, anyway?

Dec 26, 2012, 1:07pm Top

leahbird wrote (Of course, I would also be worried that a poor soul was missing the books they ordered. But perhaps not worried enough to send the books back without thorough investigation.)

ROFL, I just noticed this comment...love it!

Dec 26, 2012, 8:09pm Top

Yeah places like Amazon that use wage slaves do get orders out faster. I try to support small businesses but just don't always manage, especially when I'm in a hurry. E.g. Imsupport small coffee houses but when I'm traveling I always know what a chain will have and can't always resist. Sad part is there's no reason Amazon can't do the great job they do AND treat workers well. I like Powells as a happy medium. If they treat people poorly, please don't anyone tell me! Thank you!

Dec 27, 2012, 9:07am Top

I still am not seeing a way to message my Santa Thing sender. Is there somewhere specific I need to look?

Dec 27, 2012, 9:13am Top

>442 JenniWindsor: If you go to their profile and go all the way down to the bottom, you should be able to send them a message.

Dec 27, 2012, 5:16pm Top

I'm confused! I was chosen to be a Santa tor someone (fuzzi) - she was submitted by a friend (shooting_star28272) and she also joined herself. I got three books for her from Longfellow Books. Today I checked to see if she had received them and I can't find the info on the "Picked" list. I sent a message to her and she has not received them, only the books from the other Santa. I just want to make sure that my order was placed and, if so, what happened to it. If not, how can I fix this?

Dec 28, 2012, 9:48am Top

I am a little confused too?

Dec 28, 2012, 11:01am Top

How do I even find out who was sending books to me?

Dec 28, 2012, 11:24am Top

I'm confused. You are not even in the list of participating members: http://www.librarything.com/santathing.php

Dec 28, 2012, 2:30pm Top

Hmmm.....sounds like a glitch occurred somewhere and shooting_star28272 got paired up with fuzzi and then I got her name. At this point I'm not sure if the books I selected were ordered!

Dec 28, 2012, 2:57pm Top

I did receive a book. It is all rather confusing isn't it :(

Edited: Dec 28, 2012, 6:22pm Top

TheFlamingoReads, I received True Grit and A Dog About Town. My Santa was beserene. :)

Edited: Dec 28, 2012, 5:58pm Top

anglemark, she is on my list:

Your SantaThings
fuzzi. "Check out my wishlist, which should give some clues about what I would appreciate. I love older books, in used good condition is fine, as long as they are not musty...." (0 comments) (edit)
fuzzi (shooting_star28272), private (0 comments) (edit)

Edited: Dec 28, 2012, 6:24pm Top

From the sponsorship thread (http://www.librarything.com/topic/144761#t) shooting_star28272, you had a mystery donor after you gave away your donor:

I am going to give my mystery sponsorship to ladylenneth's friend, we talked about her in private message. I work sometimes close to 70 hours a week and hardly get to read and even though I love books this little boy needs it more then me. I am very thankful for my mystery donor and hope they understand this is what I felt God wanted me to do, God bless you whoever you are once again.

leahbird $30 - valkylee
MerryMary- kcrisell
majkia -sahra & daughter
ForeignCircus - pmarshall & lydiasbooks
mystery donor - ladylenneth's friend's son
harmen - bluesalamanders
ChickLitFan - ladylenneth
BeastieMom - jthelwell
nancy.kast - KimberlyGScott
mystery donor - seldombites's daughter 3 & son
AnnieMod - bladereaper12, xhollishx, pausanias
xorscape - seldombites's daughters 1 & 2
mystery donor- shooting_star28272
anglemark - bluesalamanders's sister
riida - bladereaper12's brother

(I added the hyphens to make it clearer)

So, shooting_star28272 WAS supposed to receive a book.

Dec 28, 2012, 6:54pm Top

As fuzzi said, shooting_starr28272 received 2 mystery sponsorships. One went to a little boy named Ryan and the second went to her. Looking at the SantaThing page, these look correct but I don't see TheFlamingoReads as matched with either of those. I'm not sure where the problem is.

Dec 28, 2012, 8:08pm Top

"fuzzi(shooting_star28272), private (0 comments) (edit)" is exactly what I saw when I went to find out who I got. When I went to the page where it shows the form that everyone fills out, it said that I was her Santa. I guess that Jeremy will have to figure this out!

Dec 29, 2012, 5:42am Top

All, I was replying to the post directly above me. Sorry for being unclear.

Dec 29, 2012, 6:45am Top

Sorry to misunderstand, anglemark, and thank you for assisting JenniWindsor. :)

Dec 31, 2012, 9:47am Top

As of today, New Years Eve, I have not received my book(s) from Longfellow Books in Maine. I live North of Boston. It is more than a few days. Feeling neglected.

Jan 2, 2013, 10:09am Top

I have received my books from Longfellow, I got "The Book Thief"! I'm not so sure about the choice, but I'm excited that someone thought of me.

Jan 2, 2013, 10:10am Top

I'm not sure I understand why I can't see you sent me books or why I'm not on some list according to anglemark. I selected books for someone and also received books but I have no idea who sent them so that I can message them to thank them. If anyone is reading this and selected books for me, then thank you. I'm unsure how else to find out who you are and posting on here hasn't been any help. Sorry.

Jan 2, 2013, 10:11am Top

KClaire, I think that I was your secret santa. Didn't you ask for a jewelry-making book? I did place an order before the due date.

Jan 2, 2013, 10:12am Top

If you're looking to see who your Santa was - go to http://www.librarything.com/santathing.php, click on your username in the "Your SantaThings" section, and scroll down to the "Secret Santa" section - you'll see the username of your Santa and can click through to the profile page to leave a thank-you comment if you like.

Jan 2, 2013, 12:47pm Top

(461) I have two, and this one won't show me anything:

fuzzi (shooting_star28272), private (0 comments) (edit)

Plus I have not received the books she requested for me...?

Jan 2, 2013, 1:58pm Top

>462 fuzzi: - Yeah, something bizarro is up with that one. Looking into it.

Jan 2, 2013, 2:05pm Top

Hello krao,
Thanks, Secret Santa! I have not received anything yet, boo hoo. I think it is a problem with Longfellow Books, because the last time I looked at the arrivals map there is only one person pinned (in Maine) who received something from Longfellow's. Of course, it could be that not very many people chose Longfellow Books? Anyways, it is Jan. 2, and it is disappointing that my book(s) have not arrived.
btw: "The Book Thief," if you have not read it, was a great SantaThing choice, especially since you teach high school. You might want to consider it for your school's summer reading list.

Jan 2, 2013, 4:06pm Top

Thank you for trying to help, but when I follow your instructions, all I get is a blank page and nothing to scroll down too.

Jan 2, 2013, 4:10pm Top

>465 JenniWindsor: - Ah, your ST profile is private (but *you* should be able to see it ...). Anyway, your Secret Santa was mooingzelda: http://www.librarything.com/profile/mooingzelda

Jan 2, 2013, 4:32pm Top

What a wonderful name!

Jan 3, 2013, 10:16am Top

New Year. And have still not received any books... Do I have to start worrying? They have to come from Book Depository. And it happened to me before that a book from them got 'lost'. Probably not their fault; the Dutch mail service is not very reliable at the moment (at least that is what I gather from twitter; that one book was the only thing I didn't receive as far as I know).

Jan 3, 2013, 11:10am Top

>468 TessaSlingerland: Book Depository books occasionally take over a month to reach me here in Belgium. They're not exactly reliable with their shipping speed. I wouldn't worry quite yet.

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