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1jasbro
Edited: Feb 23, 2013, 8:30am Top

Please continue to review and revise "Series to Publisher Series" requests from our prior thread at http://www.librarything.com/topic/102356 , but post further discussion and requests to this new thread. For context (and plenty of places to start!), pease see post #1 of the prior thread, http://www.librarything.com/topic/102356#2302835 -- Thank you!

2jasbro
Edited: Feb 23, 2013, 8:29am Top

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4rsterling
Edited: Jun 23, 2013, 3:01pm Top

Series: Φιλοσοφική και Πολιτική Βιβλιοθήκη / Γνώση

http://www.librarything.com/series/%CE%A6%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%86%CE...

Needs to be moved to publisher series and to the Greek LT site, not the English site.
ETA Here's a page for the publisher series. I moved one book over:
http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/%CE%A6%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BF...

5SimoneA
Jun 24, 2013, 8:51am Top

Both rororo series and the Greek series have been moved to publisher series on the appropriate language page.

6jasbro
Edited: Aug 3, 2013, 1:17pm Top

A call for thoughts, suggestions, opinions, & advice, please:

Pomegranate Artbooks (San Francisco, CA) published a Series, mostly by Carla Lind, that they call "Wright at a Glance" { http://www.librarything.com/series/Wright%2520at%2520a%2520Glance } not to be confused with a similarly-named "Frank Lloyd Wright at a Glance" Series by Doreen Ehrlich & Abby Moor, published by PRC (2001-2002) { http://www.librarything.com/series/Frank+Lloyd+Wright+at+a+Glance }. The Problem, if it is such, is that two Works (published by Pomegranate) appear on LT with the Series name "Wright at a Glance" embedded in Titles for multiple records, but each appears to reprint earlier Works instead of being new content for the Series. The two are: Frank Lloyd Wright's Fifty Views of Japan: The 1905 Photo Album, and The House Beautiful.

My quandry: Are two reprint Titles sufficient to warrant pulling all these Works to a Publisher Series, instead of a distinct Series in their own right? Should we omit the two, just making a Series of all Carla Lind Works? Should we make both a Series of Carla Lind's, and a Publishers Series of those PLUS the two reprints? (Am I mistaken in my belief they all go together somehow?)

I'm confuzzled. Thanks for your help!

ETA: Series links.

7rsterling
Oct 5, 2013, 2:43pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/series/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institute+of+Earl...

Definitely a publisher series, and also includes some reprints of old (e.g. 18th century) texts.

8Muscogulus
Edited: Oct 23, 2013, 12:41pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/series/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institute+of+Earl...

http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institut...

This is a series of historical monographs, but not all of them were commissioned by the series publisher. Robert Beverley's History and Present State of Virginia, dating from 1705, certainly was not published with this modern series in mind. Its modern scholarly edition is part of the series, but even that edition has been reprinted by another publisher, outside the series. So the case seems clear.

I do regret that there is no space for a series description with this publisher series.

P.S. I posted this without realizing that rsterling (#7) had flagged the same series!

10jasbro
Edited: Jan 16, 2014, 8:07am Top

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11MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 13, 2014, 5:36am Top

12AnnieMod
Jan 13, 2014, 6:03am Top

>10 jasbro:

Why? The selections are unique and are never published outside of the Akashic series - and that constitutes a valid series in LT.

13jasbro
Jan 16, 2014, 8:09am Top

> 12: Good point, and apologies. Although, honestly, I'm unsure now why I brought it up in the first place. Advancing age, maybe? 8)

14AnnieMod
Jan 16, 2014, 12:42pm Top

>13 jasbro: :) That's why it is called group effort, right? :)

15AnnieMod
Jan 22, 2014, 2:35pm Top

Am I missing something here or should that one be really a publisher series? http://www.librarything.com/series/Amber+mini

162wonderY
Jan 22, 2014, 2:58pm Top

Look like it should be a publisher series. But since that entry is way to the bottom of the main work page, it's likely some people don't know there is a difference here.

17MarthaJeanne
Jan 22, 2014, 3:56pm Top

Looks like it may be a Polish publishers series.

20MarthaJeanne
Mar 4, 2014, 3:35pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/series/New+Testament+Library

The series description mentions ' classic volumes of scholarship. ' some of which were first published in German.

22MarthaJeanne
Mar 4, 2014, 4:40pm Top

Thank you. I started...

23MarthaJeanne
Edited: Apr 3, 2014, 4:15am Top

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25MarthaJeanne
Apr 15, 2014, 2:59pm Top

>24 jjwilson61: This one is done. The member was working at cross purposes to me, so I PMed, and we finished it together.

26MarthaJeanne
Edited: Apr 17, 2014, 3:37am Top

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27Michael.Rimmer
Edited: Apr 18, 2014, 7:45am Top

http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Civilization+of+the+American+Indian+Serie...

This books Series should be a Publisher Series. 234 titles, which I don't have the time or will to move, but I highlight it in case anybody's looking for a project :-)

Edit:
Actually, here is the Publisher Series that somebody kicked off with 1 title: http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Civilization+of+the+American+Indian

28MarthaJeanne
Edited: Apr 18, 2014, 8:12am Top

I hadn't seen that. I moved a few and added everything with links from the description to http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/The+Civilization+of+the+American+Ind...

This title has the advantage that you can just cut and paste.

I've now moved that one book from series and the old publisher series.

29eromsted
Apr 18, 2014, 9:25am Top

>27 Michael.Rimmer:, 28
No. I will put it back.

See all the old threads on the meaning of series and publishers series for my arguments. I don't feel like saying it all again.

30Michael.Rimmer
Apr 18, 2014, 1:32pm Top

I found a thread where you discussed this series, but there are 188 posts and I don't feel like reading them all - is there a summary that you could point me to?

31jjwilson61
Apr 18, 2014, 2:22pm Top

30> The gist is that if all those books were only released by one publisher for the purpose of them being in that one series then it's a legitimate Series by LibraryThing standards (as per the Dummies Guide series rule).

32Michael.Rimmer
Apr 18, 2014, 2:37pm Top

Thanks, JJ :-)

I can't say that I agree. That would seem to be the very definition of a Publisher Series to me. On the other hand, I don't feel the need to enter the debate, so I'll just walk away. Thanks for the clarification, though.

33MarthaJeanne
Apr 18, 2014, 2:53pm Top

From the series description you can see that several books do not fit in the LT definition of series, therefore a FULL list has to be publisher series.

34eromsted
Apr 18, 2014, 3:16pm Top

>33 MarthaJeanne:
Right. So I put l put links to the few works that were not originally published for the series in the description box so all of the volumes can be accessed from the same page. Moving the whole series based on those works gains little, if any, functionality for those works and removes significant functionality for the hundreds of volumes that were originally published for the series. It is not a good trade.

35jjwilson61
Apr 18, 2014, 3:23pm Top

>32 Michael.Rimmer: The problem is that Publisher Series is badly named. What it really should be called is Series-That-Don't-Qualify-As-Series-Under-The-LT-Definition-Of-Series.

36PhaedraB
Apr 18, 2014, 6:40pm Top

The rule of thumb that I've been using is, if it were to be published by another publisher, would it then still be part of that series? A Nancy Drew book by any publisher is still a Nancy Drew book.

The series exception that was originally made for something like the "For Dummies..." books before we had Publisher Series has really muddied the waters. Fifty years from now, Dover might reprint one of those, maybe with a slightly different title, and it would no longer be exclusively in the "For Dummies..." series. It should have been a publisher series to begin with, but as an edge case it was tipped into Series, and now we have more confusion rather than less.

37prosfilaes
Apr 18, 2014, 9:21pm Top

>36 PhaedraB: The series exception that was originally made for something like the "For Dummies..." books before we had Publisher Series has really muddied the waters. Fifty years from now, Dover might reprint one of those, maybe with a slightly different title, and it would no longer be exclusively in the "For Dummies..." series.

"For Dummies" books really do have a distinct feel to them; if Dover reprinted one of them, it would still be clearly part of the series. That rule has always applied to series that had some sort of internal style to them.

38Michael.Rimmer
Apr 19, 2014, 5:43am Top

Taking the bait...

I'm reading the Popol Vuh in an edition unconnected with the publishers of the Civilization of the American Indian series, so to say that my edition belongs to that series is false. Civilization of the American Indian is clearly a Publisher Series.

39JerryMmm
Apr 19, 2014, 8:13am Top

It's an edge case I suppose, maybe it depends on how many were published outside the series?

40henkl
Apr 19, 2014, 8:47am Top

Not an edge case, I think. Most of the editions, among which there are translations in Spanis, French, Italian etc. were published outside the series.

41jjwilson61
May 21, 2014, 10:37pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Myths

At least my copy of The Penelopiad doesn't say anything about it's being part of a series.

42jasbro
May 23, 2014, 1:29am Top

#41 by jjwilson61> The Series consists of contemporary retellings of major myths by prominent authors from around the world. The project, which is usually referred to in English as the "Canongate Myth Series" after the publisher who originated the idea, is an international collaboration involving 40 publishers and many of the books have been released in multiple languages.

43jjwilson61
May 23, 2014, 9:28am Top

But if the some of the works are being published by some publishers outside the series then it doesn't meet the LT definition of a series.

44eromsted
May 23, 2014, 9:34am Top

The language on the Canongate Myths publicity pages seems to imply that the books are being commissioned for the "project" even though there are multiple publishers involved. But it's not entirely clear.

45jasbro
Edited: May 23, 2014, 5:47pm Top

>43 jjwilson61:: re: Canongate Myths, I would defer to general consensus whether it's properly a Series per LT's definition. I began acquiring them in a boxed set, clearly all commissioned to go together as a series. Since then, the Series has grown considerably, but always along the same lines as it's original conception. They are a series in our library regardless. Whether they are also a Series or a Publisher Series on LT seems a difference without distinction.

49eromsted
Jul 23, 2014, 1:02pm Top

Are there other editions of Walpole's Correspondence with the same volume organization and contents?

50rsterling
Jul 23, 2014, 9:48pm Top

Well, Ralph Waldo Emerson's catalog has a copy of Horace Walpole's correspondence with George Montagu, and it was not part of the "Yale Edition of Horace Walpole's Correspondence." Emerson's copy was published in London in the 19th century: https://www.librarything.com/work/11958948/book/80146028. Whether those copies have exactly the same content, I don't know.

The Yale Edition series (the name, too, suggests publisher series), is a particular multi-volume collection of Walpole's correspondence, put together by an editor named Lewis in the 20th century. There seem to have been several edited collections/selections, some also multiple volumes, of Walpole's correspondence published in the 19th century: https://www.google.com/search?q=Horace+Walpole%27s+correspondence+with+Sir+David+Dalrymple.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs#channel=rcs&q=Horace+Walpole%27s+correspondence&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=bks&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1800,cd_max:1899

51al.vick
Aug 29, 2015, 2:29pm Top

Surely this is a publisher's series:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Pocket%252BClassics

Anyone feel like switching it?

52MarthaJeanne
Aug 29, 2015, 2:55pm Top

The graphic novel adaptations are probably a real series.

53al.vick
Aug 29, 2015, 10:15pm Top

Maybe, but there was other stuff there too. Looks like it has been pared down a little?

54MarthaJeanne
Aug 30, 2015, 3:01am Top

I took one out.

55al.vick
Aug 30, 2015, 1:19pm Top

Must have been the one that I owned that alerted me to it's existence. Haha!

56SimoneA
Edited: Sep 23, 2015, 11:11am Top

I just ran across this one: http://www.librarything.com/series/Atlas+Reeks, a Dutch publisher series. The same user seems to have created a lot of series which should be moved or added to existing publisher series. I'll work on it when I have time, but could use some help! Thank you!

57MarthaJeanne
Sep 23, 2015, 12:07pm Top

I moved one book, (The one I own). The series seems to have been entered in .com, so I did the publishers series in .com as well, but it seems to me that it ought really to be on the Dutch site.

58SimoneA
Sep 23, 2015, 4:25pm Top

>57 MarthaJeanne: I agree that the publisher series should really be in the Dutch CK, but I also know that that's a bit of extra work, that may not always be convenient. We try our best, right?

59al.vick
Jan 13, 2016, 7:54pm Top

This series looks like a publisher's series to me.

Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought
https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge%252BTexts%252Bin%252Bthe%252BHistory%252Bof%252BPolitical%252BThought

60AnnieMod
Edited: Jan 13, 2016, 7:57pm Top

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61AnnieMod
Jan 13, 2016, 7:58pm Top

>59 al.vick:

Weren't all of those selections or written specifically for the series? If so - it should be a regular series...

62al.vick
Jan 13, 2016, 8:46pm Top

Well, The City of God by Augustine of Hippo wasn't written for a series.

63AnnieMod
Jan 13, 2016, 9:50pm Top

>62 al.vick:

I am not sure if the full text is part of the series or if it is a combination issue there...

64r.orrison
Feb 10, 2016, 2:24am Top

https://www.librarything.com/series/A+John+Hope+Franklin+Center+Book

S. Ann Durham died in 1995, well before the 2009 date beside her book Surviving Against the Odds in the series, so it seems unlikely that it was written to be part of the series.

However, many other books in the series do seem to have been published in the year listed.

65jasbro
Feb 10, 2016, 11:53pm Top

>64 r.orrison: WorldCat describes Dunham's Work as "A revised version of her anthropology dissertation that examines the economic importance of the blacksmithing trade in the rural Javanese village of Kajar" and "edited and with a preface by Alice G. Dewey and Nancy I. Cooper." So, it's maybe being a posthumous, trade appearance in 2009 seems not completely irrational, given her son's rise to prominence around that time. It does seem to indicate a Publisher Series, however, collecting and re-presenting works previously published elsewhere. Otherwise, I know nothing of the "John Hope Franklin Center Books," but am inclined to agree it's really a Publisher Series that needs moving. Any other insights out there?

67al.vick
Mar 9, 2016, 2:04pm Top

Shouldn't this be a publisher's series?

Series: The Harvard Classics
https://www.librarything.com/series/The%252BHarvard%252BClassics

68MarthaJeanne
Mar 9, 2016, 2:34pm Top

>67 al.vick: Yes. Some of them are fine, but lots aren't.

69Crypto-Willobie
Mar 9, 2016, 2:44pm Top

Aren't there already several publisher's series for the Harvard CLassics? Just in the past couple months I was reading a thread somewhere on LT where the variant incarnations of the HCs was being discussed...

70MarthaJeanne
Edited: May 15, 2016, 7:01am Top

http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Il+Giornale+Biblioteca+storica&amp...

I have moved a few of the series here to http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Il+Giornale+Biblioteca+storica

Most of the numbers are bad, as there are often two books in the same pseudo Series.

(Note that this should be done for Italian.)

72Crypto-Willobie
Jul 13, 2016, 2:44pm Top

I moved 'Lost American Fiction' from Series to Publisher Series. I had already started to populate the pub series when I discovered th rong 'uns.

73MarthaJeanne
Jan 6, 2017, 2:36am Top

https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge+Medieval+Textbooks

A lot of these are translations of works first published elsewhere.

74Collectorator
Jan 6, 2017, 4:23am Top

75jasbro
Jan 7, 2017, 1:52pm Top

>73 MarthaJeanne:, >74 Collectorator: I'd also appreciate having examples. Looking idly at WorldCat for the first five entries, the only one that appears to have an edition "outside the series" is a Swedish language Work linked to A History of Business in Medieval Europe 1200-1550, https://www.librarything.com/work/324624. (Since I don't read Swedish and haven't Google Translated it, I'm not even sure that's not ratty data.) Thank you.

76Petroglyph
Edited: Jan 7, 2017, 3:17pm Top

>75 jasbro:
If the Swedish title is "Företagande och handel i det medeltida Europa 1200-1550", then that is indeed the same work (same author, title corresponds).

79SimoneA
Apr 3, 2017, 10:18am Top

>78 MarthaJeanne: I don't think this needs to be moved, as the works seem to be radio plays and therefore adaptations of the originals, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe_(H%C3%B6rspielserie). One of the radio plays was combined with the main work, which I fixed. Please know that I am in no way acquainted with the series, so my insight may be wrong.

80MarthaJeanne
Apr 3, 2017, 10:23am Top

The one I moved was certainly combined with the main work.

81al.vick
Apr 3, 2017, 2:26pm Top

Seems like this series: https://www.librarything.com/series/Little%252BBlack%252BClassics is a publisher's series not a "standard" series.

82Crypto-Willobie
Apr 4, 2017, 11:57pm Top

83al.vick
Apr 5, 2017, 3:08pm Top

>82 Crypto-Willobie: The publisher's series was already there, so I just moved the ones that were missing, and deleted the regular series entries on the others.

84Crypto-Willobie
Apr 5, 2017, 4:29pm Top

Thanks for the effort.

85gilroy
May 8, 2017, 2:36pm Top

I guess this is more a question of is this a publisher series rather than a series, but couldn't think where else to put it:

https://www.librarything.com/series/Henry+Holt+Reference+Book

86jasbro
May 8, 2017, 10:36pm Top

>85 gilroy: I'd consider that, if this Series published by Henry Holt consists only (or at least primarily) of original Works available only as part of the Series, and not independently as Works of their respective Authors, it's properly a Series notwithstanding that it's offered by a single, specific Publisher. Without knowing more, I'd leave it alone ...

87r.orrison
Edited: Aug 23, 2017, 5:20pm Top

Can someone write a polite message to jerkwasser about what's a series and what isn't?
https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=jerkwasser&f=username

88jasbro
Aug 23, 2017, 12:13pm Top

At http://www.librarything.com/topic/265866#6154433, bluepiano points out the Series http://www.librarything.com/series/And+Other+Stories, which appears to be a Publisher Series instead.

89Collectorator
Aug 23, 2017, 12:24pm Top

>88 jasbro: Where are the books with the same content but were published by someone else?

90jjwilson61
Aug 23, 2017, 1:14pm Top

>89 Collectorator: I think the real issue is a complete listing of a publishers output isn't a series at all.

91Collectorator
Aug 23, 2017, 1:24pm Top

>90 jjwilson61: Wow. The publisher has published only 42 books?!?!?! How did you figure that out?!?!?

92jjwilson61
Aug 23, 2017, 1:54pm Top

I'm just relying on what BluePiano reported in the other thread.

93Collectorator
Aug 23, 2017, 2:19pm Top

So, you don't know it is a complete listing at all, really, that was just something you burbled out.

return to ignore

94bluepiano
Aug 23, 2017, 5:30pm Top

>91 Collectorator: It doesn't make a single damned bit of difference whether the publisher has issued 42 books or 142. The point is that a publisher's list, whether it's a full or partial one, has been recorded as a 'series'. I hope my latest post on the other thread clarifies. I think the name of the publisher might be a source of confusion as it does sound as if it might be a subtitle carried throughout a series.

95Collectorator
Aug 23, 2017, 6:55pm Top

>94 bluepiano: "The point is that a publisher's list, whether it's a full or partial one, has been recorded as a 'series'."

So? So what? That happens all the time and is perfectly fine. What is most commonly wrong is ill-informed people and their reaction to it.

97jasbro
Oct 11, 2017, 12:10pm Top

>96 MarthaJeanne: Hope I'm doing this right, 'cause I don't have time now to do it again ...

98MarthaJeanne
Oct 11, 2017, 12:40pm Top

>97 jasbro: Well, you did it the way I did the one book I own there. And with relatives arriving tomorrow with a dinner party for the friends who will be putting some of them up, I didn't have time to do it for the next several days. Thank you.

99JerryMmm
Oct 13, 2017, 3:11am Top

Shouldn't the order be better?

100MarthaJeanne
Oct 13, 2017, 3:19am Top

It was the same way as a series.

101JerryMmm
Oct 13, 2017, 3:56am Top

that's because the way they're entered now doesn't sort properly. adding pipes now.

102jasbro
Edited: Oct 13, 2017, 5:56pm Top

>100 MarthaJeanne:, >101 JerryMmm: The Publisher Series, for convenience: http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Imeline+Teadus

I've begun deleting ". raamat" from each Publisher Series CK field, and they're falling in more logical, numerical order.

ETA: Oops! I now see what JerryMmm meant by "adding pipes now." Anyway, they're now in order, which is what we wanted, and they're consistent, which satisfies the foolish hobgoblin of my little mind. If I should go back and re-add pipes, book numbers (with or without the ordinal "."), and Estonian "raamat," (i.e., "the book"), please advise.

103JerryMmm
Edited: Oct 13, 2017, 6:15pm Top

I thought perhaps that was some indication somewhere on the book so didn't touch it. But I got called away part way through so thanks for finishing.

104Crypto-Willobie
Feb 15, 2:23pm Top

This series looks as if it should be a Publisher's Series?

https://www.librarything.com/series/Cassell+-+The+Military+Classics+Collection

106Crypto-Willobie
Feb 15, 8:12pm Top

>105 Collectorator: Because it appears to be a collection of previously published 'military classics' from different sources rather than a group of books that were commissioned as a series. For instance Small Back Room is a novel published in 1943 while Against All Odds is non-fiction published in 1995.

And as it turns out there is already a Publisher Series for these titles: https://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Cassell+Military+Classics
but while some books are currently in both, not all are.

107jasbro
Edited: Feb 16, 2:07pm Top

>104 Crypto-Willobie: I agree. I recently migrated such a "Series," referencing the new / alternative Publisher Series in "Series Description." If you're interested, see http://www.librarything.com/series/A%20Mulholland%20/%20Strand%20Magazine%20Shor...

ETA: There were "only" 9 entries in the proposed Series, but more in the Publisher Series. I went ahead and migrated them to appear together in one place.

109JerryMmm
Feb 18, 4:35pm Top

The works are written for the series. Similar to kinderboekenweek. Maybe sometimes they get republished?

111jasbro
Mar 19, 12:30pm Top

>110 gilroy:, I presume the proposal is just to transition from a Series to a Publisher Series of the same name, description, and title sequence; but I'd request confirmation first, since 669 records is a LOT to change ...

112gilroy
Mar 19, 1:10pm Top

>111 jasbro: Actually, I made an assumption when I posted that, only to dig more and realize I was wrong. The description on the series threw me off...

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