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2_Zoe_
May 8, 2013, 2:22pm Top

So, is there a basic "finished book x" option?

3timspalding
May 8, 2013, 2:26pm Top

No, but there will be soon, when the home page with currently reading goes live.

4_Zoe_
May 8, 2013, 2:31pm Top

Thanks. Will it be possible to use only with reading dates?

5timspalding
May 8, 2013, 2:57pm Top

God knows.

6_Zoe_
May 8, 2013, 3:20pm Top

Aren't you God here?

7norabelle414
May 8, 2013, 3:34pm Top

More like Pope.

8lucienspringer
May 8, 2013, 3:57pm Top

Does this work for existing reviews? I don't see a share link on those.

9timepiece
May 8, 2013, 4:29pm Top

OK, what would be the time limit for aggregation of multiple instances? 4 hours? 24 hours?

And I see I can only link to Facebook as an individual, not when I'm logged into my organization's page. Any chance that will be enabled?

10timspalding
May 8, 2013, 5:12pm Top

I'm going to wait for Mike's answer on these. I think he knows more.

11PhaedraB
May 8, 2013, 5:14pm Top

Now we know. Tim is pope, but Mike is god.

12revelshade
May 8, 2013, 6:55pm Top

The example posts say "via LibraryThing Books" or "on LibraryThing Books". Isn't the "Books" part pretty much a given? It just sounds awkward and redundant to me. Is a subtle rebranding going on?

13jbd1
Edited: May 8, 2013, 7:01pm Top

>12 revelshade: - That's just the name of the Facebook "app" used for all of the sharing from LT. I'm not sure why it's not just called "LibraryThing," - Tim or Mike, do you know?

14MonarchVal
May 8, 2013, 8:24pm Top

Is there any sharing among Facebook people not already "friends", due to the same book being reviewed or commonality of ones library?

15the_red_shoes
May 8, 2013, 9:18pm Top

//just stares in dismay

....I do already belong to GoodReads. GoodReads being bought by Amazon seems to mean LibraryThing is adopting more GoodReads features. I barely use Facebook and I hate integrating my data at other places with it. Why is this such a good idea?

16timspalding
May 8, 2013, 9:28pm Top

We're not adopting more Goodreads features, we're making sharing work well. Before it shared by an old method that Facebook almost ignores now. Some members want to share it on Facebook when they review a book, really want a book or etc. Not-quite-right sharing has been a persistent complaint against LibraryThing. This seeks to end that.

17norabelle414
May 8, 2013, 10:24pm Top

>15 the_red_shoes: Also, if you don't share to Facebook these changes do not affect you at all.

18MarthaJeanne
May 9, 2013, 3:27am Top

But it would be nice to be able to globally turn off the sharing features so that those of us who aren't going to use them don't have to see them.

19chg1
May 9, 2013, 5:44am Top

This is one thing (among many) to keep in mind if you do FB:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upgrade-your-life/facebook-scam-alert---what-really-...

20miketopper
May 9, 2013, 8:33am Top

>9 timepiece:

aggregations are done by facebook and only show up in your/your friends news feeds. your timeline wont show aggregations afaik, but when the data is aggregated it should be somewhat instantaneous. your timeline/profile will still just show the individual actions.

what happens when you try to link to facebook when signed in as an organization? We aren't doing anything special here to disable organizations and I dont see anything in the facebook documentation talking about anything special we would need to do for different account types. I dont think we have any control over this, it might just be that facebook doesn't allow that kind of access to organization accounts, but i'll look into it.

21miketopper
May 9, 2013, 8:36am Top

> 8

yes it works for existing reviews of yours. If you go to your feed page at: http://www.librarything.com/yourfeed.php

you can share older reviews from there. alternatively, if you go to your edit book page, click the "Share on facebook" button and then click save, it will give you the option to share on facebook.

22miketopper
May 9, 2013, 8:42am Top

> 14

I cant speak for facebook on what they are doing / will do with data that you give to them, but as far as I know the information is not shown to anyone else like that. Just like any other app/feature of facebook you have the ability to select *who* sees posts from the LibraryThing app. Usually the default is "friends", but you can always change it to whatever you like by going onto Facebook, and going to Account Settings -> apps -> Librarything Books and then change the value of "Visibility of app and posts" to whoever you want to see posts coming from this app.

23jbd1
May 9, 2013, 11:39am Top

>12 revelshade: - We were able to change the display name on the app, so it reads just "LibraryThing" rather than "LibraryThing Books" (we're not entirely sure why it was the other way in the first place).

24kgriffith
May 9, 2013, 8:49pm Top

So, do I have to go to my desktop computer to figure out how this works now? LT is already connected and has permission on fb, but where do I control settings for sharing, here, or there? And can I do it from my iPhone? I added a couple of books to see if I was prompted to share, or shown a "Hey, fb sharing is new and different, wanna check it out?" shadow box, but didn't see anything obvious.

25miketopper
May 10, 2013, 1:55pm Top

>24 kgriffith:

we currently do not automatically post anything to Facebook. If you are on the add books page there is a small share icon for each book added right under "delete book". if you click on the share link, you will be directed to share the book you just added.

you can also go to: http://www.librarything.com/yourfeed.php and share anything in your feed to Facebook. The new open graph actions that are currently available are for rating, reviewing and adding books.

26aglaia531
May 10, 2013, 10:35pm Top

Thanks, Mike!

27timepiece
Edited: May 16, 2013, 12:54pm Top

>20 miketopper:

When I try to link to Facebook while logged in a page admin, I get the message:

"You are using Facebook as {organization}.
To access this page, you'll need to switch from using Facebook as your page to using Facebook as yourself."

28MonaroReads
May 23, 2013, 9:48pm Top

Me too - I'm trying to find out how to put a link on our Organisation Facebook Page (Monaro Regional Libraries) to our Organisation LibraryThing (MonaroReads), and each time it says I'm already linked, but I'm linked as my own private Facebook profile. HELP???

Can I put a button on our ORGANISATION FB Page to go straight to our ORGANISATION LibraryThing?

Thanks
kath

29MarthaJeanne
May 24, 2013, 2:48am Top

I don't use Facebook, but you ought to be able to change the Facebook link for that profile. Go to edit profile, and the site liniks are under extras.

30anglemark
Jun 13, 2013, 4:10am Top

This sharing doesn't work on language sites, at least not on se.librarything.com . Should I write up a bug report or will you take it from here? (FYI: I shared an added book on se.librarything.com, went to Facebook, saw nothing. I then switched to www.librarything.com did the same, and voilà - there is the post!)

31miketopper
Jun 17, 2013, 12:01pm Top

>30 anglemark:

thanks for letting me know. you should now be able to share to facebook from se.librarything.com

let me know if its still not working for you.

32anglemark
Jun 17, 2013, 1:01pm Top

I will let you know. Thanks!

33BasKoeln
Jul 15, 2013, 2:18pm Top

> 31
Same problem here on the german site.

34miketopper
Jul 15, 2013, 3:09pm Top

>33 BasKoeln:

Thanks for letting me know. You should be able to share from the german site now. Let me know if you are still experiencing issues

35BasKoeln
Jul 15, 2013, 4:10pm Top

That's quite the fastest fix ever. Thanks, working now.

36brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 4:15pm Top

#35 by BasKoeln> There's plenty of other fixes around here in MINUTES, even. :D

37BasKoeln
Jul 16, 2013, 3:23pm Top

Opened this topic about some utf8 issues here: http://www.librarything.de/topic/156742
Might already be to late....

38miketopper
Jul 22, 2013, 10:19am Top

>37 BasKoeln:

utf8 issues should be fixed. see the topic you started for more information.

39LucindaLibri
Aug 13, 2013, 11:35am Top

Not sure what I'm doing wrong . . . but when I try to add and then go to the LT facebook app, all I see is "More to come . . ." ??

Also, the original instructions ( http://www.librarything.com/blogs/librarything/2013/05/better-facebook-sharing/
) already need some updating—the old RSS symbol for "share" is now just "Share" . . . yes??

40BasKoeln
Aug 14, 2013, 3:37pm Top

> 39
I don't think the LT facebook app has something todo with the share-button. This is only a third party thing. (I've tried - and didn't like it.)
So just write your review and mark "facebook". This should be everything.

41jjmcgaffey
Aug 14, 2013, 8:52pm Top

There's two LT Facebook apps - one with a blue L, which is third-party, and one with a brown L, which feeds through the Share option - the link in the corner, or the checkbox on reviews, or your feed, or...I'm probably missing places (I use the review checkbox only - and only for Twitter, at that, I don't use FB at all).

42LucindaLibri
Aug 16, 2013, 11:54pm Top

I used the app linked in the link listed in >39 LucindaLibri:
I was expecting some sort of user interface somewhere that lets me tell the app what to share (books added, books reviewed, books currently reading) . . . the post I linked to above shows books added and various other things, but though I had just added many books, all I saw was "More to come" . . . was I supposed to click on "share" for each book as I added it?
I'm also not clear WHAT gets shared for any particular page or book I might click "share" on . . . will it say "recently added" if a book was recently added? or "recently read" or "currently reading"?? I have absolutely no clue . . .

I use FB almost daily and have no trouble sharing most webpages I visit, just don't get how this will work with LT.

43jjmcgaffey
Edited: Aug 17, 2013, 1:35am Top

Yes, you're supposed to click on Share for each book or item you want to share. That's what Jeremy meant, in the blog post, by Please note: LibraryThing never shares with Facebook without your explicit consent. You have to say for each individual item. Which can be a pain, if you really want to share _everything_ - but the consensus is/was that most people would rather share individual actions. For privacy, and not overwhelming your friends with all your LT actions...

ETA I'm not following you around and answering you, really. You're just saying things in threads I'm following...

44LucindaLibri
Aug 18, 2013, 11:36pm Top

Except that from what I can tell "Share" doesn't "Share" a particular page, it shares my "News Feed" . . . which includes everything I do . . . (click on "share" and tell me if you get something other than your "News Feed") . . . So I'm still waiting for something more customizeable (sp?) than that . . .

(And thanks jj for following me around and answering all my silly questions :)

45jjmcgaffey
Aug 19, 2013, 1:41am Top

If I click the Share link, I go to Your News Feed (and nothing goes to Twitter or Facebook). After each item in the feed, there's a little link that says "Share this". If you click that link, it opens a lightbox with the text of the tweet it will do if you click Tweet this - and presumably an equivalent thing for the Facebook share, I don't do that so I don't know.

The other way I do it is - basically what I share is reviews. So I go to the review page (click the speech bubble icon in Your books), enter my review, check Tweet this review, and click Save - I get the same lightbox popping up. I don't know if you can do added books and the like any way except through the News Feed page.

But to get the lightbox, I have to check that checkbox before hitting save, every time on every review; or click Share this, every time on each item in Your News Feed. There's no way of telling LT to tweet all my reviews/added books/whatever. Which I'm fine with - I'm happy that it won't go automatically. You have to make it explicit.

46LucindaLibri
Aug 20, 2013, 12:30am Top

I don't tweet, and have disabled the LT FB app, so am not seeing most of what you describe . . . it really seems far more complicated than just going to FB and entering the URL for the LT page I want to share into the status box . . .

Right now I'm mostly entering books into my catalog (and wouldn't want to share those one by one, but I do go to FB and announce what I've accomplished, so some way of counting and saying that I added X books today would be nifty). I guess I'll have to try this again some time, but honesly, it just isn't intuitive enough for me . . . and I share lots of stuff on FB everyday. Then again, I've avoided FB apps like the plague (due to privacy issues) so perhaps they all work this way . . . though I may have to ask my friends who use GR and FB how that system works for them.

47LucindaLibri
Aug 20, 2013, 12:32am Top

Also, the most important thing I would want to share tonight (that I just finished a book) . . . doesn't even show on the News Feed at all!! That seems unfortunate.

48JerryMmm
Aug 20, 2013, 2:33am Top

If you could say "I entered 5 books today on LibraryThing", and have it link to somewhere, what would you like to see it display?

49Scorbet
Aug 20, 2013, 2:57am Top

>46 LucindaLibri:

Firstly, I think you need to authorise the FB app before it can do anything. Librarything needs permission to be able to post as you on FB. The app is it's way of getting authorisation to write status messages to your account.

For the moment at least, LT is only allowing you to post individual status reports - adding a book, reviewing, rating etc. and not collective ones. You also have to do each one individually. (Which I, at least, prefer as it means less chance of spamming people in error when doing a bulk add.) You also get to edit the message - so you could change it to "Added Title, along with X others" if you want, though you would need to count them yourself.

>47 LucindaLibri:

Tim did mention upthread that he wanted to add "finished" when the "Currently Reading" upgrade was done. But as a workaround, you could have a "Read" collection, and move the book into that as you finished. That should be sharable.

50LucindaLibri
Edited: Aug 20, 2013, 1:01pm Top

I'll wait until "Finished" is implemented (not holding breath :). That's really the only thing I would want to post over at FB . . .

>48 JerryMmm: I suppose if it would say the number added with a list of titles (but not a separate post for each book) . . . and yes, I know that option is unlikely . . . I just hate when my FB feed gets cluttered with a long list of posts from one person doing something over and over and not realizing how it looks to others . . . (I had a friend who posted lots of stuff to ebay and each post showed up separately in the FB feed!)

51miketopper
Aug 20, 2013, 3:46pm Top

>48 JerryMmm:,50

with all the "new" actions that we have implemented (rating, reviewing, adding a book) they *should* all be summarized if you add more than one in quick succession. so if you share one add book action, it will just be the post about that book but subsequent adds will show up as "Mike added X books" with the list of books underneath. At least thats what Facebook says it will do with them.

We are currently working on an auto posting feature (which will be disabled by default, you will have to manually enable it for anything to auto post from your account) which will help make things a little bit less cumbersome if you want to always share your reviews, adds, etc.

52JerryMmm
Aug 20, 2013, 3:48pm Top

what is the calculation like, for things to get put together? how much time can there be between things?

53LucindaLibri
Aug 25, 2013, 2:13pm Top

>51 miketopper: Thanks!!

I just talked to someone whose reading I follow via FB because she's on GoodReads and she has chosen certain categories of things to post directly (not everything, just specific types: wishlist, just finished) . . . the user interface she described (where she gets to designate what sorts of things get posted) is what I had in mind . . . Glad to know something similar is in the works here.

But really, could you prioritize a way to make it easy post that I just FINISHED a book . . . To me, that is MUCH more important than "adds".

(I'm adding piles of books at a time right now, so there's no way I would make that automatic . . . all my FB friends would block me. :)

Also, the more I think about this issue, the more I realize that better/more summary statistics about my LT activity is what I would want to post to FB. I haven't checked yet to see if it is possible, but when badges came out a few days ago I thought "you should share that info on FB" . . .

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