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1timspalding
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 3:58pm Top

This topic is for general discussions of the new design.

For actual bugs—things that don't work right or look dramatically wrong—see:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/156005

The new design and the new homes page went live at the same point. For comments on the new home page see here. For bugs on the new home page see here.

We hope to get blog posts and a video out shortly. For now, here's the brief version:

1. The new design is chocolate-y, with red highlights.
2. The new design is mostly about the top nav and the color scheme. Do you like them?
3. The new design has a smaller top part, saving space for the important stuff—the content.
4. The new design has a fixed top part, like lots of sites now.
5. There's been some standardization, but this falls short of a soup-to-nuts redesign across hundreds of pages. That's next week… ;)

2keristars
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:12pm Top

I tried doing a revert after a few minutes of looking at the page, so I could compare some things I liked about the old version, and now I can't get the new one back, so I'm not positive, but...

It feels like some of the left nav text, and the top nav on the white bit (not the brown) is too small at default, but the rest of the page is fine, so changing my text size manually would make it too big.

I don't know if that's a fixable thing, but it was uncomfortable for the brief period I was looking at the new design. Otherwise, I did really like the updated header/nav, once I realized I hadn't accidentally clicked the wrong link in my address bar. :)

3Michael.Rimmer
Jul 2, 2013, 4:13pm Top

I like the new design. It looks a lot sleeker, more clean. The fixed nav bar is a very welcome addition. Nice work :-)

4timspalding
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:14pm Top

Oh, screw it. How about a poll?

Vote: Overall—and understanding that it's still being worked on—I like the new design better than the old.

Current tally: Yes 341, No 94, Undecided 73

5tottman
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:14pm Top

So far I'm liking it. Still working on customizing it, but no major glitches so far. The new colors are an improvement and the overall look is sleeker and more modern. I like that the lists feature is apparently out of beta and I've already added it to my dashboard. I hope it gets a lot of use now.

It will take a little bit of getting used to, but generally, well done!

668papyrus
Jul 2, 2013, 4:14pm Top

Love the new features! I like the color scheme and the that book covers are larger and easier to read.

7keristars
Jul 2, 2013, 4:15pm Top

Yeah, I thought it was really nice! It'll take a bit of getting used to, but the only thing that stood out to me as not something that I could get used to was the different text size. It's going to be even more problematic on my phone's browser.

I can't wait to turn the new style back on to explore more... ;)

8MarthaJeanne
Jul 2, 2013, 4:15pm Top

I really hate the dark brown at the top, and I hate that top bit eating up screen space. Before it only did that in the catalogue. (The worst place for it to do that, But I don't like it anywhere.)

I will certainly spend a lot less time here with this.

9lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 4:16pm Top

I like the brown. I don't like the huge font in the tabs or the lack of distinction between them.

The old color in your "L" logo and the pink of the unread messages now looks out of place.

I don't mind the loss of the profile tab but the username is a little small as a replacement especially by comparison to the HUGE font and spacing in the tabs.

10AnnaClaire
Jul 2, 2013, 4:16pm Top

I almost like it better in the new version. I'll wait until it settles down a bit and some of the bugs get swatted.

11klobrien2
Jul 2, 2013, 4:17pm Top

It's different, but I'll give it a shot. It sure was disconcerting, at first sight. I like chocolate, though!

Karen O.

12lilithcat
Jul 2, 2013, 4:18pm Top

I particularly like that it's dark chocolate, rather than milk chocolate!

13Collectorator
Jul 2, 2013, 4:18pm Top

I love the thing at the top. It's not brown to me. It's black. I like it even more now. :)

14overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 4:18pm Top

just checking around and customizing but so far i love it. good work!

15ScarletBea
Jul 2, 2013, 4:20pm Top

The blue font on Talk now doesn't match the colour scheme...

16reconditereader
Jul 2, 2013, 4:21pm Top

Can you make the top bar (ha-ha, chocolate bar) take up less space? It's really tall.

17BuiltByBooks
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:28pm Top

Wow, this was pretty surprising when logging on today. Great job, Tim!

The new recommendation layout is fantastic, though I did change the covers down to a medium as large was slightly overpowering. Otherwise the home page is perfect. I love the modern, clean feel to it, and the colour scheme I think members will find appealing.

On the home page I deleted a module, but found I could only bring it back by clicking restore to default. That may get frustrating as it reverts the remaining modules back to their original settings. Could an option to restore a module be considered in the reorder modules ?

18brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:24pm Top

#8 by MarthaJeanne> For those that really utterly hate the unmoving top bar, I will provide a very easy Stylish style that will make it not fixed.

But not for a bit so you can see if it grows on you. :)

19timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:25pm Top

For those that really utterly hate the unmoving top bar, I will provide a very easy Stylish style that will make it not fixed.

We'll be providing an option to do that. But not for a few days, for the reason BC says.

It's currently set to not be fixed if you're on an iPhone, for technical reasons. So we can do it.

20KarenElissa
Jul 2, 2013, 4:25pm Top

I love the new look, it feels very old world libraryish which seems appropriate. I'm on my phone, so I'll play more later, but overall it is lovely.

21overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 4:28pm Top

the time stamps seem to have reverted back to east coast usa time. i forget how i changed that in the first place? (and i'm assuming that all the missing info in my books will come back at some point?)

22brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:31pm Top

(figured this might be worth reposing here instead)

1) Any "color" in a computer program will vary from monitor to monitor: Your LT brown may not be the same as most others
2) Any color picked will have its fans and foes

Personally, I'm a fan.

23stretch
Jul 2, 2013, 4:31pm Top

Love the new design. It's much easier on the eyes being less cluttered. I thought that font was a bit large in the top bar, but now it seems just right after switching to a number of pages.

I'm not much a color person, but the green on the stats page seems like it clashes pretty hard with the new color scheme.

24lindapanzo
Jul 2, 2013, 4:31pm Top

The most important thing is easy access to talk/threads. Where did those go in the new design?

25AnnaClaire
Jul 2, 2013, 4:31pm Top

I wonder if there's any way to close up some of the white space. I know having some is a good thing, but there seems to be a bit too much of it in some places, particularly on the home page -- and the vertical layout means a lot of scrolling on my widescreen laptop. (And before anyone shouts at me to suck it up and get a different computer, I have been out of work for a year and a half, and any money I can spend goes into schooling so I can get a new one easier. Rant over.)

26alaudacorax
Jul 2, 2013, 4:32pm Top

I pretty much like it, except - and it's a big 'except' - why no 'Talk' segment on my dashboard? It's normally the first thing I look at when logging-in and I think I'll really miss it.

27ScarletBea
Jul 2, 2013, 4:32pm Top

24, 26: Just click on 'Talk' in the black top bar :)

28brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:33pm Top

#24 by lindapanzo> This thread is more for the design changes at the top (chocolate bar, tabs, etc.) For the home page (where the Talk module is), see:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156006#4175342

29fyrefly98
Jul 2, 2013, 4:34pm Top

I am not a huge fan, but I also liked the old salmon-y color that everyone else seemed to hate, and as long as the site still works the same, I am not too hung up about cosmetic changes. I will second lorax and say that I wish the top tabs were smaller and/or that there was more of a distinction between them (I can see the faint little lines, but wish they were brighter.)

The only other thing I've noticed is that on the Home > Reviews page, the font seems different than it used to - I'm not sure if it's a different font, or the size or the kerning or the line spacing is different, or if I'm just imagining things, but I'm finding it harder to read than that page used to be.

30timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:34pm Top

I pretty much like it, except - and it's a big 'except' - why no 'Talk' segment on my dashboard? It's normally the first thing I look at when logging-in and I think I'll really miss it.

It's under "Community." You can add it to your dashboard by clicking "Add to dashboard."

31overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 4:35pm Top

>26 alaudacorax: you can add talk back into your dashboard. it was the first thing i did, too. i think i did it like this - click on community on the left. hover on the light box that the word talk is in. up pops a few options, including "add to dashboard" and then reorder how you'd like

32MarthaJeanne
Jul 2, 2013, 4:35pm Top

19> Good. I'll be back in a few days then.

33rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 4:36pm Top

Like the top bar color scheme and general look and functionality. As lorax mentioned, maybe more distinction between the tabs would be nice (a *slightly* thicker little line). I don't find the whole thing that large, but I do have a general feeling that things on the page take up more space and I have to scroll more, so maybe it's just because that bar is fixed.

Bye bye salmon/bandaid/vomit color. Good riddance.

The blue in talk doesn't quite work with the new colors, but it could be worse.

Should I be seeing any more changes? Someone mentioned fonts: have the main fonts changed for page content (if so I'm not seeing that), or is it only the font of the top nav and page title that has changed?

(I notice the help links are still not working.)

All this is on my laptop; I'll have to check my phone browser to see how it looks.

34bestem
Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

I like the new colors, I think the bit at the top looks like a rich, but muted burgundy color, not brown. I don't think that the orangeish color that you get when you hover over threads in talk, to highlight them, matches the rest of the color scheme though.

I like the new layout everywhere, and love that it's easy to get to the venue linking now. I liked doing that, but I always forgot unless someone posted in the thread about it, then I'd just go to the beginning of the thread and click the link.

I miss the pictures of the books I recently added, showing on the homepage. There might be a way to put them back in (haven't looked yet).

35timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

The blue in talk doesn't quite work with the new colors, but it could be worse.

I agree. We're going to look at it again.

36nessreader
Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

I can't see tag cloud and I miss it. That was my fave thing in librarything. And author cloud was where I started from when working out which authors I wanted to pursue.

But I'm not computer-y at all so I have no idea whether it took up more memory or code than it was worth.

The page looks nice and uncluttered.

37lindapanzo
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:40pm Top

Sorry, didn't realize that this wasn't the complaint/it doesn't work thread (I'll head over there).

The changes look nice. However, I'm not one for change and never like it until I get used to it. Once I do, I'll probably like the new look, but for now, let's just say it takes some getting used to.

There's a big white box over my "talk" so I'll need to try to figure out how to remove that.

38laytonwoman3rd
Jul 2, 2013, 4:41pm Top

I dislike change, in general, unless it's something I've campaigned for myself. I was very comfortable with the old design, including the color scheme. I don't see this as an improvement, and despite the size of the font the text all looks a little fuzzy to me on the top bar. And I agree with those who think there should be more definition between the tabs. I hardly see the dividing lines at all.

39LolaWalser
Jul 2, 2013, 4:41pm Top

Not bad, but, as others noted already, the blue and pink in the threads doesn't work with the dark brown/red above. Perhaps a little greening/orangeing it up, respectively, might blend them better?

40alaudacorax
Jul 2, 2013, 4:42pm Top

#30, #31 - Got it, Thanks for that, Now I like it unconditionally.

41AnnieMod
Jul 2, 2013, 4:43pm Top

Leave the color scheme available for the people that like it?
The new schema is too dark...

42overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 4:43pm Top

i agree that the covers of the books i've recently added are a bit big, and i wish that when i made them smaller that the white space above and below them didn't stay the same. part of why i wanted to make them smaller was so i could have a better view of what i've put below my covers, but making the covers smaller doesn't "move up" the rest of the homepage at all and i think it would look better if it did.

still playing around, and still really like it overall!

oh, and i agree about the blue font now in the talk threads not matching the new look.

43brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:44pm Top

#37 by lindapanzo> Well, this IS a complaint thread, just for complaints about a different part of the change. It's confusing because they had to roll out both at the same time. X)

44timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:46pm Top

There's a big white box over my "talk" so I'll need to try to figure out how to remove that.

On your talk page, or on the talk section of your home page. Can you describe it more?

i agree that the covers of the books i've recently added are a bit big, and i wish that when i made them smaller that the white space above

Go to the "Settings" for the module you're unhappy with. You can make the covers teeny-tiny or jumbo. Or click the text option to skip covers.

oh, and i agree about the blue font now in the talk threads not matching the new look.

Yeah.

45lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 4:47pm Top

42>

There's never been a blue font in Talk; either that's something you changed or you mean the blue headers on unread messages?

46lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 4:47pm Top

44>

You can make the covers teeny-tiny but then the white space is "Big enough for super-duper-jumbo."

47timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:48pm Top

>45 lorax:

I think headers.

48rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 4:48pm Top

So, has something changed with the main fonts? I'm not sure if it's LT or my computer, but the text shows up nice and clean when I load the page, but then does a kind of physical shift to slightly blurry (bold?).

I noticed this before the new site redesign, and I *think* this is the only site where I'm seeing this happen. (I did play around with my browser's hardware acceleration settings, so maybe it's that, but then I'm not sure why it would only be affecting LT and not other sites.)

49framboise
Jul 2, 2013, 4:48pm Top

It looks nice but I am resistant to changes in style on favorite websites. I prefer the old one.

50ScarletBea
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:51pm Top

Ooooh if you click on the 'new uploaded covers' you can add that automatically to your book, without going through the 'edit book cover' option :)))

And lorax, the main Talk page with all the thread titles is in blue, that's what we mean (as well as all the other blues throughout the site).

I'm glad I can't see the apparent lines between the main sections on the black top bar - please don't make them bigger, this looks much cleaner.

51brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:51pm Top

I understand why people would ask for LT to allow you to view it in the old scheme indefinitely, but I don't think you realize just how much work you're asking them to do (speaking with my web programmer hat on now). Take for example the problem that's already cropped up: the salmon/blue in the Talk threads now looks out of place. So they need to go and change that. If they had to preserve things, they have to do twice as much work to both change it to match the new scheme and be switchable to the old scheme. And now every time they make changes, they have to test and configure it for both schemes.

You're basically asking for less time spent on other features/bugfixes of LT.

Now, I get that plenty of people will still complain that it "ain't broke, so don't fix it" and whatnot. I'm not saying that's an invalid approach. But many other people have been complaining for a while that it IS broken. Tim had metrics on how infrequently people were even using the new Home page (and yes, no matter how much we try to separate, the fact that both the Home page redesign and the overall site redesign happened at the same time is going to make disentangling the complaints near impossible.)

And there was also a very real effect that LT's out-of-date styling was putting off new users, leaving it to potentially come to a dead end. Dead end websites don't tend to stick around.

So basically, for all the complaining you're doing now, others of us were whining about other things. The LT staff are trying to balance it and keep the site from turning into Geocities.

52sunny
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:58pm Top

> the color scheme. Do you like it?

Well, it's not _worse_ than the dead salmon... *Hopes she'll be able to change the color in preferences some day.*

I'd certainly prefer the burgundy that bestem talks about above - like the t-shirts? http://www.librarything.com/more/store.


(Off topic: clicking on the t-shirt picture on that page leads to https://www.librarything.com/tshirt.php which missing the css)

53richardderus
Jul 2, 2013, 4:52pm Top

>1 timspalding: I think of the colors as black coffee-based, since I don't like chocolate, but I *do* like the scheme, the redesigned home page, the top nav bar lock, and the general absence of salmon-dinner-vomit color.

54Cynfelyn
Jul 2, 2013, 4:53pm Top

> 4
I'm sorry to say I had to vote 'No'. I don't like the dark chocolate brown. Much preferred the original murky coffee brown. Was it broke? Did it need fixing?

55brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 4:53pm Top

For anyone asking about font changes, make sure your browser is not set to zoom fonts first. Typically, you can reset this by holding control and pressing the zero key or possibly alt-command-zero if you're on a mac.

56lindapanzo
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:54pm Top

#44 Tim: At the home page, across the top, I can see Home, Your books, Add books, and Groups. To the right of that is a large wide (in a horizontal way) white box that is covering up (that is, on top of) Talk, Local and two things to the right of that.

This is on my pc.

When I look at the new design on my iPhone, this long white box appears to be the Search site box. I can also see the Talk, Local, More, and Zeitgeist there.

57bluepiano
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:56pm Top

Someone mentioned customising--how? I want to get back 'hot reviews' and, especially, the list of books recently added by my connections because that's been far far more helpful than the member & automatic recommendations. I already know what books I've recently added. The proportions seem wrong--so much space is devoted to recently added (which I can readily find elsewhere) and to that nasty amazon-like display of whacking huge book covers for recommendations that I've no interest in . . .

58timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 4:54pm Top

So, has something changed with the main fonts? I'm not sure if it's LT or my computer, but the text shows up nice and clean when I load the page, but then does a kind of physical shift to slightly blurry (bold?).

All the text, or just the navigation at the top?

Ooooh if you click on the 'new uploaded covers' you can add that automatically to your book, without going through the 'edit book cover' option :)))

Yeah. I liked adding that.

And there was also a very real effect that LT's out-of-date styling was putting off new users, leaving it to potentially come to a dead end. Dead end websites don't tend to stick around.

Right. It was a common complaint, especially for people seeing it for the first time. The people we have are the people who didn't mind. But, well, the last person in the world who drove an Edsel was happy with it.

59kaatmann
Jul 2, 2013, 4:54pm Top

I quite like the new features and arrangement. The top colour is perhaps a bit dark?
But there is a problem with the about me page: when I try to scroll down I very often get stuck and have the rotating Mac-pizza-of-death, so there is something that is apparently very slow to load (maybe the library size graph?).
I love the new way to add covers to my books

60eawsmom
Jul 2, 2013, 4:57pm Top

Brown is a lovely color for chocolate and wood...not as lovely as a car color or in graphic design. I presume I will get used to the new design but so far it doesn't excite me. If it had looked like this when I came here the very first time, I probably would not have been interested in using the site to catalog my books.

61phoenixmemnon
Jul 2, 2013, 4:58pm Top

First Flickr, now LibraryThing....plus ça change, plus ça empire.

62brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 5:00pm Top

Of use to people who want to read about calibrating their monitor so they are seeing closer to "standard" colors rather than their own "out of whack" colors:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/241957/how_to_calibrate_your_monitor.html

Perhaps an easier "good enough" approach for some people:

http://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-Your-Monitor

63lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 5:00pm Top

50>

I know what you meant. I didn't and still don't know what elisa.saphier who specifically mentioned a "blue font" meant. Probably the same, but I tend to assume people mean what they say, and wanted to ask.

64rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 5:00pm Top

55 brightcopy -- "For anyone asking about font changes, make sure your browser is not set to zoom fonts first. Typically, you can reset this by holding control and pressing the zero key or possibly alt-command-zero if you're on a mac."

Thanks. Didn't know about that setting. That fixed my issue. Still not sure why it was only happening on LT though.

58, Tim: "All the text, or just the navigation at the top?"

It was the text in the main section, not the top nav. But brightcopy's tip fixed it for me.

65dlga
Jul 2, 2013, 5:01pm Top

The fixed top part is not good for me on my kindle fire. The screen is small enough as it is. As for the chocolate colour, well not good, for me the old colours were fine.
Was such a good site...but at least I got new reading glasses, with this small font, much needed.

66rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 5:01pm Top

"I know what you meant. I didn't and still don't know what elisa.saphier who specifically mentioned a "blue font" meant. Probably the same, but I tend to assume people mean what they say, and wanted to ask."

Could also be the blue font used for links.

67shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 5:04pm Top

I like that it's high contrast, for the sake of people who have difficulty reading webpages. (I'm a volunteer for Fix the Web and two UK-based sightloss charities, so believe me I'm aware of these problems.) But! This level of high contrast, the white background, hurts my eyes and makes them tire quickly when I'm reading webpages (and I do spend a fair amount of time on LT reading pages!). Even just a bit of an off-white would work better for me.

68lindapanzo
Jul 2, 2013, 5:06pm Top

#67 I was just about to say the same thing. The high contrast causes a glare that hurts my eyes.

Some spots are very cluttered looking but, on most of the pages, there is way too much white space.

Also wish that Home, Your books, Add books etc were more differentiated. It looks to me like white letters on a black background, with nothing differentiating between them (unless I put my cursor on one of them).

69Lostshadows
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:57pm Top

The "revert" function doesn't work. All I get is the new layout in the old color scheme. Not remotely the same thing.

Can I at least customize the thing on the left to somewhere else? I have a small monitor and getting stuck with two inches of empty whitespace running down one side is not something I want. (And the right is about two and a half inches of dead space most of the way down.)

70brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 5:10pm Top

Did they actually change anything to make it higher contrast? I thought the background was already pure white. The only thing I can think of that's higher contrast is the very top bar, but that's not what you're looking at 99% of the time you're using LT...

71timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 5:11pm Top

I can't see tag cloud

The old home page never had a tag cloud. Go to your profile to see the tag-cloud link.

72timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 5:12pm Top

I'll be back later. I've got to go have dinner with my father, who's visiting Portland.

73kaatmann
Jul 2, 2013, 5:12pm Top

Is it just me getting confused or has the possibility to search books outside my own library disappeared?
If so, I am sorry about that

74brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 5:15pm Top

#73 by kaatmann> I think you may be confused. To search books outside of your library, there is a box at the top-right hand side of every screen on LT. Where was the box you were thinking of?

75lindapanzo
Jul 2, 2013, 5:19pm Top

#70 I think it just seems like higher contrast because the black across the top is so different from the white and there's so much more white now.

76Meredy
Jul 2, 2013, 5:21pm Top

I'd have liked to see a link to an explanation of "heat" for the hot topics. I've searched the site in vain for a clue to the meaning of this number and also asked about it without response. What's it based on?

As for the design, I'll get used to it. I don't like having the familiar become strange. It's like rearranging all the stock in the grocery store. Inevitably I'll dislike it at first and eventually learn my way around.

Thanks for asking.

77shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 5:21pm Top

>70 brightcopy:: If they didn't change the background colour itself, something still changed to make me more conscious of it!

78Littlemissbashful
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:23pm Top

I'm confused, I clicked to compare with the original design but the home page just seems to be showing the new design layout but in the original colours - or not?

More precisely the original layout on the homepage no longer looks the same despite the navigation bars across the top being different on the new version (did I miss something?)

I like the top fixed navigation bar on the newer version but find all the 'blue and black harsh on the eyes and that overall it just now looks like every other site on the web, sad but there you go....

But what's with this DASHBOARD business, I'm not driving a car.... it's on both versions but I don't remember ever seeing it before and I'm sure I would have noticed it because I hate it (horrible affectation)

Sorry waffling....

In short - I like the navigation and fixed bar but DON'T like the colours (on this monitor anyway - but I'm not that attached the originals)

HATE the 'Dashboard' but I'm sure I'll get used to it *sigh* and am now paranoid that it has in fact been there all the time and I have only just noticed it!!

..................................................​

"I've just read that in fact it's 'chocolatey with red highlights' (looks black at my end) so that means dark brown, and red with black and blue text.... well I guess it's all down to personal taste and I already find the mixed use of bold and normal fonts in black AND blue ugly and uncomfortable to look at ....(couldn't we just have additional authors translators etc in a normal but grey font rather than in bold blue - wrong place to bring it up I guess and I'm probably in a minority so maybe I should just shut up....)

79Lostshadows
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:28pm Top

Ugh. Investigated some more. Please add the ability to not have everything be a huge freaking column down the middle of the page. Ugly and hard to locate stuff. And they all seem designed to take up more room than before.

Sidebars! Sidebars are a good thing. Please let us fill them with useful, or at least interesting stuff.

I also liked the display of the last 17 books added that use to be there. It was a quick reminder of what covers I still needed to edit*. It seems to default to a text list, while the previous text lists of recommendations now seem to default to pictures. Not helpful. I know what my books look like. I don't know what books I don't have look like, and tiny picture are not always readable.

For now, I think I'm just going to end up deleting everything from the "my" homepage. Anything I seemed to care about seems to be gone or just changed to be way less useful.

On the plus side, I like the dark brown better, but that's really the only plus here and I didn't dislike the lighter brown.

*I really don't need to be able to scroll back through my entire library, eight books at a time. If I want to go that far back, I'll just look at my library and sort by entry date. It shows far more books and far more information.

80overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 5:28pm Top

>44 timspalding: (tim)

i am happy with the size that i've changed the books to, but what i meant was that when i changed the book sizes, the white space above and below them didn't change at all, so now the books are a good size but they're swimming in white space.

81MaidMeri
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:29pm Top

I don't hate it! :)

I think I'll progress to liking it after I get used to the non-clutteredness. The clutter on the old home page was the comforting kind.

82overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 5:29pm Top

>63 lorax:
sorry, lorax, i meant the blue thread title, not font. my bad.

84shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 5:33pm Top

>80 overlycriticalelisa:: Ditto, I feel the same. I feel like I might as well have the covers a bit bigger to make it seem like a better use of space.

85chg1
Jul 2, 2013, 5:34pm Top

yetch.... The okl design should be a PERMANENT option!!!!!!!!!!

86Littlemissbashful
Jul 2, 2013, 5:35pm Top

Just adding that it might be interesting (or not) to poll seperately for layout and colour scheme? - The two main elements

and #33

Bye bye salmon/bandaid/vomit color. Good riddance.


Hehe - I'm not sure about the colour of your vomit but 'bandaid' - spot on!

87conceptDawg
Jul 2, 2013, 5:36pm Top

There were no changes to the font sizes for ANY content on the site.
There were no changes to font colors for text content, excepting minor changes to the link colors.
The new top nav is actually quite a bit SMALLER (vertically) than the old top nav.
The new top nav "tabs" are larger because we wanted to make the site easier to navigate. Larger targets are much easier for most people to navigate.
We did have a slightly beige background at one point but thought that it reduced readability slightly.

And something that not a single person has mentioned, which I find interesting:
The new top nav changes as you resize your window. The LibraryThing logo disappears and the L logo appears in its place, saving space. The tab sizes get smaller to make space as well.

88pgmcc
Jul 2, 2013, 5:39pm Top

For what it's worth, I think a great job has been done.

I seem to recall some discussion months ago about redesigning the site to make it more modern. At the time I was petrified you would going to adopt a design something like GR which I think is awful. You have struck a great balance between modernisation and retention of the familiar look and feel of the site.

Some of the new features are great and I expect to be wasting, I mean whiling away hours of my time exploring the new features and changing settings, etc...

Well done to all involved.

Is it my imagination or is the website working more rapidly? Could this be due to more efficient code, a clearing down of cache memory due to the upgrade, more powerful servers being used, or my senility kicking in?

Keep up the good work.

89pgmcc
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 4:53am Top

I've just checked "my books" and the screen changes are super fast, virtually no loading time required.

I'm now concluding it is not my senility.

:-)

90southernbooklady
Jul 2, 2013, 5:44pm Top

timspalding et al: I like the new design very much, and unlike some people I don't think the top nav is too dark. Great job. What a huge amount of work.

The only comment I have and it's not a complaint....I'm not even sure it is a suggestion...is that since the top nav now stays put while we scroll down, I'm wanting to have the same access to the side nav as well. But that might mean a navigation module that travels with you down the page, which I'm not sure would be all that great.

91rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 5:44pm Top

"The new top nav changes as you resize your window. The LibraryThing logo disappears and the L logo appears in its place, saving space. The tab sizes get smaller to make space as well."

I noticed it on my phone, and I really like it. In many ways, it's actually nicer/cleaner/sleeker. But I do like the old LT logo and would probably not like to see it go.

Now that you prompt me to look more closely, though, I'm slightly missing the way the y and g used to overhang the top block. Probably too complicated to code now, but it was distinctive.

92conceptDawg
Jul 2, 2013, 5:44pm Top

We did do some cleaning of code and the move to the new design necessitated better organization of CSS and JS files between pages. Those things probably contribute to a faster feeling site.

Also the home page has been completely rewritten by Tim so the change might have brought on speed improvements also.

93brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 5:44pm Top

#87 by conceptDawg> Larger targets are much easier for most people to navigate.

Especially on touchscreens.

And something that not a single person has mentioned, which I find interesting: The new top nav changes as you resize your window

Neat effect. I never noticed it because I don't typically make my window that narrow.

94brightcopy
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:47pm Top

#90 by southernbooklady> See post #19 by Tim above.

95anglimuse
Jul 2, 2013, 5:49pm Top

Love it - so far. Crisper design and functionality seems better, too.

96southernbooklady
Jul 2, 2013, 5:52pm Top

>94 brightcopy: I don't mind the top nonmoving nav bar. In fact, I kind of like it. But when I'm in talk, for example, I have to go to the top of the page to switch to a new group or thread. It would be nice if the side nav was just right there with me.

97mckait
Jul 2, 2013, 5:53pm Top

I like it a lot! I cant wait to see the finished version !

Well done Tim and company... as usual :) And thank you!

98lynnoconnacht
Jul 2, 2013, 6:04pm Top

#87 I would gladly reduce readability slightly if it meant I could use the new design for more than a few minutes at a time.

I love the sleekness of the new design and the new top nav. It's a gorgeous colour, but the contrast gives me a headache. :( Is there any chance you could lower it slightly? (The #FAFAFA from inside the comment box looks like it might work just fine. It really doesn't have to be a big change.)

99conceptDawg
Jul 2, 2013, 6:07pm Top

98: It's no different than it was with the old design. It's always been black text on a white background.

100lynnoconnacht
Jul 2, 2013, 6:12pm Top

#99 Yes, you said. That is not the contrast I'm talking about. The contrast I'm talking about is between the white background and the top nav.

101shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 6:14pm Top

>99 conceptDawg:, 100: And as I said in #77, it doesn't matter if it hasn't itself changed, if other things have changed enough to make it remarkable (as it has for at least three people, judging by this thread) then it's worth considering again.

102brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 6:15pm Top

#99 by conceptDawg> While I agree with you, I think we have to admit that the eyes sees more than what it's focusing on. I think it's altogether likely that for some people, the dark bar at the top is changing how their vision sees the rest of the page, even though it's not what is directly being focused on. It's like how if you see a color surrounded by another color, it will look totally different than if surrounded by white.

I also think it likely that different people are affected differently. Especially those whose monitors are calibrated differently or who have shorter vertical resolutions so that that dark bar takes up more overall monitor space.

Trying to think of a suggestion to actually help, though.

103brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 6:17pm Top

One thing worthwhile to ask of shanqui, lynnoconnacht and anyone else complaining of contrast: which part of the site have you been using that you're noticing it the most on. Have you been spending most of your time in Talk? The Home page? Work pages? etc.

104shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 6:21pm Top

>103 brightcopy:: Add books, talk pages. It doesn't seem to bother me as much on the home page now that I've got book covers showing there, or on work pages. Greater variety of colours on the page helps, perhaps.

105Littlemissbashful
Jul 2, 2013, 6:23pm Top

The top bar maybe shallower but the margins/columns (whatever you call them) either side seem to be a lot wider - is that true or is it something going on my end?

After an initial problem with it seeming to take forever to load any new page it seems to have freed up and be much quicker in loading everything including the usually slow to load book catalogue which is wonderful

I'm guessing it was Google Chrome causing problems before not the changes on site

106HuxleyTheCat
Jul 2, 2013, 6:23pm Top

I like it, but something that no-one else seems to have mentioned is that top-right my username, log-out, help, new comment etc, is now only half visible.

107brightcopy
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:30pm Top

I have to admit, I do find this:
http://i.imgur.com/QwRKfVP.png

a bit easier on the eyes than this:
http://i.imgur.com/dhaad2J.png

That's Talk, of course. Vast swathes of whitespace and nothing to break it up but the occasional black text and some pale message headers.

ETA: I must also add that this works in tandem with my other screen colors. If you have an altogether different color scheme or tend to keep other windows open that you see while looking at your LT window, it may be totally different for you.

108mckait
Jul 2, 2013, 6:27pm Top

I have to admit, I find white backgrounds hard on my eyes.. every site has it these days, and it can be quite uncomfortable if I'm on a site for long periods of time. Still, I like the changes. I thought I read somewhere that White it is and white it is going to stay, but I may have made that up?

109brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 6:29pm Top

#108 by mckait> As mentioned in the prior few messages, the background didn't get any more white than it already was (pure white). It's just that the top bar is dark and it can make your eye THINK it's more white (which isn't to say that readability being lower is "all in your head").

110PaperbackPirate
Jul 2, 2013, 6:34pm Top

I really like the new design. Thanks you guys! I used to be able to access my Early Reviewer information from the home page. Where can I find it now?

Thanks again for all the hard work.

111mckait
Jul 2, 2013, 6:34pm Top

No... I understand that it didn't get whiter. It has always bothered me. But as I said, I thought that somewhere in the dim past it was said that white background won't change. I just spend shorter periods of time online. That staves off the glare headaches.

My perfect website ( for me ) was many years ago.. and it had a pale blue background. I don't know what it was called. I had no issues with glare and there was plenty of contrast with the black. I don't expect to ever see that again, though. As I said, all sites seem to cling to white white these days.

112brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 6:38pm Top

#111 by mckait> FYI, for you and anyone else complaining about glare, I can provide a solution that will tweak the background color to something off white (or a color of your choosing). It may be that the default way LT does it never changes (they have to be as one-size-fits-all, after all). But it's something I could do pretty easily (and it'd be easy for you to turn on, as long as you use Chrome or Firefox).

113mckait
Jul 2, 2013, 6:40pm Top

I do use chrome, but keep in mind that the extent of my talent is to add italics and other simple html.
Also, I have a macbook, if that matters.

114Smiler69
Jul 2, 2013, 6:42pm Top

I liked the old design. There was nothing I'd call slick about it, but for that reason it created a friendlier environment somehow. This new look seems to me cold and lacks personality, but maybe that's just me. I'm grumpy today and really would have loved to find my good ol' LT.

115nessreader
Jul 2, 2013, 6:43pm Top

Thank you. Sorry I made a redundant complaint.

116mckait
Jul 2, 2013, 6:46pm Top

Brightcopy 112> I forgot to say thank you for even thinking of a suggestion :) I did manage to find a background color and change my twitter to it. I was very pleased with myself! So maybe??

117conceptDawg
Jul 2, 2013, 6:55pm Top

I mentioned that we had a beige background color at one point. I dug that up and here's a screenshot. This is actually the first design mock up that I presented to the team back when I started.


Click to see a bigger version.

What do people think about that? I'm not sure we will change away from white because there are other considerations to think about but your thoughts won't go unheard.

118mark
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:58pm Top

Awesome updates.* (This is to balance the 'I hate this and that' comments)

*Awesome updates.

** EDIT: F'ing square brackets

119shanaqui
Jul 2, 2013, 6:58pm Top

>117 conceptDawg:: I like that a lot. I wouldn't need it as dark as that to reduce the glare, but I think it looks nice.

120overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 7:03pm Top

>117 conceptDawg:

i have no problem at all with the white, but i actually really like this option, and if people are finding it hard to spend lots of time on the site because of the white, this seems like a great idea. like shanaqui said, maybe it doesn't even need to be that dark to still help people out.

121reconditereader
Jul 2, 2013, 7:20pm Top

>117 conceptDawg:
I like it -- it doesn't have to be quite that dark in order to help, you could go a shade or two lighter. Thanks for considering. *Or*, leave the background white but make the top navbar less dark and big.

122Littlemissbashful
Jul 2, 2013, 7:22pm Top

>117 conceptDawg:

Well I'm not sure about a tinted background but I actually prefer the general layout of that page in that everything is together with one bar down the right with stuff going on - where as now it seems to be in a relatively narrow field in the middle with 'two wide pavements' either side in a way it didn't seem to be before... but I think that's a Homepage layout change and not to do with the 'New Design' changes.

On my screen the tint in the example is very subtle indeed, I guess just not having a hard white helps but frankly anyone avoiding the brutal 'bumblebee' assault of the BBC Sports webpages gets my undying gratitude....

123booklover3258
Jul 2, 2013, 7:32pm Top

How will I know if I got a new message? In the old design, I would see highlighted yellow new message on top, will that be the same?

other than that, I like it!

124lynnoconnacht
Jul 2, 2013, 7:34pm Top

I concur with shanaqui too. Add books, talk, though the work pages aren't too great for me either. :( A greater colour variety does help a lot. I suspect it's because it cancels out some of the glare from the white space while the new top nav strengthens it in my peripheral vision no matter where I look on the page.

I've already got my monitor's brightness and contrast set as low as it'll go, so overriding LT's default colour scheme is pretty much the only way to make the new design useable for long. :( If we can't have a change of the default, I'd actually love to have a choice between the default pure white/high contrast site skin and an off-white/lower contrast one. Is that a possible solution? I mean, the colours are just a CSS file, so it wouldn't be that hard to maintain one more, would it? Is there another reason this isn't a viable solution? (Other than the fact that you'd need to code in the option to select one first.)

#112, I would dearly love that solution if it comes to it, brightcopy. Thank you (even just for offering).

125hailelib
Jul 2, 2013, 7:36pm Top

I rather like the example in 117. When I'm tired too much white white can bother me as well.

126conceptDawg
Jul 2, 2013, 7:41pm Top

123: There is a new message indicator next to your name. It only appears when you have a message and it now offers the added bonus of telling you how many messages you have waiting. I sent you a message so that you'll see it.

127LibraryPerilous
Jul 2, 2013, 7:43pm Top

>125 hailelib: Adding my voice to the chorus re: contrast. I'm definitely noticing more glare--from the dark top nav bar or maybe from the (seemingly) larger white space.

>112 brightcopy: I would love to have that option if LT isn't able to code something themselves or decides not to.

Overall, though, excellent upgrade and fun to play with!

128lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 7:50pm Top

117>

I'm fairly indifferent to beige vs. white, but I like the higher information density in your screenshot very much. It's no longer "Let's spread everything out as much as we possibly can".

129lilithcat
Jul 2, 2013, 7:57pm Top

I don't have a problem with the contrast, but the light beige would be fine with me, too, and it would be good to do something for those folks who do have difficulty with the contrast.

130FutureMrsJoshGroban
Jul 2, 2013, 7:58pm Top

The new design is too dark--and it almost looks like you're trying to look like Goodreads with all of the hard lines and dark colors. I like the old version better, and I'll keep using it as long as I can.

I've always appreciated librarything being a steady rock of constancy when faced with the constantly changing appearance of facebook--every time facebook changes its format I use it less and hate it more--and I don't want to feel the same way about librarything as I get on it every day!

131Runa
Jul 2, 2013, 7:58pm Top

Looks too much like Shelfari. Switched back to the old layout and keeping it that way as long as I possibly can.

132timspalding
Jul 2, 2013, 8:02pm Top

Okay, I'm back from dinner, and ploughing through this.

133krazy4katz
Jul 2, 2013, 8:06pm Top

So far I like the new design. A few bugs, but it seems more customizable (OK, Pedants, is that a word?), which will be nice once I get used to it.

134BuiltByBooks
Jul 2, 2013, 8:20pm Top

Apologies for my lack of coding terminology here; I study classics. As an idea for design and improved functionaility, is it feasible to have the top bar links shown when hovering with a mouse?

For example, to type this I'm in 'Talk', but instead of clicking on 'Home' to get the 'Profile' link to show up, could it appear whilst I hover the mouse over the 'Home' option?

135Shaika-Dzari
Jul 2, 2013, 8:26pm Top

I really like the new design. I think it's sleek and much more modern.

The way the header reacts (smaller font and logo) when you have a smaller window / resolution is cool.

136janeajones
Jul 2, 2013, 8:27pm Top

3/4 of my tags are not available -- I'm listed as having over 400 tags, but when I click on my tags -- only about 50 are available. WHAT'S GOING ON????

137Shaika-Dzari
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 8:31pm Top

>134 BuiltByBooks:
I think you can click on your name to access your profile from anywhere.

138BuiltByBooks
Jul 2, 2013, 8:32pm Top

137> Ya, Profile was a bad example. Let's go with Stats/Memes as a better one.

139Artymedon
Jul 2, 2013, 8:37pm Top

Could we have a flag/map of the world counter built in the page. It is fun to visualize new parts of the world?

140LolaWalser
Jul 2, 2013, 8:38pm Top

JMO

1. Tinted background would be good. The top does look rather "heavy" right now, especially with the non-moving. (Don't think I like the non-moving... and as southernbooklady said, it would be nice to have the left hand links follow the scrolling. One feels very adrift in the long threads, with empty spaces boxing the thread.)

2. How about changing what's currently blue in threads (headers, member name links, other) to brown/brownish more in sync with the top? Not same colour perhaps, but in the same range.

3. Top right corner stuff above the search box--"Member Name | Share | Sign out | Help"--looks rather crunched up compared to the left. Can it be stretched over the whole length of search box, and perhaps bolded to balance the tabs on the left?

141nandadevi
Jul 2, 2013, 8:41pm Top

Impressions:

I accept re-creation of website look/feel is necessary from time to time. Probably was time for LT. Point about it having to appeal to the new as well as the existing subscribers is taken. For prospective subscribers, LT exists in a competitive environment. Presumably more effort in time will go into portable device compatibility - not that I use 'modern portably technology' (I walk around with a printout from LT when shopping). Presumably more programming effort/cost dedicated in that direction.

Accept that customisation options (color particularly) are limited due to programming resource constraints. The high contrast looks 'snappier', and I adjust all bright white screens to softer now no matter which web page I am looking at (via monitor but there's probably a utility somewhere...). Perhaps one day we will be able to afford programming to enable customisation.

Dropping the 'Profile' tab and substituting the UserName (top-right of screen) kind of unsettling. Never used 'Home' in the old days. Can understand that 'corporately' promoting the 'Home' page makes sense (corporately). Noted that I can 'bounce' to the 'Profile' page by clicking on the 'Profile' image (the primary image) that is displayed on my 'Home' page. Mostly though I bounce to the 'Profile' page from places like 'YourBooks' or 'AddBooks', and for that I now have to click on the username in the top right.

After-thought:

Discussion on limited programming resources and making best use of them in terms of site design puts me in mind of the whole issue of the viability of LT. For various reasons I expect LT will be constrained in discussing how it 'funds' itself and how it sees its future prospects. Seems to me that lifetime memberships have blocked off revenue in that direction, and LT is reluctant to accept advertising - but if it came to a choice between viability and otherwise then perhaps..? If perhaps only the 'free' membership versions (but do they represent the bulk of views?), and perhaps a ticker-tape rather than screen acreage (does this word work in a metric age?).

Or perhaps subscribers voting on changes desired, costing them and putting them back to subscribers to fund (crowd-sourcing essentially) once a year or so. Kind of like Wpedia does except more tied to user-requested improvements.

142alsvidur
Jul 2, 2013, 8:49pm Top

Adding another voice to the people who are having problems with the white contrast. I would absolutely love it if brightcopy or conceptdawg would make a low-contrast option available, but until then, I will simply adjust my monitor whenever I get on LT. Thank you, LT staff, for making the transition smooth!

143Crypto-Willobie
Jul 2, 2013, 8:57pm Top

I'm pretty easy to please but I gotta say I really hate the arid glare of the new look, and long for the calming pastel/salmon/blue we had. Who cares what decade someone thinks it evokes....

144timspalding
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 8:58pm Top

Changes:

The covers are so BIG!!! (ETC.)

I've gone down one in the default size for recommendations. It's my feeling that recent books should be smaller than recommendations, and the recommendations were large enough to usually read the title of the book. But enough people objected that I'm going to try down a size. You can, of course, choose to see them at any size. Choose "Settings" from the home-page module in question.

Terminology is inconsistent - I click on a link to "remove" a module and am given a confirmation box to "delete" it.

Good catch. Fixed.

It seems to default to a text list, while the previous text lists of recommendations now seem to default to pictures. Not helpful. I know what my books look like. I don't know what books I don't have look like, and tiny picture are not always readable.

Good catch. I changed the default--it is now covers.

The recommendations stay with covers as the default. I think it's better on average. However, I've made them SMALLER, by popular request. Your request is clearly in the other direction…


Other:

What is "unused" supposed to mean?

It's for the modules you have deleted from everywhere else, so you can't lose them entirely. I'm open as to a better name.

making the covers smaller doesn't seem to make the overall height of the module smaller in sync.

Yes and no. It makes it smaller, but not enough. I'm adding it to my list to look at when the hard-core bugs are over.

I'm glad I can't see the apparent lines between the main sections on the black top bar - please don't make them bigger, this looks much cleaner.

Yeah, they're subtle. We tried it with very sharp white lines and it looks far too divided--chopped up. The current version is subtle for most, but with anything like that 25% will have their contrast turned up so high they don't see it at all.

I understand why people would ask for LT to allow you to view it in the old scheme indefinitely, but I don't think you realize just how much work you're asking them to do (speaking with my web programmer hat on now). ... You're basically asking for less time spent on other features/bugfixes of LT.

Right. We have to choose something and move forward on it. Keeping an old design requires updating two designs, chasing down bugs in both, etc.

And there was also a very real effect that LT's out-of-date styling was putting off new users, leaving it to potentially come to a dead end.

While our first audience is current LT users, is hasn't escaped our notice that outsiders see considerable improvement. Outsiders see a site that looked dated and old. The new design corrects that, while having the same organization as before and changing almost nothing beneath the navigation bar.

I'd certainly prefer the burgundy that bestem talks about above - like the t-shirts?

ConceptDawg/Chris played around with red a lot. We couldn't get it to work.

The top colour is perhaps a bit dark?

So, monitors differ a lot. The "average" here is a dark chocolate-y brown. But that means some will see a milk chocolate and some will see an almost-black. Lighter browns get problemmatic. A lot of the designs ConceptDawg tried were basically poop-colored. You don't want to be within one "standard monitor deviation" of poop.

with this small font, much needed
The high contrast causes a glare that hurts my eyes

For what it's worth, the font size didn't change and the text has always been black on white.

I'm confused, I clicked to compare with the original design but the home page just seems to be showing the new design layout but in the original colours - or not?

Right. So two things happened today: (1) A new design, (2) An update of the home page(s). The design can be reverted for now. The home-page update cannot.

But what's with this DASHBOARD business ... horrible affectation

Feel free to suggest a better term for it. It's your "main" home page. The term is used in various other web applications. But I'm open to changing it.

I also liked the display of the last 17 books added that use to be there. It was a quick reminder of what covers I still needed to edit*.

You can change how many rows it shows. Click "Settings" on the module in question. The previous system was to allow you to show a number, which, rather than filling the rows, might end up taking up 0.7 rows, 1.5 rows or 3.2 rows. That was wasteful.

Anything I seemed to care about seems to be gone or just changed to be way less useful.

No modules have been removed. You objected to seeing text not covers. Click the link "covers" to see covers.

Would really like these side by side

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B03XfEC2_B2Gdjd1bjB2a1AwVjA/edit?usp=sharing


Meh. I hear you, but adding columns isn't going to help the people with small screens, and combining two different concepts into one module is problemmatic. I suppose I could make a special module that combined the two?

The new top nav is actually quite a bit SMALLER (vertically) than the old top nav.

It's 25% smaller, to be precise.

I've just check "my books" and the screen changes are super fast, virtually no loading time required.

Yes, it's a good deal faster.

Now that you prompt me to look more closely, though, I'm slightly missing the way the y and g used to overhang the top block. Probably too complicated to code now, but it was distinctive.

I love you. Thanks. I thought I was the only person who liked that. ConceptDawg hated it.

I cant wait to see the finished version !

Well, it's close.

I like it, but something that no-one else seems to have mentioned is that top-right my username, log-out, help, new comment etc, is now only half visible.

Can you describe a bit more? Is it cut off to the right? On top? Too light?

No... I understand that it didn't get whiter. It has always bothered me.

So, the problem is that when we put text on an off-white, other people will rise up to say the readability has gone down. It's too "muddy." Etcetera.

ConceptDawg, what if we just changed the body color, optionally?

How will I know if I got a new message? In the old design, I would see highlighted yellow new message on top, will that be the same?

You get a yellow box with the number of new messages. It's arresting enough to see, believe me.

is it feasible to have the top bar links shown when hovering with a mouse?

Aren't they showing a difference for you. For the top it should change the brown to red. For the subnav it should change the background color to white and add an underlining highlight to the box.

janeajones: 3/4 of my tags are not available

Moved to the bugs thread and added it myself http://athena.librarything.com/topic/156007#4176147

2. How about changing what's currently blue in threads (headers, member name links, other) to brown/brownish more in sync with the top? Not same colour perhaps, but in the same range.

Yeah, I think we're all agreed on the blue in Talk threads being somehow discordant. ConceptDawg will think about it.

Mostly though I bounce to the 'Profile' page from places like 'YourBooks' or 'AddBooks', and for that I now have to click on the username in the top right.

I hear you. It's just that each tab adds but it also takes away. Profile is available from your name, and it's available from any of the "you" pages that cluster together--home, stats, reviews, etc. Ultimately, it was weighing us down.

Seems to me that lifetime memberships have blocked off revenue in that direction, and LT is reluctant to accept advertising - but if it came to a choice between viability and otherwise then perhaps..?

LibraryThing makes it by (1) being small, (2) selling a lot of stuff to libraries. We do not anticipate trying to make more money from the LibraryThing.com site itself. Indeed, we'll probably be going the other way--making it free. Not now, but, I think, eventually.

145casaloma
Jul 2, 2013, 8:58pm Top

"For those that really utterly hate the unmoving top bar, I will provide a very easy Stylish style that will make it not fixed.

We'll be providing an option to do that. But not for a few days, for the reason BC says."

Good! Thank you for providing that option.

146lilithcat
Jul 2, 2013, 9:10pm Top

> 144

It's for the modules you have deleted from everywhere else, so you can't lose them entirely. I'm open as to a better name.

How about "unused modules" or "other modules"?

Though I will say that that isn't really accurate (nor is "unused"), because there are modules listed under the other headings that don't appear under "unused".

147keristars
Jul 2, 2013, 9:14pm Top

Now that I'm home and have been catching up on Talk threads with the new scheme, I have to say that my initial comment about text sizes is apparently slightly in error - it's referring entirely to the sub-nav on the homepage which is far too small, but isn't present on Talk or Work pages.

Also, I really liked the look of the site earlier this afternoon, but after spending a good deal of time reading threads, I have to say:

The dark brown with the bright white tab in the middle is making me feel incredibly anxious. Like, there's something about that dark bar hovering there that is very upsetting to me, and the white tab isn't helping. It just feels incredibly wrong, and this is me really liking the way it looks.

Tim mentioned possibly turning off the stickiness/non-scrolling part of the navbar, and I know brightcopy says it's entirely possible to do with Stylish. Please implement that sooner rather than later!

I tend to feel very claustrophobic with bars like that on webpages and have opened sites in new tabs rather than iframes and so on in order to avoid it. I've never had a problem with the catalogue/Your Books page, likely because it's so much lighter and feels less intrusive, but this dark brown thing up there has to go. The more I've used the site tonight, the more it is bothering me, both on Talk and the Work pages. It's also bothering me on the catalogue page, which is a new thing.

148BuiltByBooks
Jul 2, 2013, 9:19pm Top

144>

Sorry, my terminology is a bit off. What I meant was, as a shortcut, is it possible to have the home subnav displayed when you hover with the mouse over home?

149sibyx
Jul 2, 2013, 9:20pm Top

I would prefer to have "Profile" which I use a lot on the topmost bar. As of now I have to take an extra step to get to it - that seems like going backwards......

The new look seems a bit severe aesthetically. I don't mind change, but this doesn't feel quite right.

150overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 9:22pm Top

>149 sibyx:

but you can always get to your profile by clicking your name, which is on every page, so there's no extra step there.

151reconditereader
Jul 2, 2013, 9:25pm Top

>147 keristars:, the new look actually bothers me LESS in the catalog...

I think what bothers me now is that it is a HUGE DARK thing taking up a lot of the top of my visual space, and because it's fixed, it ALWAYS takes up a lot of space. It leaves me less space to view the content of talk. Also, it drags my eyes away from the content.

152keristars
Jul 2, 2013, 9:30pm Top

151> Yes, I think that's why the bright white (pinkish/beige) tab in the middle is bothering me so much on the talk page, also. It keeps dragging my eyes towards itself as an aberration or something? I'm not sure...

Definitely that's why the brown is bothersome. It's not fading into the background, like it needs to. (And, I'll continue to note that overall, I do like the like of the new scheme. I want to love it! But the more I use it, the less I like this element of it.)

It almost seems to be exaggerating the white space to the left and right of the talk column, also.

153BuiltByBooks
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 9:33pm Top

>151 reconditereader:, I have to disagree. The fixed menu is perfect when viewing topics like this. I use LT on a laptop and iPad and so far I haven't had to scroll way up to change section.

154jlshall
Jul 2, 2013, 9:31pm Top

Too much brown - I would have preferred just about any other color (even salmon). Otherwise, everything looks surprisingly OK.

155keristars
Jul 2, 2013, 9:31pm Top

Also, too, another thing: what happened to the indicator on my talk posts that they're from me? I miss it quite a lot.

156lorax
Jul 2, 2013, 9:33pm Top

155>

Good catch, I hadn't noticed that it was missing. Maybe when they revamp the salmon-and-blue color scheme for Talk message headers they can bring it back.

157ELEkstrom
Jul 2, 2013, 9:34pm Top

I like it. It looks clean and I like the chocolate brown, too.

158keristars
Jul 2, 2013, 9:35pm Top

153> You reminded me to check how the new Talk looks on my phone. I peeked at it earlier, but forgot - and the navbar does work really nicely on that tiny screen. It isn't nearly so crowded feeling - but, then, everything on my phone is crowded feeling or tiny! :P

(I love that the logo changes. I noticed that it was just an L on my work computer, but didn't realize it was intentional when I saw the full version on my laptop this evening.)

159vancouverdeb
Jul 2, 2013, 9:38pm Top

I don't like it. I don't like all the graphics of the recommendations on my home page, nor my books. I want to see things quickly without a lot more graphics.

160vancouverdeb
Jul 2, 2013, 9:39pm Top

Now that I've reverted back, I also much prefer the older colours. Easier on the eyes.

161Crypto-Willobie
Jul 2, 2013, 9:39pm Top

> 143... but though I dislike the glare, I LOVE the modules and the way you can build your own home page. I may get used to the glare, I dunno. But someone tell me, is it my imagination or is there more white space between items/lines with sections, such as between each book added, etc? I think the addition of interstitial white space between line items contributes to the glare effect...

162brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 9:41pm Top

"it looks like goodreads!"
(paraphrased)



What ARE you people talking about? I mean, other than it being more MODERN than it was, it and GR are miles apart. It looks like GR in as much as it looks like any other website that's been refreshed in the last 5 years.

163brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 9:43pm Top

#159 by vancouverdeb> I don't like it. I don't like all the graphics of the recommendations on my home page, nor my books. I want to see things quickly without a lot more graphics.

Did you notice the buttons where you can turn all the graphics off?

Honestly, people are FAR too quick to decide they hate things before even considering that maybe the LT staff have given you even more options than you had before.

There are legitimate gripes, but there are far more gripes that are just based on not taking the time to simply look around.

164overlycriticalelisa
Jul 2, 2013, 9:46pm Top

>162 brightcopy:

also there's a navigation bar at the top. ;)

165brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 9:53pm Top

#164 by @elisa.saphier> Yeah, I liked it so much better when LT didn't have a navigation bar at the top. ;)

166lilithcat
Jul 2, 2013, 9:55pm Top

> 159

You can change the covers to text. Where it says "titles | covers | shelf", click on "titles".

167Meredy
Jul 2, 2013, 9:57pm Top

Please put a 'Profile' tab back on the other pages.

168MerryMary
Jul 2, 2013, 10:07pm Top

You don't need it, Meredy. Just click your name and you'll go straight to your Profile. A profile tab would be redundant.

169brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 10:08pm Top

I'm happy to see it go. And doubly happy that clicking on my name takes me to profile, because that's what I was constantly doing thinking that's what it would do instead of taking me to Home, even though I've been on the site for years now.

170lisa875
Jul 2, 2013, 10:09pm Top

Nice. I like the pictures of the covers of the recommended books. Everything new takes getting used to but it looks good.

171norabelle414
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 10:12pm Top

>169 brightcopy: I would do that too. Pretty much the only time I used the home page was when I accidentally went there while trying to get to my profile.

172gennyt
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 10:18pm Top

I'm sorry to see the lovely salmon colour go. Guess I'll get used to the dark brown in time, but I have for the first time this evening felt the need to reduce the brightness of my screen because the contrast between all that white space and the dark top has felt too much.

The automatic reduction of the site name to the logo when reducing screen size is good, but the wide left margin remains the same, so when it comes to browsing on my small smart phone screen, I will need to do far more scrolling to the right to reach the central column. I used to find the old home page relatively easy to navigate on my phone, but it feels much harder now.

Ps - What an impossible job you have, trying to keep even the majority of us happy! I may grumble at the aspects of the changes which I don't like, but I realise that others like the very things that I don't and vice versa...

173brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 10:32pm Top

A suggestion on how to tighten up some of the vertical whitespace:



Basically, I moved "All recommendations" up to the top right and tightened up some of the extra top/bottom space.

There are several of these cover sections, depending on how you have it set up. Similar things can be done with the other sections without making it look too crowded.

174framboise
Jul 2, 2013, 10:35pm Top

#117: I like this version MUCH better.

175jasbro
Jul 2, 2013, 10:36pm Top

Crap.

176dukeallen
Jul 2, 2013, 10:41pm Top

Looks like change for the sake of change, which I despise. Not into the color or the fact I had to learn it just to set things back as close to how I had them as possible.

177MarcusH
Jul 2, 2013, 10:45pm Top

So far I'm not a huge fan of the layout. I really, really liked that Early reviewers came up on the right side of the old layout as well as the Members Giveaways. I can't seem to find them now on the new layout without searching, which I know will be problematic for some of my less computer savvy friends that enjoy the site.

178CurrerBell
Jul 2, 2013, 10:49pm Top

177>> Agree on the Early Reviewers data. I had to go to the Early Reviewers group to get a link to my list of ER reviews and what (only one, and I haven't gotten the book yet) reviews are still outstanding.

179Soniamarie
Jul 2, 2013, 10:51pm Top

I can find the Early Reviewers stuff. I don't mind the new design, but how about putting that data back in the sidebar? Find Early Reviewers here...and also You have blank number of ER books. You have blank left to review...I need that.

180justjim
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:00pm Top

I was directed here from bottom of the "How tag watch should work thread, but I'm not seeing any discussion of that. Please let me know if there's a specific current thread for that.

edit: Never mind. I found the New home - comments thread. Moved question to there.

Would it be possible to include the coloured check-marks on the tag watch covers like the "Top wishlisted books", etc?

181Vivl
Jul 2, 2013, 10:58pm Top

The things that bug me most have been mentioned before: the large font in the top menu bar and lack of definition between tabs, and the clash of the blue links/headers with the brown (which I understand will be looked into.) On balance, I currently prefer the old scheme but am sure you will tweak things in a positive way.

182rsterling
Jul 2, 2013, 10:58pm Top

176-180: You're talking about the Home page, which is for discussion on another thread:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/156006

This current thread is about just the top bar navigation and color, basically.

183LolaWalser
Jul 2, 2013, 11:00pm Top

The brown on top seems a little lighter now, and there seems to be a gradient--lighter on top shading into darker on the bottom. Assuming I'm not "seeing things"--I like it.

184brightcopy
Jul 2, 2013, 11:08pm Top

#182 by rsterling> And the second-level navigation bar you get when you go to Profile. And probably the left navigation that shows up in Talk and a number of other pages. I THINK that about covers it.

185benuathanasia
Jul 2, 2013, 11:16pm Top

I'm another one that wants the Early reviewer stuff back in an easy to find location (not the bottom of the page like legal fine print). Other than that, I like the new design.

186PaperbackPirate
Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:19pm Top

#177-179 Early Reviewers can be added back to your homepage by:

1. Click on Home
2. Click on Books on the left hand side
3. Hover the mouse over the Early Reviewers gray bar and "Add to Dashboard" will appear
4. Click on Add to Dashboard

#185
* edited to add if you Click on Reorder on the gray bar on your homepage you can move it where you please

187elenchus
Jul 2, 2013, 11:20pm Top

In the left nav, I like the bar indicating current selection is now deep red rather than the blue.

Would like to see it / something similar indicating my own posts within Talk, as mentioned above by keristars in >155 keristars:.

188bestem
Jul 3, 2013, 12:19am Top

>117 conceptDawg:
I don't have any problems with the white background, but I do like that lightly colored background in the mock-up more than all white. I also like all the teal in it...the teal is pretty,

189BigKahunaBookSavoury
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 12:26am Top

I don't like the dark brown. it's a depressing color. It would be nice if, like blogger, someone would choose a color scheme, or have a couple of choices, including a lighter shade for the header.

Is there a way to re-order the way things appear on our dashboards? I would like to move covers below catalogs. (Nevermind, I just saw where to do so. thx.)

I checked quickly and may have missed this option.

190CurrerBell
Jul 3, 2013, 12:27am Top

189>> There's supposed to be a way to reorder the Dashboard, but it doesn't seem to work. There's a Reorder button that you click in a module, and that collapses the modules and give you an instruction to click-and-drag to move the modules. My click-and-drag attempts have been unsuccessful.

191PhaedraB
Jul 3, 2013, 12:36am Top

Re 188, Please, please, please don't do chocolate and teal. It's very fashionable, but it makes my eyes hurt.

192timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 12:40am Top

Also, too, another thing: what happened to the indicator on my talk posts that they're from me? I miss it quite a lot.

Good catch. Added to our list.

I don't like it. I don't like all the graphics of the recommendations on my home page, nor my books. I want to see things quickly without a lot more graphics.

Change it. It's exactly one click. Click "Titles."

Nice. I like the pictures of the covers of the recommended books. Everything new takes getting used to but it looks good.

And that's why we did it.

the glare

It's puzzling to me. I really wonder if people would be saying it if the idea hadn't gotten started somehow. The top is darker, but otherwise it's exactly the same--black text on white.

What ARE you people talking about?

Beer? I need one too, BC.

Honestly, people are FAR too quick to decide they hate things before even considering that maybe the LT staff have given you even more options than you had before.

Thanks. Exactly so.

A suggestion on how to tighten up some of the vertical whitespace

Good idea.

We used to have a lot of these "more" links in the headers. But people didn't click them. So we added them at the end, taking up more space. It was intentional.

The brown on top seems a little lighter now

Hmm. Hasn't changed. Hmm.

193PhaedraB
Jul 3, 2013, 12:49am Top

192 > the glare

It's puzzling to me. I really wonder if people would be saying it if the idea hadn't gotten started somehow. The top is darker, but otherwise it's exactly the same--black text on white.


The brain doesn't process color or contrast quite that simply. Next to the now very much darker header, the white background looks that much brighter. It's the same reason that the red when used in the bar against the brown looks very different when used against the white background.

Some examples:

http://www.archimedes-lab.org/color_optical_illusions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion

And thanks to my professor in art school 40 years ago who made us spend an entire semester with cut-up pieces of colored paper making things that messed with your color-perceiving brain.

194avatiakh
Jul 3, 2013, 1:04am Top

Just want to say that I love the new look

195timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 1:14am Top

Thanks.

BTW: It's been slow. We're working on it. It's half related and half unrelated.

196Collectorator
Jul 3, 2013, 1:15am Top

O good night. I changed the angle of my laptop screen in relation to the keyboard, and VIOLA! Suddenly I see the chocolate bar! Methinks melikes it. :)

197timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 1:37am Top

'Night

198NorthernStar
Jul 3, 2013, 2:08am Top

I love the new options to customize, and the top menu bar always being available.

The top bar, though, on both home and work computers looks more black than brown, and really "heavy" across the top. I can see your point that making it a lighter shade might make it look poop coloured to some, but what about reversing the nice red-brown that you get with a mouse-over with the dark dark brown? Or going with a lighter brown but with a bit of a red tone to avoid the "poopiness". Or switching the dark red used in the stripe with the black/dark brown). (I did try the monitor recalibration, but it didn't seem to help).

I do agree with some others that some sections (especially those showing covers) seem to take up excessive screen real-estate at this point.

Love that tag watch is back, I've missed it.

I also liked the former y and g overhang.

And I sure appreciate your hard work, and how fast you respond to our comments, and I feel very fortunate to be a LibraryThinger!

199HuxleyTheCat
Jul 3, 2013, 2:32am Top

> 106.

Anyone have any idea what's happening here. I only have the bottom half - less probably. It's a problem no-one else has mentioned, but it's only a problem since the change, so is definitely LT-related.

200Collectorator
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 2:46am Top

The new design includes a new default cover for works with no cover??

I was about to flag it as "Not a cover" when I realized it's all over the place.

Not sure what I think about it. No objections really. But what used to go there??? It was a blank box wasn't it?

eta: It's still a blank box when you do a search, but on Lists it's the new image. (???)

eta II: Now I see that the new image is on Series, which will be such a Great Help. Thank you so much!!

201papyri
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 2:41am Top

Really like the concept version >117 conceptDawg:

Sidebars are a good thing. Liked having On this Day on the side.

> 106 issue. The headers on the upper right are all cut-off/hidden in the internet explorer window in the new version. They are fine in the old version.

202nandadevi
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 3:17am Top

Responding 190: When re-ordering the sections on the home page (via the re-order option) I was getting 'unintended consequences' until I learnt to click and drag on an empty part of any of the Section 'Bars', rather than on the Section 'title' contained within the bar. The Section 'title' is a hot link in its own right and is still (kind of) active even when you are in the re-ordering screen page (where all you expect is for the bars to be drag-able (rather than linkable)).

Responding 149: I've come around to the notion of jumping directly to the 'Profile' page from anywhere within LT by clicking on my username in the top right corner. That's presuming you already have the LT webpage loaded. If you are loading LT however, which page does it initially default to (the 'Home' page or the 'Profile' page)? In my case I use a short-cut thingy (the excellent SpeedDial) that reads: http://www.librarything.com/profile/myusername (replace 'myusername' with whatever your username is). Which takes me directly to the 'Profile' page.

Preference: That the 'Reorder-Remove-Settings' options that currently become visible at the end of each Section 'Bar' when 'mousing over' them, be changed to permanently visible. For the (very small) added screen 'clutter' the minimisation of momentary confusion might be worth it. And things popping into existence and out again (on the screen, as in life) can be distracting...

Generally: The speed with which the 'Your Books' lists come up now is a tremendous improvement. I can now set the 'number to display' per screen page (in list 'edit view styles') to 200 without having to wait minutes for it to refresh. Ability to scroll back through recently added from the home page is great, as is tag-watch and the helpers page.

Concluding: After setting all the options and re-ordering to my own 'Home' it's now a place I'm happy to make my default entry point. Impressive LT administrator support and feedback (as others have mentioned) as usual. Puts LT in a class of its own.

203nandadevi
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 2:52am Top

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204geitebukkeskjegg
Jul 3, 2013, 3:15am Top

Extremely happy that TagWatch is back!

Oh, and I also do like the new design.

205urania1
Jul 3, 2013, 4:03am Top

In terms of style, it looks clunky. I prefer the old look more.

206bookel
Jul 3, 2013, 4:09am Top

I wanted to put "Your collections" at the top as I had it in the old view, which I reverted to (dislike the new fixed bar at the top of the new design, as it limits the amount of space on screen). But I see the 'new' home page is there with all the clutter. Figured out how to remove some, but can't seem to reorder when I click on the modules in reorder view, they won't move.

Also: with the new design, I cannot click on the Search box at top right. The text at top right overlaps the search box... If you enlarge fonts, you would probably see the overlap. Design needs to accomodate text size changes.

207reading_fox
Jul 3, 2013, 4:25am Top

I think I don't liek the contrast between the very heavy brown top and the generally pale rest of the site. I like the idea of a fixed header, but the its too intense and drags my attention away from the rest of the page.

As others - the blue talk headers don't really work now. Also more seperation between header tabs.

Don't really like the absence of profile tab, but may remember and get used to it. I assume profile message notifications will still highlight sensibly.

208TheBookSavoury
Jul 3, 2013, 4:31am Top

Is it still possible to drag and drop to organize our collections? The sorting options are all I could find for this section.

209bookel
Jul 3, 2013, 4:33am Top

PS. Hope there's no fixed header on a phone screen as there's even less room there...

210LovingLit
Jul 3, 2013, 4:34am Top

I agree with this.

211Collectorator
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 4:43am Top

208, I found the way to do that...On your collections box to the far right, hover and click Settings. The top of the box has a dropdown for changing the order from your own default to alphabetical or by book count.

umm I think I misread you. Sorry. Looking for it now.

There's a Collection Manager from the dropdown in your catalog that is still there.
And there's a Collection Manager on the page where you edit a work you have cataloged.

212alaudacorax
Jul 3, 2013, 5:45am Top

Looking at Tim's very long post at #144, where I couldn't see the blue, 'unread' bar above each post, it seemed to me that the increased glare I'm feeling here is something to do with the blue. I've been navigating up and down between the blue 'unread' and light-brown 'read' posts and the latter seem to me to be more comfortable to read.

Sorry if someone's already posted in this; but there are too many new posts appearing for me to keep up.

213browner56
Jul 3, 2013, 6:09am Top

I've tried to add the Early Reviewers information back to my Dashboard, as per Paperback Pirate's (#186) helpful comment.

It worked initially, but when I subsequently reloaded the Dashboard page, the Early Reviewers bar went blank and the message "No module yet" appeared where the text and walking bird symbol should be. Also, I can't get rid of that blank area and, since I tried this process twice, I now have two such voids.

Has anyone else had this problem?

214charl08
Jul 3, 2013, 6:15am Top

is it possible to have 'currently reading' on the front page? I have tried playing around with the settings, but no luck so far. Sorry if I have repeated a question already asked.

215mckait
Jul 3, 2013, 6:29am Top

117> BACKGROUND color is great in that example!

216Lost_Lenore
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 6:38am Top

I love this new look. It's simple, clean and easy to understand. Congrats :)

217mysterymax
Jul 3, 2013, 6:41am Top

I don't like it. Period.

Tried to "revert" to old design and all it did was change the color of the top bar.

Dashboard? What am I doing here? Driving a car?

All the 'customizing' I had done on the old design is gone. Do I feel like starting over? No.

218tandah
Jul 3, 2013, 7:20am Top

Love the new - freshens things up and very clean. Like the time line on newly uploaded books.

219reading_fox
Jul 3, 2013, 7:21am Top

in Talk, the new blue doesn't contrast well enough with the dark purple of the read threads. Obviously this is somewhat monitor brouser dpeendant, but for me anyway the colours need a tweak.

And I'm more and more convinced that the heavy brown topbar makes the rest of the page look even more washed out. ('d much ratehr the brown lightened than all the other colours intensified).

220majkia
Jul 3, 2013, 7:29am Top

As usual, people bitch without even taking the time to look around and CUSTOMIZE. Sheesh.

Tim, ConceptDawg, great work. I love that it is so easy to customize everything.

221MyriadBooks
Jul 3, 2013, 7:42am Top

Huh. I like it. My reaction at first look was actually, Oooo. Haven't tried playing with the customization yet, but kudos on the default appearance and methodology of introducing the change.

222AndreasJ
Jul 3, 2013, 7:43am Top

You get a yellow box with the number of new messages. It's arresting enough to see, believe me.

Now you're scaring me. I'm thinking of another page I'm on where the new message indicator makes you think you're about to be arrested.

223andyl
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 9:44am Top

#217 - Dashboard? What am I doing here? Driving a car?

Dashboard is a common term for a certain type of user interface. Used all over the place - Macs, Google, loads of business software. It is an obvious analogy to the dashboard on a vehicle - which also presents lots of disparate information in a neat set of dials.

224vy0123
Jul 3, 2013, 8:04am Top

1. The L logo doesn't look right.
2. Would prefer Groups | Talk to be one tab Discuss.
3. The Groups, Talk finer distinction would be a subnav thing.
4. Use some gold foil in the chocolate-y theme?

225lorax
Jul 3, 2013, 8:18am Top

173>

That's not the biggest vertical whitespace problem for me though; the biggest issue is that when you use smaller covers, the space allotted for them doesn't shrink, so you're left with a nice-sized cover with whitespace above and below that's about the same vertical size as the covers (at least for a single row.)

226briarhills
Jul 3, 2013, 8:23am Top

I'm loving the chocolate browns and warm reds, they make me feel warm and fuzzy and happy. Also liking the the new navigation system, it works for me very well. Great job!

227sibyx
Jul 3, 2013, 8:45am Top

'Dashboard ' - the problem is it just hasn't got anything to do with books......


My Endpapers

228Bookmarque
Jul 3, 2013, 8:50am Top

Which doesn't matter since this is software...an interface for cataloging books...but most software packages have a dashboard. I know my company's product does. Says it right there in big letters and none of our clients have ever complained that dashboard has nothing to do with their business vertical.

229AnnaClaire
Jul 3, 2013, 8:58am Top

OK, is anyone else seeing what I get on the home page where the number of books in "recently added" can only be changed in number of shelves? Because that's a pretty big mismatch.

230Nicole_VanK
Jul 3, 2013, 9:05am Top

> 229: Yeah, I've seen it too. But see Tim in 144:

You can change how many rows it shows. Click "Settings" on the module in question. The previous system was to allow you to show a number, which, rather than filling the rows, might end up taking up 0.7 rows, 1.5 rows or 3.2 rows. That was wasteful.

So I guess it's a feature.

231AnnaClaire
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 9:08am Top

Yeah, but not if you use titles. If you use titles, it's a bug.

232Nicole_VanK
Jul 3, 2013, 9:10am Top

Ah, yes, of course.

233sibyx
Jul 3, 2013, 9:19am Top

228 Well, yes, of course. One can accept the standard or one can innovate in a creative and original way when the opportunity presents itself. To me 'dashboard' connotes urgency, efficiency and 'go-getterness' and that works quite well for businesses. In my regular life, my dashboard helps keep me organized and together. But LT is a leisure site, essentially, for booklovers, a place I come to mess around with my books and friends here. However maybe 'dashboard' is becoming like 'table of contents' in a book, just a word that defines a function. The question is has it 'hardened' into firm usage, no other options?

And really Tim - I'm fine if dashboard has to be just that.

234Lostshadows
Jul 3, 2013, 9:37am Top

No modules have been removed.

They may still exist, but they're no longer on my homepage by default. And given the layout issues I'm having, I don't feel inclined to track them down and add them to "the great honkin' column o' doom."

I have a bigger issue with the four and half inches of dead space in the new design. Strangely, you don't seem to have addressed that.

235mysterymax
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 9:44am Top

Well, I didn't mean to stir things up. I can ignore the word 'dashboard'. I don't think it fits with the warm/cozy of LT, but what do I know?

I like the customizing - but it would be quite nice to put modules that I don't use at all in 'unused' rawther than have them showing... if we are talking about making it really 'our own'. (Example: If I never look at 'Hot This Month' why shouldn't I dump it in 'Unused'?

The talk threads - before there was a nice bar marking where your comments were in a tread, now it seems that instead your name is pink instead of blue/black. It isn't very visible. How about something that would be quite visible? Thanks.

I've just spent three hours rearranging stuff. I wish there was a way to add some of the items to underneath the side bars. While white is clean it also means you have to scroll down a long list to get to stuff that could be small and on the side. Waste of space and time - imo.

236srtsrt
Jul 3, 2013, 9:47am Top

I like the new look. The only item I haven't been able to find is the "Recently Added by Members". I found some great books by reading that list. Hope it's just hidden. Thanks for all the hard work put into this site to keep it timely.

237Lostshadows
Jul 3, 2013, 9:50am Top

#186- No you can't move things where you please. You can move them up or down in the center, but they're still stuck in the center.

If you have more than a couple of things there, things get hard to find.

238ReneeGKC
Jul 3, 2013, 9:57am Top

Much prefer salmon color, brown not pretty for me.

I had a starting routine, looking at items on right side of page; now it's empty and they are too large. Feel uncomfortable, unwelcome.

Like the settings aspect, however when I sort my tags alphabetically, I'm then reading across L to R, but eye expects A-F in first column, i.e., reading down. Option for this?

Do not like having to see the total number of books in my lib right above recent titles/covers. Could that be a removable option?

I really prefer my dashboards on the top, not taking up screen real estate on the side, and without customizable relocation options.

I didn't need a re-do; I adore the old landing page. Perhaps there could be a template.

Congratulations on your programming accomplishment, however.

239keristars
Jul 3, 2013, 10:00am Top

209> Actually, I think the fixed header works really well on my phone. It's much smaller (or feels that way), and in Talk threads, at least, gives me an easy way to get back to the main list without using the back button, which I am constantly unable to not double-tap.

I like it less on my laptop, where it feels too big and claustrophobic. We'll see if i like it better at work, which has a narrower monitor resolution.

240calm
Jul 3, 2013, 10:26am Top

The dark colour is fine for me. It actually works well with the colour scheme of my browser:)

I'm sure I'll get used to it but, like some others have said, the header does seem to draw the eye away from the content of the page. Also I am not sure if the tab for the page I am on needs to be so obvious and might be one of the things that is catching my attention.

Also I still keep hitting the home button on my keyboard to get back to the top of the page which I no longer need to do as we now have the fixed header.

Both niggles are probably things I can adjust to given some time. So, on the whole, I like the new look.

241brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 10:36am Top

So much of these comments are about the HOME page (including Dashboard). Just letting you know that the effectiveness of your complaints is going to be reduced by posting them here instead of in

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156006

This thread is about:
* Top bar navigation and color
* Second-level navigation bar you get when you go to Profile (shows "Home Profile Connections Recommendations Reviews Stats/Memes Clouds Authors"
* The left navigation bars on all pages (e.g. the one at the top-left showing "All topics, Hot topics, Bug tracking"
* Various aspects that might have slipped in due to the above changes

Tim, cD: I think this is a lesson to be learned. Even though the changes were tangled up together, I think it would have been worth extra effort to disentangle them so you could push out each of these at different times.

242brightcopy
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 10:45am Top

Okay, a comment on the actual design:

This just seems bizarre:



All of these are links to Home.

But I edited this message because I don't know of a better suggestion. I realize why you did it now. But it just seems wrong.

243southernbooklady
Jul 3, 2013, 10:47am Top

The "Home" tab is really more of a "You" tab.

244casvelyn
Jul 3, 2013, 10:50am Top

The brown on the top header feels, to me anyway, modern and old-fashioned at the same time. Also very classy. I like it.

245VivienneR
Jul 3, 2013, 10:52am Top

Congratulations! Very nice job! I love change and can't wait to investigate more.

Thanks Tim, I knew I could trust you.

246mysterymax
Jul 3, 2013, 10:53am Top

I don't like having to go back to home to get to profile.

247brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 10:54am Top

Hmm, you know, I kind of like the idea of changing "Home" to "You" (even better, goodreads has a "Home" so it would differentiate it even more). "You" would then have the subsections "Home | Profile | Connections | Recommendations, etc"

248brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 10:54am Top

#246 by mysterymax> You don't have to. Just click on your username at the top-right of any screen.

249casaloma
Jul 3, 2013, 10:56am Top

>240 calm: agree about the header colour being a distraction

This particular shade of brown seems a tone too dark....and so ordinary. Not subtle or distinctive.

Everything else. Very nice.

250nandadevi
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 10:59am Top

Re 224: Brown, modern and old-fashioned at the same time. Sort of evocative of coffee, and leather bound books. And old fashioned wooden book shelves. Wqrks for me.

251tajasel
Jul 3, 2013, 11:06am Top

Well, I've been using LT since 2007 or so, and I was used to the old design, which is usually a bad sign when a website radically changes how it looks... (looking at you, Facebook) but I like this! Works for me, definitely. Feels more 21st century :)

252timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 11:09am Top

I don't like having to go back to home to get to profile.

Click on your name to get to your profile. It's on all pages.

253timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 11:10am Top

Idea:

I wonder, what if we changed "timspalding" to "timspalding profile"?

We're probably going to kill "share" since it's now part of the home page. So that would give us room. What do you think.

254nandadevi
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 11:18am Top

Re 253 > Or 'Profile: timspalding' if you are thinking of going down that track. Design logic for that word order? Can't put my finger on it ... something Spock-ish

255casvelyn
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 11:19am Top

>253 timspalding: To me it's redundant, since "Click on your username to get to your profile" seems to be almost SOP on the internet. But it would probably clarify things for people who don't spend a lot of time online.

ETA: I agree with nandadevi, except that with the colon in there, it would seem to me that the usename part would change depending on... something. Like if I was looking at your catalog, Tim, then it would read Profile: timspalding, because that's where I was on the site at that particular moment.

256mysterymax
Jul 3, 2013, 11:16am Top

Well, I've been on the internet since back when and it didn't occur to me. I am sure something like that would help everyone who has missed the 8 million times it has been said here (as I had). It's not sop unless you use it!!!

257nandadevi
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 11:26am Top

Re 255 > Ah, you've pinned it down for me (the attraction of the format Object-Colon-Subject, eg 'Profile: timspalding'). Yes it does imply that this (subject part following colon) changes. According to who you log on as. As opposed to the other header/text items on the webpage which are 'static' regardless of who the logged on user is. But I understand the argument both ways .... Which leads to 'LogonProfile: timspalding' , getting complex?

258brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 11:28am Top

Re: "timspalding (profile)"

Perhaps another temporary change that could revert back later? I would really dislike it in the long term, but could be an okay way to help people transition.

259mysterymax
Jul 3, 2013, 11:35am Top

Ah ha! Something I do really like! The little yellow button with a number in it that I intuitively guessed meant I had 1 message. So much nicer than that big 'new comment' thing..

260Vaysh
Jul 3, 2013, 11:53am Top

I like the fixed navigation bar, it feels more solid than the tabs. Though, I don't know if it's my settings but the letters look a bit "block-y", like they're bolded. But yeah, nav bar design overall looks good.

I do not like the colour scheme however. Brown has never been a favourite and this particular dark shade, especially combined with the orange, is just... euch. No.

It would be nice if one could have some options when it comes to the colour scheme actually. To me, lighter colours are preferable to dark ones as the latter tend to distract me from the contents of the page but I know others who prefer the darker shades.

261tardis
Jul 3, 2013, 11:54am Top

I like it! It seems like the new header takes up less space, leaving more room below for whatever I'm really looking for :)

262brightcopy
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 12:13pm Top

Attention conceptDawg and Tim:

Urk. I've run into something in the latest version of FF that could be interacting with the site redesign. They changed a setting in FF so that it sometimes zooms text and images depending on your setup. The zoomed images can be a bit fuzzy, of course.

My work computer was fine after the change, but not my home one. Here's how it looked with Chrome next to FF:


(click for larger)

I'll note that this affects ALL websites, not just LT. It was noticeable on Amazon, etc.

I tracked it down to this: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2721899

Basically, they changed a setting so that FF will zoom itself depending on your OS dpi settings. This affected my home computer because apparently in Windows 8, the default Display setting is 125% instead of 100%. So basically FF started paying attention to what the OS was telling it.

This update happened on June 25th, but of course it took me a bit to update and restart.

None of this is LT's fault, but it's something to keep in mind if people on FF are complaining of the fonts getting bigger and the images getting fuzzy "due to this design change."

263Carolee888
Jul 3, 2013, 12:40pm Top

It is OK but I had to hunt for the Review & Member Giveaways under More. I preferred the link on the side of one of the main pages.

I did put my books on a shelf, I prefer not to have them floating!

264lindapanzo
Jul 3, 2013, 12:46pm Top

I put the Early Reviewers on my Dashboard, right below Talk, and it, too disappeared, as someone else mentioned.

I have to say that it looks a lot better on my iPhone and on my home PC than it does on my work PC.

That color across the top still does not look like chocolate brown or brown. Still looks black to me on both PCs and phone, though.

265GreyWelshWolf
Jul 3, 2013, 12:48pm Top

It looks very nice. I need to spend more time here!

266PaperbackPirate
Jul 3, 2013, 12:50pm Top

213 browner56

That happened to me too, only the second time I got it to stay. But now I too have a "No module yet" left on my page and I can't get rid of it.

267jolijtje
Jul 3, 2013, 12:53pm Top

Not so happy here with this sad, thick black (or dark brown) border showing up at every page. LT is a happy thing, but this looks like something to do with mourning. It also takes to much space on my screen.

268RiversideReader
Jul 3, 2013, 12:58pm Top

Recent Member Recommendations is no longer showing which member recommended the book! Can we get this back - I really found that feature to be very very helpful. Thanks.

269lynnoconnacht
Jul 3, 2013, 1:07pm Top

ConceptDawg, what if we just changed the body color, optionally?

That would definitely solve the glare and contrast issue people are having. That's why I've been harping on the pure white/black contrast, though I could (and should!) have been clearer in saying that. >so cute.

And I'd be sad to see the nav bar brown change to reduce the contrast, actually. I like that brown. It's pretty and warm. (It just makes the white space give me a headache. :( )

270gmathis
Jul 3, 2013, 1:42pm Top

Echoing some comments about Early Reviewers & member giveaways--would like those back on my homepage and haven't figured out the voodoo to do it.

271Nicole_VanK
Jul 3, 2013, 1:50pm Top

> 253: Frankly, personally I would be totally fine with killing "share".

(But I understand some others might miss it, and I'm okay with the bare fact that it exists).

272lorax
Jul 3, 2013, 1:55pm Top

To get Early Reviewers onto New Home, click on the "Books" link under "Discover". The first option there will be the Early Reviewers module; click on "Add to Dashboard" to put it on the new home. There's no way to put it conveniently in the right sidebar like there once was, since they've moved to a single-column layout.

273lindapanzo
Jul 3, 2013, 1:59pm Top

272 lorax, any tips on keeping it there once I've done this? I did what you say and it has disappeared when I've moved it higher up. Says something like no module yet.

274lorax
Jul 3, 2013, 2:11pm Top

273>

I don't know, since I don't have that module in use myself. But that sounds like a bug, I'd post it on the New Home - Bugs thread.

275brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 2:17pm Top

273/274> FYI, it's been posted there.

276JalenV
Jul 3, 2013, 2:27pm Top

brown is not one of my favorite colors, but I hate gray more.

277DeanieG
Jul 3, 2013, 3:11pm Top

I didn't like the new design for a few minutes but turns out it's okay. Haven't had any trouble with it, things seem to be working just fine.

278jasbro
Jul 3, 2013, 3:48pm Top

OK, so I get we're gonna have the new stuff eventually regardless. There was a "Welcome -- find out more" banner at the top of the Dashboard, which I apparently X'd out of before following the link (these thing happen, right?). Is there a way to get back to the "find out more?" Thanks.

279brightcopy
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 3:50pm Top

I don't think the new subnav design works very well in the Groups sections. For example, when on a group page, there's just a ton of redundant stuff. It's just unnecessary duplication:





(click for larger)

I think the subnav needs to be axed and all the slack can be taken up by the new leftnav design the Home page uses:






Likewise with the subnav on the main Groups tab. I'm not going to do another screenshot, but suffice it to say I think the whole subnav can go. It currently has the redundant label "LibraryThing Groups" (well, I AM on LibraryThing and I DO have the giant GROUPS tab highlighted...) and two links: "Your groups" and "Start a group". "Your groups" is already in the leftnav and just needs the new Home leftnav bold/indicator styling. "Start a group" should probably just go (back?) in a round edged box at the top-right just above "Group suggestions".

280Africansky1
Jul 3, 2013, 4:14pm Top

I think the new design looks good, but using it will take a little time to get used to the changes . the whole thing seems to work intuitively and the drop down flags work very similarly to other websites . I really want to separate out the cosmetic changes from the substantive improvements and it's the latter that I am interested in . I am keen on changes that help me manage my own library better . thank you for all the hard work is there still a guide to how everything works ? I need an idiots help guide as to using The different functions . Well done I can see a lot of time and thought gone into the new look and I appreciate the commitment and the readiness to listen to The users.

281jjmcgaffey
Jul 3, 2013, 4:24pm Top

279> Except that the leftnav and the group description etc scroll up, the new subnav stays. So you can jump to Your Groups or Group Profile, etc, in one click - no more hitting the Home button and then going where you want to go. If we can get a scrolling leftnav (you had a script for that, but I stopped using it for some reason - oh, it pushed my groups list down too far), then yeah, the subnav can go. But not till then, as far as I'm concerned.

I'd actually love it, _particularly_ in these tangled threads, if there were a Talk subnav along the same lines, showing the name of the thread I'm in. Totally useless at the top of the thread, very handy when you're some 200 messages into a 300-message thread and can't remember if you're in the Home or Design thread...

282timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 4:32pm Top

Recent Member Recommendations is no longer showing which member recommended the book! Can we get this back - I really found that feature to be very very helpful. Thanks.

Yes. I completely agree. We'll change it when we get the chance. Good catch.

283timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 4:33pm Top

>279 brightcopy:

I'm confused. Where do I get off for Yankee Stadium?

284timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 4:34pm Top

Sorry for the delay in changing stuff today, guys. ChrisC, ChrisH, Mike and I were all dealing with some old files that got pushed in with the new. Nightmare. But it's over.

285abbottthomas
Jul 3, 2013, 4:34pm Top

I am getting too old for change, but at the same time I am old enough to cope with just about anything. I guess that the site is functioning much as before. I never minded the bandaid colour but the chocolate brown is OK - I am, however, unhappy about the appearance of the site on my iPad where the chocolate brown is near black - not nice :-(

286brightcopy
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 4:58pm Top

#283 by timspalding> This must be some very clever joke that I don't get. I put a considerable amount of work into making those screenshots so you wouldn't have to think too hard to know what I meant. Any chance you want to spend a few more sentences on your response?

287brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 4:46pm Top

#281 by jjmcgaffey> I get what you're saying, but on the other hand now every time you're near the top of a group, you get an extra chunk taken out of the screen so it can show some redundant links.

There already IS a fixed bar showing both which group and which thread you are in - the title of your browser window. That makes YET ANOTHER redundant place for this information. I should have included it in my screenshots.

I think it's fine to push for that to float but you get into other issues with scrolling on screens where it's too small to fit the whole leftnav on at the same time (CSS/javascript headache).

288timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 4:54pm Top

>286 brightcopy:

Sorry. Punchy. I'll address it. I'm way behind on these messages.

289brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 4:59pm Top

#288 by timspalding> No problem. It's not like it's life or death. Take a while. Have a good holiday weekend.

290lilithcat
Jul 3, 2013, 5:09pm Top

> 286

I think he means that it looks like the NYC subway map: http://images.nycsubway.org/maps/calcagno-2010-06-28c.gif

I must admit that I laughed!

291brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 5:14pm Top

Ah, thanks for explaining. That's actually pretty funny. :)

292tag100
Jul 3, 2013, 5:17pm Top

Sweet. I love the new look!

293jjmcgaffey
Jul 3, 2013, 5:32pm Top

287> Heh. Yeah. Another individual thing...I have LT pinned, so there's only the little L on the tab. I really hadn't noticed that the topic title showed up in the tab. Useful.

And yeah, that's why I'm not using your floating bar, because of vertical screen space. Sigh. I need a magical screen that will hold exactly everything I want to see and no wasted space...Actually, everyone needs that. Except then there'd be bug reports and the developers couldn't figure it out because they would have a different screen.

294brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 5:41pm Top

#293 by jjmcgaffey> Ah, I guess I should say that if you're running certain browsers (Chrome for sure, maybe Safari?) they get rid of the overall window caption and only have tab captions. FF still has the full window caption at the top that shows the tab you are on.

IE, because it is... special, has tabs but keeps the window caption. But it makes the window caption... blank. Just a big blank bar with minimize/maximize/close widgets on the right. That's okay, IE, you tried and that's what counts!

295LizzieD
Jul 3, 2013, 5:42pm Top

I miss hot reviews on the home page. Will they come back?

296lorax
Jul 3, 2013, 5:47pm Top

295>

They will, like every other module, if you add them. Go to Discover > Reviews in the left menu, and choose "Add to dashboard" on the Hot Review module.

297jjmcgaffey
Jul 3, 2013, 5:53pm Top

294> ? I'm running FF; if I look at a full tab, it has a label which, in Talk, includes the thread name. The pinned tab contains only the favicon, no words. But I don't see a window caption at all (I've got it set Tabs on top, does that make a difference? It's been so long I can't remember where the option to switch it back is, so can't see for myself).

298brightcopy
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 6:19pm Top

#297 by jjmcgaffey> Ahhhh. Apparently, FF copies IE's "special" mode unless you click on the orange Firefox button and click Options->Menu Bar.

Otherwise, it does the same stupid thing where it has a big window caption but it doesn't bother to put anything in it. *facepalm*

ETA:
Apparently you can make FF show the current tab's title in the main window caption with this addon:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/firefox-4-ui-fixer/?src=search
Just make sure you check both Make Firefox Button Moveable and Always Show Window Titlebar.
It does make your orange Firefox button smaller, though.

299mckait
Jul 3, 2013, 6:06pm Top

294> IE, because it is... special made me lol

300jjwilson61
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301jenniebooks
Jul 3, 2013, 6:14pm Top

I don't like the dashboard but I like my recommendations. waiting to see about about me page.

302rolandperkins
Jul 3, 2013, 6:30pm Top

How do you click on "search" (rectangle at th eupper right of the screen) in this design?

I've tried it on my own and on a public PC, and the arrow changes into another kind of indicator (wwhich I don't know the name of), and clicking doesn't leaad to anything. I can write and erase in the rectangle,
but that doesn't produce anythiing.

303nandadevi
Jul 3, 2013, 6:31pm Top

Re brightcopy NY Subway 279 > Multiple navigation methods to the same result is not unusual, sometimes desirable (eg key AND mouse navigation options). Ditto multiple click/selection choices on screen. But there is a trade-off between convenience, historical familiarity (I fought tooth and nail against mice when they first arrived), screen clutter and screen territory Your (excellent) screen shots made it clear for me.

I have the impression that LT started out as a TopBarMenu (upper horizontal bar with each option side-by-side) and SubBarMenu (lower horizontal bar with more options side-by-side). The options on the lower bar reflected the highlighted choice on the upper bar. This design works well until you have too many options (usually on the lower bar) than will fit conveniently across the width of the screen), or you wish to show some hierarchy or grouping among the options, in which case the SideColumnMenu comes into its own. I have a suspicion that the MORE page was the first to use the SideColumnMenu on the old LT website for that reason. The problem with a SideColumnMenu is that you need to be able to freeze (or separate into independently scrollable panes) the top of the screen AND the side of the screen, so that the Menu options don't disappear over the horizon when you scroll down. This wasn't done on the old LT website.

Currently the ADDBOOKS, TALK, and MORE TopBarMenu options do not use a SubBarMenu to display further options. The MORE option, however, does use a SideColumnMenu to display further options. The SideColumnMenu in that case, however, is not frozen and will disappear from view is the user scrolls down the page.

Currently YOURBOOKS, LOCAL, ZEITGEIST TopBarMenu options use a SubBarMenu to display further options, without also using a SideColumnMenu

Currently HOME and GROUPS TopBarMenu options use a SubBarMenu AND a SideColumnMenu to display further options - the same options in some cases as brightcopy points out.

Additionally there are multiple text points within each page associated with each TopBarMenu option that will launch the pages associated with other TopBarMenu options. And while most pages are represented by the TopBarMenu options, the Profile page option is not in the TopBarMenu, but exists in the top right corner (accessed via clicking on the username). You might also say that HELP is missing from the TopBarMenu as well (but is available in the top right corner).

Bottom line is that to rationalise ALL of this, the only way forward (or in some random direction) is to standardise on a TopBarMenu with a SideColumnMenu showing further options. But it would be an absolute pre-requisite for this that the SideColumnMenu was either frozen (like the top of the screen) or independently scrollable to the main page. Essentially you go from a two-pane web page to a three-pane webpage. Presumably there is some technical over-head in doing that. If this can't be done then there is no substitute for having a TopMenuBar AND a SubBarMenu that is frozen at the top of the screen, and use (additionally) SideColumnMenu's only where you need to group options or display options with hierarchy (and be prepared to lose sight of them when scrolling).

Saving grace is that the human mind tends to look at chaos, imagine it sees some kind of orderliness within the murk, adapts a pattern of behaviour to work with that perceived orderliness, and becomes fairly blind to the rest of the detail. Which is the equivalent of saying you get on the subway at one point and get off at your destination (if you commute the same route each day) without any regard to how the rest of the railway system is laid out or operates. Ultimately you know it could be designed (slightly) more efficiently and take up a little less screen space, but it still works. Given that, there seems to be a lot to say for taking up these navigation design issues one-by-one in the Talk forums and implementing them (if appropriate) one-by-one. Although I'm impressed with the latest changes I feel I need to take a breather, and I imagine the folk inside LT are running very fast to stay in the same place at the moment and likewise looking to draw some line around the exercise.

304Artymedon
Jul 3, 2013, 6:36pm Top

I was thinking that to be able to add your own recommendations based on what's going on would be useful. Example: An Egyptian coup d'Etat then I could put on the design the books that reference Egypt. I would prefer that to member recommendations that are too often off the chart from what are the books I look into. I like very much the covers.

305brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 6:37pm Top

#302 by rolandperkins> Known bug. Just press enter instead of clicking the icon for now.

306lycomayflower
Jul 3, 2013, 6:41pm Top

I'm not keen on the new design. My objections, starting with what concerns me most (and what seems most objective):

1.) Text looks fuzzy, in the header and especially on the Talk page. At first I thought I just needed to rejig the font size, but no matter what size I use, the words are fuzzy.

2.) The site no longer looks unified. The color scheme in the header doesn't really "go" with the color scheme (the blues) in Talk.

3.) The whole site looks muted and dull now.

4.) It doesn't look like LibraryThing anymore. I know this sounds sort of whingy and anti-change, but LibraryThing had a "look," which is gone now. It just looks . . . wrong. (And aesthetically, I don't see that the new design is better.)

5.) I really don't like the color. I know other people really didn't like the color before. I did. It's totally subjective, except that I do think it's the color scheme that makes me say the site looks muted and dull now.

307PhaedraB
Jul 3, 2013, 6:51pm Top

Ok, a lot of people have commented on white space issues, but this is about white space at the bottom.

I've noticed since the arrival of the fixed header that after I post a message, all I see after that is the Add a message box, a lot of white space, and the footer info. My new post scrolls up under the fixed header. I used to be able to see it.

Since there's no particular reason for white space at the bottom (at least none that I can think of) could that be cut back?

308timspalding
Jul 3, 2013, 6:54pm Top

Ah, thanks for explaining. That's actually pretty funny. :)

Yeah, it just struck me, probably because I spent a bunch of time recently in New York trying to figure the damn thing out.

I miss hot reviews on the home page. Will they come back?

They're there. See on the home page on the left, under Reviews.

Text looks fuzzy, in the header and especially on the Talk page

If you mean on the tab, okay. But the rest of the text has not changed at all. Same size, same font.

309brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 6:54pm Top

#306 by lycomayflower>
1) What browser are you on? Firefox pushed a change recently that could be causing this for you.

2) Already been addressed multiple times above (they really need a recap). They are trying to work on one piece at a time.

3) No matter what the color scheme, people will love and hate it. Same thing was true about the previous color scheme. Only difference is that the people who hated the old one it so much that they'd never use it left or just never signed up (natural selection).

4) Different strokes for different folks.

5) To me, it just looks less garish. Aren't we back to #3 now? :D

310alco261
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 7:31pm Top

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311brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 7:20pm Top

#310 by alco261> First off, go to the other thread, the one for bugs in the Home page. This is the thread for comments on the general design changes (the big bar at the top, namely).

Go here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/156007

So things like that are generally bugs. Try to search the thread for them and see if they're already posted. If not, post a note describing the bug there. Tim has quite a bit of a backlog right now, so be patient.

312alco261
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313Littlemissbashful
Jul 3, 2013, 8:09pm Top

#144 / #223

I also made a comment about the use of the word 'Dashboard' and Tim made a similar response - I have to say it is not a concept I am familiar with from any other site I use (and I'm a rare freak of modern nature in that I never actually learned to drive) so the whole analogy is wasted on me ....

Tim also opened up the possibilities by asking what else you might call it which made me stop / look and think about how the 'labelling' is applied elsewhere on the site (not always consistent) ... but as has been pointed out elsewhere it's really an issue for the ' NewHomepage' discussion not this one so I guess I'll go over there to comment!

On that note...Thank you to Tim also for responding to my comment about the Homepage not reverting when toggling between old and new designs - I had since discovered my error, I think it was just I came on site saw the change and found this thread before exploring and reading about the 'other' change - so my apologies for being slow on the uptake!

Having used it for while I think it's just that in comparison to the old design the much darker navigation bar on the new look version is more visually intrusive when viewing the screen.

...but I know from experience that kind of thing is something i get used to and stop noticing with use....I use other websites that have always operated with stark contrasts and dark navigation bars and I just don't pay attention becaus they've always been that way - *shrugs*

It's what the site actually does (or doesn't do) that tends to get more irritating over time.

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#217 - Dashboard? What am I doing here? Driving a car?

Dashboard is a common term for a certain type of user interface. Used all over the place - Macs, Google, loads of business software. It is an obvious analogy to the dashboard on a vehicle - which also presents lots of disparate information in a neat set of dials.

314keristars
Jul 3, 2013, 8:17pm Top

253> I would be very sad to see "Share" go away. In the last half hour or so, I've been avoiding my homepage. Apparently the more it's around, the less I like it in its current state. (Much like the fixed header, apparently.)

I like the look of yourfeed.php a lot better than the Your Feed part of the homepage, and it's still more intuitive to go to Share than Home -> Feed, since we've been calling it Sharing forever, and it's been in that spot forever. Well, since it was introduced.

315conceptDawg
Jul 3, 2013, 8:19pm Top

re 279 and the duplication of nav elements:
One thing that I must stress here is that we INTENDED to not change too much actual content in this go around. The main navigation and even the sub nav menus all have the same content they did before the redesign. The reason for this is that it makes the transition to a new design much easier for most of the members.

We'll be coming back with more nuanced improvements after the shock of the newness wears off a bit.

316ranaverde
Jul 3, 2013, 8:25pm Top

I like it except for one thing: I now no longer know how to get to the Early Reviewers and Member Giveaways info, either the main page, or the books I've won/reviewed. :(

317ranaverde
Jul 3, 2013, 8:29pm Top

#186 - Oh, thank you!

318conceptDawg
Jul 3, 2013, 8:32pm Top

316: Early Reviewers is available on every page on the site via the footer.

319sallylou61
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 8:35pm Top

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320jennybhatt
Jul 3, 2013, 8:38pm Top

I'm lovin' it. Specifically, the flexibility of re-arranging, re-ordering, removing, changing view settings of each section...... very intuitive and easy. And, I like the color scheme very much too. Thank you so much.

321VivienneR
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 8:58pm Top

Talk topics on my dashboard has a larger font size than any other module on the home page, and larger too than on the Talk page itself. It's the only annoying thing I've come across in the new design.

Surely this wasn't intended?

322girlunderglass
Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 9:33pm Top

I'm a bit late to this so sorry if this has already been mentioned but:

"The new top nav changes as you resize your window. The LibraryThing logo disappears and the L logo appears in its place, saving space. The tab sizes get smaller to make space as well."

This is soooo much nicer and cleaner than the logo. The font logo looks way too big to me. Other than that, like the new colors, LOVE how clean the homepage is and especially how much white space there is and how uncluttered it feels (I saw that some people think there's too much white space - respectfully disagree!).

My main problem with LT remains that none of my real-life and/or facebook friends are to be found here (yep, they're still on GR). Hopefully this is a step in the right direction to get more users on here! :)

323brightcopy
Jul 3, 2013, 10:01pm Top

#315 by conceptDawg> Yes, but you didn't and extra redundant subnav bar elements. This makes me fear you're going to KEEP the subnav on the groups pages and just nuke the parts that are redundant on the leftnav. Otherwise, why bother? I think that'd be a step backwards.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

324sdbookhound
Jul 3, 2013, 10:13pm Top

Where do I find Early Reviewers?

325Iudita
Jul 3, 2013, 10:17pm Top

Very visually appealing. I like it.

326Vivl
Jul 3, 2013, 10:35pm Top

>322 girlunderglass:

Ohhh, that explains why my page looks different to the screenshots I've seen around. I'm working off a tinsy-winsy laptop. I'd just taken a screenshot in order to ask about that.

This is also, I imagine, why I have a problem with the font size in the top menu. With the smaller, more tightly spaced tabs, the letters are scrunched up and look blocky and... well, just rather ugly.

Since the logo and spacing is different depending on the size of the user's screen, perhaps it would be possible to fiddle just a tad with the font of unselected tabs? (Looks fine when selected, less blobby.)

If that were fixed, the only aesthetic objections I would have to the new design would be the blue link/header text clash. I'm not MAD about how dark the brown is--it does read as almost black on my screen--but it doesn't worry me too much.

327JonHutchings
Jul 3, 2013, 10:42pm Top

Are you still able to see lists of books which have won awards that you have read? I used to like this feature to see compiled lists of what books I have read off of which lists, like 1001 books to read before you die and 501 must reads.

328lycomayflower
Jul 3, 2013, 11:09pm Top

@ 309

Thanks for the heads up on Firefox. I've tried a few fixes for FF I found by googling and checked out the LT site using IE and Chrome. I have to say, the text looks blurry to me no matter what browser I use. I'm only noticing this on LT and it seems concurrent with the new design. But I'll have to fiddle some more to see if something on my computer has gone hinkey.

329Littlemissbashful
Jul 3, 2013, 11:42pm Top

#279 / #283

I thought #279 was a very clear post and I agree about the unnecessary clutter of duplicated info.

Having successfully got off at Yankee Stadium I thought the illustrated alternative was indeed clearer and cleaner to look at?

330eembooks
Jul 4, 2013, 12:19am Top

I can't seem to find the interesting libraries feature because I often like to see what those people are reading. Otherwise I'm OK with it.

331brightcopy
Jul 4, 2013, 12:22am Top

#328 by lycomayflower> What operating system are you on?

And while you're answering that, can you go to your Display control panel and see if it says you're display is set to 100%, 125% or 150%? If you're on XP, you'll have to look under the Settings tab, then click Advanced, where it will be labeled "DPI setting" and be something like "Normal" or "Large".

332LibraryPerilous
Jul 4, 2013, 12:26am Top

>330 eembooks: If you go to 'About You' on the left nav bar, it will pull up your friends, interesting libraries, etc. You can choose to add that section to the dashboard.

333brightcopy
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 12:33am Top

Dashboard (starting defaults)
Your books
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags
Recent Automatic Recommendations
Recent Member Recommendations
Member Gallery
Talk (Forums)
Local Events
On this Day

About you
Your Zeitgeist
Your Library over Time
Your Connections
Members with Your Books
Favorites
Your Groups
Your Lists
Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books
Your Recent Reviews
Your Quick Links
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags

Recommendations
Top Automatic Recommendations
Lists You Might Like
Recent Automatic Recommendations
Recent Member Recommendations
Group Suggestions

Connection news
Connection news

Your feed
Your feed

Books
Early Reviewers
Tag Watch
Hot this Month
What Members are Reading
Top Wishlisted Books
Member Giveaway
Featured Authors

Reviews
Hot Reviews
Reviews for Your Books
Your Recent Reviews

Community
Your Groups
From the Blogs
Active Lists
Recent Lists
Featured Legacy Libraries
Recent Book Haiku
Talk (Forums)
Group Suggestions

Helpers
Your Helps
Venue Linking
Spam Works
Tag Combinations

Unused (starting defaults)
Junk Drawer
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Now why the heck didn't I think of that before???

Tim or cD: Be kind to your users and please copy this into the first post!

(And yes, I know this isn't the HOME thread but people are confused.)

334LibraryPerilous
Jul 4, 2013, 12:33am Top

335VivienneR
Jul 4, 2013, 12:41am Top

I had great fun today exploring the new look LT. I was immediately impressed but as I use the site I am liking it more and more.

Well done to all concerned!

336nandadevi
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:11am Top

Re 279, 283, 303, 329 (Duplication on Navigation Elements) > My extended rant at 303 about duplication (and triplication) of navigation options (Top, SubTop, Side, TopRight and elsewhere) wasn't so much to express the extent of my frustration with this issue, but to express how tricky a problem it is to resolve once you start looking at the scale of it.

Oddly enough, for something that is so high-tech, most web pages (like large Computer Systems) are not designed scientifically and implemented in one cohesive fully envisaged 'whole'. On the contrary they usually just simply 'grow' over time into something larger and more complex, and unfortunately (but inevitably) take on board a few inconsistencies over time. It's not down to 'bad programming' or 'bad design', just that the requirements of situations that arise over time impose solutions that aren't all that you'd like, but are all that you can do at the time. Then another change gets added, and the little 'blemishes' on the surface get buried deeper and deeper inside the beast and become harder to root out as time goes by.

The Navigation options in LT were 'quirky' before this latest update (which I endorse for its many positive changes), and continue to be quirky. But they are workable, because we have been working with them for quite a while already. It's mostly just that the latest change (like a storm washing over a beach) have made them more visible in some cases, and put us (treading gingerly on the exposed rocks) in a bit of a hyper-vigilant state where we are noticing more than usual. (and as BRIGHTCOPY points out in 337, some additional navigation changes were scattered over the 'beach' which has piled up a change upon change here and there.)

Changes to Navigation elements (and Navigation design) are best done very slowly, involving as few changes as possible each time. They affect the both look, AND the 'feel' of a webpage, and the feel is often unconsciously coded into brain and our fingers (like touch-typing or playing a musical instrument). If you change the feel of a webpage the body (the human one) is liable to get disoriented. Whether 'dribbling' in the changes that you'd like to make over time is prolonging the 'pain' (like tearing a bandage off slowly) and whether it's best to bundle the changes in a bunch and get 'em over quickly is a hard question to answer. Generally a mix of a scheduled (once or twice a year) 'bunched together' sets of changes with plenty of 'heads up it's coming' stuff works well when combined with a continuous series of (very minor) changes. Sort of a combined dribble and bang approach.

Concluding: Navigation option changes are very tricky to do right, at the moment we all probably need a rest, best commit to tackling these over time, and nominate a talk forum to discuss them in, going forward.

337brightcopy
Jul 4, 2013, 12:56am Top

#336 by nandadevi> No, that's not it at all. These were additional redundant elements added where they did not exist before. No hypervigilance involved.

And as a professional programmer, I'm pretty familiar with how interfaces tend to grow by accretion. This wasn't really one of those cases.

But yes, there were far too many changes rolled out at once. As a programmer, again I sympathize. Tim said some of the changes depended on other changes. I get that. But with 20/20 hindsight, I think it would have been worth the extra time to disentangle them. It should have also probably come after all the bugs were shaken out of the CDN because those are getting mixed up in here as well, I think. Lesson learned, I'm sure.

338nandadevi
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 1:01am Top

337 > Acknowledged. Best intentions and best efforts. Compared to many upgrades relatively smooth but no excuse for not wanting to - and trying to - do better next (and each an every) time. Options for going forward? User testing of Beta versions and feedback? Presumably there's a cost to that (as there is to everything...). Time for some discussion on that later?

339timspalding
Jul 4, 2013, 1:40am Top

Comments — No changes until I finish this post…

All the 'customizing' I had done on the old design is gone. Do I feel like starting over? No.

Every few years or so a website needs to retool things somewhat. The homepage has been around for slightly over five years. That's an age online--the home page was introduced the month that Facebook overtook MySpace. Besides, more than half of the modules are new; there's a lot more you can do with them now. Take a chance and check it out.

Though I will say that that isn't really accurate (nor is "unused"), because there are modules listed under the other headings that don't appear under "unused".

Huh? The point is that if you kill it everywhere, it ends up in "unused."

Sorry, my terminology is a bit off. What I meant was, as a shortcut, is it possible to have the home subnav displayed when you hover with the mouse over home?

Ah. I see. No, I don't think we're going to go that direction. Subnavs are not exclusively a tab thing, and I think it would be very "jittery."

I really, really liked that Early reviewers came up on the right side of the old layout as well as the Members Giveaways. I can't seem to find them now on the new layout without searching, which I know will be problematic for some of my less computer savvy friends that enjoy the site.

Any time there's a batch, it will be the top news item, "pinned" in the "Top News" section.

It would be nice if, like blogger, someone would choose a color scheme, or have a couple of choices, including a lighter shade for the header.

I understand the sentiment, but blogger allows you to change it for your blog only. I know of no site that allows you to change its color scheme overall. Allowing multiple colors would require coming up with bottom designs that worked with everything, and muck with branding and recognition.

No Cover Image

We'll be looking into this.

Bookel: Also: with the new design, I cannot click on the Search box at top right. The text at top right overlaps the search box... If you enlarge fonts, you would probably see the overlap. Design needs to accomodate text size changes.

What browser/OS are you using?

Would prefer Groups | Talk to be one tab Discuss

Yes. I want that too. But every time I kill a tab, my poll ratings drop 10%.

the biggest issue is that when you use smaller covers, the space allotted for them doesn't shrink

I have a number of things to do--many. But I'm going to spend time working on this and other vertical-narrowing. I'll get you that space back.

OK, is anyone else seeing what I get on the home page where the number of books in "recently added" can only be changed in number of shelves? Because that's a pretty big mismatch.

You can now change the number of titles, if you're using text.

The only item I haven't been able to find is the "Recently Added by Members"

Ah, you're right. That was eliminated. It got very few positive mentions when we discussed the home page. Nevertheless, I'll work on adding it back.

Tim, cD: I think this is a lesson to be learned. Even though the changes were tangled up together, I think it would have been worth extra effort to disentangle them so you could push out each of these at different times.

I completely disagree. It may sound cynical, but I think if we hadn't gone live with some new and revived features--tag watch and the covers for your books especially--the design would have drawn far more fire. You'll note, for example, that we're not getting too much of the "Why did you waste time on the look?"



Meh. You can't count on the logo--it's a convention that loses 10% of your audience, at least. After that, I think it makes sense in context.

Urk. I've run into something in the latest version of FF that could be interacting with the site redesign

I've added it to CH's list to look at.

I did put my books on a shelf, I prefer not to have them floating!

The shelf is an option. We're defaulting to the floating books because the shelf is starting to feel too literal. "Skeuomorphism" is on the decline, and the shelves struck me as a bit Shelfari-ish.

Recent Member Recommendations is no longer showing which member recommended the book! Can we get this back - I really found that feature to be very very helpful. Thanks.

We're going to work on that. I agree; it was good.

I did what you say and it has disappeared when I've moved it higher up. Says something like no module yet.

The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?

I don't think the new subnav design works very well in the Groups sections.

Thanks. Thoughtful post. I've put it down in our "think about it" section. It has to come after straight-up bugs are done.

Sorry I can't reply at greater length. I want to finish this up and fix something before I sleep.

Nandevi's two great posts in reply are also marked to return to.

I was thinking that to be able to add your own recommendations based on what's going on would be useful. Example: An Egyptian coup d'Etat then I could put on the design the books that reference Egypt. I would prefer that to member recommendations that are too often off the chart from what are the books I look into. I like very much the covers.

I rather like that idea! Putting in the think pile.

We'll be coming back with more nuanced improvements after the shock of the newness wears off a bit.

In other words, we need to let members recover from the shock before whacking them in the head with another brick? Hmmm.

Talk topics on my dashboard has a larger font size than any other module on the home page

Is anyone else seeing that?!

This is also, I imagine, why I have a problem with the font size in the top menu.

ConceptDawg: Can we make the header not stick if their screen is small?

Are you still able to see lists of books which have won awards that you have read? I used to like this feature to see compiled lists of what books I have read off of which lists, like 1001 books to read before you die and 501 must reads.

Yes. That hasn't changed places. It's at Home > Stats/Memes > Awards .

340DrLed
Jul 4, 2013, 1:43am Top

The only issue I saw at a glance was that the first line on the home page had a missing image.

Love the new color for the banner and I like that it is fixed and smaller. I'm not sure about the navagation yet simply because I haven't taken time to play with it. I did breathe a sigh of relief when I found that the content and my choices in 'Your books' hadn't changed.

341keristars
Jul 4, 2013, 1:50am Top

339> Talk topics on my dashboard has a larger font size than any other module on the home page

Is anyone else seeing that?!


Yes!!!
I posted about it in both the Homepage-related threads Tuesday. It's not just a different size, but it seems like it might be a different font.

342Nicole_VanK
Jul 4, 2013, 2:01am Top

> 339: The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?

No. I'm not entirely sure how I managed to get mine. I think it may have happened when I removed my "member pictures" from the dashboard. If so, I didn't notice immediately - but that's obviously not conclusive.

But I am 100% sure I was working from the new design since I haven't been back to the old one.

343PhaedraB
Jul 4, 2013, 2:02am Top

The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?

Nope.

344Collectorator
Jul 4, 2013, 2:18am Top

This is what I get when I try to put my Junk Drawer on the Dashboard:

I have tried twice, you see.

345timspalding
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 2:27am Top

I tightened up the design somewhat, especially around shelves. The right is tightened.

346timspalding
Jul 4, 2013, 2:28am Top

I regret I won't be able to do very much coding tomorrow. My wife's parents are coming up for the Fourth.

347PhaedraB
Jul 4, 2013, 2:38am Top

345 > Thanks

346 > Oh, yeah, like you get to have a life. Hmph.

348Vivl
Jul 4, 2013, 2:45am Top

> 345

Thumbs up for the right hand version.

349alex-vf
Jul 4, 2013, 2:51am Top

the new dashboard is definitely much more useful than the old home! for me there's *one* thing that would increase it's usefulness immensely and that's an 'add books' call to action in the books section (i've been using libarything for so many years and finding the link to the add books page still throws me each time - somehow i just can't remembr that's it's in the main nav, it doesn't seem to belong only there)

350Nicole_VanK
Jul 4, 2013, 4:42am Top

I do notice the glare bothers me sooner than otherwise. I guess I'll adapt by having shorter LT sessions.

351Jannes
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:21am Top

First impressions and quick comments:

Really like it overall.

Adore the "Helpers"-section!

Dates on "recently added" - wooo!!

Kind of wish the "Reorder, Remove, Settings"-buttons would be visible on mouse hover only - it looks a bit cluttered right now.

Is Tagwatch new? I love it! (But I wish I could watch tagmashes aw well).

Why does some of my lists show up twice? But it's nice to see this feature getting som spotlight at last.

You might want to think hard about the categories in the left hand menu - some of them feel rather unintuitive: Why is my feed a catogory in itself and not under "about me"? for example.

352bellslash
Jul 4, 2013, 5:21am Top

Oh I don't like this new set-up. I'll be reverting back to old for as long as I can and then I think I won't bother anymore.

353Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:28am Top

> 352: Is Tagwatch new?

Well: yes and no. We used to have it, and then it was disabled for a long time. Apparently because in its old form it was too much for the system to handle.

Very glad to see it brought back!

354Herenya
Jul 4, 2013, 5:38am Top

339 > I know of no site that allows you to change its color scheme overall.

For what it's worth, Last.fm does. The two colour schemes are not very different - switching between them only changes the colour of the header and the headings from red to black.
Didn't LibraryThing went through a phase, some years ago, where you could change the colour scheme? I remember that was fun, but then things didn't always show up properly...

345 > The tightened version is much better. However, there's still blank space above the covers for the recently added and recommendation modules when the covers are set to small.

355oldstick
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:48am Top

When I go to the threads, read one, and then click back to read another it comes up higher up the page and I have to scroll down to see the threads. Am I doing something wrong?
Also, in the member gallery box do we put a photo of ourselves or our books?

356bookel
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 6:58am Top

To timspalding -

(Bolded items for quick reference.)

Bookel: with the new design, I cannot click on the Search box at top right. The text at top right overlaps the search box... If you enlarge fonts, you would probably see the overlap. Design needs to accomodate text size changes.

Tim: What browser/OS are you using?

Mozilla Firefox 22.0
Windows 7 home, (service pack 1 it appears).
DPI Custom 120%
Windows Classic theme.
Click on Window Color to fiddle with window color and appearance. Where things can be bolded I made them bold (menus etc.). Size 32, size below it is Verdana 15, for most of them. If you want specifics let me know.
Mozilla Firefox Tools, Options,
Default font size 20, Advanced fonts 20, 20, min font size 18.
Plus I zoom in as shown in the below picture.


The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?

Yes I was able to move the modules. Couldn't move on the new version yesterday.
Checking again now ... yes, instead of nothing showing but the headers, there is now content showing and the module headers can actually move! Yay, I can reorder the modules! Solved for me.

I would like the search your books search box on its own, without this:
"6,127 books | 12 collections | 1,451 tags | 2,232 authors | 0 reviews | 0 ratings"
Is that possible?
EDIT: Nevermind, I found I could remove those numbers using Settings, so it only shows the search box. Now I can have that at the top, nice! Leaving this here in case anyone else finds it useful and doesn't realise, like me at first, that it's possible to have the search box on its own. End edit.

Congrats on having conversations and home page main content more centred on the page. It looks good.

Currently using the old design, the search box is easy to click in. Not so easy when using a tiny phone screen as text overlaps, due to text zooming I assume (but can't read it otherwise! It's just the ordinary zooming built into Android browsers). Also noticed recently changed, good thing, the links at the top of messages on a phone screen look easier to touch as they're horizontal instead of scrunched close together.

Checking the new design bar at top now: I don't mind it, good contrast, very good. I see others' point about the glariness of the white background due to the increased contrast difference, though the background colour is the same. Fair enough. Trying to change the FF background via Tools, Options doesn't work, as the buttons near the top have a strikethrough in catalog view. Not sure what would work, unless colour that site (FF add-on) works, but haven't tried that. I'm using the site as normal. You could try your computer's reverse contrast options?

The top right is a problem as I cannot access the search box, and Zeitgeist is hidden unless I lower the zoom one notch, but that's a bit smaller than I'd like text to be. I suppose I'll get used to the fixed header, I just always disliked frames. :) I prefer the whole page to slide up, since I don't have as much room on the screen for content. I usually hit Control and Home keys together to get the top of the page. Very quick. Or Alt and back arrow to go back a page. Or Alt and forward arrow to go forwards.

When zooming in on the home page, if I zoom beyond a certain point (ie. to the size I prefer text to be), the cover images of recently added start disappearing (cutting off) on the right.

See the above screenshot that shows the search box at top right. I cannot click on it with the new top at all (have bookmarked the search page instead, but ideally would like it fixed, as the old view was juuuuust fine).

On the Profile page, the word Recommendations still overlaps the number, same as in the old view. Shrug. Nothing changed there. Screenshot shows that. I can't click inside the search box even though it shows an arrow when the cursor is over it, nor enter text in it. The links just above it overlap the search box and if I raise the arrow slightly while still over the search box, it shows a hand for the links.

I'm trying to be nonchalant about the change. Yes, new things take a while to adjust to. At the same time I hope feedback is helpful. I'm sure Tim and Co. have spent a long time on this.

Edit again: PS. When editing a message, at the bottom there's a lot of white space in this editing box before I can find the Save button. Just wondering what's with that as the cursor is at the end of the text I'm typing, not way down below. There's no extra spacing to create that space, if that makes sense ...

357the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 7:37am Top

My two drachmae: hate the colour, the brown + red really glare at each other on my monitor, hate the giant tab running across ALL the pages now, hate the font on the tab -- as other people have said, now the LibraryThing logo font and the pink and blue links look really out of place.

Even discounting the "people like chocolate" and "colours differ from monitor to monitor" stuff, the top bar is WAY too dark in contrast to the bright white and bright pale blue. You either need to redo those in similar brown shades or rethink the top colour.

I also really don't like the drop shadows behind the book covers -- that's close to a migraine trigger for me. If I'm not able to turn those off that might be a big problem. I'm guessing the acres of white space, high-contrast top bar and bright pale blue sections might drive other migraneurs away too. (Yes I know the pale blue was there before -- the contrast wasn't that bad.)

Hate the "Recent Automatic Recommendations" module. That doesn't work better for me than any other wildly off-base rec algorithm.

I personally truly don't care about blog posts, being able to share to Facebook or Twitter, or other social media stuff here, and I hope LT isn't going to develop those at the expense of cataloguing.

358the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 7:45am Top

Also -- oh man, after just a few minutes of clicking around the new design, the GIANT light 'active tab' off-white rectangle with its RED font is already hurting my eyes, with its high contrast to the dark brown inactive tabs and their WHITE lettering. Oh man that needs to be fixed, or you at least need to maybe have some kind of customizable skin (not even sure if that's possible here) so high-contrast colours can be turned down. That red (or red-brown, whatever) line should be disappeared immediately as should the red colour font -- just have the font in the active tab be the same colour as the background for the inactive tabs! That would work fine.

359sfbooks52
Jul 4, 2013, 7:47am Top

So far, the only thing wrong is the login/help section at the upper right of the fixed tab is almost completely hidden. And the color scheme is too mismatched and gaudy.

360the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 7:51am Top

'but that's not what you're looking at 99% of the time you're using LT...'

No, because it's fixed at the top of the page it's always in your field of vision, and the high contrast is going to really drive away some people who can't deal with that visually, like me -- it sets off migraines. Plus, I seriously don't remember bright white wide margins running down either side of the page in the old design.

361the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 7:56am Top

'One thing worthwhile to ask of shanqui, lynnoconnacht and anyone else complaining of contrast: which part of the site have you been using that you're noticing it the most on.'

It's most noticeable on the Talk pages but the contrast still bothers me on the home page. And yes, even if people aren't looking directly at the top nav bar, or if nothing-nothing-nothing has changed, the combination of new colours + new design elements = new visual effects.

362the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 7:59am Top

'I have to admit, I do find this:
http://i.imgur.com/QwRKfVP.png

a bit easier on the eyes than this:
http://i.imgur.com/dhaad2J.png'

That is a lot better, at least for me. Also, the screenshot in #117 is even worse for me because that ENTIRE active tab is red. Bad idea.

363mckait
Jul 4, 2013, 8:04am Top

362 > me too! Holding out some hope for that background option :)
Otherwise, I have no issues and really like the new home page, in particular.

364chg1
Jul 4, 2013, 8:10am Top

please use a different, lighter color ...the current one looks like, well...

365the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 8:10am Top

'I really wonder if people would be saying it if the idea hadn't gotten started somehow. The top is darker, but otherwise it's exactly the same--black text on white.'

Yes, I would be saying it if I hadn't seen anyone else's comments -- it was the first thing I noticed when I logged in -- that the high contrast between the dark brown bar at the top and the bright white was going to give me problems. If you keep saying "it's exactly the same" that ignores the problem. The black text on the white space isn't bothering me, it's that there's now this very thick band of dark colour running across the top which is permanent real estate, and really contrasts with the white below. That's bad news for people who get eyestrain or migraines from high contrast webpage designs.

366the_red_shoes
Jul 4, 2013, 8:10am Top

'And thanks to my professor in art school 40 years ago who made us spend an entire semester with cut-up pieces of colored paper making things that messed with your color-perceiving brain.'

Hah, yet another person warped at an early age by Josef Albers I presume!

367mhatchett
Jul 4, 2013, 8:40am Top

Interesting! We'll see home things go. I'm sure I'll get used to it soon.
Happy 4th of July,
Mike

368JGKC
Jul 4, 2013, 9:04am Top

re: 341

Same here, I think.

369Her_Royal_Orangeness
Jul 4, 2013, 9:30am Top

I love it so much, even more so the more I explore it. My account is up for renewal and these fab changes have me thinking I might be a bit generous this year. :) Thank you to The Powers That Be At LT for the best book cataloging website on the 'net!

370lilithcat
Jul 4, 2013, 9:37am Top

> 339

The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?

No, just on the new one.

371pdebolt
Jul 4, 2013, 9:42am Top

Perhaps I am missing something, but where are the recommendations from my connections (friends, similar libraries)?

372hailelib
Jul 4, 2013, 9:42am Top

I never went back to the old one and I have two No Module Yet modules that I can't dismiss.

373timspalding
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 9:56am Top

So, one question is: Shall we put the home page in a smaller font? The old home page was a mix of 12px and 11px, with the latter dominating. The new one is 12px. 11px is the main size on certain information-dense pages, like talk and local. 12px is used on work pages and author pages. If size is bothering people, the main content on the home page can jump down a font size--back to what it was.

I should have put this on the other discussion. Putting it there now.

374JGKC
Jul 4, 2013, 9:57am Top

re: Smaller font size on the home page

Do you mean the Dashboard or all the various home pages (About You, etc)? Either way it seems like a good idea.

375hailelib
Jul 4, 2013, 10:15am Top

Same font size as Talk would work for me.

376lynnoconnacht
Jul 4, 2013, 10:36am Top

#339 I know of no site that allows you to change its color scheme overall. Allowing multiple colors would require coming up with bottom designs that worked with everything, and muck with branding and recognition.

Voila. A website that offers not one different overall site scheme, but SIX. All the LJ clones do it, though not necessarily all to the extent that DW does.

WordPress allows you two options of admin colour scheme and lo this page has screenshots. It's been a long time since I've used forum boards, but the last time I used them those also had the option of letting users set their own colour scheme from a set list.

All these sites do is offer its registered users a choice between predetermined CSS colour options. That's it. That's ALL allowing multiple colour schemes is or needs to be. It won't affect branding or recognition because the only people who see the different colour scheme are the registered users who specifically chose to use it. Most people won't even bother to change anything. They should be pretty easy to maintain too.

Something else to consider, if we're talking about branding and recognition: allowing users to choose between two different colours schemes makes LT look good. It makes LT look like a company that cares about its users because it's willing to make changes to accomodate its users (if those changes are within reason). People like that. They'd include that in their reasons why people should choose LT over X when that comes up for discussion.

The colours/site scheme discussion doesn't need to be an elephant, Tim. It really doesn't. It could be as simple as changing a single hex triplet in your CSS file. That's it. Glare problems solved, discussion over.

You could even just leave the body background colour undefined the way the old design does and most users will see the site in its intended pure white/black contrast and those of us who need websites to not have a #FFFFFF/#000000 contrast badly enough to have changed our browser's default setting can override it. Glare problems solved, discussion over.

Granted, neither of those solutions is ideal, but the point of mentioning them isn't to offer a viable solution. The point is demonstrating how very easy it is to fix these colour issues we're mentioning.

And, Tim, consider the_red_shoes' comment in message #365. That's why I brought it up too. Because when I logged into LT and saw the new design my first reaction was "Ow. SOMEONE MAKE IT GO AWAY".

I would feel this way about the colour scheme even if I hadn't offered you feedback on it. Same with everyone else who's said it's bothering them. It would bother them regardless of whether they inform you or any of the staff about it. It's just that, since some of us mentioned it, others spoke up too. Reasons will vary from "I was afraid" to "I didn't know we could comment on that" to "Oh, my gosh. Is THAT why I'm getting headaches using the new design?" to whatever other reasons you can come up with and then some.

#373 So, one question is: Shall we put the home page in a smaller font?

I'm fine with the font the way it is. The Talk module does look a little out of place, though.

377booksinthebelfry
Jul 4, 2013, 11:21am Top

This may not really be related to the new design (which I like), and I apologize if it's really obvious to people more savvy than me, but I'm wondering why, when I have 2 photos in my Member gallery, only 1 shows on the home page? And what does the caption "None" under that one photo mean? Can I change it?
Thanks!

378timspalding
Jul 4, 2013, 11:33am Top

Voila. A website that offers not one different overall site scheme, but SIX. All the LJ clones do it, though not necessarily all to the extent that DW does.

Okay, but, again, these are, blogging sites, as before. Blogging sites are customizable because the real identity is you--you want to set up your blog so other people can see you in all your pink or purple or green design. They're customizable the same way a website you own is customizable. Other websites don't do this. You can't change the color scheme of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Goodreads, PaperbackSwap, etc. etc. and for a reason. It hurts branding and it takes a lot more time whenever you make a change. If we went that way, we'd be opting for fewer improvements, fewer bug fixes, etc.

I don't want to argue the point, but it's really not going to happen. There are very significant reasons why not.

379lilithcat
Jul 4, 2013, 11:35am Top

> 377

The home page shows the one that's on your profile page.

The oddity I see is that when I look at my gallery under "Unused", I see only 5 photos, but there are actually six.

380keristars
Jul 4, 2013, 11:50am Top

378> Blogging sites are customizable because the real identity is you--you want to set up your blog so other people can see you in all your pink or purple or green design.

Yes, but that's not what she was referring to. On Dreamwidth, you can set the site to be blue or black or red or purple or whatever and only you see it that way - it's your interface with the website. The version of your blog that other people see has much, much greater customisability.

Also, Feedly offers this. I was really excited when I found that I could change the color scheme from white-on-black to black-on-white on my phone (which ArsTechnica also offers), and on the desktop/tablet version, you can also choose a variety of color options for the background and links, from bold purple/orange to greys to red/black to mint/yellow, and so on.

Frankly, I'm just going to wait until things settle out and then start digging into the CSS to work with Stylish. I'm already looking at it today to see if I can pin the header to the top of the page, but that's a usability thing, because I hate the way it screws with Talk threads.

381LibraryPerilous
Jul 4, 2013, 11:55am Top

>371 pdebolt: Did you mean the connections feed? It's on the left nav, under 'Connection news'. The list of your interesting libraries, friends, private watches is found under the 'About you' tab on the left nav. You can add both to the dashboard.

382crazy4reading
Jul 4, 2013, 12:23pm Top

I did what you say and it has disappeared when I've moved it higher up. Says something like no module yet.

The people having these module problems--did you move the modules on the old design?


I just worked on moving modules that I added around on the old design and when I switch between the old and new design I get the No Module Yet. I was adding the ER module and did it from the old design and went to the new design and it was there. I tried moving it while in the old design and it wouldn't let me. So I did it in the new design and when I went back between the designs after moving it I lost it. I now have 3 No Modules yet and to get rid of them I have to reset to default which means all changes I have made are gone. It is annoying to spend time trying to set up my home page and for it not to stay and now look cluttered. I will watch the talk and see if there is a solution at sometime to this problem. Will keep it with the defaults of all the shelves and size until then.

383drasvola
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 12:46pm Top

In the tag module for the home page, hovering over the tag does not bring up the dialog box. Would it be possible to add it, please. The same way that it can be done when going to tags from the profile page. Thank you.

ETA: I've just discoverd that clicking on tags in the 'your books' module brings up the tags together with the dialog box (edit, etc). Oh, well...

384Essa
Jul 4, 2013, 12:37pm Top

The times, they are a-changin' ...

Aesthetics: For myself, I'm not a fan of the color (of the top nav bar), which on my Nexus 7 appears as kind of a medium/poo brown color with a brownish-pink line underneath. Yeesh. :D

Navigation: Also a pity that, on the nav bar, I cannot press and hold an option (Home, Talk, etc.) to get the pop-up/context option enabling me to open that page in another tab. :( This is in contrast to the old text navigations at the top in the old design. On the new nav bar, I am only able to touch the options once and open them only in the SAME window. Foo. :(

Home: Still have not yet figured out how to customize it. Feeling distinctly unintelligent right now. :D I'll re-read the other threads on that topic and see what I can do.

Miscellaneous: Composing notes in Talk now seems SUPER s-l-o-w for some reason. Lots of delays and pauses. Not sure if related to site redesign or just an issue with tablet, but it did not seem this way before as I recall.

385lilithcat
Jul 4, 2013, 12:40pm Top

This thread is taking way too long to load.

Starting a new topic.

386avanders
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 2:07pm Top

sorry my issue was resolved. hadn't read all the comments :)

Great new design
thanks for all your hard work!

387runeshower
Jul 4, 2013, 2:25pm Top

Lots of websites that I use change their design on me without warning. Up till now, I've hated that every time it happens. But I love the new design here! It's clean, concise, and seems to be easily navigable. My favorite bit is that it's customizable -- can remove sections I don't want or rearrange their position on the page. Go, LibraryThing!

388JaneAustenNut
Jul 4, 2013, 3:46pm Top

Not sure how I like it yet, but, I'm a person who doesn't like things to change too much. So, will keep on seeing how I like the new pages.

389TheBookSavoury
Jul 4, 2013, 9:56pm Top

Thanks for the reply. None of those actually address the question.

Previously, it was possible to edit collections... add names, change the name of a collection, move the collection to put them in the order you chose.

now the only option is to change according to preset options (the drop-down on the collection bar).

there's no edit option for collections that I can find.

So, however your collections were ordered prior to this is what you're stuck with using, unless you sort by alphabet or number - and you cannot rename collections, either.

390Collectorator
Jul 4, 2013, 10:07pm Top

389, why doesn't this help?
There's a Collection Manager from the dropdown in your catalog that is still there.
And there's a Collection Manager on the page where you edit a work you have cataloged.

391rsterling
Jul 4, 2013, 11:55pm Top

345. What a nice big screen you have. I tried arranging modules the same way you have them, and I get about 1/2 of what you have there, vertically: Your Books, Recently Added, and a few lines of Your Collections.

392TheBookSavoury
Jul 5, 2013, 1:01am Top

Collectorator - my issue is not with individual titles. You are talking about a function for a single title. I am talking about the edit function for all collections.

On the dashboard, for the collections module, there is no longer any way to edit your collections. Previously, there was an edit button. You could name collections and move them around within your "collection" module. Now you can't. You cannot change the name of a collection, name a new one, or move existing ones without using the pre-chosen three options in the dropdown menu. That's all that's possible.

When I click on "collections" in the "your books" section on the dashboard - it doesn't show any collections. It shows tags for the last collection I was in.

In addition, I have tried to add books to collections for hours now, and have tried to remove books from collections. Neither function is working. I tried this with two different browsers, just to check.

Then, when I was selecting a group of books within a catalog to tag, the tag would show up, then disappear. I tried this, also over the course of several hours. This must have been a glitch (as is the removing, etc, I assume) because, after several hours I came back and tried to use the tag function in a collection again and this time it didn't disappear.

393brightcopy
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 1:09am Top

Tim: I followed up with bookel on the problems in #356. He/she changed the default font in Firefox to Verdana 20pt. That's going to bring up problems with px fonts. So that's one piece of the puzzle.

394Collectorator
Jul 5, 2013, 1:15am Top

392, no, I'm really not talking about a single title, I've been talking about Collection Manager which is a box that pops up when you click "Edit collections" from the dropdown anywhere you see a list of your collections.

I visited your catalog just now, and tried to do this from the All Collections button, but you have so many collections that it won't reach down to the last one which is "Edit collections."

I can't test it for you from a work page you have because I can't "Edit your book," but truly, if you go to an edit your book page, there is a spot that gives you a chance to select the collection you want that book to go in, and the last item on the list is "Edit collections."

395Collectorator
Jul 5, 2013, 1:26am Top


396TheBookSavoury
Jul 5, 2013, 2:29am Top

Ahhh. Thank you, Collectorator. If it was there in the previous iteration, I never used it that way. Thank you for your patience and help.

397Collectorator
Jul 5, 2013, 4:20am Top

I am happy to help. :)

398Africansky1
Jul 5, 2013, 4:36am Top

I would like to see Wiki thing , Legacy Libraries and Common Knowledge more accessible and prominently featured on the Dashboard view or what ever it ends up being called .

399BobH1
Jul 5, 2013, 6:18am Top

Not happy with this! Without reverting to the old design, how can I revert to written lists of recommendations rather than book covers? (Book covers are meaningless, and to have to hover over them to find out what they are is just "make-work") How can I change the area covered for the events list, which now coves events two hundred or so miles from my location (instead of the previous 30 in the old design). As it is I've had to delete all these features from my home page, because they are all now useless!

400sanlon
Jul 5, 2013, 6:20am Top

Just used new design to upload 25 books and did a few searches - so far Id say well done on the design. It works well. Thanks!

401Vivl
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 7:02am Top

>399 BobH1:

Hi BobH1,

You can find the option to change recommended books from covers to titles just at the top of the list, under the list title. For example, under Top Automatic Recommendations, the next line says "1-20 of X (next)" followed by links for titles, cover or shelf.

The option is kind of hiding in plain sight! I must admit I firstly clicked on Settings and there is no option there to change how you want your Recommendations displayed. Took me a while to notice the obvious!

402Miro
Jul 5, 2013, 7:40am Top



This is true, but styling/design also applies to functionality (i.e. what the car can do, not just what it looks like).

Compare the reviews/comments thread on Amazon.com for "Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone" (as an example) with the equivalent on LibraryThing and decide which site design is in a dead end.

I like LibraryThing's library comparison tool but it is surely a mistake to protect the tender sensibilites of reviewers with regard to their reviews - although L.T. reviewers of course think otherwise.

403copefiend2
Jul 5, 2013, 9:58am Top

I can't find the early reviewers page.

404nandadevi
Jul 5, 2013, 10:01am Top

Re 403 > copefiend2. See message 333 for locations of 'lost' bits. Hope this helps ...

405Booktrovert
Jul 5, 2013, 10:02am Top

i really like the new design. thank you! everything feels calmer on the eyes. :)

406mysterymax
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 10:22am Top

I tried to add two modules to my home page - one was the ER notice and I forget what the other was. I got the no module yet notice. When I went back today and tried again to add the ER module it went in ok. However, I have two blank spaces with 'no module yet'. I could not find a way to remove them, so have moved them to the bottom of the page, but would appreciate knowing if there is a way to get rid of them.

407bcrowl399
Jul 5, 2013, 1:54pm Top

So far, I like the new design. I've only been with LT a short time, so I barely got used to the old page. But so far, it's pretty nice.

408WeeziesBooks
Jul 5, 2013, 2:29pm Top

I don't understand why HOME is mostly a blank page with "Dashboard". Where did the books and other menu items go? How do I re-set or see the new home screen?

409SqueakyChu
Jul 5, 2013, 2:32pm Top

> 408

It's currently under repair. It will be back fairly soon, I'm sure. Not to worry!

410hailelib
Jul 5, 2013, 2:33pm Top

See the bugs thread -- Tim is working on the page.

411jjwilson61
Jul 5, 2013, 2:33pm Top

They were trying to fix a problem on the Home page and it seems to have broken completely. I'm sure it will be back soon.

412nandadevi
Jul 5, 2013, 2:34pm Top

Re 408 > I'm guessing but either there's some maintenance work going on or something rather bad has happened. I too am now looking a pretty much empty Home page (and all of the pages with Modules on them are also coming up as empty shells). I thought I might go away and read a book for a while and check back in later.

413timspalding
Jul 5, 2013, 2:35pm Top

Sorry about the blank page. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Stupid error. Fixed.

414Collectorator
Jul 5, 2013, 2:37pm Top

413, YaY! That was really quite fast.

415nandadevi
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 2:51pm Top

Ah, no problem. Reminds me of the time that Jon Postel hijacked the internet, more or less. Showed them who had the power, yes indeed.

Looking good now.

416theduckthief
Jul 5, 2013, 6:34pm Top

I like the new layout but I would appreciate being able to have 2-3 different colour schemes to choose from. Not really a fan of the brown. If this is possible then great, if not I'll live with it.

417BobNolin
Jul 5, 2013, 7:16pm Top

It would be nice if the "add a message" box were at the top, IMO. As for the design, please add an option to show text instead of book covers. You can't read the titles unless the covers are really big, often, and that means the list is small. I'd rather see a lot of titles on one page than a handful of covers.

Otherwise - glad to see work is being done to improve LT's look and usability.

418dekesolomon
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 9:34pm Top

This message has been deleted by its author.

419crazy4reading
Jul 5, 2013, 9:47pm Top

#406> I got rid of the No Module Yet by restoring to the defaults. I now added the ER Module and don't have the No Module Yet.

420TheFlamingoReads
Jul 5, 2013, 11:52pm Top

I love the new look and, while it may take a day or two to get used to, change is good. Having said that, this question may have already been asked and answered but I don't have the time to plow through 419 entries so please bear with me. Where do I mark a LTER book as received? It used to be on the right side of the home page and now I got nothin'. Thank you!

421TomWingfield
Jul 6, 2013, 12:33am Top

I absolutely LOVE the new design. It's sleeker, a lot cleaner, better-looking, and overall easier to use.

422TomWingfield
Jul 6, 2013, 12:37am Top

I think you should be able to add your own cover when they don't have one available--like a scanned image or something similar.

423keristars
Jul 6, 2013, 12:45am Top

422> You can.

424Lunarreader
Jul 6, 2013, 6:41am Top

I like the new "one way" vertical approach, it's clear and better for mobile devices. Overall, with the re-order option it is a huge improvement. Congratulations!
One thing i don't like is the styling of the upper menu bar, (Home, Your books, Add books, ...), the highlight blocks upon selecting a menu item, are awful and hurt my eyes ;)
They are just too short to go all the way up, there is still a small dark line on top, and a more basic design in which the word only changes color or with a more "matched" color in the background would have been eye-friendlier ...
But hey, that's just me.

425Czarnopys
Jul 6, 2013, 8:24am Top

TMI - I used the other design much more easily. I'll be here much less.

426KWoman
Jul 6, 2013, 8:26am Top

I don't like the new design at all-far harder to navigate, in my opinion. I doubt I'll be using librarything much anymore.

427MerryMary
Jul 6, 2013, 9:49am Top

You are throwing away all the great things on this site because you find the navigation a little difficult?

What will you do when you get older and you find your own navigation a little difficult? ;-)

428BobH1
Edited: Jul 6, 2013, 11:56am Top

401> Doh!

That's resolved my major issue, thanks!

429Richj
Jul 6, 2013, 1:50pm Top

I would like to choose what is in the dashboard (for instance, add similar libraries), more information in the sidebar and a more compact layout. Per machine cookies so I can have different layouts depending how big the screens are on each computer.

430Carolee888
Jul 6, 2013, 2:52pm Top

Will the page on Your Books be transferred over later?

431dowsabella
Jul 6, 2013, 5:00pm Top

I really don't like the new design at all. I have defective colour vision, and the whole page appears messy.

432LadyLo
Jul 6, 2013, 8:24pm Top

I don't like the new design. The old design was perfect for my needs. One of my favorite things was the suggested reading lists - both the automatic and the member suggestions. I liked to just see all the titles listed and the scroll to go down the list. I don't like all the visuals of the book covers - which means fewer books per page. It is just annoying. I tried to switch back (where the message in the right corner says to just click to switch back) but it did not work. I hope that is just a bug being worked out - because I really want to go back to the old format.
LadyLo

433krazy4katz
Jul 6, 2013, 8:32pm Top

Hi LadyLo,

You won't be able to go back to the old version, but you can make those automatic and member suggestions show up as titles instead of book covers. Click on "titles" just above the suggestions.

434Robert_Weaver
Jul 7, 2013, 12:02pm Top

>>There were no changes to font colors for text content, excepting minor changes to the link colors.

Oh, yeah... could you reverse those? Some of us have a passionate hatred for default blue.

:D

435Muscogulus
Jul 7, 2013, 2:26pm Top

>55 brightcopy: Reset your browser font size by pressing alt-zero "or possibly alt-command-zero if you're on a mac."

It's ⌘ 0 (command-zero), not alt-command-zero. The Windows "alt" key corresponds to the "option" key (also subtitled "alt") on a Mac.

436mikitchenlady
Jul 7, 2013, 2:31pm Top

I can't the Early Reviewers page/my stuff without a lot of digging. This used to be on the upper right side of my main page - oh where, oh where did it go?

437meanderer
Jul 7, 2013, 3:17pm Top

Now that I've learnt how to add my thread list to the home page I really like the new design.

438brightcopy
Jul 7, 2013, 4:00pm Top

#435 by Muscogulus> Thanks for the correction. I think I must have landed on a google page that was talking about indesign (it uses alt-command-0 to reset zoom, apparently) when trying to give some quick mac instructions.

439brightcopy
Jul 7, 2013, 4:01pm Top

Just a reminder for folks who are starting NEW discussions on this thread:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156124 <--- This is the new place to go.

440MarcusH
Jul 7, 2013, 9:01pm Top

I can't seem to reorder anything on the dashboard. I click on the modules and it continuously highlights the text instead of moving the module.

441keristars
Jul 7, 2013, 9:10pm Top

440> Are you clicking on the modules' headers, the box at the top?

442thesmellofbooks
Edited: Jul 7, 2013, 10:23pm Top

Oh, no. Another site I was happy with has changed to a design I don't like, and I have to adapt or die. (Adapt, die or move away.) I tried reverting but in fact what I got was not the old design, and if it is only temporary I suppose there's no point. The new design feels cold to me. I think largely because of the white background. Poo. I'll get used to it...

443AnnaClaire
Jul 7, 2013, 10:31pm Top

The new design feels cold to me.


I suggested an adjustment to full Neapolitan choc/van/straw in a post to this thread. Would that be less cold? (Or would you rather melt it first?)

444brightcopy
Jul 7, 2013, 11:07pm Top

#442 by thesmellofbooks> FYI, it always had a white (html color #FFFFFF) background. However, the contrast might make you perceive the white as "whiter" than it was before.

445jjmcgaffey
Jul 8, 2013, 12:23am Top

440> Are you clicking the Reorder link in the header? That opens a different page, which should let you rearrange things. Then click Save at the top of that page and you'll be back on your home page with the modules in the new order.

446lynnoconnacht
Jul 8, 2013, 4:38am Top

#440 Did you revert to the old design? I can't reorder the modules when I do that. It just highlights the modules the way you're describing.

447jenniebooks
Jul 8, 2013, 8:35am Top

what would the library over time feature look like when it is complete?

448dablackwood
Jul 8, 2013, 10:58am Top

I really liked the old site so change will be hard for me. I really miss the member recommendations with the recommender's name. I know which people tend to like the same books as I do. It saved time to have that right with the recommendation. That said, I'm going to work hard to like the new site.

449lorax
Jul 8, 2013, 12:00pm Top

448>

That information's still available on the full Recommendations page (which you can get to by clicking on the "Recommendations" link on the subnav on the New Home.)

450modalursine
Jul 8, 2013, 1:30pm Top

Ho ho! You took me by surprise. I didn't know a redesign was in the works.

Was that mentioned in the lastest "state of the thing? Maybe I missed it.

Is there an FAQ somewhere highlighting what changed, what we can do now that we couldn't do before or what info we have available that wasn't here before and so on?

When it comes to colors and fonts and formats, they're all the same to me as long as the font is legible and large enough for my tired old eyes to read without glasses, has sufficient color contrast between foreground and background and avoids hiding controls so that I need to go on an Easter egg hunt to get routine things done.

451conceptDawg
Jul 8, 2013, 4:15pm Top

This thread has been continued. Please post new comments there.

Also, don't post comments about CONTENT in this thread. Specifically, all of the people saying "I'm not coming back to LT because they moved my favorite feature that was on my home page. I can't get to that feature anymore." Those comments are for the HOME PAGE THREAD.

This thread is for DESIGN only. That means the header/navigation at the top of every LT page.

452brightcopy
Jul 8, 2013, 4:18pm Top

FYI:

HOME Bugs (specific things going wrong or missing): http://www.librarything.com/topic/156292

HOME Comments (I hate it/I love it): http://www.librarything.com/topic/156114

453MarcusH
Edited: Jul 8, 2013, 5:51pm Top

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454MarcusH
Jul 8, 2013, 5:51pm Top

That was the issue. Thanks lynnoconnacht!

455timspalding
Jul 8, 2013, 5:51pm Top

Click and drag?

456CarolO
Edited: Jul 8, 2013, 7:05pm Top

moving to the other thread...sorry.

457Kellswitch
Jul 8, 2013, 10:48pm Top

I finally figured out what I don't like about the new design. I miss the words Library Thing in their fun little font, instead of just the L.

458jjmcgaffey
Jul 8, 2013, 10:53pm Top

457> You're looking at it on a smaller screen - if you can find a bigger one, or make your browser window bigger, the full LibraryThing is still there. It just goes down to L (and a slightly narrower bar) to make more room on a small screen.

"Small" is interesting, though - I get the L on my XP computer, on a 19" monitor. It's square rather than widescreen, and I don't remember what the resolution is but it's not tremendous - but I never thought of it as a small screen before! It's actually easier to look at the home page on that rather than my (more commonly used) widescreen laptop, because the home page is so vertical. The square screen has a lot more vertical view, so less scrolling.

459ATracy69
Jul 9, 2013, 3:40pm Top

where is the footer I cant find were I can go to look for books for early reviewers

460norabelle414
Jul 10, 2013, 9:23am Top

>459 ATracy69: If you scroll allllll the way down to the bottom of the page, you'll see a bunch of links in a row and one of them says "Early Reviewers"

461bookymouse
Jul 10, 2013, 1:58pm Top

Everything used to be easy to find. Now it just looks like Goodreads and Facebook. I am very disappointed.

462timspalding
Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 2:02pm Top

Everything used to be easy to find. Now it just looks like Goodreads and Facebook. I am very disappointed.

As for the design, I can only point to this post http://www.librarything.com/topic/156004#4176272

For the finding, what are you not able to find? The tabs are the same, minus the profile tab, which is available from the home page (see the subnav) as before, and by clicking your name from any page on the site.

The home page itself has changed somewhat, but instead of everything being thrown together pell-mell, they are now divided into categories (on the left).

Other than that, nothing's changed--the stuff below the nav is the same everywhere else.

463bookymouse
Jul 10, 2013, 2:16pm Top

The only way I have found to get to the Early Review section is to scroll all the way to the bottom in the row of links with "contact" and such. This information used to be plain as day on the right hand side. There was something else I couldn't find, but I gave up and had to leave the computer for a bit. Now I can't recall what it was.

464timspalding
Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 2:22pm Top

The section is under "books" on the left. When there's an open batch, they'll be a notice on the right side, in news.

465Collectorator
Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 2:24pm Top

463, http://www.librarything.com/home#books
Early Reviewers can be added to your dashboard.

beaten by the man himself!

466bookymouse
Jul 10, 2013, 2:38pm Top

465
Thank you! I just added it to my dashboard.

467nerwende
Jul 10, 2013, 4:40pm Top

I _really_ love the new look but I'm still going to switch back to the old design for now. I'm using the site 98% from mobile/touch screen, and just customising the dashboard seems to be impossible at the moment. Links to access module settings simply don't react at all. Also, I went to the unused page, and tried to use "add to dashboard" but those modules simply disappeared. Can't move the dashboard modules around either. The homepage is completely empty except for the links on top and left. And when I'm using fi.librarything.com things overlap really badly towards the right side of the page (zeitgeist and search box for example).
Was testing on Safari/iPad this time around if it makes any difference.

468Juskosave57
Jul 14, 2013, 2:20am Top

The importance of a book website is to expose authors books to readers and readers to share their experience or give comments on the books they read. If Library Thing has excelled in all these then new design isn't all that necessary.

469Collectorator
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 3:06am Top

468, horsepoo

470Nicole_VanK
Jul 14, 2013, 4:43am Top

Well, it will probably by the main function for some people. :-)

471brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 9:42am Top

468> No.

472timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:51am Top

Wait, I agree--with the caveat that LT also has a strong cataloging angle. But yes, if LibraryThing is excelling in its core mission, a new design isn't necessary. But bad design isn't a frill. It eats away at overall excellence. If LibraryThing is poorly organized, it eats away. If members have fewer people to talk to because new people show up and say "Wow, this site looks dated!" and go away, that eats away.

473cherryberry360
Jul 15, 2013, 7:44pm Top

The major dislike I have about the new design is how you have to go to the main page to click on the link for your profile. If I'm looking at one of my book lists and want to quickly go back to my profile, I need to first go to the home page - very annoying!

474Collectorator
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 8:20pm Top

473, you can click on your username anywhere on the site. It will always be in the upper right corner of every page. It's just like the way you always visit other people's profiles: by clicking on their username.

475mlight
Jul 18, 2013, 7:42am Top

I liked the old feature that listed recent books that people rated four or five stars (and a link if they reviewed it). This was invaluable reader advisory & I probably will stop visiting this page because it is completely removed from the new & old design.

476ranaverde
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 12:58am Top

Would it be possible to change the Early Reviewers module so that you can set it to show no book covers at all? To be honest, I don't really care which books are the most requested; instead I find the extra visual information to be distracting and unnecessary. If I want to look at the books, I'll go to the list itself.

If I *must* have a display of books there, a display of books *I* requested would be more useful.

477conceptDawg
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 2:34am Top

476: Ask that question in the New Home Page thread. This thread is more for the new design of the ChocoBar™ at the the top of the page (new tabs, fixed orientation, etc.).

478Coffeehag
Jul 25, 2013, 9:27am Top

Could you put a link to "Profile" on the top navigation bar?

479jjwilson61
Jul 25, 2013, 9:29am Top

It's there already. Just click on your username.

480norabelle414
Jul 25, 2013, 9:30am Top

>478 Coffeehag: There is a link to "profile" on the top bar - just click on your username.

481brightcopy
Jul 25, 2013, 10:13am Top

Really wish LT had a way to pop a "new features" type hint at the top (disable-able to avoid the whinging). There could have been one that pointed to the username and told you to get to your profile you can just click there.

482CourthouseQuilters
Jul 26, 2013, 10:20am Top

I think it looks terrific. For best use of my particular library, it would help to have the "search site" and "search your library" farther apart and more distinguishable.

483divinenanny
Jul 26, 2013, 10:27am Top

You can move the Your Books module anywhere you want, and if you use the two column set up, it moves even further away.

484kristawalters
Jul 26, 2013, 4:29pm Top

It's pretty cool but there is not any easy way to add reviews. There needs to be an add a review button somewhere. I have read 11 book and have been completely unable to add reviews. : ( Please help with this!!!

485brightcopy
Edited: Jul 26, 2013, 4:35pm Top

#484 by kristawalters> Add the book to your catalog. Click the book. Click the "Review" button at the top of the page. Enter text. Click save review.

(There are other ways as well, but this is already a bit off topic. Nothing regarding entering reviews has changed.)

486justablondemoment
Edited: Jul 29, 2013, 2:58pm Top

Really love the new design.

One thing that I have been dreaming of seeing added would be the ability to color code different genres. My catalog is very detailed for ex: Romance is not just romance it is split out by what kind of romance. Romance--Historical/Western, Romance--Paranormal/Vampires ect. Because of this my catalog is enormous as I split each book out by genre then sub genre. Color coding the different genres would be immensely valuable for me. In fact just the ability to "sub" your catalog would be like heaven.

Another thing problem for me is when I go to reorganize the layout of the order my categorys fall in. If I type in a new category (genre) which I do a lot of click and drag only lets me take it down a few lines at a time. As I alphabetize this is a big pain True Crime for example takes forever to get into place. I'm not sure I'm explaining all this right but if you visit my profile you will get an idea of what I mean.

As this thread is talking about more the home page layout and new looks I'm not sure this is the right place to put my request but, I'm begging for my sanity, and putting sugar on the please, for these things to be given attention. Perhaps, it's just an OCD thing but, I can't be the only one who catalogs like this.

I know many are going to say---that is what tags are for. But I use tags for other things ex: states the book takes place in, 5 star rated books, and other words that describe book but not defining as far as placing in a category.

487jjwilson61
Jul 29, 2013, 3:12pm Top

The UI for tags is optimized for large numbers while collections is optimized for a smaller number. So you might find that it works better if you switched the way you use collections and the way you use tags around. (Power Edit would make it much less painful to do).

488lorax
Jul 29, 2013, 4:07pm Top

486, 487>

The Collections UI did not change with the new design, and as such this discussion might be better off in a new Talk About LibraryThing thread.

489Collectorator
Edited: Jul 31, 2013, 4:40pm Top

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490jolijtje
Aug 2, 2013, 8:33am Top

The chocolate-y is so dark that it shows itself like black, brown could have been nice.
I so much miss the option to click on my own profile while visiting someone elses homepages. First you have to go to your own home and than there is the possiblity to click on your profile. Could you please give this option back to us? Thanks a lot!

491jjwilson61
Aug 2, 2013, 9:19am Top

If you click on your name in the heading it will take you directly to your Profile.

492bookjones
Aug 5, 2013, 8:45am Top

I have to say, I don't like not having a dedicated Profile page tab.

493jjmcgaffey
Edited: Aug 5, 2013, 7:37pm Top

You do know you can click your name (over on the top right) to go to your profile? That's why Tim got rid of it - having two things to click to go to the same place seemed wasteful.

494jjwilson61
Aug 6, 2013, 9:38am Top

Yeah, I said that in the post just before his.

495Nicole_VanK
Aug 6, 2013, 9:44am Top

Well, I must admit I often simply forget about that too. Not quite used to the "click your name" thing yet, I guess. Not a flexible as I used to be at twenty. But I'll adapt, and I certainly don't see it as a huge thing.

496gws-uw
Aug 6, 2013, 12:15pm Top

Sorry-I posted this previously in the wrong place.

I'd like a way to search for a user/collection on the homepage. This shouldn't be hard; this is possible in the (well-hidden) advanced search.
Right now, if someone (including I) doesn't have the url of my/a collection, it's near impossible to find.

497jjwilson61
Aug 6, 2013, 1:02pm Top

Still, not the right place as this thread has been continued twice already (look for the thread with the same title but with a #3).

But in any case, as lorax, I believe, said in the other thread. There's a search box in the upper left corner of every page where you can search for anything on the site, including users. Why can't you use that?

498melonasia
Aug 19, 2013, 10:39am Top

I'm not sure I am getting the new design or not. I don't see anything red on the nav bar, it still looks like a bandaid color to me! What am I doing wrong. I'm not very active on the site. I want to be, but keep putting it off. I love what I see though and I love to read so I'll get it together soon.

499jjmcgaffey
Aug 19, 2013, 9:51pm Top

I think you must have gone back to the old design. It's a little complicated to see the new one (and believe me, if you were on the new one you'd know it).

On your home page, on the right, is there a News column? If so, look at the top section, Top News. There's two items (on mine, at least), then a little link saying (two more). Click that. Two more things pop up - the bottom one says "New Design", says which you're using (old or new), and has a link for switching between them.

If you don't have a News column on the right, it's because you're viewing LT on a small screen - unfortunately the definition of a small screen is pretty big (under 1024? not sure). If you can boost your resolution, expand your browser window, or go sign in to LT on another device with a bigger screen, the News column will appear and you can find and click the link to switch.

500cainmark
Oct 1, 2013, 11:35pm Top

Pretty much what I was going to write. Much prefer the older aged-page color.

501cainmark
Oct 1, 2013, 11:37pm Top

Yep.

502jolijtje
Edited: Oct 8, 2013, 4:00pm Top

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503jolijtje
Oct 8, 2013, 4:01pm Top

I still have problems with the fact that I can't delete the deleted comments from my archive. Could you please make this possible? I would like to be able to empty the trash = deleted comments, like in an e-mail account. Now that the website is being changed is this a chance to make this happen? Not sure if this is fitting to the topic of New design.
Thanks!!

504jjmcgaffey
Oct 8, 2013, 5:51pm Top

No, unrelated to the new design. You could request it in Recommended Site Improvements, though.

505macnoid
Oct 28, 2013, 12:44am Top

I can't find the Early Reviewers info....the books, my history of books won, etc!

506jjmcgaffey
Edited: Oct 28, 2013, 3:08am Top

Look at Msg 499 (and several just before it, too). Sorry - writing it out for the fourth time is just too much. Try "search in page", if there are too many posts to read through (which there are).

Sorry, I meant 463 and following. Found by searching for Early.

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