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Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:18pm Top

This topic is for general comments on the new home pages.

For bugs on the new home:

The new design and the new homes page went live at the same point. For comments on the new design see here. For bugs in the new design see here.

Here's a poll:

Vote: I like the new home pages better than the old home page. Note: This is not about the new design colors, etc.

Current tally: Yes 714, No 221, Undecided 234

Jul 2, 2013, 3:58pm Top

Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books
oooo I love this!

Jul 2, 2013, 3:58pm Top


Jul 2, 2013, 3:58pm Top

Your Quick Links
I love this too!!

Jul 2, 2013, 3:59pm Top

Looking good!

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:02pm Top

The covers are so BIG!!! Can't we make them smaller, please? A little choice button for those of us who like white space and not "in your face" views?

Edit: just noticed that the size of the covers on the "recently added" is ok; it's in the recommendations that they really jump and scream at you...

Jul 2, 2013, 4:02pm Top

Yes. Choose the "settings" in each section. It's all customizable.

Generally-speaking, however, while you CAN change it, I want to know if people think they are too big.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:05pm Top

How do I get rid of modules that don't interest me?

Found it.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:03pm Top

First Impression: Love it. Off to explore.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:03pm Top

Recent Book Haiku
This is nice. :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:04pm Top

Wow. It starteld me. But I will get used to it. Just getting the feel of things.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:04pm Top


Jul 2, 2013, 4:05pm Top

Is there a way to navigate to the blogs without knowing the URL?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:06pm Top

Stunning, just bleeping stunning.

The vertical orientation, the cover views (or shelf or titles - different strokes!), the colors, the fixed top bar...

And then there's the color scheme and typography. And then there's the color scheme and typography.

Out of the park and into out space. Fantastic job.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:07pm Top

Nuuu. Take me back, take me back! *reverts*

Jul 2, 2013, 4:08pm Top


I like the way you've pulled lots of 'hidden' stuff out into the light, like recent haiku descriptions and lists!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:09pm Top

I'm a very visual person; so, Your Library Over Time appeals to me lots. :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:09pm Top

7> Oh thanks, I'd missed that, and thought that the 'settings' only existed for the whole space.
I've changed the size to 'small' and they're fine now

(if I can be picky, when you reduce the cover size, the blank space between the title of the section and the covers is too big...)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:10pm Top

Please give us back the "Profile" link.

Thank you.

Otherwise, it's lovely.

Suggestion: The "find out more" link merely leads to this comment thread. I expected it to lead to a post that actually described the changes and told us how to reorder and add/remove modules*.

*I only know we can do this because you told me so at ALA**. I don't see how to do it on the page itself.

** Thanks again for the Exhibits pass!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:10pm Top

What I miss on the front page is the summary of Talk discussions. I find that more interesting than the Recommendations, be they automatic or from members. I would be more interested in what my Connections recently added.

I can all find it, so that is no problem. But for a dashboard I see some room for improvement (or flexibility). But it is better than the recent Flickr-upgrade. Chapeau!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:10pm Top

Ah. I forgot to say. You can get to your profile by clicking on your name at the top.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:11pm Top

Oh, whoops. The home is now available when you are in the old design. It's the NEW HOME, but it's available.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:13pm Top

My catalog looks shiny with this new color scheme. I'm going to Half Price Books tomorrow to get stuff to catalog. The thingie stuck at the top in black is going to enable me to get rid of a bunch of Toolbar Bookmarks! I guess we're calling that the dashboard? Well, it's dashing!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:16pm Top

20 - Me too! I really need the Talk discussions summaries.

Are they hidden somewhere else? Without that I'll end up being a lot less active in groups because I'll just forget to go look for new posts, and I won't necessarily remember whose posts I've commented on.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:16pm Top

I like it!
Quick things:
1. love the re-order home page modules
2. will we be able to add the "groups/talk" back as a module to our homepages?
3. I get a few "Add Another" links that appear and disappear (such as bottom of the right-sidebar news column, but they don't yield much. Is this known or is my browser borking something?
4. If you're keeping score - I'm in the "fan of the new color scheme" column

Thanks LT team!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:17pm Top

What I miss on the front page is the summary of Talk discussions. I find that more interesting than the Recommendations, be they automatic or from members. I would be more interested in what my Connections recently added.

Any module from any page can be added to your dashboard. It's up to you. Customize as you like.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:17pm Top

2. will we be able to add the "groups/talk" back as a module to our homepages?

Yes. You can already. Go to that module and click to "Add to your dashboard."

Jul 2, 2013, 4:18pm Top

The default is hideous. More after I've customized what I can.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:19pm Top


Tell me which defaults would be better. We focused on certain core things but, of course, users use it differently.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:19pm Top

so far I love it.

currently reading? is that somewhere I haven't found it?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:21pm Top

>30 majkia:

Not released. Close, but not released.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:24pm Top

Generally, I like the new home page; lots of functionality, information, customizability. I'll put some comments on the other redesign on the other thread.

On the home page:
I also found the default cover size (medium?) a little large. There's also a bit too much white cushioning between the cover images for my taste, but not a big deal.

Sort of missing the 2 column design (though not the fixed width of the 2 columns before). There's a lot of white space to the left and right that I'd like to fill with stuff. It might be nice to have the option of having 2 columns for my main stuff, maybe identical in width, where I could decide what went where.

On the "dashboard", in "Recently Added," the "titles" view seems to have a lot of white space, like the type is double spaced. The other modules aren't like that.

"About you" has cool stuff and visuals. I like the "recently uploaded member covers for your books." The "library over time" graph is cool, but maybe a bit big.

Quick links: cool idea, but this is confusing, because you've also got a previously existing feature with the same name, and very different functionality.

Really like the "helpers" page. But should that be "helpings," since it's about my helpings not helpers in general?

What is "unused" supposed to mean?

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:26pm Top

32> you can also reduce the size of the graph, just like the covers :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:23pm Top

I'm still not seeing how to add, remove, or reorder things.


Jul 2, 2013, 4:24pm Top

If you remove the Member Gallery module...where does it go? I ask because mine is currently empty, so I'd like to pull it off the main dashboard, at least for now, but I have not yet been able to find out how I would go about restoring it later should I choose to do so.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:24pm Top

33 - Hover over the first line of the module, and you should see "settings" pop up.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:25pm Top

niiiiice. Particularly like the option to move modules to the dashboard and remove the ones that I'm less fussed about.

And agree with 18 - making the covers smaller doesn't seem to make the overall height of the module smaller in sync.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:25pm Top

33 I found the reorder and delete... but where does one find the "add a module"?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:26pm Top

Where do I find modules to add other than what's in the (limited) set I get when I "restore defaults"? I'm puzzled.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:26pm Top

I can't reorder the dashboard. tried both FF 22 and Chrome 27

Jul 2, 2013, 4:26pm Top

>34 lilithcat: If you hover over the top of a module (the grayish bar) the Remove, Reorder and settings options appear. If you go on another page, there is also an option to Add to Dashboard.

Over all, I like it a lot. My only wee wish would be the option to make my Dashboard 1 or 2 columns. I have a big window on my desktop so I'd like to take advantage of the horizontal space, as opposed to scrolling vertically to see everything.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:27pm Top

anyway to keep it the way it was?
if it ain't broke...

Jul 2, 2013, 4:27pm Top

33 "you can also reduce the size of the graph, just like the covers :)"

Yeah, even at "tiny" I find it takes up too much screen space.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:27pm Top

Follow-on to my 28:

When I first arrived at the New Home I was immediately struck by an overwhelming sense of emptiness. Tons of wasted space on the left (pure whitespace below a small sidebar menu) and the right (the News). Double-spacing between a list of my Recently Added books? Really? This is one good case for book covers and it's not there? And even after dismissing the "New notification" that's ALL I can see on my laptop screen.

Okay, let's switch to covers for Recently Added. Bleah, that's no better, now I just have miles of whitespace above them.

Terminology is inconsistent - I click on a link to "remove" a module and am given a confirmation box to "delete" it.

Still way too much whitespace. I guess "Home" will become just a "Check Tagwatch" page for me, because there sure isn't space for it to show much more than one thing at a time. At least the new color scheme is nice.


But it is better than the recent Flickr-upgrade.

Now that's damning with faint praise if I ever heard it, but I do agree.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:28pm Top

I'm still not seeing how to add, remove, or reorder things.

What browser are you in?

If you remove the Member Gallery module...where does it go?

If you delete everything from everywhere, it shows in the "Unused" home page page, on the left.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:28pm Top


As it turns out, my main dislike isn't something customizable; I wasn't sure and was reserving judgment. It's just too much empty space.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:29pm Top

I had clicked on everything that sounded likely to find talk discussions, didn't realize it was under "Community." Reordering the modules isn't working for me (nothing will drag).

Possibly the next time there are changes a little tour could be written ahead of time?

Re: cover size - Even though the largish ones said they at medium, I selected medium again and after that they went to the true medium size. For some reason it said medium as the default, but size-wise they were actually showing as ex-large.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:29pm Top

>46 lorax:

The home, or the design generally?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:30pm Top

Reordering the modules isn't working for me (nothing will drag).

What browser are you on?

Possibly the next time there are changes a little tour could be written ahead of time?

I know. It didn't come together as it should. We're a little over-taxed.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:31pm Top

49- I'm using Firefox, the most recent update (I believe). It's not working for me in Chrome either.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:32pm Top

> 45


I see now that one must hover to get the options, so I can see the way to reorder and remove a module. But how do you add one?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:32pm Top

Can't reorder. tried both FF 22 and Chrome 27

Jul 2, 2013, 4:33pm Top

Tim said, "If you delete everything from everywhere, it shows in the "Unused" home page page, on the left." Ah-ha! That's what that is. hmmm. Thanks.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:33pm Top

I'm on Chrome and have no problems with reordering.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:33pm Top

Is the Hot Reviews section still available to add? I cannot find it.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:34pm Top

Ack! Really need to find how to add modules. I just deleted mine and they didn't appear in my Unused. There is something there calle Junk Drawer though.

The "restore" did work. I'm looking in Safari and Chrome.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:34pm Top

When I have the window maximized on my laptop, here's what I see with my new settings:

Oodles of whitespace on the left.

Whitespace on the top with the word "Dashboard" in it.

The "Your books" module, with the defaults.

The "Recently added", with one row of "Small covers", with whitespace inside the module above and below approximately equal to the height of the covers.

The header line for "Tag watch" and my list of tags to narrow it to.

That's it. Old Home isn't available, so I can't compare, but it was far, far richer.

You can't go home again, sadly.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:34pm Top

>48 timspalding:
I'm not happy with the amount of white space, particularly on the home page. It means that much more scrolling since I use a widescreen laptop. (For the record, I have no business whatsoever buying electronics until either I have a job or this computer breaks down entirely.)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:35pm Top

Tim: Perhaps it would be wise to put Talk on the Dashboard by default, as I think there are a lot of people who simply don't know any other way to get to it. And if they can't find it, it makes it a lot harder to get here to ask why. Some percentage of them will find the Talk tab at the top, of course. If your intention is to drive them there instead, that's fine. But otherwise, maybe a rethink. Too late?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:36pm Top

Is it possible that the people trying to reorder are just trying to drag the modules without first clicking "Reorder"? This button is available on each module bar, when you mouse over it, and at the bottom of the modules.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:37pm Top

Tim: Perhaps it would be wise to put Talk on the Dashboard by default, as I think there are a lot of people who simply don't know any other way to get to it. And if they can't find it, it makes it a lot harder to get here to ask why. Some percentage of them will find the Talk tab at the top, of course. If your intention is to drive them there instead, that's fine. But otherwise, maybe a rethink. Too late?

It's back on the dashboard.

If you're changed your dashboard already, it won't be there. Go get it under "Community."

Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

I cannot find a way to make the local events section on my dashboard show only those at the locations I've starred as my favorites. I can filter down to that on the Local tab but I don't see a way to do that on the dashboard module.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

No, I'd clicked reorder. I figured it out though. I'd reverted to the old design (thought it meant the actual old layout and everything, not just a different header), and it's there that you can't reorder. Back on the new one and reordering works.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

I see you say I can add talk back, but I can't figure out HOW. Can you walk me through with baby steps?

(the only other thing I immediately changed was swapping to cover view for my recent adds - largely so they don't take up as much vertical space. SO MUCH below the fold now, but eh, it's all stuff I don't care about.)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:38pm Top

Ok so reordering only works in new design. Pitty

Jul 2, 2013, 4:39pm Top

It looks too much like Goodreads. If you actually want a break from that site the new interface gives a horrible feeling of not being able to have one.

Will be using the old format for as long as possible. Sometimes things are preferable because they are different.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:39pm Top

... and you fixed it for all of us while I was typing! That works too :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:40pm Top

Dates on "Connection News" please

Jul 2, 2013, 4:42pm Top

I'm glad to see others also think there's too much white space on the new Home page. I also can't see very many things on my widescreen laptop, mostly ever just one module or 1 and part of a second. Again, would like to have an option to have more columns.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:43pm Top

Oooooooh, Modules can be added via the left column navigation only. Got it now! All top nav just takes you to the pages. A place where you can not add modules from. So to add modules use left navigation. Got it! Working great now.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:43pm Top

Nice change! Now take a break, over-taxed librarything team :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:43pm Top

Ok so reordering only works in new design. Pitty.

Good catch. We're fixing it.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:45pm Top

>51 lilithcat: I found my topics posts and my group memberships under Discover --> Community. If you hover over the top of each segment within Community, an 'Add to Dashboard' options shows up. The other Discover categories have different modules you can add, such as reviews, etc.

(Discover: on the left side of the home page. You can't get to the add modules option from the tabs on the top of the home page, I don't think.)

Edited: #70 explains it better than I did!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:46pm Top

Not being on a widescreen, I don't have the acres of white space to right & left.

Might it be possible to have a display type option that would allow widescreen users a wider central column, meaning they're making use of the width that some of us who're stuck in the technological dark ages don't have. I wouldn't want to end up on a site where I'm having to scroll left & right - that's awkward to do.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:47pm Top

Not being on a widescreen, I don't have the acres of white space to right & left.

At the present the home page has a right area that contains news on the dashboard and your feeds. Otherwise it is blank. We are divided whether it should get content on those pages, or expand.

You'd like the home page content to extent to the right, right?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:48pm Top

Add "Talk" as a module please.

Option of Order modules in columns. Lots of scrolling on my widescreen

Jul 2, 2013, 4:48pm Top

>62 SuziQoregon:
Are they at least local? The redesign seems to put me either somewhere in Pennsylvania or else in the Catskills. (The local page itself is fine.)

I already posted this to the bug thread for the home page. (And if that post isn't seen in the next ten minutes or so, I may very well miss the reply when I get home again in four hours.)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:49pm Top

Add "Talk" as a module please.

It is a module. Find it under "Community." You can add it to your dashboard.

The redesign seems to put me either somewhere in Pennsylvania or else in the Catskills.

It looks like there's a problem with where local is putting people on the home page. We're looking at it, after the other things we're looking at… :)

Jul 2, 2013, 4:50pm Top

The home page is OK...I have never really navigated from there much, always going directly to Talk 90% of the time.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:51pm Top

>77 AnnaClaire: now that I look at it even though my zip code is a the top I'm getting a list from all over Washington State. I didn't look too closely because even if I really get the stuff for my own zip code I still want to be able to filter it down to my favorites which doesn't seem to be an option on the Dashboard module.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:52pm Top

>78 timspalding:
Ah. I just wish you had said so on the bug page. Especially since I had posted two bugs.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 4:55pm Top

#80 Faintly, to the right of each event, you'll see the icons for edit, hide, etc. This allows you to filter events. One of the options is to "hide all events from...", for example.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:55pm Top

74: "Might it be possible to have a display type option that would allow widescreen users a wider central column, meaning they're making use of the width that some of us who're stuck in the technological dark ages don't have."

That's actually what is happening: there's a lot of white space *and* the middle/main column is really wide, which I don't really like either. All in all it feels like the info could be better distributed within the space.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:55pm Top

Is there a way to modify the 'Connection News' in 'Home' so that it doesn't display the 50 similar libraries in addition to everyone else?

Jul 2, 2013, 4:55pm Top

75> Not necessarily. Purely selfishly I don't want to end up having to scroll left & right because it's set up for widescreen users when I'm not of their number.

It looks alright to me, with the dashboard news in the middle, the links to the left & the LT news/updates/whatnot column on the right.

IF the white space is bothering some people, then might a configurable width to the dashboard configuration be an option? I'm about as untechy as they come on this type of thing, so that might well be gibberish!

Jul 2, 2013, 4:55pm Top

I have a lot of playing around to do, but my initial impression is very positive. I love the easy access to so much information on the Home pages.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:58pm Top

>82 laytonwoman3rd: - thanks but that seems like the long way around. If events can be filtered to favorites on the Local tab I prefer to see that view available as an option on the Dashboard module.

Jul 2, 2013, 4:58pm Top

Out of curiousity, Tim, did you do any testing of New Home on laptops or other small screens? Because I can see how it would maybe be okay on my big developer monitor at work (I'm at home today), but it's just plain ridiculous on a laptop.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:00pm Top

Yeah, that's my problem, too. Especially since I'm on a widescreen model so the big empty columns on the left and right sides are particularly ludicrous.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:01pm Top

83> Ah, OK, yes, I can imagine see that would be a bit sparse. My 2 columns of connection news make the space look populated but not over crowded. But spread that out and it would be a bit empty.

Number of columns on applicable modules, or option to place modules horizontally would be a good option, given the available width to play with.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:02pm Top

Still getting an error when clicking on the "Add Another" link that appears at the bottom of the right-hand column.

But the more I play with the Home the more I like it! Getting my modules ordered just right is great fun, though dealing with loosing Google Reader and a new LT, on the same day, is a bit stressful. ;)

Jul 2, 2013, 5:05pm Top

We still haven't made a solid decision about what we are going to put on the right side of various home page sections. Obviously the Top News is to the right in Dashboard but we had also talked about putting various links in the right column that corresponded with the home page section that you were in.

That being said, if people would RATHER have that space back for the center column that might be a decision that should have more weight so that we only have a left navigation column and the "center" column on most pages. The Dashboard would still have 3 columns because we need that right column for site-wide announcements, news, etc. That's our spot. You can't have it.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:06pm Top

91: Ah..you shouldn't see that "Add another" link. Thanks.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:07pm Top

I think it's important to be specific on complaints of too much whitespace. It's very different whether that's vertical (line spacing inside of sections or above/below sections) or horizontal whitespace (space to the left/right of sections).

It seems like a big complaint is with horizontal WS. Is there also a lot of complaint about vertical WS?

Tim/cD: Big pain in the ass to contemplate, but what about the option for people to switch choose a 1 column or 2 column view? I think the people on a widescreen monitor who are bothered by the whitespace would probably be happier with a two-column view. Personally, I wouldn't and I much prefer the 1 column vertical layout. Of course, the next question would be if that was tied to cookie or what, as sometimes they might be on a 1 column appropriate device and other times a 2 column one.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:08pm Top

I wasn't expecting the change but am favourably surprised by the new design. It has not taken me long to find my way around it and some of the comments on this thread helped me find things, such as changing the list of my recently posted book titles to book covers, even on a shelf.

I must say, well done. It looks impressive. Much more modern and it is easy to get used to. I like it.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:09pm Top

"That being said, if people would RATHER have that space back for the center column that might be a decision that should have more weight so that we only have a left navigation column and the "center" column on most pages. "

I'd like the option to break the center column into more than one column on the Home page. I'd also be nice to use the vast space below your announcements on the right.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:09pm Top

> 26

Jul 2, 2013, 5:10pm Top

We did test it on other screens. Given the Google stats on monitor usage, and the vote, it's not likely that most members with smaller monitors think the design is ridiculous. However, we are eager to discuss how to make it better for you.

I, however, am heading out for a few hours. I've got my father for dinner tonight—crazy night. I'll be on later.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:11pm Top

94 - " Is there also a lot of complaint about vertical WS?" Yes, some modules have too much white space/padding -- particularly around the images, but also in others. See comments above.

I'm on board for the customizable number of columns idea, as I mentioned above.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:11pm Top

94: I doubt we go to something like that. Dealing with multiple columns in this particular use-case would be a nightmare (reordering, dealing with resizing issues, etc.).

We could make it more responsive to the size of the window so that smaller screens would see a wider center column, hence my comments/questions in #92 above.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:16pm Top

I think that the word "Dashboard" at the top of my dashboard is wasting space. Since the dashboard tab to the left is bolded when I'm on that page, I don't think I need the "Dashboard" heading at the top.

On the old layout, when I went to my homepage I saw a lot more "above the fold" on my screen then I see now. I liked being able to see my recent additions, my library info and the most recent threads I'd posted to all in the same view (in other words, without scrolling). That doesn't seem possible anymore, but maybe I haven't tinkered enough.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:13pm Top

We could make it more responsive to the size of the window so that smaller screens would see a wider center column, hence my comments/questions in #92 above.

It does already change the size somewhat for screen size. But see what he says in 100.

As far as breaking the center column into two columns goes—well, no. But many of the modules are customizable in the number of columns they use.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:14pm Top

Beautiful. I love that I can customize and organize all of the things that I feel are important and hide the rest. I'm really dismayed to see complaints about whitespace, because I finally feel like a can breathe when I see then homepage instead of feeling overwhelmed by all of the close text. Being able to glance and find what I need makes this space much more usable for me.

I'm really thrilled with the redesign so far, and I haven't found anything that I wanted to be able to move that I haven't been able to move so far.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:14pm Top

#100 by conceptDawg> Well, I wasn't thinking you'd try to do anything intelligent with column flow at all. In that sense, I think there's some pain but not nightmare levels. You could actually not have to have much pain in your reordering UI if you didn't worry about it being a WYSIWYG UI and just let them add a "column break" section that they could drag wherever. But no, it wouldn't be trivial.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:16pm Top

Your Recent Reviews is listed under Reviews as well as Books, perhaps the latter should be removed?

Jul 2, 2013, 5:27pm Top

I can't find Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books.
Can someone shine the light? I'ze in the dark.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:28pm Top

On my android tablet using Chrome the top bar is permanently showing and covering up half the page -don't like that at all . typing this in landscape impossible.
Yet on my ancient iPod it's not happening.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:29pm Top

94> Complaining about vertical whitespace here.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:30pm Top

Never mind. I found it. It's on the about you page.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:35pm Top

#108 by lorax> But horizontal, too, as well? You did say "Oodles of whitespace on the left."

FWIW, most websites I visit have oodles of whitespace on the left (and right). It's either that, or stretch the lines to be really long or make multiple columns. Those two alternatives each have serious enough drawbacks that I prefer the left/right whitespace.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:40pm Top

110: It is funny that this is a complaint today considering that Talk has always had even more whitespace on each side. :) I'm not saying it's not a valid complaint, just funny.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:42pm Top

And this is certainly not the end of the line for the new home page or the new design. We will continue to tweak it and fix things. This is a complete redesign of code that is 8 years old. It's actually gone much smoother than I had anticipated.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:44pm Top


Yes, both are a problem. And I don't think that what most sites do is relevant in this case; we're specifically talking about information-dense dashboardy things, like Home once was, and those tend to be more efficient in use of space. (Our setup of JIRA at work, for instance; the dashboards are multi-column. When individual modules are small, and there are a lot of them, it's way more efficient.)

Jul 2, 2013, 5:46pm Top

Is there anyway to dismiss any of the "Top News" items? - for example it is showing the Readathing that ended a couple of weeks ago.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 5:51pm Top

Whoa! :) I need to get used to it. I signed in this morning and it was still the old design, I signed in a few minutes ago and--BAM!-- different! I think I like it.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:48pm Top

111: "110: It is funny that this is a complaint today considering that Talk has always had even more whitespace on each side. :) I'm not saying it's not a valid complaint, just funny."

Sure, but for the home page it's quite a change: from information dense across the whole page to all (well most) info in a single column. On my screen, it definitely means there's less to see on the Home page, and more scrolling to do. Talk only has one section, really. The home page has many modules, so it would be nice to see more of them without scrolling: more like a newspaper and less like a blog.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:49pm Top

#111 by conceptDawg> Yeah, but that's the nature of change. Not only will you notice the new things, you will re-notice a lot of old things and think they are new ones (whether you like them or not).

Jul 2, 2013, 5:49pm Top

114: There will be a way to dismiss news items. We're not QUITE there yet, but very soon.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:50pm Top

Thanks - just a bit disconcerting to see something that is not new:)

Jul 2, 2013, 5:51pm Top

116: Understandable. I think there is still a lot of growing room left on the home page.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:52pm Top

#113 by lorax> Yeah, I use JIRA and Zenoss and a lot of other apps that have multi-column layouts. Of course, I typically use those much differently than I'll be using the Hom page.

To you, it's "information dense". But when we had the discussion about this before, a lot of people felt it was far more distracting to have multiple columns of stuff all over the place. It basically led to never reading much of anything because you couldn't really read "top to bottom". And Tim's statistics bore out that the Home page was infrequently used. Of course, they didn't show WHY it was infrequently used so it was a bit of guesswork based on feedback in those threads, which is inherently a limited subset of all possible opinions.

As I said before, I'm all for them adding a multi-column option because I think people are different enough that they'll always be some percentage that wants it that way.

I do agree about the vertical whitespace, though. Lots of places where it's excessive.

Jul 2, 2013, 5:53pm Top

Removing a module gives me a rude popup saying 'Delete?'. Great.
Can you make that something in the lines of 'You are about to remove module foobar from your dashboard. If you want it back you can find it under 'community' in the left column' ?

Jul 2, 2013, 5:55pm Top

I like it (which is unusual for me; I often react badly to change just because it's change).

Jul 2, 2013, 6:02pm Top

121: Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.
The bottom line is that the old home page wasn't being used and was a problem, particularly among newer members.

We're not done yet.

Jul 2, 2013, 6:03pm Top

It's OK, now I've removed all the things I don't need. But the old design suited me fine.

Jul 2, 2013, 6:14pm Top

At last.

The only thing I don't get is what the word 'dashboard' is doing there.


Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:46pm Top

First impression: I like it! And I will explore all the possibilities tomorrow. *yawn* Time for bed now.

As I'm probably going to remove it tomorrow, it isn't very important, but I noticed that in the "my location" list are a lot of things in Germany, while I live in the middle of the Netherlands. That is definitely NOT nearby. I do realise that distances across the ocean are different, but this really feels strange. It's like showing events in Canada when you live in Texas. Is there any way to change that to a certain limited distance or my favorite book shops or something?

Apparently I can fix that distance thingy myself. I'll try tomorrow.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:50pm Top

I hope you will bring back the multiple columns format. I've re-arranged the modules, but I still find I have to scroll down to access some of my frequently used links. I always start from the homepage when I use LT, so I find it inconvenient. Also, you don't seem to have all of the modules you used to, like recently rated by other members?

Jul 2, 2013, 6:49pm Top

I have to say that I am very pleasantly surprised with the new look of the website. I really like it. Nice job LibraryThing!

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:57pm Top

So I just got home from work, having not been on LT since yesterday, and... wow! I feel totally lost, but I'll figure everything out eventually. Love the color scheme, though--you used my favorite colors! :)

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 6:59pm Top

I just got here for the first time today and was very surprised to see the big change. You can tell a lot of work went into it. Not sure if I like it or not but will investigate options and report back. :-}

Jul 2, 2013, 7:01pm Top

130: The good news is that—other than the home page—nothing has moved. There's no profile tab but it's available by clicking your member name on the top right instead...so still there.

Jul 2, 2013, 7:04pm Top

You made the place look like good reads! Do not want

Jul 2, 2013, 7:22pm Top

I voted undecided because I've never really used the Home page. I always used the Profile page. The new Home page has more functionality for me than the old Home page, but it's still nowhere near as good as the Profile page. In particular, like #30, I'd really like to have my "Currently Reading" books listed, but Tim (#31) seems to be suggesting that this is something that's going to be added to the new Home page shortly?

I'd also like to have my member-gallery primary picture A GOOD DEAL LARGER. (EllisBell is quite retiring, and ActonBell is sweet and accommodating, but I'm CurrerBell and I tend just a slight bit toward self-assertiveness.)

Jul 2, 2013, 7:25pm Top

I agree with The Shadow. I would like LT to keep its identity. Let's face it, that’s why we are here and not there. But, at the same time I think the update does give a lot more power to the user, which has got to trump any small aesthetic identity crisis. :)

Jul 2, 2013, 7:28pm Top

I was satisfied with the old layout, but this one is okay. Not hard to navigate, and I like it much better with "Talk" in the Dashboard. My other few little "not likes" would just be nitpicking since one no longer has to scroll to the bottom of the home page to find "Talk." The size of the book cover doesn't work in one place, the second one, I think. All in all, just looking around and experimenting will answer a lot of questions. I think I've about got it whipped.

About the home page, I didn't realize anyone actually used it that much, anyway. I always check out the new stuff then head for "Talk." There's a lot more to do here than that, but I usually don't have a lot of time.

Love this place!

Jul 2, 2013, 7:40pm Top

I much prefer the layout and colour of the old site. I'm afraid I won't be spending as much time here anymore. Which is a shame, since I used to like just looking at the home page.

I liked how there were two columns in the home page--everything is now spread out (and the text "seems" bigger) and wasting space. The comfortable clutter of the old home page was...friendlier. What is the purpose of having the redundant dashboard on the left?

Please bring back at least the option to keep the old homepage layout (as well as colours/nav. bar). Or to be able to customize to that point.

The colour I admit I could probably get used to ignoring, but it does tend lurk rather obviously in your peripheral vision (and chocolate really does not appeal as a bookish colour--you are supposed to avoid getting the stuff on books...).

Jul 2, 2013, 8:02pm Top

Okay, I'm back from dinner, and ploughing through this.

Jul 2, 2013, 8:04pm Top

There's so much scrolling to do now! Aside from the tiny complaint that everything was once there at a glance and now I have to scroll past a lot of extra white space in places around each module, start/end of a list, or cover view, it looks good. (I loved the information-dense homepage in multiple columns, but I'm sure I'll adjust.) The sudden shock of the new design had me frantically exploring, but I'm taking it surprisingly well for someone who doesn't like change. Good job, guys.

Jul 2, 2013, 8:06pm Top

Where are the hot reviews?

Jul 2, 2013, 8:26pm Top


Look for "Reviews" on the left side menu.

Jul 2, 2013, 8:31pm Top

DASHBOARD title at the top of the Home page seems redundant and uses space.
I'd rather have a 'Search Site' box in that space instead.

Jul 2, 2013, 8:37pm Top

I'm joining the throng (is it a throng yet?) that prefers columns and less scrolling on the home page.

Jul 2, 2013, 8:41pm Top

There is a lot to love in this new design! I have a wide screen and am using firefox and I can navigate and make changes very easily. I also like the color scheme, which happens to be the same as my own website!

The one thing I am misisng is the connections links in the right-hand column -- most similar libraries, interesting libraries, etc. Is there a way for me to put those back onto the front page?

Jul 2, 2013, 9:13pm Top


I don't really understand why anyone would WANT to read the home page "top to bottom", though. That's not what it is or was for. That's like complaining you can't read the phone book top to bottom. I thought it was a dashboard design - to let you see at a glance an overview of available modules, and easily dive deeper into them. Now it doesn't let me see anything at a glance. I suppose if I wanted to regularly carefully read over all the recommendations, and the tagwatch, and my Recently Added, and my top tags, and my collections, then yes, a single column would make that easier. But who does that?

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 9:59pm Top

Mixed feelings so far. I like new features like 'Your Library over time'. But I was one of those who used the old Home page extensively as my main anchor in LT, and I liked the old multi-column format, with my most regularly viewed modules arranged at the top of the columns with plenty of information easily visible with minimal scrolling. So I do find there to be now far too much 'wasted' white space, both horizontally to the right under the official news items, and also vertically, eg between the heading for 'Recently added' and the small size covers/bookshelf (the titles option takes up even more space vertically, so that is not an option).

I also agree that the 'Dashboard' title is redundant and takes up a lot more space unnecessarily.

I miss having the 'Members with your books' on the home page. I eventually found it on the profile page (which I rarely use), and it does not have the option of being added to the dashboard.
edited to add
Then I looked again and found it on the 'About You' page after scrolling further down, and it is possible to add to the dashboard from there, though not from the profile page. It is a little confusing that the same 'module' of information can be found in two places, but the option for adding to dashboard is only available from one. But if this is standard for all info on the 'About You' page versus the profile page, then I guess I will get used to it!

I guess I am trying to customise the new dashboard to look as much like the old Home Page as possible - with only modified success because of the single-column design. But I'll carry on playing with it, and look forward to seeing if there are any new features which I've missed so far.

Jul 2, 2013, 9:34pm Top

A few thoughts:

The new dashboard page feels more customizable and I like the way I've set it up. I also particularly like the about you page which gathers information that I formerly found on the profile page in what feels to me a more accessible manner.

I don't mind the overall verticality as my MacBook touchpad makes scrolling really easy.

I think I would like to have modules set off from each other a bit more than I get from the grey title bars. One problem with fast scrolling is you need strong visual cues to know where to stop.

The freely editable Quick Links module is great but there's way too much white space. There needs to be some option for having more than one link per line.

In Connection News the cover pictures do not fill the space created for each entry. Either the covers should be bigger or the entries could be made smaller by putting the member name reviewed, stars and the link to the review all on one line.

I love the publication date filter for the resurrected Tag Watch (I hope this is a sign publication dates can be integrated into other features as well ... nudge, nudge). I'd also like to have a way to filter out books in my catalog. I also feel that that module could be tightened up visually.

There's something wrong with the Local Events module. I'm not quite sure what it is displaying, but it's not the events list found on my local page and I would think they should be the same. And while I'm on this feature, the text filters for local events have always been impossibly buried (profile page->edit profile->local). There should be easier access to the filter settings from both the main local page and the home page events module.

I like the quick summary and access to the Helpers pages but I don't like the listing of my rank. It feels too competitive. I know I could always work it out from the helpers lists, but that felt more like a simple display of information, not like, well, a competitive ranking. Also, I think it would be natural to have a module for badges in this section.

Overall, job well done.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 9:54pm Top

By the way, I don't see the change in color scheme that everyone is talking about. No chocolate. Just salmon. I don't really consider it a bug, so I am reporting it here.

Safari 6.05 MacOS 10.7.5


ETA: Never mind. Now that I have selected "new design" I see everything the way it should be. Sorry!

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 9:49pm Top

Moved to correct thread

Jul 2, 2013, 9:46pm Top

101, rocketjk> On the old layout, when I went to my homepage I saw a lot more "above the fold" on my screen then I see now.

Yes, this.

It doesn't help that I have a big "Dashboard" and then blank space followed by "No module yet", then my books info, but below that is Recently Added, and it feels so much more sprawling and less cozy than before. I guess I'll get used to it, but I'm not crazy about the sprawling feel.

Changing from Medium covers to Small covers just makes the problem worse. It's like there's too much space between the images and they go too far across the page.

I also really miss having my Early Reviewer stuff on the top of the right column (under the last 2 blog posts). When it was showing (it's broken now), it took up so much space on the top of the middle section, and it doesn't really need to. I don't want it to be my main info, first thing I see every time I log into LT, but I don't want to have to scroll around searching for it. Having it on the top right was perfect.

On the whole, I'm not dissatisfied, but I'm not truly satisfied, either. The organization part (adding, removing modules) is a little bit confusing, and my eyes feel weary when looking it over in a way that they didn't before. (Possibly the fault of the horrible topnav that doesn't scroll away, which I'm beginning to loathe, despite loving it at first glance.)

Why is the fontface for the Talk module different than the rest of the page?!?!?!

Jul 2, 2013, 9:51pm Top

Love being able to search my books right from the home page.

Jul 2, 2013, 9:52pm Top

151> That's always been there :P


What on earth does "Show per column" mean in the Early Reviewers module? It doesn't change anything when I change the number.

Jul 2, 2013, 9:58pm Top

I don't find it touch-screen friendly. I can't figure out how to reorder on my iPad. I see the reorder buttton, but it doesn't do anything. Also several other links don't work - like in "your library over time."

I think hot reviews should be default on the dashboard...otherwise they will cease to be hot.

I'm not crazy about the overall design, at least the default. It's still too much not-interesting information...so much information, and and yet not much of day-to-day interest...the kind of information that will lead me to look at the home page.

I do like that we can change things, and I do like having access to my feed, which I didn't know existed.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 10:24pm Top

I also don't find it touch-screen friendly (though on the laptop I think it's lovely -- "Dashboard" isn't too big for me, the color scheme is calming, and the whitespace is just right for my resolution). In particular, I couldn't see how to add, remove, etc. the modules when I was using a touchscreen device (which is how I first entered the redesigned Home today). Full touch access is important, and I can only see it getting more important as time goes on. (Though I want to add that the way the header floats seems like it will help a lot on touch devices, so I'm excited to experiment more with that.)

You could also add me to the chorus of people who liked the information-dense screen we had available before. I wonder if this redesign wouldn't be benefit substantially from some formal usability testing? (I suggest that because I'm quite willing to believe that those of us who bother to come to this thread and complain are a very specific subset of users, quite possibly not the subset of users that this redesign is supposed to benefit -- it would be nice to have some good information about who likes and who benefits from the redesign most, so you can compare it with your goals.)

Added: The first few times I clicked "Reorder" on the Home page, I clicked on the left-hand side of the navigation bar, and was brought to random pages. I finally realized I couldn't click on the name of the module -- I had to click on the bar itself. This was very non-intuitive for me; it makes more sense to me that in the "Reorder" view, the user can only reorder things (e.g., the module titles would not be active links in that view).

Jul 2, 2013, 10:25pm Top

OK, if I set "Recently Added" to "titles" why the heck can I only change the number of "shelves" it shows? That makes no sense at all.

Jul 2, 2013, 10:37pm Top


Jul 2, 2013, 10:39pm Top

Happy, happy, happy! I love that the "Your Books" box at the top of the dashboard will take me directly to:
4,325 books | 18 collections | 522 tags | 1,885 authors | 46 reviews | 534 ratings, or search my catalogue. Everything I need right there.

Jul 2, 2013, 10:41pm Top

The more "touch screen friendly" is simply the top navigation bar and the "Home Profile Connections Recommendations Reviews Stats/Memes Clouds Authors" second level nav bar on the profile page. Those are FAR FAR more touch screen friendly than the old tabs and links.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 10:53pm Top

I think lorax and I have much the same reaction to the page. At any rate, I'm also missing the "at a glance" nature of the previous home page. I did find the old version a little *too* busy, but this one feels like we took everything in the left hand column and s t r e t c h e d it horizontally and vertically. So while the new page is more customizable and has some cool new stuff (very good), the single-column and heavily padded layout of the page makes it less easy to use as a base page with quick info.

Does anyone have a screen shot of the old page?

I'm trying to think how I used the old one (which I didn't use much but tended to glance at quickly before going somewhere else). What I did glance at quickly, were LT announcements, automatic and member recommendations, recent talk posts, and and LTER -- and I also used the search box to search my own books. Some portion of all of those was generally visible "before the fold."

Right now, for instance, even if I condense modules as much as possible, e.g. switch to a smaller number of recommendations and make them text, not images, I can't get much before the fold. Site announcements and one to two modules at most.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 10:57pm Top

>102 timspalding: "As far as breaking the center column into two columns goes—well, no. But many of the modules are customizable in the number of columns they use."

Do the modules allow users to customize the number of columns? I haven't seen that option in the settings pop-up for any of them. For "Recent Automatic Recommendations", "Recent Member Recommendations", & "Recently Added" I would love two columns for Title view. The covers view is too busy/cluttering and the titles view uses too much vertical space. (I only showed 3 each of auto/member recs & liked having them next to each other in the old home page).

Or, what >155 AnnaClaire: said :)

>145 lorax: For me, having all the modules in one column is SO MUCH EASIER to glance over. The multi-column format was too dense and my brain kept trying to read side-by-side modules right to left as one entity. I much prefer the one column view. The way I have rearranged my modules allows me to see the same number of of modules "above the fold" and I am happy to put "Hot Reviews" front and center where I will see it, rather than crammed into a hidden space down right.

On my wide-screen laptop the amount of white space right & left is just right.

>62 SuziQoregon: I cannot find a way to make the local events section on my dashboard show only those at the locations I've starred as my favorites. I can filter down to that on the Local tab but I don't see a way to do that on the dashboard module.

I don't think this was possible previously. I live in Brooklyn, NY and frequently checked the Local module on my homepage because it's going to take me YEARS to hide events from all the non-NYC bookstores/libraries in Jersey that are within the distance radius that covers Brooklyn/Manhattan. That said, I would love for the Local module on the homepage to have a "show favorites" option!

Also, I like the new colors/new look!

Jul 2, 2013, 10:58pm Top

Would it be possible to include the coloured check-marks on the tag watch covers like the "Top wishlisted books", etc?

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:00pm Top

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Jul 2, 2013, 11:03pm Top

I like it.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:07pm Top

I love the "Your Library Over Time". I set it to only show my "To Read" books. Yikes!! I can see in graph form now what i never really wanted to know! :)

*pulls out sunglasses to ward off the high contrast with the new color scheme*

*enjoys playing around with the Home Page and only putting features on it that I want*

Any chance we could have some way of rearranging the pictures in our gallery so we can pick and choose which pictures we want to show up on our home page or profile page?

Jul 2, 2013, 11:19pm Top

I'm another one that wants the Early reviewer stuff back in an easy to find location (not the bottom of the page like legal fine print). Other than that, I like the new design.

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:25pm Top

I do, however, like seeing my recent additions in shelf form, as well as the--idea, at least--of the tag watch.

Could we get the recommendations put in the same area (SxS), as they were?

I also second (third, fourth, whatever) getting the early reviewer and member give-away info in an easy location (in the news area).

Jul 2, 2013, 11:27pm Top

I removed the Recent books I added - I know where to find that if I need it.

I would like the activities of others back; I used that to see what people were doing.

I would like a return to the Author birthrates as before; I don't want just authors I own - seeing people I'd never heard of, or being reminded of other authors was interesting to me - I checked it every morning. This version does not give me much.

The whole pages looks spiraled; I liked the tighter arrangement of the old page. I could find things on it with a little scrolling. Even the text versions of the new page seem to take up more space.

Jul 2, 2013, 11:40pm Top

Being able to remove modules from any section would be great, any chance of this happening?

Edited: Jul 2, 2013, 11:44pm Top

I would like a return to the Author birthrates as before; I don't want just authors I own - seeing people I'd never heard of, or being reminded of other authors was interesting to me - I checked it every morning. This version does not give me much.

It is depressing to be attacked for a feature that is so clearly better:

1. Before the authors were whatever fit, with no sorting whatever. So you got the first 20 authors by date, irrespective of their popularity. Now it chooses the most popular authors that fit the space you asked it to fill.

2. The new one does in fact default to giving a boost to authors you have, and authors similar to your authors. You can turn that off if you like.

3. The new one allows you to see all the data for a day by clicking a link. Before you had to change your settings.

Here are the settings:

Jul 2, 2013, 11:51pm Top

Just got in and haven't read everything; brief thoughts:

Holy scrolling. So little information visible at a time. Even shrinking covers doesn't actually seem to decrease the vertical space that a module takes up (for Recently Added, anyway); it just adds white space.

This isn't what I thought "homepage" would mean: multiple different sub-pages. Is there a way to add the mix of modules that we want to the dashboard? If so, it's not at all intuitive.

Jul 2, 2013, 11:51pm Top

Why is the access to everything oh so slow?

Jul 3, 2013, 12:25am Top

171>> It seems that we have definite flexibility in adding and removing modules, Zoe, but it's going to take us all a little experimentation. Go over to all those links on the left and you'll see various modules that you can click on Add to Dashboard to add to the Dashboard. And you can very easily remove modules from the Dashboard by clicking on Remove in the module as it appears on the Dashboard.

Problem I have is that I can't succeed to reordering the modules on the Dashboard. I click on Reorder which collapses the modules and gives me instructions to click-and-drag to reorder the modules, but I don't have any success with my click-and-drag reordering attempts.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:31am Top

173 CurrerBell, I found that feature worked for me and I reorganised the sequence of the modules to suit myself.

This is a great improvement on the old layout. Much more user friendly.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 12:45am Top

I agree with 42. The way it was worked fine for me. I don't need any more. Can I get the old one back, please?

Jul 3, 2013, 12:49am Top

Is there a way to add the mix of modules that we want to the dashboard? If so, it's not at all intuitive.


Jul 3, 2013, 12:49am Top

>173 CurrerBell:

Are you reordering on the old design? I can't figure out why it's failing for you.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 1:13am Top

Like the changes so far. Many improvements.

Could we have again local time for the time stamp? Thank you.

ETA: Local time shows in the home page (Talk) but not on the original post.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 1:19am Top

First impression: looks good. Will take some adjusting, getting used to, etc.

Took me a while to find "Tag watch", but I have now added it to "Dashboard". Question: would it be possible to filter out your own use of such tags there. It's not a huge thing, and I'll live if it cant be helped, but it seems odd to be pointed to your own entries.

ETA: Off to explore some more.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:23am Top

Overall I think the redesign is an improvement. Well done!

  • Customizability FTW

  • I like the Helpings tab. Very useful.

  • Your Library over time: good idea!

  • I don't mind the three columns layout. Feels pretty standard to me.

I have to agree with a number of complaints, though:

  • The title "Dashboard" takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'm in favour of having it removed.

  • Too much whitespace around "Recently Added" covers, even on small or very small.

  • Clicking to removing a module triggers a popup that calls it "delete?". Might be confusing for new users. Perhaps a better way of phrasing it would be "Remove from this page? This module will still be available from either the X page or the Unused page."

Several of these deal with having to scroll down on the dashboard to check information that should be at-a-glance.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:25am Top

The title "Dashboard" takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'm in favour of having it removed.

If we did, people would complain that they didn't know where they were.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:25am Top

Clicking to removing a module triggers a popup that calls it "delete?".

It should be "remove?" now.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 1:30am Top

>171 _Zoe_:

From the menu to the left you can access a bunch of modules dealing with Yours, About You, Connection News etc. Hovering over the title bar of a module will bring up a menu that allows you to add it to the Dashboard and change its settings.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:26am Top

>182 timspalding:
It does. Thanks!

Jul 3, 2013, 1:35am Top

I'm seeing a general problem that people aren't noticing that they can add, remove, edit and reorder modules. I find this hard to understand insofar as you get the icons is you're almost anywhere on the page. Still, it's happening. Should the icons be visible at all times on all modules?

Jul 3, 2013, 1:37am Top


Jul 3, 2013, 1:43am Top

Oh, by the way, I made it so that you can change the number of titles shown in the title/shelf sections, like recommendations. So you can show 20 titles or 5.

I also made it so that you can make one section covers and another titles. That feature was only partially done before.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:47am Top

177>> I don't know. Maybe that's the problem. I think I may have clicked something that I shouldn't have. How do I get back to the new design? I don't see any link to accomplish this.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:53am Top

In the talk module on the "dashboard" (ugh, I hate that word), could we have the option to show "your groups and posts" like on the Talk screen?

(Outside of monetary incentives, I can think of no better way to make me spend more time on the homepage than allowing this option!)

Jul 3, 2013, 1:57am Top

I'd like it if the modules only appeared once. For instance, I have moved Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books to Home from About You, but it still shows up on About You. When I move it, I want it to GO.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:06am Top

>190 Collectorator: Whereas I'd like it to stay in both places. It would be nice if there was a remove link in the headers on the home pages, so if there were some (or all) that you only wanted on the dashboard, you could make that happen.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:15am Top

191, yes, maybe a "remove from view?" clickie that would make the dupes poof.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:50am Top

If you have a module with books (like recommendations, hot, what other members are reading) and you choose titles as a display style (because other people's covers don't tell me much), it is displayed in one collumn on my widescreen. Can you make it so that if there is room, it is displayed in two collumns, making use of the white space?

Jul 3, 2013, 3:05am Top

Re 185, the mouse-over pop-up options for reorder-remove-settings at the end of each Section 'bar' would probably do as well if they were set visible permanently. The added 'screen clutter' is minimal, whereas the constant appearance/disappearance of them as you move the mouse around is sort of (minimally I agree) distracting. There's also the confusion (in the hand if not the head) about exactly where the option 'label' is while you are dragging the mouse pointer across to engage one of the options - it just takes an extra neuron or two to watch for the pop up, register the correct location and move the mouse to the exact location. Pop-ups are very 'cool' but I wonder if the ergonomics support their use. Apart from that, it's mostly a very big plus.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 4:21am Top

>181 timspalding:

The title "Dashboard" takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'm in favour of having it removed.

If we did, people would complain that they didn't know where they were.

The "Dashboard" link on the left-hand column is highlighted when you are on that page. To me, that seems sufficient, but I haven't made a study of these issues.

Jul 3, 2013, 4:37am Top

Where are all the settings etc saved? Are they local, or on LT (eg how much do I have to re-set them between different computers, or can I have a mobile version and a PC version differently?)

"Unused" probably needs tobe re-named!

#187 "Oh, by the way, I made it so that you can change the number of titles shown in the title/shelf sections, like recommendations. So you can show 20 titles or 5. "
Is it on all shelves? because it ought to be. I want different lengths of shleves in different places.

"Add to Dashboard" It makes a lot more sense to me to be able to add things to thte Dashboard, from the Dashboard. Ie a checklist of all available modules, turn on or off as desired. Currently if you don't know something is there, or where it is, you can't add it.

"reorder" not intuative that clicking any re-order allows you to re-order all of them, again this should probably be a main Dashboard only header.

I'm sure I'll think of more. Generally I guess I like it.

Jul 3, 2013, 4:46am Top

I'm still exploring and playing with the modules and I like a lot the new design for its customizability. The tag watch is a nice addition but I'd like, as BarkingMatt, to filter out the owned books. I really like "Your Library Over Time" and the new settings for "On this Day".
I've only a tiny graphical complaint: the words in the top bar (Home, your books etc.) look blurred.
Overall it's a good improvement.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:22am Top

Since everyone is talking about tag watch and it apparently now works ... what is it and where do I find it?

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 5:28am Top

Noting that the 'Quick Links' Section (scarcely mentioned anywhere) isn't just for URL links, but also allows plain text entry without nominating a URL. Which means that I can put some (as many and as large as I want) profile type statements in there. Along with links to facebook pages, email addresses, etc. Makes me wonder if I'm close to the point where the profile page (for me) becomes redundant. The 'Home' page is already a better tool for me than the old 'Profile' because on the new 'Home' I can scroll back (endlessly) my recently added books.

Although it would be nice if I could set a default to load links as a new tab (in my browser) rather than (as it does) leaving the LT page.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:59am Top

199, but we see your profile page, and no one but you sees your home page.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:20am Top

I'm just adjusting to changes - on the whole, I'm probably going to like them. I like being able to customise things!

However I'm not thrilled about the amount of white space between/within the modules. For instance there's a large gap between the heading "recently added" and the actual covers of my recently added books, and then another gap between those covers and the next module. It doesn't seem quite as bad for the recent recommendations (perhaps because I've set those covers so they show up larger?) but there is still unnecessary white space. This really limits how many modules one can see without having to scroll down. I'd like to be able to see more in one glance.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:25am Top

> 198: It's in Home - Discover - Books.

You type in the tags you would like to watch, separated by commas, and it brings up titles that have been so tagged. I try to choose fairly specific tags - something like "fiction" will bring up way too many results. But to each his/her own of course.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:36am Top

Here : http://www.librarything.fr/home#books : "Tag watch" allows you to watch for the latest books tagged with keywords you provide (i.e. fiction, books on books, history). Results are refreshed nightly." is not available for translation.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:50am Top

Re 200 re 199: Yes the home page is private, but I give a couple of friends access to it in case I pop my clogs - although they are well behaved enough not to wreck it. And it lets me create links in 'Quick Links' Section on the private 'Home' page that I wouldn't be inclined to share on the public 'Profile' page.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:56am Top

"Add to dashboard" in the "your feed" http://www.librarything.de/home#yourfeed view is also non-translatable.

Other than that, I was just going "Argh! Confusion!" when I opened the website today --I was completely taken by surprise (I am not around that often). I'll have to look around a bit first :-).

Jul 3, 2013, 6:57am Top

204, gotcha.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:25am Top

> 7 I like the covers, but do agree with ScarletBea. For me the standard size is too big too. I tried medium, but finally opted for small. That also makes the 'more than 1 row of 'recently added books''-option a lot more interesting.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:26am Top

My first overall impression is that I LIKE it.
Will have to explore to give a more founded reaction though.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:31am Top

Is it possible to have the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" show only the covers for which I have an Amazon-cover? It would be easy to change all the covers to member-uploaded covers more quickly :) Though I only have a bit more than 100 Amazon-covers left so I can replace those by hand of course.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:35am Top

209> I'd like that.
And by the way, how can I find out if I've got a member-uploaded or an Amazon cover?

Jul 3, 2013, 7:36am Top

I thought I was on the wrong page.
Did I mention I don't really like change?
But I will check it out before i freak out.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 7:39am Top

210: In the statistics there's a page for the book covers, here: http://www.librarything.com/profile/scarletbea/stats/covers (for your library).

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 8:01am Top

>181 timspalding: It seems odd to be told where we are twice (the left & at the top).

It would take time to get us re-trained (and some people will always complain), but if the page title on the left was twice as big (or at least the same size as the title page at the top) and the same red color as the little block on the left, hopefully we'd get used to looking there.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:48am Top

202 > Thank you

Jul 3, 2013, 7:50am Top


That was always there.

Jul 3, 2013, 7:53am Top

It's baffling to me that so many people are excited about things that were always present in the old Home page. I guess people really didn't use it much!

Jul 3, 2013, 8:00am Top

In the "Recently added module", if one chooses multiple rows, there's way too much whitespace between the rows, at least with smaller cover sizes.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:14am Top

>187 timspalding: Yay! Thank you!

And when you have a moment can the option to choose the nember of titles shown also be added to the "recently added" module?

Jul 3, 2013, 8:25am Top

I LOVE how customizable it is. I'm still playing around with what's available and moving modules to my dashboard, and still discovering what's available.

I am finding that I have too much on my dashboard and have to scroll down to find things I'd like to have nearer the top. For that reason, I'd love to be able to have more than one column of text (i.e., use the right side for something).

I agree with the person who said Hot Reviews should be on the dashboard by default because otherwise they will stop being hot!

Having said all that, I'm a person who rarely went to the home page. Maybe now that I can customize it I'll go there more; maybe not. Time will tell.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:28am Top

I think having Hot Reviews stop being hot would make me actually look at them more. If it's just self-reinforcing there's little point.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:40am Top

Was that a surprise! I love it because it seems to load much faster on my old pc, even though there seem to be more graphics. I can't find the ER or Member giveaways yet, but I'll do some more exploring.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 8:43am Top

>216 lorax:
You must have seen it on T.V. Add some new curtains to your front room, chop and change your old furniture about a bit, add a few scatter cushions, some tasteful new art pieces here and there, and it feels like your home has just had a full makeover. ;)

Jul 3, 2013, 8:50am Top

I like the uncluttered look; it's easy to use and modify. Being able to select covers/titles etc. makes it work for me.

Adding the dates I posted books is a bonus.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:58am Top

I miss the ability to relegate some modules to the right column.
Don't mind the colors, but it will take some getting used to over time, just as the "orange" did.

Still poking it with my long stick. :)

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 9:13am Top

Okay, so after playing around with stuff, I'm back to give a final opinion:

I love it. It is PERFECT!

ETA: I really love how the new dashboard has let me rediscover features I knew existed but had forgotten about. Also, the quick links box is genius.

ETA2: It even looks good on my lousy work laptop, which is saying a lot, because I can't control any of the graphics/screen settings except brightness.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:09am Top

After playing with the home page for a while, I see how nice it really is. I love that the right column is the latest LT news feed and the large main column is my own most interesting and (maybe even more important...) fun content. The way I've set up my new home page feels just right for me.

Thanks for all the options, Tim.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:15am Top

>221 bookwoman247:
From the Home page, look to the left, Under Discover, you will see Books.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:19am Top

#219 I LOVE how customizable it is. Whereas I'm somewhat unhappy because it feels less customisable than before, to me - since I used the home page heavily and had it arranged just how I liked it, using right column and central column to keep modules of most interest 'above the fold'.

But I love some of the new/revived features - like tag watch and the visual of my library over time, and the newly added member covers etc. I just wish we could have had these with the old structure of the home page.

I might find I use the home page less now, because there will be too much scrolling up and down to find things - it will become less of a one-stop-shop than before because of the single long column hiding too much out of sight.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:21am Top

I agree with reading_fox about being able to add things to the dashboard *from* the dashboard. That's how the previous homepage worked: you could see a list of all the options available, and check or uncheck them there. Going to another page to do it is (more or less) fine once you know to do it, but it's not intuitive based on the earlier design. I also found it somewhat annoying that whenever I added something from another section to the dashboard, I was taken away from the page I was looking at, so that I couldn't add multiple sections at a time. But that's done now, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm moderately happy with the whole. I think my biggest problem at the moment is the fact that we have to choose between either covers or titles for most of the book modules (recommendations, Hot This Month, etc.). Why can't we have visuals and information at the same time?

The format encourages a different type of use than the old homepage, though. "Dashboard" hardly seems like the right word anymore; it's basically just a feed. I ended up eliminating all of the things that I might just want to glance at periodically (including some that I had quite liked), which basically meant everything that was fairly static or based on my own actions: My books, recently added, even Early Reviewers because we get message notifications about that. I left/added only things that I'd want to look at fairly thoroughly and that would update based on other people's activity: tag watch, automatic and member recommendations, Hot This Month, etc.

On the one hand, this is fine; it's a nice feed, I'll look at it, and I can find the other stuff in the subpages if necessary.

On the other hand, it was convenient to have a page with easy access to a bunch of different information—information that might not change all the time, that we might not want to review thoroughly every time we visited the page, but that we still wanted to get at quickly when we needed it. That's now largely lost. Lots of vertical scrolling works for when you want to go through everything on the page in order, but it doesn't work so much when you just want to get quickly to one particular section.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:24am Top


Jul 3, 2013, 9:32am Top

What is the "Unused" for? http://www.librarything.com/home#unused
It also says "Junk drawer" but there's nothing in there, so it's not very clear to me what it does...

Jul 3, 2013, 9:32am Top

229> On the other hand, it was convenient to have a page with easy access to a bunch of different information—information that might not change all the time, that we might not want to review thoroughly every time we visited the page, but that we still wanted to get at quickly when we needed it. That's now largely lost. Lots of vertical scrolling works for when you want to go through everything on the page in order, but it doesn't work so much when you just want to get quickly to one particular section.

Yes, this is how I'm feeling about a lot of the dashboard page.

I liked having my recently added books at the top, easy to see at a glance. My recently added books are the ones I'm most likely to want to edit details on, because I'm probably reading them. But I also had the Talk threads right below, and could see the first five or so on the screen - with the blog posts and Early Reviewer to the right so that I wouldn't have to dig for them when I wanted them.

Now I have to choose, and the broken module at the top that won't go away is making things worse.

I suppose I like it, or I'll get used to it, but it just doesn't feel as useful as it was before. I do like that I can add some Helper things to the dashboard, except that just as with Talk, the font is so different that it looks weird and I didn't like it, so I took it off for now.

(Why are the fonts and sizing different in some of the modules? Why can't we change the Helpers sizing/display?)

Jul 3, 2013, 9:35am Top

>231 mene: "Unused" is where modules go when they aren't on any of the other pages.

"Junk Drawer" is a photo album you can upload photos to that you don't want in your "member gallery". It's not displayed on your profile like the member gallery is. Some people use it, some people don't.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:37am Top

I'm sorry about the various bugs, especially missing columns.

It appears that the new design was slipped into some older versions of files. We're working on it.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:44am Top

Jul 3, 2013, 9:47am Top

Tim, I'm loving the new design as is, though! I've found the ER books, and the most important thing to me is how it loads. It's wonderful!

Jul 3, 2013, 9:58am Top


"Dashboard" hardly seems like the right word anymore; it's basically just a feed.

This. At least it's a Tag Watch feed, which is a huge gain, but it's no longer a one-stop shop for convenient access to nifty information for me.

(And also, what you say about vertical scrolling - there are places where a single-column layout makes sense, when people want to read everything top to bottom. But as I asked before, is that really what most people wanted to do with their home page?)

Jul 3, 2013, 10:00am Top

Tim: Maybe just turn on the reorder/etc. hover buttons without hovering for a short period? Like maybe for a month or so. I think that'd give people time to adjust who are just getting too much change at once. After that period, you could set them back to hover-only and new users would probably not be as thrown off.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:03am Top

Tim: I think having "Dashboard" on the dashboard might be one of those "hobgoblin" consistencies you hate so much. Yeah, it's utterly consistent but is it really as appropriate for the part of the Home page that is intended to be where you are at on it 99% of the time? I think maybe it could be not shown JUST on the Dashboard. The other sections could still show there's. I think it's a good tradeoff of consistency for readability.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:03am Top

Tim, I like the new design. It works (for me at least) on both my 8.9 inch Kindle Fire (Silk browser) as well as on both laptop and desk top (most recent versions of Chrome and Firefox). One thing that did get moved though are the links to the two LT blogs that used to be in the right most column near the top. I apologize if you did in fact answer this already above and I missed it, but I'd love to know where the blogs went. (I do read those on a periodic basis just to make sure I know what's happening generally.) Thanks.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:06am Top

Oh, and apparently "Dashboard" itself is a term that is far more "tech-y" than I realized. How about "Main" instead? It's a bit flavorless, but perhaps not as confusing.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:11am Top

Thanks so much for adding partial titles/author names to the blank cover images on the home page. Now our library users (and myself, the cataloger) won't have to click on those images to identify the books. A big improvement!

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 10:14am Top

Maybe just turn on the reorder/etc. hover buttons without hovering for a short period? Like maybe for a month or so. I think that'd give people time to adjust who are just getting too much change at once. After that period, you could set them back to hover-only and new users would probably not be as thrown off.

Yeah. I've done that as of now.

Thanks so much for adding partial titles/author names to the blank cover images on the home page

Yeah. Thanks. I should have listed it among the improvements. There are a lot of similar ones.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:21am Top

Or maybe "Customized" instead of "Dashboard". That actually imparts that this is the view that you tweak and the others are static. Of course, the "Add to dashboard" buttons probably look better as "Add to Main" than "Add to Customized"...

Jul 3, 2013, 10:37am Top

I love the new home page/dashboard! It's so nice to be able to get the content I want instead of all the stuff I don't care about.

One small fear I had with this upgrade is if it would take a long time to load on my very slow dial-up connection. (New and improved always seems to mean "high speed internet required".) Well, with the except of the Member's Uploaded Covers module, every thing loads quickly. And that module only takes a few extra seconds.

Thank you LibraryThing staff!!!

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 10:49am Top

Several: The title "Dashboard" takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'm in favour of having it removed.

If we did, people would complain that they didn't know where they were.

Like they would if you removed the Profile link?

I see the use of the other headings, but the Dashboard, nah. You click on Home, you arrive at the dashboard, always. there's the Dashboard at the leftnav. Seems clear enough.


I see the reorder/remove/settings are no longer only on mouseover. I was about to suggest a low contrast look, and only change it to high contrast when on mouseover.


I didn't use Home much, and don't see an immediate increase in the near future with the redesign.

That said, the organisational structure is definitely better than the previous version, plus there are some nice and cool new modules. I like the covers uploaded for your books and the graph of your library looks cool.


What I don't like is the fixed menu at the top of the new design. I know I'm on LT, and I can hit Ctrl+Home or a few PgUps to get to the top to access those items. I've also got a back button or z (in opera) or alt+left to go back to where I came from. It's just not necessary.


btw, this is msg 207, is it time for a new page or do tptb prefer one big page for this sort of feedback?

eta: lol, should've refreshed before posting :)
it's now 246

Jul 3, 2013, 10:49am Top

Tim: A suggestion that might help a lot of people - How about if you add an "All" subsection that just has ALL of the widgets on it? It can be hard to find them. Either that or some sort of jumplist that just has an index of all of them and clicking on one name takes you to the appropriate section. But "All" is probably easier to design and implement.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:50am Top

Yes, thank you for all your hard work, LibraryThing staff! You certainly make having a membership worth it!

Jul 3, 2013, 10:51am Top

A note: After some grumbling I ended up moving "Recently added" to the bottom of my dashboard. It's one of the most useful modules for me, but it generates so much vertical whitespace I just can't justify having it at the top; "at the bottom" is oddly the next most easily found spot, so that's where it will have to live. Without that there the overall look, while still inferior to the old version, is less overwhelmingly empty.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:55am Top

If the thread is restarted, we REALLY need a FAQ and recap in the first post. And especially a really good, strong delineation on which part is the Home changes and which are the "Design" changes.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:57am Top

Oh, and Tim, casvelyn mentioned in the design thread something that I think is a good thing to think about:

What if you renamed the top nav bar "Home" to "You"? You'd still keep the second level nav bar showing:
"Home | Profile | Connections, etc."

I think it makes a lot of sense, because as she pointed out, it's really the location for all the stuff that's about YOU.

Even if it doesn't immediately strike you, just think about it for a while. It might grow on you.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:01am Top

>251 brightcopy: Plus, "You" would look nice next to "Your Books"

Jul 3, 2013, 11:03am Top

Is there somebody working on the translation of the items into Dutch?

Jul 3, 2013, 11:04am Top

>251 brightcopy: I did? (I agree, I just don't remember saying it.)

I'm wondering if it would be possible to set it up so we can dismiss recommendations we don't like from the Dashboard instead of clicking through to the Recommendations page? I'm thinking some sort of "Add to... (choose collection)" or "Save for later" that comes up in a mouseover menu or by clicking on the cover image. (Alternately, can there be cover pictures on the Recommendations page? Honestly, I didn't realize how much cover art catches my eye until this redesign put covers all over the home page.)

Jul 3, 2013, 11:21am Top

btw, this new home design sure is adding a lot of traffic to Talk..

Jul 3, 2013, 11:22am Top

Can there ever be one thing on the internet that I like, that works perfectly well already, that doesn't have to be "improved"? I think I'm just going to go back to keeping a notebook of books.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:24am Top

I couldn't begin to count the number of times I have said exactly that!

Jul 3, 2013, 11:26am Top

It's not the internet, it's life. Life is change.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:28am Top

Ooooh, on my wide-screen work monitor, the home page STILL looks good to me. And I love that the "Hot Reviews" module has three columns on the wider screen, whereas on my laptop it I think it only shows two columns. Maybe this is why i am less bothered by "white space" than others, because the most text heavy module "above the fold" adds more information with a wider screen?

Jul 3, 2013, 11:28am Top

I don't really think the homepage is about "You". Some of the modules are, but you can easily choose a different direction as well.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:29am Top


Possibly. I don't use Hot Reviews, so I couldn't comment, but I'm a bit baffled because there's only one column to be used. Help? Do you mean the Hot Reviews split into three sub-columns within the single-column layout of New Home?

Jul 3, 2013, 11:29am Top

#260 by _Zoe_> It's YOUR homepage, set up like YOU want it. It's not anyone else's. And no one else can see it, only YOU.

But I get what you're saying. It's not as directly obvious as everything else in the second level nav bar that shows up when you click the top-level Home.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:38am Top

Wow, the new tweaks look great! Very visually appealing!! :)

Jul 3, 2013, 11:38am Top

That's the same thing as people using the phrase "life isn't fair" to excuse bad behavior of people. I appreciate that life is constantly in flux, but things designed and kept up by humans don't necessarily have to be changed constantly. It would be nice that while having to deal with changes like rises in rent or a local beach becoming polluted, I could have one small thing that wasn't arbitrarily "improved".
Furthermore, if I were using this service for free, I would have less of a reason to complain. However, I did pay to be a lifetime member, and I don't remember getting an heads up or solicitation of members opinions.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:41am Top

I agree that Dashboard (and other headers) should be removed from the vertical space, especially since it's still listed on the side.

And the heads could be highlighted to make it more obvious which one is currently being displayed.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:41am Top

>262 brightcopy: Right, but you could say the same for Talk :). My Talk page only shows the groups that I joined. Other people's Talk pages are different, even though they can draw on many of the same sources (not all—some groups are private).

Jul 3, 2013, 11:47am Top

cblaker we were give heads ups in Talk, and some user input was solicited as well.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 11:50am Top

>260 _Zoe_: Yes, the "Hot Reviews" module displays reviews in columns. I think my laptop displays two reviews across and "x" reviews down (I have set x=2). My wide-screen work computer shows three columns of reviews:


ETA: edited several times due to not-enough-coffee-induced-stupidity.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:52am Top

re: 190, 191, 192

I also asked for the ability to remove/hide modules from other sections...

Jul 3, 2013, 11:55am Top

Zoe said, in 229
"On the other hand, it was convenient to have a page with easy access to a bunch of different information—information that might not change all the time, that we might not want to review thoroughly every time we visited the page, but that we still wanted to get at quickly when we needed it. That's now largely lost. Lots of vertical scrolling works for when you want to go through everything on the page in order, but it doesn't work so much when you just want to get quickly to one particular section."

This describes a lot of my disquiet about the changes. I use the Home page a lot; the column format made it possible to put things I wanted to see every day where I could see them without scrolling. Now I can't do that. I use text, not covers, so I could use the space to better advantage with columns.

Many people seem to like all the cover images - to each his own. I appreciate the choice to not see them on my Dashboard. I'd just like to take advantage of the space for text. It seems possible that the no user columns design is driven by the need of space for covers. Is it possible to give us text people the ability to put our modules in columns so more can be seen at once?

Jul 3, 2013, 11:57am Top

#264 by cblaker> There have been lots of heads up and solicitation of members opinions. They've all happened in the Talk About LibraryThing group. If you don't participate in that group, though, I can see how you'd feel left out. A lot of other LT-related stuff goes on there. Perhaps there should be another group that is JUST focused on posts from the staff asking for input about design changes, and everyone should have it added and have to remove it if they don't care.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:58am Top

Overall, I like the new page, now that I got it to look more like the old one :) so I can find things.

re white space: my main issue is the spacing in the recently-added area (I don't use other modules which include covers but assume they are treated similarly). I'd like to be able to alter the spacing between shelves so that reducing the size of the covers saves space instead of just adding to the number of titles which are visible.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:58am Top

JerryMmm, I stand corrected, however it would have been helpful if a big change was made more prominent. Not everybody reads the discussion boards on a regular basis.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:00pm Top


To be fair, the requests for input were a little more narrow; they were about what specific aspects we used and what we didn't, what we'd like to see that wasn't there. They weren't about the larger issue of information density and of "Do you read through your entire Home Page most times you visit, or do you use it as a way to access different bits of information" that seem to be causing the most consternation here. (Well, except for the people who didn't realize that modules could be added or moved around, and who were unhappy that their favorites had disappeared.)

Jul 3, 2013, 12:00pm Top

#266 by _Zoe_> That's a fair point. All I can say is that, eventually, almost EVERYTHING in LT is You-centric (Add books has your list of sources, Local has your location and favorites, Your books obviously has your books). But the stuff you get when clicking the top level Home is more of a miscellaneous collection of you-centric stuff. I think it's a bit of a compromise.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:03pm Top

271 Very good idea. There is a lot of stuff of LT that is not very obvious to newcomers. Sometimes even after you have explored the site several times you still don't know about some features. I think having a dedicated group that is 'up front' would be a big help.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:12pm Top

271, I agree, you have an idea there, or if another big change were in the works, a comment could be put on every member's page (like when a early reviewer giveaway is announced), so it would difficult to miss.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:14pm Top

Tim: There's something I posted in the other thread that I really want to make sure you see. It may be very relevant to complaints about font/image zooming in the Home threads as well:


Jul 3, 2013, 12:14pm Top

> 247

How about if you add an "All" subsection that just has ALL of the widgets on it? It can be hard to find them.

Too true. I know I found one, after much searching, and then lost it again because the location wasn't particularly intuitive.

Jul 3, 2013, 12:15pm Top

#279 by lilithcat> I spent quite a bit of time looking for "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" after having found it on the first skim of the changes. (It's under About You, which both makes sense and is completely not intuitive.)

Jul 3, 2013, 12:46pm Top

I fear I'm coming 'round to the view the new home page is more screen space inefficient than it should be. I find myself trying to make modules as small as usefully possible to make as many as possible visible without scrolling. It doesn't help that chosing smaller covers in the recently added module results in extra vertical white space.

Also, please remove the "Dashboard" header. It eats vertical space for no good purpose. If anything it confuses me that I click on something called "Home" and end up on a page calling itself "Dashboard".

Jul 3, 2013, 1:24pm Top

I've got to read this thread thoroughly later.

At the moment I just wanna say thanks for the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books"!!!!

Another thing: I'm not 100% sure but I think I got rid of more things from the dashboard that I can now find in Unused. Is there another place they could go?

Jul 3, 2013, 1:28pm Top

I like new design very much, it's great!!!

But, how can I filter recently added item on dashboard (shelf view) by any item from my collections? Am I missing it? That's the feature I would like very much.

Jul 3, 2013, 1:41pm Top

Suggestion: In the "Welcome to Librarything" widget, can you add links to how Authors can use LT and how Publishers can use LT? Please? Make them prominent.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:05pm Top

I've been playing around in more details with changes and features and I must say that I like the new approach and design. However (don't know if this has been addressed before), please keep the time stamp consistent everywhere (i.e. this post does not register local time). Thanks for the intense work and attention paid by everyone.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:46pm Top


For the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" module, what would be fantastic is if the popup showed a side-by-side of your current cover and the one in question. This would be an amazing tool compared to how it is now.

Jul 3, 2013, 2:49pm Top



Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 2:54pm Top

Thanks. Speaking of which, will the "High Quality" option in the module suffer from the same bug as HQ does on the covers page, where grab-by-url covers are never marked as HQ and show a resolution of "0x0"?


(Kind of rhetorical question, but now that we have this module that bug is even more painful.)

Jul 3, 2013, 2:58pm Top

The bug mentioned in #288 is reported as a separate bug at http://www.librarything.com/topic/147095 (which I've been bumping periodically for ages to no avail)

Jul 3, 2013, 3:11pm Top

regarding the dashboard controversy, why notjust call it 'Home' since that is the name used in the header? might be less confusing for those having difficulties with it.

Jul 3, 2013, 3:17pm Top

Not sure if this is a bug, but in "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" it would be really nice if there was some way that it didn't show the covers that you uploaded, or if that will break something/someone, a way to dismiss them.

Otherwise, having been not too sure last night, I've changed my mind and really like it.

Jul 3, 2013, 3:18pm Top

In the "Your Tags" module the columns sort across. Can we have the option of sorting them across or down, like in the catalog? That way those of us who sort our columns down in the catalog can have consistency.

Jul 3, 2013, 3:21pm Top

Squeeeee!! Love, love, love.

Jul 3, 2013, 3:24pm Top

Home is the container for multiple sections. It's the title of the tab.
Dashboard is one of those sections. As is connections, reviews, profile, recommendations etc.
Of course one could rename dashboard home, but it still would be just one part of what's contained in the tab.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 3:27pm Top

If I have overlooked the same topic, my appologies in advance.

I am trying to reorder my dashboard, but nothing is changing. When I click one of the modules, it just send me to the page, not dragging at all. Is it because of me and my PC? I know my browsers are not updated ... shoudl I update them first?

ETA: using safari and IE, haven't checked FF yet.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 3:30pm Top

>282 Talvitar:, 286: I'm silly. I can't find that module to add to my home page. Where is it?

Edited: Member-uploaded covers module

Jul 3, 2013, 3:38pm Top

Don't know if this has been mentioned up thread, but it is a bit confusing to have columns in the Your Tags section, but to have the alpha sort go from L to R. I know we read books from L to R, but the columns imply that your eye travels down to read, as if you were reading a list.

So, tags are alphabetized blue green red yellow, but the eye reads blue red / green yellow, for e.g., because you are traveling down then over and down again, not across, because of the column structure.

I like the column structure--it feels like a listing of my tags, which seems to me how they should be read--but I would love it if the alpha sort went by column. No biggie, though, and overall a fun upgrade. I didn't spend time on the home page prior--just went straight to my profile--so I'm enjoying the new playground.

Jul 3, 2013, 4:00pm Top

It's in the About You section.

and I +2 the Your cover side by side with new cover.
also, if you've already selected the cover (either because you uploaded it yourself or just selected it already), put a green box around it like on the change cover page?

Jul 3, 2013, 4:08pm Top

It's much better than before. I'll use lots of the new modules. I still worry it will be overwhelming for new users, though.

Jul 3, 2013, 4:23pm Top

Jul 3, 2013, 4:35pm Top

This is an extremely minor point, to put it mildly, but if I could add my "Currently Reading" collection link to the "Your Books" module, I could do away with the "Your Collections" module entirely and save myself a little scrolling. I know I could move "Your Collections" down to the bottom, but I like having easy access to my "Currently Reading" collection. Otherwise, I don't use collections at all.

But like I said, minor, and I may be the only LT user who would like that exact combination.

Edited: Jul 3, 2013, 5:33pm Top

This isn't new and has nothing to do with the new layout, but I figured it would be seen here. It would be nice if when you load "your books," they would come up in alpha order, instead of "when added" order. Also, many times when I click on "others" under author, "Harry Potter" junk comes up. When you post an author's name, must click on "others" and the first name in the "others" list is the same name, spelled exactly alike the one you posted, it's just a tad frustrating.

In spite of all the above griping, I do love LT. Thanks for a great site.

I'll try to post this in a more appropriate place.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:10pm Top

Re 295 > (attempt to re-order modules in dashboard results in modules opening instead of re-ordering them). When you go to move the modules (the Section Bars), hover the mouse over a point in the bar where there is no text (eg. stay away from the Section/Module title that is at the left end of the bar), then click and drag the bar either up or down. Then select Save.

I noted earlier that the Module/Section titles contained in the bars (at the left end) are still actively click-able even when all you are supposed to be doing at that time is grabbing and dragging the bars. If you hover the mouse pointer too close to the title (just before you expect to be able to drag the bar) then try the click and drag, you'll find that you've just opened the module (with the click on the title, though you didn't intend to...) and you never get a chance to do the 'drag' part of the operation. So, in summary: Click and drag, but keep your pointer on the bars and away from the titles.

I tend (after many changes) to make one re-ordering change at a time, Save it and confirm it has worked (as I expected) and then do the next. Piling the changes up might work but I'm a computer sceptic from long ago (like many former Systems Administrators). Which means I'm fully alive to the possibility - nay, certainty - that the problem you are experiencing is a combination of several issues none of which I have addressed here. Good luck!

Jul 3, 2013, 5:15pm Top

Sweet. I love the new look!

Jul 3, 2013, 5:16pm Top

#302 by Boobalack> If you post this in another thread and not here, I can tell you how you can already do this. At least, if I'm reading your post right. No point in continuing to sidetrack the official staff thread.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:19pm Top

282> Unused is for things that aren't anywhere else. So if, for instance, you removed Recent Member-uploaded Covers from the dashboard, it wouldn't appear in Unused because it's also under About You.

Which points up the need for that All category - or a Customize this page link, like the old homepage had. It's a bit of a pain trying to remember what goes in what category - some are obvious, some very non-intuitive to me (and I bet what's obvious to me is non-intuitive to others, and vice versa). I'd also love to be able to move things into other categories, though I doubt that can be done (too complicated) - Junk Drawer and Member Gallery belong in About You, to me. Right now they're in my Unused.

Another agreement for my current cover showing along with the Recent one when I click it. As it is, it's five clicks and then three back (or one if I just click the Home link) - click the cover, click Show work, click Change covers, Choose this cover, confirm, back to Home. And green boxes in the module would be very helpful too.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:31pm Top

Sorry #305. I'll try to find where to post it. Thanks.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:33pm Top

The question is, WHY is there a need for Unused? Shouldn't there be a category for all of the modules? I removed everything (well, I had to leave ONE thing because apparently deleting everything resets it to have all the default modules) and now what shows up under Unused is:
Your books
Member gallery
Junk drawer
Local events
On this day

"Your books" should fall back into "About you". Lots of other modules about your books do.

"Member gallery" and "Junk drawer" should go under a new "Images" leftnav item.

"Local events" could go under a new "Events" tab (a singleton, like "Connection News" and "Your feed")

"On this day" could go under "Books", joining the "Featured authors" module there (both are about authors). Or make a new "Authors" leftnav item and put it under the "Discover" bold item.

"Welcome to LibraryThing" could go to "Community"

Once you get those all reorganized and get rid of "Unused", you can add "All" in its place.

Jul 3, 2013, 5:38pm Top

brightcopy, I just reposted in a correct thread. Thanks.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:27pm Top

If I may add my two cents: I like the new design! Congratulations for all the hard work that has gone into this. :) I'm still navigating my way through, but I do have one question: What exactly is the Member Gallery module?

Jul 3, 2013, 6:28pm Top

#310 by moonshineandrosefire> It's all the pictures you've uploaded to your member gallery. Click on your username, then click on your user photo. That's your member gallery.

Jul 3, 2013, 6:39pm Top

Thanks brightcopy! :) Also, to whomever it was who had expressed that they couldn't see all the titles on their bookshelf? I did some investigation on my own homepage, and discovered that I can display up to 3 shelves on my homepage: that displays thirty books at a time. I hope that this helps you a little bit. :)

Jul 3, 2013, 8:01pm Top

I just got back to LT after 4 days away and things have changed. I would like to have the "recently active" part of my home page back. It is nice to see the "recently added" list but I would also like to have the things that I have read or edited to have a place on that page as well.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:07pm Top

It's called Your Feed, under Yours on the left navigation. You can add it to the dashboard or leave it where it is and just go to that link to see it.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:29pm Top

I feel like a curmudgeon. I just commented in the general look thread, but it's more appropriate here: in trying to use the site normally this evening, adding a book and so on, I found myself actively avoiding "home", which is not how my behavior was in the past.

When I did finally click, to get to the ER things (I wanted to click saying I had received my book), it made me scroll past everything else and was a very unpleasant experience. :(

I still haven't heard if the different font for the Talk module is intentional, but it stands out awkwardly. It's Verdana instead of Arial, or something like that, and maybe 1pt bigger.

Truly, I liked the new look and homepage at first and want to like it, but the more I use it, the more dissatisfied I become.

Jul 3, 2013, 8:45pm Top

Huh. I also notice the different font in the Talk module, but I like it - it's more readable than the rest.

Jul 3, 2013, 9:33pm Top

I can't see all my tags in alphabetical order anymore.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:00pm Top

Thank you, nandadevi. I will try that when I got home and get the chance to open my dashboard.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:00pm Top

Should we make RSIs based on the New Home Page here in this thread, or start an RSI thread?

Jul 3, 2013, 10:15pm Top

Do not like. I'm with those that liked the more 'at-a-glance' of the old dashboard. Too much scrolling required now.

Jul 3, 2013, 10:54pm Top

This may be the first unsolicited alteration of an online tool that I'm already used to using which I haven't flat-out hated, so bravo for that. But you haven't added the one feature that would be most useful to me: I can sort by LCCN, I can find an individual book in my collection, but what I can't do is find an individual book on its page in my sorted LCCN list, displayed alongside its neighbors.

Jul 3, 2013, 11:04pm Top

321, you must mean "LC Classification," which is sortable, not "LCCN," which is not.
After that I still don't understand...

Jul 4, 2013, 12:17am Top

#321 by catbus> Sorry, but the alterations had nothing to do with the catalog page. Just the Home page, the top navigation bar and a few other widgets around the site.

Jul 4, 2013, 12:33am Top

Dashboard (starting defaults)
Your books
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags
Recent Automatic Recommendations
Recent Member Recommendations
Member Gallery
Talk (Forums)
Local Events
On this Day

About you
Your Zeitgeist
Your Library over Time
Your Connections
Members with Your Books
Your Groups
Your Lists
Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books
Your Recent Reviews
Your Quick Links
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags

Top Automatic Recommendations
Lists You Might Like
Recent Automatic Recommendations
Recent Member Recommendations
Group Suggestions

Connection news
Connection news

Your feed
Your feed

Early Reviewers
Tag Watch
Hot this Month
What Members are Reading
Top Wishlisted Books
Member Giveaway
Featured Authors

Hot Reviews
Reviews for Your Books
Your Recent Reviews

Your Groups
From the Blogs
Active Lists
Recent Lists
Featured Legacy Libraries
Recent Book Haiku
Talk (Forums)
Group Suggestions

Your Helps
Venue Linking
Spam Works
Tag Combinations

Unused (starting defaults)
Junk Drawer
Welcome to LibraryThing

Now why the heck didn't I think of that before???

Tim or cD: Be kind to your users and please copy this into the first post!

Jul 4, 2013, 12:55am Top

The more I use the options on the new home page, the more I love that page!! It's CLUTTER-FREE because I got rid of everything I didn't want to see. That missing information is easily available elsewhere should I need it at a later time.

Having the quick links on my home page is terrific because now I have a real reason to start from my HOME page and not from the TALK tab. :)

I also like that admin has a column of news feed on the home page and plan to check that column regularly.

Thank you to the whole team for such great work!

*takes off sunglasses as I'm now accustomed to the new color scheme* :)

Jul 4, 2013, 1:09am Top

BTW, I keep meaning to ask: Why this space?

Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 2:29am Top

I've done some work tightening up the home page vertically—old on the left, new on the right. Shelves are especially tightened.

BTW, I keep meaning to ask: Why this space?

So, "Connection News" is going to become a feed, like yours but with other people in it. They cohere.

Jul 4, 2013, 2:28am Top

I regret I won't be able to do very much coding tomorrow. My wife's parents are coming up for the Fourth.

Jul 4, 2013, 2:48am Top

>327 I've done some work tightening up the home page vertically

Yay! Much better now.

Enjoy your Thursday!

Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 3:19am Top

Isn't it interesting that there are so many people that at the same time as complaining that they have to scroll down the new home page, complain that the home page doesn't have all the modules they want (that are now in several other pages but can be brought back into the initial dashboard page)?

Jul 4, 2013, 3:35am Top

327 > The vertical tightening is appreciated, but the recently added module still puts in lots of vertical white space at cover sizes smaller than medium.

Jul 4, 2013, 4:22am Top

Generally I'm liking it - and I'm a newish member who used the old home page extensively. I don't miss the right hand column of modules, because I found that my eye automatically travelled to the centre column and I almost never read anything in it. Without it, the page is much more readable on smaller devices. I can now read it in portrait on an iPad, which I seldom did before. So on that device I'm now getting more above the fold. ;-)

I didn't get to view it on a touchscreen device until after the Reorder/Remove/Settings links switched from being exposed only on hover, so I don't know whether they were reachable on the iPad before that. Currently it's touchscreen friendly though, and I like that the "LibraryThing" logo becomes an "L" when I view the page on both my phone and my iPad, which means that the top banner fits more comfortably. I also like that it stays at the top permanently. On devices where you can't just hit a Home button to get back to the top, that's a godsend.

My major initial reservation was the vertical whitespace, and that's definitely improved. I still see a few places that seem to have more than they should - "Your Tags" still seems to have some space that could be pruned, for example - but I can now get the modules I really want on the dashboard above the fold in most cases.

I think I'm likely to use it slightly differently from the old one - instead of sticking everything I want to view regularly on the dashboard, I'll probably drop some of them back to their subpages, and move them to the top there. Then I can just click through the subpages to view them instead of scrolling, and keep long-loading stuff like shelves/covers off the dashboard.

One query: is there any reason why the spacing for the covers on Recently Added is different from that of Recent Automatic Recommendations/Recent Member Recommendations? I have the covers set to the same size, so logically I should see the same number of covers in a single row of each. Recently Added is more tightly spaced and gives me one extra cover though.

Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:59am Top

Moving some comments here from the "new design"-thread - because I can't be trustedwith reading instructions before typing =/

Kind of wish the "Reorder, Remove, Settings"-buttons would be visible on mouse hover only - it looks a bit cluttered right now.

Is Tagwatch new? I love it! (But I wish I could watch tagmashes aw well).

Why does some of my lists show up twice? They also doesn't seem to want to sort properly, or arrange themselves in the proper number of columns when I change it in the settings. (But it's nice to see this feature getting som spotlight at last.)

You might want to think hard about the categories in the left hand menu - some of them feel rather unintuitive: Why is my feed a category in itself and not under "about me"? for example

Jul 4, 2013, 6:43am Top

Re 333 > Jannes, the Reorder/Remove/Setting buttons were initially set up to appear only on mouse-over-hover. They were changed to permanent display at the moment as a concession to the spatially and visually disorientated (myself amongst them) following users requests to LT. I understand they will be reverted to a hover-over-visible method a little bit down the track when folk are feeling more comfortable. I think the LT programmers are very keen on the uncluttered look and likely to go further in that direction as opportunities present themselves.

Jul 4, 2013, 6:50am Top

I love the new design!
And I use the home page a lot!

Haven't had too much time to play - which I think is important to understand the whole new concept - because after I found Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books module and added it and played with what I wanted, I then lost TWO hours ridding myself of more Amazon covers. For that alone I loves you LT guys!

Jul 4, 2013, 6:56am Top

#331 by AndreasJ>
Exactly. XS through Medium all result in the same height for the module as a whole. Makes me wonder what's the point of changing the cover size settings in the first place.

Jul 4, 2013, 7:08am Top

#334 by nandadevi> I understand they will be reverted to a hover-over-visible method a little bit down the track when folk are feeling more comfortable.

I don't mind these showing up all the time instead of just on hover. I think I actually prefer it. Finding out that you could reorder modules or change their settings always took me forever to discover in the past. These are nice and explicit. To help with the clutter issue, maybe they could be a lighter color (e.g. the gray of the icons) when not behing hovered.

Jul 4, 2013, 7:30am Top

I too had problems with figuring out how to set up / arrange / edit the modules once I changed the default behavior. For example, I was looking forever for "Tag watch", but couldn't find something similar to the old design's "customize this page". Couldn't find it at the top or right. Couldn't find it at the bottom (next to "reorder modules" or "restore to defaults" (which I didn't want to do)). Couldn't find it in my profile/account settings. Didn't realize till reading through Talk that all these sub-home pages now exist. Even after seeing them, "Unused" didn't seem obvious to me. I think even just "Unused modules" would be a step up, but I agree with jjmcgaffey and brightcopy that it would be better replaced by some way to customize/rearrange all the modules at once.

Also, Removing a module seems so dangerous. Can I ever get it back? The confirmation alert provides no reassurance. It would alleviate fears and help the discoverability of the "Unused" page (and thus the other sub-home pages) if the confirmation alert told you how you could get it back if you change your mind later.

Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 7:39am Top

According to my profile I am watching Easyreeder - privately. I'm not watching anyone, privately or otherwise, please remove this.

Incidentally, watching anybody 'privately' seems rather like stalking.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:12am Top

>339 Foxhunter: You can remove this yourself by clicking on that member's name. It will take you to their profile page and you can click 'remove from private watchlist' in the upper right corner. You may have accidentally added them while you were perusing their library at some point.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:14am Top

'I know. It didn't come together as it should. We're a little over-taxed.'

When you make big design changes you really need even something simple saying 'X was in this space, now it's over here.' Some sites even do popup balloons the first time you log into a changed site -- which LT probably can't do, but if something is 'improved' and I can't find it, for me, that's not an improvement.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:15am Top

I'm not too bothered whether the links stay visible on a permanent basis or revert to hover-only when people have become used to the new look... provided hover only doesn't make it impossible to use them on a touchscreen device where hover isn't an option.

I use my iPad for accessing the site a lot of the time, and while I probably won't want to keep rearranging the furniture forever, it'd be good to not have to run and find something with a mouse in order to do it.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:16am Top

Under the old setup I was adding the date I finished reading a book in the time before 1970--which did not stick when I first entered the books but after the fix earlier last month did. But with the new setup the dates I enter before 1970 do not show up, though they do stick. Is there some way to make the dates before 1970 show up when I enter a search term? I was in the process of adding the dates read for all the books I read before 1970 but now the date read does not show up. Did I do something to cause that?

Jul 4, 2013, 8:18am Top

'a problem, particularly among newer members.'

Seeing all the emphasis on new! new! newer! members re the redesign and new page design makes me, as an old, apparently undesirable, user, feel really thrown under the bus. GoodReads made a lot of bad mistakes in the past couple of years trying to court new users, and I really hope the same thing doesn't happen to LT.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:36am Top

Re #243:

This morning I do not have the problem which I mention in #242, so it has apparently been fixed. Thanks.

Jul 4, 2013, 8:43am Top

It seems that setting the time stamp to local is now consistent everywhere. Thank you for fixing this.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:20am Top

>342 jules_l: The hover worked fine on a touch screen. You just touched the bar and the links would appear. Granted, it took me a bit to figure that out, but not too long.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:22am Top

#327 by timspalding> So, "Connection News" is going to become a feed, like yours but with other people in it. They cohere.

*headscratch* Still not getting it. Maybe it's just too early.

#344 by the_red_shoes> thrown under the bus

Considering how much work the staff has put into both asking us before hand about these changes and then in these threads communicating with us about what we think and implementing a ton of our suggestions, I'd say we're anything other than thrown under the bus!

Jul 4, 2013, 9:22am Top


That looks MUCH nicer. Thank you.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:26am Top

339, 340>

Based on a little investigation of what's showing up in my own "private watch list" - something that I, like Foxhunter, have never used - it appears that it's showing members that we have blocked. (I see a lot of spammers and "suspended for being under 13" on my own list there. That is a bug and I will go report it.)

Jul 4, 2013, 9:39am Top


They would appear for me but I couldn't get them to stay long enough to actually make them work on my iPad.

To make changes I had to use my laptop instead and that wouldn't always be convenient.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:41am Top

I don't see the point of having dates attached to the recent recommendations.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:43am Top

>352 lilithcat:
They show how recent they are. If you have a fairly static library they can be... un-recent.

Jul 4, 2013, 9:45am Top

> 353

Ah, thanks.

And with that, this being the 354th post, I think it's time to continue this topic in a new one!

Jul 4, 2013, 9:46am Top

#353 AnnaClaire

... un-recent.

I love it.


Jul 4, 2013, 9:58am Top

Re 339 & 340 - thanks for your helpful advice, Diana, - unfortunately this member (who, incidentally, claims not to use Librarything) does not have this feature on his Profile page, just a blurb about being a Library thing Author. Odd.

Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 10:33am Top

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Jul 4, 2013, 11:58am Top

>356 Foxhunter: Posting here, since our conversation was on this thread: It must be the bug that lorax found and reported in post #350: "Based on a little investigation of what's showing up in my own "private watch list" - something that I, like Foxhunter, have never used - it appears that it's showing members that we have blocked. (I see a lot of spammers and "suspended for being under 13" on my own list there. That is a bug and I will go report it.)"

Sorry my fix didn't help, but lorax is on the case!

Jul 5, 2013, 7:37am Top

I work at Shands Hospital and they are very particular about their web security. I don't have Java and cookies and this new web page does not allow me to use LT at work as easily.

Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 8:30am Top

My favorite part of the old home page was the list of books added and rated by other members. I'd rather see that than a list of my tags and collections. Any way to bring that back?

Looking closer I found that this part is called Connection News. It's on the sidebar now and you can add it to your dashboard. Great.

Jul 5, 2013, 9:57am Top

Great new features! One suggestion though:

It would be cool if "Hot this month" and "What members are reading" could show the cover of my edition for books that I already own. This way I could recognize the book much faster when using the cover view.

Jul 5, 2013, 10:06am Top

359> Actually, what you aren't allowed to use is Javascript, not Java (although you may not be allowed Java either, but LT doesn't use that). Without Javascript and cookies web browsing is going to be crippled no matter what site you go to.

Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 10:18am Top

Are you and your people bored, Tim? The weight and dimension of books? A new design? Why don't you leave well enough alone and maybe take up a hobby?

Jul 5, 2013, 11:08am Top


This may be the first time I've seen someone accused of having too much time on their hands for doing their jobs.

Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 11:55am Top

BIG is good. Aging eyes require bigger. Besides, you can see more of the actual cover. I like it. I like it au lait. :-D

Jul 5, 2013, 1:10pm Top

Now is the time to produce the histogram of the number of postings on this thread by hour from the launch of the new features.

Jul 6, 2013, 10:57am Top

Why bother? Was the old setup a problem? Too often webmasters "fix" things that aren't broken.

Edited: Jul 6, 2013, 11:08am Top

Wastes space, WAAAY too much scrolling. Filled three column layout was much more dense and thus easier to use.

Jul 6, 2013, 6:55pm Top

I like it but I do miss having the profile and review links unavailable on the other pages. Its kind of a pain to have to go to the home link to see your profile and reviews.

Jul 6, 2013, 8:11pm Top

The Profile link is available on every page. You do NOT have to go to Home to access it. You only have to click on your name in the upper right corner.

Jul 6, 2013, 10:28pm Top

I like it. Like the options to change settings and customize look + feel. While exploring I am finding many new, useful features. Also finding / re-discovering features I haven't used.

re 112 "This is a complete redesign of code that is 8 years old." Appreciate your efforts to improve LT. Thank you.

Jul 6, 2013, 10:31pm Top

371>> Also finding / re-discovering features I haven't used.

That's how it is with me. More "finding" than "re-discovering," though.

I've actually never used the Home page. I use the Profile page as my FF start page and I have the Talk tab linked on my FF bookmarks toolbar. I may start using the Home page a bit now.

Jul 7, 2013, 4:07pm Top

<370, thanks! I just found it:)

Edited: Jul 7, 2013, 8:37pm Top

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Jul 7, 2013, 9:58pm Top

I like the look, but on the old home page I could click a link to all of my series. Is that gone?

Jul 7, 2013, 10:24pm Top

375> Home -> Stats/Memes -> Series
If you put your Zeitgeist on your dashboard, you'll be able to click on "Series" in the Zeitgeist to get to the same page.

Jul 8, 2013, 5:45am Top

>375 ksnider:
Also, in Your Books, there is a dropdown menu underneath the chocolate bar that lets you see lists of your Authors and your Series (as well as a few other things).

Jul 8, 2013, 6:10pm Top

Please continue in the thread linked below.

Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 1:22pm Top

Posting here, because they are in reply to comments HERE.

I work at Shands Hospital and they are very particular about their web security. I don't have Java and cookies and this new web page does not allow me to use LT at work as easily.

Without either JavaScript or Cookies, you can't log into LibraryThing and almost all pages will be broken. This was true before and is still true. Were you using LT in a non-logged-in-state?

Under the old setup I was adding the date I finished reading a book in the time before 1970--which did not stick when I first entered the books but after the fix earlier last month did.

See the bugs thread. This was fixed some time ago. See if you have problems.

Foxhunter: According to my profile I am watching Easyreeder - privately. I'm not watching anyone, privately or otherwise, please remove this.

You must have removed this individual. I'm not seeing him/her on your profile or home page, when I am logged in as you.

338 omargosh: Also, Removing a module seems so dangerous. Can I ever get it back? The confirmation alert provides no reassurance. It would alleviate fears and help the discoverability of the "Unused" page (and thus the other sub-home pages) if the confirmation alert told you how you could get it back if you change your mind later.

Good idea. It now mentions this in the confirmation pop-up.

Is Tagwatch new? I love it! (But I wish I could watch tagmashes aw well).

Yeah, the "grammar" of that was hard to imagine. Maybe:

(history, greece), fiction, zombies


Anyway, I left it by the wayside. Probably two people would use it.

Jul 10, 2013, 1:27pm Top

Unless we have too many of them, I suppose we can "watch" tagmashes by using the Home Quick Links. It won't have that recentness, but...

Jul 10, 2013, 1:33pm Top


You guys seem to be accidentally posting as the people you're logged in as more often than usual lately.

At any rate, for the real Foxhunter's issue about the spurious private watching, please see my and other people's follow-on posts (#350 and following); people who we have blocked and were never watching are showing up as being privately watched. I know that in the past you've been reluctant to take people's word for "I would never in a million years have taken action XYZ", but please, I would never in a million years have added a spammer or an under-13 kid to my private watch list.

Jul 10, 2013, 1:41pm Top

379> "Anyway, I left it by the wayside. Probably two people would use it."

I would definitely use tagmash with tagwatch, and I've seen other people mention it as well. I used to use LT to find new audiobooks, when the filter option still worked for new books. Now that the filter is years out of date, it would be great to be able to watch "audio, scifi" and "audio, mystery" to catch at least some new audio releases.

Jul 10, 2013, 2:28pm Top

You guys seem to be accidentally posting as the people you're logged in as more often than usual lately.

Sorry. Fixed.

Jul 10, 2013, 2:56pm Top

Now that the filter is years out of date, it would be great to be able to watch "audio, scifi" and "audio, mystery" to catch at least some new audio releases.

Thanks. The filter is running again now. I'll let you know when it's up to date.

Jul 10, 2013, 4:15pm Top

379> Foxhunter: According to my profile I am watching Easyreeder - privately. I'm not watching anyone, privately or otherwise, please remove this.

You must have removed this individual. I'm not seeing him/her on your profile or home page, when I am logged in as you.

You fixed this last week I believe. The problem was that people that had been blocked were showing up as watched.

Jul 10, 2013, 5:29pm Top

Right. Makes sense.

Jul 11, 2013, 4:05pm Top

Does this mean there is a way to standardize column widths across the pages of my library?

Jul 15, 2013, 6:44pm Top

I like the new layout. Much easier on the eyes.

Jul 21, 2013, 9:58am Top

Looks clean and light. The jury is out.

Jul 25, 2013, 9:52am Top


Jul 25, 2013, 9:58am Top

Could you tell us a bit about why?

Jul 26, 2013, 1:55pm Top

The images of the covers look very blurry.

Jul 26, 2013, 1:57pm Top

392> It might be because they're up-sized and not meant to be seen quite so large. That is, if you're referring to the Member-Uploaded Cover module.

Jul 26, 2013, 1:58pm Top

And why all those dates all over the place? Fair enough to see what I've just added, but if I (or anyone else) want to know when I added the book it will be on the book page. It's just clutter on the home page.

Jul 26, 2013, 2:00pm Top

This is even on my home page where they are seen quite small. In the past I've uploaded a number of covers myself for sharpness of detail, but now they seem blurry regardless of whether they are from Amazon, other members, or my own uploads. And it can't be down to my screen, because I've logged in from different computers.

Edited: Jul 26, 2013, 2:17pm Top

#395 by Oandthegang> What browser are you using? And what operating system?

Jul 27, 2013, 4:07am Top

And can you make a screenshot?

(knowing your OS we can provide a guide if you don't know how)

Jul 28, 2013, 4:06pm Top

Have choice of old and new design, and then we can choose, who knows, new design may be better, but I am not sure what I had nor what I lost??????

Aug 6, 2013, 12:13pm Top

I'd like a way to search for a user/collection on the homepage. This shouldn't be hard; this is possible in the (well-hidden) advanced search.
Right now, if someone (including I) doesn't have the url of my/a collection, it's near impossible to find.

Aug 6, 2013, 12:28pm Top



I type "gws-uw" in the search box. I click on "Members" and you pop right up. Same if I don't know your username but type "Gender Studies Madison" in the box. What am I missing?

Aug 6, 2013, 3:31pm Top

You can also go to your own profile and replace your own user name at the end of the url with the user name of the member -- that's what I do.

Aug 6, 2013, 4:09pm Top


I was counting that as "knowing the URL", but you're right, and that's what I usually do too.

Aug 6, 2013, 4:13pm Top

I think maybe their asking for a way to go directly to the catalog page for a given user, with a given collection set.

Aug 8, 2013, 7:55am Top

Sorry I was unclear. Yes, I'd like to go to a specific catalog set. Or simply, make it clear on the homepage that it's possible to find a member via the search box.

Aug 8, 2013, 8:02am Top

For my users and me, "date added" is not important information.
Instead of displaying new books added on the homepage (which may be several years old), I'd love to designate a tag for display if that's possible. Even random books would be better.

Aug 8, 2013, 9:11am Top

"Your users" can't see your homepage (unless you give them the login information, which I wouldn't recommend!) They can see your profile page, where there's automatically a section for "Random books"; you could also add something to your "About my library" section there highlighting books of interest (even with cover images if you choose; you just need to code the HTML yourself for that).

It may be just as easy to tell your users "Find our catalog at http://www.librarything.com/catalog/gws-uw" (and even with a specific Collection if that's what you want) than to tell users unfamiliar with LibraryThing "Find our catalog on LibraryThing" and then rely on LT's interface to get them the rest of the way.

Aug 9, 2013, 10:24am Top

Very nice. Clean and user friendly. well done!

Aug 11, 2013, 2:02pm Top

I still mostly spend my time on Library Thing by cataloging. After a couple of household disasters the books being in disorder drives me nuts...but I have LOTS more books than most people. Over 6000 and I'm just a little over half done. What I like about the new format is the ability to see what's been added more easily and then to go to add books. I also like the ability to look up an author and see which books by them have been cataloged The only thing I wish I had was the ability to look up an illustrator. Sometimes I buy the book for the illustrator (lots of children's books) and then I can't remember the author. For example Tasha Tudor illustrated many books that she is not the author of. The other issue I have is matching covers to isbns. Sometimes my book has a cover associated with a different isbn. The way I get around it is to save the cover file, then re up load it onto my own book. The other thing I don't understand is why photos on Amazon don't come up with the book isbn when I find the book data, then I have to go onto Amazon or Google and save the book photo then re upload it to associate it with my copy. I won an award from you for uploading so many covers this way. Of course I also photographed plenty of them too. Thanks for all your work on this project. I would like to find a similar thing for VHS & DVD's.

Aug 11, 2013, 2:27pm Top

Take11 - http://www.take11.com - is a similar site for cataloging DVDs and VHSs.

Aug 11, 2013, 3:21pm Top

408> If you enter the illustrator as an Other Author (with the role set as Illustrator), you can search your library for that name and it will come up. You can also set that person as an Other Author for the work (being careful to set it for Some Editions if that's accurate, and as a Secondary Author unless it's more than that) - then others can see the Other Author as well. For your own record, the Other Authors is accessible on the Edit page; for the work-level data, it's in among Common Knowledge.

Aug 11, 2013, 11:07pm Top

And why all those dates all over the place? Fair enough to see what I've just added, but if I (or anyone else) want to know when I added the book it will be on the book page. It's just clutter on the home page.

Opinions will differ. Click the settings for that module to remove the dates for you.

Edited: Sep 15, 2013, 6:18pm Top

I would like the 100 Places To See Before You Die spreadsheet for USA and Canada. Please email to Debra.Oglesby@gmail.com Thanks.

Sep 19, 2013, 2:30am Top

Ever wondered why pirates goes Arrr!? Its because so many 17th, 18th & 19th century sailors came from Devon and Somerset, where they famously like to roll their rrrrrrs. Early ships must therefore have been resonant with rolling Arrrrs! Early writers of sailing and pirate fiction incorporated this into their stories for authenticity, so now your average fictional pirate always goes Arrrr! a lot.

Trivia for today.

Sep 19, 2013, 2:48pm Top

I wish there was a way to "checkout" a book to track it when i lend it to someone.

Sep 19, 2013, 3:32pm Top

You can make a new collection, call it "Checked Out" and move the book there when you lend it out. You can use the private comments field to keep track of who you lent it to and when. (Just my solution for this problem, there are probably a dozen other ways of doing this).

Edited: Sep 29, 2013, 3:52am Top

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Sep 28, 2013, 5:25pm Top

Give users the ability to change the colors. The white background hurts my eyes to look it at.

Oct 1, 2013, 4:53pm Top

It's always had a white background. Nothing new there.

Oct 1, 2013, 5:50pm Top

#418 by conceptDawg> Well, yes and no. It has always had a white background. But as I'm sure you (and anyone else who has had any basic art instruction) know, color perception is not an objective so much as a subjective, heavily influenced by what other colors are placed next to or inside of it. So while the absolute color value may not have changed, the effective color might well have.

Of course, these are issues we've hashed through several times already in these threads. But I just couldn't stand to leave it at such a simplistic reply that glosses over those discussions. :D

Oct 3, 2013, 8:28pm Top

Where are the Member Giveaways and Early Reviewers AND My Messages????? Do not like that they are impossible to find anymore

Oct 3, 2013, 9:13pm Top

Your messages - your profile - is reachable through your name on the upper right (and if you have a message, it will have a little yellow box up there to tell you so). You can also get to it from the word Profile in the subnav on the Home page, but your name is there on every page.

Member Giveaway and Early Reviewers can be found in a module under Discovery:Books on the home pages - go to your Home page, look on the left and click Books under Discovery. You can also tell that module to show up on your Dashboard, the default Home page. And the other way is through a link in the footer on every page. Yeah, not as convenient as it used to be, but not all that hard.

If your screen is wide enough that you have Top News on the right on your Home page, Early Reviewers will show up there when there's a list open for requesting. It goes away, though, the rest of the month.

Oct 12, 2013, 9:54pm Top

With the new homepage I CANNOT find the list of books I have won to add in a review!! where do i find it now from
the home page?

Oct 12, 2013, 10:53pm Top

Read the message directly above yours - second and third paragraph.

Once you get to Early Reviewers, at the top of the page is Books you've Requested and Books you've Won (link to the list of your books for reviewing).

Oct 12, 2013, 11:21pm Top

#417 by tdamian>

One answer would be to include a mechanism where users could set their own colors. This is unlikely because of the work involved for a feature that might be little used.

However, there are add-ons for major browsers like Chrome and Firefox that let you control colors, typefaces, sizes, etc. on particular websites. The main one is called Stylish. Using it mainly involves determining a URL pattern and then some CSS (web speak for "Cascading Style Sheets", a set of rules to define how different elements are displayed in the browser). If you have an issue with white backgrounds (which a large percentage of sites have) then you can alter the "background" property for this and other sites so something a little less glaring to you. If this sort of thing bothers you, it is well worth making the web appear the way you want.


Nov 8, 2013, 7:31pm Top

I hate the new home page and probably won't bother to come back here.

BTW the 'jump to first unread' doesn't work on this thread.

Dec 3, 2013, 10:45pm Top

Gee, sorry, I don't notice a huge difference! Maybe I will notice more as I use the features. I've always loved LibraryThing, and there's no other site like it, so any improvements are just icing on the cake! :)

Dec 3, 2013, 10:46pm Top

Yes. I need LT to point out to me all the changes and their significance. ;)

Dec 9, 2013, 9:28am Top

Where is the "add to your collection" button?

Dec 9, 2013, 9:52am Top

>428 davepave: Click "Add books" at the top of the page in the chocolate bar...

Dec 10, 2013, 12:14am Top

If you need help with LT features, the group Welcome to LibraryThing! is a good one to ask in - and to read the other threads, where others have asked and been answered.

Dec 16, 2013, 12:50pm Top

Easy, I like it

Dec 28, 2013, 10:48pm Top

I can't find my list of early reviewer book anymore. Where are they?

Edited: Dec 28, 2013, 10:52pm Top

It's in Home > Discover > Books

P.s.: You can move it from there to your "dashboard" if you like.

Dec 29, 2013, 1:40am Top

Or go to the bottom of every page - there's an Early Reviewers link in the footer (in tiny text - but those are useful links).

Dec 30, 2013, 2:20pm Top

Dear Tim
I am in Uganda I opened up an account for my resource center in the names of CSBAG_Resourcenter and password csbag but wherever i upload cataloged information then close the next time i open i do not find that information

Dec 30, 2013, 2:45pm Top

This is a pretty old thread so you would probably get a faster response by emailing the staff. Try clicking on the Contact link at the bottom of this page for the right address.

Dec 30, 2013, 2:48pm Top

435, also, edit your post to remove your password

Jan 18, 2014, 5:29pm Top

Perfect example of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it.'

Jan 28, 2014, 10:02pm Top

This user has been removed as spam.

Feb 4, 2014, 1:45pm Top

I still can't find an easy way to get to my Early Reviewer's page, which makes it difficult for me to acknowledge receiving books and to post my reviews.

Feb 4, 2014, 1:47pm Top

I still can't find an easy way to get to my Early Reviewer's page, which makes it difficult for me to acknowledge receiving books and to post my reviews.

I also can't find any way to get to me messages except if there's a new one indicated in my title bar.

I had both these problems with the old version as well as the new.

Feb 4, 2014, 2:15pm Top

Early reviewers can either be added as a module to your Dashboard, or, there is a link on every page in the footer (all the way at the bottom, in the fine print).

If you click you screenname in the top right corner you get taken to your profile, messages are there. You can also choose to have them e-mailed to you.

Feb 4, 2014, 2:20pm Top

There's a link to the ER program at the bottom of every page. If you want, you can promote the ER module (found under "Books" in the left-hand menu) to your dashboard/homepage.

Getting to your messages is easy: clicking on your username in the top right corner (of whatever page you are on) will take you to your profile, where all your messages are collected.

Feb 4, 2014, 2:23pm Top

You can also get to your messages by clicking on Home and then the Profile sub-tab.

Feb 6, 2014, 12:56pm Top

I'm new here, and i don't really what to do with this website, help?

Edited: Feb 6, 2014, 12:58pm Top

Begin by taking the tour: http://www.librarything.com/tour/

Feb 7, 2014, 2:32am Top

And then go ask questions in the Welcome to LibraryThing! group - and read others' questions, there are a lot of good answers in there.

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