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1lilithcat
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:04pm Top

What can be found where, thanks to Brightcopy:

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2lilithcat
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 10:05am Top

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3AnnaClaire
Jul 4, 2013, 9:51am Top

>1 lilithcat:-2
Twice over?

4timspalding
Jul 4, 2013, 9:57am Top

So, one question is: Shall we put the home page in a smaller font? The old home page was a mix of 12px and 11px, with the latter dominating. The new one is 12px. 11px is the main size on certain information-dense pages, like talk and local. 12px is used on work pages and author pages. If size is bothering people, the main content on the home page can jump down a font size--back to what it was.

5lilithcat
Jul 4, 2013, 10:07am Top

I don't mind the font size, but I have very few modules on the home page. I can see where people with a lot might want it smaller. It makes me no never mind.

6bookwoman247
Jul 4, 2013, 10:07am Top

>4 timspalding:: I have vision problems, and for that reason I like the larger font.

7SqueakyChu
Jul 4, 2013, 10:16am Top

I know I can increase font size to account for vision problems, but I like the larger font size on the Home Page. The larger text makes the content seem more like headlines than narrative. Save the smaller font size for the "information dense" pages.

8hailelib
Jul 4, 2013, 10:21am Top

>7 SqueakyChu:, but I want an information dense homepage. Anyway, a little smaller would work fine for me.

9qebo
Jul 4, 2013, 10:25am Top

4: Yes, please, smaller font on the home page.

10omargosh
Jul 4, 2013, 10:42am Top

You could make it a configurable option, or a setting per module (à la the cover sizes).

11gennyt
Jul 4, 2013, 10:43am Top

I'd love smaller font personally on the home page - it will be one way to be able to see more information at a glance. Particularly in the Talk module on Home Page - which has always been and I hope will continue to be the main place I access Talk. It makes sense for the font to be the same size there as it is on the Talk Tab.

12dchaikin
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 5:51pm Top

Old thread -#324 - I recommend adding that list as something viewable by click on the home page - Something like a homepage help link or whatnot. (this list is now in post #1 here)

#4 That's a design question. Whatever your designer thinks...although maybe not the designer who designed the new top bar. Something isn't balanced in that look - too blocky, too old, fonts and cubes don't match or maybe it's color problem, or a rectangle size problem. Anyway, the bar looks like design-in-progress, with problems, not a final polished design.

ETA - actually I like the right side without the bold, and with thinner rectangles...just mentioning.

13gennyt
Jul 4, 2013, 10:47am Top

I'm pleased to see a little bit of tightening up of white space around things like the Recently Added module, but there is still the big gap above cover sizes Small and smaller. It is possible to get it as tight for the smaller sizes?

That and reduce font size overall on Home Page (or at least for Talk on Home Page) would begin to make me feel 'at home' again on my Dashboard/Home page.

Thanks for all the team's hard work on this! Even though I've been grumbling at some of the changes, there's some great new stuff there too...

14AndreasJ
Jul 4, 2013, 11:28am Top

I think smaller default text size on Home would be an improvement.

15keristars
Jul 4, 2013, 11:43am Top

New comments:

Why isn't my Member Gallery/Junk Drawer under About You?
Why can't I click on the Member Gallery/Junk Drawer labels to go to those sections of the site? I couldn't figure out how to upload new images.

**And then while typing this, I remembered the presence of the grey + box. It's probably obvious to designers, but when I looked at it, I thought that meant "view more", not "upload new image".

Here's what I mean about the Talk module being different from the rest. LT resized my png so that it's blurred, but you get the idea. I don't care about the size or anything much, as long as it's consistent between modules.



...And, actually, when I uploaded that, the difference doesn't look as striking as in the real experience. So I went back to the homepage to doublecheck, and saw this instead:

16lorax
Jul 4, 2013, 11:49am Top

4,5>

I would have more modules if the font were smaller, and the endless scrolling they require less tedious.

17SylviaC
Jul 4, 2013, 11:54am Top

>351 hailelib
They would appear for me but I couldn't get them to stay long enough to actually make them work on my iPad.

I found that if I held it with one finger, and selected with another, they would stay put long enough. But it's irrelevant for reordering modules, because you can't drag them around on the iPad.

18connie53
Jul 4, 2013, 12:56pm Top

I like the font size just fine.

19VivienneR
Jul 4, 2013, 2:21pm Top

I prefer the smaller font (sorry Connie).

20connie53
Jul 4, 2013, 2:40pm Top

haha, you don't have to say sorry for having an opinion, Vivienne.

21mysterymax
Jul 4, 2013, 2:47pm Top

There's no one size fits all! I would opt for the larger size if I had a choice.

22brightcopy
Jul 4, 2013, 4:32pm Top

When the modules are in "reorder" mode, they should have little up/down arrows at the far right. When clicked, they move them up/down one slot. This would help both people on touchscreen devices and those that just don't like dragging them around.

23brightcopy
Jul 4, 2013, 4:33pm Top

Tim: On bookel's complaint, notice he has a custom DPI set in Windows. This jacks with fonts all over the place (and now Firefox has actually started respecting it, as I posted elsewhere). Remember our discussions about px and pt/em fonts, and how some font settings were handled properly only by pt/em and not px? I wonder if that's the case with some of what bookel is seeing.

24lit_chick
Jul 4, 2013, 4:56pm Top

My preference would be for a smaller font along the top menu bar. It looks "clunky" for lack of a better word. "LibraryThing" on the far left is an excellent size, but the large bar items "Home, Your Books" etc. are too large beside the logo.

Btw, I like to check out Hot Reviews which used to be easily found on the bottom right of the home page. Now I don't even know where they are? Can someone answer, please? Thanks.

25brightcopy
Jul 4, 2013, 4:59pm Top

(lilithcat - feel free to copy this into your first post)

Dashboard (starting defaults)
Your books
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags
Recent Automatic Recommendations
Recent Member Recommendations
Member Gallery
Talk (Forums)
Local Events
On this Day

About you
Your Zeitgeist
Your Library over Time
Your Connections
Members with Your Books
Favorites
Your Groups
Your Lists
Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books
Your Recent Reviews
Your Quick Links
Recently Added
Your Collections
Your Tags

Recommendations
Top Automatic Recommendations
Lists You Might Like
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Your feed
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Books
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Hot this Month
What Members are Reading
Top Wishlisted Books
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Reviews
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Community
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26lilithcat
Jul 4, 2013, 5:04pm Top

> 25

Done! Thanks, Brightcopy.

27Boobalack
Jul 4, 2013, 5:10pm Top

I think once we get used to where to click to find certain things, navigation will be easier. It's not that bad to me, now.

Font size is a problem. As mysterymax said, "There's no one size fits all," but it seems that larger would be better than smaller. Most people who can read smaller print can also read larger, but the reverse isn't usually true. So far, smaller is okay with me (eyeglasses).

I personalized the old home page to some extent but have found there are many more options with the new one. I still like it fairly uncluttered so have removed a couple of things.

Are we having fun, yet? ;-}

28rocketjk
Jul 4, 2013, 7:39pm Top

Thanks for the tightening up on the home page. Less scrolling, more me happy. (Lousy syntax :) )

29brightcopy
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 8:55pm Top

#4 by timspalding> 11px is the main size on certain information-dense pages, like talk

Just for clarity: you use 11px in the topics lists for Talk, but 12px in the actual topics.


Also, I did some tests and I'm happy to report changing the desktop DPI in windows doesn't seem to screw with setting fonts in px like I was fearing. Which is really good, considering Windows 8 sets the dpi to 125% by default.

I suspect some people may be getting font challenges because they changed their default font size in their browser, though.

30Crypto-Willobie
Edited: Jul 4, 2013, 10:30pm Top

-- Is anyone else having the problem of module remaining expanded (instead of appearing only as 'bars') when in Reorder mode? This makes reordering difficult. It wasn't this way yesterday. I posted it in Home Page Bugs ( http://www.librarything.com/topic/156007 posts 131, 133) to almost no response. Am I missing something?

-- Your Tags (module). On the Old Home Page the "Your Tags" heading was also a link to the "real" tags page where they could be edited, etc.
The would be very useful for the new Your Tags module. True, you can click See All x# Tags and it will list them all for you right there on your dashboard, but not in editable form. Also, if you have reordered your tags module from numerical to alphabetical and then click on See All if show you All ONLY in numerical view. The All view should match that of the module setting. I guess this last bit belongs in Bugs but it's really the live heading I long for.

-- Talk (Forums) module. I regularly click back and forth between Your Group and Your Posts. If I set Your Groups to show 25 posts and then click over to Your Posts the list reverts to just 10. So then I fix Your Posts to show 25, but when I click back to Your Groups that has now reverted to only 10. And so on, back and forth. Anyone notice this? I guess I'll post this in New Home Bugs too.

(The New Home Bugs... they were pretty good... I saw them open for The Clash once...)

31keristars
Jul 4, 2013, 10:46pm Top

30> Yes, I was seeing the reorder thing, too. Yesterday it compressed to bars for easy arranging, today they're all expanded modules.

32Collectorator
Jul 4, 2013, 10:50pm Top

30, NHB. Whatever happened to them? :D

33Collectorator
Jul 5, 2013, 6:51am Top

Should we make RSIs based on the New Home Page here in this thread, or start an RSI thread?

34nandadevi
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 12:14pm Top

For Consideration:

Just a glitchy thing when operating in the 'Recently Added' module (and others, I suspect). The initial presentation of the module which details the books I've recently added is thus:



Note that I have placed the mouse pointer on the 'next' option. When I click, this will scroll in the next 10 (or so) book covers, and the next 10 and so forth for as long as I keep clicking on 'next'. I can review all of the books I've added, all the way back to the first. Which is cool and useful to be able to do this on the Home page. However, AFTER I click on the 'next' option and the the next 10 covers scroll in, the mouse pointer is now sitting on the 'prev' option. Because the text on the screen has subtly changed underneath the pointer from '( next )' to '( prev | next )'. See below:



Note that it wasn't the mouse pointer that moved, but the screen layout that moved behind it. So I have to move the mouse pointer to the right to be able to click on 'next' if I want to load the next 10 books. If I simply click without moving the pointer, I find that I have inadvertently selected the 'prev' option and end up with the first 10 books again. Going in circles as it were. The automatic assumption is that if you have clicked on the option 'next' on the first screen, then simply clicking again (without moving the mouse pointer) will repeat the same operation - but between the initial and the second screen it doesn't work this way. Between the second and all subsequent screen of course it does work this way because the underlying text stays the same from that point forward '(next | prev)'.

The solution would be to rewrite the text in the initial condition of the 'Recently Added' module so that the 'next' option on the initial condition of the 'Recently Added' module then aligned with the 'next' option on the 2nd and subsequent presentations of the module, thus:

'1-14 of 5,854           ( next )'   - Initial presentation....
'1-14 of 5,854 ( prev | next )'   - 2nd and subsequent presentations....

or

'1-14 of 5,854 (         | next )'   - Initial presentation....
'1-14 of 5,854 ( prev | next )'   - 2nd and subsequent presentations....

or

As omargosh points out in message 35, just have the 'prev' option always there, except greyed out and inactivated on the initial presentation (because it is meant to be inoperative at that point). I agree with omargosh that this might be the easiest way of coding it. Lining up blank spaces on web pages is awfully tricky. As can be seen above, I don't quite get it right.

Mouse clicking is part of the 'feel' of an webpage, and the inadvertent circularity of my (forgiveable) 'mindless' clicking choice is disorientating, and the need to shift the mouse pointer between the initial selection of 'next' and the 2nd selection of 'next' is additional work. Consequently I'd respectfully request your consideration of this design adjusment.

For Further Consideration:

I ought to keep things simple here by steering away from a discussion about whether a scrolling option that takes you to earlier items (such as 'Recently Added does with the 'next' option), shouldn't in fact call up to the screen those items via a click-option titled 'prev'. It gets down to whether you think you are calling up the 'next' screen, or the 'prev' items. I think we used to get around this problem by saying 'newer' and 'older' (which suggests you are looking at items rather than screens), but there's a lot of different thoughts about this. The joy of screen design... it'd slipped my minds after all these decades away from the business...

Firefox 21.0
Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit.
Gnome 3.4.2 Classic View

35omargosh
Jul 5, 2013, 10:03am Top

34 >
This trips me up with some regularity on the community tag pages. My preference would be to have "prev" always be there, but just disabled/grayed-out/just-text when it's not a valid option. I imagine this would also be easier to implement than leaving an empty space for "prev".

36kathi
Jul 5, 2013, 10:05am Top

Old person here. Larger fonts almost always better than smaller fonts. Just sayin'...

37keristars
Jul 5, 2013, 10:10am Top

Hard-coded large fonts can be troublesome, though, as I discovered when the Homepage text sizes didn't scale well with my phone's browser... (HTC One, Firefox for android)

38copyedit52
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 10:18am Top

Are you and your people bored, Tim? The weight and dimension of books? A new design? Why don't you leave well enough alone and maybe take up a hobby?

39Herenya
Jul 5, 2013, 10:39am Top

I'd prefer the font to be a little smaller on the homepage. Or perhaps just more consistent between modules.

With the recommendations modules, could hovering over the cover reveal the author as well as the title? That would be useful - more so than revealing the ISBN.

40MrsLee
Jul 5, 2013, 11:09am Top

A quick note, loving the changes, am using my Home page for the first time ever, and the colors are wonderful. Only, did you decide to intensify the pink of the private comments to make up for the lack of Band-aid pink at the top? :) As for font size, I like big fonts, I cannot lie.

41jasbro
Jul 5, 2013, 12:00pm Top

Comments #1, post 49: "It didn't come together as it should. We're a little over-taxed." FWIW, I appreciate that bit of info and acknowledgment, timspalding; it actually helps my perspective, and I'm more willing to go with it. LT generally means well and affords the best sandbox around, but the "surprise" roll-out late last Tuesday afternoon (was I oblivious to a heads-up?), suddenly being faced with volumes of new design and reconfigurations, was not-at-all what I wanted when looking to spend just a few relaxed minutes among friends in a familiar setting. Now that I've resolved to follow (most) of the comments and figure out how we now do what I knew to do -- and maybe some more stuff (like Member Gallery and Junk Drawer?), I may even get around to changing my "do you like it" votes. Take care of y'all's selves, and keep doing good work.

42ryvre
Jul 5, 2013, 12:38pm Top

Overall, I really like it! I love how customizable it is. The new color scheme looks great on my monitor.

1- I'm so glad tag watch is back! I do wish it worked with tagmashes, though, but I'm happy with it as is if that's too taxing on the system.

2- I wish there was a way to delete modules off the sub pages. (Or maybe there is and I just haven't found it.) I can't imagine the "Your Library Over Time" graph ever being useful to me, so I'd like to relegate it to the unused page.

3- Any chance we could get a module for our recent recommendations like the one for recent reviews we've written?

4- It would be really awesome if we could have multiple instances of a module on the same page with different settings. I'd love to stack a few tag watches on top of each other.

5- I can have different instances of modules on the dashboard and on their default page, and I can choose different settings for them, but I can't choose different viewing options (titles, covers, shelf). Not sure if this is intended or a bug...

43keristars
Jul 5, 2013, 12:40pm Top

42> I wish there was a way to delete modules off the sub pages. (Or maybe there is and I just haven't found it.)

Just get them to turn into NMY and they'll be gone! Replaced by an unsightly blank area, but they'll be banished to the Unused page. ;)

Hopefully Tim can figure out what's causing that and fix it, and even give us a way to remove it. Otherwise, your best bet is to move it to the bottom of the page.

A way to collapse the modules would probably be super useful. I can't imagine finding any use for "Your Library Over Time", either, unless it's for funsies or has more things I can view in the chart form, like reviews or average rating, or instead of a cumulative chart, something more discrete.

44JGKC
Jul 5, 2013, 1:24pm Top

re: Being able to delete modules off the sub pages

This is something that I want too (I think I asked about it way back on the first page of this or the other comments topic, I assume it got lost in the barrage of comments =).

But it would be very useful to essentially have one fully custom page and several other semi-custom pages!

45elenchus
Jul 5, 2013, 2:04pm Top

Standard caveat: haven't read every single comment so if duplicative my apologies.

Now that the modules are working on the Dashboard, I added the ER and Member Giveaway modules. Suggestion: under settings, allow the filters already provided from the main ER / Member Giveaway page, namely by format (paper / ebook / audio). I don't see that option currently.

46nandadevi
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 3:04pm Top

Re 408 on the old topic > I'm guessing but either there's some maintenance work going on or something rather unexpected has happened. I too am now looking a pretty much empty Home page (and all of the pages with Modules on them are also coming up as empty shells). I thought I might go away and read a book for a while and check back in later.

ALL FIXED NOW. Just a glitch on the road to the eternal sunshine of a spotless webpage. Amusingly I pressed 'restore to defaults' (just about the only thing visible on the Home Page at the time), and well, it worked. Re-customising my home page again. Kind of entertaining really...

47rainpebble
Jul 5, 2013, 4:04pm Top

I like the new look. I generally am change resistant and so I was surprised that I do like the new changes. I have waited a few days to speak up so that I could give it a good go and so far I am finding that I am able to get where I want to go & do what I want to do.
I will say that I do like the larger font but that is 65 year old eyes talking so whatever you decide to do there will work for me as I can enlarge it for myself when I sign in.
Thanks for all the time and effort our team put in on this. I have been on L.T. since 2007 and think that it IS time for a new look. Everything changes and we need to be able to adapt, difficult as it seems at times. Yes, I like it.

48Boobalack
Edited: Jul 5, 2013, 9:48pm Top

Somebody in the first thread posted about not being able to use LT now at work. I got a chuckle out of that. Aren't you supposed to be, um -- I dunno, working while at work? ::Laffin'::

49krazy4katz
Jul 5, 2013, 10:13pm Top

Working at work?? That is so last century. ;-)

50sjmccreary
Jul 5, 2013, 11:44pm Top

I haven't read the entire 2 threads to date so apologies if I'm repeating something already hashed.

My initial reactions, after looking around a bit:

- The font is TOO BIG
- There is too much blank space on the home page (and a ridiculous amount on the your feed screen - that's just an ugly page)
- Would prefer to have modules in 2 or more columns, as with a newspaper - I like being able to skim more than one item as I scan down the page
- Recommendations modules - why can't these lists be in 2 columns, as with connection news?
- I like being able to get stuff I'm not interested in off the home page
- I agree with one person who stated that there is not as much info "above the fold" as before

Maybe more, but I'm trying not to automatically hate everything just because it's different.

51lyzard
Jul 5, 2013, 11:49pm Top

#48 & #49

Occasionally, yes; but there's no need to get carried away!

52TomWingfield
Jul 6, 2013, 12:42am Top

I think the font size for meta-data should be significantly smaller. E.g., things like Library of Congress Cataloguing Information, tags, and the like. The default size should be 12px, headers should be slightly bigger--14-16px bold would be good.

53VivienneR
Jul 6, 2013, 2:10am Top

I appreciate all the work that went into improving the site, but the font size for the Talk module on the dashboard is TOO BIG. I found it so annoying that I moved it lower down so that I wouldn't see it every time I opened the page.

54mysterymax
Jul 6, 2013, 12:53pm Top

I am going to do an "about face". My first reaction to the changes were that I really disliked it.

But now, I am happy to change my feelings - the ability to customize my home pages is so great that it overcomes the one-column look. (Maybe when you get the time, lol, you can add some comments from your end in those side panels so it doesn't look so bleak... maybe notices of threads you really want us to all see...etc.)

I have come to like the color, and the font size.

What I would like to see added is a VERY visible way to spot your comments in a thread.

55sjmccreary
Jul 7, 2013, 12:06am Top

After another day with the new home page, and I still don't like it much. I especially hate not being able to see more than one thing at a time. Smaller fonts, less empty ("white" - bleh) space, more than one column. These are the things I want. I'm a reader - give me something to read!

56Talvitar
Jul 7, 2013, 6:31am Top

I don't know if this has been asked before but what about different language sites & translation?
At the moment there are several items on the Dashboard that can't be translated - when I click on "translate", these items can't be found there.
E.g. under 'your books' I have
3,048 kirjaa | 12 collections | 354 avainsanaa | 1,361 authors | 243 ratings
so some are in English, some in Finnish.
Also 'reorder' can't be found.
I added MWYB to Dashboard - it was in Finnish in its original location in Connection News but when added, it lost the translation. Again, can't be found in 'translate'.
Is this a bug or are the language sites & Dashboard still being worked on?

57Crypto-Willobie
Jul 7, 2013, 10:26am Top

re Tag Watch...

I'm just fiddling with this for the first time. Would it make sense to have it exclude one's own use of the tags in question? For instance, I entered a not very common tag which I use a lot so that I could see who else uses it -- and I have to click through pages and pages and pages of my own entries in order to find the others. I already know that I use it, so that info is just noise.

58PhaedraB
Jul 7, 2013, 4:18pm Top

57 > Tag watch is really just for new uses of the tag. Watching for it to appear, as it were. If there are pages and pages of just your use, you must be the most recent person to use it for a long time.

To see who else has used it not so recently, you might do better on the Tag page for that page.

But if someone else uses the tag in the future, it will turn up on your Tag Watch.

59cyderry
Jul 7, 2013, 8:38pm Top

I like the new home page but would like to see the following:

1) no white - can we have soft sand color to go with the Chocolate
white really hurts my eyes
2) would like to see the hot reviews back on the right side
3) a larger picture in the "Your Books"
4) add ratings to the reviews

60ReneeMarie
Jul 7, 2013, 9:22pm Top

Just an FYI: I get that I'm a dinosaur (netbook + dialup), but with these changes LibraryThing is taking up more of my life -- and not in a good way.

I'm not sure how much besides the interface has changed, but the site loads MUCH more slowly for me now. And it was never that speedy to begin with.

On my device, the search box also covers Zeitgeist starting at the end of the second "e."

Sorry if some of this has been covered. I didn't really have time for each page to finish loading, and then to read everything on every page. :-(

61brightcopy
Jul 7, 2013, 9:45pm Top

#60 by ReneeMarie> It'd be good to dig into what's causing that, as all the changes they've done have actually slimmed down the site, generally resulting in quicker loading times for everyone. So if you're getting slower times and it's not something on your system/connection, it'd be worth figuring out.

62jjwilson61
Jul 7, 2013, 10:50pm Top

I wonder if it's just because of the new code which has to be downloaded anew instead of using the old cached code. If so, then you should see an improvement to the speed the second and subsequent times that you access the same pages.

63keristars
Jul 7, 2013, 10:53pm Top

I dunno. It's still kind of slow for me - I think it's just that it appears to be more slow, because of the dynamic loading, but it's actually the same speed.

64brightcopy
Jul 7, 2013, 11:07pm Top

#63 by keristars> I thought the old home page also loaded everything dynamically.

65keristars
Edited: Jul 7, 2013, 11:17pm Top

64> Did it? Now I'm forgetting. It wasn't as obvious to me, at least, and didn't have the feel of waiting for the loading icons to stop spinning.

Maybe I had it set so there weren't as many things on it, too.

ETA: Of course, now that I think about it, how could it not have been? I remember waiting for my talk + recently added sections to load, but it did seem like others were much swifter, so that I didn't even notice. It has to be a perception thing, anyway, or maybe the way it's done now really is a bit slower.

66connie53
Jul 8, 2013, 4:32am Top

> 60: On my device, the search box also covers Zeitgeist starting at the end of the second "e."

I did have the same problem. But I figured it out. I had my screen at 125%. Now I've moved it back to 110% everything is okay, but the font is smaller of course.

When I use IE I can't see the upper part where the row with the links to profile, help and 'translate' are. In Chrome I can see them just fine. But I can live with that ;-)

67_Zoe_
Jul 8, 2013, 7:27am Top

>64 brightcopy: But with the new homepage, you have to look at things in order. If one of your first few modules is slow to load, you stop and wait; whereas with the old homepage, you could easily just glance at something else first.

68gennyt
Jul 8, 2013, 8:04am Top

#67 That's a good point - I have mainly always used the Home Page for getting to talk, but if/when the Talk module was being slow to load, I would glance at 'On This Day', or Hot Reviews, or other things I'd customised to have near the top of the right column, so there was always something to read while waiting for the rest to load.

69ForeignCircus
Jul 8, 2013, 8:45am Top

I wish there was a module that allowed Cover Guess to appear on the home page. I love it, but tend to forget about it for long periods of time, and I suspect lots of new people don't know anything about it and will never stumble upon it.

I added Cover Guess as a Quick Link, but really wish there was a way to increase its visibility on the site...

70gennyt
Jul 8, 2013, 1:40pm Top

Now that I'm getting more used to it, and have rearranged the dashboard as much as possible to be how I like it, I'm beginning to enjoy the new arrangement better, including some of the new features.

One of the best new things in my view is the 'Your Quick Links', which I've added near the top of my Dashboard - very useful for getting directly in one click to some of the less-easily accessible parts of the site. Currently I've got a link to the first post in this topic to remind me where all the stuff is located in the new home pages. I'll probably be able to delete that link soon. I've also set up links to the Lists home page, and to the Cover Guess game/feature. I didn't even realise the latter was still ongoing, as there is no obvious link to it in any of the tabs as far as I can see, but someone mentioned it and now I have an easy way of finding it again.

So especial thanks for this aspect of the new home which - if we bother to use it - allows us to have easy access to whichever parts of the site we want to find quickly.

71ksnider
Jul 8, 2013, 5:09pm Top

How can I find all of my series?

72Collectorator
Jul 8, 2013, 5:14pm Top

73Linkmeister
Jul 8, 2013, 8:49pm Top

It was a heckuva surprise, but it looks like it'll work just fine for me, especially now that the "site map" data has been published above in comment #1.

74timspalding
Jul 9, 2013, 6:10am Top

How can I find all of my series?

I've added it to the "Your books" module on the home page too.

75connie53
Jul 9, 2013, 6:58am Top

Nice, Tim. That's a really good add.

76timspalding
Jul 9, 2013, 7:01am Top

My worry is that we'll get a spike in bad edits—you know how CK info isn't "yours" in the same way, and this doesn't always get through to people. But we'll see.

77lorax
Jul 9, 2013, 10:56am Top

You know what would be a really neat module? A map showing where all your authors are from! (Hint, hint.)

(I'll be shocked if this works, but it's worth a try.)

78elenchus
Edited: Jul 9, 2013, 11:54am Top

>76 timspalding:

I tried it, like this view option.

When I clicked through to a specific series, then returned to the Series page using the backward arrow, I was at My Books default view, but the pulldown still read "Series". That is, the page didn't show my series, but individual books. Clicking on Series again refreshed the output, so I saw my series as expected. Not sure that's a bug but it's not what I expected.

79_Zoe_
Jul 9, 2013, 1:42pm Top

I'd still like to see "What Members Read Recently" based on the reading dates.

Also, "New and Popular" (OPD this month/year, and # of members).

80PatsyMurray
Edited: Jul 9, 2013, 10:04pm Top

I thought I was going to be okay with the new design, but I just hate it. Truly. I want to know what the books are so I can choose which ones to investigate as potential reads for myself. I get that I can run my mouse over the cover and see the title, but that doesn't tell me the author. I am so upset about this I feel like forgetting about the recommendations and that was one of my favorite parts of Library Thing. Plus, I know I'm not supposed to comment on the colors, but for good measure, I don't like them either.

81elenchus
Jul 9, 2013, 10:12pm Top

>80 PatsyMurray:

You're aware you can change the view to show lists (Title, Author) rather than the book cover? Of course, it won't change the new colour scheme.

82lilithcat
Jul 9, 2013, 10:13pm Top

> 80

If you use "text" rather than "covers" for recommendations, you'll see the author.

83timspalding
Jul 9, 2013, 10:52pm Top

I get that I can run my mouse over the cover and see the title, but that doesn't tell me the author. I am so upset about this I feel like forgetting about the recommendations and that was one of my favorite parts of Library Thing.

Change to show the text. It has the title and author, as before.

84JerryMmm
Jul 10, 2013, 8:34am Top

Timspalding the series page from the home your books module you just added has no chocolate bar. the other pages do.

85_Zoe_
Jul 10, 2013, 8:40am Top

>83 timspalding: Have you considered adding an option to see title and author and cover? Many of the other modules do this.

87brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 10:49am Top

A few comments on the title|cover|shelf options:

It seems like the "title" option could really benefit from having a setting for columns. So many of the other sections do this. I know the title/author/date gets a bit longer but I think it'd still be good to have it at least try two columns if the screen is wide enough (maybe with a setting that lets you override it and tell it always 1 column if you wish).

I feel like this:


is much nicer than this:


Second, I kind of wish there was a cover + title option like "Most recent activity" on the profile. Especially with two (or more) columns. Like:

88brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 10:51am Top

Also, I really like how these covers are our BOOK covers. I wish the "Most recent activity" on the profile would also do that, rather than use work covers.

(And of course everywhere in CK, but I imagine that's harder.)

89_Zoe_
Jul 10, 2013, 10:53am Top

>87 brightcopy: Yes! That two-column format with cover, title, and author is exactly what I want to see for all the modules. We already have this for Connection News.

90Nicole_VanK
Jul 10, 2013, 11:02am Top

Not a biggy, but I liked it that recommendations told me if / when there were new ones. Any chance of getting that back?

91norabelle414
Jul 10, 2013, 11:05am Top

>87 brightcopy: I looooove that covers & titles format.

92Vivl
Jul 10, 2013, 11:12am Top

>91 norabelle414: Agree. I would use that in a flash.

93_Zoe_
Jul 10, 2013, 11:44am Top

On the other hand, for the Connection News subpage, I'd like an option to show only a single column, but with more information. Since there's only one thing on that page, I don't really care how much vertical space it takes up (as long as there's not wasteful vertical white space, or something). Given that there's more than fits on a single screen, so some scrolling will be required in any case, it would actually be easier just to have one vertical list. The extra horizontal space could potentially show general work information: number of members, number of reviews, average rating.

94Collectorator
Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 12:01pm Top

69, 70, I can't find Cover Guess right now. Someone linked it a few days ago, and I started playing again. It was fun. Now I can't find it. May I have a link, please? I want to add it to my Home Links.

ok, never mind. I found it.
http://www.librarything.com/coverguess.php
It was too easy.

95Crypto-Willobie
Jul 10, 2013, 12:18pm Top

Since we're speaking of two columns... I was holding off on this, but I think that Quick Links would also benefit from being two columns. The names of the links (mine, anyway) are not very long and there's a lot of white space between the link name and the edit icon. i'm liking and using the Quick Links module but I hesitate to put too many links in it as it is lest it take up too much vertical space.

96Collectorator
Jul 10, 2013, 12:37pm Top

95, agree completely. I'm making the title to my links very short. I have room for columns, for sure.

o, btw, you're putting these on your Divingboard, right?

97Crypto-Willobie
Jul 10, 2013, 12:38pm Top

My DashRipRock...

98timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 12:41pm Top

The recently-added now goes into columns:



The number of columns is algorithmically determined, based on space.

You can shut it off here:



I have not yet extended this to modules that are about isbns or works, not books. But I can, once we agree on it.

99brightcopy
Edited: Jul 10, 2013, 1:40pm Top

#98 by timspalding> Cool! Thanks for the quick turnaround. Slight problem with it, though. The right column has more spacing between titles than the left. Not as noticeable in yours due to your titles wrapping, but check this out:

100timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 1:50pm Top

_Zoe_ : Have you considered adding an option to see title and author and cover? Many of the other modules do this.

I'm wary. It already has covers | shelf | titles. To this we add "both"? Too many options?

brightcopy: #84 by JerryMmm> Yeah. The link is currently
http://www.librarything.com/catalog_memberseries.php?view=brightcopy
but should be
http://www.librarything.com/memberseries/brightcopy


Fixed. Thanks.

It seems like the "title" option could really benefit from having a setting for columns.

Added.

>87 brightcopy: I looooove that covers & titles format.

Urgh. Okay, I think I might need to do it.

>91 norabelle414: Agree. I would use that in a flash.

Curse you all.

I can't find Cover Guess right now

There's a link on the helpers.

I think that Quick Links would also benefit from being two columns

Meh. Normally I can put things in columns because I know what's there. But here… well, you can put ANYTHING there. It makes me wary.

Slight problem with it, though. The right column has more spacing between titles than the left. Not as noticeable in yours due to your titles wrapping, but check this out:

Weird. Fixing.

Not a biggy, but I liked it that recommendations told me if / when there were new ones. Any chance of getting that back?

Yeah, so the problem here is "What resets the newness?" Seeing the module? Going to visit the recommendations page? I find this a very tricky problem. Is there an easy answer?

nandadevi : Just a glitchy thing when operating in the 'Recently Added' module (and others, I suspect). The initial presentation of the module which details the books I've recently added is thus…

It's nice to see you discuss the issue at such length. I suggest you would enjoy the O'Reilly book Microinteractions.

To you point, I think that spacing out the next like you suggest is a bad option. The most common view of these things is as-is, without going either previous or next. It would look odd. Now, it could be done if the prev | next had a secure, anchored place--like the middle of a longer bar. But it its current position, which is contingent on what's to the left, the extra space would look bad.

Now, we COULD change it to prev | next with the "prev" being grayed out and inactive. That would allow the spacing to work without introducing an awkward lacuna. (I just noticed omargosh suggested this too.)

There would still, however, be a price--chrome junk. Another element would be added, and another type of element, namely a different color and lack of functionality for a disabled element. Of course nobody would "notice" but distraction has an effect. On balance, I find that a higher price to pay than the possibility of someone clicking without moving their mouse.

Are you and your people bored, Tim? The weight and dimension of books? A new design? Why don't you leave well enough alone and maybe take up a hobby?

De gustibus non est disputandum, my good man.

I don't know if this has been asked before but what about different language sites & translation?

Thanks. I'll do a sweep later.

Would it make sense to have it exclude one's own use of the tags in question?

Good idea. I'm working on that now.

Also, I really like how these covers are our BOOK covers. I wish the "Most recent activity" on the profile would also do that, rather than use work covers.

Yes. That stuff is being phased out in favor of new feed-based logic. So, it's coming.

101eromsted
Jul 10, 2013, 3:12pm Top

I posted this in the first thread but it seemed to pass with no comment. I don't really have anything else, but I thought I'd try one more time.

A few thoughts:

The new dashboard page feels more customizable and I like the way I've set it up. I also particularly like the about you page which gathers information that I formerly found on the profile page in what feels to me a more accessible manner.

I don't mind the overall verticality as my MacBook touchpad makes scrolling really easy.

I think I would like to have modules set off from each other a bit more than I get from the grey title bars. One problem with fast scrolling is you need strong visual cues to know where to stop.

The freely editable Quick Links module is great but there's way too much white space. There needs to be some option for having more than one link per line.

In Connection News the cover pictures do not fill the space created for each entry. Either the covers should be bigger or the entries could be made smaller by putting the member name reviewed, stars and the link to the review all on one line.

I love the publication date filter for the resurrected Tag Watch (I hope this is a sign publication dates can be integrated into other features as well ... nudge, nudge). I'd also like to have a way to filter out books in my catalog. I also feel that that module could be tightened up visually.

There's something wrong with the Local Events module. I'm not quite sure what it is displaying, but it's not the events list found on my local page and I would think they should be the same. And while I'm on this feature, the text filters for local events have always been impossibly buried (profile page->edit profile->local). There should be easier access to the filter settings from both the main local page and the home page events module.

I like the quick summary and access to the Helpers pages but I don't like the listing of my rank. It feels too competitive. I know I could always work it out from the helpers lists, but that felt more like a simple display of information, not like, well, a competitive ranking. Also, I think it would be natural to have a module for badges in this section.

Overall, job well done.

102elenchus
Jul 10, 2013, 3:19pm Top

This has been (and the LT team continues to build onto) a really major upgrade. As you say, de gustibus ... but I think it very clearly is an improvement, not merely a change.

You need a major summary presentation of all the changes. Not sure how to get that for you, even our crowd-sourced efforts at summarizing are limited. So just stating, not requesting: attention must be paid.

103divinenanny
Jul 10, 2013, 3:34pm Top

Yay columns!!! I'd love them on hot right now and what members are reading. :)

104jjwilson61
Jul 10, 2013, 4:07pm Top

I'm wary. It already has covers | shelf | titles. To this we add "both"? Too many options?

Dump shelf then, it doesn't really add anything.

105timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 4:12pm Top

You need a major summary presentation of all the changes. Not sure how to get that for you, even our crowd-sourced efforts at summarizing are limited. So just stating, not requesting: attention must be paid.

We know. Things are harder with Conceptdawg in and out and Jeremy on half-time. But it needs to get done. I'm hoping to do a big write-up as soon as most of the big bugs are dead.

106timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 5:28pm Top

I've added the ability to see only member giveaway books in the media you choose--like just paper. See the settings for the LTMG module.

107elenchus
Jul 10, 2013, 6:57pm Top

108timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 7:42pm Top

I've added a "LibraryThing Roulette" module under "Helpers," since it's often used for that purpose. It has all sorts of new random things to click.

109ELiz_M
Jul 10, 2013, 8:11pm Top

>87 brightcopy: Oooh that's pretty

Thanks for columns in the "recently added" module! Any chance of getting columns in the text view of both "recent recommendations" modules? Please?

110timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 8:26pm Top

Will think on.

111dudes22
Jul 10, 2013, 8:47pm Top

I almost never used the home page before, but I do think I like this.

But - didn't I have 3 columns on the dashboard at some point over the last few days? I seem to be missing the right hand column with the news feed from LT. Did I get rid of it somehow without knowing I did? Can I get it back?

112brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 9:12pm Top

#111 by dudes22> If your window is resized small enough (and really, not that small), the Top News column disappears. And there's a bug where it decides not to show back up even when you embiggen your window again:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156292#4189909

113timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 9:13pm Top

Thanks for columns in the "recently added" module! Any chance of getting columns in the text view of both "recent recommendations" modules? Please?

Done. Added. Thanks.

114timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 9:14pm Top

If your window is resized small enough (and really, not that small), the Top News column disappears. And there's a bug where it decides not to show back up even when you embiggen your window again:

If you refresh, it'll appear.

I need ConceptDawg to do better here.

115brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 9:32pm Top

#114 by timspalding> Yeah, not always. I'm not sure what the conditions are but it's reproducible through at least one refresh. And earlier today it went for at least several minutes where a refresh didn't make it show back up. At that point I stopped fiddling with it. But when I brought it back up to answer that question (Chrome was closed), it still didn't show back up. And we're talking a window that's over 1000px wide.

116brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 9:33pm Top

Similarly, there's a lag between when I make it small, then reload and when it DISappears.

117brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 10:28pm Top

I like the two column title views, but the spacing seems a bit off, especially as compared to other modules. It's quite a bit more sparse:



Though I DO like the smaller space between the secondary header and the list content.

At some point, do you think you'll centralize the code? It seems like all the title|covers|shelf widgets could be using the same code (with a parameter for numbered or un-numbered).

It's also unfortunate that sometimes the list can get really lopsided. Sometimes one side can have around four lines more than the other. Very much an aesthetic objection but you don't have to tell me why you did it that way. I can sympathize. I wish their was a good way to apply the CSS3 multi-column stuff (and would it even handle this situation better? not positive) but have it fall back to something workable.

Maybe when you move to jQuery, you can use the Columnizer program and save yourself some headaches.

Of course, maybe it's an unsolvable problems due to the nature of the wrapping titles. And would it actually be better to balance the columns so they were the same height if it resulted in 6 multiline items on the left and 14 single line ones on the right? Can't say I know for sure.

One aesthetic thing you COULD solve, though - put your nifty column break borders between the columns like you do on Your Tags, Your Collections, etc. Or do you think they're too fiddly for title lists?

118brightcopy
Jul 10, 2013, 10:34pm Top

#114 by timspalding> Here's a screenshot, even:



Note the tiny left nav font. I figured out this was part of the dynamic resize-to-fit logic. But it seems to be stuck just like the right-column is stuck. I've reloaded several times.

119timspalding
Jul 10, 2013, 11:53pm Top

I've revamped the homepage talk module. It has all the major sections, and is independent of the Talk page itself. I think it's basically what people have always wanted. Let me know if you find problems.

120brightcopy
Jul 11, 2013, 12:55am Top

Oooh, nice. This may actually make me rethink only using the Talk tab...

121gennyt
Jul 11, 2013, 12:59am Top

Oh dear! I see the new tabs in Talk Module, but you've taken away my two most frequently used Tabs: My Starred and Started by Me. I know they are on the full Talk page but can we have them back here too please? This (My Starred) is the most important place on LT for me.

122Nicole_VanK
Jul 11, 2013, 2:10am Top

> 100: Yeah, so the problem here is "What resets the newness?" Seeing the module? Going to visit the recommendations page? I find this a very tricky problem. Is there an easy answer?

Gotcha. Okay: live, learn, adapt... No worries.

123Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jul 11, 2013, 3:02am Top

Speaking of recommendations: Member recommendations now seems to show me recommendations based on books I don't have. For example: "The Eyre Affair by Jasper Fforde (Jun 12) - Recommended by deepikasd for Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë". (Yes, shame on me, I do not actually have a copy of Jane Eyre myself).

Upon checking it turns out that that book was also recommended, some time ago, for books I do have. So it's not like I don't get why it shows up at all. But the current presentation looks a bit weird.

124gennyt
Jul 11, 2013, 3:42am Top

#121 Thank you, thank you!! Missing tabs are back again, I can breathe!

125divinenanny
Jul 11, 2013, 4:20am Top

I don't know where I saw the announcement message, but just a general thank you for the columns in title display for several modules!

126mysterymax
Jul 11, 2013, 6:19am Top

#118 That is a nice screen shot, but how come it says LibraryThing in that nice logo and all I get is a big L in a box - there's plenty of room on my bar.... can I have LibraryThing, too?

127connie53
Jul 11, 2013, 6:23am Top

I don't know if it has been asked before, but since yesterday my homepage is completly empty and white. I only see the brownish bar with home - my books - add books and such things. I have to click on dashboard to see things. Do I have to adjust anything?

128dudes22
Jul 11, 2013, 6:33am Top

>112 brightcopy:/114: dinosaur here - I don't think I did anything to resize it small ( I'm on an iPad) and I don't know how to make it bigger. I'm going to look when I get to work and see if it's there when I log in from work.

Meanwhile - I've had 2 sessions open and been reading through the posts and trying things out, and I think I'm really liking this - speaking as a dinosaur:)

129ELiz_M
Jul 11, 2013, 7:32am Top

>110 timspalding: I like your thinking. Especially when it leads to implementing the requested change! :D

Thanks!

130brightcopy
Jul 11, 2013, 9:29am Top

#126 by mysterymax> The top bar changes itself on the fly as your window gets more narrow. This is to avoid the different tabs/elements overlapping each other. One of the changes is that the LibraryThing logo becomes an L icon. Try making your browser window wider (or if you're on a mobile device, switch to landscape) and you'll see.

131lorax
Jul 11, 2013, 9:31am Top

123>

I am seeing the same thing. Three of my "recent member recommendations" in the module are allegedly based on books I do not own. All of those were at some point recommended for books that I do own, but not recently. If I had to guess I'd say that it's pulling dates and based-on information for the most recent recommendation overall, not the most recent one for a book that I own. I do not see this in the main Recommendations page, and the entire set of "member recommendations" in the module has changed since you added this information, and is now entirely different from those listed in the main page.

132rebeccanyc
Jul 11, 2013, 9:35am Top

I just noticed that numbers have been added under my Recently Added books (I have it in cover view with date added turned off), where 1 is my most recently added book, and so on. I don't like this! If this is a feature some people would like, I don't have a problem with that, but I'd like a way to turn it off the way I can turn off the date added feature.

133AndreasJ
Jul 11, 2013, 10:31am Top

132 > Currently, I'm seeing the numbers, and no dates, despite having the dates turned on. So I think it's a bug.

134timspalding
Jul 11, 2013, 12:55pm Top

I don't know if it has been asked before, but since yesterday my homepage is completly empty and white. I only see the brownish bar with home - my books - add books and such things. I have to click on dashboard to see things. Do I have to adjust anything?

Are you using a non-English domain?

Speaking of recommendations: Member recommendations now seems to show me recommendations based on books I don't have.

Yup. Fixed. Apologies.

I just noticed that numbers have been added under my Recently Added books

Fixed.

135connie53
Jul 11, 2013, 1:27pm Top

> 134
Yes, the Dutch one.

136connie53
Jul 11, 2013, 3:22pm Top

>134 timspalding: - Yes! Thanks. It looks okay now. Me happy!

137vy0123
Jul 11, 2013, 6:58pm Top

On IOS when removing a module, at the subsequent dialog box, the raw HTML code is showing through as follows

Remove? (You can get it back later on from the "Unused" page.)

138ryvre
Edited: Jul 12, 2013, 12:19am Top

How often should the tagwatch module update? Mine has been the same for at least a few days. I tried adding a tag I'm watching to one of my books yesterday, and tagwatch hasn't updated yet.

139keristars
Jul 12, 2013, 7:59am Top

Can we have an option to turn off the books view on the Early Reviewer module? It takes up too much space, but I don't like having to search for the links to mark books as received and so on.

140divinenanny
Jul 12, 2013, 8:22am Top

Does the books section of the module fill up with other results if there aren't enough with the chosen selection?
I have set the module to display paper in The Netherlands (which is one book this time 'round). But yet I see 8 books. The first is the book available to me, the others aren't available or are e-books.

Please make it so that it only displays the books with the criteria, because now I get false hope that some of these nice books are available to me in paper when they aren't...

141brightcopy
Jul 12, 2013, 10:02am Top

#139 by keristars> Basically, all he'd need to add is another option under "books per column" for "0" or "None".

142timspalding
Jul 12, 2013, 3:13pm Top

I've added the ability to add and remove modules from any page.

See: http://www.librarything.com/topic/156582

143Nicole_VanK
Jul 12, 2013, 3:30pm Top

I know this is just nitpicking, but for tag watch on the home page: could we please get a couple of pixels of space between the covers and the titles? It's not a huge deal, but it currently looks so ugly.

144brightcopy
Jul 12, 2013, 4:04pm Top

I have an idea for another Folly. Perhaps the folliest of all follies: The Random Module.

Why stop at a module that lets you click to random CK facts? Why not a module whose entire content is a random module (that you don't have on this page)?

Maybe I just need to turn up the A/C. It's a hot summer for Minnesota...

145brightcopy
Jul 12, 2013, 4:08pm Top

The "CK facts" link on "Your Zeitgeist" should link to:

http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/changelog.php?user=(your user id)

instead of just the boring (and completely unbrowseable, still!):

http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge

146brightcopy
Jul 12, 2013, 4:10pm Top

Oh god, the heat. The HEAT!

Now I'm struck with the idea for a "Non Sequitur" Folly: It pastes the first sentence of the first post of a random Talk topic from that day.

147mysterymax
Jul 12, 2013, 5:33pm Top

Checked out the new look on my ipad for the first time (Have to drive into town to get WiFi) It was marvelous, absolutely marvelous!

148timspalding
Jul 12, 2013, 8:40pm Top

The "CK facts" link on "Your Zeitgeist" should link to:

Fixed. Thanks. It's the little things.

149bookel
Jul 12, 2013, 11:34pm Top

Not sure if you saw my detailed with cover shot post in the first post, but also wondering about the below that I don't recall being responded to:
Is there a way to click on Recently Added on the Home page in order to see in library catalog view? (Not referring to the titles list on the Home page.)

150bookel
Jul 13, 2013, 12:02am Top

On the Home page, does clicking on "Ignore this topic" (cross) by a Talk topic work for you? For me it did not, and only went to the top of the Home page.

151timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 1:16am Top

Not sure if you saw my detailed with cover shot post in the first post

This one? I think ConceptDawg has fixed the issues there, but it's his bailiwick to fix them, so I'll let him respond there or here.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156004#4179079

Is there a way to click on Recently Added on the Home page in order to see in library catalog view? (Not referring to the titles list on the Home page.)

No. I suppose there could be a way to go into your catalog--available by the tab, of course--but with it pre-sorted in reverse entry order. But I'm not sure this is going to be intuitive to people. What's your thinking?

On the Home page, does clicking on "Ignore this topic" (cross) by a Talk topic work for you? For me it did not, and only went to the top of the Home page.

Fixed now.

152bookel
Jul 13, 2013, 4:34am Top

That's the one. Search box at top right obscured on phone and computer possibly due to zoom or text scaling on phone, % something or other on computer... Someone else mentioned a similar problem and reduced the % but that makes text small and I'd rather not do that. If design
accommodates it that'd be good; search box was available, barely, on old design.

If recently added can be seen on home page with more available to see then
should be fine. I think I saw a more/next button? Saves waiting for catalog to load.

Your collections on home page second column of numbers still overlapped by text on phone view. Is there an ability to choose number of columns where multi columns are?

I think I mentioned tags page looked messy zoomed in. Was OK in old design. But glad the jumping when on mouse over is gone.
Sorry for any ungrammatical-ness but replying by phone and cannot check that page.

153nandadevi
Jul 13, 2013, 6:38am Top

Folies... Perhaps it's a good sign we've out of the woods, enjoying the the green pastures of success where sheperdesses watch their flocks gaze by night, and ponder their delight... Um, well, another one perhaps, inspired by your librarythingaversary, the creation of look-up list of members who joined on the same day as oneself. One's cohort as it were.

And I've always wondered if there's a way of looking up who has ME at the top of THEIR 'Top weighted/raw/recent Members With Your Books'. A sort of reverse look up thing. A possibility? Or possibly involving a lot of crunching to satisfy idle curiosity.

154bookel
Jul 13, 2013, 6:52am Top

Is there a way to search Lists from the home page, or from the Your lists page, by keyword?

155ryvre
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 9:28am Top

It would be nice to have a smaller display option for the "Your Feed" module. Something like 3 or 5, so it doesn't overwhelm the page when it's moved of the Your Feed page.

And a module with our helper badges for the Helpers page would be really nice. Especially if it displayed how far we have to go to the next color.

156brightcopy
Jul 13, 2013, 9:33am Top

Speaking of little things - would you consider using the grabby hand cursors for reordering? Open hand when mousing over the bar, closed hand while dragging. I always felt it was a nice bit of visual feedback. But maybe grabby hand cursors are another of your hot button issues? :D

Or at the very least, you could use the crosshair/arrow cursor you use when dragging modules on work pages.

157Collectorator
Jul 13, 2013, 9:45am Top

I vote yes to a Badges Module and to Grabby Hands.

158casaloma
Jul 13, 2013, 9:48am Top

What is the trick to reordering/ moving modules on a tablet?
'Click and drag' is not working for me on iPad.

159irishsurprise
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 9:54am Top

I was browsing the Early Reviewers list just now on my iPad, and the books you've won/books requested bar was frozen in place. So when I scrolled down, it blocked text on the rest of the page.

ETA: I also meant to say that I really like the new design!

160casvelyn
Jul 13, 2013, 11:29am Top

>153 nandadevi: And I've always wondered if there's a way of looking up who has ME at the top of THEIR 'Top weighted/raw/recent Members With Your Books'. A sort of reverse look up thing. A possibility? Or possibly involving a lot of crunching to satisfy idle curiosity.

Yes! That would be so cool! Although, I'd also just like MWYB to be accurate all the time, instead of changing many, many times a day, often with inaccurate numbers. But that's just me.

161_Zoe_
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 2:34pm Top

The loss of the profile tab is turning out to be more annoying than expected, especially given the position of the home tab. Right next to the home tab there's another large button that takes you to the home page. Meanwhile, the alternative to the profile tab is tiny and not near any place that my cursor might naturally be.

I'd much rather have the profile tab and not the home tab.

162Collectorator
Jul 13, 2013, 1:38pm Top

I think 153 is a good idea. I had never thought about that before. But 160 has it right, too. The MWYB is so funky all the time. Maybe it needs a good swift kick and then can come over and be a shiny module on the New Home.

163LolaWalser
Jul 13, 2013, 1:41pm Top

#161

The loss of the profile tag is turning out to be more annoying than expected, especially given the position of the home tab. Right next to the home tab there's another large button that takes you to the home page. Meanwhile, the alternative to the profile tab is tiny and not near any place that my cursor might naturally be.

I'd much rather have the profile tab and not the home tab.


ditto

164casvelyn
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 2:45pm Top

>162 Collectorator: I've had a bug report open on MWYB since the end of March, since it almost never has the correct information. I manage another LT account for an organization, and oddly, the MWYB for that account doesn't act funky at all.

165brightcopy
Jul 13, 2013, 2:33pm Top

For those bemoaning the movement of the profile link from the left to the right, would your problems be addressed by having one ore more modules to put on Home that are the reason you like to go to Profile?

166schibboleth46
Jul 13, 2013, 2:47pm Top

RE: The loss of the profile tag is turning out to be more annoying than expected, especially given the position of the home tab. Right next to the home tab there's another large button that takes you to the home page. Meanwhile, the alternative to the profile tab is tiny and not near any place that my cursor might naturally be.

I'd much rather have the profile tab and not the home tab.

I second that!

167_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 3:06pm Top

>165 brightcopy: Not really. That would just mean even more scrolling and clicking to get at things. The homepage doesn't display information nearly efficiently enough to be the go-to spot for everything.

168brightcopy
Jul 13, 2013, 3:21pm Top

#167 by _Zoe_> Well, that depends on how the people complaining are using it and what they're missing. I think I know the answers to my questions, but I'd actually like to hear it from the people affected.

169_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 3:26pm Top

>168 brightcopy: I thought I was the one who'd started this discussion. I hadn't realized my opinion didn't count.

170brightcopy
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 3:29pm Top

#169 by _Zoe_> Oh, don't get your crumpet in a twist, Zoe. ;) I just missed that it was you. Usually I find your posts much more memorable. (And that's not an insult, either!)

ETA: Can you cut me a little slack if you know I just wrapped up a birthday party for my two year old? I'm in a post-pizza-and-cake coma.

171_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 3:30pm Top

>170 brightcopy: Yup, don't worry, I'm mostly just amused :D

172brightcopy
Jul 13, 2013, 3:36pm Top

The obvious solution is to make "Library" take you to Home and "Thing" take you to Profile. :D

173casvelyn
Jul 13, 2013, 3:57pm Top

>172 brightcopy: Actually, that's brilliant, although not terribly obvious for anyone who doesn't know about it.

174Nicole_VanK
Jul 13, 2013, 4:05pm Top

> 172: I am NOT a Thing ;-)

175divinenanny
Jul 13, 2013, 4:22pm Top

> 174 While people do consider me a Library....

176Crypto-Willobie
Jul 13, 2013, 4:53pm Top

I am not a crook!

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177timspalding
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 5:01pm Top

Speaking of little things - would you consider using the grabby hand cursors for reordering? Open hand when mousing over the bar, closed hand while dragging. I always felt it was a nice bit of visual feedback. But maybe grabby hand cursors are another of your hot button issues? :D

I looked into it, and I don't think the grabby-hand is the right choice. It's too subtle for most people. So I've gone with a CSS2 one, ns-resize, which is a vertical two-way arrow, which suggests not only "grabbing" but "grab and move up and down."

Search box at top right obscured on phone and computer possibly due to zoom or text scaling on phone

I know some issues linger. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, let's talk about that on the "design" topics. First, it's about design, not the home page. But more importantly we've largely divided up the labor--I'm on home-page issues and ConceptDawg (Chris) is on design issues. The topics and all the bugs and issues are too much for one person to keep up with. But they need to be in the right bow.

Is there a way to search Lists from the home page, or from the Your lists page, by keyword?

Thanks. I've added a new post to Recommended Site Improvements here:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156633

Your collections on home page second column of numbers still overlapped by text on phone view. Is there an ability to choose number of columns where multi columns are?

Can you post a screenshot or describe it very carefully to me? Is the problem that there just isn't enough room in each column--that it's making too many columns for the space--or is part of the text mis-placed.

I'm game to allow you to change things in theory, but the algorithm is pretty generous on space and--what I feared--it's not a case where your collection names are all antidisestablishmentarismbooks or whatever.

If this is about zooming, try zooming and then refreshing?

And I've always wondered if there's a way of looking up who has ME at the top of THEIR 'Top weighted/raw/recent Members With Your Books'. A sort of reverse look up thing. A possibility? Or possibly involving a lot of crunching to satisfy idle curiosity.

Get thee hence, to Recommended Site Improvements. My brain is full here.

It would be nice to have a smaller display option for the "Your Feed" module. Something like 3 or 5, so it doesn't overwhelm the page when it's moved of the Your Feed page.

Click "Settings." You can make it anything from 25 to 1,000.

Update: I've added options for 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20.

And a module with our helper badges for the Helpers page would be really nice. Especially if it displayed how far we have to go to the next color.

Meh. You can see your badges on your profile. I'm wary of up-playing badges too much. Some like them, but they're divisive.

'Click and drag' is not working for me on iPad.

Yeah. It doesn't work. I'm going to have to put a notice or remove the buttons in that case.

I was browsing the Early Reviewers list just now on my iPad, and the books you've won/books requested bar was frozen in place. So when I scrolled down, it blocked text on the rest of the page.

Design, please. Sorry to be a pain.

I'd much rather have the profile tab and not the home tab.

And then home would be a sub-nav-option under profile? That makes no sense and won't happen. Let's try to figure out what you want that makes sense in the information architecture as stake here. Maybe you just want both tabs. But you're not going to get just profile.

For those bemoaning the movement of the profile link from the left to the right, would your problems be addressed by having one ore more modules to put on Home that are the reason you like to go to Profile?

Thank you. You should go into negotiation work.

178timspalding
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 5:02pm Top

I've changed "Quicklinks" into "Notes" and made it go into columns. See http://www.librarything.com/topic/156632

179juliette07
Jul 13, 2013, 5:11pm Top

I am not able to access my Home page please help. I also don't see the new dashboard.

180PhaedraB
Jul 13, 2013, 5:12pm Top

I was very excited about the Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books module, but in practice it isn't very useful to me. I would never choose a new cover without comparing it first to the one I'm already using, and I'd also want to check and/or update any private comment notes I've made about the cover.

I had hoped clicking on the recent cover would take me to the change cover page for that book, but all it gives is the lightbox with the "choose this cover?" query. There's no way that I can find to go to the book itself via the module.

This may have been addressed already, but it's the first time I've tried to use it.

181timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 5:27pm Top

juliette07

When you go http://www.librarything.com/home what do you see?

182timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 5:27pm Top

I was very excited about the Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books module, but in practice it isn't very useful to me. I would never choose a new cover without comparing it first to the one I'm already using, and I'd also want to check and/or update any private comment notes I've made about the cover.

Fair enough. I think it needs to show both. I'll get on it.

183_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 5:34pm Top

And then home would be a sub-nav-option under profile?

No, Home would still be the largest button on the page, the LibraryThing text.

But I'd also be happy with Brightcopy's suggestion to have Library go to Home and Thing to Profile :D

184timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 5:35pm Top

No, Home would still be the largest button on the page, the LibraryThing text.

You can't use a logo as the main way to get to the home page. A significant percentage of web users don't know that convention.

185MerryMary
Jul 13, 2013, 5:37pm Top

Can't do that. All my chocolate bar has is the Big L. But I like using my username. I had to re-educate my muscle memory to go right instead of left, but that's no long-term problem.

186_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 5:37pm Top

>184 timspalding: Okay, so what about splitting it in half? People who don't know that the pages exist will still be able to get there from the tab and name, so it would help power-users (and anyone who doesn't mind clicking around and exploring) without hurting anyone else.

187timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 5:38pm Top

All my chocolate bar has is the Big L.

The left-hand side of the L would… ;)

188timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 5:38pm Top

>184 timspalding: Okay, so what about splitting it in half? People who don't know that the pages exist will still be able to get there from the tab and name, so it would help power-users (and anyone who doesn't mind clicking around and exploring) without hurting anyone else.

People who click the logo will find it confusing. Sometimes it goes to one place, sometimes to another. Non-starter.

189_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 5:43pm Top

>188 timspalding: When the navigation is entirely redundant anyway, I'm much more concerned with functionality. People will click once on the logo, maybe find it weird, but it won't do any harm in the long run because there are already clearly-labelled buttons (inconvenient, but clear) going to the pages. If they can't deal with mousing over to see where the link goes, or with asking someone, they can still navigate perfectly well. The LibraryThing link as it stands is entirely unnecessary.

190timspalding
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 5:49pm Top

The LibraryThing link as it stands is entirely unnecessary.

True for a very, very large number of sites on the web. Go tell CNN. Go tell Goodreads. Go tell practically everyone who has a home page notion.

To repeat, let's try to figure out what you want that makes sense in the information architecture at stake here. And let's figure out what about the home page is making you want to use the profile as a home page.

191_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 5:52pm Top

>190 timspalding: The pages are very different. I'm not using the profile page as a home page; if anything, I'd say I use Talk as a homepage.

Your question is why I ever want to go to the profile page at all? And you want to eliminate that need entirely?

192rebeccanyc
Jul 13, 2013, 5:53pm Top

182 Great, because I agree that this would make the Member-Uploaded covers module more useful. I've tried opening the work in a separate window, but it's awkward.

Also, I would really like a way to indicate that I don't want to use a particular cover, but the only option seems to be to flag it as inappropriate. Once I indicate that I don't want to use a cover, I would like it to disappear from the display of suggested covers, both so that covers suggested for other books can appear and and because my middle-aged brain doesn't always remember which covers I've checked and rejected.

193nandadevi
Jul 13, 2013, 5:55pm Top

# 189 Zoe > A work-around... IF you have the 'Your Books' module at the top (or near the top) of your Dashboard page, and IF you have a primary image set, then the primary image is a click-able link to your profile page. The primary-image-link-to-your-profile is in that case on the left side (possibly top left-ish corner) of your Dashboard. It also presents a much larger target for my mouse pointer than the profile-name-in-the-top-right-corner.

I understand your interest might go beyond settling for a work-around. I only mention it because it works so well for me.

194rgurskey
Jul 13, 2013, 6:01pm Top

>190 timspalding: And let's figure out what about the home page is making you want to use the profile as a home page.

My supplied photo is nice and large on my Profile. It is smaller that a postage stamp on Home.

My Library and collections appear as a single line on my Profile; multiple lines on Home.

I like the way Profile is organized and have been using it as my entry point for all things LibraryThing for over six years. I see no need to use Home.

195_Zoe_
Jul 13, 2013, 6:03pm Top

>193 nandadevi: Hmm, I suspect that my slowness in mousing over to a small target is less than the time it would take to load a whole other page, but thank you for the suggestion :)

Meanwhile, it occurred to me that even people who don't know that the LT text goes to the homepage still have another option for getting there, namely just going to librarything.com, so I remain unconvinced that that tab is strictly needed ;)

196nandadevi
Jul 13, 2013, 6:12pm Top

# 195 > Re Dashboard to Profile Page quick methods. I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been. The primary image is reproduced as a thumbnail in the 'Your Books' Module on the Dashboard. It is the thumbnail that is the click-able link to the Profile Page, thus:

197LolaWalser
Jul 13, 2013, 6:32pm Top

For those bemoaning the movement of the profile link from the left to the right, would your problems be addressed by having one ore more modules to put on Home that are the reason you like to go to Profile?

No. I don't use Home, I don't want to be forced to go there. I don't see why we have to be forced in any specific direction. What's it to anyone if I use Profile more than Home?

There's room up on the navbar--why not fit Profile into it? "Local" is up and I don't believe more people use that than use "Profile". (For my part, I've never clicked Local. "More" and "Zeitgeist" only rarely.)

198Collectorator
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 6:50pm Top

Speaking of the logo, I hadn't noticed that it is a link to my home page. Sometimes, I want to see the Real Home page of LT. But you can't see that unless you log out. I rarely log out. I guess nobody but me would be interested in having the logo lead to the Real Home of LT?

199PhaedraB
Jul 13, 2013, 6:55pm Top

I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've wanted to go to the logged-out home page. Not to say no one else does.

(BTW, Tim, once I wanted to direct a new person to the LT for Authors information, but I couldn't find it anywhere until I logged out and found it on the logged-out home page. Don't know if there is any other way to get there.)

200KarenElissa
Jul 13, 2013, 7:01pm Top

>198 Collectorator: I'm with you, I tried that a couple of times, kept forgetting that it went to my home. Certainly not a huge deal, but especially with the Home tab right there, my instinct is that the logo would go to the main home page for all of LT, not my personal home.

201mysterymax
Jul 13, 2013, 7:29pm Top

Something which I have mentioned a couple of times, but possibly in the wrong threads.

There used to be a small bar that identified your comments in a thread. It was next to your name.

Now there appears to be nothing that visually helps you find your comment(s) in a thread. Could we have something like that please.

202ryvre
Jul 13, 2013, 7:41pm Top

>190 timspalding: "And let's figure out what about the home page is making you want to use the profile as a home page."

I really like the new home page, but I still find myself using the profile page as a launching pad to a lot of LT. The main things I keep going back to the profile page for:
-Tag mirror. I use tag mirror surprisingly often. I think it would make an awesome looking module (as would the other clouds) if it's possible to make the clouds work in modules.
-An easy link to my recomendations. It would make sense to have this in the Your Books module.
-Helper badges. Because, in kindergarten, I was one of the kids really motivated by gold stars, and that hasn't worn off.

I like the cleaner look with less tabs, so I think it looks better without a profile link in the top bar. I also think Talk and Groups should be combined into one link. I might be in the minority, though.

203Boobalack
Jul 13, 2013, 9:04pm Top

Clicking on your screen name, which is always on the Dashboard directly before "Share Sign out Help," will take you to your profile.

204brightcopy
Jul 13, 2013, 9:23pm Top

#193 by nandadevi> I think you're overcomplicating things a bit. :D



The Profile link is on every Home page.

#197 by LolaWalser> No. I don't use Home, I don't want to be forced to go there. I don't see why we have to be forced in any specific direction. What's it to anyone if I use Profile more than Home?

There's room up on the navbar--why not fit Profile into it? "Local" is up and I don't believe more people use that than use "Profile". (For my part, I've never clicked Local. "More" and "Zeitgeist" only rarely.)


I would totally sympathize with you more if there wasn't a link to your profile already on the chocolate bar. What you're actually saying is:

1) I want the link to my profile to be moved a few inches to the left because I don't like going to the right.

2) I want you to remember if I like Home or profile better and when I click on the LibraryThing logo or log into LT, take me to the one I prefer. I say you're wanting this because those are the two main ways it "forces" you int a specific direction. And because if you make your bookmark for LT http://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME you'd only ever wind up at Home if you clicked on it.

Otherwise, everything is about what the site owner wants to emphasize. You seem fine with the huge emphasis Talk gets. You know that the vast, vast majority of users of LT never even go to Talk, right? And it gets not one but TWO links up there.

The other links are there because without it, Tim might as well just ditch the features. Yet they are features that very much show unique and cool features of LT, even if you don't use them particularly often. It's about visibility more than frequency of use. I don't actually use "Add books" THAT often. And looking at the entry dates in your catalog, you use it about once a week.

So, again, I would be completely on board with what you're saying if there was NO link to your profile at all on the chocolate bar. But I think since there is, you have to see that there is a balance for choosing one single design which Tim thinks best fits all users and potential users.

205qebo
Jul 13, 2013, 9:44pm Top

194: My Library and collections appear as a single line on my Profile; multiple lines on Home.
I prefer this; and I like that I can filter out some of the collections on the Home page. (If I could control which collections go into which columns, that would be nicer...)

I’d really really like smaller text on the Home page. Yes, mentioned before. Surely this isn’t a one-size-fits-all situation?

My Profile page was a quick route to threads I “own” every so often, but I’ve added these links to the Home page. (Incidentally, I discovered that the text box has a severe length limit, it lets you type lots, but then truncates it when you save. Also it is awfully small; it can be resized within the popup window, but the popup window is fixed.)

I rarely go to my Profile page unless I get a comment. I got a comment today, and although if I think about it I know I can click Home then Profile, this hasn’t gone into muscle memory yet, I was on the Talk page which is my base, the little yellow number appeared next to my name, my eyes were there so I clicked there, and it was as awkward as Zoe (sorry, I know you like the dots) says, way to the right of everything else, and little. I don’t think a Profile tab is essential, I can see why it was axed, but I’m not wild about the redundancy of LibraryThing and Home, with Profile kind of scattered.

206bookel
Jul 13, 2013, 10:40pm Top

Came across someone else who found the white background and fine small text too glarey, making reading it hard. I gave the Stylish code option for Chrome/Mozilla Firefox and suggested to increase text size using the browser's options. If you haven't done so already, it may be a good idea to post that information somewhere???

Android phone Browser - Home page
How do you take a screenshot of a browser on a mobile phone?!? Tried the menu on it, nothing.
Reducing the zoom (pinching to reduce text size) has no effect.
Written description: Your Collections
The right edge of the second column's numbers are against text of the third column (alright so they aren't overlapping but it's too close, and appeared to be, no gap at all).

All (number) tags displayed on Home page
Second column's numbers or text slightly overlap third column of text.

Concluding three columns on the home page are problematic for a small mobile screen.

Android phone Browser settings, accessibility, text scaling 143%, zoom on double tap 130%, minimum font size 24 pt. Ticked box to override a website's request to control zoom behavior.

207bookel
Jul 13, 2013, 10:58pm Top

At top right, my username, share, sign out, help and zeitgeist overlap / are half hidden by the search box. Due to browser settings probably but it wasn't that bad with the old design. -- on computer and phone view.

208brightcopy
Edited: Jul 13, 2013, 11:16pm Top

I'm wondering if your screens are much different than mine. For all the people saying it's awkward and way to the right, could you quantify that in inches or centimeters? Exactly how far is it away from where it would be if there was a Profile tab to the right of the Home tab?

ETA: My question doesn't apply to folks like bookel, who are hitting overlapping stuff which should be fixed, IMO.

209timspalding
Jul 13, 2013, 11:24pm Top

My supplied photo is nice and large on my Profile. It is smaller that a postage stamp on Home.

Okay, but it's your photo. You know what you look like. It's large on the profile because other people don't.

My supplied photo is nice and large on my Profile. It is smaller that a postage stamp on Home.

Okay, like:



Okay, so what if the "Your books" module had the ability to show you your collecitons on a line? Or the collections module had a one-line mode, rather than using columns?

I like the way Profile is organized and have been using it as my entry point for all things LibraryThing for over six years. I see no need to use Home.

Okay, look, but LibraryThing's design six years ago simply cannot be what keeps us back from developing the site today.

Your question is why I ever want to go to the profile page at all? And you want to eliminate that need entirely?

Most sites today distinguish between what you look like to others and what you want to see and do yourself. The profile page is what others see. While you may want to change that for others, that's what we're developing.

Speaking of the logo, I hadn't noticed that it is a link to my home page. Sometimes, I want to see the Real Home page of LT. But you can't see that unless you log out. I rarely log out. I guess nobody but me would be interested in having the logo lead to the Real Home of LT?

Yeah, the "real" home page doesn't have much on it that's of interest to existing members--except for the sign-in box. That why it goes away if you're signed in.

There used to be a small bar that identified your comments in a thread. It was next to your name.

Conceptdawg is aware of the problem and will be bringing it back. Dicussion, or anyway, assurance, is going on over on the "design" topics.

-Tag mirror. I use tag mirror surprisingly often. I think it would make an awesome looking module (as would the other clouds) if it's possible to make the clouds work in modules.

Well, there are two different ideas here.

Perhaps some module--the "Your library" module?--should have a link to the tag mirror, and presumably the tag cloud and author cloud. I think that's a good idea.

Then there's the question of having a tag-mirror module. That's an interesting idea.

-An easy link to my recomendations. It would make sense to have this in the Your Books module.

See the "Recommendations" link, on the subnav on the home page and profile.

-Helper badges. Because, in kindergarten, I was one of the kids really motivated by gold stars, and that hasn't worn off.

My hope is that all the Helper modules--which are all new--stokes that. And I worry about a module for it. But maybe that's the answer--a module for badges.

Incidentally, I discovered that the text box has a severe length limit, it lets you type lots, but then truncates it when you save. Also it is awfully small; it can be resized within the popup window, but the popup window is fixed.

Okay, both are fixable. Added to my list.

210qebo
Jul 13, 2013, 11:52pm Top

208: For all the people saying it's awkward and way to the right, could you quantify that in inches or centimeters?
I generally have my browser full screen on a 19” monitor:


It’s not so much that the profile link is to the right, since my cursor isn’t to the left either; it's often vaguely in the middle. It’s more that the profile link is a small target way off to the side in comparison to the much larger and clustered targets. I don’t much care, and the new routine will become familiar, just mentioning because the issue had been raised.

211Vivl
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 12:30am Top

Re Early Reviewers page, I have had the same problem with the books won/requested bar frozen in place and blocking text, and I'm on a laptop running Chrome on Windows 7.

ETA: Continued/summarised at http://www.librarything.com/topic/156005#4195916

212juliette07
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 2:59am Top

~ 181 Tim thank you.

When you go http://www.librarything.com/home what do you see? It is blank with the Dashboard box on the left with the following in a vertical list. When I click on an item in that list there is no link.

Yours
About you
Recommendations
Connection news
Your feed
Discover
Books
Reviews
Community
Helpers
Folly
Unused

Along the top, horizontally is this - as it used to be.
HomeProfileYour books Add booksTalkGroupsLocalMoreZeitgeist Widgets | Edit profileHome | Profile | Connections | Recommendations | Reviews | Stats/Memes | Clouds | Authors

When I click on these I am able to link to each aspect.

If it helps - I also have no chocolate coloured stuff or a bar in chocolate ....

213_Zoe_
Jul 14, 2013, 2:35am Top

1) I want the link to my profile to be moved a few inches to the left because I don't like going to the right.

I think the size is more of an issue than the positioning, or at least the size and positioning combined. Since my cursor is nowhere near there, I move it over very quickly, and at that speed it's unlikely to hit the small target on the first swipe. Maybe it's less of an issue with a mouse rather than a touchpad?

Most sites today distinguish between what you look like to others and what you want to see and do yourself. The profile page is what others see. While you may want to change that for others, that's what we're developing.

Can you give some examples? Facebook distinguishes between the newsfeed and the profile, but I certainly still go to my profile there all the time. I don't really understand the point of duplicating all the content just to discourage us from going to a page that primarily presents us to others. Why do you want to do this?

214bookel
Jul 14, 2013, 4:05am Top

Juliette I've no idea what's going on but do you use a browser that blocks JavaScript unless you allow it? Eg. Mozilla Firefox with noscript add on. Try turning it on if so for LT. If not that see if site works in a different browser. If it does, could be some setting in the problem browser that needs changing.

Tim I had a closer look at Your Collections displayed on the phone. It looks like the third column of text overlaps the faint grey edge of the second column, meeting the numbers in column two with no gap. Hope that describes what's going on.

215bookel
Jul 14, 2013, 4:09am Top

I use the profile currently to link lists I've done as I don't see a list option there. I know you can see lists on home page, but wanted a brief list. Plus there is different information on profile and I often go there.

216bookel
Jul 14, 2013, 4:25am Top

Zoe you can click on your username in this thread or anywhere to get to Profile.
I'd like the link back too but looks like it isn't going to happen and make do with going to home then profile or username. I'd prefer if username at top right were more to the left. Would rather prevent excessive mouse movements. Prevent carpel tunnel. I've also mentioned before mouse use is naturally to top left and middle most the time. It's how the site trained the user. Now muscle memory needs changing and takes time to get used to.

217connie53
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 6:06am Top

I don't know if it has been asked before, but since yesterday my homepage is completly empty and white. I only see the brownish bar with home - my books - add books and such things. I have to click on dashboard to see things. Do I have to adjust anything?

I've asked this before and it was fixed for a couple of days, but it's back again. Empty and white again. I'm using the Dutch site! But clicking on dashboard does not work now. So I have no homepage at all.

218bookel
Jul 14, 2013, 6:48am Top

Ah maybe it's to do with the foreign language sites.

219Sylak
Jul 14, 2013, 6:54am Top

Did there not used to be a |Search| box for Topics? I can't seem to find it any more.

There is nothing more frustrating than trying to find reference to a particular matter pertaining to a topic of interest one is trying to find information on in libraryThing, and being unable to locate it without trawling through a seemingly endless list of random Topics: next> next> next>...

I know that I can use Google: librarything.com/talktopic but its a bit 'clunky' having to jump in and out of LT like that.

Where has the |Search| box gone and why is there not one on the Groups and Talk pages to make life easier?

220rebeccanyc
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:06am Top

190 Tim And let's figure out what about the home page is making you want to use the profile as a home page.

I've been having fun playing around with the new home page, but Talk is my typical entry to LT and I go from there to whatever else I want to do (add books, fuss with my catalog, etc.), so I'm probably not the best person to answer this. But as I have in the past, I probably will continue to visit my profile more than my home page. That's because I use it to record the books I read (in the About My Library section) and so need to update it regularly. As it is the page others see, I also like having my groups, favorite authors, currently reading (would be great if we could reorder modules on the profile too, as I'd like to move this near the top), etc. where others can see them. I love Members with Your Books, but could get used to seeing this on the Dashboard. It's just having it and other modules in a separate column works really well for me, better than the now vertical layout of the Home pages.

221timspalding
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:20am Top

PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS!

If you post about the nav, or the early reviews page, or anything else that isn't the home page on this topic, nobody is going to help you with the problem. This topic is for home-page issues, not design issues. I'm on the home page and ConceptDawg is on the design; there are simply too many posts for him to be also reading through everything here.

So, please, go to the design topics and post about this.

222Vivl
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 12:30am Top

Update on the Early Reviewers Books Requested/Won bar floating down and blocking text, this is also happening today on the Connections page. The Connection News/Author Connections bar is floating.

As I said earlier, I'm using the latest version of Chrome (28.0.1500.72 m) on Windows 7.

I'm sure it wasn't happening yesterday.

ETA: Continued/summarised at http://www.librarything.com/topic/156005#4195916

223timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:38am Top

juliette07: What browser and OS are you using? Are you using the US site. I can't replicate what's going on with you.

connie53: Ditto. Can you try using the www and see if that works. That would narrow things for me a lot.

Can you give some examples? Facebook distinguishes between the newsfeed and the profile, but I certainly still go to my profile there all the time. I don't really understand the point of duplicating all the content just to discourage us from going to a page that primarily presents us to others. Why do you want to do this?

Right. And you get to it by clicking on your name, which is separate from your home (FB has both "Home" and "News feed" links, but they go to the same place). On Goodreads you have your home--logo and "home"--distinct from your profile--your profile image. Twitter has home and your profile--your name. LinkedIn has "home" and "profile" links. Practically every social site has this distinction. We have it too.

The point of duplicating the content is that the profile page is organized to show you to others, and the home page is organized to give you stuff to see and do--and can be organized to your heart's content. (I would add that the profile will never be fully customizable, because the structure allows members to get a sense of someone without confronting a different information architecture every time.)

I probably will continue to visit my profile more than my home page. That's because I use it to record the books I read (in the About My Library section) and so need to update it regularly.

Right. That makes total sense. We're going to be introducing a new feature there. I hope it works for you.

224timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:39am Top

>222 Vivl:

See 221. ConceptDawg is not going to see it here.

225Vivl
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 12:30am Top

Sorry, I responded to the earlier posts on the subject without reading the thread thoroughly. Is the best place to post the new design bugs thread, or the general bug reporting thread? I'm unsure that this problem is specifically related to the new design.

Edit: Never mind. I've reposted in the new design bugs thread, at http://www.librarything.com/topic/156005#4195916. It was a little misleading that Tim earlier asked the first person who reported this problem for their operating system/browser details. That lead me to believe this was the right place to continue discussion of the issue.

226connie53
Jul 14, 2013, 9:56am Top

-->223 timspalding: -->Tim: if I use the .com site everything works okay. I see my homepage immediately and everything is in the Dutch language. If I use the .nl I see nothing. I'm using IE and Windows Vista sp2 (thanks to my brother who educated me about the meaning of OS)

227brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 9:57am Top

221> It might help slightly if all these threads and continuations did a better job of showing which piece is which and providing the links to the other threads. And I do mean "slightly".

228timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 10:14am Top

>226 connie53:

I don't suppose you know what version of IE? :)

229connie53
Jul 14, 2013, 10:27am Top

>228 timspalding: No, I'm sorry. I tried to find the info in properties, but my knowledge of PC is limited and my brother is no longer available ;)

230_Zoe_
Jul 14, 2013, 10:36am Top

>223 timspalding: I'm not disputing that the other sites have home and profile pages. I'm disputing that they duplicate all the information to discourage people from using their own profiles.

On Facebook, if I want to look at my friends list, I go to my profile. If I want to see my "About" section, I go to my profile. If I want to see the pages I've liked and books I've read, I go to my profile.

The only real duplication I see while on the FB homepage is the "photos" link in the left sidebar and the mini picture in the corner.

You're trying to do something dramatically different.

231juliette07
Jul 14, 2013, 10:38am Top

Thanks Tim

juliette07: What browser and OS are you using? Are you using the US site. I can't replicate what's going on with you.

I am using Internet explorer version 10 and OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP 1.

I don't know if I am using the US site. It is www.librarything.com I use.

232juliette07
Jul 14, 2013, 10:47am Top

~223 Thanks again Tim - following your questions I have just swapped to Google Chrome Version 28.0.1500.72 m .

I am now seeing Home and Dashboard in the new design - yay. Hope this helps you as you carry on developing.

So sorry to have bothered you all and many thanks for your patience. I do love LT!
Julie

233rebeccanyc
Jul 14, 2013, 10:47am Top

223, Tim. Oooh, a new feature for the profile page! Can't wait! (Well, yes I can)..

Also, Tim, did you see my request in 192 about a way to reject member-uploaded covers we don't want to use? It seems like you might have skipped over that (I honestly don't know how you can keep up with everything . . .). Or is that something I should ask about elsewhere, like start a new topic????

234anglemark
Jul 14, 2013, 11:08am Top

Yes, that would be useful.

235DeltaQueen50
Jul 14, 2013, 1:23pm Top

I am having the same problem as Juliette07, as of yesterday, my Home Page is blank. I also use Internet Explorer and when I switch over to Google Chrome it works.

236LolaWalser
Jul 14, 2013, 3:09pm Top



So, again, I would be completely on board with what you're saying if there was NO link to your profile at all on the chocolate bar. But I think since there is, you have to see that there is a balance for choosing one single design which Tim thinks best fits all users and potential users.


It's utterly unimportant whether you agree with me or not. Different people have different ways of using the site. I'd like the link to Profile back where it was--for YEARS--because that's what's most convenient for my use of the site. I don't want to have to click on Home in order to then click on Profile, and I don't like the sweep I have to do now to the right-hand corner, especially as the link is smaller and annoyingly close to the search box.

237brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 3:27pm Top

#236 by LolaWalser> As it is utterly unimportant if you care if I agree with you or not. But since you're posting here and not sending notes directly to Tim, I'm going to keep doing it. :)

238timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 4:40pm Top

>I'm not disputing that the other sites have home and profile pages. I'm disputing that they duplicate all the information to discourage people from using their own profiles.

They don't. Neither do we. We have profiles for what profiles are for, and home pages for what they're for. If you don't want to see your collections on your home page, because you cam see it on your profile, remove it.

I am using Internet explorer version 10 and OS Windows 7 Home Premium SP 1. I don't know if I am using the US site. It is www.librarything.com I use.

Can you try again? I've made various changes. Is it still a problem on IE?

I am having the same problem as Juliette07, as of yesterday, my Home Page is blank. I also use Internet Explorer and when I switch over to Google Chrome it works.

Can you try now?

If anyone is really interested in helping a lot, Skype chat me at LibraryThingTim or GMail chat me at tim@librarything.com and maybe we can work through this iteratively.

Thanks.

239DeltaQueen50
Jul 14, 2013, 5:13pm Top

#238 - I just logged onto LT using Internet Explorer and my home page is still blank.

240Boobalack
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 5:26pm Top

connie53, You can find your version of IE by clicking on the 'Help' function on your menu bar then clicking on 'About Internet Explorer.'

If you don't have a menu bar, right-click on one of your bars and check 'Menu Bar' on the drop-down menu.

241connie53
Jul 14, 2013, 5:46pm Top

--> 240

Okay! Thanks for the help:
it says: 9.0.8112.16421
update: 0.9.18 (KB2846071)

242timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 5:53pm Top

Okay, I'm completely flummoxed. Someone is going to need to Skype me ( LibraryThingTim ) or perhaps Gmail chat me ( tim@librarything.com ).

The "with errors" may be a clue. I'd be interested to see what the error was, and where.

243timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 5:54pm Top

I've added a section for "Your current cover" when using the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" module.

244Collectorator
Jul 14, 2013, 6:08pm Top

243, people are gonna love that!

245nandadevi
Jul 14, 2013, 6:17pm Top

Re #243 Covers > Tim, regarding 'New Covers' now showing old AND new covers in the Change Cover pop up box. A beautiful plus on the productivity front, thank you. Just a quirky thing though (live-able but odd): If the prospective cover is a blank, and your own cover is one of the default 'blanks', you actually don't know what book it refers to unless you click on '>>See Work' to jump to the book page in LT. It seems that this circumstance will come up reasonably often (I have two out of nineteen covers in this category). Solution might be to have book name in text overlaid on image of the new covers displayed in the module on the Home page, and included in a text field in the pop-up box. On a get-around-to-it-basis, or think-about-it-later-basis. As others have noted, I now operate LT from the Home Page, a testament to its charge up the ladder of utility. Oh, here's a screen shot:

246rebeccanyc
Jul 14, 2013, 6:59pm Top

243 Wonderful. Now if I could just get rid of covers I don't want to use, this would be perfect.

247timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 7:32pm Top

>246 rebeccanyc:

Perfection achieved!

248timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 7:36pm Top

If the prospective cover is a blank, and your own cover is one of the default 'blanks', you actually don't know what book it refers to unless you click on

It's also true if something is an odd language cover. So I've added the title and author of your book.

249rebeccanyc
Jul 14, 2013, 7:50pm Top

247 Ah, perfection! I foresee many fun cover-picking hours ahead of me! Thanks, Tim!

250ScarletBea
Jul 14, 2013, 8:16pm Top

Yay, covers! Thanks a lot, Tim :-)

251PhaedraB
Jul 14, 2013, 8:59pm Top

I'll second the YAY for the cover picking improvements!

252hailelib
Jul 14, 2013, 9:18pm Top

This is great!

253brightcopy
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:28pm Top

Blank page bug>

Posted repro and probable solution in the Home bugs thread (though really it's a site-level problem that you should apply to the whole thing.)

254timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:28pm Top

Well, because we should force it not to use that? Because if it's triggering a JS error, we can fix that.

255brightcopy
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:34pm Top

Yeah, it throws some JS errors when turned on. But I've just found other rendering oddities in compatibility mode so it's best just to put a META bit in that tells it not to even try to do it.

The catalog is an atrocious mess when compat mode is on. Yet no JS errors that I see. Just rendering crappiness.

256brightcopy
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:33pm Top

Oh, btw, here's my other post on it:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/156005#4175866

(with pointers to turn it off)

257timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:38pm Top

Yeah. Good deal. I see them too.

For now I'm just fixing the JS, which is "bad" JS that most browsers simply don't mind. That should restore it for most users.

258Crypto-Willobie
Jul 14, 2013, 10:10pm Top

Gesundheit!

259timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 10:14pm Top

That trailing comma after origin—damn you IE.

260ryvre
Jul 14, 2013, 10:18pm Top

>209 timspalding: "See the "Recommendations" link, on the subnav on the home page and profile."

That takes me to a page of recommendations for me, not the recommendations I've made. I can click through to recommendations I've made from there, but the link is nice and prominent on my profile page with no extra clicking around. (Other content is already duplicated between the modules and the subnav menu. There's a link on the subnav for my reviews, but that's also in the "Your Books" module.) It seems like the stats for recommendations I've made should go with my ratings and reviews.

261StephenBarkley
Jul 14, 2013, 10:33pm Top

243 > I've been playing with the new and improved cover module. Very helpful! One small tweak would make it more useful for me—could it show the source for my current cover? If I see that my current cover is an Amazon cover, I'd be more likely to change it. Just a thought.

262MerryMary
Jul 14, 2013, 10:39pm Top

You can find a list of your Amazon covers under the Stats/Memes tab. Click on "Book Covers"

263timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 11:04pm Top

Still, that's a good point. I'll add that in a sec.

264timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 11:13pm Top



Added.

265Vivl
Jul 14, 2013, 11:45pm Top

>243 timspalding:, 247, 248 & 264.

Huzzah! Thank you for the new niftiness!

266_Zoe_
Jul 15, 2013, 1:44am Top

Neither do we. We have profiles for what profiles are for, and home pages for what they're for.

So then why is the response to "I want to get to the profile more easily" "Let's figure out what you're doing on the profile so that you can do it on the homepage instead"?

267timspalding
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 2:03am Top

Because sites that have profiles generally put them in a subordinate position--clicking on your name in the top right, etc. on the theory that people want to do their stuff more often than they want to look at themselves in others' eyes. That is what we have done here.

Now, it's clear that LibraryThing used to have profile serve for both profile and home page. The last home page split them, but its problems made the split tentative. We're trying to split those functions more clearly now. They call for different functionality and design and, insofar as they are mixed, you get something halfway between what you want for yourself and what you want for others. Some elements of the profile page, however, are still useful to users directly, not just as a place to see themselves in the mirror of others' perception. The goal is to figure out which those are, and make sure the home page can do them.

268_Zoe_
Jul 15, 2013, 2:18am Top

So, at least in the current incarnation of FB (which changed for me a couple of days ago; I have no idea what anyone else is seeing), the Home and Profile buttons are right next to each other, equal in size.

GoodReads does have the profile link off to the side a bit, but it's at least a much thicker button that the current LT one.

Anyway, I feel like it's fundamentally hopeless to try to put everything we want on the Home page. The problem isn't whether the modules are available, but how accessible everything is. Everything I use on the Profile page is within two or three screen-lengths, since the font is smaller and there are two columns. If I put a module on the Home page, I can't get there easily (unless it's one of the first few or last few—which they can't all be). I have to scroll and process a lot more on the way. And even if I eventually remembered exactly how far down the page the thing is, I can't go there directly because modules load at different speeds and take up more space as they load. The Profile content is almost all there immediately, and the smaller sizes mean that even as MWYB loads, it doesn't dramatically change the position of everything else on the page.

269ScarletBea
Jul 15, 2013, 3:09am Top

Ooooh when I was playing with it I thought of that (261, source), but didn't want to ask because I thought it'd be too much work and I thought you're too busy as it is - so double yay!

270rebeccanyc
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 7:17am Top

264. Better than perfection!

However, . . . now that I've wasted time spent some enjoyable time playing with this, I see that where I've used a blank cover (to remind me to get the correct one), it's listed as an Amazon cover. Not a problem, since I can perfectly well see it's a blank and not an Amazon cover, but something you might want to fix eventually.

271nandadevi
Jul 15, 2013, 7:05am Top

Instances where computing lives up to its promise and potential are very rare (in my long experience in foisting dodgy products on the unsuspecting (awe-struck) populace). Mostly they impede productivity. Now I'm not saying that the new Cover Module is equivalent to, say Lotus123, in sheer scale or impact, but it shares that same beautiful utility. Something a computer does that enhances my experience of life. I have reviewed more covers in the last few hours than I would have previously done in months. As D. Beethoven once famously uttered, 'Stupendous'.

272mysterymax
Jul 15, 2013, 7:59am Top

Rats! I haven't had any new covers since the module first appeared. The same ones are still there from when it started.

273rebeccanyc
Jul 15, 2013, 8:04am Top

272 You have to get rid of some of the covers to have new ones appear, either by choosing them or rejecting them.

274mysterymax
Jul 15, 2013, 8:09am Top

ah so, thanks.

275KarenElissa
Jul 15, 2013, 8:09am Top

>264 timspalding: One more cover request, can we have the size of our current cover down there by the source. I don't have any Amazon covers so don't need to get rid of those, but I would "upgrade" covers if bigger ones were added.

276connie53
Jul 15, 2013, 8:51am Top

Just to let staffmembers know that everything is working on the .nl site with homepagethings.

277StephenBarkley
Jul 15, 2013, 9:29am Top

261 > Thank You. That makes it a lot quicker to move away from Amazon covers.

278jules_l
Jul 15, 2013, 9:55am Top

275> One more cover request, can we have the size of our current cover down there by the source.

Seconding this. Just about all of my covers will say "Custom cover". I'm only looking for a handful of covers I can't scan myself (either because they're ebooks or I don't have the dustjacket), so it'd be useful to know the size of the current cover image without having to go to the work to check.

279timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 9:57am Top

However, . . . now that I've wasted time spent some enjoyable time playing with this, I see that where I've used a blank cover (to remind me to get the correct one), it's listed as an Amazon cover. Not a problem, since I can perfectly well see it's a blank and not an Amazon cover, but something you might want to fix eventually.

Which one is it? I'll track it down.

280timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 9:57am Top

272 You have to get rid of some of the covers to have new ones appear, either by choosing them or rejecting them.

No, it lists them in blog order--so as new ones are uploaded, they will appear. But it only updates those database tables at night.

281hailelib
Jul 15, 2013, 10:00am Top

>279 timspalding:

I'm seeing blank covers labeled as Amazon ones, too.

282brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 10:05am Top

#268 by _Zoe_> So, at least in the current incarnation of FB (which changed for me a couple of days ago; I have no idea what anyone else is seeing), the Home and Profile buttons are right next to each other, equal in size.

Just giving my own experiences, but I never click on that Home link on FB. I always click on the facebook logo on the top-left. And I actually frequently click on my name somewhere on the page rather than going to the profile button, much like I do on LT.


And writing this post, I though I better click on FB's Home to make sure it goes to the same place. So I opened a new FB window and clicked it. The styling of my top bar changed entirely. And the "facebook" logo at the top-left changed to an "f" icon, quite similar to LT's small "L" icon. And the links at the top-right changed from Home|Profile|Find Friends|Account(icon?)|(not sure rest because now I can't get back to it) to Home|Find Friends|Profile (now my name instead of the text "Profile"|Account icon|Settings icon. And now the search bar is huuuuge.

Of course, facebook does a lot of A/B testing so no idea if other people see either the same old or same new one as I do.

283rebeccanyc
Jul 15, 2013, 10:06am Top

279 I'll have to let you know when I go back to working on my covers. In my office now. But it was multiple ones, although some blank covers said "custom cover" which at least made more sense.

280 Hmm. I don't think mine changed until I started choosing or rejecting them. Will have to look at this more closelyl

284LolaWalser
Jul 15, 2013, 10:09am Top

What Zoe says, again.

#268

The problem isn't whether the modules are available, but how accessible everything is. Everything I use on the Profile page is within two or three screen-lengths, since the font is smaller and there are two columns. If I put a module on the Home page, I can't get there easily (unless it's one of the first few or last few—which they can't all be). I have to scroll and process a lot more on the way. And even if I eventually remembered exactly how far down the page the thing is, I can't go there directly because modules load at different speeds and take up more space as they load. The Profile content is almost all there immediately, and the smaller sizes mean that even as MWYB loads, it doesn't dramatically change the position of everything else on the page.


#267

people want to do their stuff more often than they want to look at themselves in others' eyes.

I remember we discussed several times before what we use Profiles for, and for me (nobody else I remember either) it certainly isn't "to look at myself in others' eyes blahblah". (I'm actually hardly using the "About me" and "About my library" sections. And I've had the same Cartier-Bresson photo up since day 1.)

Why bother asking us if you don't listen? Profile has stuff I'm interested in right on top--Collections, tags, clouds and MWYB list. It used to have even more before the stupid and unnecessary reshuffling--Favourite Authors, bookstores--but still not too far away. It's all available right there, fast and steady, in a layout I prefer to the cake-layer Home page.

For Talk, I prefer getting an overall picture by going to the Talk tab. For anything I use on Profile, I prefer it on Profile.

Profile simply hits the best combo of interest and convenience of use for me. I'm not demanding anyone else see it this way--I'd just like not to have things taken away from me, especially after five-six years of building habit.

285timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 10:17am Top

I'd just like not to have things taken away from me

We didn't take away your cheese, we moved it--click on your name to get it.

286brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 10:20am Top

#285 by timspalding> But you made it so tiny!

(Whatever you do, don't mention that the current username link is almost exactly the same height as the old Profile tab link.)

287LolaWalser
Jul 15, 2013, 10:24am Top

#285

It's not convenient, and you know it.

288brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 11:09am Top

Really liking how the member uploader cover module is looking, but unfortunately all that work is going to be useless for a large number of covers due to this bug:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/147095#4195842

Please at least drop in and say it's on your to-do-sooner list.

289jjwilson61
Jul 15, 2013, 11:28am Top

280> No, it lists them in blog order--so as new ones are uploaded, they will appear. But it only updates those database tables at night.

Technically correct, but doesn't get to what mysterymax was trying to do. When mysterymax says new I think he (or she...why can't the Talk editor just figure out what gender a user is and automatically fill it in) means that he hasn't seen it before, not that it's been entered more recently. So the best answer is that if he accepts or rejects some of the covers on his list then he will see new ones (and if he waits 24 hours he can see new new ones).

290jjwilson61
Jul 15, 2013, 11:30am Top

So, custom cover means that I uploaded it? Or could it also means some other member-uploaded cover? Maybe you could say "custom cover uploaded by ..." to clear up the confusion.

291LMHTWB
Jul 15, 2013, 11:37am Top

>243 timspalding: Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

292AndreasJ
Jul 15, 2013, 11:41am Top

Speaking of covers, the cover information pop-up now shows your current cover too. Could this be suppressed when the cover I'm looking at is my current cover? It's a bit jarring currently.

293_Zoe_
Jul 15, 2013, 12:22pm Top

>282 brightcopy: Yeah, I'm seeing a similar new top bar on FB. I think I used to go to the homepage by clicking on the FB button too, but I may do that less now that it's smaller.

the current username link is almost exactly the same height as the old Profile tab link

As I mentioned earlier, I think it's a combination of size and distance. The cursor moves faster when it's going farther, so I'm less likely to hit a farther-away small target. I suspect that angle may be a factor too. For whatever reason, it feels like more effort to hit the profile link now.

Also note that this is after more than a week of trying; I had no initial objection to the removal of the profile link, since logically we have a fine alternative. It's only in practice that the alternative has turned out to be annoying.

294rebeccanyc
Jul 15, 2013, 12:26pm Top

292 The whole point of seeing your current cover is because some of us don't remember what our current cover is since it's so long since we entered it. For me, t is incredibly valuable to see that in fact I have the cover I want already! (Or not.)

295brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 12:29pm Top

#293 by _Zoe_> The cursor moves faster when it's going farther, so I'm less likely to hit a farther-away small target.

Just FYI, this is a setting you can turn off if you don't like it. In Windows it's called "Enhance pointer precision" under the mouse control panel. Not saying you need to turn it off, but it's a good chance to bring it up for those who might be interested. Each way you set it has its pluses and minuses.

296KarenElissa
Jul 15, 2013, 12:37pm Top

>288 brightcopy: yes please this bug drives me crazy and there hasn't been any response.

297brightcopy
Jul 15, 2013, 12:40pm Top

#293 by _Zoe_> Augh, just realized we're talking about chocolate bar stuff yet again in the Home thread. Posting my next one in the appropriate thread.

298norabelle414
Jul 15, 2013, 12:44pm Top

>293 _Zoe_: It's your own fault for having such a short username, really ;-)

299_Zoe_
Jul 15, 2013, 1:36pm Top

>295 brightcopy: Hmm, yeah, I suspect that would just be a different annoyance, not necessarily an improvement on the whole.

This whole thing about dividing issues into a couple of massive general threads is sort of ridiculous. It would really be helpful if discussion could be broken up into subthreads, and if Tim et al. would actually read those when they were started by members. I'm perfectly happy with the colours and style of the site and generally have no interest in that thread, and the minimization of the profile link is as much (or more) about Tim's intentions for the homepage as it is about anything else.

300_Zoe_
Jul 15, 2013, 1:36pm Top

301DeltaQueen50
Jul 15, 2013, 1:46pm Top

Re #239 - Thank you so much, I now have a Home Page again using IE.

302AndreasJ
Jul 15, 2013, 4:51pm Top

294 > If your current cover isn't being shown a the bottom right when you're looking current cover, surely that in itself is sufficient to tell you it is your current cover? In fact, it seems to me it should make it ieasier/i to tell it's your current cover and not a (possibly extremely) similar one.

303rebeccanyc
Jul 15, 2013, 6:49pm Top

302 Yes and no. There are many similar covers, and I couldn't be sufficiently confident if I didn't see my own. Perhaps more significantly, if my current cover is from Amazon (which I couldn't tell if it wasn't pictured and labeled), I would probably want to replace it with a member-uploaded cover. Or, if the new member-uploaded cover appeared to be clearer and at higher resolution than mine, I might want to switch to the newer one. In either case, it is extremely helpful (for me) to see my current cover.

304jjmcgaffey
Jul 16, 2013, 1:17am Top

Yay covers! All the wonderfulness. Thanks a million!

However, bug - I just got four covers (from Walmart, so I suspect it's a reused ISBN) for the same book. Tried to flag the three that don't match the book as Inapplicable - and got no response. Except when I clicked the Flag as Inapplicable link, the homepage (behind the lightbox I was in) jumped up to the top.

Also seconding (fifthing? tenthing?) the request to fix the "grab shows 0x0" bug.

270 et al> This sounds like a very old bug - let me see if I can find where I bugged it (probably before the bug tracking system came on). Once upon a time, if you used your default blank cover, it "counted" as an Amazon cover. I think that got fixed - I've got books showing with the default blank and my Amazon covers are zero - but this sounds very reminiscent of the old one.

Aha, found it - and it was a code error, the same error may have sneaked back in. http://www.librarything.com/topic/103786

260> It seems reasonable to me that the subnav would go to the general Recommendations page. However, in Your Zeitgeist, I have "Recommendations 0" - which presumably means the recommendations I've made (or not made), not ones made for me (of which I have lots). But if I click on that link, I go to my Member Recommendations page (http://www.librarything.com/profile/jjmcgaffey/recommendations/member), not to http://www.librarything.com/profile/jjmcgaffey/recommendations/bymember ...maybe just a typo? Since the URLs are so similar? Obviously not something I use much, but for those who do, could be handy.

180> Now OBE (Overtaken By Events) - but the See Work link on the Recent Member-uploaded Covers lightbox would take you to the book, then one more click to the Change Covers page. I was using it a lot (and it still might be useful, now and then). Well, OK, Work Covers is better, probably (new).

305omargosh
Jul 16, 2013, 4:44am Top

For those who really can't stand the "Profile" tab being gone from where it used to be, this GreaseMonkey script should put one back in the chocolate bar:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/173432

As always, the real installation button is the green "Install" button at upper right (there might be other "buttons" that are just deceptive ads).

306bookel
Jul 16, 2013, 5:17am Top

That makes it easier, thanks, and it works!

307Collectorator
Edited: Jul 16, 2013, 6:06am Top

I have the situation originally reported in message 270: I see that where I've used a blank cover (to remind me to get the correct one), it's listed as an Amazon cover.

eta: I've left the two that say that in my module in case you want to take a look.

I went through all of them, and changed a few. It was fun. Now that I've cleared them all, the new ones will show up, right?

308omargosh
Jul 16, 2013, 7:42am Top

Sorry if this was already suggested, but shouldn't there be a setting in the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" module to only show covers for books that you don't have a cover of yet?

309jjmcgaffey
Jul 16, 2013, 7:49am Top

307> Mine keep feeding in - I have 16 covers, and every time I accept or dismiss one another pops in. The number is a little odd - 2 rows, of 9 and 7 - but it hasn't stopped adding new covers. You actually got rid of them? Impressive.

308> A filter, you mean? There's three times I'd replace a cover - if I had no cover, if I had an Amazon cover, or if I had a custom cover but it was low quality/wasn't as good as the new one. That filter/setting would only show books with blank/default covers. It might be handy as an option, but it shouldn't be a default. And it would probably make the calculations of what to show rather harder. But with all the stuff Tim's been adding, maybe this would be easy too.

310Collectorator
Jul 16, 2013, 7:51am Top

309, that's because my books are somewhat rare, or at least uncommon

311bookel
Jul 16, 2013, 8:16am Top

Sorry to have to say this, but despite occasional fast load times, lately these 300 plus posts are really slow to load (just a moment ago it didn't go past 208).

312rebeccanyc
Jul 16, 2013, 8:19am Top

308, 309 Sometimes I pick an Amazon cover because there are no member-uploaded covers. So I would also need to see covers when I have an Amazon cover, not just when I have no cover, and I also might like to upgrade a cover as noted in 309.

313omargosh
Jul 16, 2013, 8:29am Top

#309 by jjmcgaffey>
Yeah, just meant that idea as an optional non-default setting/filter (I envision returning to default settings when I'm finally through getting covers for my no-cover books, then I could work on getting better covers later). Your reply leads me to another suggestion: an optional setting to filter by books that you only have an Amazon cover of.

314LolaWalser
Jul 16, 2013, 1:16pm Top

#305

Perfect, thanks so much!

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