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New home - Bugs, continued again (last call)

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1timspalding
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 9:06pm Top

Okay, this is the final continuation of the new home-page bugs. I think we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. But there are surely at least a dozen more bugs out there. I want to scrape all the way down.

What have you got?

Please note: THIS IS NOT FOR DESIGN ISSUES. It's only for home-page issues--problems that affect the home page and its modules. General design comments go on this topic, and design bugs go on this topic.

Note: There's one big issue out there--some subset of members are not seeing the home page at all, apparently due to a JavaScript error on Internet Explorer. So far I haven't been able to duplicate it, and need more informational. If this is happening to you, Skype me at LibraryThingTim or GMail chat me at tim @ librarything.com.

I'm going to be rolling out some home-page upgrades over the next few days--things people want, not things that are broken. But I think I'll encourage the bugs to go on those posts, so this is left for lingering bugs with what's there now.

2justjim
Jul 14, 2013, 9:01pm Top

Every time you type the @ in your email address, you make a link to the user profile for librarything.com

3timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:06pm Top

Good point, but not a home-page bug! :)

4brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 9:22pm Top

#1 by timspalding> I can tell you its blank in IE 10 on Win8 as long as you have "compatibility mode" (what bunk) turned on. Which IE often does by default if you don't use the instructions I gave cD before. I could repeat them if you like.

5timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 9:25pm Top

Nice. Thanks. That's something to play with!

6brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 9:28pm Top

I tried to chat you up, but it didn't work. You tease.

7timspalding
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 10:05pm Top

Okay, that's fixed. Also, I believe I fixed a problem guido47 was having, where it was sending the wrong width, and therefore showing only one cover.

8rodneyvc
Jul 14, 2013, 11:36pm Top

My badges number in the Your Helps home page module (22) doesn't match the number showing in my profile (14) which match the list showing in my stats/memes.

9brightcopy
Jul 14, 2013, 11:38pm Top

I hope you have the "prevent IE from using compatibility mode" on the eventual to-do list. Because as I said in the other thread, Your Books under IE with compatibility is horrific.

10rodneyvc
Jul 14, 2013, 11:39pm Top

My counts for 24 hours and week in venue linking perpetually show zero!

11timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 11:40pm Top

My badges number in the Your Helps home page module (22) doesn't match the number showing in my profile (14) which match the list showing in my stats/memes.

Nice catch. It was double-counting when you had progressed through stages--that is, you have a bronze, then a silver, then a gold. Thanks.

I hope you have the "prevent IE from using compatibility mode" on the eventual to-do list. Because as I said in the other thread, Your Books under IE with compatibility is horrific.

Yeah, I just want Conceptdawg to do it tomorrow.

12timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 11:41pm Top

My counts for 24 hours and week in venue linking perpetually show zero!

This page, or the home page?

http://www.librarything.com/help_general.php

13rodneyvc
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 11:46pm Top

The venue linking module under helpers on the home page.

I know I haven't linked any in the past 24 hours, but I have never seen it say anything but 0.

14timspalding
Jul 14, 2013, 11:53pm Top

Hmmm. I feel like I've seen you there many times.

15timspalding
Edited: Jul 14, 2013, 11:56pm Top

Can you link one? I just did, and I show up. You can unlink something obvious and then re-link it.

16rodneyvc
Jul 14, 2013, 11:58pm Top

You've forced me to link another venue :-(

17rodneyvc
Jul 15, 2013, 12:00am Top

I show up on the help_general.php page, but nothing is showing in the home page module.

18timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 12:16am Top

Oh, I see. Okay, looking.

19timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 12:22am Top

Got it. Wrong field name. Fixed.

20rodneyvc
Jul 15, 2013, 12:58am Top

#19 Confirmed. Good work.

21Talvitar
Jul 15, 2013, 2:26am Top

Is it s a bug that it's not possible to translate the Dashboard page? I'm on fi. site and "translate" tool won't show the items that need translating. For example, the first item on the page, "Your books", gives
3,050 kirjaa | 10 collections | 355 avainsanaa | 1,361 authors | 243 ratings
so half in English, half in Finnish - and no way to translate. Or at least I haven't found the way.

But if this not a bug but simply a 'working on it', excuse my impatience :)

I've started to REALLY like the Dashboard so thanks :)

22Louve_de_mer
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 2:49am Top

> 21 : I just went on the Finnish site and the words you mention are highlighted in yellow. If not on your computer, did you try here : http://fi.librarything.com/translate.php?remaining=1 ? I see the words there.

23rodneyvc
Jul 15, 2013, 2:39am Top

Coverguess points on the home page helpers module is 4 times that shown on the game page itself.

24gennyt
Jul 15, 2013, 3:19am Top

It's not possible for me to add stars to threads in the Talk module on the home page. Not from my Android phone at least, I can't check the laptop our desktop as I'm away from home at present.

25Talvitar
Jul 15, 2013, 3:39am Top

>22 Louve_de_mer:: interesting! When I'm on Dashboard and click on 'translate', the page that opens does _not_ have any of those words (such as 'collections', 'reorder', 'MWYB' etc.).
I wonder why that is. Though I must admit I haven't done much translations here so there's probably a ton of things I don't know about the system. I just thought you always click the 'translate' and everything's there.

Thanks for the link!

26Louve_de_mer
Jul 15, 2013, 4:19am Top

>25 Talvitar: : Strange ! I see them here : http://fi.librarything.com/translate.php?page=576897870. It is the page I get when I cilck on "Translate!" (in Finnish on the Finnish page).

27divinenanny
Jul 15, 2013, 4:30am Top

Maybe it's on purpose, but the numbering in the What Members Are Reading and Most Wishlisted starts over in every new column, instead of continuing on.

28Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 5:38am Top

Now my tag watch module shows empty - or rather "No recent activity for those tags." Until earlier today it was nicely populated, though it didn't seem to update.

Of course that "no recent activity" statement could have been true, except I entered some stuff using some of those tags myself about 24 hours ago.

29guido47
Jul 15, 2013, 8:54am Top

Sorry tim #7, same bug :-(

30lorax
Jul 15, 2013, 9:10am Top

28>

Mine's showing "no recent activity" as well, after not having updated for some days. I didn't add any books with those tags myself, though.

31timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 10:04am Top

Is it s a bug that it's not possible to translate the Dashboard page? I'm on fi. site and "translate" tool won't show the items that need translating. For example, the first item on the page, "Your books", gives

Thanks for noticing this. The text is still translateable--it's yellow and it makes its way to the "all translations" lists. But it doesn't currently associated the modules with the /home page. I'll get on having them do so.

32jules_l
Jul 15, 2013, 10:04am Top

"Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" is showing me some covers without the "high quality" overlay, even though I have the "Show only high-quality covers" box ticked in Settings.

I get a different set of covers if I untick the box, and the same low-res ones come back again if I retick it, so I'm guessing there's a difference in the threshold between the overlay and the module. The dimensions of the two I can see at the moment are 171 x 250 and 163 x 250.

33timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 10:05am Top

Now my tag watch module shows empty - or rather "No recent activity for those tags." Until earlier today it was nicely populated, though it didn't seem to update.

Yeah. I'm rebuilding it right now. It died in the middle of deleting and refreshing all the data. Yipes.

34ryvre
Edited: Jul 15, 2013, 11:08am Top

Connection news is currently blank for me. (FF 22.0 and Opera 12.16)

Edit: Never mind. It's working now.

35Nicole_VanK
Jul 15, 2013, 1:53pm Top

>33 timspalding:: Okay, no worries. We still love you ;-)

36lorax
Jul 15, 2013, 1:59pm Top

33>

I'm rebuilding {Tag Watch} right now. It died in the middle of deleting and refreshing all the data.

So, "Tag watch will return shortly"? ;-)

37timspalding
Jul 15, 2013, 2:07pm Top

38Nicole_VanK
Jul 16, 2013, 1:25am Top

Caveat: This is very minor, just an oddity really.

I have my browser set to delete all cookies at the end of each session, and I've learned to live with the fact that I will loose some of the things I had set previously.

However: it is surprising to see that "Recent Automatic Recommendations" reverts to cover view every day, while "Recent Member Recommendations" does retain my preferred titles view.

39timspalding
Jul 16, 2013, 2:33am Top

FWIW, I'm going to be off much of tomorrow on family business. So no home bugs will be quenched. Cheers.

40Collectorator
Edited: Jul 16, 2013, 6:15am Top

When I use the Reorder feature on the Dashboard, the seventh item has a white bar above the gray bar. It's hard to describe, so I will attempt a screen shot.

41omargosh
Jul 16, 2013, 8:17am Top

Bug: Still seeing the "double X" to close the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" lightboxes. In my configuration the outside X is partially offscreen:
Bug: There's still a discrepancy in tag proposal vote counts. I want my Undecideds counted everywhere.

Bug: "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for your Books" seems to be showing my cover as the blank maroon one by default, even though my no-cover image should be the default dark green one (I don't think I've ever used one of the other ones). I'm also seeing a maroon cover appearing in other places where it shouldn't, or at least it never was before, e.g. this book (at right) and series pages.

Unsure if bug: Clicking "Add to" on each module also shows that module's settings.

Bug: A decent number of times, the Review link in roulette just takes me to a work page instead of any review.

Buggish: I got quite a few empty Award pages in the roulette.

Also, I know it's not a bug, but I just don't like the "ns-resize" cursor when reording modules. Makes me think I'm supposed to be stretching the modules. Threw me off. Would much prefer either the "move" (four-point) cursor or the grabby hands (open on hover and clinched on mousedown).

Thanks.

42Doondeck
Jul 16, 2013, 9:10am Top

I have 14 pictures in my Member Gallery. When the new design launched, 12 showed up on my home page. After noting the bug, I now have 13 pictures. Waiting on the 14th.

43Mareofthesea
Jul 16, 2013, 11:18am Top

Last night I added a couple of books to my library. Today, when I look at my recently added module, which is sorted with a shelf and date the word "yesterday" overlaps. Screenshot is in my junk drawer.
Windows 7 & FF 22.0. Replicated on IE 8.0 (I know, should be updated but work programs won't work on newer versions...)

Also on the screenshot, notice the beautiful salmon color lives on in the tabs. ;)

44jjmcgaffey
Jul 16, 2013, 1:39pm Top

Buggish - In Recent Member-uploaded Covers (and probably in other module using covers, but I don't shift stuff around in those so often), it seems to have decided that two rows is 16 covers. But sometimes - often - nine covers fit on the top row, so it then shows seven on the second. If it's going to squish the covers that closely together, there should be more showing; or it could decide it's 16 and always split it in the middle.

I haven't gotten two wide covers together, so I don't know if it would go down to 15 if 16 won't fit on the two rows - I've only noticed the lesser version. 2 rows, ISBNs only, high-quality.

45timspalding
Jul 16, 2013, 10:26pm Top

I have 14 pictures in my Member Gallery. When the new design launched, 12 showed up on my home page. After noting the bug, I now have 13 pictures. Waiting on the 14th.

Nice catch! This was a tricky one. Basically, it was losing a picture in between some shelves. Fixed.

46Doondeck
Jul 16, 2013, 11:18pm Top

Thanks, Tim

47timspalding
Jul 16, 2013, 11:27pm Top

When I use the Reorder feature on the Dashboard, the seventh item has a white bar above the gray bar. It's hard to describe, so I will attempt a screen shot.

Fixed. Thanks.

48ryvre
Edited: Jul 17, 2013, 12:40am Top

On my Dashboard, the Connection Feed displays one less book than it should. If I set it to 10, it shows 9. If I set it to 2, it shows 1. Etc.

Edit: the Your Feed module is also displaying one item less than it should.

49omargosh
Edited: Jul 17, 2013, 3:00am Top

Intermittent Bug: occasionally when I visit the Thingaversary module, it will either show nothing below the "You joined ..." line, or have an "Error 1". This persists on reload, but goes back to working when I look again a few hours later. (ETA: Never mind, I just saw that this was already reported elsewhere so hopefully it's no longer a problem. Sorry 'bout that.)

Bug or feature?: I have Tag Watch in two pages, but they are watching different tags.

50omargosh
Jul 17, 2013, 2:51am Top

Another one: on the "Recent Book Haiku" module, I'm currently getting a perpetual icon (ok, I guess "several minutes" is not the same as "perpetual").

51jjmcgaffey
Jul 17, 2013, 3:46am Top

49> Feature, I believe. It's been mentioned for other modules - that you can set them different ways on different pages (as in, covers on the Recommendations page but text on the Dashboard, etc). The ability to watch different tags sounds like the same sort of thing, to me.

52omargosh
Jul 17, 2013, 4:10am Top

#51 by jjmcgaffey>
Ok, good to know. I can definitely see the use case for wanting different behaviors on different pages. It just threw me off when I first saw it, as if the sub-page module hadn't gotten the memo of the dashboard one's updates. But no problem now that I know it's intentional.

53omargosh
Jul 17, 2013, 4:38am Top

Bug: In the "Your helps" module, the "Work recommendations voting" link is still going to tags_combinations.php

Small thing: In the "Your helps" module, my "Cover flagging" count seems to be the number for my flagged cover votes (I was the actual flagger on only about 1/3 of that number).

54mysterymax
Jul 17, 2013, 6:43am Top

Would the fact that the green border around my "chosen" cover is not there anymore be a bug?

55mysterymax
Jul 17, 2013, 6:44am Top

Sorry, last night it was gone, but new it seems to be there...

56SqueakyChu
Jul 17, 2013, 8:52am Top

On the Home Page, under "Your Collections":

When I uncheck boxes in "Settings", it saves *all* of the collections instead of just the collections I've checked. Previously, this feature worked just fine. I first noticed the new problem this morning.

57drasvola
Jul 17, 2013, 11:09am Top

The overlapping of author's names in Author's Cloud is still happening.

The your collections module in the home page will show all collections even if you change what you want to show in the settings box.

58drasvola
Edited: Jul 17, 2013, 11:34am Top

I've also noticed the same problem (in post 56) with the collections settings. I've reported it a few minutes ago but apparently my post has been deleted.

Edited to add that my original post has reappeared. Sorry for the repetition.

59brightcopy
Edited: Jul 17, 2013, 12:13pm Top

When you are on your Dashboard and click Add to... and leave the destination as Dashboard and click save, it says "Module added to the bottom of the page. You can also reorder the modules." Yet it is not added to the bottom but to the top.

Why would you do something stupid like that, you may rudely ask? You'd do it if it throws you off when you're on another page and you click Add to... and afterwards it takes you to the page you are adding it to. And then you click Add to... again, thinking you were still on the original page. For some reason, it moving me to the destination page after adding always throws me off.

Perhaps the option to add it to the page you're already on could be disabled or just removed. Might fix both the problem of the message text and the confusion I experience (I'd go to add another module to the dashboard, see that I couldn't and realize I am already there.)

60elenchus
Jul 17, 2013, 12:23pm Top

>59 brightcopy:

I've had the same confusion, but see it could be equally a problem the other way round: instead of taking you to page to which you've just added a module, if it left you on the source page, some users would be confused by that.

Does disabling / removing the option to add to your current page really solve the problem? You'd only see that after opening settings, and have to close that page and navigate to the intended page, which seems to me another version of the original confusion / problem.

Perhaps I don't understand what you're identifying as the problem.

61brightcopy
Jul 17, 2013, 12:40pm Top

#60 by elenchus> Why wouldn't disabling adding a module FROM the current page TO the current page not solve the problem? That's a null operation. It does absolutely nothing. And when you do it, you get the incorrect status text I posted above.

It's confusion that in no way helps you figure out what you did wrong. And many times you don't even realize you should be confused. You think the thing you just tried to do (adding a module to a different page) worked fine. You may even click away to another page thinking job well done.

On the other hand, disabling/removing the current page is confusion that DOES help you figure out what's wrong. You're stopped right at the point of adding and have to ask yourself "Why doesn't it show 'Dashboard'?" You're given a chance to say "oh, riiiight. I'm already ON the Dashboard." It's makes your error (which is an error in either case) a highly discoverable one rather than a somewhat obfuscated one.

62omargosh
Jul 17, 2013, 2:05pm Top

#61 by brightcopy>
Or still show "Dashboard" in the dropdown menu, but have it grayed out and unselectable, and with some sort of parenthetical statement indicating that the module is already there. This could also be useful when you're trying to add a module to a page that it's already on (which, when I tried that with Tag Watch, took me to the page I was redundantly adding it to, told me it had added it to the bottom (not true, it was where I had put it before), fortunately left my data in place, but changed the module settings).

63Osbaldistone
Jul 17, 2013, 5:52pm Top

From the last comments on the previous topic page for this:
>180 gennyt
#178 This must be browser specific, because I use the talk module in the same way, using Back to return, and it always takes me back as before to the Talk module.This is on an Android phone, and on desktop and laptop using Chrome and Vista.

and

>181 brightcopy
#178 by Osbaldistone> Reproduced that in Chrome 28. Doesn't happen in FF 22. Both on Win8.

I just tried the 'back' button to return to the 'Home' page on a computer using IE8 and Chrome28 with Windows Vista, with the same result. Odd, on that computer with IE8 and Vista this was not a problem before the new 'Home' page was introduced.

Anyone have any ideas for settings in IE8 or Chrome 28, or is there something that can be incorporated into the 'Home' page so that it works as it did before? Otherwise, the 'Talk' module is of minimal use on the 'Home' page.

Os.

64brightcopy
Jul 17, 2013, 6:04pm Top

#63 by Osbaldistone> Well, the problem is that the browser is generally the one in charge of figured out where on the page you last were when you hit the back button. Yes, the webpage can override those things and move you elsewhere, but I don't think LT is (or it'd do it in FF as well). But for whatever reason, IE and Chrome just aren't figuring out where to scroll the screen. Likely their code just doesn't handle the layout of the new Home very well.

All that is to say, unfortunately, I don't think there's much you can do. If there's an obvious, easy and lightweight way LT could rejigger the code to make it more friendly to those browsers, that'd be great. But speaking as a web developer, it's not looking very obvious.

65Osbaldistone
Jul 17, 2013, 6:30pm Top

>64 brightcopy:
Oh, well. Thanks, brightcopy.

Os.

66timspalding
Jul 17, 2013, 9:36pm Top

Bug or feature?: I have Tag Watch in two pages, but they are watching different tags.

Feature.

Intermittent Bug: occasionally when I visit the Thingaversary module...

This should have been fixed. If you see it or anything like it again, re-report.

67ryvre
Jul 18, 2013, 1:29am Top

My Connection News has been blank all day. Before that, it was in and out.

The Your Feed module is now displaying far fewer actions than I selected. Selecting 1 or 2 displays none. Selecting 3 displays 1. Selecting 5 displays 2. Selecting 10 displays 6. Etc.

68qebo
Jul 18, 2013, 11:03am Top

Notepad columns are unbalanced. Good that individual notes aren’t split, but I’d expect the arrangement to be 1st column: note #1, 2nd column: note #2, 3rd column: notes #3 & #4. It's not just an aesthetic thing; I’m trying to reduce vertical space.


69ryvre
Jul 18, 2013, 11:52am Top

The Your Feed module keeps losing entries! Now it only displays 2 when I set it to 10.

My Connection News module is back (at least for now), but it's still displaying one fewer book than it should.

70brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:25pm Top

The "remove module" function is still lying and telling you modules are going to Unused even when they're not (e.g. Talk).

71keristars
Jul 18, 2013, 9:50pm Top

Speaking of overlap and sizing (wait, is that a different thread?), is this the same issue people have been reporting with the Thingaversary list? When I switched to the two-column layout, I suddenly got it bad, even with a refresh of the page:

72jjmcgaffey
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 12:52am Top

71> How did you get to a two-column format? Do you mean you went back to the old design? (no, that doesn't do it.) Waaaant...

73keristars
Jul 19, 2013, 12:56am Top

72> Easy! Scroll to the bottom of the page where it says "Reset to default" and so on, and click on the Two Column option. :D

74bestem
Jul 19, 2013, 12:56am Top

72> New option, at the bottom of the home page, lets you look at things in 2 columns.

75jjmcgaffey
Jul 19, 2013, 12:58am Top

Found it - thanks, guys! I hadn't finished reading Talk.

76ScarletBea
Jul 19, 2013, 3:02am Top

Not sure if it's really a bug, but how "recent" is the "recent covers added to your books"?
I think I'd like it to always show a row of covers, after I've used or dismissed the 'recent' ones... at the moment I've got "none".

77jjmcgaffey
Jul 19, 2013, 3:24am Top

Wow. I'd love to do that - or at least have a count of the covers waiting. Maybe I have a lot more popular books than you (or Collectorator, who's also emptied her covers queue) do...but they keep coming.

78Nicole_VanK
Jul 19, 2013, 3:37am Top

But there's definitely some date "barrier". (I've emptied mine too - the good thing is: yesterday somebody uploaded a cover for one of my rarer books and it immediately popped up. Lovely.)

79brightcopy
Jul 19, 2013, 10:55am Top

There's still some minor formatting problems on a few modules (sometimes depending on the mode). I'm sure some of these are debatable. Many of them aren't horrible by themselves, but they're just inconsistent across modules.

1) Any module that you can set to covers (e.g. Recently Added) when you change the cover size to Small or Tiny. TONS of space between the navigation bar and the covers.

2) Speaking of navigation bars, they are very near the module header. However, modules without the title|covers|shelf navigation headers have about double the space between their header and their content. Even ones with their own navigation bars like MWYB's weighted|raw|recent.

3) Adding onto this, maybe all navigation bars should have a consistent placement and style. Take the background color used by the Your Library over Time or the language nav bar at the top of reviews and use that everywhere. The color of the titles|covers|shelf navigation bar is the same as the header above it and makes it blend a little too much. But if you do decide to stick with that color, apply it across all modules with headers.

4) Bit gap at the bottom of Your Library over Time. It's dealing with having a lot of a border at the bottom of the graph element combined with a bunch of padding in the parent element(s). Overall, it just combines together to make a lot of wasted space.

5) Reviews for Your Books language nav bar is twice as far from the module header as others such as Recently Added or Your Library over Time.

6) Big gap at the bottom of LibraryThing Roulette.

7) The "Updated every 30 minutes" at the bottom of Your Zeitgest is unfortunate because it adds a significant gap. Is it really important enough? I understand that you want it there so people won't complain about it not updated. But maybe it's overkill in the module.

80OysteinH-O
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 11:09am Top

Hi, I'm very happy with the recent changes. I've noticed a couple of possible bugs though:

1: The number of books in my library seems to be incorrect under the "Your books" module, as well as the "recently added" module.
For me these both show 2,364, but when I go to my catalog I get 2,321, which I suspect is the correct number. I've noticed that the latter number decreases when I remove books from my library, but the other two don't. They are however incremented when I add books.

I figured at first it might just be a number that's only synchronized once a night or something like that, but it's been wrong for a while now.
(edit: I see now that under collections, it says "All collections 2,364 / Your library 2,321." The only other collection I have is "currently reading" which is at 2 entries right now.)

2: "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" currently shows two covers, both of books I've recently removed from my collection. Funnily enough, the covers shown are the ones I uploaded. When I open one, I am not given the option to dismiss it. Under "Your current cover" it says simply "Arrayerror."

(Feel free to log in using my account if you're unable to recreate any of these)

81kathi
Jul 19, 2013, 11:34am Top

Sometimes on my home page I get a very nice 3-column list of my collections, (I have about 70 collections.) It appears when I first log on to the site and I spend a moment or two admiring it. Then I start traveling around the site, but whenever I return to the home page the collections list has changed, and not in a good way. It now appears in 6 crowded columns with overlap between two of the columns, making it ugly and difficult to read. This has occurred multiple times.

Nothing has changed since I originally reported this bug on July 3rd. Thanks in advance for taking another look at it.

82Osbaldistone
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 2:34pm Top

>80 OysteinH-O:
FWIW, I know I forget about books on my wishlist. Are you sure you don't have a few there? Other than something in a 'wishlist' or other collection that is not part of 'Your library', I'm not sure why the two numbers would differ. Mine align when I take these into account.

Os.

83jjmcgaffey
Jul 19, 2013, 2:40pm Top

80, 82> I went to the profile - and yes, the numbers don't add up. Only two collections visible...hmmm. Is it possible you have books in deactivated collections? Do books in there show up in the All Collections number? Might be worth checking. Other than that - usually numbers out of sync need a cache cleared - Jeremy can do that, if you PM him or put it into Bug Collectors. This one isn't related to the new home at all - it's a catalog glitch.

The second is a new home bug, though. Interesting.

841dragones
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 2:57pm Top

I have my covers set to the largest size graphics and three rows so they are (theoretically) easier to see. Nevertheless, they seem to be continually downsizing. At last peek, I had 47 covers showing in the three rows... two of those covers wider than normal... about wide enough that the same space could accomodate two normal width covers instead of one wider cover. I would love to limit the covers showing to no more than about 30 covers in the three rows at that size, or with the two wider covers in my recently added inventory, maybe only 28 covers in the three rows would be fair.

ETA: Weird. The cover issue seems to have solved itself when I reset the zoom level to normal... really odd.

One other thing I noticed is that when I zoom in to make the text easier to read, the columns that list my collections collide. This only happens at the left edge of the second column from the left side of the page, but it prevents me from being able to zoom the text up to a legible size.

Now that I can view the site at normal and still see the entire three rows of my covers, the collision issue is still there but sowmewhat moot.

85ELiz_M
Jul 19, 2013, 4:28pm Top

>79 brightcopy: And hopefully Tim, cD, etc will also look at extra spaces in the modules that have "show titles" options as well:



I would prefer to only have ONE "next" link (keeping the one in the top bar) and wish the "all recommendations" link could be in the same line as titles|covers| shelf. If it must be at the bottom for consistency with the other modules, could it be tighter? Ditto for the "Recent Automatic Recommendations" module.

86timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 5:47am Top

Is it s a bug that it's not possible to translate the Dashboard page? I'm on fi. site and "translate" tool won't show the items that need translating. For example, the first item on the page, "Your books", gives

Thanks. I've massively increased the ability here. Basically, translation is by page, and parts of pages that "come in" later--they are "ajaxed" in--while available to be translated, don't necessarily pop up on the "Translate this!" link, which shows only translations it associates with the page itself. I've gone ahead and associated those "pieces" with the home page propper.

87OysteinH-O
Jul 20, 2013, 6:01am Top

The cover problem seems to be fixed, I'm happy to report.
I assumed the out-of-sync counts were a new issue, but I realize now it's possible I simply hadn't noticed it earlier. It's not really a big deal for me, but figured it was worth mentioning in case it was something new that affected more people than me.

88timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 6:16am Top

Coverguess points on the home page helpers module is 4 times that shown on the game page itself.

Fixed. Thanks.

89timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 6:38am Top

Last night I added a couple of books to my library. Today, when I look at my recently added module, which is sorted with a shelf and date the word "yesterday" overlaps. Screenshot is in my junk drawer.

Thanks. I don't really have an answer to this. The logic makes it very hard to add spacing for these words--it figures out the shelf based on the cover size.

Probably the answer is to express it as a date if the cover size is below something?

Buggish - In Recent Member-uploaded Covers (and probably in other module using covers, but I don't shift stuff around in those so often), it seems to have decided that two rows is 16 covers.

This should be better now. It can't be perfect.

90timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 7:09am Top

Last night I added a couple of books to my library. Today, when I look at my recently added module, which is sorted with a shelf and date the word "yesterday" overlaps. Screenshot is in my junk drawer.

Thanks. I don't really have an answer to this. The logic makes it very hard to add spacing for these words--it figures out the shelf based on the cover size.

Probably the answer is to express it as a date if the cover size is below something?

Buggish - In Recent Member-uploaded Covers (and probably in other module using covers, but I don't shift stuff around in those so often), it seems to have decided that two rows is 16 covers.

This should be better now. It can't be perfect.

On my Dashboard, the Connection Feed displays one less book than it should

Fixed.

Edit: the Your Feed module is also displaying one item less than it should

I'm opening a bug for this. I don't want to fix it now, for technical reasons. http://www.librarything.com/topic/156867

Bug: In the "Your helps" module, the "Work recommendations voting" link is still going to tags_combinations.php

Fixed. Since you can't edit on the summary page, it doesn't have a good link. So it's de-linked.

When I uncheck boxes in "Settings", it saves *all* of the collections instead of just the collections I've checked. Previously, this feature worked just fine. I first noticed the new problem this morning.

Fixed.

91timspalding
Edited: Jul 20, 2013, 7:38am Top

When you are on your Dashboard and click Add to... and leave the destination as Dashboard and click save, it says "Module added to the bottom of the page. You can also reorder the modules." Yet it is not added to the bottom but to the top.

Are you still seeing this? I'm confused exactly what you're doing.


Why wouldn't disabling adding a module FROM the current page TO the current page not solve the problem

Ah. Okay, nm. Fixed. Thanks. I made it disabled.

92timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 7:49am Top

Cover issues in general—see http://www.librarything.com/topic/156869

93timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 8:31am Top

The "remove module" function is still lying and telling you modules are going to Unused even when they're not (e.g. Talk).

Changed. Man, that was a PAIN to fix!

It now says the bit about the unused module if it's nowhere else.

94KarenElissa
Jul 20, 2013, 9:24am Top

The tag combination module always says I have one that needs my vote even though when I go there, there aren't any. It also says I have 101 voted on the module, but 102 on the page, I assume these problems are related.

BTW, thanks for that module, I've been doing way more voting now that I have an easy way to see what needs to be done.

95jules_l
Edited: Jul 20, 2013, 9:34am Top

Bug in the Recent Member uploaded covers module:

If you click on Flag, the "not a cover"/"spam"/"inapplicable" links are inactive, so you can't actually flag it from the module. You have to go to work covers and do it from there.

Update: if someone else has already flagged it as potentially wrong, you don't see that when you click on Flag to expand it either.

96bestem
Jul 20, 2013, 10:05am Top

On the member uploaded covers, I got a bug. http://sdrv.ms/17sI2Zq

One of the covers has 2 different high quality tags on it (the second one). The two tags stayed with the cover as I dismissed covers before it in line, causing that cover to move up in line, but went away when I refreshed the page. Maybe it's a problem with my computers cache or something, but I thought I'd let you know, if not.

97ryvre
Jul 20, 2013, 10:49am Top

Am I the only one having intermittent problems with the Connection Feed module? It doesn't load anything some of the time, but occasionally it will work just fine. I've tested it on Firefox, Opera, and IE on my laptop and on Safari and Puffin on my iPad. It loaded when I hit my home page just now, but it was blank across all browsers about 5 minutes ago.

98divinenanny
Jul 20, 2013, 2:06pm Top

Maybe it's on purpose, but the numbering in the What Members Are Reading and Most Wishlisted starts over in every new column, instead of continuing on.

99timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 2:56pm Top

Speaking of overlap and sizing (wait, is that a different thread?), is this the same issue people have been reporting with the Thingaversary list? When I switched to the two-column layout, I suddenly got it bad, even with a refresh of the page:

Fixed. It's now calculating based on a larger presumed column size.

Any module that you can set to covers (e.g. Recently Added) when you change the cover size to Small or Tiny. TONS of space between the navigation bar and the covers.

Yeah, that's outstanding. It doesn't look so great.

Speaking of navigation bars, they are very near the module header. However, modules without the title|covers|shelf navigation headers have about double the space between their header and their content. Even ones with their own navigation bars like MWYB's weighted|raw|recent.

From the title bar to the title|covers|shelf navigation, the distance is the same as any other module. Certainly there's more space to the "content," but that's because it needs that nav.

it gap at the bottom of Your Library over Time. It's dealing with having a lot of a border at the bottom of the graph element combined with a bunch of padding in the parent element(s). Overall, it just combines together to make a lot of wasted space.

Noted. I've asked Chris to review the JavaScript to cut it down.

Reviews for Your Books language nav bar is twice as far from the module header as others such as Recently Added or Your Library over Time.

Fixed. Thanks.

Big gap at the bottom of LibraryThing Roulette

Fixed elsewhere.

The "Updated every 30 minutes" at the bottom of Your Zeitgest is unfortunate because it adds a significant gap. Is it really important enough? I understand that you want it there so people won't complain about it not updated. But maybe it's overkill in the module.

I've reduced the space between the modules to more of an eye-fit.

Weird. The cover issue seems to have solved itself when I reset the zoom level to normal... really odd.

We should, perhaps start working on solutions for people who zoom. But LT is designed for a no-zoom situation. That has to be the benchmark against which something is declared a bug.

>79 brightcopy: And hopefully Tim, cD, etc will also look at extra spaces in the modules that have "show titles" options as well:

Thanks. So, I've removed the second "next" if there are 10 or fewer items in the column above it. If it's longer than that, I think the "next" is useful, so you don't need to go up. I've also reduced and regularized the space between the bottom of the list and the "»All member recommendations" or etc. Looks better.

100timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 2:59pm Top

Correction: I didn't push all those changes from development to live until now.

101timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 3:03pm Top

I've also tightened up the top margins on the "list" format for titles.

102timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 4:08pm Top

Maybe it's on purpose, but the numbering in the What Members Are Reading and Most Wishlisted starts over in every new column, instead of continuing on.

Fixed. Thanks.

103timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 4:11pm Top

One of the covers has 2 different high quality tags on it (the second one). The two tags stayed with the cover as I dismissed covers before it in line, causing that cover to move up in line, but went away when I refreshed the page. Maybe it's a problem with my computers cache or something, but I thought I'd let you know, if not.

Interesting, but I can see how that might happen in rare circumstances with a database being half-way behind. I think I'd rather see a few other members reporting it before I try to dig deep on it.

104timspalding
Jul 20, 2013, 5:56pm Top

If you click on Flag, the "not a cover"/"spam"/"inapplicable" links are inactive, so you can't actually flag it from the module. You have to go to work covers and do it from there.

Fixed. Thanks.

105Louve_de_mer
Jul 21, 2013, 2:44am Top

In the Your recent reviews module the text of each review is preceded by a quotation mark (") .

106KarenElissa
Jul 21, 2013, 10:15am Top

The next and previous links on the talk module aren't working right. The "next" one seems to be working ok, but "prev" sometimes doesn't do anything and sometimes takes you to the next page instead.

107timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 2:05pm Top

In the Your recent reviews module the text of each review is preceded by a quotation mark (") .

All for "Hot Reviews." I've kept it. It rarely shows the entire review--it's a fragment. I think it sets it off more clearly as a review. I could, perhaps, be persuaded to drop it for "Your Recent Reviews" and keep it for "Hot Reviews."

108timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 2:12pm Top

The next and previous links on the talk module aren't working right. The "next" one seems to be working ok, but "prev" sometimes doesn't do anything and sometimes takes you to the next page instead

I'm bugging this up separately. I have a feeling it's going to be complex to figure out, and it needs more research.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156902

109omargosh
Jul 21, 2013, 5:44pm Top

Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere, I don't recall, but I just noticed it. My "Your Zeitgeist" module shows me as having 2076 books, but elsewhere (profile, catalog, "Your Books" module), it claims 2082. I have more than 6 dupes, and I don't think I have that many private books. I just did a search of my catalog and didn't see the reindexing bar, so I don't think that's it either. Anyway, not a biggie for me, but reporting anyway.

110ryvre
Jul 21, 2013, 5:52pm Top

Now my Connection News module is showing one more item than it should.

111timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 8:25pm Top

Now my Connection News module is showing one more item than it should.

Yeah, sorry. That bug is going to stick around a while, until we replace it.

>109 omargosh:

Marked. Will check.

112lorax
Jul 21, 2013, 8:31pm Top

107>
I think it sets it off more clearly as a review.

In the context of a clearly labeled "Hot Reviews" module, what the heck else would it be? (It makes even less sense for the "Your Recent Reviews", where the user can be reasonably expected to know what it is they wrote.)

113timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 8:33pm Top

It's not a reading issue, but a quick-glance visual one.

114omargosh
Jul 22, 2013, 3:13am Top

Looks like my Zeitgeist count was fixed. Thanks!

Another issue I noticed: If you add/copy a module to not-Dashboard, you are then moved to the specified subpage and told it was added to the bottom and that you can reorder things. However, when you click the reorder link, you are given the Dashboard's modules to reorder. (Doesn't seem to matter if you started on the Dashboard or not.)

115KarenElissa
Jul 22, 2013, 8:04am Top

Today when I went to edit the setting on one of the modules on my dashboard (tag watch), clicked save, forgot something so clicked the settings button again and it just popped me back up to the top of the page without opening the settings box. I can refresh the page and it works fine.

The same things seems to be happening on any module I've tried and on the various other pages to. It only happens if I click save, cancel and the x box both work fine.

116ccatalfo
Jul 22, 2013, 8:37am Top

>79 brightcopy:

Regarding 4) Your Library over Time: with which mode or combination of modules were you seeing this extra padding?

117omargosh
Jul 22, 2013, 9:39am Top

Getting the empty Thingaversaries problem again (now and when I was looking several hours ago).

118gennyt
Jul 22, 2013, 12:12pm Top

#117 Me too...

119PhaedraB
Jul 22, 2013, 2:38pm Top

Hey, Tim, have you checked the new covers for your books module thread recently? Some problems and a lot of suggestions.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/156869

120hailelib
Jul 22, 2013, 4:34pm Top

Thingaversaries module is still empty.

121richardderus
Jul 23, 2013, 11:10am Top

>49 omargosh: said "Intermittent Bug: occasionally when I visit the Thingaversary module, it will either show nothing below the "You joined ..." line, or have an "Error 1". This persists on reload, but goes back to working when I look again a few hours later. (ETA: Never mind, I just saw that this was already reported elsewhere so hopefully it's no longer a problem. Sorry 'bout that.)"

>120 hailelib: said "Thingaversaries module is still empty."

Me too, but only once in a while. Chrome on Chromium OS.

122hailelib
Jul 23, 2013, 11:16am Top

This morning empty in FireFox and Safari on two different accounts...

123timspalding
Edited: Jul 23, 2013, 12:16pm Top

Getting the empty Thingaversaries problem again (now and when I was looking several hours ago).

Fixed. Shoot me. It was set to run at 25:00. <headdesk>

124richardderus
Jul 23, 2013, 12:24pm Top

>123 timspalding: I'm sure the Martian Thingamabrarians were very grateful.

125timspalding
Edited: Jul 23, 2013, 12:27pm Top

Nope. Mars takes 24 hours, 39 minutes. Mercury and Venus, apparently. :) See how bugs begin? I WAS programming for Mars!

126ScarletBea
Jul 24, 2013, 3:04am Top

Hi, I've seen it posted in other related threads, but maybe it's better to focus here.
You had fixed the flagging covers from the pop-up window in the "Recently uploaded covers" module, but it's not working again - we can't flag covers from there, the links don't do anything :(

(and gawd knows there are a bunch of them that need flagging!)

127brightcopy
Jul 24, 2013, 12:49pm Top

(Responding to message in other thread)
#15 by @raven_moon> I have to be honest here - I didn't really understand what you were trying to say in that other topic. But now that I re-read it a couple of times, let me summarize the bug:

Tags module horizontal view shows tag counts in parentheses rather than as a right-aligned as shown in vertical view.



Just to be clear up front, the following was written in a friendly tone with the only intent to be helpful. It could sound like I was being very condescending or defensive if you read it in another tone.

For better or worse, Tim and cD were trying to set up different threads to "triage" the bugs and comments on two different but coinciding major changes to the site. Each programmer was responsible for fixing bugs in each of the two parts, and it was going to be difficult going through those - at current count over 2500 - messages. So they tried to split it up and put links to those threads and told people to report those bugs/comment in those threads.

As I've said before, I think they could have done a better job. They needed a clearer description of what was "design" and what was "home" (with screenshots marking each part), and they needed to keep on top of continuations to the threads to make sure that information was put in the first post of each one. But I think they'd agree with those shortcomings as well. It's always clearer in hindsight.

The comment on your other topic was that they should rename the "GROUP", not the topic. This meant they should rename the "New Features" to something like "New Feature Announcements" or similar, to make it more obvious that the only people who are supposed to start threads there are LT staff. This is stated in the group description if you click on the group but many people miss it. And lately, many more have missed it so that comment was expressing that poster's frustration that it'd happened yet again. They could have handled it more constructively, yes. But you know how it goes sometimes.

Jeremy moved your comment out of the New Features group and into Talk about LibraryThing. It might have been better if he'd just copied and pasted your message into the current Home bugs thread. But it's quite possible he didn't understand it, either, and so moved it to the most appropriate place. I feel it would have eventually gotten answered by LT staff, as this is a highly visible place for that. They're still triaging things a bit.

Did any of that help? There are a couple of things I left out but I feel like they were minor and that digressing even more wouldn't be helpful. Thanks for caring enough to report the problem, as I certainly didn't notice it and I don't remember reading anyone else reporting it (I could be wrong.)

128Mithalogica
Jul 24, 2013, 7:08pm Top

>127 brightcopy:: Thank you, both for the clarification of for addressing my frustration. Onward! :)

I am seeing from your screenshots that this might be a browser specific thing (Chrome v. 28.0.1500.71/Mac OS 10.8.4). My view of the "horizontal" (bottom) arrangement that you have posted looks much like your does. My only quibble there is that since the horizontal display has clearly defined columns, reading across seems rather counter-intuitive. I wonder if the horizontal layout might not work better with horizontal dividers (or maybe even alternating row colors)?

However, RE the top shot, the "vertical" arrangement, my browser does not show the vertical dividers, nor does it have the extra spacing that comes with them. So the count numbers are mashed up against the next column, thusly:



Reading across blank space is always dodgy, but if I had the dividers and a bit more room between columns, I could certainly live with it. (Though even in the screenshot you posted, I would tend to say that there should be less gap between tag & count for readability, though I know you are likely tied to some limit based on tag length? Come to think of it, even with dividers, the vertical layout might also benefit from alternating row colors, or tab leaders or something.)

Does that help clarify? If I'm still not being clear (which is altogether possible, I'll be the first to admit), I could 'mock up' what I mean....

129SqueakyChu
Jul 24, 2013, 8:36pm Top

Is this a bug or is Your Library Over Time supposed to work this way?

I am now trying to subtract books from my To Read collection on Your Library Over Time as I'd like to whittle down my TBR list. The YLOT graph doesn't allow the largest number of book to remain. As I delete books from my To Read collection, the top of the blue graph starts to flatten out over time rather than show a peak which then descends. That seems odd to me.

130brightcopy
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 12:45am Top

Edit: See steps in #135 to reproduce the problem.

#128 by @raven_moon> Ah, yes, that does seem like a bug with the dividers. It works for me in Chrome and FF, so I had wrongly assumed it was something already fixed since you first posted.

I'm not sure why it affects your Chrome and not mine. Do you know if it's up-to-date? You can see the version by going to the URL:
chrome://version/

What operating system are you on?

131Mithalogica
Edited: Jul 24, 2013, 8:57pm Top

#130 brightcopy : Yes, I'm up to date: Chrome v. 28.0.1500.71 running on Mac OS 10.8.4 FWIW, I checked this on Safari (6.0.5., also up to date).

ETA: I can check on FireFox too, on the other computer. I'll let you know. :) Same thing on Firefox (22.0. Same operating system.)

132brightcopy
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 12:45am Top

Edit: See steps in #135 to reproduce the problem.

#131 by @raven_moon> Good thinking checking the other browsers. Wow, that is indeed crazy that it's not showing it on any browser you have. Granted, I'm on a Win8 PC and you're on a Mac, but I think that still doesn't explain it. I've tried to even set up my tags module just like yours, with 45 tags, sorted by count and laid out vertically.

To be more precise, I'd say it's weird that the dividers don't show BETWEEN the columns. I see a divider running down the right side, though that could be the normal divider between the modules and the news. Is it? It looks to close but who knows on your screen.

Can you also check Your Zeitgeist, Your Collections and Your Helps and see if they have dividing lines (that last one has "interrupted" dividing lines, but they're there).

It's going to be interesting to see what Tim gets when he logs in as you.

133krazy4katz
Jul 24, 2013, 9:58pm Top

For what it's worth, i have dividers between my columns in Safari, Mac OS.

k4k

134Mithalogica
Jul 24, 2013, 11:25pm Top

132 (and 133 - thanks for that, BTW :) ) Huh. OK, 'Zeitgeist' has dividers. 'My Collections' I can't say since I only have 3 (I don't use them much!) it's all in one *really* wide list. I do have 'use columns' set to 'yes,' but perhaps there is a cutoff for how many items before it splits? 'Helps' has the 'split' dividers as you described.

Yes, the rule you see on my screencap is the line between the main content and the news column (it seems grey, not tan, yes?).

So, getting really curious now, I put the tags module on a couple of other pages (About You, etc.) and still no dividers. BUT if I set the page to one column, I get dividers and proper spacing. (Which answers why this never bugged me before - it seems to happen with the two column option only!) And just in case you're curious, I have viewed the pages on both my monster 27" iMac with its crazily huge page width, and on my laptop with a much narrower screen. No difference, except I get three columns on the large screen, two on the smaller. There also isn't any difference on a window resize/refresh.

So, that's everything I can think of to check, unless you want me to pull the code as it gets to my browser. And that makes me officially stumped..... :(

Er, log in as me? Eeep - that's an odd thought! LOL Other than now becoming really irked that this thing is so...weird, I'm thinking it's maybe not worth the fuss....

135brightcopy
Jul 25, 2013, 12:44am Top

#134 by @raven_moon> Eureka:


(click image to giganticize)

Your clue about the one column/two column set me on the right path.

To reproduce: Set your view to two columns. Put the Tags module AFTER a page break. This causes the dividers to disappear. You can put it right after the page break or several modules down.

The Your Collections module is also buggy in the same way. The Your Zeitgeist seems unaffected.

Personally, I think it's awesome you found this bug, as it might likely have went unnoticed for quite some time if the "right people" (people like you, the developers, other people who have an eye for things going wrong) didn't have their Home set up just right. Sorry your initial response to reporting it went so awry but hopefully it's set right now.

Now Tim just has to get around to fixing it. :D

136MerryMary
Jul 25, 2013, 2:08am Top

Is giganticize the same as embiggen?

137brightcopy
Jul 25, 2013, 8:26am Top

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

138Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 11:31am Top

Yup, it's certainly the opposite of emlittlun ;-)

139MerryMary
Jul 25, 2013, 11:25am Top

137> I'm sure it is.

*runs off to google "cromulent"*

Well. I didn't even know I was using neologisms.

*runs off to google "neologism"*

140Mithalogica
Edited: Jul 25, 2013, 12:31pm Top

# 135: Wow - that is a bit of an obscure little beastie, isn't it? Very happy to help, and thanks so much for the discussion on the topic. As for before, really, no worries - new code pushes, especially those with user feedback, are stressful (in the same sort of way having all your toenails ripped off by midgets could be described as 'stressful'), and I totally understand that. ;)

Well, I shall keep my tags below the page break until 'tis fixed so you have someplace to check it. Do let me know if there is anything else I can do. (And thanks for the neologism-o-rama! LOL)

141kathi
Jul 30, 2013, 2:28pm Top

Here I am again, reporting this bug for the THIRD TIME:
Sometimes on my home page I get a very nice 3-column list of my collections, (I have about 70 collections.) It appears when I first log on to the site and I spend a moment or two admiring it. Then I start traveling around the site, but whenever I return to the home page the collections list has changed, and not in a good way. It now appears in 6 crowded columns with overlap between two of the columns, making it ugly and difficult to read. This occurs every time I use the site.

Nothing has changed since I posted about the issue on July 3rd and again on July 19th. What do I have to do to get Tim's attention?

Losing patience. Bigtime. Seriously.

142jjmcgaffey
Jul 30, 2013, 2:38pm Top

Given your repeated reports - I'd put it in Bug Collectors too, so it can be tracked there (not that that guarantees any attention, but...) and link to your three reports. Add info (I don't remember if you put it in the previous reports) about your browser and OS, and screen size/resolution.

143jjwilson61
Jul 30, 2013, 3:15pm Top

Given that it's been several weeks since the feature was put out and the developers don't seem to be spending much time on these threads anymore, it's probably time to start using the bug tracker for any remaining bugs.

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