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280> No, it lists them in blog order--so as new ones are uploaded, they will appear. But it only updates those database tables at night.
Technically correct, but doesn't get to what mysterymax was trying to do. When mysterymax says new I think he (or she...why can't the Talk editor just figure out what gender a user is and automatically fill it in) means that he hasn't seen it before, not that it's been entered more recently. So the best answer is that if he accepts or rejects some of the covers on his list then he will see new ones (and if he waits 24 hours he can see new new ones).
What she means is that every day when she logs in, the 'recently uploaded' covers are the same as when she left the day before. They don't change unless I dismiss one.
308> Sorry if this was already suggested, but shouldn't there be a setting in the "Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books" module to only show covers for books that you don't have a cover of yet?
I'm another who will replace covers if (a) I'm using the default, (b) I picked an Amazon one as a stopgap, or (c) I've selected a custom cover but it's not high quality/for the wrong edition. Setting filters to show covers for books default or Amazon covers probably isn't too bad (though I've no idea of the computational overhead), but the third use case is tricker. Perhaps allow a Collection or a tag to be specified, and only display books in that category?
3> Oooh, I'd love that. I have a collection for Working On covers - if it only showed me covers for books in that collection, I could do a lot less dismissing (and thinking about whether to dismiss) and a lot more cover-applying.
2> Yeah, that's pretty much what I saw too - which may mean that not many new covers for my books are being added, or that something isn't updating. Collectorator actually got rid of all her covers, so presumably _any_ new ones would show up. Hmmm, I wonder what order "blog order" is - are new covers added to the front of the list, or the back? If it's FIFO, we'd have to empty the module to see new stuff.
On the New Covers pop-up it's often hard to tell if the new cover is better than my old cover because the sizes are different.
I would really like it if the one of the items in the "Your helps" module linked to /gallery/flagged. I'm just not sure which one.
The difference between "Author pic flags" and "Picture flagging" is unclear to me. I have "0" for the first one and "144" for the second. I have both flagged author pics and voted on author pics that others flagged, so I'm not quite sure what's being counted.
Would it be an idea to create a new thread for praise and comments and wishes about Recent Member-uploaded Covers for Your Books ?
What I'd like is the image of the cover that I already have be a link to the full size version, rather than the thumbnail it is now.
It also gets confusing now when you click on your own cover, it's like it's telling me there is another cover that looks exactly like mine...
Heh, I thought the Choose this cover option was gone when you'd already chosen that cover, showing the green border to signify so?? weird.
That feels like a bug to me.
edited to try to make it clear the green border is still there. it just lets me choose my own cover, again. and again. etc.
Yes, the last cover I was dealing with no longer had the green border.
We've added the ability to put home into two columns. See http://www.librarything.com/topic/156814
Would be interesting if you could add a cloud view to the Tags module. And maybe an Authors module (that would be like tags but for the authors in your catalog) with a cloud view. Clicking on them would take you to the catalog view filtered by that author.
1. Take away the "recommended by" line in member recommendations, or give us the option to do so.
2. Condense and move the "next" and "all recommendations" links somewhere at the top of the module (in the 2 recommendations modules). They don't merit so much space.
3. Make the module heading titles link to the relevant full page of LT. For example, if I'm looking at the Local module, I'll very likely want to click through to Local. That would be simpler and more ergonomic to do from the module itself than by moving my cursor up to the top of the page. Ditto for the Talk, Recommendations, and other modules.
When I was playing with the Profile, I found myself really wishing there was a button to Duplicate This Page. I wanted to save my Dashboard as a new page called "Profile" and then mess with my Dashboard again.
>12 brightcopy: And maybe an Authors module (that would be like tags but for the authors in your catalog) with a cloud view.
I would love an author cloud. I'd also like a series cloud and a publisher cloud (I don't know if the publisher one is possible). I started tagging my books with them, starting with author, publisher, and series, just so I can see them together in a cloud.
13> 1) A lot of people complained when there was no Recommended By line, when the new module first came out. I don't pay much attention, but it was specifically returned by request.
3) Module title as link - yes please! They were links, I still expect them to be (and keep clicking and being surprised when nothing happens). Including, as someone commented elsewhere, Recently Added. The old module title took you to your catalog sorted by Entry Date, most recent at the top; I'd love it if the new one would do the same.
>17 brightcopy: Right. I keep forgetting about it. I think maybe I don't like it as it is, but I don't know exactly why. Maybe that I can't limit it by collection or something.
16 jjmcgaffey: "A lot of people complained when there was no Recommended By line, when the new module first came out. ... it was specifically returned by request."
It was added, not returned. On the old home page, there was a much more compact module which contained a column for automatic recommendations and a column for member recommendations, which I'm 99% sure only had one line per work, with title and author -- no recommended by line. I do remember someone suggesting the recommended by line when the new page came out, but I'm not sure it was a lot of people.
I think it showed the recommender, but not why. I'll make both optional.
I'd still like to have less vertical white space in certain modules, like Your Notepad and Selected Thingaversaries:
#21 by _Zoe_> Ah, missed the Thingaversaries one because it was the bottom module. That's pretty bad.
The weird thing about notepad is that it leaves a LOT of room at the right. More than it even needs for the edit|delete. For fun, erase your notes and reload. You'll see the boilerplate "This box is a convenient place to put links and text you want easy access to from your home page." Add a note that is JUST that boilerplate. It now wraps instead of taking up one line. For no particular good reason that I can tell (it's set to single column).
>22 brightcopy: I believe you without carrying out the experiment myself :)
Another homepage option I'd like: the ability to show "Your library over time" for tags, not just collections.
By the way, if anyone wants to compare the look and modules of the old vs. new home page, you might check out this video announcing the old home page when it came out:
Having done quite a bit more work with the Recent Member-Uploaded Covers module - there are three things I would love to see, two of which should be easy. The two are: on my own cover (in the lightbox), say what size it is and, if it's a custom cover, who uploaded it (mostly so I can see which are mine). The third is, some way of seeing how many covers I still have to look at. I think it's going back in time (how far?), but I'm feeling frustrated because I see no progress; I dismiss a cover and another one appears. If I could see that I had thousands to look through but the numbers went down, I'd feel better about the time. And then I could watch that number and be excited when it went up...
Oh, and I would truly love for it to be displayable by collection/tag (as jules_l suggested in Msg 3). I have all my books that need their covers checked in one collection; if the module was filterable that way, it would be worth going through to the work and changing the collection when the cover that's offered is good enough. As it is, considerably more than half the time I have the book in Cover Done, which means I'm satisfied with its cover - but I can't see that from the module, and it's not worth clicking through to the work to check. So I have to spend time and mental energy on evaluating the cover and deciding if it's better than mine (and as someone else said, it's hard to compare a big cover and a thumbnail). If I got the filterable by collection, I wouldn't need to see how many covers I still have to work on.
There seems to be some sort of reasonable limit to the number of covers. With about 4300 books catalogued, I cleared all of mine in a fairly short time (I think less than a half hour).
It would be nice to filter by collection or tag.
I've spent more than that already - and I'm getting a lot of multiple covers (different covers for the same book). Even though I've got it set to Your ISBNs Only. I may just have more popular books - that more people have uploaded covers for - but...
OK, question for Tim or anyone - how far back does it go? I've reached May 2012 - does it go back to the "new" image system (mid-2010)? Further? That would help in knowing I've made progress.
I had 2011 for sure, and I think 2010, but I didn't notice anything earlier.
I progressed backward through 2013, 2012, 2011, and 2010. Now I'm on ones with no dates, so I have no idea how old they are.
I'd still like to have less vertical white space in certain modules, like Your Notepad and Selected Thingaversaries:
I've retooled Thingaversaries and Random, which had extra white space at the bottom of them. But I don't think the space in Your Notepad is a bad thing; the feature chrome, with "Add a note" and reorder buttons (conditionally) needs to be set off from the actual notes.
And after all my complaints, I'm out of covers (as of January 2012, for some reason). Nice! I presume new ones will pop up as people add them (including me). I've improved a great many of my covers - thanks, Tim!
> 33: I presume new ones will pop up as people add them
Yes, I already had that happen. And that for a pretty rare book, now 2 copies on LT. It could have taken "forever" for me to notice the cover was there otherwise. Lovey feature.
Big cover changes coming soon. You'll see more. Give it a few hours.
Oh, I had completely selfish motives for uploading it.
After I uploaded it, I thought about sending you a message, but then I decided to wait and see if the new module would do its work properly. It did.
I've suggested this before, but to repeat:
How about an "All" page, that has ALL the modules on it and won't allow them to be deleted (like the Unused page). I hate having to hunt around for a module, especially now that I can edit the default pages.
Meh. Another page? And people would complain it was too large and maybe even crashed their computer? I don't know.
Maybe a text list (instead of an interactive one) that named each add-able module and where to find it? I suspect there are a number I'd add if I knew they existed, but I don't have the time or cunning to track em all down. A mere text list wouldn't crash nuttin', right?
Straight-up fact: Modules are hard to find.
And they just get harder the more you actually make yourself at home and customize. This is mainly a problem for fing modules, not using them.I don't actually want an All page to look at module content. I just want to be able to find them. So a different solution targeting that would be appreciated.
Hadn't seen the no columns option before on Your Collections, home page, but it works great for phones and computer as I like that display on profile too, thanks. Now only the tags overlapping to fix...
# 44 Brightcopy > Modules are hard to find, in the sense that the table is now spread with a feast of options and I'm trying to locate the cranberry sauce, yes. Oh, and yes, everything on the table can - and likely is - shuffled around routinely.
Just as a mind-exercise, I have taken lilithcat's directory (posted here) and turned it into a LibraryThing Wiki Page, (here). And yes, I know the modules have changed since then, this is just an example of what is possible.
Potentially there could be a short text description linked to each module-title in the Wiki. It would also be possible to provide a link from each module-title to a discussion on (a) bugs, and (b) improvements. Presumably the Wiki Page could be accessed from somewhere on the Home Page, and of course the entries in the Wiki link back to the modules on the Home Page. I believe that the links pick up the context of whoever is logged on, so you are taken back to your OWN modules, etc.
The wiki area is member-modifiable, but that model seems to work for wikipedia, and LT seem to want to encourage LT members to use their LT wiki space. It's just another way of looking at this exercise. Although Tim and others have been tremendously responsive, and members have actually put in a huge amount of work in giving input (and helping each other out), I wonder if the wiki gives the members a chance to pick up even more of the load?
Edit: I note that Brightcopy might be suggesting a kind of interactive directory, which shows your modules' locations 'as you have arranged them'. What is discussed in this post of mine is a static directory indicating where the Modules start out from (or end up if you press 'reset to default'). If 'interactive' is what Brightcopy is getting at then I acknowledge that it is a superior solution, but presumably technically more difficult. And I'm getting outside my area of competence here.
Edit Edit: If an interactive directory could be constructed and presented, it might also be able to show in very summarised form what options are currently set for each module, eg for the 'Recently Added' Module something like ... 'RECENTLY ADDED. CoverSize:Medium, Shelves:2' Clicking on the Module title takes you to your module, clicking an any of the options takes you to the settings dialog box for that module. Again we are talking complexity - and I'm not arguing for it, or against it. For me, thinking about 'Design' is an obsession and much more fun than coding, but maybe a real programmer would see it differently...
Clicking on a tag's number on the home page does not appear to work. It doesn't bring up any books in library view and I have to go to a tag's Tag Page in order to click on the number, for it to work. Anyone else having problems with this?
You can now decide where the home-page columns break. Just drag the "Column break" module around.
This also gives you a handy way of making some pages two-column and some one-column. To make a page one-column, just drag the break to the end of the modules.
It will even let you put everything in the right column. Don't do that. It looks dumb. :)
I get a message saying that I favorited an author before he was divided into two authors and that I should unfavorite the author and then favorite the one I want to. Who should I ask how to do this? When I highlight the author I want to unfavorite i am sent to his page. Where can I learn how to unfavoite an author and where can I learn how to favorite an author?
You favorite and unfavorite authors from the author's page. I believe it's somewhere in the right-hand column.
Actually it's in "Members" in the central column. If you have favorited an author it shows so there, simply click that button again to unfavorite.
Okay, Tim, I know you don't care much about resizing but hear me out.
That's what I get before I reload after resizing. Most of the other modules I've seen do a much better job handling it than the Your books one. I'm not 100% sure why, but I think a lot of it has to do with the white-space: nowrap that's set on quickSearchForm (the form holding the search box and bar). It causes that module to stubbornly refuse to reflow.
In a similar problem that's not caused by resizing, I get this:
Notice how far the search box is poking its nose into the next column. I think this was always a problem but probably not as noticeable with one column. I know I can get it to happen in one column mode now. In two column mode, just try resizing just a little bigger/smaller and reload and you should see what's in my screenshot.
I think if you made the search box a little less aggressive in how much space it wants to take and turned off the white-space:nowrap, you'd get a much nicer acting module.
Any chance of getting a tags option for Your Library Over Time?
Yeah, not really. We could do it as a function of the date of a book, but we don't track the date of tags. We can come close--which is how we do tag watch—but it doesn't go back to the beginning of LibraryThing, and it has wiggle room.
I think she means Library Over Time for those books that are currently tagged a certain way.
>60 timspalding: I don't care if it doesn't go back to the beginning of LibraryThing; whatever history you have on the tag would be better than nothing. Even if it just started from now--you could always begin tracking the date now ;)
Basically, I like Madeline's idea of using the module to track unread books, but I do that via tags, not collections.
>62 _Zoe_: I use a collection for my "to read" books and I've set "Your Library Over Time" to show only that collection just like Madeline did. Yikes.....
>64 timspalding: I think it might actually be helpful!
I guess I'll duplicate all that information. I want to keep the tags so that I can see the information without displaying a collections column.
Could we have smart collections? ;)
I like having a "to read" collection vs. tag so that it is easy to search for tags within "to read". Also so that I can know that my TBR stack is taller than Stonehenge.
Good grief! I would be scared to know how tall my TBR list really was. There are some things you should not know...
Why did you eliminate Profile from the nav bar? I don't really use or care much about my Home page, but now I have to go there first in order to reach my Profile page. Less convenient than before.
#68 by walbat> You can click on your username at the top right of any screen (or generally anywhere else on the screen) to reach your profile. As to why, there were just too many things for the layout to work well as your screen gets smaller (especially mobile). Something had to go (but not really, because of the username).
>68 walbat:: You can bookmark your profile page in your browser and go there directly.
I would just to say thank you to the LibraryThing crew for staying involved in this thread, as well as the many other spin off threads involved in this upgrade. I have posted several questions and they have all been responded to very quickly, though not always with the answer I'd hoped for. I'm starting to get used to the new LThing.
* Oh, and any chance on rigging the tagging area to make it a little easier to add tags you have already used. Like, say a drop down menu that offers suggestions you can click on. I find I have to check my tags page rather often to make sure my tags are grouping properly. For example I find that I have things like "zombie" and "zombies" that do not connect. Even it offered suggestions based on the letters you type (ie: "z" would give me zombie, zombies and any other tags beginning with "z"). Sort of the way Google suggests things when you search. Just a thought.
ranaverde posted this to the design thread, but I think s/he has a good point:
Would it be possible to change the Early Reviewers module so that you can set it to show no book covers at all? To be honest, I don't really care which books are the most requested; instead I find the extra visual information to be distracting and unnecessary. If I want to look at the books, I'll go to the list itself.
I posted a request early in the discussion but didn't get any feedback. That's not a complaint. If nobody else has the same request, why would anybody respond? I can dig it. But I thought I'd repeat my small issue (just this once, I promise), in case it more or less fell through the cracks:
I would love to be able to add an individual collection, or maybe two, to the Your Books module. I only use two Collections: Your Library and Currently Reading. Both are nice to see on the Home Page, but since the figure for "Your Library" is the same figure shown as "Books" in the Your Books module, that's basically a redundancy. I do like having a link to my Currently Reading list right on the home page.
Right now, my Your Books module links are:
2,525 books | 6 collections | 198 tags | 1,826 authors
If I could get that to display thusly . . .
2,525 books | 6 collections | 198 tags | 1,826 authors | 8 currently reading
. . . then I could get remove the "Your Collections" module entirely and save myself some valuable Home Page real estate.
All told, a minor issue and maybe not worth the time to implement, given the evidently slim demand. But ya never know if ya don't ask!
In the modules like Top Automatic Recommendations and Recent Member Recommendations I automatically want to click on the words in the header to go to the page and see more. Instead you have scroll down to the bottom and click the All recommendations link. Maybe it is just my brain that works that way, but it seems if you could click on the title, then you could get rid of the link at the bottom and free up some screen space.
74: "In the modules like Top Automatic Recommendations and Recent Member Recommendations I automatically want to click on the words in the header to go to the page and see more. .... it seems if you could click on the title, then you could get rid of the link at the bottom and free up some screen space."
Agreed; I mentioned the header thing above in post 13, and I think you're right that this would help eliminate a lot of unnecessary space.
I believe Tim removed the links because it interfered with moving the modules in the layout-editing mode.
I assumed there was a technical reason why he did that instead of only removing them in the editing mode.
I can't locate the link for "books I've won." I thought it used to be on the Home Page. . .
If you check out the section on "Books" (in the left sidebar) the ER module should be there. You can reach the books you've won from there, and choose to move this module to your dashboard for easier access.
It would be good if Author Neverers had a tally in the "Your Helps" module.
Where did Early Reviewers & member giveaway go? It used to be on the right side of the homepage and now it's gone?
80> The module is under Discovery>Books (on the left nav - the list of links on the left of the Home page) - you could move that to the Dashboard and have it available even when the News column goes away.
Thanks jjmcgaffey found it and added it to dashboard appreciate the help.
I think the New Home pages are great. I'm just sad that the interest has waned. :(
I think the new home page is NOT great.
Initially, I hated it, just because it was different. Then I spent some time with it and moved things around, but still didn't like it very well because I couldn't see very much on the screen at one time.
Then Tim added the 2-column option and I loved that. But soon I realized that, while I could see several different modules at once (good), the talk module - my primary focus - was just too narrow for comfort. I found myself skipping talk more and more.
Then I decided to look again at the other pages to see if I could just use talk apart from the dashboard. I found it in the community section and set it to one-column so that I could more easily read it. (But still, it's not as easy to read as the old home page - WHAT CHANGED?)
But when I went back to the dashboard, now IT is one column - evidently that setting is universal (don't like). So, I guess I'm stuck using the Talk tab at the top of the screen and started re-arranging the dashboard to use that space for other modules.
Only now I find that I've somehow, in all my moving around, deleted the entire dashboard AND the entire community page. I've clicked to restore them to default, but that is the view that I hated back on Day 1.
The good news is that I'm getting more reading done because I'm spending less time on LT than before since it is now so off-putting.
If you put the divider at the bottom of a page, with the 2 column option set, that page, that page alone, will be 1 column. So that would be a workaround you might want to try.
I was too green to be able to comment on the changes early on. I wasn't accustomed to the "band aid salmon" design so had nothing to "lose."
But now that all the changes appear to have settled in, I want to comment: I like it. I like the chocolate bar. It's "boring" compared to other reading sites, but isn't that sort of the point? It's easy on the eyes, dignified and clean. The focus is on the text, not the images. The color scheme is a good expression of what Librarything is about.
The new organization works well for me. It's easier for me to find new features I didn't know existed when operating under the old design.
One thing I'd love to have as a resource: Authoritative cataloguing help. I'm on Librarything because I'm a persnickity, somewhat OCD classifier at heart.
I haven't commented very much, either. I liked the old one. I like the new one. I'm easy to please. Thanks LT peeps.
My "Read" collection has vanished. I still have "To Read" and "Read but Unowned", but my "Read" collection is gone. Please tell me this is a glitch, or that I'm seeing things. Has anybody else lost a collection?
Looking at your catalog, I can't see a 'Read' collection listed in the collection pop-up at the top left.
91> Check and see if you've set it inactive - that's the only way I can think of for an entire collection to vanish unless you deleted it by accident. Would there have been any books that were only in that collection? I doubt it, with the other collections you have. If there were any books that were only in Read, you'd have a Lost&Found collection with those books (because they have to be in _some_ collection, and All Collections doesn't count). Oh, and deleting the collection would not delete the books.
So - check in the Edit Collections box (from the Collections dropdown in your catalog, ditto on any main book page, or...there's another place you can access it but I don't remember where). If you've inactivated the collection, it will be at the bottom of the list with (inactive) after it.
If it's not there, it may have been deleted - I'd PM Jeremy and ask if he can help (by, possibly, recreating the collection from behind the scenes). And don't do anything in your catalog until you get an answer - because what he'd probably have to do is restore your catalog from some backup, so any work will be wiped out. I don't _know_ that he can do it, or that if he can fix the missing collection he'd have to do it by restoring a backup - but it's worth asking, anyway.
In any case, you still have the books. It might be useful to look up a book that you know would have been in that collection, and see what collection(s) it's in - see if there's any traces of Read. I see a lot of Currently Reading and Read but unowned - I don't know if you put the latter into Read as well (I do, a lot of people don't).
Thanks for the suggestions. At this point, I could just add it in again and it would be easy to add all the books back to it (I also use Goodreads so most would be listed there). Don't know if it will really matter, the only time I ever used it was to look over the books I read and see what may have been a series with new books or to see if an author has written anything else. I was just shocked that it wasn't there any longer. Of course, since nobody else seems to have had this happen, I can't help but wonder if I got rid of it at some point and just don't remember doing it. :) Unlikely, but I have to wonder.
94 > You can message one of The Powers That Be, most likely Jeremy, for help with this. It's almost unheard of for data to be lost (never say never), but there have been incidents where data has been...misplaced.
At any rate TPTB can help you find out if it's a genuine problem or something you don't remember doing.
I believe Tim removed the links because it interfered with moving the modules in the layout-editing mode.
No, it was because they weren't enough of a link. People didn't know they were links and weren't clicking on them. Most of the modules could be links, so people could just assume that the module heads were brown and blue on purpose. Also, while the link made a certain sense, it made less sense when the link was to a "more of," since the "more of" link was ABOVE the content, not after it. So I made it stone simple--links are links and go at the bottom. What space could be saved was not worth the confusion.
It would be good if Author Neverers had a tally in the "Your Helps" module.
Ah. Thanks. This is minor, so I'm not doing it right away. But I've logged it.
97> Okayyyyy...where is the More of... link on Recently Added? The one that takes us to our catalog sorted by date? Next doesn't really fulfill that need - it doesn't add details, just another set of books in the same limited module view. That's the header link I'm really missing. Well, that and the Collections page - yes, it's the same as the Tags page, but they're not next to each other the way I've got it set up. And you've got two links to All Recommendations (on Recently Recommended and Top Automatic Recommendations) - why not a link to the tags/collections page in the Collections module? But the Recently Added is the big one.
I haven't taken the time read through all of the questions and answers but the thing i am missing from the old home page was the list of recent additions made by my friends, connections and interesting libraries. I'm not all that interested in random recent additions, i am friends with and follow libraries of similar interest and used their additions as guide to finding new books or old books i didn't know about.
Is the feature there but i just can't find it? is there a way to customize the recent automatic recommendations?
From either Home or your Profile, look for "Connections" just under the chocolate bar. Click there to find what you want.
I haven't got time to read through the whole thread, so I apologize if this has already been answered.
I just want to say that I love the new home page but I have a request. Could the 'Your Library Over Time' graph be expanded to include the option of particular tags? The reason I ask is that my library includes many books that are no longer in my collection because I use it to keep track of my book crossing activities, reviews etc. I distinguish what is still on my shelf from what isn't by using the tag myshelf.
Being able to use the tag myshelf instead of the collection My Library would render the My Library Over Time graph far more accurate.
I know little about computer stuff, so I have no idea if this is even possible. It is just an idea.
I was apprehensive at first, but am coming to like the new home page better. I especially love having tag-watch back. However, has anyone else complained that books that I've tagged area showing up in my tag-watch? I don't remember that from before, and I think it is dumb. To clarify - I don't mean books that are in my catalog are showing up on my tag watch, I mean that MY books - with my user name - are showing up in my tag watch.
Mine says 2008, except that when I go into details I also get December 2007. Setting the wording aside - I can assure you that my actual library started in the 1960s ;-) - something seems to be amiss with that module.
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