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1timspalding
Edited: Jul 18, 2013, 5:54pm Top

Conceptdawg and I have introduced two features much called for since the design and home-page changes. They are put out there with the knowledge that they're going to need refinement.

1. You can dispense with the "locked" top bar, allowing the "chocolate bar" to scroll. The control is at the bottom of every page, here:



It's set per-session/device. Most users will see it persist across uses, but it will be reset if you have your browser set to delete all cookies every time you close. It's not set at the user-preferences level because you may want it fixed on some systems and scrolling on others (e.g., your iPad).

2. The home page can now be set to "two-column" mode.

It looks like this:



The control is at the bottom of the home page.



Two columns presents some problems for sorting. Basically, you sort in one-column mode and then it splits them across columns by number. We are thinking out a solution.

Setting it to two-column mode kills your news section. (We'll be working to give it back to you another way.) It does not currently change the size of the text on the home page, which probably goes well with the change from one to two columns on most machines. We are playing with that at present, but wanted to get some reactions before we made any text-size changes.

2conceptDawg
Jul 18, 2013, 5:55pm Top

Note: The top chocolate bar still defaults to scrolling on mobile devices but can be changed to fixed if you want.

3saltmanz
Jul 18, 2013, 6:09pm Top

I don't particularly need either of these features, but it's awesome that you're doing them.

4Collectorator
Jul 18, 2013, 6:10pm Top

Yall are really working hard to please everyone. Super job!!

5brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:19pm Top

Great work, guys.

6PhaedraB
Jul 18, 2013, 6:21pm Top

Love the two columns!

7timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 6:22pm Top

Anyone have a solution for news?

We cut it off before for people with screens smaller than 950 wide. That was a percent or two. Cutting it off now is more of a problem, I think.

8brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:22pm Top

I never liked the old Talk's multiple columns, but I think I might actually want to turn on two columns with this one. Somehow it manages to be extremely usable in two columns.

9timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 6:23pm Top

It's because you hate news, I know.

10brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:24pm Top

#7 by timspalding> Just brainstorming - what about news on the left below the sidebar? Or how about allowing News as a module? For those who like two columns, you could just always hide the right-side News and they could use the News module.

11qebo
Jul 18, 2013, 6:26pm Top

"two-column" mode
Nice! (Though I'd still prefer smaller text.)

12timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 6:27pm Top

>11 qebo:

I'm working on it. Should they be tied or not?

13timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 6:28pm Top

Should we default to two-column mode if the user has a big screen?

14rebeccanyc
Jul 18, 2013, 6:31pm Top

Could we have a way to assign specific modules to a specific column, i.e., have separate ordering for each column? I had to play around with it to get the modules I wanted at the top of each column, and was successful, but it would be easier if we could order them separately.

15timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 6:33pm Top

>14 rebeccanyc:

Yeah, I can't see a good user interface for that, though--one that works as you switch back and forth between the modes.

16brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:33pm Top

#13 by timspalding> Hmm, hard to say. Maybe only if you add... ANOTHER FEATURE. :D This would replace the toggle of one/two column with a choice:

* Always one column
* Always two column
* Fit columns to screen size.

17brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:34pm Top

#15 by timspalding> One of the ideas I floated before was having a "column break" that you could add/reorder. That would force a break to the next column. Might be harder now that you have this nice automatic code, though.

18qebo
Jul 18, 2013, 6:38pm Top

12: Sure seems that text size is too personal for LT to decide for everyone. There are perfectly valid reasons for larger or smaller.
13: I’d actually think not. Because of the sorting issue. It’s a bit too confusing all at once.
14: Me too, the tinkering. I like the result, though, and don’t expect to be changing it often.

19Beorn_se_Bacaire
Jul 18, 2013, 6:43pm Top

I like having the option of two column now. Thank you.
However--the "dashboard" box takes up a full third of the screen width. Could we get that shrunk down to the appropriate size?

20jules_l
Jul 18, 2013, 6:44pm Top

2> Note: The top chocolate bar still defaults to scrolling on mobile devices but can be changed to fixed if you want.

Thank you. That means I can fix it on my iPad, and let it scroll on my phone.

A note about the starting state: the chocolate bar scrolled initially on the iPad, even though the text at the bottom said "Top Scrolling: OFF". I had to switch to on and then off again before it stuck. Don't think it was my imagination, but I obviously can't reproduce it now the cookie is in place.

21Collectorator
Jul 18, 2013, 6:45pm Top

I love the two-column, and I'm not budging that fixed chocolate bar no way no how. I love it like that.

Anyway, I think we should have news in a module, but what we really need is more news. We need news every day. Even if it's just "LT got a new coffeemaker this week."

22brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:46pm Top

#20 by jules_l> I found that the chocolate bar didn't work particularly well on my iPad (v1, though some also reported problems on v2) when it was set to fixed. There were problems with zooming and scrolling, particularly. And sometimes it'd wind up positioning itself in the vertical center of the screen.

23rsterling
Jul 18, 2013, 6:50pm Top

I like having the 2 column option.

The "search your books" button is overlapping a little into the white space between columns, though: it should probably be flush with the heading above.

What's the status on the extraneous white space above smaller-than-medium cover images? (Sorry, I haven't been able to follow all the bug and discussion threads carefully.)

24Morphidae
Jul 18, 2013, 6:52pm Top

THANK YOU!

25omargosh
Jul 18, 2013, 6:55pm Top

I'm digging the 2-column layout. Thanks. Feels like a definite improvement, even if that's just my brain tricking me. :-) I don't think I would mind at all if the "News" section forced its way to where the upper-most module in the right column currently sits (pushing that one down). You could have offered it as a compromise for the two-column layout — "You want two-columns? Fine, but we reserve the space at upper right" — but trouble is, you've already let us seen the no-News version, which some might prefer. :-p But naw, I feel like I'd be missing out on things if it's not somewhere. Perhaps News-as-module is the right approach.

26brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 6:55pm Top

#23 by rsterling> Yep, just posted about the overlapping search buton in the Home bugs thread. It happens in either one or two column mode.

27ryvre
Jul 18, 2013, 6:58pm Top

The two column layout is awesome!

28VivienneR
Jul 18, 2013, 7:01pm Top

Ack! Now I can't make up my mind.

29rsterling
Jul 18, 2013, 7:01pm Top

26 - brightcopy: "Yep, just posted about the overlapping search buton in the Home bugs thread. It happens in either one or two column mode."
But not for everyone; see Tim's screenshot here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/156792#4202497

30jules_l
Jul 18, 2013, 7:03pm Top

22> Yeah, I remember. The chocolate bar worked okay on my iPad (2nd gen), other than a couple of hours one day when I think the code was being worked on. I generally found that if I zoomed I could scroll it out of the way, but it stayed where I wanted it if I was viewing at 100%. And I find I need to zoom a lot less with the Home page in single column mode than I did before.

There's a bit of flickering when zooming which I hadn't seen before, but as I said, mostly I don't plan to zoom. And I do like the chocolate bar fixed for navigating Talk and Your Books.

31avatiakh
Jul 18, 2013, 7:07pm Top

I have to say I'm still a fan of the 1-column look on my laptop, I like the open space and the news section on the right, so please don't change how that looks while tinkering with solutions for the 2 column option.

I appreciate that you have given us a 2-column option - wow, you guys are awesome.

32tottman
Jul 18, 2013, 7:17pm Top

I love the 2 column option. I'm having the same overlap problem with the search button because I enlarge my text size and don't like having my browser full screen.

>29 rsterling: I think it does happen for everyone. You can just get around it at smaller text sizes or wider browser sizes. If you keep enlarging the screen size, more and more of the first column bleeds into the second, not just the search button.

Still I'd rather have 2 columns and work around this problem than not have the 2 columns.

33StephenBarkley
Jul 18, 2013, 7:19pm Top

I really like the two-columns. The way the module header details collapse to icons only is a great touch, too.

34hailelib
Jul 18, 2013, 8:14pm Top

I haven't tried the two column option on my large screen but I love it on my iPad.

35AnnieMod
Jul 18, 2013, 8:17pm Top

Posted somewhere else but will ask here as well - any chance to add the ability for the user to determine where the columns break instead of always being in the middle of the list?

36timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 8:20pm Top

>35 AnnieMod:

I'm looking into ways. If you have a user-interface suggestion, let me know.

37AnnieMod
Jul 18, 2013, 8:21pm Top

>36 timspalding:

Add it as one more moving rectangle on the modules reordering page? So one can drag and drop it as any of the other modules.

38timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 8:22pm Top

That would be the barrier, right?

39timspalding
Jul 18, 2013, 8:24pm Top

I think the best UI would be to have two areas--left and right. But I'm not sure that's going to be easy.

Worse, the mode can go off and on. What happens when you sort them into columns, then turn to one-column mode and sort? Does it preserve them in columns? If not, what happens when you save and THEN change to two columns?

40brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 8:31pm Top

#29 by rsterling> I think the reason for it being fine in Tim's screenshot is there's a max width for that search text box. I know if I maximize and reload, it doesn't take up the whole width anymore.

41AnnieMod
Jul 18, 2013, 8:32pm Top

>38 timspalding:
Yeah - and if you move to one column, leave it where it is on the reorder list, just do not split the list on the showing side...

42elenchus
Jul 18, 2013, 8:37pm Top

>39 timspalding:

I'm guessing you're seeing potential problems with the "break line" method (as in >35 AnnieMod: and elsewhere) that I'm not seeing. If the "break line" was just another icon (rectangle) in the reordering page, and this icon didn't do anything when the user selected one-column mode, what's the issue?

I see the elegance of a two-column UI -- the user sees immediately what's in each column. But keeping the reordering page a single column, with the "break line" as one element, just means you save and look at the results, then go back in and re-order if you don't like what you see.

Now if you're thinking a user might want different sort orders for each mode (one-column vs two-column), sure: but you'll have that issue regardless of the interface, unless you allow users to save a preference for each mode. If you do that, I'd suggest a single reordrering UI, column on left for single-column, column on right for two column, each working identically with the "break line" as a sortable element.

43Petroglyph
Jul 18, 2013, 8:38pm Top

>1 timspalding:
The home page can now be set to "two-column" mode.

Shiny!

44brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 8:39pm Top

#39 by timspalding> Well, as you said, it might be best but it's a lot more work to code. I'd go with the "column break" pseudo-module. When two column mode goes off, it could just do it in one column without the break. But I see how that might be an issue if people have the things they want to see the most often at the top of the left and right, and now they wind up with half of it much further down. Blech.

I wonder if you could make it so it always alternates left/right as it goes down the module list. So:

Module 1
Module 2
Module 3
Module 4
Module 5
Module 6
Module 7

When switched to two column mode would be:

Module 1 | Module 2
Module 3 | Module 4
Module 5 | Module 6
Module 7

Yes, it could get unbalanced as all git-out, but the user could fix that by rearranging the modules. and it would work reasonably well when switched to single column.

45keristars
Edited: Jul 18, 2013, 9:05pm Top

OMG. I was taking a nap this evening and this was one of the first things I saw when I woke up and I honestly had a moment of "am I dreaming?" because it's so wonderful. I feel like I could kiss you guys, Tim and Chris and whoever else was involved in this decision process.

Thank you so much for the scroll-turning-off(on) and the multi-column homepage!

For the problem of how to split the columns, I think either alternating left-right as bc suggests in #44 or a moving "column break" module that's hidden in single-column mode would be idea. I don't know how hard either would be to code, but they seem like more or less intuitive options to me - not a lot of learning to them, and it would switch nicely back and forth from one to two columns.

46brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 9:25pm Top

I suppose another option is that the reorder you do while in 1 column mode is simply saved separately from the reorder you do in 2 column mode. Just as if you were on two different devices. Add that in with the column break (or the two column drag UI) and I think you'd probably have the setup that would avoid people being boxed in.

47Crypto-Willobie
Jul 18, 2013, 9:44pm Top

The two column option is great. I can see all or part of my five 'key' modules at the same time, and it reduces the white-space effect. Thanks!

48bookel
Edited: Jul 18, 2013, 10:10pm Top

Very nice to have a scrolling header thanks. Plus giving the option to turn both on/off. Turned the two columns for the home page on via computer, it looks okay initially (Your collections looks good with two columns of words/numbers), except - Tags columns overlap (see below), and with Talk on the Home page, I need to scroll to the right (it's showing on the right hand column) in order to see all the Talk columns.

Checked on phone view and it was already two columns (since I'd done it on the computer), and it does not work well on that. Your collections is still overlapping columns, and when displaying All Tags it looks worse with multiple column overlaps within the tags.

The same happens with the computer view in two column display for the Home page, when showing All Tags. Both columns of tags overlap, with no choice to show only one column. Same with the Your Collections section.

That's all I really wanted though: To have the option to choose a display of one column only within the Your Collections and Tags section on the Home page, selected in the Settings, with the entire page still in single column view.

Two columns for the entire page does not work well with text zoomed in, especially for the Your Tags and Talk sections.

I thought I turned the top bar scrolling on, but on the home page I can't find that option ...?

For now, sticking to a single column Home page.

49bookel
Edited: Jul 18, 2013, 10:27pm Top

Ah, can turn on the top bar scrolling on a talk page, and then it works on the Home page, but there's no link at the bottom on the Home page to turn it on/off??? Or am I missing something? Thanks. :)

PS. Please, do not use two column home pages as default!

50keristars
Jul 18, 2013, 10:23pm Top

49> The chocolate bar's setting is set across the entire site, so if you change it on the homepage, it's going to change for everywhere else, too.

The link is in the same place on the homepage, though, as elsewhere, in amongst the footer links.

51bookel
Jul 18, 2013, 10:29pm Top

Oh, I see ... I was expecting to find it near 'show two columns'.

52reconditereader
Jul 18, 2013, 10:37pm Top

Thank you SOOOOO much for letting me turn off the fixed top bar! Yayyyy it's great.

53sjmccreary
Edited: Jul 18, 2013, 10:46pm Top

I LOVE the 2-column layout! Thank you!

ETA - I'll miss news, though. I hope you'll figure out a way to include it in the 2-column format. Reserving the top right hand corner for LT news works for me, or offer it as a module and let me put it there myself.

54sjmccreary
Jul 18, 2013, 10:56pm Top

Problem: The 2-column election isn't sticking when I move away from the home page and then click HOME to come back.

55brightcopy
Jul 18, 2013, 11:16pm Top

#54 by sjmccreary> What browser (and version) and OS are you on?

56the_red_shoes
Jul 18, 2013, 11:26pm Top

'It's set per-session/device. Most users will see it persist across uses, but it will be reset if you have your browser set to delete all cookies every time you close. It's not set at the user-preferences level because you may want it fixed on some systems and scrolling on others (e.g., your iPad).'

Well, better than nothing I guess, because that kills the site usability for me. But I don't have an iPad and it's really annoying to see web designers let that drive everything.

57bookel
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 12:11am Top

Bug? In Mozilla Firefox 22.0.
Looked on a series page and though I have the top bar to scrolling, this bar is annoyingly fixed:

map
clouds
Recent history for CK
5,384,125 facts and counting
with a search box.

Example page I was looking at:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Owlstone+Crown

58sjmccreary
Jul 18, 2013, 11:50pm Top

#55 I'm using Chrome (version?) and Windows 7.

59conceptDawg
Jul 19, 2013, 12:29am Top

56: it's really annoying to see web designers let that (iPad) drive everything.
It's not driven by the iPad at all. It's pretty simple. People often have more than one device and usually when they do have more than one device they tend to be different aspects/screensizes: one large one and then a smaller one such as a laptop or tablet. That means that they will have different preferences for whether the ChocoBar™ takes up too much room on their screen or not. That was the driving factor, not iPads per se.

60conceptDawg
Jul 19, 2013, 12:33am Top

57: CK subnav is always fixed
Fixed. errr...corrected.

61bookel
Jul 19, 2013, 12:36am Top

Ta. :)

62jjmcgaffey
Jul 19, 2013, 1:32am Top

Yay, I like! Two columns, that is. I'm leaving the bar fixed, at least on my computer - if I go to LT on my phone or tablet, I'll consider taking it off. Lack of screen real estate vs not having to scroll up all the time...

However, the two columns is great. I like the idea of being able to set the break - the invisible module works for me. I find that I have an entirely different sort in two columns than I did in one - if I'm looking at two things at once, I put the pictures on one side and the text on the other (more or less), while in one column I have them arranged so that the things I use most are either near the top or near the bottom. So either two different sorts (remembered) or simply ignoring the invisible column break module and putting left on top of right would work for me. I don't think I'll be going back and forth, unless two columns gets thoroughly broken somehow.

63_Zoe_
Jul 19, 2013, 1:53am Top

I'm definitely happy about the two columns.

I'm looking forward to being able to set the column break myself (the column break module that others have suggested sounds good), and being able to make the text smaller will definitely be an improvement as well.

Can News not just be a module? Or if you want to force people to have it, show it automatically at the top of the second column?

64Talvitar
Jul 19, 2013, 1:56am Top

Thanks for the two column feature - love it! The one column system was the only thing that had bothered me with the new Dashboard.
Thanks!!

65Mr.Durick
Jul 19, 2013, 2:07am Top

I can set one of the modules above the fold. So if I can get news in the two column view back above the fold one way or another I'll go to two columns and usually visit the page without scrolling.

Robert

66Louve_de_mer
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 2:53am Top

Two columns view : on the .fr site, the "Rechercher dans votre bibliothèque" ( = Search your books) button is ovelapping the second column, due to the text longer than the original. Must we try to change the translation ?

ETA : In the Thingaversaries module the users' long names are overlapping the next column of names (inside of the module)

67divinenanny
Jul 19, 2013, 2:42am Top

Thank you guys so much!

68omargosh
Jul 19, 2013, 2:56am Top

Having to reorder things back to my above-the-fold needs when switching back back and forth between one- and two-column view seems like an acceptable consequence of changing the column setting. I don't think I would expect the system to remember one sorting order for one-column view and another sorting order for two-column view (in fact I might find this more confusing). I like the column-break pseudomodule idea; not only is it probably way easier to implement, but it would also keep the reordering interface relatively consistent between one-column reordering and two-column reordering (I would expect it just to be absent if I were reordering things while in one-column view).

69omargosh
Jul 19, 2013, 3:13am Top

Though I could also see the case for remembering different sorts for different views. That way you wouldn't have to guess or reset the column-break each time. I'm not sure how modules added between view switches would affect things. Basically, though, I think I'll probably with fine whatever I can get. :-p (But I would love to get it ... my Helpers sub-page is currently very lopsided!)

70JerryMmm
Jul 19, 2013, 3:15am Top

>66 Louve_de_mer: there are more issues with translations being longer than the original causing problems with overlapping text, unfortunately.

71JerryMmm
Jul 19, 2013, 3:22am Top

Yay for the chocolate bar being switchable!
I've found it much more relaxing to my yes with it turned off, less contrast.

2 column layout, looks good. I'll have a play with it.

After some playing, I find myself acting like a 4yo that just got his candy, but whines for another candy, as well:

I'd like some pages to be 2, and others to be 1 column...

Or, some modules work good in 2 column mode, while others (particularly Talk) don't, at least on smaller screens.

re News, I'm afraid if you make it a module, users will move it down or out of the way or remove it completely.
I'd be happy with a scenario where it appears when there's news, and I can dismiss it/mark it as seen, and it disappears again.

72CDVicarage
Jul 19, 2013, 5:40am Top

Seconding #44 on arranging the modules horizontally. I like the two column layout when I'm using a big screen (though sorry to lose the News) but it means that my less important modules are above the fold on the RHS and I still have to scroll down to see the stuff I use more often.

I like the new Home Page very much (and I used the old one, too) and you are still producing improvements!

73Tid
Jul 19, 2013, 6:08am Top

Fantastic! The scrolling chocolate bar solves my biggest irritation with LT - when at the bottom of a Talk page, I had to use a combination of keyboard (to get back to the top of the page) and mouse (to navigate Talk). As a disabled person, having to move my hand around like that for every topic I was reading or posting in, was tiresome.

Now - with the chocolate bar (mmmmmm) - I can mouse everywhere!

(Hey, that bloody mouse has ate my chocolate..)

74MyriadBooks
Jul 19, 2013, 8:31am Top

Yay! I love options!

75ELiz_M
Jul 19, 2013, 8:46am Top

>1 timspalding: Ack! The lack of white space in two-column mode gives me a headache. Thank you for not forcing two-column mode on everyone! :)

>13 timspalding: Personally, I'd rather one-column to be the default on all screens, but it doesn't much matter as long as I know where the button is to switch it to the mode I prefer.

I'm very impressed that a two-column mode has been implemented.

76bookel
Jul 19, 2013, 8:51am Top

Can the headers in library catalog view be turned off too please? For me it takes up half the screen space.

77auntmarge64
Edited: Jul 19, 2013, 9:01am Top

Oh, YEAH - the two columns is GREAT! Just need that Currently Reading module and maybe some space-saving in the Recently Added and I'm all set. Some of the new modules are fun, too. Just knowing they're there, even if not on my home page, is nice.

ETA: The two columns thing does need a bit of tweaking, so that either the columns divide more-or-less equally by length or the user has the option to move modules between columns, which doesn't seem to work by just reordering them.

78keristars
Jul 19, 2013, 9:32am Top

76> That might be more difficult, since it's an iframe, and hasn't actually changed with the new layout tweaks.

79rebeccanyc
Jul 19, 2013, 12:22pm Top

I neglected to say, when I made my request in 14 how much I LOVE having two columns and how much I LOVE how responsive Tim and the LT team have been to our requests!

80brightcopy
Jul 19, 2013, 12:26pm Top

Mmmmm, this Classic Coke tastes even better than before!

:D

81jjwilson61
Jul 19, 2013, 1:08pm Top

I love the two columns, but it underscores that I'd like to be able to customize a different home page for each device I have. I may want two columns with a bunch of modules for my desktop, maybe a single column with fewer modules for my IPad and maybe only the Your Books section for my smart phone.

82lorax
Jul 19, 2013, 2:13pm Top

80>

;-)

83Keeline
Jul 19, 2013, 2:49pm Top

#81 by jjwilson61>

This seems like an important use case consideration and I hope that it is considered.

Of course, each device can have multiple browsers and any granularity of that type is likely to go down to a per-browser basis (e.g. cookies).

James

84timspalding
Jul 19, 2013, 6:17pm Top

I love the two columns, but it underscores that I'd like to be able to customize a different home page for each device I have. I may want two columns with a bunch of modules for my desktop, maybe a single column with fewer modules for my IPad and maybe only the Your Books section for my smart phone.

I don't think we'd ever make the order and composition of the pages device-dependent. But it may argue for the ability to name your own home pages.

85brightcopy
Jul 19, 2013, 6:22pm Top

Very true. And maybe for it to remember which one you were on last time (per device) whenever you click Home rather than always going to Dashboard. That way you'd wind up at the desirable page for that device.

86mckait
Jul 20, 2013, 7:31am Top

I like the two columns, I like the scrolling bar. Very nice :) thank you!

87Tid
Jul 20, 2013, 6:05pm Top

Funny how perceptions can differ wildly, like that Aubrey Beardsley drawing of the 'old crone/beautiful girl in fur'. People have called it a scrolling bar, but I think of it as something that stays put, when the rest of the page is scrolling!

88timspalding
Edited: Jul 21, 2013, 5:18pm Top

You can now decide where the home-page columns break. Just drag the "Column break" module around.



This also gives you a handy way of making some pages two-column and some one-column. To make a page one-column, just drag the break to the end of the modules.

89ryvre
Jul 21, 2013, 6:00pm Top

Awesome!

One problem. When I dragged the break to the end to make a page display with only one column, the book covers displayed end up really spaced out.

90JerryMmm
Jul 21, 2013, 6:00pm Top

Ook, of course!
Doh.
(Break at end)

91keristars
Jul 21, 2013, 6:03pm Top

88> Clever solution for the different column choice on different pages!

92timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 7:08pm Top

I've made is so that:

1. The "news" reappears if you use a really large screen (and are using ie9+ or another browser)
2. The "right" news area goes away if it's not filled.

>89 ryvre:

Tell me if this is still true.

93ryvre
Jul 21, 2013, 7:19pm Top

Still true. Looks like it works fine in Opera, but displays fewer books with a lot of white space between them in FF.

94timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 7:34pm Top

Okay, because things are so complicated, explain it a bit more to me.

What page?
How many columns?
On refresh or always?

95_Zoe_
Jul 21, 2013, 7:38pm Top

I'm not really happy with the news (we may have different ideas of a "really large screen"). It squishes other things, and the content on the whole isn't actually new enough to justify the space.

96timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 7:40pm Top

If you don't mind, refresh a few times at your normal size--not resizing the window larger or smaller. I'll go look at your numbers and then play with it.

97ryvre
Edited: Jul 21, 2013, 7:49pm Top

Here's a screenshot.

On the recommendations page. I have it set to two columns, but I dragged the break to the bottom on the recommendations page. It's always that way on FF and IE, but it displays fine on Opera.

Edit: I've refreshed, but I still see the weird spacing.

98timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 7:54pm Top

Oh, I see. I forgot to notice that you'd dragged it to the bottom. Yeah, it's dividing the size by two still in that case.

Sec.

99timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 8:09pm Top

Okay, should be fixed.

100ryvre
Jul 21, 2013, 8:32pm Top

Looks great now!

101Mr.Durick
Jul 21, 2013, 8:43pm Top

Hurray, I have everything I want to see on my first pass pretty much above the fold and no wasted space on my laptop. I'll check it on my Nook HD later, but I like it so far.

Robert

102timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 9:30pm Top

I'm not really happy with the news (we may have different ideas of a "really large screen"). It squishes other things, and the content on the whole isn't actually new enough to justify the space.

I've changed it from a break-point at 1100 pixels wide to 1300. I hope that's good enough.

103qebo
Jul 21, 2013, 9:36pm Top

102: Aaack! I'm at 1280 and I liked my few minutes of two columns + news.

104_Zoe_
Jul 21, 2013, 9:39pm Top

>102 timspalding: Thanks! I'm glad I still get two columns of lists, haikus, etc. now.

>103 qebo: Hmm, maybe we need an option?
I'd still like an optional module for those of us who won't be seeing it on the side.

105timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 9:52pm Top

I'd still like an optional module for those of us who won't be seeing it on the side.

Yeah. On the plate.

106timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 10:03pm Top

Fixed a minor, unreported bug related to the fact that the icons don't get words when you're in two-column mode. (They got them when you edited settings on a module, even if you were in two-column mode.)

107eromsted
Jul 21, 2013, 10:26pm Top

>103 qebo:
Me too. I did not find my other modules overly squished.

108Crypto-Willobie
Jul 21, 2013, 11:24pm Top

Hmmm... I saw News on the Home right a couple hours ago but now it's not there even when I downsize, refresh etc. (Though to tell the truth I zoom sizes up and back so often depending on my needs on particular screens, LT and otherwise, that I've lost track of what 'normal' size is.) I don't suppose News would fit over on the left in all that vertical white space under the dashboard?

109timspalding
Jul 21, 2013, 11:31pm Top

>108 Crypto-Willobie:

We need SOME white space.

110bookel
Jul 21, 2013, 11:44pm Top

Change the background color if you don't like all the "white space"! :)

111Crypto-Willobie
Jul 22, 2013, 12:18am Top

I deal with the white space. My point was that my News seems to have been squeezed out, and there's room for it under the dashboard. If it were to go there, there wold still be plenty of white space to ski on below it....

112auntmarge64
Jul 22, 2013, 3:55pm Top

Love the column break options.

113LShelby
Jul 22, 2013, 9:37pm Top

I just want to say: Very nice job. Thanks!

114gennyt
Jul 23, 2013, 8:11am Top

A BIG thank you to Tim and the rest of you for listening to pleas for the two-column layout - and especially with the option now to break the column where we want.

I already liked the old home page. But now the home page is even better because we have all the sub pages with additional features, while on the Dashboard I can now see everything I want to see at a glance, most of it above the fold with minimal scrolling. And my desktop is wide enough to get the news on the side too, which I also like.

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