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1Collectorator
Edited: Nov 2, 2013, 2:20am Top

I want to know what's coming next. Will there be a December book? Is there any one book you can say definitely we are going to OneBook this one someday? I just want to participate and I always like a head start.

Thanks.

2lorax
Nov 4, 2013, 4:52pm Top

1. When will the next read begin?
2. How far in advance of the next read will the title be selected?
3. What will the process for selecting titles be in the future?

3Collectorator
Nov 6, 2013, 5:25pm Top

Well?

How is this community supposed to get fired up over these innovations if no one on the staff answers basic questions?

*annoyed*

4_Zoe_
Nov 6, 2013, 5:32pm Top

They have the whole force of the site behind them, so they don't have to worry about things like being responsive and building excitement. Participants will come no matter what.

5emmaliminal
Nov 6, 2013, 6:03pm Top

Oh please, they're just human beans and probably don't have answers yet.

(tap tap tap) Hellooooo? lorannen, timspaulding, et al., can you reassure us cantankerous folks you'll have more decisions about future OneBooks soon?

6krogub
Nov 6, 2013, 6:06pm Top

Plz read my post... Book talk : Please Help Me Name a Book If you Know it THANKS!

7Collectorator
Nov 6, 2013, 6:08pm Top

If they don't have answers, the polite thing to do is say, "We do not know."

Of course then I would channel my ex and say, "Well then, who would I ask?"

8_Zoe_
Nov 6, 2013, 6:10pm Top

>5 emmaliminal: Well, yeah. But I'm pretty sure the 2014 Category Challenge is run by human beings too, and they seem to have plenty of organization. Even organization that takes into account feedback from group members!

9.Monkey.
Edited: Nov 6, 2013, 6:14pm Top

There are tons of members in the group (the 2014 Categories, that is), chiming in when they have time. There are very few LT staff and likely even fewer who could possibly provide these answers. And while I agree that it would be nice if someone chimed in, even just to say "we're still figuring it out, let you know soon," I don't really think derision is the way to go about changing that. If I were met with that sort of attitude, I'd not soon be jumping in.

10krogub
Nov 6, 2013, 6:17pm Top

Book talk : Please Help Me Name a Book If you Know it

11_Zoe_
Nov 6, 2013, 6:20pm Top

>9 .Monkey.: There are still individuals in the Category Challenge group taking on major personal responsibility for things like themed group reads.

And it's not like this discussion is academic. People provided polite, positive feedback last time. And it was pretty thoroughly ignored. It would be nice to have enough advance notice next time that I can actually get the book in time for the discussion.

12.Monkey.
Nov 6, 2013, 6:25pm Top

I'm not denying any of those things (and I happen to be in that group along with being in it this year), like I said, I think someone should say something even if that something is that they don't have something to say right now. But I do not think that talking crap about them is going to make anything better.

13ablachly
Nov 7, 2013, 8:44am Top

I agree that we should plan the next book farther in advance--but we haven't yet had a chance to talk through what the cycle will be. Loranne, Tim, Matt (and the rest of us!) need to get together and figure it all out still. And we will.

14emmaliminal
Nov 7, 2013, 8:52am Top

>13 ablachly: Thank you!

15_Zoe_
Nov 7, 2013, 9:00am Top

16timspalding
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 9:24am Top

Sorry guys. This one slipped past our radar. We shall get larger dishes.

So, as discussed, we're not sure. My preference is for doing it once every other month.

My argument is that, with such a schedule, it shouldn't be necessary to "overlap" months--to plan for the next book while the first one is going on. While there are surely some people who want more than 2 months to read a book, I think it's enough time. Having one book going at a time is less complicated--easier to communicate through the various channels, easier for people to remember, etc. And it allows us to build upon what we learn about the process more easily. (For example, I think we've learned that new books will produce push-back.) Also, I think every-other month is sufficient to try this out, and not to diminish interest in other group reads going on.

If we go that way, we'd open up the group read together with voting for the next group read. The voting would close in a week, and then you'd have seven weeks to read the book.

That said, Loranne needs to look the whole thing over and figure out how it can be synched to State of the Thing and so forth. (She's sick today, btw, so you won't see her today.)

For the process of picking, I think the final step needs to be a vote between titles. I think Loranne, Matt and I pick some category of books, and the books that fit it, and then people vote between those. But we should also have a thread where we discuss the categories. I think this process gets over some of the problems of a completely unrestricted vote between books.

What do you think?

17ablachly
Nov 7, 2013, 9:31am Top

I worry that with people needing to get a library copy, 7 weeks might not be enough time. It might make sense to pick the next book now/soon - what's the harm in a little overlap?

18timspalding
Nov 7, 2013, 9:42am Top

I feel that's mostly an issue for new books, which we're clearly going to step back from after all the angst over the Circle being new.

19hailelib
Nov 7, 2013, 9:45am Top

Even older books sometimes have more than one person wanting them at the same time at my public library.

20.Monkey.
Nov 7, 2013, 9:50am Top

Even still, if someone has a book out already it can be a few weeks before you get it, and if even one person has a hold on it, which can happen with any book, then it can be a few more weeks. Why the reluctance to pick sooner? It's not like the real discussions will overlapping.

21matthewmason
Nov 7, 2013, 9:52am Top

We could choose a classic, or title of equal renown, with many mass market paperbacks in circulation (even if its library holdings are relatively scanty).

22_Zoe_
Nov 7, 2013, 9:53am Top

Thanks, this is the sort of discussion I was hoping to see.

Every other month seems reasonable. I know I personally wouldn't end up participating in all of them when they're that frequent, but I don't think that's the intention anyway.

For newness, I hope you aren't going to swing too far to the other extreme and choose only classics. Books that are a year old should be pretty readily available at the library, and are new enough that people would still be interested.

I also wouldn't be opposed to varying the schedule occasionally if you want to choose one or two brand-new books per year. Maybe it will generally be 7 weeks' notice, but if a brand-new book gets chosen, you could wait an extra period before starting the discussion (i.e., 2 months + 7 weeks notice), and do another very readily-available one in the meantime. There are various ways to get around the issue, anyway.

23Collectorator
Nov 7, 2013, 10:08am Top

I don't have any input on what to read because I rarely read. I spend all my time cleaning LT. Also, I am very picky. I'm only going to read what I want to read, of course. I won't complain about what is chosen, I will just wait until the next one. If you gave me six titles right now, I'd probably find one and have it read by next July or whenever.

The more I think about this, I am just a hanger-on. I will leave this whole production to the big reader peeps.

24lorax
Nov 7, 2013, 10:08am Top

Why is overlapping - not for the actual reading, but for planning one read while another is ongoing - an issue? Is it because of time constraints on your end, or imagined problems on our end? If it's the latter, I think you're worrying about nothing - I think that there aren't a tremendous number of people who will be participating in every round, so mostly it will be a different bunch of people, and we're all reasonably intelligent, we're not going to think "Wait, is that the book I'm reading now, or the one I'm voting on? I'm so confused!"

25Morphidae
Nov 7, 2013, 11:00am Top

I don't understand the reluctance in overlapping the PLANNING for reading either. We can do newer books with more advanced planning. It was the combination of newness and the lack of time to order the book that was a killer for the first group reading. I probably could have gotten the book if it had been for a January or February read.

26labwriter
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 11:33am Top

I agree with #22 that I'd hate to see only the classics offered as choices for the group. My strategy for new-ish fiction is to buy the book online, used (there are several places where books are one click away). If the book was at all popular, chances are that it can be obtained for a nominal price (say, less than $5, which includes the cost of shipping). For some people, even that low a price isn't going to work, and I understand that. But for those who don't mind springing for the price of a used book, this strategy works pretty well. I have a box where I put these kinds of books that I don't care to keep for my library. Then once a year I donate them to my city-wide YMCA book drive (the donation a tax deduction, so I probably end up paying next to nothing for these books).

And please don't grouse at me about not supporting the brick-and-mortar book stores. Many, many of the books sold used where I buy them online are sold by these stores, and it's these online sales that keep their doors open.

I'd also be interested in choosing a book sooner rather than later.

27timspalding
Nov 7, 2013, 11:30am Top

Hmmm. I'd waver if more people think I'm wrong. Anyone think I'm right?

28ablachly
Nov 7, 2013, 11:38am Top

I'm a planner. I'd much rather do the planning earlier rather than last minute.

29Britt84
Nov 7, 2013, 12:43pm Top

I think it might be a good idea to do the planning slightly further in advance. Though I personally don't mind a shorter period, I think for many people it will be easier to participate if they have more time to get their hands on a copy, and apart from this it'll be nice for slower readers to have more time so they can also participate.
Though Labwriter has a point about buying cheap second hand copies, I can add that I also buy many books second hand, but since I don't live in the US/UK, delivery times for books from, for instance, amazon are longer for me. So, I guess for many people it'll also be convenient to have more advanced planning to allow for longer delivery times.

30aulsmith
Nov 7, 2013, 12:48pm Top

I'm for overlapping in planning. My RL reading group announces the books 6 months out, giving people plenty of time to obtain them.

31Morphidae
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 1:27pm Top

Yeah, my book club plans 6 to 9 months out. That's not needed here. But knowing what the next one will be would be extremely helpful.

32timspalding
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 1:31pm Top

Wow. That's so much time.

I think, perhaps, we see here the difference between me and Abby, and why Abby handles the money.

33suniru
Nov 7, 2013, 1:46pm Top

I like the 8 week plan proposed in post 16. Too much advance notice might make the current book discussion difficult to manage/focus.
I think it would be helpful to put forth the category of the books beforehand.. as in
Jan.-Feb "19th century classic"
Mar.-Apr. "Booker short-list"
May-June "memoir"
Etc.
A plan for the year. Maybe each of the potential 6 reads could have their own threads for discussion and book ideas?

34ablachly
Nov 7, 2013, 2:06pm Top

I think Tim and I might actually agree.

>16 timspalding:

If we go that way, we'd open up the group read together with voting for the next group read. The voting would close in a week, and then you'd have seven weeks to read the book.


That is overlapping a bit, isn't it?

Planning the next one while starting discussion of this one? And giving much more time to obtain and read the book than this round (we announce The Circle on Oct 17th, with discussion to start on Nov 19th, which is basically a month).

So Tim's proposal means that in 2 weeks, we'd be picking the book that we would then start discussing in late-January. Right?

35matthewmason
Nov 7, 2013, 2:10pm Top

>33 suniru:

A general, flexible, road map like this seems like a good idea. Not sure about putting titles up for a vote; ideas/speculations, however, by all means.

36timspalding
Nov 7, 2013, 2:11pm Top

The other reason I don't want to plan too far ahead is that it doesn't allow us to "turn the ship." If we'd planned to far ahead at first, we'd have picked too many new books and we'd be catching holy Hell about not being able to afford the books.

37Collectorator
Nov 7, 2013, 2:17pm Top

34, you don't really mean "two weeks" do you?

38mamzel
Nov 7, 2013, 2:21pm Top

I am definitely not a planner. I choose books that appeal to me totally dependant on my mood. However, if I see a book on the horizon that I am planning on reading, I may hold off to join the Group Read. That being said, I'm in total awe of people who have their books lined up in order ready to go sometimes a year in advance and I think it would be in their interest to have the titles published in advance.

39Morphidae
Nov 7, 2013, 2:30pm Top

>34 ablachly: Again, it will be only 7 - 8 weeks to get and read the book, just like the first one. I think we should already have been discussing the next selection. I *want* to be able to read newer books. I just need more lead time.

40eclecticdodo
Nov 7, 2013, 2:57pm Top

The 8 week plan should be enough time for older books, but it wouldn't be enough for a new one. Now, I know you're put off new books by the outcry this time, but I wouldn't want to create a system that completely rules them out, which is what 8 weeks would do.

OTOH I can totally see your point about not overlapping them too much. I don't think it would work voting more than one read ahead. What about making it quarterly with voting starting the same time as the previous discussion (i.e. 12 weeks)?

41ablachly
Nov 7, 2013, 3:13pm Top

> 39

Well, this would be adding a month. The first selection, The Circle, gave 4 weeks between announcement of the selection and the start of discussion. But still, 7 weeks isn't that much time to get at a newer book. And I think we can't have ALL newer books but we shouldn't rule them out completely.

42JerryMmm
Nov 7, 2013, 4:05pm Top

Something to consider is not doing any first impressions posts while the other book is still being discussed, at least not in the first few weeks. I feel that 2 weeks before the proper discussions begin is plenty of time to start a first impressions no spoiler thread.
I know from this time round I wouldn't read it if I was planning on reading the book, as the no spoilers are still too spoilery for me.

43Morphidae
Nov 7, 2013, 4:11pm Top

>42 JerryMmm: I agree. No posts at all about the upcoming book while the previous book is still in discussion.

44lorax
Nov 7, 2013, 4:12pm Top

42,43>

Right, I wouldn't want to have overlapping discussion - but planning? No problem.

45timspalding
Edited: Nov 7, 2013, 9:11pm Top

Okay, when Loranne returns we'll see how to synch this all with SOTT. I think the nature of SOTT means that major announcements should be on its schedule--a monthly periodicity.

46LucindaLibri
Nov 8, 2013, 2:39pm Top

I am one of those who liked the idea of a OneRead (our city does them once a year and I've read most of what they've chosen), but who did not want to buy a new hardcover book.
I would suggest alternating "New" and "Old" selections AND giving at least 6 weeks to get the book and read it before the discussion starts. I know some folks who did our city OneReads by reading the whole book the night before the discussion started, but I don't tend to read that way :) (And online discussions make it difficult to avoid spoilers . . . )

One other thing (that might belong in a different discussion) is to have some parameters for what the type of books in the OneRead. Our city OneReads all focus on the issue of race (and so far have all been memoirs, though I've pointed out that fiction can also deal effectively with race). What might a good focus be for the LibraryThingOneReads? (I think having them all involve books/libraries/information in some way would be fun, but that might seem too narrow for others.)

47Booktrovert
Nov 9, 2013, 9:33am Top

i have run or moderated book groups for years now, and while you might work hard to please as many people as possible, it turns out many are always left displeased with some aspect or another. it's just the nature of the beast i am afraid. having said that, though, one thing people do consistently appreciate is advanced notice, to allow for acquisition of reads -whether buying or borrowing. and more time is better than less. there's two parts to this:

* timeline for scheduled reads;
* actual book selections.

the timeline can be set a year in advance. for example, in another group, we run quarterly 'big reads' (chunky books that are well-served by reading as a group). so everyone in the group knows that the first of january, april, july and october are the starting dates for the big reads. the polls to select the read are done the quarter before the actual read. so, for example: the poll for january's read is set-up, run and revealed in early october and people have lots of time to make their plans and get their copies of the book. (we have international members and access is not always a simple thing for everyone - something a lot of urban north americans take for granted.)

i think because the 'one book' is a new feature for you here at librarything, it may be a good idea to keep it to a quarterly feature for the first full year - to see what participation will be like and allow breathing room for adjustments and planning.

i hope it will evolve into a popular feature for you at LT.

48leahbird
Nov 13, 2013, 6:53pm Top

Here's how I saw it working in my head.

- We're doing a read every 2 months, so January, March, May, July, September, November.

- Ideally, books for each month would be announced FOUR months ahead, giving plenty of time for people to acquire their books and for slow readers to take all the time they need. This also helps in the case of people who aim to read a book twice before discussion. SO, technically we should have announced the pick for Jan back in Sept. Baby steps, I know.

Example:

It's November. We are about to have our discussion of Book A. Around that same time, we should have the vote and announcement for the book we will be reading in March, Book C, Book B to be read in January having been announced in September.

Then, when January rolls around, we have our discussion of Book B and then announce the selection for May, Book D.

This way we are still having a discussion every other month but people have a very generous lead time to plan and acquire and get their reading in. As others have said, I would suggest holding off on ANY threads for the upcoming read until about 2 weeks before the actual discussion. We don't want to waste lots of good discussion before the big event!

49JerryMmm
Nov 14, 2013, 2:36am Top

The disadvantage of planning so far ahead is when you read Book C even just a month after it is announced, you still have to wait 3 months before being able to discuss it.

I can hardly remember most of what I did last week..

50.Monkey.
Nov 14, 2013, 5:01am Top

Well you could simply wait until it's soon to be discussed before reading it. Nothing says you have to hurry!

51Morphidae
Nov 14, 2013, 8:21am Top

>48 leahbird: I really like this.

>50 .Monkey.: Exactly. You don't read ahead!

52lorax
Nov 14, 2013, 8:25am Top

Will participation in the "introduction" thread be expected for future reads in order to follow the discussion? (That is, will this be one of those groups where people don't actually call each other by their user names, but by secret codenames revealed in that thread?) I hate intro threads and would personally just ignore them, but if it's going to be a quasi-required crib sheet for following the discussion I'll probably have to grin and bear it in future.

53leahbird
Nov 14, 2013, 1:11pm Top

Personally, I don't like the early threads either because I feel like the point of the scheduled discussion is to encourage really good discussions. I think the early threads dilute some of those good discussions, like the talk about what makes a dystopian novel that's been going on in the current thread. I stopped reading them for now so I can wait until closer to discussion time.

54leahbird
Nov 14, 2013, 1:23pm Top

>49 JerryMmm: I know in most cases I wouldn't start a book until 2 weeks before the discussion but others could use time to acquire books. It would also be helpful to those who schedule their reading or to know to out a certain book off for a bit because it's an upcoming discussion.

55_Zoe_
Nov 14, 2013, 1:24pm Top

On the other hand, I find that the early threads are helpful for drawing in people who may not have been decided about whether to read the book at all.

56lorax
Nov 14, 2013, 1:36pm Top

To be clear, I'm not talking about the "first impression" or "non-spoiler" threads - I'm talking about the threads whose only purpose is to say "My name is Tim, and I live in Portland with my wife and kid, and I hate cats", after which everyone starts referring to the poster as Tim even if his username doesn't have anything to do with that name.

57lorannen
Edited: Nov 14, 2013, 1:47pm Top

> 52, 56 I can't imagine participation in these threads being practically required, but I do think we'll continue to have them. Which is to say, if you don't like them, don't worry about it/don't feel like you have to read those threads to be part of the group.

58JerryMmm
Nov 14, 2013, 1:49pm Top

I don't like those threads either, that is, the ones where people call eachother by something, anything, else than their forum nick.

59Morphidae
Edited: Nov 14, 2013, 2:56pm Top

I hate that no matter the thread. One group, that I otherwise love, is notorious for that. "Here's a picture of Tom, Dick, Harry and me at a meetup." Great, now who the heck are those people?

ETA: It's why I won't give my real name on this site. And even with the nickname I've been given, Morphy, it's easy to figure out.

60.Monkey.
Edited: Nov 14, 2013, 3:05pm Top

I actually am always a bit surprised when anyone uses my real [nick]name, since it's just on my profile, I don't go around telling people to call me by it or anything. Actually I hadn't even realized initially that it was visible anywhere and was really shocked the first time someone used it! haha.

61hailelib
Edited: Nov 14, 2013, 4:19pm Top

I put my name on my challenge thread since my husband and I share a profile and catalog our books together. But since he doesn't use talk I'm more than fine with people calling me hailelib and I usually use other people's user name rather than their "real" name.

62Morphidae
Nov 14, 2013, 10:03pm Top

I submit to the culture of the group and use people's real names when responding to them but I make sure to also reference the post number so other people like me don't get too confused.

63labwriter
Nov 15, 2013, 9:03am Top

>61 hailelib: I had no idea that anyone would be shocked or otherwise distressed by having their real name used. I often go to someone's profile to find their name rather than refer to them as "jumpingnutball" or whatever. It makes me laugh when someone refers to me as "lab." I don't mind it, but for me it's sort of a "huh?" moment. Maybe it's a generational thing, I have no idea.

However, more important than the name, and I agree with >62 Morphidae:, is to reference the post number. One of the bad habits of people in another group I belong to is to refer to a post 17 comments up-thread without adding the post number, as if I'm hanging on every word of everyone's post and will remember their reference.

64Morphidae
Nov 15, 2013, 10:01am Top

#63 So why not use your real name for a username if you prefer to be called that?

People were going to my profile and getting my real name so I removed it. I'm known as Morphy not Nora. If I wanted to be known as Nora, I would have made it my username.

Besides, this way my name is unique. There is at least one other well known Nora at LT.

65.Monkey.
Nov 15, 2013, 10:39am Top

I'm definitely not "distressed" (well except maybe that first time when I didn't realize, and was a bit wth?! lol) but since it's not a name that's visible in threads, yes, it's surprising when used. If someone comes to my profile to leave me a comment there and sees it, that makes sense. But going to check up before replying in a thread just seems odd. A username is what someone has chosen to be represented as, so it makes sense to call them that.

But yes, if it's not a post right above, then numbers are very important.

66Morphidae
Nov 15, 2013, 10:45am Top

Yeah, I'm not "distressed" either.

67CarolO
Nov 15, 2013, 6:01pm Top

>42 JerryMmm: and others I agree with 'no overlapping posting' but you know it will happen...everyone is chomping at the bit in the First Impressions thread...we have no control when it comes to books!

>46 LucindaLibri: Interesting idea for an on-going theme but I would think that would be more likely to attract the same set of readers and therefore generate the same types of conversations, what does your city do to keep it fresh? From my limited book group experience, being exposed to a variety of topics and types of books is the main attraction for me and would keep me coming back.

>47 Booktrovert: I like the idea of quarterly, it allows for more lead time without the overlap, sounds like a win-win to me.

68.Monkey.
Nov 15, 2013, 6:31pm Top

>67 CarolO: re:46, Agreed, I don't think limiting it to a strict focus would be the way to go at all, I think that would hugely limit the amount of people who'd be open to participation, and yes, keep the same small group who happens to be interested in that narrow theme. It seemed like the point of this was to try and get as many people joining in, which means the opposite: varied topics.

69lorax
Nov 18, 2013, 9:35am Top

63>

I would find that incredibly stalkerish and creepy. I have chosen my username because that's how I want to be addressed.

70qebo
Nov 18, 2013, 10:10am Top

52-69: I didn’t reveal my real name on LT for several years, and I still don’t have it on my profile. So the people who know and use it are ones I’ve either met or been in thread exchanges with for awhile. I haven’t posted an intro for The Circle. My name isn’t a secret, but it’s a matter of familiarity. Just as in RL family and friends can call me by nickname, but someone I’ve just met should have the sense not to. And in the 75ers group, I’ll call other people by real name (with LT username after / or in ()) only if I’ve had thread exchanges and it’s already in common usage, not if I merely know what it is. I would not want people using my real name in this group unless I introduce myself with it. Yes, it’s an artificial boundary, and going to meetups included a decision to allow seepage, so it’s an etiquette or personal space issue. I can completely understand someone wanting a strict separation of LT username and RL identity. The default should be LT username unless the LT user invites otherwise.

71lorax
Nov 18, 2013, 10:19am Top

Yeah, obviously it can't be required, but if it's the secret decoder ring for who's talking about what, it's de facto required. Can I suggest that, like in most groups here but unlike in a few, the culture of these discussions is "call people by their usernames", to be more welcoming and less cliquish?

72TooBusyReading
Nov 19, 2013, 8:31pm Top

I really like the way the discussions are going so far, with a specific start date. That gives us a date to begin talking, and no spoilers to accidentally encounter before the discussion starts. People who want to participate but haven't finished the book yet can just read and comment once they have.

I don't think there is a single perfect way, but this seems to be working nicely.

73Merryann
Nov 19, 2013, 8:56pm Top

Maybe my foot is about to get jammed firmly into my mouth here, but I'm wondering: Are the first posts on this thread a clever joke? Because having just finished The Circle, in which the on-line life demands instant response and precedence over everything else, it's really weird to come here and read the posts that are people upset that they didn't get an answer to their question in less than week. In my world, I wouldn't expect an answer so soon, but then I'm not a very internet savvy person to begin with.

74timspalding
Edited: Nov 19, 2013, 9:45pm Top

I asked Collectorator to adjust his rating, but she's still only giving me a 99%!

75TooBusyReading
Nov 19, 2013, 8:59pm Top

Well, just keep sending follow-ups until you get 100%.

76lorax
Nov 19, 2013, 9:42pm Top

73>

People? I only saw Collectorator getting annoyed at the non-response.

77wifilibrarian
Nov 19, 2013, 10:17pm Top

I understand #16 Tim and Lorraine having to do a post-mortem after the first read, but I'd still like to know answers to OP #1 and #2, and I agree with all the comments stating more time is better then less. #48 Leahbird 's plan sounded feasible.

Have you an idea of when you'll think about the cycle and how the books will be chosen, #13? With library waiting times, and my reading speed, I'm going to find it hard to participate in the next one if you're considering having another read in the 1st quarter of 2014, without announcing the book, like now, let alone a discussion of how the books will be chosen.

I'm okay with new books being chosen, but newish would be ideal 1-3 years old, as the library will still have plenty of copies and demand will be less.

78_Zoe_
Nov 19, 2013, 11:36pm Top

For the record, I'm now #169 on the hold list for 94 copies, and I requested the book the day the selection was announced. It'll probably take another month.

79Collectorator
Nov 19, 2013, 11:55pm Top

Yes, I was annoyed and I still am.

80Collectorator
Nov 19, 2013, 11:58pm Top

74, you said, "I asked Collectorator to adjust his rating, but she's still only giving me a 99%!"

Maybe I would adjust it if you could decide on my gender.

81CarolO
Nov 21, 2013, 6:20pm Top

>80 Collectorator: Tim gets to decide your gender?

I trust Tim with my books but I'm not ready to let him decide my gender! :)

82timspalding
Nov 22, 2013, 5:55am Top

Your gender is backed up to Australia every night.

83Collectorator
Nov 22, 2013, 6:09am Top

Now that doesn't sound very nice! :p

84TheoClarke
Edited: Nov 22, 2013, 7:30am Top

So the variation in msg 74 was simply a caching inconsistency?

85lorax
Dec 3, 2013, 1:29pm Top

It's December now; does that mean we start talking about picking the next book?

86Merryann
Dec 4, 2013, 3:12am Top

Whatever it is, I'm in again!* I would never have read this book if not for the book club, and I am very glad I did. Plus, this talking about the book part is even more enjoyable than I thought it would be.

*Well, unless the book is very violent or horribly, dreadfully sad. I know I'm a weenie.

87lorax
Dec 11, 2013, 12:19pm Top

Remind me again when we start picking the next book, and what the process is? Or did that discussion take place on the Circle-specific threads, limiting it to people who participated in the first round?

88Nicole_VanK
Dec 11, 2013, 12:51pm Top

As I recall the first one was 'democratically' chosen by a majority of Tim - no process. (I guess we do need some sort of process to proceed).

89timspalding
Dec 11, 2013, 1:20pm Top

Right. I held a referendum in the shower that morning.

90Nicole_VanK
Edited: Dec 11, 2013, 1:26pm Top

;-) No offense intended. It was a first time. You made a judgment call. I'm cool with that.

91lorax
Edited: Dec 11, 2013, 3:05pm Top

88>

Right. But I have been asking since the second post in this thread, more than a month ago, about the process for the selection of future books, and haven't had an answer. The "Remind me" was the sort of snarky self-deprecation of "Surely this has actually happened and I have forgotten" when I really know full well that unless it was on a Circle thread it hasn't happened in this group that I tend to be prone to.

92_Zoe_
Dec 11, 2013, 3:06pm Top

Are you following this thread? It sounds like the process still hasn't been finalized.

93lorax
Dec 11, 2013, 3:20pm Top

92>

No, because I haven't been following any Circle threads, since I didn't read the book. I would have hoped that they'd open up general process discussions to the group at large, rather than just those who participated in the first discussion.

94.Monkey.
Dec 11, 2013, 3:28pm Top

>93 lorax: It's not about the book, it's about how the process went which dealt with the book, hence the use of the title.

95timspalding
Dec 11, 2013, 3:40pm Top

Fair enough. To be honest, we're not thinking about it. We're thinking about SantaThing 24/7.

T

96lorax
Dec 11, 2013, 4:34pm Top

94>

I'd assumed that "how did it go" referred to the discussion of the book, rather than the process of selecting the book (which for The Circle was "Tim made a decision"). Since I didn't participate in the discussion, I didn't think I'd have anything useful to contribute to a discussion of the discussion.

Or, to be less confusing:

I had assumed that anything prefaced with "The Circle" would either be discussing the book itself or metadiscussion that would be meaningful only to those who had read the book and participated in the discussion, and that other discussions would not be so prefaced. Now that I've been told I was wrong, and that "The Circle: How did it go?" is in fact code for "How should we select the next book?", I'll go poke my head in.

97.Monkey.
Dec 11, 2013, 4:48pm Top

It's about how this round went, which leads into, so now what should we do for the future.

98Megi53
Edited: Dec 14, 2013, 1:57pm Top

> 27: I haven't read the entire thread, but I do think you're right about not overlapping.

I also don't understand the extreme reluctance to invest in newly-published books. I've been looking for opportunities to do that ever since our B. Dalton closed down.

99Morphidae
Dec 14, 2013, 3:44pm Top

>98 Megi53: It's not reluctance for many, it's inability. I simply can't afford to buy newly published books even with Amazon-sized discounts. Believe me, if I could afford to buy books, I would in a heart beat. But it's been years since I've bought more than 5 or 6 paperback books in a year much less been on a book binge and don't see any change in the foreseeable future. I miss not being able to walk into a bookstore and buy whatever I want. But you've got to take what life hands you.

100AnnaClaire
Dec 14, 2013, 11:47pm Top

>99 Morphidae:
Agreed. Some of us simply do not have the means to buy new books for a group read. (Add to this the fact that participants of our group read will not be the only people who would want to borrow a newly-released book from the library -- libraries have limited budgets with which to buy new books, just like the rest of us. The result is that many people who would otherwise want to participate simply can't if a book is too popular.)

101_Zoe_
Dec 15, 2013, 12:22am Top

Even without severe financial constraints, some people just prefer to make their money go farther by not spending it on something that they could have for free with a few months' patience. Little bits of savings add up.

And everything is a trade-off; even if I decide that I want to spend X amount of money supporting authors, I would generally choose to support authors whose work I've previously tried and enjoyed.

102.Monkey.
Edited: Dec 15, 2013, 5:36am Top

>99 Morphidae:-101 Yes, exactly. I've never understood the notion of paying more than twice as much for a newly released hardback when one can simply wait a little longer and buy the exact same book that even takes up less shelf space!, for so much less. If I were a billionaire with a huge mansion with a fullsize library, sure, I could go out buying every potentially interesting newly released hardback, and be none the worse for it. Sadly, I am not remotely a billion, or even millionaire and live in a small apartment with negative shelf space less. I do not have the funds or the room to go willynilly picking up new expensive books on a whim. If I am going to spend the money on a new book it will be one I am almost sure to enjoy, and I am going to stretch each penny as far as it will go. We don't all have the luxury of not caring about where those pennies go.

103lorax
Dec 31, 2013, 4:18pm Top

As an example of the "recent but not brand-new" availability, I just spent a few minutes looking up one of my wife's Christmas books (Swamplandia by Karen Russell) at a few public library systems (for the last three cities I've lived in). They all had numerous copies available - 10-20 copies in the system, with 2-3 checked out, and only one hold placed in total. This was published in 2011 and got a lot of buzz at the time, so at least in the systems I checked it's in the sweet spot of "recent enough that it hasn't been culled at a Friends of the Library sale, old enough that it's not backed up with holds". (It should also be readily available used.) So the 2-3 year-old age range seems a good one to investigate.

104cpg
Jan 1, 2014, 11:27am Top

>102 .Monkey.: "I've never understood the notion of paying more than twice as much for a newly released hardback when one can simply wait a little longer and buy the exact same book that even takes up less shelf space!, for so much less."

People like nice things. They like nice clothes, nice cars, nice houses, nice furniture more than their less-nice but still functional counterparts. Part may be greed, but part is aesthetics. I read The Lord of the Rings for the first time in poorly printed mass market paperbacks. I'll never do something like that again (at least not until I'm ready to give away all I have and live as a subsistence farmer in the third world).

105TooBusyReading
Jan 1, 2014, 2:27pm Top

I don't like mass markets paperbacks because the type is often too hard for me to read, but I like reading trade paperbacks more than I do hardbacks. To me, nice does not equate to newer, and I love some of my old, cherished but non-valuable possessions (especially books) more than their newer and possibly better counterparts.

106.Monkey.
Jan 2, 2014, 5:25am Top

>104 cpg: Sorry but I don't consider regular hardbacks of common novels "nice things." I consider them large expensive-for-no-reason things that take up too much room on my shelves. The only time I potentially want a hardback is if it's either a really huge book and therefore there will be no worry about bending the spine, or if it's some kind of "special" book. Otherwise they are simply obnoxious.

107timspalding
Jan 3, 2014, 8:09pm Top

Here's your chance to pick two more:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/163667

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