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1timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 11:01am Top

Three improvements:

1. DDC/MDS Wording
2. Faster LCC/DDC sorting (posted here already)
3. Your books now sortable by private comments, LCCN and OCLC numbers.

http://blog.librarything.com/main/2014/10/october-catalog-improvements/

2_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 11:06am Top

Sounds good, thanks!

But honestly, as much as I like the sound of the DDC/MDS wording column, I'm really unlikely to use it because it's such a PITA to move columns around. I hope one day we'll be able to drag and drop. Or in the meantime, it would be nice to have more than five display styles so that we don't have to break our existing ones whenever we want to try something new.

3elenchus
Oct 23, 2014, 11:08am Top

Count me as someone who didn't know about DDC mode. I'm psyched to explore a little, starting with my catalogue.

Thanks!

4timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 11:16am Top

I don't think we'll see a live drag-and-drop. But we could have a UI for changing them that's drag and drop. The big problem is that, although it's horizontal, the UI for changing it needs to be either be vertical or horizontal but dripping onto a second or third line.

5gilroy
Oct 23, 2014, 11:21am Top

I agree with _Zoe_ . We need more than 5 display styles...

6jjwilson61
Oct 23, 2014, 11:25am Top

Just replace your current Dewey Decimal column with a Dewey Wording column since the Wording column also displays the number. It may mess up the column widths but you could try it out that way.

7reading_fox
Oct 23, 2014, 11:26am Top

Acronym explanations?

For those of us who don't come from a library background. DDC?

8_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 11:26am Top

>4 timspalding: Yeah, I meant just in the edit screen, not in the catalogue itself.

I know it's a bit awkward that it drips onto a second line, but that was initially used as an argument against having more than seven(?) columns too. In practice, there's not really a problem at all.

9_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 11:31am Top

>6 jjwilson61: Yeah, that works for looking at it a bit now, but I don't think I really have room for it permanently in my main display style. I'd rather re-think of one my secondary display styles, which would involve changing more than the one column.

10timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 11:33am Top

Sorry "DDC" is "Dewey Decimal Classification."

11Collectorator
Oct 23, 2014, 12:16pm Top

On some of my books I have more than one DDC. I had them separated by html breaks. The catalog doesn't sort right; the first DDC is not with the rest of the ones like it. I don't really expect the sort feature to accommodate this aspect of my cataloging at all, but I wanted to mention it because now when I double-click to edit these crazy ones, everything is gone! I can deal with it by copying first, but even when I add back the html breaks the system eats them. I'm not saying this is a bug, but I do wish that when I put ###.##html br###.## the system would preserve that info for when I want to edit.

See To School and Home Again http://www.librarything.com/work/10669878/book/67051091 as the first example in my catalog on page 2, sorted by DDC.

If this doesn't make sense, call me when I've had more coffee.

12timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 12:27pm Top

Will look at.

132wonderY
Oct 23, 2014, 12:58pm Top

I see the title of this thread and look forward to 'November catalog improvement'...'December catalog improvements'...

14Collectorator
Oct 23, 2014, 1:04pm Top

no, no!
November Author Combination Improvements...

15_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 1:06pm Top

>13 2wonderY: Ooh, I like that!

Here's a suggested field addition for November: https://www.librarything.com/topic/58632

16timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 1:10pm Top

We're going to have some more Octobers I afraid… :)

17lorax
Oct 23, 2014, 1:13pm Top

Not quite sure what "some more Octobers" means in this context, but one I'd like to see is the format feature actually rolled out for real. I know you're close, from what you said when it leaked out a couple months ago.

18LucindaLibri
Oct 23, 2014, 1:18pm Top

Testing out sorting by the Dewey Wording column, I discovered a bunch of my books have no DDC or LCC. I searched for any previous discussion of this, but couldn't find anything. Wondering how to remedy. Thanks!

19lorax
Oct 23, 2014, 1:23pm Top

>18 LucindaLibri:

A lot of DDC and LCC disappeared when they were recalculated a couple weeks ago. (They're supposed to be automatically recalculated for the "green" numbers, if you don't have the information at book-level. That process hadn't run for six months or more before Tim fixed it recently.) You can look up the numbers from a library source and add them in cases where there's neither "green" (calculated) nor "black" (your book) data available.

20Collectorator
Oct 23, 2014, 1:23pm Top

>18 LucindaLibri: The best way I have found to get DDCs is to find the work on WorldCat, then use that number here: http://classify.oclc.org/classify2/
The best way I have found to get LCCs is to find the work at the LoC.

21_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 1:26pm Top

>17 lorax: Yeah, I don't know what that means either.

22LucindaLibri
Oct 23, 2014, 1:27pm Top

Thanks! It looks like many of them are self-published by the author and/or very old (so lacking ISBNs). Some time this winter I will be trapped inside during a blizzard and will take the time to try to look them up then :) Thanks again!

23LucindaLibri
Oct 23, 2014, 1:41pm Top

Just one more observation. When I enter the DDC myself and then sort by DDC, they aren't sorting in with the other books with that same number. (Just did a book of poetry using 808.81 ) Is there some trick to entering them so that they will be grouped with the others with that number?

24LibraryPerilous
Oct 23, 2014, 1:42pm Top

Maybe that "I'm afraid" is a red herring and Tim means he's going to throw heaps of improvements our way this October.

Thanks, Tim. I've had fun playing with the DDC wording mode.

25timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 1:44pm Top

>19 lorax:

Net-net far more books GOT work-level DDC and LCCs than lost them.

some more Octobers

More catalog improvements ?tomorrow.

>23 LucindaLibri:

Okay, so you:

1. Change the DDC to something
2. Sort by DDC

And it's not working? Is the new LCC showing up? Can you wait five seconds and try sorting again?

26timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 1:46pm Top

Changing the OCLC number works for me—it's sorting just right. Can you explain what you're doing again?

Note that if you edit in place, it won't change until you hit "sort" again.

27timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 1:47pm Top

Yeah, working for me wherever I edit it. It's possible that, if you edit and hit the catalog immediately, the edit won't have "arrived."

28LucindaLibri
Oct 23, 2014, 1:50pm Top

>27 timspalding: I'm adding the number to the Dewey Decimal column. Then I sort by that column and that book appears at the top of the list rather than with the others of that number.

am I supposed to change the number in a different column?
do I have to type rather than copy and paste?

The specific book I'm talking about is: https://www.librarything.com/work/3288960/32377162

29lorax
Oct 23, 2014, 1:51pm Top

>25 timspalding:

Oh, I'm sure that's true. But the people who noticed will be people who had taken more time to set theirs, and thus the changes for them were more likely to be losses. (If someone who doesn't have an LCC or DDC column set and never touched them gained a hundred, they wouldn't notice. If someone who routinely sorts by DDC lost five, they'd notice.)

30_Zoe_
Edited: Oct 23, 2014, 1:51pm Top

More catalog improvements ?tomorrow

Hooray!

31timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 1:53pm Top

>28 LucindaLibri:

Hmmm. Can you put down exactly what you're doing—which book, and what DDC you're putting?

Also, wait a second and see if it sorts now?

32LucindaLibri
Edited: Oct 23, 2014, 2:05pm Top

>31 timspalding:
The book is:
https://www.librarything.com/work/3288960/32377162

I'm in Catalog list mode (so not edit mode).
I double click on the Dewey Decimal box for that book and paste in the number I copy from OCLC.
Then I try to sort by the Dewey Decimal column.
This book appears at the top of the list (after my books with no DDC, but before all other books).
I'm not seeing any extra spaces or characters before the number . . .

Never mind. I double clicked on that box again and the number totally disappeared! So I retyped it and now it sorts correctly. Not sure what happened the first time (and why it disappeared on double-clicking) . . . but I'm going to hold off on doing any more of them today.

33timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 2:22pm Top

So, I'm thinking that you put a space before the number…

34_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 2:25pm Top

>33 timspalding: I don't seem to have spaces before my numbers, but they're also disappearing when I double click on the space in my catalogue. This seems to be happening for all blue numbers.

35timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 2:42pm Top

Ah. Okay. Different issue. Working on now.

36timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 2:50pm Top

Okay, bug. Conceptdawg is looking at it.

37timspalding
Edited: Oct 23, 2014, 3:13pm Top

Fixed! (Thanks conceptdawg)

38_Zoe_
Oct 23, 2014, 3:13pm Top

Thanks!

39lquilter
Oct 23, 2014, 8:07pm Top

Hey, I'm so happy to be able to sort by private comments! Yaay!

40LucindaLibri
Oct 23, 2014, 10:28pm Top

Glad it wasn't just me . . .

I'm also wondering why so many of the DDC have slashes in them . . . e.g. 070.4/49796/0924B ?
Is this some shortcut for multiple DDCs?

Thanks!

(Also glad to be able to sort by private comments.)

41jjmcgaffey
Edited: Oct 23, 2014, 10:33pm Top

>6 jjwilson61: Problem with replacing DDC with DDC Wording - as far as I can see, the latter is not editable (via doubleclick). Have to pair it with DDC for editing. However, if that's doable in your system of comments, it works very nicely....

except there's no way to sort out the green ones. Tim, is there _any_ way we could filter on green? I'd love to get rid of a whole bunch of green data, but when it's so thoroughly mixed with black it's impossible to find in reasonable time.

ETA >40 LucindaLibri: - it's to mark where you can cut off the number and still have a reasonable classification. I nearly always delete to the first slash (so that number would be 070.4 in my catalog) - I don't need fine detail of Dewey (not to mention that I often disagree...).

42timspalding
Oct 23, 2014, 10:59pm Top

>40 LucindaLibri:

It's different places they can be cut and shortened. Take DDC 070.4/49796/0924B. If your collection is small use 070.4. If longer, go longer.

43anglemark
Oct 24, 2014, 7:45am Top

Doesn't seem to be using the local language of the site. Can you correct that (but make it fall back on English when there is no translation; I don't think any language has translated all the English strings)?

44macsbrains
Oct 24, 2014, 11:00am Top

>41 jjmcgaffey:

May I suggest a workflow alternative in the meantime? When I'm working on a green-text field (usually the languages) I make sure my layout has no other fields that can have green text, then I shrink my records per page to about 20 (instead of the 200 I usually keep it at) and then, if and only if there is a green result on the current page, you will get the "green text is calculated" line at the bottom of the page. So I just go page by page, stopping only when I see that line, and since I've cut the # of books per page they're usually easy to spot.

It's not nearly as good as sorting would be, but I find that to be a quick way to find them, especially if I'm only looking for stragglers.

45Collectorator
Oct 24, 2014, 11:07am Top

>44 macsbrains: o my! that is so smart! :-) Now I can't wait to finish the projects I'm on so I can start that one!

46jjmcgaffey
Oct 24, 2014, 11:41am Top

>44 macsbrains: Hmmm, sounds good. A lot of fiddling, but yeah, when I have time for a project I can do it that way...Thanks!

47Collectorator
Oct 25, 2014, 1:13am Top

>44 macsbrains: Thanks to you, I am now green free in less than ten minutes! :D

48macsbrains
Edited: Oct 25, 2014, 11:54am Top

>46 jjmcgaffey: - >47 Collectorator:

Glad to be of service :). Once someone found my workflow for clearing the recently-uploaded member covers module useful, so I thought I'd chime in and see if this was helpful too.

49jjmcgaffey
Oct 27, 2014, 1:22am Top

>48 macsbrains: Oh, was that yours? I'm definitely using that (though RMUC is so frustrating at the moment, with no new covers, that I've kind of dropped off that project). I'd forgotten who suggested it, but it works excellently. Thanks!

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