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1kristilabrie
Edited: Dec 11, 2015, 11:52am Top

Alongside SantaThing—which our Secret Santas have almost finished picking for—we're running our 2nd annual LibraryThing Holiday Card Exchange! You send a card—holiday themed presumably, but not necessarily—to one LibraryThing member and get another from another member. Give and receive as many cards as you like! It's free and simple to join. Sign-ups close Thursday, December 17 at 1pm Eastern.

LibraryThing Holiday Card Exchange:
http://www.librarything.com/cardexchange.php

Blog post:
http://blog.librarything.com/main/2015/12/librarything-holiday-card-exchange-2/

2MarthaJeanne
Dec 11, 2015, 11:48am Top

Signed up!

3Jenni_Canuck
Dec 11, 2015, 11:50am Top

Me, too!

4LibraryPerilous
Dec 11, 2015, 11:52am Top

Yay! Now let the waiting begin:

5.Monkey.
Dec 11, 2015, 11:54am Top

Signing up!

6nrmay
Dec 11, 2015, 12:54pm Top

I'm in!

7tardis
Dec 11, 2015, 1:25pm Top

Signed up! Yay!

8Book-Dragon1952
Dec 11, 2015, 1:41pm Top

Signed up, looking forward to different cards.

9seongeona
Dec 11, 2015, 2:11pm Top

Yay! So happy to see this again. Thank you LT for organizing it.

10timspalding
Dec 11, 2015, 2:23pm Top

Looking forward. Liam has been commissioned to make the card.

11Jenni_Canuck
Dec 11, 2015, 2:30pm Top

>10 timspalding: an original work of art -- I most definitely want one!

12bnielsen
Dec 11, 2015, 2:56pm Top

Signed up! It was fun last year. Thanks for the cards.

13varielle
Dec 11, 2015, 3:28pm Top

Me too!

14camelama
Dec 11, 2015, 7:09pm Top

Woo hoo hoo!

15MrsLee
Dec 11, 2015, 9:55pm Top

My first thought was no, but I can't resist. I may have to send some to other LT member I've corresponded with in the past as well. No promises.

A question. Is there an address to send cards to LibraryThing staff members? I would love to thank you all, but if you don't want tons of cards, I understand. :)

16aviddiva
Dec 11, 2015, 10:40pm Top

Signed up!

17AnnieMod
Dec 11, 2015, 11:36pm Top

Signed up. :) thanks for organizing it again!

18lorannen
Edited: Dec 12, 2015, 12:55am Top

>15 MrsLee: That's very sweet of you! While LTHQ (manned by Tim, Kristi, and Kirsten these days) will be participating in the card exchange, you're always welcome to mail us:

LibraryThing
286 Spring St
Portland, ME 04102

19MrsLee
Dec 12, 2015, 8:21am Top

>18 lorannen: Thank you!

20Sylak
Dec 13, 2015, 2:05pm Top

I'm in too. :)

21mstrust
Dec 13, 2015, 2:35pm Top

Signed up!

22bluepiano
Dec 13, 2015, 4:01pm Top

Is it a given with the card exchange that the sender should use the recipient's library as a way of judging what s/he might like, as is done (most of the time) with SantaThing?

23bnielsen
Dec 13, 2015, 5:33pm Top

>22 bluepiano: I think you should just send a nice christmas card maybe showing something about your local christmas traditions? (Just my $0.02 :-)

I'm sure the cards I receive will end up on the fridge, so my family can see that I (sort of) know someone in xxx and yyy and zzz. And similar I hope the cards I send might make the recipients look at a map to see where on earth that card came from.

24Jenni_Canuck
Dec 13, 2015, 6:32pm Top

>23 bnielsen: Exactly! I hope all my recipients are international :D *fingers crossed*

25AnnieMod
Dec 13, 2015, 10:43pm Top

>22 bluepiano:

It is a postcard... I would assume that the cards will be displayed somewhere so I would not send risque ones but other from that, a postcard is a postcard - what you like to read and what art you like are very different things anyway :)

26LibraryPerilous
Dec 13, 2015, 11:23pm Top

>22 bluepiano: Last year, I took a look at the recipients' libraries and wrote a book recommendation and happy holidays message in my cards. A few of the people who sent me cards did the same. Others just wrote about their holiday plans or simply wished me the season's greetings.

27bluepiano
Dec 14, 2015, 7:57am Top

Oh, so it's meant to be a *post*card, then? or is it a holiday card? I'm confused--to me, those are two different things.

28bnielsen
Dec 14, 2015, 8:04am Top

>27 bluepiano: I'm sure no one will complain if you send both kinds :-)

A bit more serious: The general idea is for both sides to have fun, so send whatever kind you choose.
Quoting from >1 kristilabrie: "You send a card—holiday themed presumably, but not necessarily—to one LibraryThing member and get another from another member."

29Sylak
Dec 14, 2015, 8:33am Top

>24 Jenni_Canuck:

It's a nice idea, in principle; but I rather feel that the deadline of 17th is not enough time to send cards internationally (from Great Britain anyway).

(Ignoring 'Surface Mail') Sending letters by 'Airmail'; the last christmas post dates are:

4 December:
Africa, Middle East

7 December:
Asia, Cyprus, Far East, Japan, Eastern Europe

8 December:
Caribbean, Central & South America

10 December:
Greece, Australia, New Zealand

14 December:
Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Poland

15 December:
Canada, Finland, Sweeden, USA

16 December:
Austria, Iceland, Ireland, Portugal, Spain

17 December:
France

18 December:
Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Slovakia, Switzerland

In light of this, I have regretably un-ticked 'I am willing to send cards outside my country'.

Sorry folks. :(

30AnnieMod
Dec 14, 2015, 8:39am Top

Late postcard is better than no postcard in my book :)

>27 bluepiano:
It is what you want to send basically... I never send the postcards with no envelopes (if this is what you mean?) anyway so postcard for the holidays and holiday card is the same thing for me...

If I was still in Bulgaria, I would be sending a postcard from there plus the Holiday one in an envelope. :) Thinking about that... maybe I should do the same from Arizona... Hm...

31.Monkey.
Dec 14, 2015, 8:43am Top

>30 AnnieMod: Agreed, so what if it doesn't get there by a specific date? That's not what matters at all!

32Sylak
Dec 14, 2015, 9:23am Top

>30 AnnieMod:

Please don't misunderstand me. I am still signed up for it. :)

All I did was un-select the 'international' option, so that my recipients would get their cards in time for Christmas or at the very least New Years Day.

Personally, I keep my cards on display till at least the first week past New Years Day. And, I don't mind getting my cards a little late; but, I know a lot of people here in the UK who take them down the day after Christmas! (Bah-Humbug ;)

33Jenni_Canuck
Dec 14, 2015, 9:25am Top

>29 Sylak: I don't have any deadline for arrival. In general, I suspect my cards will arrive early January: plenty of time for holiday greetings and to wish people all the best in the new year. :-)

34MrsLee
Dec 14, 2015, 9:32am Top

I ticked that I was willing to send international I think. I don't mind lateness at all, so I hope my recipients don't mind either. I like getting mail whenever it arrives, and if it is pretty and not a bill, that's even better! I don't get many Christmas cards anymore, being too busy/out of funds to send them to everyone, and having arthritis in my hands so that hand writing hurts, I stopped sending them. However, I can send 5.

35AnnieMod
Dec 14, 2015, 9:33am Top

>32 Sylak:

I understood you :) I am just saying that I am not worried about cards arriving on time. So I am will send them internationally - even if they make it there by Easter :)

36Jenni_Canuck
Dec 14, 2015, 9:36am Top

>34 MrsLee: Agreed! It is so nice to receive mail that isn't bills - any time of year :D

37tardis
Dec 14, 2015, 1:14pm Top

I send cards in envelopes, not postcards. Can't recall if I received any before Christmas last year, but it was lovely to get them when they did arrive. One was a postcard (not in envelope) but the others were greeting cards in envelopes. I loved getting all of them.

38MarthaJeanne
Dec 14, 2015, 2:01pm Top

I learned years ago that in German, if you say 'Karte' you mean a postcard - a single layer usually with a picture on one side and space for a message and an address on the back. What I would call a 'Card' - with a picture on the outside, and opening up to show the greeting, is called a 'Billet'.

39Sylak
Edited: Dec 14, 2015, 3:02pm Top

>38 MarthaJeanne:
In France a 'carte' with a small 'billet' contained within is always welcome. ;)
Billet can refer to paper money in French

40bluepiano
Dec 14, 2015, 4:35pm Top

And an even more welcome carte with two small billets enclosed is a billet-deux.

41kristilabrie
Dec 14, 2015, 5:02pm Top

>22 bluepiano: Not a given at all. This is primarily a fun holiday card exchange, to which you can tailor as much or as little as you like!

You can send a postcard or a greeting card, if it's a card you can send it. Holiday-themed or not. Personally, I don't care if I receive any "late" cards, I have to agree with >36 Jenni_Canuck: that anything other than a bill is always nice to receive! :)

Can't wait to play! :)

42Sylak
Dec 14, 2015, 5:43pm Top

>40 bluepiano:

*Groan* ;)

43ILuvBookplates
Dec 15, 2015, 12:49pm Top

I suppose you could always say Holiday Greetings 2016 and then the card will be early instead of late.

44Sylak
Dec 15, 2015, 1:06pm Top

Okay - enough already! ;)
I get it - everyone is cool if my card gets to them a little late. :D

I am happy to announce that as of last night, Sylak is once again an international player in the 2nd Annual Holiday Card Exchange.

Only 2 days to go... :)

45kristilabrie
Dec 15, 2015, 1:10pm Top

Woo!! We peer pressured you back, glad to see you're international once more! ;)

46bluepiano
Dec 15, 2015, 3:39pm Top

I'm still undecided because rural area, limited transport, Xmas P.O. nightmare, but I'll tell you what--if LT ever establishes a bookmark exchange I'll sign up in a heartbeat.

47timspalding
Dec 15, 2015, 3:42pm Top

>46 bluepiano:

I want LT bookmarks—nice ones.

And ex libris—um—ex librises?

48MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 15, 2015, 3:52pm Top

I was in an international stitching group that exchanged bookmarks once. I believe each of us sent 2 embroidered bookmarks in. The organizer sent each of us one back and the rest went to an adult reading program in the LA area. She had (her own) money for the postage but wanted concrete tokens for the graduates.

Come to think of it, she was the same person who introduced me to LT.

49Jenni_Canuck
Dec 15, 2015, 3:54pm Top

>47 timspalding: Have a design contest -- I bet you'd be spoiled for choice! :-)

50bluepiano
Dec 15, 2015, 5:09pm Top

>47 timspalding: I guess you'd have to find someone who knows Latin to answer that one.

I do know that ex-liberos was used colloquially in Roman times to mean something much like 'free at last', which has led ultimately to the legal sense of 'finalising of a divorce' and, through further corruption and the usual linguistic shifts, the words 'library', 'lingonberry', and 'explicit'.

51timspalding
Dec 16, 2015, 12:16am Top

>50 bluepiano:

Heh. I'm an ex-Latin student—drop-out from a Ph.D program in Classics.

Ex libris means "from the books." Libris is plural.(1) The idea is that the book is "from the books" of so-and-so (either named, in the genitive, if you want to keep it in Latin, or with an underline to write it in).

In calling these bookplates "ex libris," we're turning a prepositional phrase with a plural noun into a singular English noun. There's no way to pluralize that in Latin, because it's not really Latin anymore, but English.

So I'd go with ex librises. Or just avoid it :)


1. Liber is a half-homonym, meaning both "book" and "free," but the latter has an (unwritten) long initial "i" and they decline differently, so it'd be liberis if it was "from the free [ones]."

52bluepiano
Dec 16, 2015, 4:46am Top

>51 timspalding: You were so patient with a wilfully idiotic post that I'm feeling a bit ashamed. It's past time I looked for an emoticon for 'flippant'. Sorry; it was good of you to take the time.

It's true about 'lingonberry', though. Supposedly present form derives from Goths' attempts to pronounce 'municipal library', i.e., 'repository for small fruits'.

53anglemark
Dec 16, 2015, 6:26am Top

>52 bluepiano: Confirmed.

54timspalding
Dec 16, 2015, 8:38pm Top

>52 bluepiano:

Ha. Sorry for getting pedantic on you. I'm inclined… :)

I thought lingonberry was originally Klingonberry?

55ILuvBookplates
Dec 17, 2015, 11:35am Top

Does everyone put their return address on the cards or do you do it anonymously?

56tardis
Dec 17, 2015, 11:39am Top

I put my return address on the envelope, but not inside the card. I don't see why one couldn't do it anonymously if preferred.

57.Monkey.
Dec 17, 2015, 12:09pm Top

Yeah, pretty much anything I send tends to be with return address on the envelope, standard mailing practice, but you could leave it off if you wanted.

58Sylak
Dec 17, 2015, 1:25pm Top

>54 timspalding:

As far as I am aware there is no Klingon (or is that Klingonese?) word for lingonberry Tim. ;)

I'm not proficient in linguistics; but, may I suggest: LinGon NaHmey

59kristilabrie
Dec 17, 2015, 3:32pm Top

>55 ILuvBookplates: Return address isn't required, though I'll probably enter mine.

Tim's working with the card exchange script as we speak, there's a bit of a snag I think with not enough international senders, but we'll send out your exchangees ASAP! Thanks! :)

60timspalding
Dec 17, 2015, 4:54pm Top

Hey. I'm still working on it. The math of getting everyone matched it proving a little tough. It should be ready soon, though.

61timspalding
Dec 17, 2015, 5:38pm Top

Okay, all set. Notices coming soon.

62tardis
Dec 17, 2015, 11:02pm Top

My cards are written and will be in the mailbox tomorrow morning. They're all going to the US so I don't know if they'll arrive before Christmas or not, but I've done what I can.

Thanks, LT peoples!

63ILuvBookplates
Dec 17, 2015, 11:14pm Top

One of mine is only going about 25 miles so I am confident it will get there by Christmas. The others have about a 50/50 chance.

64MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 3:33am Top

Most of mine are in Europe, so they have a good chance of getting there this year. We'll see about the US ones.

I'll go write them now so I can mail them this afternoon.

All ready, but I made a stupid mistake on the one for LT - the card is portrait, but I wrote in it as if it was landscape. Sorry. Got the other right, I think.

65.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 4:03am Top

I didn't get any notice, but the addresses are on the card page.

Next year, perhaps you ought to write in big bold letters to include your country! in the address, though. >.>

66MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 4:11am Top

The only one I got without a country included BE in the european style postal code, so I knew it was Belgium. But yes, I am used to various addresses. Someone else might not recognize that.

67Sylak
Dec 18, 2015, 4:27am Top

>65 .Monkey.:

Thanks. I didn't think to look there! For some reason I was expecting the list to be sent to me in my messages - which I have been checking on the hour since Tim's post yesterday. DOH!

Got it now. :)

http://www.librarything.com/cardexchange.php

68fancett
Dec 18, 2015, 4:59am Top

Mine are now in the post and as they are within Europe I'm hoping they will get there soon. Now all I need to do is be patient and wait and see who is sending to me! Like .Monkey I was looking for a message but then thought to look on the sign-up page.

69Chrischi_HH
Dec 18, 2015, 5:00am Top

Uhm, does anybody want to swap one recipient? I got my own sister, and she already received a card anyway. :D

(It's an address in Germany, and I'm willing to send my card anywhere in the world.)

70ursula
Dec 18, 2015, 5:32am Top

>69 Chrischi_HH: I'd be interested! I didn't sign up because postage outside Europe is stupidly expensive from Italy, but Germany is reasonable. :)

71.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 6:14am Top

>66 MarthaJeanne: Same, but of course I'm familiar with that one :P but I got another one as well that I had to look up in order to find the country. :|

72Chrischi_HH
Dec 18, 2015, 7:17am Top

>70 ursula: Thanks for the offer, but I don't think that really works. You would send a card to my sister, but not get any card back because they are all randomly assigned (I think). However, if you're interested I would be fine with writing one more card to you and getting one from Italy in return? :) Just send me a PM.

.Monkey., I'll answer your PM right away!

73rastaphrog
Dec 18, 2015, 8:16am Top

I signed up, but I didn't get any notice about it, and going to the cardexchange.php page just gets me the info on it and link to sign up. I guess my signup didn't take for some reason.

74MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 8:30am Top

I didn't get a message, but on the card exchange page I see in blue 'Edit my sign-up' instead of the sign up link, and under the number of those signed up a list of adresses of people to send cards to. If you still see the link to sign up, it must not have saved right.

75crazy4reading
Dec 18, 2015, 8:31am Top

All cards are written, now I just need to stop at the post office to mail them today. Hope to go out at lunch today.

76mellymel171328
Dec 18, 2015, 9:25am Top

I have my cards in the mail box this morning.

77MrsLee
Dec 18, 2015, 9:37am Top

Yikes! Glad I checked this thread, I also was waiting for my little yellow message box to light up! Thanks for the link above folks!

78kristilabrie
Dec 18, 2015, 9:42am Top

>73 rastaphrog: I'm sorry your signup didn't go through! I'll check with Tim to see what's up.

79reading_fox
Dec 18, 2015, 9:43am Top

>74 MarthaJeanne:! Thanks!

Have also been waiting for a notification!

80ILuvBookplates
Dec 18, 2015, 9:46am Top

rastaphrog, I don't think anyone got a notice but under the link to sign up it should have a header called Participating So Far and then under that there should be a header that says Cards To Send and under that are the names and addresses. Does your cardexchange.php page scroll a little farther down? Mine didn't appear to look any different until I noticed it would scroll a tiny bit.

81kristilabrie
Dec 18, 2015, 9:49am Top

>79 reading_fox: Sorry we didn't send out profile notifications, I'll see if we can't send them today (better late than never!). I've at least modified the Home News post for folks to find their list of card recipients. :)

82kristilabrie
Dec 18, 2015, 9:52am Top

>80 ILuvBookplates: Unfortunately, rastaphrog is still seeing the link to sign up (I tested on their account to make sure), not the "Edit my sign-up" link they should have seen if their sign up went through.

83rastaphrog
Dec 18, 2015, 11:15am Top

I guess I'll have to make sure I double check next year that it went thru properly.

84mstrust
Dec 18, 2015, 11:20am Top

Mine are in the mailbox.

85timspalding
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 11:23am Top

The algorithm that picks had some trouble finding matches in both directions for everyone. The logic of picking was hardest in the UK, where high card counts and a mix of people wanting to send to only other UK people made the math fail. All told four members are short eight cards total. Amusingly, the algorithm tries to make sure everyone gives the number they're supposed to get, but sometimes there's no one eligible to receive, so one member is going to get eight extra cards. (Should I tell them? Could be quite a surprise!)

Anyway, I need some volunteers to send an extra card. Anyone?

86tardis
Dec 18, 2015, 11:25am Top

>85 timspalding: I can send an extra card if that works for you. It won't go out today, though, because I didn't bring any to work with me and the post will have gone by the time I get home. So let me know but if there are other people who can do it in a more timely manner, that's fine.

87cbl_tn
Dec 18, 2015, 11:28am Top

I can send an extra card within the US. I have plenty of US stamps. I won't be able to get to a post office to send international mail before I leave home for the holidays.

88ILuvBookplates
Dec 18, 2015, 11:32am Top

I can send an extra card.

89Sylak
Dec 18, 2015, 11:32am Top

>85 timspalding:

I guess I'll step up, just to dispel the myth that people in the UK are stingy about sending cards abroad.

Yeah - count me in for an extra one too, Tim. :)

90varielle
Dec 18, 2015, 11:36am Top

I can send extras if you still need someone.

91Book-Dragon1952
Dec 18, 2015, 11:56am Top

I'll send extra if needed.

92LibraryPerilous
Dec 18, 2015, 11:58am Top

>85 timspalding: I can send at least two extra cards to US or international recipients.

93Jenni_Canuck
Dec 18, 2015, 12:08pm Top

>85 timspalding: If you need any more volunteers, let me know. I'm happy to send internationally. I would have signed up twice if I could have figured out a way to do so without creating a new account :D

94AnnieMod
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 12:43pm Top

>85 timspalding:

Tim,

I can send extra cards if needed :)

>93 Jenni_Canuck:
Drats. I have a second account. I did not even think to sign from it as well :)

95mellymel171328
Dec 18, 2015, 12:44pm Top

I wish I had more stamps to send more cards. If I find my missing stamps before tomorrow I will let LT know. :)

96AnnieMod
Dec 18, 2015, 12:47pm Top

>83 rastaphrog:

I just left you a profile message - I can send you a postcard if you send me your address. :) Technology fail or a user error is not a reason for someone not getting postcards!

97timspalding
Dec 18, 2015, 12:59pm Top

Okay, sending out notices to people.

98reading_fox
Dec 18, 2015, 1:06pm Top

Cards sent to the US. You may get them late as the official last posting date was Weds. Hope you enjoy them anyway.

99timspalding
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 1:07pm Top

>83 rastaphrog:

I'm so sorry too. Send me your address too? I got loads of extra cards.

100timspalding
Dec 18, 2015, 1:07pm Top

>98 reading_fox:

Yeah, we're still signing ours. But then I never have time to read cards until after Christmas anyway.

101MarthaJeanne
Dec 18, 2015, 1:47pm Top

>83 rastaphrog: I had to buy an extra stamp for the US, so I can send you one, too.

102aviddiva
Dec 18, 2015, 2:38pm Top

I can send an extra card.

103timspalding
Dec 18, 2015, 2:40pm Top

We're all set, thanks!

104jeanie0510
Dec 18, 2015, 2:43pm Top

Some of the names I received to send cards to, don't have a name listed, only their LT name. Should I just address the card to the LT name? One is kinda strange and doesn't seem like a name at all. Any suggestions?

105timspalding
Dec 18, 2015, 2:53pm Top

Yeah, I just left the name off. I presume they'll get there.

106lorax
Dec 18, 2015, 2:56pm Top

>100 timspalding:

I never have time to read cards until after Christmas anyway.

We've been sending New Years' cards for the past few years - gives us time to get them out during the lull for the couple days after Christmas.

107Jenni_Canuck
Dec 18, 2015, 3:30pm Top

>83 rastaphrog: What >96 AnnieMod: said. If you give me your address, I'd be happy to send you a card!

108AnnieMod
Dec 18, 2015, 3:46pm Top

>104 jeanie0510:, >105 timspalding:

"Current occupant" or "Family" or "LT User" (as a string, not the name itself)? :) Or name off works as well - I am still wondering what to do as well.

109tardis
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 3:49pm Top

I used the LT username for the ones I sent that didn't have names. In one case it was "firstname LTusername" since I happened to know the first name :)

110lorax
Dec 18, 2015, 4:05pm Top

It's pretty trivial to find out who lives at a given address, if you're really concerned with making sure you assign a real-world name to people who have chosen not to provide one. Personally I'd respect people's decision in that regard, but YMMV.

111Louve_de_mer
Dec 18, 2015, 4:06pm Top

>83 rastaphrog: I can send you a postcard if you send me your address.

112.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 4:09pm Top

>110 lorax: Somehow I don't think people are interested in privacy invasion, but in ensuring the mail gets to the proper location.

113lorax
Edited: Dec 18, 2015, 4:10pm Top

>112 .Monkey.:

But they're providing addresses, aren't they? Have they really never received mail addressed to "Occupant" or "Resident"?

114AnnieMod
Dec 18, 2015, 4:14pm Top

>113 lorax:

Well, yes but not everyone lives alone. So if you look it up, you can send it to the wrong person. At least with Occupant/Resident, it is clear that it is for someone but not specifically to the wrong person.

115.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 4:19pm Top

Yeah, and mail deliverers tend to be familiar with who "belongs" to houses so if something were addressed oddly it could lead to problems with them not thinking it was meant for that mailbox. Or in apartment buildings, they'd have no clue who it was meant for.

116AnnieMod
Dec 18, 2015, 4:28pm Top

>115 .Monkey.:

That's where apartment numbers come into play :) I would not put a name the recipient did not provide (even if I can find it) - if they did not provide it, I would do something generic...

117.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 4:38pm Top

>116 AnnieMod: Not here. It's not like the US where there's big apartment buildings and everyone has their own number, there's not normally room in larger cities for those. Apartments have the mailboxes in or beside the door, with names on them, so they know which flap the mail goes in.

118MarthaJeanne
Dec 18, 2015, 4:43pm Top

I wish our mailman wouldn't leave mail for previous occupants. We've only been here 8 years.

119tardis
Dec 18, 2015, 4:45pm Top

*snort* Judging by the number of items of other people's mail that I get, and of my own that gets delivered to the wrong house, I'd say the letter carriers don't pay much attention at all around here.

120AnnieMod
Dec 18, 2015, 4:47pm Top

>117 .Monkey.:

Ah. Bulgaria is the same as USA (mailbox at the first floor with numbers of apartments on them basically -- sometimes with names; not all had names though). So you do not have a separate street number but a separate apartment number as part of the address. I do not think I had ever lived in a place where only a name determine who gets the mail (unless they are the same household)

121jeanie0510
Dec 18, 2015, 4:59pm Top

Thanks for all the suggestions. Many valid points were made regarding putting a persons name on the envelope, as I don't regard it as an invasion of privacy. If they are involved in a card exchange, evidently they are not that worried about privacy. Thanks AnnieMod, I think I'll use "LT User."

122Sylak
Dec 18, 2015, 5:12pm Top

>119 tardis:

and here I was thinking it was just the Royal Mail that has gone down hill in the past 10 years. :/

123bluepiano
Dec 18, 2015, 5:19pm Top

>120 AnnieMod: et al: Indeed, and where I live (rural Ireland) local addresses are only the name of the townland and the parish; an address lacking a name would be impossible to deliver. I know that as well in UK houses are often given names, so a letter addressed to 'Mon Abri, Lower Little Nether High Street, Farbingithbottomshaugh' might be for any of several houses. Reminding signees next year that their addresses, if not conventional US street numbers, could require a name might be something worth considering.

124.Monkey.
Dec 18, 2015, 5:30pm Top

>120 AnnieMod: Yeah the vast majority of apartments here are this way, you can walk all around the city and see the same, most typical is 3-4 floor buildings with 2-4 households (the bottom floor may be a business) (though of course some are larger and have more), the address is just "Some Street 12" and the postal worker puts the addressee's mail in the flap with their name on it. In our old place the boxes didn't even lock, they were just wood flaps you lifted, lol. This place has proper locking boxes though!

125Sylak
Dec 18, 2015, 5:39pm Top

Guys,
You do realise that the Americans already think we are living in the bronze age!

You are not helping - Shhh... ;)

126timspalding
Dec 18, 2015, 10:42pm Top

So, I figure if you leave out your name, it's because you know that, if you leave it out, it still works. If it doesn't work, well, that's too bad, and why'd you put it?

127camelama
Dec 19, 2015, 2:11am Top

Also happy to send extra cards if still needed - or if you have missed out on signing up, happy to send you one!

128rastaphrog
Dec 19, 2015, 6:33am Top

Thanks to everyone offering to send a card if I give them my address. It's not necessary, I think I can survive.

129Sylak
Dec 19, 2015, 6:57am Top

>126 timspalding:
Tim has hit the nail on the head. Each individual obviously knows their local addressing conventions.
Although, to a lot of us brought up with a certain format it seems incomplete to address a letter to someone without adding their name. It may even come across as bad manners.
But, the world is more diverse, and full of conflicting social norms and etiquette.
As a rule, I'd have to agree with Tim and lorax on this subject and just keep it simple.

130varielle
Dec 19, 2015, 7:39am Top

I do know that if you send a letter to China without a name it may not get delivered.

131.Monkey.
Dec 19, 2015, 7:56am Top

For the record, I do not think anyone responding to that question was remotely suggesting anyone try to go scouring the internet to find real names associated with anyone's addresses. It spurred a discussion on why people would normally include such information and potential problems that can come of leaving it off. That's it.

132Sylak
Dec 19, 2015, 9:16am Top

>131 .Monkey.:
I totally agree with you there. It certainly would have come off as a little creepy if people had gone to such extremes.
I made a little joke earlier. But, I don't think anyone laughed. Meh.

133mellymel171328
Dec 19, 2015, 10:05am Top

I had one that didn't include the name but allowed their LT profile to be seen and their name was on that so I assumed it was okay to add it to the letter.

134ILuvBookplates
Dec 19, 2015, 10:23am Top

People may have thought their name would automatically show up in the notice and only wrote in a mailing address when they signed up for the card exchange.

135aerobama
Dec 19, 2015, 10:44am Top

Four cards mailed this morning to Pennsylvania, Iowa, Indiana, and Georgia from Alabama.

136seongeona
Dec 19, 2015, 12:02pm Top

Thanks Tim for all the hard work you did to make this work! This is the 2nd year I'm participating and I increased my card count significantly this year because of last year's positive experience. My only disappointment this year was not getting any overseas addresses (I was prepared to send all my cards overseas!) but I understand. Still fun. :)

137Book-Dragon1952
Dec 19, 2015, 2:03pm Top

All cards mailed out! After reading the above discussion, I don't remember if I put my name or just my address I the sing-up. I think I assumed it would be included because it is on my profile. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

138bnielsen
Dec 19, 2015, 3:12pm Top

Cards in the mail. Alas, >137 Book-Dragon1952: was not on my list. Otherwise the typo sing-up for sign-up would have gotten you a singing postcard from me :-)

139nrmay
Dec 19, 2015, 3:22pm Top

Cards mailed yesterday to California, Indiana, St Louis and Denver!
Now I'll be waiting by my mailbox . . .

140mellymel171328
Dec 19, 2015, 3:31pm Top

>137 Book-Dragon1952: I might be spoiling ONE card for you but I got you and it didn't have a name. I wasn't offended I just figured you didn't realize it wouldn't automatically show. I saw it on your profile and still used it. :) Hope you like my card!

141lorannen
Dec 19, 2015, 5:20pm Top

>137 Book-Dragon1952: I think you spurred discussion more than anything, but it's worth noting that we don't automatically pull real names from LT profiles for use anywhere on the site. It's an optional field, and many choose to leave it blank.

142norabelle414
Dec 19, 2015, 6:08pm Top

Maybe next year the field should say "name and mailing address" or "mailing address (including name, if desired)"

143AnnieMod
Dec 19, 2015, 11:18pm Top

And postcards out - to 10 different states (I just checked again - yep, all 10 are to different states) and one gong the long way to the South Hemisphere (now... that one will be late) :)

Maybe we can have the option for more than 10 next year? :)

144Book-Dragon1952
Dec 20, 2015, 4:33pm Top

>137 Book-Dragon1952: Live and learn! I'll know better for next year. thanks for the card!
>141 lorannen:. Thanks for the info. I'll use my name next year.

145lorax
Dec 21, 2015, 10:33am Top

>126 timspalding:

Yeah. There are situations where name would be a necessary disambiguator, but I think the best person to know that would be *the person who actually lives there and is providing the address*.

146.Monkey.
Dec 21, 2015, 10:57am Top

Right, but people sometimes don't think through things. "It's asking for my address, okay, here is my address" and it says nothing about name, so... I have no idea whether that applies to anyone who is participating in this or not (though one person did already say they figured their name is in their account so it would have been available that way), but I have experienced this with friends on other sites, multiple times. People are busy, or whatever, see "address" and simply provide "address" as requested, without thought to who it is being addressed to.

147Sylak
Dec 21, 2015, 12:57pm Top

I have a couple of future improvements I'd like to put forward:

Another way LT could improve sign-up would be to introduced multiple fields for: 'name', 'address', 'Post/zip code' etc.
This way names could not be left out by accident. It would also prompt people to remember 'Country' ;)

I also would urge for a much earlier cut-off date for signing up, nearer the beginning rather than the end of December.

148fancett
Dec 21, 2015, 1:34pm Top

I agree that it would be better to have an earlier signing up and ways of reminding people to include their name and country. I automatically included my name as our address is incomplete without it - in a small hamlet of 15 or so houses surnames are used instead of house names or numbers to indicate who the post is for, but I don't know whether I would have thought to include it otherwise.

149lorax
Dec 21, 2015, 1:40pm Top

I foolishly posted this in the "Suggestions for next year" thread rather than the "2015" thread, so I will repost it here:

Let people choose to send cards but not receive them. I'd be happy to send holiday cards, but don't want to provide my address in order to receive them - I don't want my online pseudonym to be easily associated with my real name, and publicly associating my address with my pseudonym would do that. (I have provided my address to Early Reviewers, but I decided that was worth the risk.)

150.Monkey.
Dec 21, 2015, 1:50pm Top

>147 Sylak: Strongly agreed on all counts.

151MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 21, 2015, 2:09pm Top

>147 Sylak: Please do NOT put in separate fields for everything. Address formats in different countries are different, and my mailman has trouble telling the difference between 72 and 77. Don't know how he would react if the house number was on the left and the postal code on the right. Here in Austria it's the other way around.

Maybe fields for name, address, country. Each of us knows best how to format our own address.

152Sylak
Edited: Dec 21, 2015, 2:16pm Top

>151 MarthaJeanne:
Good point. Three fields: 'name', 'address', 'country'. :)

I have always written the number 7 with a line going through it. But, you are right. I'm not sure if that is so common outside of Europe.

153.Monkey.
Edited: Dec 21, 2015, 2:19pm Top

True, I wasn't paying close enough attention, lol. But I believe it works fine with the post code on either end here, though proper format is indeed post code followed by city/province. House number definitely needs to be at the end, though, not the beginning! Who knows what sort of confusion that might lead to! Haha.

ETA
And no, lines through 7s are fairly uncommon in the US, not standard at all.

154lorax
Dec 21, 2015, 2:19pm Top

I'm really baffled by how many people simultaneously (1) have name as an absolute requirement for successful delivery of their mail and (2) would never think to provide that crucial bit of information in a mail-delivery context unless explicitly asked. But there's a lot I don't understand.

155Sylak
Dec 21, 2015, 3:52pm Top

I want to share with you all, the fiasco I had at my post office last week over sending cards.

I had to make three return visits, because my envelopes were (get this) 4mm over the size limit for standard letters (The same envelopes I purchased from the store which services the post office I was in!).
I was then told that even though I could still demonstrate (and, I did) that they could be pushed (with a firm hand) through the sizing slot; that, should my letters fail to 'drop' by themselves through the correct sized slot anywhere along the automated line between the UK and the US, the recipients would then risk paying a fine for incomplete postage!
The P.O. clerk wanted to charge me the next postal rate up, which was going to cost an incredible 47USD in stamps for ten (average sized) post cards!
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but that is a little pricey to me (Not a wonder Tim had trouble with UK members reluctant to send cards outside their country).
I know it sounds crass to talk about costs. I really don't begrudge spending money. What I object to is being ripped off!

So, bottom line. If you get a card from me a couple of days later than expected; and find it looks like the envelope was sliced up with the skill of a surgeon then taped together with the skill of a preschooler. Its because Sylak is a pedantic old fool who would rather spend money on fuel driving back and forth, not to mention the excessive time and effort, than be out smarted by 'The Man'.

Epilogue.
Not only did I get my cards to drop through that darn sizing slot like brandy butter off a spoon, I also made the post office worker print me off proof of postings for each and every card I sent.
And, it did not cost me 47 dollars!
And, I still had the grace to wish them all a Merry Christmas.
Job done. :)

156amanda4242
Edited: Dec 21, 2015, 4:00pm Top

>155 Sylak: Well done! My mailings were significantly less problematic: my mother is the local postmaster so I just handed her the envelopes and asked her to stick on some stamps and mail them for me.

157MarthaJeanne
Dec 21, 2015, 4:01pm Top

I had the choice of carrying mine to the local 'post partner' or having my husband mail them at the UN Post Office. I cose the first in the hope of getting nice Christmas stamps. Sorry, those came in rolls of fifty. The stamps I ended up using are boring/ugly. It sounded like there might have been other options earlier, and I might have found other stamps at a real post office. Then again, I get much better service at the pharmacy than I ever did at the old post office.

I have another card to send (not LT). It will go the UN route.

158ILuvBookplates
Dec 21, 2015, 5:03pm Top

I have mailed cards to England in the past and the woman at the post office would give me the choice of a $1.20 rate which she said might take a few weeks or almost $20 (per card!) which she said would get the cards there in a few days but I knew from experience that if I mailed the cards on Monday morning my recipients usually had them by Thursday so didn't fall for the $20 per card thing. Now having said that, I never sent any cards so close to Christmas before so who knows how long it will take at a lower rate. I tried to remember to throw in a Happy New Year but hopefully wont have needed to throw in a valentine greeting.

159LibraryPerilous
Dec 21, 2015, 5:06pm Top

>155 Sylak: Ha! You could get an absurdist novel out of that one.

160mstrust
Dec 21, 2015, 5:36pm Top

>155 Sylak: I think you ran into one of those surly postal workers. My husband has to do a lot of package mailing and the post office closest to his shop has one really mean employee who questions everything and tells him he can't package that way or mail that item. Like she doesn't want him to use the postal service.
Luckily, in my experience at least, those mean employees are few. The majority are really nice.

161Sylak
Dec 21, 2015, 8:42pm Top

>160 mstrust:

I gave everyone the cut-down version of the story.

During my third and final visit: I happened to be standing only one window away from the clerk who served (if that is the right word) me two days earlier. As I recounted my brief ordeal (clearly within earshot), my former 'tormenter' turned to her colleague and complained back that she HAD given the correct advice (I felt like I was 5 years old again in the playground).
I calmly, but firmly, replied that; having visited the Royal Mail website, it clearly states that I am quite entitled to have one of the sides of my letter exceed 16.5cm so long as it is no longer than 24cm. The side in question had formally been under 17cm before I had had to alter it after my second visit, before which, I had already trimmed the offending perpendicular edge to exactly 16.5cm and demonstrated that it did fit (at a push).
I had now re-trimmed both sides to easily slip through the Post Office's Lament Box. But, she would have none of this 'talk', and proceeded to repeat her fanciful story that someone could have still measured the wrong side of my letter and deemed it in breech of sizing regulations (*Has anybody seen Sam Lowry?).
I tried my best to explain, yet again, that this could not be true because their own rules clearly states that I am allowed 16.5cm x 24cm. At which point the worker in question actually turned her nose up and went back to dealing with her own customer.
Throughout the whole adjudication she refused to make eye contact with me; and, I was as nice as pie. Not once raising my voice. :/

I am sure there must be competent and polite staff working at the post office somewhere. Just as I am sure intelligent life exists somewhere in the universe; but, on my repeated visits to the post office I encountered most who seemed less informed than someone, like me, who has spent a mere 10mins on their web site. It's not very encouraging really. I blame the managers who trained them!
It felt very much like I was in a skit from Mark Gatiss' The League of Gentlemen.
As has already been mentioned - very Kafkaesque.

At least I can laugh about it now.

162lorannen
Dec 21, 2015, 8:48pm Top

>161 Sylak: That sounds quite exhausting and infuriating, and I'm sure the recipients of your cards will appreciate the great lengths you've gone to for them.

Also, +10 for the Brazil reference.

163Sylak
Dec 21, 2015, 10:35pm Top

>154 lorax:

It's not just that. Those people are more likely to provide a Moniker - true.
But, in places where it may not mechanically be part of the address itself; some people may not think to include it, even if they do expect to receive mail addressed to them personally. Because they may assume tiny bots will take care of the rest.

I think that the problem is that many of us are becoming institutionally lazy, thanks in part to blind faith in a system that many of us don't fully understand in detail.
I am not talking about any specific criticism to do with LT here. I mean technology as a whole.

164crazy4reading
Dec 22, 2015, 7:09am Top

My only problem at the post office was needing to have the countries listed on my envelopes. My postal worker was nice to put stamps on the over seas cards and I went home and researched the countries and then put them in the mail. People were complaining about the line. It was around noon so I figured the other postal worker was at lunch. I have a few different post offices I can use and one has nicer employees then some of the other ones.

I believe I put my name in when I wrote my address just out of habit. I guess since I used to actually write letters and not just email it is ingrained in me. I just need to remember to add my Country. That seems to be something I forget.

I have received one card so far. I also received one from one that I sent to last year.

>155 Sylak: Glad you were able to keep your cool. I have seen people get angry both as in customer and the one doing the service. Not a pleasant thing to witness.

165bnielsen
Edited: Dec 22, 2015, 8:36am Top

Just received a card this morning. Thanks, MarthaJeanne !

166Louve_de_mer
Dec 22, 2015, 8:58am Top

Got a card today, from MarthaJeanne too. Thank you !

167MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 22, 2015, 9:43am Top

Oh! Good! At least the European ones are getting there. Maybe I should go check my mail box.

ETA No LT cards yet.

168kristilabrie
Edited: Dec 22, 2015, 9:45am Top

>155 Sylak: Wow! Of all the issues I’ve ever had sending out merch through the post office, that ordeal sounds awful. You were graceful indeed! And well done outdoing “The Man” :)

Also re: >161 Sylak: Ugh - I’ve found that the overall attitude tends to vary from post office to post office. The two I have in my hometown are small, the staff don’t look particularly happy to be there, and they’re less than helpful - also where I’ve had the most issues with sending stuff out. The ones I go to in Portland (our Headquarters) are much quicker, more knowledgeable, friendly and helpful.

>147 Sylak: Duly noted. We had planned on running things earlier, but there were unexpected delays with SantaThing and the Card Exchange. We also don’t run the Card Exchange at the same time as SantaThing sign-ups on purpose, to avoid pulling any attention away from ST. Next year’s plan is to run everything earlier, so hopefully this will all work out better!

169MarthaJeanne
Dec 22, 2015, 9:53am Top

My favourite story is years old now. My sister was mailing me a package to Vienna, Austria from Boston, Mass, USA and was told off for wanting the European rate, and also for using an improper abreviation of Australia. Sigh.

170Lyndatrue
Dec 22, 2015, 11:06am Top

That's it. You've all convinced me. I am never, ever moving. The staff at my local post office are unfailingly pleasant, and patient with the occasional person that *I* would just drown, instead of putting up with them. When I first retired, they were one of the tipping points that made me move here.

As is my habit before a move, I got a PO Box, to have things forwarded to, and to use for the change in address, so as to give myself a couple of months (or so) lead time. They went out of their way to be helpful, asking me if I knew the area, suggesting neighborhoods for me to buy a home in, and asking me how long it would be before I returned to check on the mail (I said about two months, but it was more like three). Fortunately, I got a very large box, and they just started saving mail in another box, until I returned.

I've lived here nearly ten years now, and some of the faces have changed, but the attitude and kindness has not.

When I still lived in Southern California, I had a list of unpleasant experiences that you've all made fresh in my brain. I won't repeat any of them, but it does make me grateful all over again for the kindnesses that I see daily, here.

171mstrust
Dec 22, 2015, 11:08am Top

>161 Sylak: I hope you get an extra present from Santa for dealing with that mess.

172kristilabrie
Dec 22, 2015, 11:22am Top

>170 Lyndatrue: I know exactly what you mean! It's so funny that something so small as the local post office can make such an impact on your quality of life at home. I made a joke after my first few months in our new home, that if you plan on moving anywhere, make sure you have a good post office first! It's not too much of a joke after all. :)

173KarenElissa
Dec 22, 2015, 11:30am Top

Well, I just put most of mine in the mail, the rest should be ready tomorrow. Hopefully they will make it at least close to Christmas, well, except the one that went way south, who knows how long that will take. :)

174fancett
Dec 23, 2015, 5:44am Top

I've just received a lovely wordsearch card sent from Greece to France (and kindly written in French as well), but I'm afraid I can't manage to find who to thank (Kostaki? or Anarzaria?). If you read this, do send me a message via my profile, as I'd love to be able to thank you personally (and have a look at your library!)

175Sylak
Dec 23, 2015, 8:48am Top

A big thank you to:

Jessica in Croydon for the cool looking 'book' card.

and,

Judith in Pittsburgh for the sparkling card.

I wasn't able to make out your user names; otherwise I would have thanked you personally.

Enjoy your festivities and have a very happy New Year. :)

176Louve_de_mer
Dec 23, 2015, 12:42pm Top

Today I received nice card and bookmark from Vivir, in Finland. Thank you !

177aviddiva
Dec 23, 2015, 4:51pm Top

First card arrived yesterday. Thank you, Book-Dragon1952 !

178seongeona
Dec 23, 2015, 7:35pm Top

Cards arriving! Got 3 today ...

Thank you Amanda from FL for the cute Snoopy and Woodstock card. Made me smile.

Thank you Varielle for the pretty Peace card. Love the colors!

Thank you Tim for the gorgeous family-adventure card!

179MrsLee
Dec 23, 2015, 8:50pm Top

Two cards so far, lovely and thoughtful ones. I will leave a little note on the profile of my senders to thank them, but no time to do that yet! Ack! Christmas is almost here.

180bnielsen
Dec 24, 2015, 12:08pm Top

Received second card yesterday. Thanks, Louve de mer !

181seongeona
Dec 24, 2015, 11:36pm Top

Two more cards today! Thank you Lawrence for the awesome bookplate card, and thank you Nicole for the sweet and sparkly card. :)

182seongeona
Dec 27, 2015, 4:44pm Top

Another card arrived yesterday from Michelle B. in NY. Cute 3D card from Museum of Modern Art with bright orange foxes hiding amongst the pink and silver pines at the base of a snowy mountain. I'll likely leave this one out all year 'round. :) Thank you!

183varielle
Dec 27, 2015, 6:58pm Top

Indeed! Michelle B. from NYC, that was the best card I received all year and the stamps were pretty cool too!

184mellymel171328
Dec 27, 2015, 7:14pm Top

Awe mine seems the most boring :(

185mellymel171328
Dec 27, 2015, 7:15pm Top

It seems no one has got mine yet.

186aviddiva
Dec 27, 2015, 8:57pm Top

Two lovely cards yesterday from Jeanmarie in Oklahoma City and Martha Jeanne in Vienna. Neither one gave an LT name, so I can't post on your profiles, but thanks to you both!

187MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 28, 2015, 2:36am Top

MarthaJeanne IS my LT name.

That makes at least three that got there. I have high hopes that the mail man will bring me something today.

188Louve_de_mer
Dec 28, 2015, 12:28pm Top

I received a third card today, from Monkey. Thank you !

189varielle
Dec 28, 2015, 12:43pm Top

I might have thanked the wrong Jeanmarie. So thank you!!

190mstrust
Dec 28, 2015, 2:12pm Top

I received a card from Nicole (no LT name). Thanks!

191kristilabrie
Dec 28, 2015, 4:58pm Top

Wow, I opened up a bunch of holiday cards so far for LibraryThing - thanks so much folks! I'll be sure to share them with the rest of the gang when everyone's back from their vacations. We(I)'ll be sending out cards in response, so hope y'all don't mind the late reception. :)

Hope you've been enjoying your holidays, and a very Happy New Year this week!

192booksnesread
Edited: Dec 28, 2015, 6:42pm Top

seongeona - I got your card in the mail today. Mahalo for the tea!

193MarthaJeanne
Dec 29, 2015, 7:41am Top

The mailman brought me three cards today. One I was able to figure out the member name of. Thanks also for the cute 3-D card from Denmark and the lighthouse from Washington.

1942wonderY
Dec 29, 2015, 8:39am Top

I got a homemade card from Suzi W in Pittsburgh, but I can't find your profile. Thanks!

195Louve_de_mer
Dec 29, 2015, 8:50am Top

I received this morning a nice pop-up card from Denmark, but no LT name nor real name. Anyway, thank you !

196karenb
Dec 29, 2015, 3:57pm Top

Thanks to all the LT folks for setting up the Card Exchange this year! I missed it last year entirely, and clearly a lot of people get a kick out of it.

Suggestion for next year: do the card exchange first, then SantaThing? Then when the card signup closes, have a Talk thread for latecomers to request/offer trades via personal message.

Cheers.
KB

197varielle
Dec 29, 2015, 5:14pm Top

Beautiful card today from June Hymas who I cannot find on LT though I know you're out there. Yes, I have haikued a time or two.

198MarthaJeanne
Dec 29, 2015, 5:18pm Top

It might be a good idea next year to add to the directions:

Please print your LT name clearly on the card.

199mellymel171328
Dec 29, 2015, 8:02pm Top

I am still shocked no one has got mine. I sent them out the night the matches happened. :(

200Book-Dragon1952
Dec 29, 2015, 8:08pm Top

>199 mellymel171328: Received your card today, great picture. I love the Harry Potter quote. Thanks for the card.

201tardis
Edited: Dec 29, 2015, 8:11pm Top

>199 mellymel171328: I sent mine out right away, too, but nobody appears to have received any of them yet, either. Also, I haven't received any myself. I rushed to the box when the postie came today, but no joy :(

All of mine went out of country, though, which would have taken longer.

202AnnieMod
Edited: Dec 29, 2015, 8:19pm Top

>201 tardis:

Or simply noone had reported them yet as received :) I got yours -- together with 5 others - when I came back home from a short trip last night :)

203Book-Dragon1952
Dec 29, 2015, 8:19pm Top

I received 2 cards yesterday, Aya.herron thanks for the great Santa with wildlife card. Thanks crazy4reading, loved the snowman. This has been fun, and will participate next year.

204mellymel171328
Dec 29, 2015, 8:50pm Top

>200 Book-Dragon1952: yay im so happy! Sorry I've been so excited for people to get my card. I know it wasn't much but I had fun making it.

>201 tardis: I've only gotten 2 out of 4. I keep pouting when I don't seem to have one in the mail. Haha

205Jenni_Canuck
Dec 29, 2015, 9:00pm Top

I'm out of town until January 4. I can hardly wait to get back home -- hopefully to an overflowing mailbox :D

206kristilabrie
Dec 30, 2015, 10:54am Top

>196 karenb: That's not a bad suggestion! Will have to see what Tim and Loranne think. :)

>198 MarthaJeanne: Didn't some folks mention they wanted to remain anonymous? This is also a good suggestion, I will have to comb over this thread for next year to see how it's all going to look. Thanks!

207timspalding
Dec 30, 2015, 11:46am Top

So, I feel that the card exchange competes with SantaThing, and would especially if both options were up at the same time, people might be drawn to the easier, cheaper option. I think a decline for SantaThing would be a shame. LibraryThing the company doesn't make money on it, but LibraryThing the community is, I think, strengthened by it.

I also think doing cards first would require cards happen very early indeed. I'm not sure everyone has their cards ready that early. We don't, anyway.

208kristilabrie
Dec 30, 2015, 12:34pm Top

Couldn't folks just send cards when they are ready? At least they have the addresses, and they can order as many cards as they need? I also think people are suggesting the sign-ups open and close before SantaThing even starts, so no overlap. It would be early, but it might also give us another place to lead into SantaThing once it gets close to that time.

209Sylak
Dec 30, 2015, 12:35pm Top

>207 timspalding:

I don't feel that the card exchange and SantaThing compete at all. This is only my opinion. But, they appeal to a subtly different mind-set. It's not just a matter of cost. And, even if it were, advertising one before the other would make little difference if you happened to be a little cash strapped anyway.

As for people not having their cards ready.
If the card exchange ran earlier; wouldn't that in itself spur people on? I'd certainly find it less stressful if ran earlier.

You're the boss though; and I'll respect your decision on the matter.
Alternatively, you could always try it out next year. Nothing ventured... - as they say.

210.Monkey.
Dec 30, 2015, 12:59pm Top

>208 kristilabrie: This. There would be no need to send cards the moment you received the addresses, and the point, I'm pretty sure, is that SantaThing is big and hectic and takes up tons of time, whereas the cards is a simple deal. So doing it first means people won't be fretting about cards going out just at the holidays and being "late," and then the big craziness that is SantaThing can get underway and take the time it needs.

211varielle
Dec 30, 2015, 12:59pm Top

I suspect a lot of people are still out of town with their mail piling up. I'm sure the messages about cards will start flying after the new year starts.

212tardis
Edited: Dec 30, 2015, 5:18pm Top

Received first card! Thank you readingfox! The squirrel is charming.

213tardis
Dec 31, 2015, 3:16pm Top

Second card - a lovely one from storeetllr and many thanks for it.

214Laurenkm22
Dec 31, 2015, 4:03pm Top

Thanks for the card SnowBunniesBooks! I laughed at your creative hedgehog's name! I did sign up for SantaThing as well! Happy Holidays!

215aviddiva
Jan 2, 2016, 9:04pm Top

Received an absolutely delightful card from 2wonderY this afternoon!

216seongeona
Jan 3, 2016, 4:05pm Top

Thank you to Lana (and Amelia) for the pretty card from TX! :)

217lorax
Edited: Jan 4, 2016, 9:12am Top

>206 kristilabrie:

I thought that meant real-name anonymous, not LT-name anonymous. It would be weird to get a card that was just "from some unidentified LT member" with a real name attached, IMO, but getting one from a named LT member without a real name or address would be far less strange.

218kristilabrie
Jan 4, 2016, 10:14am Top

Love the stamp design on the card I received this weekend tardis! Thanks so much! :)

>217 lorax: Good point. I think you're right.

219AnnieMod
Jan 4, 2016, 11:08am Top

>217 lorax:

At least one of my cards has only a real name and I have no idea who in LT That is from :)

220MarthaJeanne
Jan 4, 2016, 11:09am Top

221mellymel171328
Jan 4, 2016, 3:24pm Top

I've only heard from two people who got my card. It'd be nice for at least a thank you or acknowledgement they got it.

222MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 4, 2016, 3:40pm Top

Give it time. I have only received three of the five there should be. Wednesday is another holiday, so if they don't come tomorrow it might be Thursday.

223camelama
Jan 4, 2016, 4:12pm Top

Many people probably don't realize that a note here for every card is expected by some people - i certainly didn't! The rules of the exchange did not say "go to the forums and thank everyone by name". I figure my thankyou is getting a card from someone else who signed up.

224mellymel171328
Jan 4, 2016, 5:20pm Top

I thank those who I can but my cards would of reached them by now. I was excited to see if they were liked.

225mellymel171328
Jan 4, 2016, 5:28pm Top

Okay maybe not a thank you. I'd just love a, "got it."

226tardis
Jan 4, 2016, 6:59pm Top

One more card today! Thanks, sylak, for the very beautiful bigger-on-the-inside card :)

227Jenni_Canuck
Jan 4, 2016, 8:41pm Top

After having been away since December 23, I came home today to find my mailbox filled with SantaThing and holiday cards! Yay!!! Fun times ahead opening all these exotically-stamped envelopes :D HappyHappyHappy

228MrsLee
Jan 5, 2016, 9:56am Top

>224 mellymel171328: I believe I received all my cards, and I loved each one of them, but haven't had the time I want to thank each sender. I do procrastinate so, it may be a month or two when I take them down from the shelf they are displayed on before I get around to sending a little note either here or through Snail Mail to the senders.

I went through a box of old stamps I had saved from letters and it made me want to start writing again, but making me want to, and getting me to take up the pen are two different stories.

229mstrust
Jan 5, 2016, 11:23am Top

I want to thank Stephanie (stephivist) for her "Hello There" card. I haven't received the third card I was expecting, and I consider it a done deal by now.

230tardis
Jan 5, 2016, 7:29pm Top

Card received today from Mary in Chicago. No LT name so I can't leave a message on your profile, but it's a very pretty card!

231Louve_de_mer
Jan 6, 2016, 4:06am Top

This morning I received a beautiful 3-D card from Sylak and a nice card from the LT staff. Thank you !

232vivir
Jan 6, 2016, 8:26am Top

I've received six adorable cards during last and this week.
Many thanks, tardis, bnielsen, Louve_de_mer, richilpez, Chrischi_HH and littlegreycloud

233norabelle414
Jan 6, 2016, 10:01am Top

I'm still waiting on one card, but I'm not concerned about it. It'll be a pleasant surprise when it does get here.

234LibraryPerilous
Jan 6, 2016, 2:31pm Top

Thanks, kristilabrie, for the cute card.

Thanks to LT users Michelle B. for the pretty pop art fox card and Consuella J. for the lovely handmade filigreed 'Joy' card.

235mstrust
Jan 11, 2016, 5:44pm Top

A thanks to Angela (no LT name given) for sending a New Year's note and very cute little card included inside!

236MarthaJeanne
Jan 14, 2016, 1:48am Top

Still waiting for two cards. But I know our mail can be very slow.

237MarthaJeanne
Jan 14, 2016, 8:27am Top

Just not patient enough. Another one showed up today.

238mellymel171328
Jan 14, 2016, 11:06am Top

I'm still waiting on one.

239crazy4reading
Jan 14, 2016, 3:45pm Top

>225 mellymel171328: I have been wanting to stop in here and on the pages of all the people that sent me cards but I just haven't had the time. I am hoping to take time this weekend since it is a long weekend for me.

240mellymel171328
Edited: Jan 16, 2016, 12:47am Top

>239 crazy4reading: I'm sorry if I seemed impatient. I understand life can be very distracting.

241MarthaJeanne
Jan 16, 2016, 9:04am Top

I hope all the cards I sent have arrived by now. I'd like to add my greetings to everyone who took part.



This is the card I sent out to the LT card exchange of a lavender plant in ice. Unfortunately this type of lavender is not winterhard, so the replacement plant winters in the greenhouse.

242aviddiva
Jan 16, 2016, 3:12pm Top

I loved that card, MarthaJeanne. Is it your photo?

243MarthaJeanne
Jan 16, 2016, 3:49pm Top

My plant, my husband's photo.

244MrsLee
Jan 16, 2016, 10:57pm Top

>241 MarthaJeanne: Lovely and ephemeral at the same time.

245fancett
Jan 17, 2016, 1:51pm Top

I apologise to whoever sent my second card for not thanking you for it - I'm away from home for several weeks but hope it will be there awaiting me on my return. It will keep the holiday season going until February ...

246Sylak
Jan 23, 2016, 12:29pm Top

I received all but one of my expected seasonal cards.
If I didn't thank you personally, it's because I didn't receive it. ;)

I will definitely sign up again this year though.

Out of the cards I sent out, half my recipients did send me a message to reassure me that my card had arrived safely.
As you know from my previous posts
>155 Sylak:
>161 Sylak:
I had some issues with my local post office; so, I am going to check with folks to make sure they actually arrived.
If not, I shall be visiting the G.P.O. Monday armed with my proof of posing and a completed compensation form. >:)

247MarthaJeanne
Jan 23, 2016, 12:51pm Top

I'm still waiting for one card and only know that three of the five arrived.

248Copperskye
Jan 24, 2016, 8:56pm Top

>241 MarthaJeanne: Lovely!

Two of my cards had no LT name, so....

Thank you to Jeanette in IN for the beautiful train card (as it happens, my grandfather was a conductor on the Erie-Lackawanna).

Also thank you to Jennifer in DC. Love the polar bear and I hope you're managing ok after this weekend's storm!

249varielle
Nov 27, 2016, 11:05am Top

Is there to be an exchange this year?

250lorannen
Nov 27, 2016, 11:08am Top

>249 varielle: Yes! It's coming. We didn't want the card exchange to get consumed by SantaThing, so sign-ups will be launching around Dec 5.

251MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 27, 2016, 4:27pm Top

Well, that's plenty of time for cards inside the US. Count me out.

The Swiss Post says no later than 14.12 for Europe, 7.12 for the rest of the world. Even having the addresses on the 5th would be pushing it. Sign ups ought to be starting now.

252Ennas
Nov 27, 2016, 3:35pm Top

>250 lorannen:
Too late for postcards across the pond. Again. :-( Why??

253mellymel171328
Edited: Nov 27, 2016, 3:43pm Top

>252 Ennas: like she said at >250 lorannen: They are trying to make sure that SantaThing and the card exchange doesn't get lost in the excitement of Santa Thing.

254MarthaJeanne
Nov 27, 2016, 4:26pm Top

The USPS recommends sending international Chrismas mail for some parts of the world by December 1.

255.Monkey.
Nov 27, 2016, 4:56pm Top

SantaThing should have started earlier. This happens every year. *shakes head*

256Book-Dragon1952
Nov 27, 2016, 5:11pm Top

I enjoyed last year's exchange, and looking forward to this year. I don't care when the cards arrive, it just fun to get mail that's not a bill!!

257varielle
Nov 27, 2016, 5:13pm Top

Well said Book-Dragon.

258mellymel171328
Nov 27, 2016, 5:31pm Top

259MarthaJeanne
Nov 28, 2016, 2:52am Top

I don't think it is unreasonable to want a Christmas card exchange on an international site to be set up in such a way that all members can get their cards to their local post office at the time when the post office suggests that cards ought to be sent. At that time special Christmas stamps are available. You aren't in a big rush, so there is a lot more pleasure in the whole thing.

What I learned last year is that I would really enjoy this if I had time to do it right. But I'm not going to add another last minute rush job to the holiday hassles.

260Jenni_Canuck
Nov 28, 2016, 11:51am Top

It doesn't matter to me how early the sign-up begins: December is so incredibly busy that I would never get them done in time for pre-christmas delivery. So, I tend to think of these as "New Year" greetings -- a pleasure completely separate from the christmas season madness. Also, I've already bought my special stamps :-)

261MarthaJeanne
Nov 28, 2016, 12:01pm Top

Can't buy the stamps without knowing where the cards are going. Prices differ according to where they are going to.

262mellymel171328
Nov 28, 2016, 12:24pm Top

>261 MarthaJeanne: if she does only in her country thru could work. Not everyone does the international exchange.

263timspalding
Nov 28, 2016, 1:14pm Top

I understand the concern, but we have to have a plan, and any plan is going have its pluses and minuses. We don't want SantaThing and the cards to overlap, because it confuses the messaging, and reduces interest in SantaThing, which is our main event. We have moved deadlines back and back, but we can't move them back forever without damaging interesting. Many Americans don't like Christmas-y things before Thanksgiving. Others don't really focus on Christmas until the last weeks. So it's a balance.

264Jenni_Canuck
Nov 28, 2016, 1:47pm Top

>261 MarthaJeanne: & >262 mellymel171328: I buy a variety of stamps because I will mail anywhere and everywhere. If I run out of the seasonal stamps and/or don't have sufficient postage for an international address, I can add more stamps in various denominations to make up the difference. And, if I'm left with extra seasonal stamps that I don't use for this Holiday Card Exchange, I'll use them for something else.

265.Monkey.
Nov 28, 2016, 4:57pm Top

>263 timspalding: Yes, decorations up, holiday music on, etc. That's entirely different than the planning of an event that takes several weeks!! Make signups earlier and have the actual book choosing start just after turkey day, then. And signups for the cards could start around the same time as the book choosing, closing a couple days after it's done, so that the cards could actually go into the mail in the first week or so of Dec.

266mellymel171328
Nov 28, 2016, 5:07pm Top

Can we just be happy? Just me running the donation thread as a volunteer is crazy at times. I couldn't imagine what goes on behind the scenes. Life is too stressful and cruel at times. I didn't care when I got the cards it was just a pure joy getting the cards. I even got one from Germany last year and it was amazing. LibraryThing on the whole just wants to make this an amazing time for us and I thank them for all they do.

267AnnieMod
Edited: Nov 28, 2016, 5:07pm Top

>265 .Monkey.:

Before December for international - I would not rely on anything mailed after Dec 1 to make it across any of the ponds before Christmas

(One more vote for actually starting early next year and sending lists as early as Thanksgiving). That way Santathing is on its own after the card exchange is sorted out.

268.Monkey.
Nov 28, 2016, 5:18pm Top

>266 mellymel171328: Why is trying to suggest how things can run while taking into account international folks, always seen as such a negative? How does it remotely take away from the niceness/fun of the event, to say, Hey next time how about such&so is done so that it works for everyone? Why do people always try to gripe as though anyone with other thoughts on it is somehow being some kind of awful critical beast, as opposed to acknowledging that there are people in more places in the world and it would make it fun for all if those factors were taken into account?

>267 AnnieMod: Well for Europe it's generally no more than 2wks for regular mail that doesn't have to stop by customs. But even if it's longer, still, getting it out by the first week instead of only just starting signups then, would at least be an improvement.
Though I agree that since the card thing is really simple, it would be easy to get that sorted out first and then do SantaThing.

269mellymel171328
Edited: Nov 28, 2016, 5:29pm Top

>268 .Monkey.: I never once started a witch hunt or demonized anything. I just felt that >263 timspalding: explained why they are running they way they are very well. Perhaps I'm stressed my health hasn't been the greatest so I'm making a big deal out of nothing. I just feel that for the most part it works great and due to whenever I get the cars be it before Christmas or after I enjoy it.

270AnnieMod
Nov 28, 2016, 5:32pm Top

>268 .Monkey.:
Tell that to my postcards that seem to be arriving in Bulgaria in January if I do not send them before Dec 1, especially the ones not sent to the capital :) And I was getting most of the ones the same way when I was living there. I know that a lot of the delay is probably local over there but still... it is a country :)

Which is why I said "would not rely on" - I had had some arriving in a week as well. But not reliably. Especially around the holidays, the general rules on delivery of the mail do not really apply in my experience

271bluepiano
Nov 28, 2016, 5:56pm Top

Is one expected to send cards to more than one member? and would it be all right to sign on knowing that one mightn't get a card sent off until sometime in January?

272tardis
Nov 28, 2016, 6:13pm Top

>271 bluepiano: You can choose the number of cards you wish to send/receive. One is the minimum :)

I love the card exchange. I'm far too picky about books for SantaThing (although I adore making suggestions for others), but the cards are always a joy. Also, I don't care if they arrive in January. I do my best to get mine sent off in a a timely manner, but as >270 AnnieMod: says, you have no control once you put the cards in the mail box.

273timspalding
Nov 28, 2016, 6:17pm Top

Is there perhaps a way we can improve delivery times, such that people in Bulgaria get people in Romania, not Australia?

274AnnieMod
Nov 28, 2016, 6:48pm Top

>273 timspalding:

I am not sure we have enough local people outside of Western Europe/Asia/USA/Canada to make up good enough groups... It comes down to how busy both post offices are I guess. You can certainly try but the outliner countries will always have issues with receiving on time. And as someone that used to live in Bulgaria - I loved receiving postcards from all over the world - not just from the local countries. Just saying :)

I wonder if it is not possible to become a two-part process - an early "international only" exchange before SantaThing, followed by a local "in-country" or "in region (USA/Canada or inside of Europe will make it on time; USA-> Europe most likely won't)" only exchange after SantaThing (based on post office recommended dates)...

275.Monkey.
Nov 29, 2016, 6:02am Top

I forget, what were the options last year, there was something to choose right? But I think it was maybe just a choice of "international" or not? Which, for those of us not in the US was kind of a not a choice. Perhaps it could be narrowed down a bit by region, or at least continent even? Because as it is, I'm with MJ, I won't be signing up with it being so late, not for global.

276MrsLee
Nov 30, 2016, 9:48am Top

Is everyone dedicated to only Christmas cards? I was just wondering if maybe we should send cards for something like "International Book Day" or some such thing if there is one, to relieve all the stress.

277.Monkey.
Nov 30, 2016, 9:51am Top

Well given the time of year, the intent is for holiday cards (though it would be nice for people to note that not everyone celebrates the same holidays. We're not all christians). I mean I wouldn't object if someone sent a blank card that had books on it and wrote their own "happy holidays" message and whatnot, but...

278mellymel171328
Nov 30, 2016, 9:56am Top

>277 .Monkey.: When I sent cards I try to do that. I am not a Christian myself so I do not like making it about any such holiday. Last year I found one of my favorite Harry Potter quotes and shared that. Heh :)

279.Monkey.
Nov 30, 2016, 10:01am Top

Hah, book quotes in cards, I like that!

280MrsLee
Dec 5, 2016, 9:49am Top

>277 .Monkey.: I'm sorry, I was unclear. What I meant is, would it be unthinkable to do the card exchange at a different time of year, and so remove the overlap with SantaThing. Or would it simply disappear? Or perhaps LT staff wants to get all the hoopla over at once. :)

I suppose people are very entrenched in the "holiday" sending of cards and all, so perhaps the interest would fall off if it wasn't during the holidays.

281lorannen
Dec 5, 2016, 11:57am Top

>280 MrsLee: I think the latter is the most likely scenario. We're certainly not opposed to doing card exchanges at different times of year. Personally, Halloween is my favorite holiday, and that's usually when I send cards around to my family and friends, because I'm not already crazy busy with other festivities. I keep meaning to get into the habit of sending winter holiday cards, but it never happens.

282Chrischi_HH
Dec 5, 2016, 3:31pm Top

I really enjoyed the card exchange last year, but just as Monkey, I won't participate again with it being so late. After the first week in January everything Christmassy disappears in Germany, so there's no point in getting card after 6 January. It's always nice to get a card, of course, but it would be put aside immediately.

283JerryMmm
Dec 5, 2016, 4:50pm Top

With many people sending cards around the holidays, they all get put on display one way or the other. That's the idea at least. If they arrive much later they tend to disappear.

284ILuvBookplates
Dec 5, 2016, 11:21pm Top

I'll throw in my two cents. While receiving cards in the run up to Christmas adds to the fun and excitement of the holidays, receiving a card afterwards when the post-holiday blahs set in can be a nice pick-me-up. Last year I sent one New Years card when I knew the card would not arrive before Christmas and on an iffy one I added a New Year greeting to the Christmas card. If you are a humorous sort you could always send a leftover Valentine or Easter card and write Merry Christmas on it and make a joke about slow international mail. I agree it should be started much earlier, but it won't be this year and anyone who participates will just have make do. Maybe next year it will be more workable for everyone.

285MarthaJeanne
Dec 6, 2016, 3:08am Top

You can see above that I was still waiting for cards and confirmations that cards were received in mid-January. (>236 MarthaJeanne:, >241 MarthaJeanne:) One year was fine. But advancing the date only a few days just isn't enough. Tim doesn't want to do this early enough for it to work. OK, that's his prerogative. Mine is not to take part again under those conditions.

286Heather19
Dec 6, 2016, 12:42pm Top

Oh yay, it's still open! I missed the window for SantaThing. This will be fun! (And I don't care if I get cards late, it's always fun to get mail!)

287mellymel171328
Dec 6, 2016, 1:20pm Top

I just went out and bought my cards today. :)

288nrmay
Dec 6, 2016, 1:31pm Top

So when do we start?
Am I signed up if I update my info from last year?

289mellymel171328
Dec 6, 2016, 1:59pm Top

>288 nrmay: I am sure it will be announced in new thread and a new sign up with be made.

290AnnieMod
Dec 6, 2016, 2:48pm Top

And the new sign up is now open: http://www.librarything.com/topic/242747 (in case you are not following the new threads ) :)

291seongeona
Dec 7, 2016, 6:06pm Top

Thanks for doing this again this year! I was just looking thru the cards I received the past 2 years the other day and hoping it would be offered again. :)

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