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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #76

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1jasbro
Mar 15, 11:37pm Top

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ


-- Ask about sets of Works or Series pages, ask for opinions, or ask for help with specific languages, subjects, etc.; but please be brief.
-- Please do not give Search pages, Author pages, or groups of “possibles,” unless you have a specific question.
-- “Someone will be with you shortly.” Most requests are handled by our fellow LibraryThing Members, not by staff.
-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602 .
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
-- When this thread reaches 200 posts, please do not post here but start a new Thread. Threads under 200 posts load faster and are easier to navigate. Please copy these notes as post #1 of the new thread. Thank you.

2jasbro
Edited: Mar 15, 11:42pm Top

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3jasbro
Mar 15, 11:42pm Top

Please recall SaintSunniva's request at http://www.librarything.com/topic/239156#5975221, and consider whether you have insight to offer. Thank you!

4SaintSunniva
Mar 15, 11:49pm Top

The author of my four-volume set is Anna Catharina Emmerick. But that name is only listed on her author page in combinations with her editor and journaler. Could someone make it be listed by itself, thank you.

My book, with her name as sole author https://www.librarything.com/work/3755635/book/139813462

Her author page https://www.librarything.com/author/emmerichannecatherin which has 23 variations of her name, but should have one more, per above.

5jasbro
Mar 16, 10:20pm Top

>4 SaintSunniva: Please check it again, and let us know if it's better, worse, or about the same ... Thanks!

7MarthaJeanne
Mar 19, 8:07am Top

>6 bonne1978: Seems to have been done.

8SaintSunniva
Mar 19, 9:33pm Top

re https://www.librarything.com/author/emmerichannecatherin

>5 jasbro: The author name is now included in the list as it should be. Thank you!

>3 jasbro: Her author page is quite a bit better! Thank you!

10MarthaJeanne
Mar 23, 11:59am Top

12Jarandel
Mar 25, 1:09pm Top

13Birlinn
Mar 26, 1:16pm Top

Please separate the authors "Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments and Constructions of Scotland" (RCAHMS) and "Royal Commission on the Future of the Toronto Waterfront."

https://www.librarything.com/author/royalcommissiononthe-15
https://www.librarything.com/author/royalcommissiononthe

It appears as though many different independent Royal Commissions were combined into a single one at some point!

Many thanks!

14MarthaJeanne
Edited: Mar 26, 2:19pm Top

>13 Birlinn: The computer can only differentiate a certain number of characters. 'Royal commission on the' is already too long. They can only be divided, not really separated.

Someone had combined the separate page in, so that the aliasing to 'Scotland, Royal Commission of Ancient and Historical Monuments of' was being sent back to the disambiguation page. I've got it sorted now, I think. It was also confusing that there were two splits for the same Commission.

15jjwilson61
Mar 26, 10:36pm Top

It's a misfeature of LT that names that are the same up to some number of characters cannot be separated, they can only be divided in the same way that two authors with the exact same name can be divided.

17Collectorator
Mar 27, 12:11am Top

>16 SaintSunniva: use the workbench

18MarthaJeanne
Mar 27, 2:59am Top

>16 SaintSunniva: Done, and I found more as well.

19SaintSunniva
Mar 27, 8:31pm Top

20raidergirl3
Mar 30, 9:30pm Top

I just added some audiobooks from YA Sync, a free summer audio book program and one needs combining, please.

The Gathering (Shadow House Book 1)
http://www.librarything.com/work/17989405
http://www.librarything.com/work/19358600

thanks to your (the groups) guidance last year, I've learned how to combine some of them but can't seem to figure out this one.
(I used to delete the book if the one I added was the only one, and then I'd pick a different edition to Add. I've learned!)

21Taphophile13
Mar 30, 9:32pm Top

22AnnieMod
Mar 30, 9:36pm Top

>20 raidergirl3:

For future references - there is a new way that makes these very easy. Look at the bottom right menu on a book page. There is a link to add to the workbench (and another to open the workbench). You can add any books to the workbench and then it will allow you to see them on the same page so they can be combined :)

23raidergirl3
Mar 30, 9:40pm Top

>22 AnnieMod: thank you. Last year I learned about editions, maybe I'll learn how to use workbench this year. Not being able to combine that set in 20, I think I understand how the workbench will work.

24AnnieMod
Mar 30, 9:43pm Top

>23 raidergirl3:

It is self-explanatory when you see it :) Try to add ANY two books to the bench - and see how it looks - just do not press "combine" at the end - you can then remove them from the bench easily. And adding them there do not change the books - it is like a sandbox that belongs only to you and allows to bring books on the same page so they can be combined without having to find editions page or an author page :)

25mene
Mar 31, 2:23am Top

In the "Sword Art Online Progressive" series, both the manga and the novel have the same title...
Manga: http://www.librarything.com/work/15860318/book/137329569
Novel: http://www.librarything.com/work/15860318/summary/140217313
They're not the same :)

26SimoneA
Mar 31, 3:58am Top

>25 mene: I have separated the one wrong edition I could identify from the novel and combined it into the manga. I also added a canonical title to the manga to make the distinction clear. Please check if it's better like this.

28MarthaJeanne
Apr 3, 5:55pm Top

29leselotte
Apr 4, 6:22am Top

https://www.librarything.com/author/gatestom

Includes Thomas Gates and Tom Gates. Thomas Gates should be separated, and some works should be aliased, but I can't look this up right now. Anyone with more insight?

Thanks!

30MarthaJeanne
Edited: Apr 4, 7:20am Top

>29 leselotte: https://www.librarything.com/author/gatesthomas-1
https://www.librarything.com/author/gatesdrthomas
https://www.librarything.com/author/gatestom-1

are probably the same person, but I can't verify that. Any Quaker combiners who know how how to check this? He seems to use Tom on at least some publications, and LoC says Tom(1) is Thomas J.

I'm not going further with this.

31leselotte
Apr 4, 7:30am Top

>30 MarthaJeanne: Thanks very much! I think it looks good! I did pick up on the fact that the Quaker one uses both Thomas and Tom, but since I stumbled upon this page doing some combining with Liz Pichon's Tom Gates series, I was pretty sure it couldn't stay that way ...

32MarthaJeanne
Apr 7, 12:21pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/author/1729628519

There are almost certainly combinations to be done here, but it will take someone who reads Arabic. I found some original titles in WorldCat, but just too hard for me to deal with

34MarthaJeanne
Apr 8, 6:16am Top

35Ameise1
Apr 8, 11:48am Top

>34 MarthaJeanne: Thanks so much.

36Herenya
Edited: Apr 17, 2:21am Top

I separated out my abridged and illustrated copy of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardobe from the unabridged work, but the unabridged work includes lots of copies with the abridged work's ISBN (000675368X). Should those be separated out too?

Abridged and illustrated (by Christian Birmingham): https://www.librarything.com/work/19425161/summary/140621980

Unabridged: https://www.librarything.com/work/1182675/work/36078179

37MarthaJeanne
Apr 16, 10:45am Top

I would say yes. According to the description, 0001857010 is also an abridgement.

38jasbro
Apr 16, 5:40pm Top

>36 Herenya:, >37 MarthaJeanne: I agree, abridgments get separated out, and ISBN is a good way to do that. One exception, I think, is where it's apparent (somehow from context or other information) that the "abridged edition" ISBN is ratty data for a record of the unabridged edition - e.g., the Member's title also says "unabridged." Then I wouldn't separate the record for an apparently unabridged volume to combine it with abridged editions, and yes that leaves the rest of LibraryThings with a quantity of ratty data on records we wish were otherwise accurate. Then again, I'm painfully aware that not all my ISBNs are correct for the books on our shelves ...

39Herenya
Apr 17, 2:35am Top

Okay, thanks! I've separated out the abridged ISBNs and then combined them.

>38 jasbro:: Not all of my books have accurate data, either. I suspect some of these people meant to add the unabridged book, but it's hard to tell for sure...

40Maddz
Apr 17, 4:59am Top

I would imagine it's probably to do with people adding books and being presented with a list of possibilities several hundred long and using the first likely match and not subsequently editing your record. It's a problem with older editions, especially ones that pre-date ISBNs, and I know I have that problem in my library from when I first started cataloguing. (At some point I must revisit my early records and clean them up...)

If there was an easy way to be able to pin-point specific editions from the add book list without adding a massive list of parameters to the search box, then hopefully that would help.

41.mau.
Apr 18, 10:59am Top

I would like to combine The magic of numbers and motion : the scientific career of René Descartes with a reissue of its Italian translation Cartesio. La magia dei numeri e del moto. René Descartes e la scienza del Seicento, but I cannot see how to do it.

http://www.librarything.com/work/2533397/editions gives the original version and the first Italian translation, but no Potential work combinations is shown. Where is the catch?

42MarthaJeanne
Edited: Apr 18, 11:30am Top

On the lower right, click on 'add work to workbench'. Once you have done this for both works, it is easy.

You could also do it from the author page.

43.mau.
Apr 19, 4:56am Top

42 > MarthaJeanne

Thanks!

44feldamundo
Edited: Apr 19, 9:34pm Top

EDIT: All done! Thanks!

New one: all of the Dan Gutman "My Weird School Special" books have been combined into one work: https://www.librarything.com/work/14101567/editions
I started to separate them and am hoping someone can assist.
There are multiple books in this series, each tied to a specific holiday, and not to be confused with the author's "My Weird School" or "My Weirder School" series.
Thanks.

46stortemelk
Apr 21, 4:16pm Top

47SaintSunniva
Edited: Apr 22, 4:00pm Top

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48shmjay
Apr 22, 9:02pm Top

I split out the various people named Derek Thompson, but some data got linked to the wrong person.

http://www.librarything.com/author/thompsonderek

The notice of the Derek Thompson (d0r0k) who is a library thing author belongs to 5

http://www.librarything.com/author/thompsonderek-5

The picture in 1

http://www.librarything.com/author/thompsonderek-1

also belongs to 5

I have no idea how to change those.

49amanda4242
Apr 22, 9:14pm Top

>48 shmjay: I've fixed the picture. To set a picture to the correct division, just click on the picture and click on the division number you want the picture to go to.

50MarthaJeanne
Apr 22, 11:44pm Top

>48 shmjay: You have to ask staff to fix the LT author connection. Probably Lorannen.

51prosfilaes
Apr 23, 9:43pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/work/2464022/summary The Norton Anthology of American Literature is a work published in one volume, two volume, and five volume versions, with the five volume versions having much more content than the one volume version. All this has gone through many, many editions and I believe occasionally university-specific editions. Various individual volumes have been combined into the one work, and need separating out. What stopped me in my tracks is that someone else has done this, to some extent, and also separated out various editions, which in theory I don't disagree with, but in practice makes this a work I don't want to touch with a ten foot pole.

(In 2012, dltucker added The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Seventh Edition (1) to this work, so apparently stuff was better split out then.)

52PeterDamianBellis
Apr 25, 10:15pm Top

LT staff has combined two authors, Javier Zabala (http://www.librarything.com/author/zabalajavier) and Javier Pedro Zabala. But these two authors are two separate individuals. Javier Zabala, who is still alive, is an award-winning illustrator living in Spain and the author most recently of Madrid for Children. Javier Pedro Zabala is a Cuban writer who died in 2002 and who is the author of The Mad Patagonian. When I click on Javier Pedro Zabala's link I can no longer copy the link (it is in grayscale). The link originally read: http://www.librarything.com/author/zabalajavierpedro and now reads: http://www.librarything.com/author/zabalajavierpedro&norefer=2

Here is the link to Javier Pedro Zabala's book The Mad Patagonian:http://www.librarything.com/work/19405243

I am Peter Damian Bellis and I am the publisher of River Boat Books. We are publishing The Mad Patagonian by Javier Pedro Zabala; the official release date is August 24, 2017. I entered The Mad Patagonian in our River Boat Books page on Library Thing.

Please can you separate these two Zabala's. They each deserve their own author's page.

53Collectorator
Apr 25, 11:25pm Top

>52 PeterDamianBellis: I already separated those.

54jjwilson61
Apr 26, 11:32am Top

>52 PeterDamianBellis: LT staff has combined two authors

Combining on LT is a collaborative activity and can be done by anyone not just staff.

55leselotte
Apr 26, 12:19pm Top

Please, someone have a look at
https://www.librarything.com/author/bartokmira/names

It includes these entries:
https://www.librarything.com/work/14395963
https://www.librarything.com/work/16869083
https://www.librarything.com/work/18510332

which should be listed with Bartok and Béla Bartok, respectively. Do you think someone manually changed the author? Recalculating didn't seem to help, and I didn't want to change anything else in case it's a bug.

56MarthaJeanne
Apr 26, 12:28pm Top

I took off the canonical name and separated out the author page that had the wrong works in it. Now at https://www.librarything.com/author/bartok where it can be divided and aliased as needed, but I'm out of time.

57omargosh
Apr 26, 12:43pm Top

I finished up with the splitting and aliasing.

58supersidvicious
Edited: May 1, 2:47am Top

59AnnieMod
Apr 26, 3:14pm Top

>58 supersidvicious:

You know about the new workbench, right? So you do not need to add them to the series and ask here to be combined but can combine them easily through it?

60jasbro
Edited: Apr 27, 5:28am Top

>51 prosfilaes: The same holds for The Norton Anthology of English Literature, which *some* of us have begun sorting ... but, yeah, it's a Herculean task, if not Sisyphean ...

61leselotte
Apr 27, 9:10am Top

>56 MarthaJeanne: >57 omargosh: Ah, I missed the canonical name! Thanks to both of you!

62supersidvicious
May 1, 2:48am Top

>59 AnnieMod: errr, no. Great feature, thanks!

63Schmerguls
May 1, 11:32am Top

This site is read by lots of smart people so I wonder if anyone can answer this question of mine: I would like to determine how many of the over 5000 books I have listed on LibraryThing (everyone of which I have read in full) are listed only by me. I know I could peruse my whole list to see which ones are only listed by me, but that would take a long time and I am wondering if there is an easier way to see how many of the books I list are not listed by any other person.

64Taphophile13
Edited: May 1, 11:36am Top

>63 Schmerguls: On your Home page, click Stats/Memes and then click Vous et nul autre in the left hand column. You can find books only you have, books you share with just one other member or just a few others.

65MarthaJeanne
May 1, 12:23pm Top

>63 Schmerguls: You can also sort by Total members.

Of course both of these methods include any books that others have entered but the books haven't been combined, so your actual total may be less than it appears.

66Schmerguls
Edited: May 1, 12:55pm Top

Thank you so much, Taphophile and MarthaJeanne. This is just what I was hoping for--and I am so glad I did not try a more time-consuming way to find books unique to me or nearly so. There are about 150 books which only I list, and about 115 which only I and one other list. Many of the unique to me books do not surprise me but some do. For instance:

3668. But Look, the Morn The Story of a Childhood, by MacKinlay Kantor (read 24 Dec 2002)

I would not have thought I was the only person to list it since it is not too old (hey, 1947--that's not so long ago) and the author is not obscure

67bluepiano
May 3, 6:24pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/author/hendersonmark

These books were written, surely, by at least 3 authors & probably more--?

68AnnieMod
May 3, 7:02pm Top

>62 supersidvicious: You are welcome and have fun :) If something is still giving you a hard time, feel free to drop by again of course but the normal ones (cross-author or authorless for example) should be pretty straightforward :)

69MarthaJeanne
May 3, 7:39pm Top

>67 bluepiano: I suspect that the final two are also different, but not as sure as of the ones I sorted.

71MarthaJeanne
May 5, 11:35am Top

72Ameise1
May 5, 12:08pm Top

Thanks so much. :-)

74MarthaJeanne
May 6, 11:38am Top

>73 LolaWalser: Done. But have a look at the recent workbench feature. It makes these very easy.

75LolaWalser
May 6, 11:42am Top

>74 MarthaJeanne:

Oh, thanks. Where is that?

76MarthaJeanne
May 6, 11:52am Top

Lower right with recalculate cover, recalculate title/author.

77LolaWalser
May 6, 12:03pm Top

Thanks.

78MarthaJeanne
May 11, 1:21pm Top

https://www.librarything.com/author/hohlbeinwolfgang needs a lot of work. I got there by accident, and did a bit, but ability to read German is not really enough. You also need to know the works involved. There seem to be a lot of books republished in collections that are not correctly combined.

79europhile
May 12, 12:12am Top

>78 MarthaJeanne: I've done some work on this, including updating series information. I've probably missed a few combinations in languages other than German though.

81Jarandel
May 13, 12:18pm Top

82Ameise1
May 13, 12:45pm Top

>81 Jarandel: Thanks so much :-)

83MarthaJeanne
Edited: May 19, 5:11pm Top

https://www.librarything.com/work/17765653/details/130106438

Doesn't need combining, needs correction to Amazon data, but the current form doesn't work on my iPad. Author is Henss. Amazon.com shows no author, .de (Germany) shows Henns.

In the meantime, I'm combining the author pages.

ETA, It worked on Amazon.co.uk.

85Taphophile13
May 28, 9:40pm Top

>84 sparemethecensor: I combined two of them; one seems to have found its own way in.

87Schmerguls
Edited: Jun 3, 9:21pm Top

I have a book which should be on this page but isn't:

http://www.librarything.com/author/trefoussehanslouis#organize

My book is at:

http://www.librarything.com/work/2348855/edit/11155999

How can I get my book to be with the other copies thereof? I have never had this happen to me before and do not know why I can't find it with the other copies and can't find my book on the author's page so i could comine it. Will appreciate the help I always find in this group

88PhaedraB
Jun 4, 12:37am Top

>87 Schmerguls: Your copy is already combined with 15 other copies; the work with 16 copies is fourth from the top on the author page. Either someone else already fixed it, or it just took a little time for the database to catch up.

89Schmerguls
Jun 4, 12:04pm Top

Thanks, Phaedra. So it is. I don't know why it wasn't when I looked there. I read the book many moons ago and posted it years ago. Sorry to have taken your time

90Daisy_zn
Jun 6, 7:08am Top

I think these are the same book. Can someone combine them? I can't do it, because more than 200 books are involved:
http://www.librarything.nl/work/72157
http://www.librarything.nl/work/19390141

91r.orrison
Jun 6, 9:01am Top

92MarthaJeanne
Jun 10, 11:54am Top

Does anyone know how to tell whether the two books here are basically the same or whether the 'young reader's edition' is abridged?

https://www.librarything.com/author/brierleysaroo

(Note that there are variant titles for the adult version.)

93jjwilson61
Edited: Jun 10, 1:03pm Top

According to WorldCat, this is the what is different in the young reader's edition:

This edition features new material from Saroo about his childhood, including a new foreword and a Q&A about his experiences and the process of making the film.

So it doesn't look like it's abridged but has additional material. Whether that's enough to make it a different work, I'll let you decide.

94Schmerguls
Edited: Jun 12, 10:25am Top

This is the page for Kim Eisler:

http://www.librarything.com/author/eislerkimisaac

But this book by him is not on the page:

http://www.librarything.com/work/9891056

Can anyone tell me why it isn't or put it where it should be?

95MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 12, 10:30am Top

It's on this page http://www.librarything.com/author/eislerkim because everyone who entered it used Kim Eisler as the name of the author.

Everyone who entered the books on the other author page used Kim Isaac Eisler.

96Schmerguls
Jun 12, 11:10am Top

Thanks, MarthaJeanne. But this presents another problem. Since Kim Eisler and Kim Isaac Eisler are one and the same person, shouldn't the pages be combined or cross-indexed or something? If you look at the Kim Eisler page in Amazon it is clear that Kim Eilser and Kim Isaac Eisler is the same person, isn't it?

97MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 12, 11:22am Top

If there were books by several Kim Eislers on that page, it would be a case for dividing and aliasing.

In this case, neither LT nor LoC knows of any other author using that name. However Facebook and LinkedIn have a few people with that name. So there is at least the potential for future issues if the two are combined.

98Schmerguls
Jun 12, 11:50am Top

You are no doubt right but the subject matter of the books I submit make it highly likely that Kim Eisler and Kim Isaac Eisler are one and the same person. Should one ask him? or his publisher?

99MarthaJeanne
Jun 12, 12:28pm Top

The author of these books is certainly the same person. The problem comes when another Kim Eisler comes complaining that her new book "Mama Pig and the Three Dancing Piglets" is showing up on an author page that is someone else and not her.

100jjwilson61
Jun 12, 12:57pm Top

But surely this is a pretty typical case which has an accepted solution? I'm not sure what the hold-up is here. Either combine them or tell Schmerguls how to do it.

101jasbro
Jun 12, 1:59pm Top

>94 Schmerguls:, >95 MarthaJeanne:, >100 jjwilson61: I have "split" Kim Eisler into (one) Author, then aliased that Author into Kim Isaac Eisler. Schmerguls' Work now appears under the requested Author page, while preserving MarthaJeanne's potential to distinguish other "Kim Eislers" from this one. Does that serve our purpose? Thanks.

102r.orrison
Jun 12, 2:51pm Top

Why not just combine them? Is there any evidence that there is another author named Kim Eisler cataloged on LibraryThing? The fact that there are people with that name on Facebook and LinkedIn seems totally irrelevant to me.

103jasbro
Jun 12, 6:32pm Top

>102 r.orrison:, I'm OK with that, r.orrison, since it should still be possible to distinguish "Kim Eislers" whenever time a second one appears on LT later on. OTOH, MarthaJeanne got me wondering whether there's another way to accomplish the combination but anticipate possible Author disambiguations to come and, if so, which we would preferred. I certainly don't think we'd offend by combining "Kim Eisler" with "Kim Isaac Eisler" under present circumstances. I'd welcome other thoughts; thanks!

104henkle
Jun 17, 8:25am Top

https://www.librarything.com/author/smithj

I just added a Disambiguation notice to the above page. I don't know how to combine Julia Smith's one book on this page, listed under "unknown", with her other two books at - https://www.librarything.com/author/smithjulia-1

I just noticed that the book, "Directory of American Women Composers 1 copy", was moved to "Julia Smith (unknown)". It still needs to be combined with "Julia Smith (1)".

I tried combining the three works so they would be listed separately under "Julia Smith (1)" but it did not work as I expected. Now only one title is listed.

Aaron Copland, his work and contribution to American music 2 copies
Master pianist; the career and teaching of Carl Friedberg 2 copies
Directory of American Women Composers 1 copy

These three titles need to be un-combined, but I don't know how to fix my mistake. Sorry.

https://www.librarything.com/catalog/henkle - Doug Henkle

105jjwilson61
Jun 17, 9:37am Top

To move books between divisions on the disambiguation page click on the "edit the division" button in the Improve this Author box.

106MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 17, 9:43am Top

>104 henkle: I separated Master pianist from Directory and aliased Julia Smith (1) to Julia Frances Smith.

I have no idea what happened to Copland. OK. Found. divided to Julia Smith (1).

107henkle
Jun 17, 4:11pm Top

https://www.librarything.com/author/smithjulia-1
https://www.librarything.com/author/smithjuliafrances

Shouldn't the above two pages be merged into one? One has her photo and the other doesn't, and one has "Awards and honors" and "Short biography" links and the other doesn't. Wouldn't a merge combine the best of both?

How can her missing third work, "Aaron Copland, his work and contribution to American music 2 copies" be added back? Neither page above has it.

108MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 17, 4:25pm Top

Well, it was there earlier. Aaron Copland, his work. OK I've found it again, and divided it again. But I swear I did not see it a minute ago on the disambiguation page. Same thing earlier. Does anyone understand why it is playing hide and seek? http://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=smithjulia&page=assign

No you can't combine those two pages. Combinations can only be done to the base page, not to the divisions. The one is aliased to the other. You can copy all of that to the other page if you like.

109kleh
Jun 20, 1:35am Top

I am trying to alias National Trust (1) to nationaltrustengland.
When I type nationaltrustengland in the 'Aliased to author code' box, what actually gets entered and displayed is zzzmandelernest.
History shows that I entered zzzmandelernest, but that isn't what I typed!

How can I prevent zzzmandelernest automatically overwriting nationaltrustengland?

Looking further back in the history, it looks as if user abbottthomas created a similar alias to the one I am attempting, using author code britainnationaltrust. That alias no longer seems to exist.

110MarthaJeanne
Jun 20, 2:05am Top

National trust

What is the author page you want to alias to? Search does not find an author named National Trust England.

I found this : https://www.librarything.com/author/britainnationaltrust, copied the final bit of it, and it worked fine. To alias you need an existing author page.

111kleh
Jun 20, 9:52am Top

There was an existing author page. I had created author 'National Trust England Wales and Northern Ireland'with code nationaltrustengland at URL https://www.librarything.com/author/nationaltrustengland, using book test kleh. I can link to it from test kleh. But for some reason it says it had no works catalogued.
So it looks as though the problem is with my book/authour combination, rather with the aliasing.

112r.orrison
Jun 20, 10:04am Top

Your test book is now appearing on the author page - sometimes when you edit a book the author updates on your copy, but not on the work or the author page you'd expect. On the work page, at the bottom of the right column in the Advanced box, there's a link to "Recalculate title/author". That fixed it.

113kleh
Jun 20, 1:58pm Top

114amanda4242
Jun 23, 2:53pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/work/546365/editions/60933686

I'm not sure about this one, but judging by the disambiguation notices it looks like someone combined D.E. Stevenson's Mrs. Tim of the Regiment, single book, with Mrs. Tim of the Regiment, omnibus of Mrs. Tim and Golden Days.

115MarthaJeanne
Jun 23, 3:02pm Top

>114 amanda4242: It also has both listed in series. To try to sort it out you would have to check the ISBNs.

116jasbro
Edited: Jun 24, 8:56am Top

>114 amanda4242:, >115 MarthaJeanne: Regrettably, WorldCat doesn't offer much guidance on the specific contents of several editions that are identifiable by ISBN. Given initial publication in the early 1930s, many of the particular records on LibraryThing won't even have an ISBN associated. That being the case, I'm inclined to straighten out, clarify, or disambiguate anything we can (using titles, ISBNs, maybe media where that's apparent from the record), but give deference to LT's natural realignments. We maybe can't get it all - or even mostly - straight, but what's there is clearly wrong. We might at least begin remedying it as best we can. Shall we go for it?

117amanda4242
Jun 24, 1:28pm Top

>115 MarthaJeanne:, >116 jasbro: Most of the ISBNs belong to either the 1973 omnibus edition, titled Mrs. Tim Christie, from Holt, Rinehart and Winston or the more recent Bloomsbury edition, Mrs. Tim of the Regiment, which is also an omnibus; I can't find enough information on the other editions with ISBNs to determine which version they are.

I'm willing to separate what I can if there aren't any objections.

118amanda4242
Jun 24, 4:32pm Top

I've separated everything I'm sure is an omnibus into Mrs. Tim of the Regiment {Omnibus} and left everything else in Mrs. Tim of the Regiment.

119jasbro
Jun 25, 1:20pm Top

>118 amanda4242: Perfect! Thank you.

121europhile
Jun 26, 5:24pm Top

>120 Cecrow: Done, along with a few others by the same author.

122Schmerguls
Edited: Jun 28, 10:21pm Top

The cover for a book I just posted in my site has a cover at Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Exhange-Story-Sister-Joyce/dp/1495126684/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498702636&sr=1-1&keywords=9781495126680

but I don't know how to put that cover on the book I posted:

http://www.librarything.com/work/19780523/book/142959562

Can some smart person put the cover on my post?..Thank you

123PhaedraB
Jun 28, 10:54pm Top

>122 Schmerguls: I'm afraid in this case only you can attach a cover to your book.

That's a user-uploaded cover on Amazon, so LT can't snag it automatically. You have two choices to do it yourself. You can download that image to your computer and then upload it on the "Change cover" page, or you can right-click on the image, choose "Copy image location" and paste that URL into the "Grab from web" box on the Change cover page.

124Schmerguls
Jun 29, 10:02am Top

Thanks, Phaedra. I tired to put this in :

https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Exhange-Story-Sister-Joyce/dp/1495126684/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498744695&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Tim+sullivan%2C+Patricia+Graeve+Michels

and was told "We are unable to process that as an image." Obviously, I did something wrong but don't know what.

125Lyndatrue
Jun 29, 10:07am Top

>124 Schmerguls: That URL doesn't point to an image. Here you go:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61019vLquHL._SX353_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Just put that in the URL uploader, and it'll be fine.

126Schmerguls
Jun 29, 10:22am Top

Thanks, Lynda. I put it in and got the same answer: "We are unable to process that as an image"

I know I did something wrong but don't know what.

127jasbro
Jun 29, 11:11am Top

>122 Schmerguls: Being mindful of permitted and fair uses of potentially copyrighted images, another approach might be: on a Windows desktop or laptop, go to a web page that has the cover image you would use; right-click that image and "save image as" (note the location where you save it); go to your LibraryThing record for the Work, and click "Change cover" on the left margin; click "Browse," go to the image that you saved, and then click "Open" and "Upload." Ta-da!

I've managed to use the same process on a smart phone (iPhone) with some of my own scans, but it's less convenient. I expect there's a similar process on an iPad or Mac computer. I'm interested to know whether it works for you.

128r.orrison
Edited: Jun 29, 11:42am Top

When copying an Amazon image URL into the "grab one from the web" box, you often get a better image if you delete everything from the first dot after the last slash to the last dot. I.e. delete the bold bits from
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61019vLquHL._SX353_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
to get
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61019vLquHL.jpg

(Although in this instance it doesn't look any different. Sometimes it'll get you a bigger, clearer image, without a white border and "see inside" cruft.)

Here's one that gets a little bit bigger and quite a bit clearer when you edit the URL:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-kMffS6oL._AC_UL480_SR309,480_.jpg
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-kMffS6oL.jpg

Here's one with a border that you can get rid of:
https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51thvCdEG+L._AC_US327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg
https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51thvCdEG+L.jpg

Then make sure you click the Grab button not the Choose File or Upload buttons. Getting the "We are unable to process that as an image" message is a known but apparently not fixable bug.

129Schmerguls
Jun 29, 1:14pm Top

All right, the url you give shows the cover. But I do not know how to get that cover onto the page of the Work. I don't see a "Grab button'

Obviously I am an idiot.

130MarthaJeanne
Jun 29, 1:26pm Top

I have added that book to my catalogue (manual entry to get a clean author), grabbed the image, and combined our copies.
http://www.librarything.com/work/19780523/book/142982729

Please edit your cover and then I can delete my copy again.

131PhaedraB
Jun 29, 1:26pm Top

>129 Schmerguls: There isn't a Grab button. However, right next to the Upload buttons, there is a form field labeled "Or grab one from the web"

You paste the URL of the image (just the image, not the whole page) into that box. You get the URL of the image only by right clicking on the image and choosing Copy Image Location. (You can check that you captured the URL correctly by pasting it into the address bar. The resulting page should show that image and nothing else.)

Please note that the form field has http:// already filled in. So if you paste in a complete URL, double check that the box didn't pick it up as http://http:// before you click the "grab" button, as that would not be a valid URL. Better to blank the box before you paste.

132r.orrison
Edited: Jun 29, 3:45pm Top

>129 Schmerguls: But I do not know how to get that cover onto the page of the Work.

From your catalog, click on the cover image and two options should appear, click on "Change cover"; or from the book or work page, click on "Change cover" in the left column. That takes you to a page with, among other things, these controls:



Paste the URL of the image (which should end with ".jpg") into the box below "Or grab one from the web", making sure that http:// isn't duplicated at the beginning. Once it's pasted in there you can use the arrow keys and backspace or delete to edit out the bits I described in >128 r.orrison:. Then click the Grab button.

>131 PhaedraB: There isn't a Grab button. However, right next to the Upload buttons, there is a form field labeled "Or grab one from the web"
And right next to the field labelled "Or grab one from the web" there's a button labelled "Grab"

133Schmerguls
Jun 29, 3:51pm Top

Thanks, MarthaJeanne. I have selected the cover you posted and put it on my copy of the book. Thank you very much. Now you can delete the book from your site and that will leave me with the only copy of the book. And my page has te correct cover now!

I am sorry to have taken so much time with this but the solution you gave is one within my capacity to use.

134jasbro
Jun 29, 4:04pm Top

>129 Schmerguls:, >130 MarthaJeanne:, >131 PhaedraB:, >132 r.orrison: You folks are good! I've learned all kinds of new things about cover images today ...

135bluepiano
Jul 5, 4:20am Top

http://www.librarything.com/work/101109/32285933

I'm shown as owning this book. What I own is instead and what shows when I click 'edit' is http://www.librarything.com/work/101109, though Christopher Brickell is general editor of both. I've not enough caffeine in me yet to correct this so I wonder if someone else could. Cheers.

136r.orrison
Edited: Jul 5, 5:11am Top

This message has been deleted by its author.

137jjwilson61
Jul 5, 9:22am Top

>135 bluepiano: Both of those urls have the same work number, so they are the same work. The first one one has a book number as well which means that some data from the book will display on the work page instead. So if there is a difference it's in your book record which only you can fix.

138davidgn
Jul 5, 9:54am Top

Here's a small rat's nest that came up in the course of my current project. If someone wants to tackle this, I'd appreciate it. https://www.librarything.com/work/4862107/editions/142666467

139bluepiano
Jul 5, 10:46am Top

>137 jjwilson61: Okay--thanks. The differences between some of the editors & in tables of contents must be down to their being from different editions, then. (And probably I was subconsciously assuming that there'd be more variation between UK & US garden plants than there apparently is.)

140Ameise1
Jul 5, 11:48am Top

Please could somebody combine this book

http://www.librarything.com/work/15696760/book/143198355
with this author page
http://www.librarything.com/author/watsonmark-1

Thanks so much. :-)

141Jarandel
Jul 5, 1:09pm Top

>140 Ameise1: It seems someone already attributed it to the right author split.

142Ameise1
Jul 5, 2:53pm Top

>141 Jarandel: Thanks so much. :-)

143jasbro
Jul 6, 12:54pm Top

144Jarandel
Jul 6, 1:02pm Top

>143 jasbro: I would combine them, unless the 2 ISBNs that got separated have significant, different additional content ? But it doesn't look like it.

146MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 9, 9:21am Top

>145 Ameise1: I don't think that is right. Worldcat gives a different Dutch for that German title, and there is already a different German title combined in.

147Stevil2001
Jul 9, 10:23am Top

I'm not brave enough to tackle this, but someone has combined volume 2B of The Science Fiction Hall of Fame with volume 2A part 1: https://www.librarything.com/work/188188

The SF Hall of Fame stuff is so confusing. I will try to add some work relationships to make bad combinations harder.

148Ameise1
Jul 9, 10:26am Top

>146 MarthaJeanne: Thanks so much. I only read the Dutch title in the book. It's also said thaz the author has revised the earlier version.

149MarthaJeanne
Jul 9, 11:08am Top

>147 Stevil2001: This may well not be 'someone' but autocombining. The problem is that the difference in titles is so late in the titles. Even leaving off 'the', Science Fiction Hall of Fame is 28 characters. 'The' and/or 'vol' brings it up over 30, so any new addition without an ISBN is likely to end up in a work at random.

150r.orrison
Edited: Jul 9, 11:12am Top

>149 MarthaJeanne: Given that there are two different series entries on that work, I'd bet they existed as separate works at some point in the past.

151Ameise1
Jul 9, 11:35am Top

152Stevil2001
Jul 9, 12:32pm Top

>150 r.orrison: Yeah, they were definitely separate several years ago.

153r.orrison
Jul 9, 2:24pm Top

>151 Ameise1:
The book correctly appears on the pages for Claudia Beinert and Nadja Beinert. You should edit the author on your copy to show one of them in the author field and the other in the other authors field.

154Ameise1
Jul 9, 2:39pm Top

>153 r.orrison: Thanks so much.

155DemetriosX
Jul 10, 5:33am Top

Can anyone figure out why this version of A World Out of Time

https://www.librarything.com/work/19841158

has been separated out from the rest

https://www.librarything.com/work/27590 ?

I can't see any basis for it. The disambiguation notice on the larger group is meaningless, since it refers to serialization in a magazine. There are also still some editions with the ISBN on the separated version in the main work. To the best of my knowledge, there are zero differences between the 1977 Del Rey publication and any other edition. This is also a case of "too much love", so recombining them will take some more effort than usual.

157AndreasJ
Jul 10, 10:21am Top

158r.orrison
Jul 10, 10:42am Top

>155 DemetriosX: The separation was done yesterday, by a member that just joined yesterday, and who has no books cataloged. Drive-by vandalism?

159jasbro
Jul 10, 12:00pm Top

>155 DemetriosX:, >158 r.orrison: Just paint over it.

160DemetriosX
Jul 10, 1:46pm Top

>158 r.orrison: I'll be charitable and assume it was ignorance. Anyway, it seems to be fixed now. I only noticed, because the larger block popped up in my automatic suggestions and I thought, "Wait. I own this book."

161hnau
Jul 11, 10:26am Top

Please combine:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3331476
http://www.librarything.com/work/13330518 (German edition, translator instead of author)

Thanks!

162MarthaJeanne
Jul 11, 10:37am Top

>161 hnau: I think this is done, but the clock is still turning.

163Schmerguls
Edited: Jul 16, 12:05pm Top

The book I read, Strangers and Brothers, by C. P. Snow, should, I think, be at this site:

http://www.librarything.com/work/2427584

but instead shows up at this site:

http://www.librarything.com/work/9541597/edit/11546138

In other words the book I read was not Volume one of Strangers and Brothers but was the entire book. Is there a way to get it where it belongs and if so can someone do it for me since I doubt I can

164Jarandel
Edited: Jul 16, 1:17pm Top

>163 Schmerguls: Your book isn't distinctively titled enough for us to know which one it is that needs separating in the pile of editions. Your copy also has ISBN 0684183749 which is used by many of the books rightly or wrongly combined within this work.

165MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 16, 1:41pm Top

According to Worldcat, that ISBN belongs to the omnibus edition.

So, you first need to delete that from your entry. Then add something to your title to differentiate it from the other copies. After that it would be possible to separate it from the omnibus work and move it to the single novel work.

166Schmerguls
Jul 16, 5:49pm Top

Thanks, Jarandel and MarthaJeane. I of course, don't own the book but my listing on LibraryThing is of all the books I have read. I read Strangers ad Brothers on 2 Dec 1984, it being the first book of the 11 C. P. Snow books I read. The others, in order, were:

1889. The Conscience of the Rich, by C. P. Snow (read 6 Dec 1984)
1890. Time of Hope, by C. P. Snow (read 8 Dec 1984)
1891. The Light and the Dark, by C. P. Snow (read 15 Dec 1984)
1892. The Masters, by C. P. Snow (read 17 Dec 1984)(James Tait Black Memorial fiction prize for 1954)
1893. The New Men, by C. P. Snow (read 20 Dec 1984)(James Tait Black Memorial fiction prize for 1954)
1894. Homecoming, by C. P. Snow (read 22 Dec 1984)
1895. The Affair, by C. P. Snow (read 24 Dec 1984)
1896. Corridors of Power, by C. P. Snow (read 27 Dec 1984)
1897. The Sleep of Reason, by C. P. Snow (read 30 Dec 1984)
1898. Last Things, by C. P. Snow (read 4 Jan 1985)

I kind of hate to delete the book because it takes the book out of the sequence in which it was entered--the order in which I read the book. I wouldn't know how to distinguish the book to make it clear that it is the entire work called Strangers and Brothers. I just know that it was not volume I of that book, which apparently was also published in two volumes I of course don't know the the ISBN number of the book I read. My note only shows it was 309 pages and published by Charles Scribner's Sons. Seems odd it would, being only 309 pages, be also published in 2 volumes.

167MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 16, 6:02pm Top

You don't need to delete the entry. You need to delete the ISBN from the entry. You can leave the ISBN field empty.

For the title, a suggest adding something like (novel). But even a * or something so that it shows up by itself in the list of editions and we can recognize it in the list would really be enough.

If you don't change your entry it can't be moved. I think it is probably one of the 19 copies in the top edition. I see no sign that that novel was published in 2 volumes. I do see that the omnibus of the whole series was published in 3 volumes. The work it is currently in is volume 1 of the series, containing 4 novels.

168Schmerguls
Jul 17, 10:45am Top

OK, thanks, MarthaJeanne. I put an asterisk on my copy of Strangers and Brothers and then found it on the page for the book in which it was and separated it. Then I went to combine the separated book with the books it is supposed to be with but could not find the separated book on C.P. Snow's page. Maybe it takes awhile to get there?

169MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 17, 11:13am Top

I've combined it now.

170Schmerguls
Jul 17, 11:36am Top

Thank you much.

171TalvitarMovies
Jul 19, 3:47am Top

A bit of help needed...
I created a new account for my movies, and input some films yesterday.
The question concerns Avengers: Age of Ultron.
https://fi.librarything.com/work/19900346

I've tried to find a way to combine my item to other Age of Ultrons but can't find my movie on Joss Whedon's combine page. I've thousands of books on my book account and have combined my fair share of works but I'm at my wits' end with this movie :(
Your advice would be greatly appreciated!

172Jarandel
Edited: Jul 19, 4:00am Top

>171 TalvitarMovies: Done.

It seems you didn't have an author (or in this case the director) when adding the item, so it wouldn't appear on the Joss Whedon page at first.

You apparently added him later but probably didn't hit the "recalculate" link toward the bottom right of the book page then to make LT take it into account (though just letting it rest a few hours would usually do the trick too).

174TalvitarMovies
Jul 19, 4:22am Top

Thanks a lot! I hope I'll do better with the rest of my movies. There's, like, a few hundred more to go... practice makes perfect...right?! :D

176MarthaJeanne
Jul 21, 11:00am Top

>175 Ameise1: Done. Have a look at the (fairly new) workbench function at the lower right of work pages. It makes combining between languages much easier.

177Ameise1
Jul 22, 10:13am Top

>176 MarthaJeanne: Thanks so much. I'll give it a try next time.

178kleh
Jul 22, 11:55am Top

I am struggling with the disambiguation needed when different long-named authors share the same author name-string.
In English, correctly, the author name-string is "thepressandinformati" for "The Press and Information ..." , "thepressandinformati-2" for "Press and Information Office of the Federal German Government" and "thepressandinformati-3" for "Press and Information Office of Land Berlin"

I am trying to set up the equivalents for their official German names.

In German, the author name-string is "presseundinformation", which should be "Presse- und Information...", but is actually displaying as "Presse- und Informationsdienst der Bundesregierung".
"presseundinformation-1" is correctly "Presse- und Informationsdienst der Bundesregierung"
"presseundinformation-2" is correctly "Presse-Und-Informationsamt des Landes Berlin".

How do I change the base "presseundinformation" to "Presse- und Information..."?

And then how do I combine "thepressandinformati-2" with "presseundinformation-1" and combine "thepressandinformati-3" with "presseundinformation-2"?

179MarthaJeanne
Jul 22, 12:56pm Top

You can't combine the separated authors. You could combine the disambiguation pages.

You can add a canonical name on the separated author pages. The disambiguation page will continue to have the computer's best guess of the actual name.

Please add links so people can see the pages you are talking about.

180TalvitarMovies
Jul 22, 1:23pm Top

I'm not sure what to do now.
Went to director Marc Webb's "combine" page to combine my Amazing Spider-Man 2.
No problem there, but in doing my thing I happened to notice that 500 days of summer and the first Amazing spider-man movies are combined. Can't imagine how that could've happened.
I've never separated anything - I'm weirdly spooked about that, afraid I'll break something! - so what to do? Just click 'separate' on every amazing spider-man item (they're listed under 500 days of summer)?

181Jarandel
Jul 22, 2:14pm Top

>180 TalvitarMovies: It seems someone did it, they're separated now.

182amanda4242
Jul 22, 2:24pm Top

>180 TalvitarMovies: I've separated and combined everything correctly.

To separate, click separate on every single one and then combine all those separated editions with the correct work. It looks scarier than it is and I've found that separation errors are much easier to fix than combination errors.

183kleh
Jul 22, 3:06pm Top

>179 MarthaJeanne: See https://www.librarything.com/author/presseundinformation, where "Presse- und Informationsamt der Bundesregierung" is completely wrong, and should read instead as "Presse- und Information..." which would be valid for both divisions.

184Jarandel
Edited: Jul 22, 3:19pm Top

>183 kleh: I think the only way to avoid that would be to temporarily save the author as unsplit, stick a "Presse- und Information..." canonical name on it, then re-activate the split.

185kleh
Edited: Jul 22, 4:38pm Top

>184 Jarandel: Yes, that worked, many thanks.
Though it's now showing the canonical name I entered as being a "combination issue" in stranded Common Knowlege. Is it possible to fix that somehow? Can I just delete the stranded data without destroying the rest of my change?

186PhaedraB
Jul 22, 6:51pm Top

>185 kleh: Yes. Just click on the "combination issue" link and copy and paste CK info as necessary. If you leave anything in the first CK it'll still show a "combination issue" so blank out the fields when you move the data.

187Delfi_r
Jul 22, 8:11pm Top

I have successfully combined http://www.librarything.com/work/486139/book/42999393

The problem is that the author has changed to Kodak when all references of this work are listed under the real Author: Eaton, George T.

For example on the wikipedia article on Conservation and Restoration of Photographs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_and_restoration_of_photographs

(On the Further Reading section)

188kleh
Edited: Jul 22, 8:27pm Top

>186 PhaedraB: No! Blanking the old data didn't work! It changed the canonical name back, and undid all my effort!
Presumably because there is no canonical name in the current CK.

189PhaedraB
Jul 22, 8:59pm Top

>188 kleh: Hmmm, without having seen the pages, I can't say I know what's going on.

190jjwilson61
Jul 22, 9:28pm Top

>188 kleh: Did you copy the data over before you blanked the old data?

191kleh
Edited: Jul 22, 11:16pm Top

>190 jjwilson61: There was nowhere to copy it to, because canonical name does not exist as part of this CK.
See https://www.librarything.com/author/thepressandinformati/issues as an example.

That's why I asked if it was really safe to delete that stranded data.

192MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 23, 1:26am Top

>187 Delfi_r: I have made Eaton a main author at the work level. You could change that around and make Eaton primary and Kodak main, but it's fussy to do. You could also argue with Amazon and get them to change the listing so that future entries might be better, but bad author listings are typical there for used books.

At the moment, the entries are fairly evenly divided between Kodak, George Eaton and George T Eaton.

193jasbro
Edited: Yesterday, 6:23pm Top

>191 kleh: If I'm following the discussion here, we currently have two disambiguated Authors, (a) Press and Information ..., and (b) Presse- und Information..., which may in fact be as many as eight distinct "Press and Information" offices. I'm gonna ramble a bit, and ask your indulgence/forgiveness if I get either too basic or too mired in weeds ...

LibraryThing is subject to the logical limits of its applicable coding technology, and can't distinguish between similar Author names that appear the same up to 20 characters. (I think it's 20 anyway.) It's as if a bunch of different Authors were all named "John Smith." The Author Division pages let us distinguish among these similar-named Authors as (1), (2), etc., and then assign all the Works that have confusingly similar Author names to their respective, distinguished Authors as applicable. (As a further step, we can also "alias" all of one or another Author division to a different, existing Author; for example, the distinct Author "John Smith (13)" is aliased into "John William Smith" - which gets its own further disambiguation!)

In case (a) here, the overall disambiguation page currently shows divisions and allocates Works among three distinct Authors having the same or similar name, "Press and Information ... ":

(Similarly, the overall disambiguation page for (b) currently shows divisions and allocates Works among five distinct Authors having as the same or similar name, "Presse- und Information... ." I won't detail those five here, but it's the same idea.)

For case (a), that leaves FOUR distinct, similarly named Authors: (1), (2) and (3), as listed above, plus the original (disambiguation). Because none of (1), (2) and (3) yet have Canonical Names in their respective Common Knowledge, LibraryThing has calculated "Press and Information ... (1)" to be Republic of Cyprus the Press and Information Office from the Works assigned to (1). Likewise, "Press and Information ... (2)" is calculated as Press and Information Office of the Federal German Government; and "Press and Information ... (3)" is Press and Information Office of Land Berlin. So far, these look OK.

The Combination Issue arises, however, with the common, original Author page, "(disambiguation)" at https://www.librarything.com/author/thepressandinformati, because LibraryThing no longer knows where to put the Canonical Name, "Press and Information ... ." (In case (b), the original page also had now-stray Common Knowledge "n/a" for Gender, which I changed to "(make blank).") Regardless of whether we provide Common Knowledge for the distinct Authors (1), (2) and (3), we still need to tell LibraryThing what to do with the stray CK that is the old Canonical Name.

If the Canonical Name, or any other CK, should be copied to (1), (2) or (3) instead of being deleted, now's the time to do it. This is especially helpful (hypothetically) where CK unique to one "John Smith" was entered before we disambiguated the generic "John Smith" into "John Smith (1)" through "John Smith (54)." Since there's nowhere to copy this old CK for the original "Press and Information ...," I think you're right to delete it on the Combination Issue page, re-saving that field as being blank.

Does any of this dissertation help at all, or have I just muddled the water and stirred up its soupiness? Please let us know if other questions, and how else we can help. And thanks for your interest and assistance!

194Jarandel
Edited: Yesterday, 11:58pm Top

>193 jasbro: The problem was that unless you hack the "Press and Information..." in by setting a canonical name before splitting, all the divisions appear to have whatever the default name for the first division is, which can be more specific than you'd want.

So you'd have divisions that look like this :
(1) Press and Information of X : Press and Information of X
(2) Press and Information of X : Press and information of Y
(3) Press and Information of X : Press and Information of Z

195kleh
Yesterday, 7:03pm Top

>193 jasbro: Many thanks, that's superbly explained.

I'm with you all the way to the paragraph:

"If the Canonical Name, or any other CK, should be copied to (1), (2) or (3) instead of being deleted, now's the time to do it. This is especially helpful (hypothetically) where CK unique to one "John Smith" was entered before we disambiguated the generic "John Smith" into "John Smith (1)" through "John Smith (54)." Since there's nowhere to copy this old CK for the original "Press and Information ...," I think you're right to delete it on the Combination Issue page, re-saving that field as being blank. "

The Canonical Name can't be copied to (1), (2) or (3), because all four need to be different.
And if the Canonical Name is blanked, then the name displayed for the base author name-string immediately changes, to one that is incorrect
I think it must be automatically recalculated from (1), (2) and (3).

I have come to the conclusion that the least worst solution is to leave the combination issue unfixed.

196kleh
Edited: Yesterday, 7:06pm Top

>194 Jarandel: Your last post crossed with mine. Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

197prosfilaes
Yesterday, 7:13pm Top

>193 jasbro: LibraryThing is subject to the logical limits of its applicable coding technology

There are many ways this could have been handled without those limitations. It's not a logical limit; it's an arbitrary limit designed by humans to make things a little bit faster and easier (for the programmers).

198kleh
Yesterday, 7:31pm Top

>197 prosfilaes: I know. I'm a programmer!

199jasbro
Edited: Today, 1:34pm Top

>195 kleh: Got it ... I think. So part of the "problem" may be that "Press and Information Office ..." is NOT so much like "John Smith," but rather more like "John Smith," "John Jones," "John Johnson," and "John Brown." In that case, is it better to change the Primary Author on each linked Work, to add "... of Land Berlin," "... of the Federal German Government," or "Republic of Cyprus ..." as applicable? If we do that, it seems none of the Works should link to the "(disambiguation)" page, which effectively dismantles and abandons it until somebody else uses it again for another Author.

>197 prosfilaes: Thanks for your clarification. That statement was incidental to my "thinking out-loud" as I typed, and I probably should've deleted it. I only meant there are practical limits to the logic that LT applies on this point, just as such limits are inherent to any coding application. Since I'm a Member-user, and not a programmer, whether any particular limit is by choice or necessity seems immaterial to me. I'm just glad to understand what some of them (and their trade-offs) are, and to use LT in that context and framework.

200Collectorator
Edited: Today, 1:46pm Top

>198 kleh: http://www.librarything.com/topic/239156#5878862
This is how it is done. Please do not change the primary author on these. That is a very bad idea. And don't put canonical names on the individual splits. You had this right once a while back, but then took some bad advice. You can fix it again by doing what omar does.

Oh, and it will always say it has combination issues after this. Just ignore that in these cases of crazy long names.

201kleh
Edited: Today, 5:24pm Top

>200 Collectorator: Ah, good to have confirmation of my conclusion that you just have to live with the combination issues message.

I have added disambiguation notices copied from Omar's.

I don't think I would ever have worked out that you need to click on another language first, in order to be able to edit the English CK!

Many thanks to all who have helped with this.

202jasbro
Today, 10:34pm Top

With that, this thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #77 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/265866. Thank you!

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