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The (further) Nazification of America, 2

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1LolaWalser
Aug 11, 2017, 11:20am Top


Your daily reminder Republicans are festering piles of shit.

Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election

...Our survey is only measuring reactions to a hypothetical situation. (...) However, the results shouldn't be simply dismissed, the academics said, because they indicated that there was a high number of Republicans who were willing to buck democratic norms. (...) The poll also found that 56% said they would support such action — which would be taken to stop alleged voter fraud — if it was supported by both Trump and Republican members of Congress.

22wonderY
Aug 11, 2017, 5:25pm Top

That's the scariest item yet (except for the saber rattling.) Why did someone suggest it?

3timspalding
Aug 11, 2017, 7:25pm Top

I'm over my WashPost quota for the month. What was the exact wording?

4davidgn
Edited: Aug 11, 2017, 7:34pm Top

>3 timspalding:
  1. If Donald Trump were to say that the 2020 presidential election should be postponed until the country can make sure that only eligible American citizens can vote, would you support or oppose postponing the election?
  2. What if both Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress were to say that the 2020 presidential election should be postponed until the country can make sure that only eligible American citizens can vote? Would you support or oppose postponing the election?


Also:

Roughly half of Republicans believe Trump won the popular vote — and would support postponing the 2020 election.

Nearly half of Republicans (47 percent) believe that Trump won the popular vote, which is similar to this finding. Larger fractions believe that millions of illegal immigrants voted (68 percent) and that voter fraud happens somewhat or very often (73 percent). Again, this is similar to previous polls.

Moreover, 52 percent said that they would support postponing the 2020 election, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress proposed this.

5theoria
Aug 11, 2017, 8:45pm Top

>1 LolaWalser: US right-wingers have never been committed to democracy. Today, they share a visceral embrace of strongmen like Putin and strongman-wannabes like Trump.

6southernbooklady
Aug 11, 2017, 8:49pm Top

>4 davidgn: Nearly half of Republicans (47 percent) believe that Trump won the popular vote, which is similar to this finding. Larger fractions believe that millions of illegal immigrants voted (68 percent) and that voter fraud happens somewhat or very often (73 percent)

How bizarre. I wonder how often a party that wins an election claims voter fraud is a widespread problem?

8LolaWalser
Aug 15, 2017, 11:01am Top

And the shit still does it:

Donald Trump retweets alt-right provocateur after condemning white supremacists

Fascist leader of fascists.

9LolaWalser
Aug 15, 2017, 8:52pm Top

This UNBELIEVABLE shit:

Trump Defends Initial Remarks on Charlottesville; Again Blames ‘Both Sides’

Former KKK leader David Duke thanks Trump for 'condemning leftist terrorists'

This is it, people. This is the line, this is the crossing of the line. Get rid of him now or it won't happen without more carnage.

And as for you, you Killarian fucks, Putin apologists, conspiracy theorists, go jump off a bridge. Go sit on a tiki torch. Fuck you from here to eternity.

10theoria
Aug 15, 2017, 11:36pm Top

Equivocators have set off on an eternal whatabout. But Ivanka will have to explain to her Jewish children why grandpa Donald embraces Neonazis.

11davidgn
Aug 16, 2017, 1:36am Top

I have no trouble condemning Nazis, nor condemning Trump. I'll even say that in most respects, "Killary" -- a term I'm pretty sure I've never used up until now, but I wouldn't want to disappoint -- would have been a vastly superior president to the present cretin-in-chief. I don't think I was ever unclear about that. But I'm not going to stop calling things as I see them just because you can't forgive anyone who voted third party.

12rastaphrog
Aug 16, 2017, 9:11am Top

And in the "let's double down on our hate for people against us" department, there's a reported effort underway to get people to protest/harass/whatever you care to call it at Heather Heyer's funeral.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/daily-stormer-website-sending-nazis-to-harass-fu...

13lriley
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 11:49pm Top

#29--it should be kept in mind that a lot of those protesting against Trump and all the fascists, nazis and klanners at Charlottesville did not vote for Hillary Clinton in the last election. You can start with just about everyone associated with antifa--who a lot more than less identify themselves as anarchist. Then you have those who identify as socialist.

14davidgn
Edited: Aug 17, 2017, 12:33am Top

>31 I don't know how Heather Heyer voted (and even if I did it would be distasteful to bring it it up), but I do know she was with the DSA (which also seems to be becoming a popular affiliation among old acquaintances of mine). That organization is evolving quickly and growing by leaps and bounds under Trump. I may well wind up in that orbit myself.

15sturlington
Edited: Aug 17, 2017, 5:46pm Top

>28 Strong words from Michael Chabon and Ayelet Waldman to their fellow Jews, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump: https://medium.com/@vanzorn/to-our-fellow-jews-in-the-united-states-in-israel-and-around-the-world-ff421a1d325d

The time for mealy-mouthed pussyfooting around is over. Anyone still defending Trump at this point is showing the true nature of their character.

In the NYT Opinion: "I voted for Trump, and I sorely regret it" -- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/sunday/i-voted-for-trump-and-i-sorely-regret-it.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Anyone who was actually so self-deluded as to have not recognized Trump's racism during the election or while he was appointing white supremacists as his closest advisors has nowhere left to hide after this week.

16theoria
Aug 18, 2017, 12:39pm Top

>33 The Chabon Waldman plea is to the point.

17lriley
Aug 18, 2017, 1:40pm Top

#32--I've been thinking about that too.

19davidgn
Edited: Aug 20, 2017, 11:54am Top

>25 was very timely (at the time) and is not to be missed.
Much as I dislike VICE, they do great reporting and documentaries on occasion.

Meanwhile, from Paul R. Pillar:
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu continues to call the tune for U.S. policy in the Middle East, going so far as to avoid criticizing U.S. neo-Nazis to not offend President Trump, as ex-CIA analyst Paul R. Pillar describes.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/20/israels-quiet-reaction-to-us-neo-nazis/

21davidgn
Dec 6, 2017, 3:16am Top

https://www.cnet.com/news/neo-nazi-sympathizers-crowdfunding/
This caught my eye. Talk about start-ups from hell!

Boxed out of mainstream crowdfunding sites, hate groups have taken a new tack: They're building their own financing platforms.

Big-name internet companies moved quickly to boot neo-Nazis after violent clashes between white nationalists and protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia left three dead in August. Crowdfunding platforms, like Patreon and GoFundMe, shuttered fundraisers for far-right causes, while Apple Pay and PayPal cut off services to white nationalists and merchants selling items that promote racism, like clothes bearing Nazi symbols.

To fill the void, neo-Nazi entrepreneurs are building crowdfunding sites of their own. The websites list free speech and fighting censorship as motivation. But critics say their names -- Counter.Fund, Goyfundme and Hatreon -- underscore a darker purpose: financing hate speech.


Bold text is mine, because... wow, seriously?

22barney67
Dec 22, 2017, 1:04am Top

by Jonah Goldberg

One of my longstanding gripes is how when conservatives do something bad, it’s proof of the inherent badness of conservatives and conservatism. But when liberals do something bad, it is immediately turned into an indictment of America itself. Joe McCarthy’s excesses were a window into the nature of conservatism, according to historians, intellectuals, and journalists. But when liberals — Attorney General Palmer, Woodrow Wilson, et al. — did far worse, the villain was America itself. When conservatives are racist, it is because they are conservatives. When liberals are racist it is because racism is an “American sin.” In other words, liberalism is never wrong.

23crljones
Dec 22, 2017, 1:33am Top

Wow - as a Conservative I thought I would skim by and see what was going on here.
Pretty surprised - in fact shocked at the vitriol.
I am Canadian but would be happy to vote for Trump.
And yes I am a White Male.

According to comments above - that makes me collectively guilty of the worst crimes of all men.
You don't even know us and yet it is not possible to have a discussion/disagreement.

Pretty sad.

24proximity1
Edited: Dec 22, 2017, 4:22am Top

>40

Barney

plenty --plenty!-- of "liberals" are unable and unwilling to recognize just how much they, as individuals, can exhibit the same ugly faults which they deplore in those they identify as the source of our social ills: those of sexism (I'm talkin' to _you_, sexist liberal feminists), racism (I'm talkin' to _you_ "White-men-are-a-plague-upon-humanity"-style 'racist' "liberals") and other assorted bigotries.

From this, the fact that there are some really, really, blind, foolish and morally-ugly people who collect and act under the banner of "liberals" to this, that, "In other words, liberalism is (never) (also) (usually) (always) ---choose your favorite to fill in the blank before--- "' wrong'," is just not a feasible or justified step.

25RickHarsch
Dec 22, 2017, 7:21am Top

>41 You're hilarious, why not drop in more often?

262wonderY
Jan 3, 1:40pm Top

Acting ICE director wants politicians in sanctuary cities charged with crimes

Further, he vowed, "I'm going to significantly increase our enforcement presence in California -- we're already doing it."

California had "better hold on tight," Homan said. "They're about to see a lot more special agents, a lot more deportation hours in the state of California."

272wonderY
Edited: Jan 3, 2:38pm Top

Last week, GOP Congressman says it's time to 'purge' FBI of anti-Trump elements.

A term more commonly associated with authoritarian dictators than democratic societies.

Echoes of this from a year ago:

Newt Gingrich wants to fire federal employees who voted for Clinton

28margd
Jan 24, 6:24am Top

Our tax dollars at work...Sickening video posted by WaPo (below) and also Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-border-patrol-mexico-water-b...)

Border Patrol accused of targeting aid group that filmed agents dumping water left for migrants
Amy B Wang | January 23, 2018

Last Wednesday, a nonprofit group that provides humanitarian aid to migrants in the Arizona desert released a lengthy report alleging Border Patrol agents were intentionally destroying supplies left for migrants in the desert, the group said, to “condemn border crossers to suffering, death and disappearance.”

What received wider attention, however, was a video that the Tucson-based aid group, No More Deaths, also distributed with its report. The footage, taken between 2010 and 2017, showed Border Patrol agents kicking over water jugs that had been left in the desert. In one clip, a male agent sneers at the person filming him, demanding to know whom the water is for, as he empties a gallon bottle of water onto the ground.

Now the aid group is calling the arrest of one its volunteers suspicious. On Wednesday, Border Patrol agents arrested Scott Warren, 35, in the desert near Ajo, Ariz., about eight hours after the No More Deaths report and video were released...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/23/border-patrol-accused-of-targeting-aid-group-that-filmed-agents-dumping-water-left-for-migrants/
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Another video of our tax dollars at work... This is same kind of search that stopped teenager in an ambulance in TX. Never mind 4th amendment, my understanding is that American citizens are not required to carry/produce citizenship papers inside the country. If a train or bus or hwy is routinely inspected, American citizens who rightfully refuse to produce papers could really gum things up.

Border Patrol agents boarded a bus and asked for citizenship papers. Is that legal?
David J. Neal | January 22, 2018 Updated January 23, 2018 04:45 PM

U.S. Border Patrol agents took someone (a Jamaican grandma who had overstayed tourist visa visiting her grand daughter for the first time) off a Greyhound bus (Orlando to Miami) outside the Fort Lauderdale station after allegedly asking everyone on board for proof of citizenship, according to witness video and immigration advocates.

...The Border Patrol’s Miami section confirmed Monday: Yes, that’s us, and we can do that.

...what might appear to be a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure, has been common practice for years...

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article196016724.html

30pmackey
Edited: Mar 6, 11:18am Top

>46 I watched a John Oliver segment on the BP, and from the way he explained it, BP has legal authority to ask for your identification. I forget the argument, now, but basically a border entry point can be located inland of the border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnW5EjwtE2U

This bothers the libertarian in me because it's an invasion of my rights as a U.S. Citizen. There are checkpoints in Arizona everyone has to go through, and I suppose the agents could ask for ID if they felt justified. I've gone through these checkpoints and I've never been asked for ID but I think that's because I'm white.

I hate sobriety checkpoints for the same reason. Why should I be impeded on my way on a public road by the police for a field sobriety checkpoint? It's an abridgment of my civil liberties. I comply, but it irks me.

Same goes for the police who may stop you in a public place and ask for your ID. Unless you have probable cause, leave me the hell alone. I'm unaware of any law stating I must carry identity on a daily basis except when driving, or traveling by air.

31rastaphrog
Mar 6, 11:12pm Top

>48 A BP checkpoint can be up to 100 miles from the border, which means the entirety of some states and a number of major metropolitan areas fall within the BPs "jurisdiction".

https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

Basic info on checkpoints

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol_interior_checkpoints

32pmackey
Mar 7, 6:04am Top

>49 Thanks. I thought it was something like that. Though I CAN live with it, I hate it as I see governments doing this as an affront to civil liberties.

332wonderY
Aug 14, 1:37pm Top

On the anniversary of Charlottesville, Unite the Right planned a rally in Washington DC. Their small numbers (several dozen) and thousands of counter-protesters, caused them to speed their rally, finishing and dispersing before even the official starting time.

This left poor Dan on his only lonely way to the meet-up. Sunday was Dan's 19th birthday and he treated himself to a trip from Long Island to meet with his soul bros. Dan believes in “peaceful cleansing” of Latinos and blacks from the United States.

I wonder what he means by that.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681444/unite-the-right-rally-dc-charlottesville-failure

34alco261
Aug 14, 7:55pm Top

>33 2wonderY: best guess - shoot people with a silenced pistol in the middle of the night and quietly remove the bodies so as to not inconvenience passerby in the morning.

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