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Gaston Leroux's PHANTOM OF THE OPERA DLE

Easton Press Collectors

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1JuliusC
Edited: Aug 15, 2017, 12:41pm Top

"The masterpiece of horror and source of the Broadway blockbuster, in a signed and numbered Deluxe Illustrated Edition …"

Personally signed and illustrated with specially commissioned artwork by award-winning artist Annie Stegg Gerard.

“If I am the phantom, it is because man's hatred has made me so. If I am to be saved it is because your love redeems me.”

Gaston Leroux’s moving story of madness, terror and love is the source of the smash Broadway musical and multiple films. It is brilliantly brought to life in this Deluxe Limited Edition featuring ten full-color illustrations by acclaimed artist Annie Stegg Gerard. Each image is hand-tipped into the book and protected by a translucent overlay. The book comes in a custom-crafted clothbound slipcase. Each book has been personally signed by Annie Stegg Gerard.

A limited, hand-numbered edition of 1200.

$75 x 5 / $375
https://www.eastonpress.com/prod/112/3190/Gaston-Leroux-s-PHANTOM-OF-THE-OPERA

Vote: Are you interested in this DLE?

Current tally: Yes 9, No 6, Undecided 7

2HugoDumas
Aug 15, 2017, 12:26pm Top

>1 JuliusC: a beauty. A real DLE.

3JuliusC
Aug 15, 2017, 4:04pm Top

2> Indeed, although the price is a bit of a turn off for me.

4booksforreading
Aug 15, 2017, 4:23pm Top

I am interested, but need to think about this a little more. The price is definitely high.

5HugoDumas
Aug 15, 2017, 4:45pm Top

Price (sigh!). Yet, if you buy the ones you really love, they are treasures. Case in point....Tristan and Iseult and of course the Hugo and Dumas DLEs.

6GOBOGIE
Aug 15, 2017, 7:43pm Top

I guess I don't have a problem with the price but I do have a couple thoughts...

1) 1200 is barely a limited edition
2) The listing doesn't indicate size
3) There are no actual photos of the book in the EP listing. Sometime the actual colors vary greatly and it would be nice to know

7treereader
Aug 15, 2017, 9:58pm Top

I'm content with the Horror Classics version.

8johndunn
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 9:01am Top

Love it and just ordered it. I love mixture of my EP LE's and FS LE's sharing my library shelves. One of these days I will join YouTube to show my collection to people around the world. Love my EP's as much as I love my FS. Now, if I can only save some money to buy groceries after spending more than $1500 buying LE's from FS, especially Letterpress Shakespeare.

9johndunn
Aug 16, 2017, 9:11am Top

> 5 Several days ago, I ordered heavily illustrated "The Count of Monte Cristo LE." It looks like EP created the best edition that was ever published of this work. Very pricey though.

10JuliusC
Aug 16, 2017, 11:16am Top

>6 GOBOGIE: 1200 seems to be EP's standard in Artist signed DLE's. They have since updated the info and the size is 9" X 11", 308pp.

11supercell
Edited: Dec 12, 2017, 6:16pm Top

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12HugoDumas
Aug 16, 2017, 3:27pm Top

>9 johndunn: The entire Routledge set of 1887-1888 and 1894 is outstanding of Dumas, Hugo and Sue. There were 23 volumes. EP published all but 7. Thus I have all the EP plus originals if not published by EP. These sets are worth it.

13astropi
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 6:28pm Top

These illustrations are truly beautiful! I would say at 1200 it's certainly a limited edition, albeit with a fairly high limitation number. Still I expect it to sell out eventually as is the case with basically all DLEs. Also, as far as I can tell, this is the most beautiful edition of Phantom of The Opera ever published (if someone thinks otherwise, please do share). I admit I'm not a Phantom expert, but I do enjoy such books. Centipede Press has not published Phantom, and the only other "fine" edition I know of is the earlier Easton Press edition, and people are asking $200+ for those copies. So honestly, this is a great edition, I just wish it wasn't quite as expensive as it is. That said, I myself will wait on this for now but keep an eye on it. If in two months stock drops down to 20, well, I may bite the bullet, but I don't suspect it will sell out so quickly.

14wcarter
Aug 16, 2017, 7:54pm Top

I would have ordered this, but it seems that the Easton Press is now refusing to ship any of their books outside North America, and they are refusing to ship some to Canada or even California.
They are becoming positively xenophobic.
I have a few of their deluxe editions, but as I am in Australia, it seems I will not be able to obtain any more.

15supercell
Edited: Dec 12, 2017, 6:16pm Top

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16wcarter
Aug 16, 2017, 8:50pm Top

>15 supercell:
It is not just the Phantom of the Opera that they refuse to ship overseas. I experimented by adding half a dozen different titles to my shopping cart, but Easton would not ship any of them to Australia.
Thanks for the info, but I have used forwarding agents before, and as it adds significantly to the cost, I can't see myself repeating the exercise.
I will stick to Folio Society and Taschen for my LEs in future.

17Eastoner
Aug 16, 2017, 9:13pm Top

>16 wcarter: Just out of curiosity, have you tried calling or e-mailing to place an order? I thought I read someone's post on here before claiming that they weren't able to order through the website, but had to call in, however they were able to ship overseas to them.

18wcarter
Aug 16, 2017, 9:24pm Top

>17 Eastoner:
That was the clumsy old system that Easton used for foreigners. The web site now states definitively that they will not ship books to "other countries" while usually defining that the countries they will ship to are USA and sometimes Canada.
I'm afraid I am completely over Easton and their jingoistic policies, so will happily stick to European publishers in future.

19supercell
Edited: Dec 12, 2017, 6:16pm Top

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20GOBOGIE
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 9:47pm Top

>10 JuliusC:: Thanks for the additional info. I'm considering the purchase. I've seen the musical 10+ times. Have reserved tickets for when it comes to my neck of the woods this spring (I have an friend who works at the box office where I will be going to see it 👍).

One of my all time favs!

Decisions Decisions...

21JuliusC
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 11:26pm Top

>14 wcarter: It is unfortunate as I share the same sentiment. With Eastons archaic system combined with the copyright law, they've restricted current and future customers. Californias law that was implemented last year I believe, signed memorabilia cannot be sold? I forgot what it states exactly but if a book cannot be shipped to me in Canada then I may be out of luck. That cuts majority of the books I purchase from them. I didn't mind emailing them as they were friendly but they're in need of a serious upgrade.

Edit: It looks like they will only ship to a US address so I may be out of luck.

22JuliusC
Edited: Aug 16, 2017, 11:12pm Top

>20 GOBOGIE: Ah, great to have a plug eh ;) If you're in a position to purchase it I'm sure you will not be disappointed. I'm intrigued by it so I will put this one in the bucket list. I have never seen the plays but was always curious. If I like the story I will have the watch if they come around my way.

23Drfreddy94
Aug 17, 2017, 3:22am Top

Easton press ships books overseas.
However you have to contact them via email to request it. The cost should not be more than 20 dollars.
However they ship it via surface mail and books can take 3 months to reach you.
I have purchased a couple of their books and they have shipped it to India.
So I think you should befine.

24elladan0891
Aug 17, 2017, 6:45pm Top

>21 JuliusC: Californias law that was implemented last year I believe, signed memorabilia cannot be sold?
No, just anything signed costing over $5 must come with a Certificate of Authenticity containing some specific verbiage, plus the website must contain some specific verbiage. It puzzles me why EP won't just print the extra CoA sheets - I imagine that CA presents a significant portion of their customer base...

25jroger1
Edited: Aug 17, 2017, 10:35pm Top

>24 elladan0891:
There is a lot more to it than a simple COA.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/28/california-passes-law-that-could-make-ge/amp

EDIT: Re-entered the link.

26astropi
Aug 17, 2017, 9:11pm Top

24-25: Yes indeed. If it was simple Easton Press would have done it. We had a thread and discussion on this awhile back and the consensus was that this is an asinine law that would hurt collectors and it has.

27elladan0891
Edited: Aug 17, 2017, 9:16pm Top

>25 jroger1:
I don't see there anything more than a CoA in a strictly defined format.
Btw, I totally see how this hurts local bookshops, no question about that. They have to jump through hoops to make their current inventory legal, having to produce unique CoAs for every different title without the manpower to do so and having to spend money on printing, and it would hurt that part of signing events when authors sign a bunch of books which are then sold after the event at their regular price, autograph being a free extra. So I totally understand why CA booksellers are angry.

But for a publisher like EP mass-printing some extra sheets for a few old titles and every time they produce a new signed edition shouldn't be a big deal.

28astropi
Aug 17, 2017, 9:21pm Top

Could always ask EP.customer service about this. I'm actually curious what they would say?

29astropi
Aug 18, 2017, 4:19am Top

Dang... I can't get over how awesome these illustrations are! Hmmm, now when is my birthday...

30HugoDumas
Aug 18, 2017, 12:26pm Top

>29 astropi: do it. Do not wait. It is too beautiful and too many fans of the play. It will sell out even at 1200.

31treereader
Aug 18, 2017, 6:40pm Top

No pressure. lol

32astropi
Aug 19, 2017, 7:10am Top

30: I ain't made of money you know :)
As I said, I'll keep an eye out on this one. I suspect it will sell more quickly than some of the other DLEs, but I don't see it vanishing in a few weeks. Although, you never know. Years ago I called EP about a DLE that came out, and the rep told me "oh yeah, we have copies left, but you should probably order in a few weeks." I called a few days later and they were out... :/
No worries, right?

33HugoDumas
Aug 19, 2017, 12:24pm Top

>32 astropi: neither am I. Sell lesser liked books to buy ones I really want. I sold F.Scott Fitzgerald set and itching to replace it with PayPal funds.

34treereader
Aug 19, 2017, 3:51pm Top

The horror! One of the best looking sets EP ever made? Sold for DLE fodder?

35iluvbeckett
Aug 25, 2017, 8:34pm Top

>29 astropi:: Is that Bernadette Peters? :-O

36HugoDumas
Aug 26, 2017, 4:57pm Top

>34 treereader: pity they did not bind Durant like the Fitzgerald set. In my opinion he did not warrant such beauty, since his literature is pretty mediocre and almost one dimensional. I suffered reading the set.

37strawberrymargarita
Aug 27, 2017, 12:42am Top

I waited over 15 years for a nice illustrated edition of the Phantom of the Opera. It's a disappointment that Easton Press does not ship to California. I wish they would leave some books unsigned so that it can ship to California.

38HugoDumas
Aug 27, 2017, 2:55pm Top

>37 strawberrymargarita: you must have relatives outside of CA. I really wanted Hunchback DLE and found it at U.K. Danbury Mint under original cost. Had friend in UK buy it for me and ship to me.

39strawberrymargarita
Aug 27, 2017, 5:16pm Top

>38 HugoDumas: All my relatives (that I know) are in California. Yes, I was thinking about asking a friend in a different state but it's such a hassle. I am glad that I was able to get Tuck Everlasting (signed edition) before the new California law took effect.

40treereader
Aug 27, 2017, 6:56pm Top

Maybe you could call EP, put in a purchase for an unsigned book and have them accidentally send the wrong package (i.e., the Phantom DLE).

41HugoDumas
Aug 27, 2017, 7:02pm Top

>39 strawberrymargarita: buy what you want and have EP ship to friend who then reships at media rate which is under $4.

42strawberrymargarita
Aug 27, 2017, 8:49pm Top

>40 treereader: I have bad luck. They probably have a system where they easily block signed books from being shipped out to California addresses.

>41 HugoDumas: Yes, I will tell my friend to ship it by media mail. I just looked up the Hunchback DLE and it looks awesome. It would look gorgeous with the Toilers DLE. They both are in beautiful shades of green.

43astropi
Aug 27, 2017, 9:03pm Top

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/19/533556252/bookstore-owner-sues-california-over-law...

"Bookstore Owner Sues California Over Law Regulating Autographed Items"

"Under the new law, he and other booksellers must carefully notate the time and date of the sale, the names of the buyers and even witnesses. Then the bookkeeping would have to be saved for seven years."

Seems crazy to me that there have to be witnesses. I guess this was pushed in part by actor Mark Hamill. I could very well believe that there are many fraudulent Star Wars items out there. However, this is obviously hurting real sellers such as Easton Press, and thus people that want to purchase the book too.

44HugoDumas
Aug 27, 2017, 9:50pm Top

>42 strawberrymargarita: all the Routledge DLEs from 1887-1888 and 1894 are awesome. I have all of them even originals since EP did not publish all 23 volumes.

45NotDownInAnyMap
Edited: Oct 29, 2017, 11:01pm Top

I can't stop thinking about this edition. Has anyone received a copy yet? If so, what do you think? Besides the color artwork, it looks like there are other black and white illustrations. Is that right?

47NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 30, 2017, 9:33am Top

>46 astropi: Haha, good one!

48SF-72
Nov 1, 2017, 6:29am Top

Has anyone bought and received this edition? There are a few more photos of it on the EP website than there were during the pre-order phase, but at this price it would be great to hear a bit more from someone who actually has it with regard to the illustrations etc. For example: Are there black and white illustrations throughout the book, and do they vary or is it basically the same few repeatedly? What about the colour illustrations? Any help would be appreciated.

49strawberrymargarita
Nov 2, 2017, 12:46am Top

>44 HugoDumas: I was able to find someone to reship it to me. =)

>45 NotDownInAnyMap: >48 SF-72: There are about 10 color illustrations. The black and white illustrations are repeats. The rose is after each chapter, and the opera house/building is at the start of each chapter. The artist (Annie Stegg Gerard) posted some Phantom of the Opera artwork on her instagram. Her oil paintings are gorgeous.

50SF-72
Nov 2, 2017, 8:58am Top

> 49 strawberrymargarita

Thank you very much for that information!

51NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 2, 2017, 9:08am Top

>49 strawberrymargarita: Thank you! Really appreciate that information as well.

52NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 10, 2017, 11:15pm Top

Received my copy today. Darn it... I immediately noticed through the shrink wrap gilt missing on the spine near the mask at the top, and the double page fold-out illustration has a scratch. I was almost willing to live with the missing gilt, but the scratch on the artwork is unacceptable. It's almost a $400 book. You think they would take a quick glance at it before they ship, and during production for quality control. If you got a copy, be sure to inspect the gilt and all the illustrations for defects.

53HugoDumas
Nov 11, 2017, 12:05am Top

>52 NotDownInAnyMap: at those prices expect perfection and get another copy and have EP pay for the return. 4 of my last six purchases were defective.

54NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 11, 2017, 1:20am Top

>53 HugoDumas: I've experienced a similar defective rate for my recent purchases. I always hold my breath when I open my Easton Press packages now. Yes, this copy is going back. I hope the next one is perfect.

55treereader
Nov 11, 2017, 9:35am Top

>52 NotDownInAnyMap:

EP isn't usually the one doing the shipping, their book binder is, and the book binder has less incentive to ensure perfection because (A) EP isn't their only customer and (B) EP either buys insurance, adjusts the costs of all their books to absorb the expense of defects, or contracts pricing with the binder based partly on an expected defect rate to provide the satisfaction guaranteed aspect of these books. If something is wrong, at most, the binder just hopes it doesn't break a pricing threshold with EP and ships another if they have it.

So yes, at $400 for a book, expect perfection. But don't expect anyone to look at it before it ships out the door.

56Anna1851
Nov 14, 2017, 4:41pm Top

>52 NotDownInAnyMap: I also noticed an issue with the gilt on the mask on the spine. I contacted EP about it hoping that they could send me a replacement that was perfect, and their response to me:

"We have examined other copies of this book and all of them are exactly that same way. The gold embossing of the mask has a small buff mark where it appears a bit duller in that spot. They are all like this. We are not going to reprint these books. Cordially, Easton Press Customer Service"

Here are some photos of this defect:





I wanted a perfect book as well. But even with this minor defect, I still think this is an amazing, beautiful edition. The illustrations are absolutely sublime, and the overall quality and design exceeded my expectations. For those on the fence about this edition, I hope you find the information about the minor defect helpful in your decision.

57venkysuniverse
Nov 14, 2017, 4:45pm Top

>56 Anna1851: Very useful, thanks.

58Wootle
Nov 14, 2017, 5:04pm Top

>56 Anna1851: Is this the only flaw you've found in the book?

59NotDownInAnyMap
Edited: Nov 14, 2017, 6:03pm Top

>56 Anna1851: That is the exact gilding problem with my copy. That is also the only issue I found after thoroughly inspecting it. It is disappointing. But for a fine, illustrated edition of Phantom of the Opera, there is no other option than to turn to Easton Press. So I guess I will just have to accept it.

60Anna1851
Nov 14, 2017, 6:23pm Top

>58 Wootle: Yes. If it weren't for that, it would be flawless.

61GOBOGIE
Nov 14, 2017, 8:39pm Top

Thats disappointing. For those that Have the book and want to keep it, I hope you can live with it and still enjoy it.

62HugoDumas
Edited: Nov 14, 2017, 11:58pm Top

>59 NotDownInAnyMap: well you might consider asking for a replacement just to drive EP nuts or simply ask for a refund. Their original response to me on the 3 missing pages of Dore’s Baron Munchausen was they were intentionally left blank.....finally enough calls convinced them to reprint.

It’s all about the mask....and you will have to look at this botched mask the rest of your life on the spine, and it will continue to irritate you. I always send defective books back...period... even if it is OOP. I accept disappointing copies like Uncle Tom’s Cabin DLE only when I get for instance a $120 book gift, as I did with this botched printing. So you might want to wait for a Christmas or Black Friday sale and buy the botched book again.

63NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 15, 2017, 12:33am Top

>62 HugoDumas: Unfortunately, you're right. The botched mask irritates me to no end. I like everything else about this edition which makes it more frustrating. It sounds like Easton Press made it clear that they are not reprinting it. I guess they couldn't expect the artist to sign another 1,200 books. If the botched mask is as good as it gets, can I learn to live with it and enjoy reading it with the wonderful illustrations? Or can I live without it altogether? It's one of my all-time favorite novels and I've been waiting for a fine, illustrated edition for years. So I'm torn...

64Wootle
Nov 15, 2017, 12:54am Top

>63 NotDownInAnyMap: Try sending it back once, you never know, you might get a better copy. The copy they used for promo pics doesn't have the flaw, so most likely not all copies do. Of course, if you get a worse copy....

65HugoDumas
Nov 15, 2017, 1:13am Top

>64 Wootle: you are right unless they photoshopped the picture.

66NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 15, 2017, 2:10am Top

>64 Wootle: I'm really hoping someone here confirms they have a copy without the defect. However, it seems Easton Press checked all the remaining copies and all have the same issue. That's how I understood it. I would hate to gamble and end up with a worse copy. I need to decide soon, and it's a tough decision.

67treereader
Nov 15, 2017, 7:10am Top

>66 NotDownInAnyMap:

I highly doubt EP checked all copies. They probably got a few complaints from customers or a warning from the bindery about the general state of quality. This Book wouldn't even be stored on EP's premisis, it's at a warehouse in Tennessee, which means someone from EP would have to fly down to check things out in person, and then you're talking about hundreds of copies to look through, most or all already in shipping boxes.

Try your luck, force an exchange or a return and buy another copy.

68Wootle
Nov 15, 2017, 9:08am Top

>66 NotDownInAnyMap: You also can keep the one you have until inspecting the new one. Just keep the best copy.

69Wootle
Nov 15, 2017, 11:20am Top

>67 treereader: Absolutely correct. No way did they check all copies. Customer service these days will tell you anything to get you off the phone. EP customer service used to be much better, they are really starting to slide these days.

70NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 15, 2017, 1:21pm Top

>69 Wootle: I agree EP customer service is starting to slide. I decided to return my Phantom of the Opera with the defect. Customer service advised me to ship it back tracked and insured, however they will not pay or reimburse me for the tracked/insured return shipping. So I can use their free non-trackable, uninsured shipping label from their website. But if they say they didn't receive it, I would be out of luck and out a lot of money. Doesn't seem right to me. So paying for the return shipping, I'm actually losing money on this purchase. I think after I return it and get my refund, I'm giving up on this edition. Unless someone can post good news that they received one without the defect, I don't plan to try my luck ordering another one.

71mortalalliance
Edited: Nov 15, 2017, 2:06pm Top

>70 NotDownInAnyMap:

I'm not sure how that would pan out honestly. I would think if you returned it and they didn't receive the item you would still be able to dispute the charges on your credit card.

I've never returned an item with tracking/insurance and have always used their free labels. I haven't had any issues yet.

72NotDownInAnyMap
Nov 15, 2017, 2:23pm Top

>71 mortalalliance: I don't know how that would pan out either. I know the risk of the post office losing a package increases during the holidays, so I'd rather not take the risk. It was EP customer service who suggested I send it back with tracking/insurance, so there must be a good reason for it. Maybe they had an issue recently. I don't know. But I don't want to take a chance with a $375 book. It's also easier to dispute a credit card charge with some kind of proof of the return. So I guess being overly responsible is costing me, and I have to pay for peace of mind. I still wish EP would reimburse me for the shipping since the defect on the book is due to their error.

73treereader
Nov 15, 2017, 6:36pm Top

>72 NotDownInAnyMap:

The reason is simple: they don't view the gilt problem as a problem, so if you're going to return it, they want you to return it in the best condition they can get it back in...so they can resell it. If the reason for return was agreed upon by both sides as being a defect, they wouln't resell it. Since they feel that it is still perfect, it can be resold. Best drop it a few times before sending it back.

74HugoDumas
Nov 15, 2017, 7:39pm Top

>72 NotDownInAnyMap: I have sent books back costing $500 (split spine on Three Musketeers DLE) using their return label. Held my breath awaiting confirmation. Last 4 of 6 purchases were by their return label without a problem.

75Tolkienfan
Nov 16, 2017, 12:40pm Top

I have returned many books to EP using their labels and have never had a problem!

76Anna1851
Nov 16, 2017, 7:37pm Top

Update: I know the question came up if they actually checked all the remaining copies for the defect mentioned previously. I contacted customer service again and asked if "all" the copies where inspected or just a sampling. I made the argument that there must be at least one copy that does not have the "buff mark" as they say. This was their response:
"The metal die-cast design plate used for the “mask” gold gilding is the source of the printed image buff mark.
The same design plate was used for every Phantom book we printed so the image is identical on each one.
The design plate will not be changed and these signed edition books will not be re-printed. All of our Phantom books look exactly like the 2 books you received.
Please let us know if you will keep the copy you received or if you will be returning it.
Thank you.
Cordially,
Easton Press Customer Service"

77HugoDumas
Nov 16, 2017, 9:22pm Top

>76 Anna1851: if everyone returned books they were not happy with, EP would improve the quality of their product.

78jroger1
Edited: Nov 16, 2017, 9:53pm Top

>77 HugoDumas:
Or they could change their binder/printer. Surely Kingsport and BindTech aren't the only American companies that can handle orders this large. Or are they?

79iluvbeckett
Nov 16, 2017, 10:59pm Top

>76 Anna1851:: If all else fails, you could purchase some gold paint and gently daub over the offending area(s) of gilt, and be done with it :-/

80Anna1851
Nov 17, 2017, 1:22pm Top

>77 HugoDumas: Very true. I thought it was interesting that in every response to me they clearly stated they are not re-printing the book. I never asked if they would re-print it, so maybe they recognize that it is worthy to re-print. But they would suffer a great loss of profits to undergo a second production, so I can understand that.

>79 iluvbeckett: I would love if it were that easy. Gold paint may look too conspicuous against the real 22kt gold I think. But maybe I'm wrong. I wouldn't attempt it from fear of ruining the book.

81Wootle
Nov 17, 2017, 1:49pm Top

>80 Anna1851: Something else to think about. Generally, EP prints these larger run limiteds in two batches, and since it was just announced a short time ago, this is the first batch. I'm thinking they will fix the error for the second run. Although it may take a few years, you may be able to trade yours in later for a fresh copy from the second run. Assuming it is broken into two printings.

82fancythings
Nov 17, 2017, 3:30pm Top

I understand everyone's frustration here, paying so much and not getting exactly what you expected. Very expensive book though for flows like that, me think.

83treereader
Nov 17, 2017, 6:44pm Top

> 79,80

You know, you could always practice painting on a $10-20 copy of Moby Dick or something. Perfect your technique, then work on the expensive book.

84iluvbeckett
Nov 17, 2017, 8:35pm Top

>83 treereader:: :-O (emoticon alert!)

85Anna1851
Edited: Feb 9, 2018, 1:38am Top

I'm happy to say that some of you were right. I found a Phantom of the Opera DLE without the gilding defect.


86Wootle
Dec 13, 2017, 5:47pm Top

>85 Anna1851: Great pickup. I thought they were full of it when they told you no.

87Anna1851
Dec 13, 2017, 6:07pm Top

>86 Wootle: Thanks. I'm glad you and other members encouraged me to keep trying.

88SF-72
Dec 18, 2017, 2:54pm Top

I'm really glad I haven't given this one a try after all considering that shipping would be international and they were extremely difficult about return shipping the last time I received a defective copy. It's frustrating since this looks really nice in theory, but the risk of defects seems to be particularly high. At their price range they really should do better.

89ReadTree
Jan 13, 2018, 12:25pm Top

I've been pining after this for a while now, but it is well out of my price range with the dollar the way it is ($500 CAD). Dare I hope for a sale... It's a gorgeous volume.

90HugoDumas
Jan 13, 2018, 7:00pm Top

This is a gorgeous book. Just wondering did you guys actually like this book to warrant the cost? i keep a record of the hundreds of books I read and find I rated it three stars out of four.

91saintmelville
Jul 10, 2018, 12:49pm Top

Phantom has dropped off the EP site. Hopefully, the next batch is being printed. The original limitation number being 1200.

https://www.eastonpress.com/prod/112/3190/Gaston-Leroux-s-PHANTOM-OF-THE-OPERA

92GOBOGIE
Jul 10, 2018, 6:40pm Top

Let’s hope the next batch’s quality is better (referring to the spine/mask)

93NotDownInAnyMap
Jul 10, 2018, 7:14pm Top

>91 saintmelville: I returned a copy very recently, so maybe it will pop up on the website again. Otherwise, I hope they print another batch and fix the quality issue.

94ReadTree
Jul 11, 2018, 12:16pm Top

I emailed Easton, and the response I received is that it is sold out with no plans for a reprint.

95jroger1
Aug 2, 2018, 12:14am Top

I’m a little late to this party, especially considering that the book is no longer available from EP, but I just now got around to reading it - and decided not to. Neither the book itself nor the promotional material mention the name of the translator, always a bad sign. A little research showed that it was Alexander de Mattos in 1911, whose translation has been widely panned because it omitted around 100 pages of text scattered throughout the novel. So I’ve chosen to read David Coward’s 2012 unabridged translation in the Oxford World Classics edition instead.

This discovery is not only disappointing but surprising, because all the other illustrator-signed DLEs utilize the best (or close to the best) translations available.

Incidentally, my copy of the DLE (#240) does not have the defect many of you have described.

96HugoDumas
Edited: Aug 2, 2018, 12:05pm Top

>95 jroger1: do you know if the EP collectors edition, which was one of the three classics of horror set, suffered from the butchery of Mattos? Looking at my notes I rated that read only 3 stars. I sold it on eBay. But as I recall, it seemed to be a choppy disjointed read.

97jroger1
Edited: Aug 2, 2018, 11:49am Top

Yes, both editions use Mattos. I’ve checked a few passages in both and they are identical.

From what I was able to learn from various sources, Mattos omitted some of the action scenes as well as some of the character-building that he apparently thought was unnecessary, making it difficult to follow the story in places - kind of like what you are describing.

I’ve seen the play and the movies, but I haven’t read the book yet. I’m not expecting one of the greatest novels ever written, but, properly presented, it should be entertaining.

I don’t understand why EP would pinch pennies to this extent. Obtaining the rights to a more complete translation can’t be very expensive, as Oxford is selling its paperback for $10.01 on Amazon and the Kindle edition for $5.24.

98treereader
Aug 2, 2018, 12:04pm Top

>97 jroger1:

What if the rights for it are priced as a percentage of the selling price of the book or of the book's net sales? For EP that could be rather expensive.

99HugoDumas
Edited: Aug 2, 2018, 12:15pm Top

>97 jroger1: great....I knew something was wrong when I read the novel. In my opinion both the play and movie were superior to the Mattos translation.

More common then most people know. I compared the original beautiful Chapman and Hall Mysteries of Paris to a modern translation and was shocked at the editorial changes.

100jroger1
Edited: Aug 2, 2018, 12:33pm Top

>98 treereader:
Maybe you’re right. I don’t know anything about such things. But the 1,200 DLEs would deprive Oxford of at most 1,200 sales - a relatively insignificant sum.

101treereader
Aug 2, 2018, 3:12pm Top

>100 jroger1:

Yeah, I have no idea how those contracts are made, either...I'm just speculating.

102Wootle
Nov 23, 2018, 4:26pm Top

This question is only for forum readers who purchased this book. It was available for 11 months with a 1200 copy printing. As we have seen from other books in this series, some of them get broken up into two printings. I am trying to determine if EP printed 600 copies of 1200 copies. They claim it was 1200, but I have my doubts.

Please only answer the poll if you purchased this.

Is your limitation number lower than 600?

Vote: 600 or lower?

Current tally: Yes 2, No 2

104supercell
Jan 14, 8:15pm Top

103: Sounds like some folks were goofing around in Wootle's poll...

Glad to see it back, though. One year was pretty fast even for just the first half, so this probably needs to be picked up rather sooner than later.

105booksforreading
Jan 14, 10:32pm Top

Judging by what was said in the posts above, the translation used in this edition is not good. It is a beautiful book, and illustrations are beautiful, but books are made to be read, and if the translation is not good, plus parts of the work are missing (again, as some posters have indicated), there is no reason (for me) to get excited about this book reappearing on the website.

106supercell
Jan 15, 6:13am Top

105: Oh, well, I usually try to read everything in the original language, so I probably would need to get a French edition to read on the side, anyway. The good thing about old, out-of-copyright translations is that they can be directly shipped abroad, thereby cutting my costs by approx. 18 % (I am not sure if you would be willing to pay $457 for the Phantom or $482 for the Metamorphosis - but, unfortunately, the latter is what it is). I wish EP would stick to older works originally published in English, though, as getting those is much easier to justify.

108NotDownInAnyMap
Edited: Feb 15, 3:15pm Top

I received my Phantom of the Opera DLE from this second printing. It appears the quality issues were fixed with this batch. All the gilding, including on the mask, is flawless. I can't compare side by side, but I believe the gilding is far superior than the first printing. It's nice and even, and perfectly thick, not thin and blotchy like it was previously. I'm very pleased the previous quality issues were addressed. Now I have a copy that I am happy with and received my free book from the promotion as well.

109hamletscamaro
Apr 1, 2:42pm Top

Reviving this thread again. So I ordered and just received this DLE. I was curious to see which Edition number I would receive since this disappeared for some time after the "first half" of the 1200 production run was produced, and we awaited the second half to be printed. I don't think that we were certain of this interim pause, but it seems to be fairly common for many of their DLE books, possibly for their regular books as well.

Anyway, I would have thought that they would produce books 1-600 with the first run, and return with 601-1200 on the second run. However, as Easton is always trying to keep us guessing, I actually received edition #317. I know Easton has never shipped their book sequentially, but would have thought they would number them sequentially. I've checked and my edition doesn't have any production flaws that I can find, and I had no issue with the mask printed on the spine as previously noted by early recipients, so it is possible that they halted the initial run early and revised for QC improvements before resuming.

This is all supposition, and I really don't know what any of this really means. I simply found my receipt of edition #317 interesting as I expected a much later edition.

110jroger1
Apr 1, 3:01pm Top

#109
Perhaps EP prints only 300 at a time instead of our presumed 600. Or perhaps they number them randomly within the limitation regardless of the print run. That would explain the responses from 2 members to Wootle’s survey (post #102 above) who said they received numbers above 600 in the first print run.

111supercell
Apr 1, 3:38pm Top

109: It is also possible that the original copy #317 of the first print run was deemed flawed and was withdrawn from circulation, and EP simply recycled the number when printing the second batch.

112treereader
Apr 1, 11:08pm Top

>111 supercell:

I'd be more willing to believe that #317 was returned, put into a random pile of other returns to be sorted and evaluated at a later time, then if found to be in good enough condition at that future date, sold to a new buyer. There's definitely a bell curve of quality, a bell curve of what customers will accept in quality, and a need to align the two as best as possible.

113hamletscamaro
Apr 2, 10:46pm Top

>111 supercell:, that could be a possibility, although I'm not sure what would happen to the original. If they do replace, they might destroy the original since I haven't seen these on the secondary (and I know there has been a thread on non-numbered editions of DLEs on eBay and elsewhere.)

>112 treereader:, I might be more forgiving than some on quality issues, but I have pretty thoroughly reviewed this book and can't find any issues. This book even came with that familiar "crack" as you open the cover for the first time since the binding is brand new. I don't think this book has been viewed since leaving the factory.

The only issue that I note with this book is the leather has the "new" smoother leather without the printed texture. That and some additional light dusting of gold glitter on the canvas slip case. Otherwise, the gold gilt work is strong and bold without the over-pressed "blur" that EP standard editions often have. I think the quality on this DLE is first rate. I am happy with it.

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