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2018 CATs planning thread

2018 Category Challenge

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1rabbitprincess
Edited: Sep 24, 2017, 8:40am Top

Step right up and propose ideas for next year's CATs! I will keep a list in this post.

PROPOSED CATs

ClassicsCAT / LegacyCAT
RandomCAT - proposal to turn this into a KIT for 2018 to give some new CATS a chance
ColourCAT
MysteryCAT
SeriesCAT
YoungCAT (YA literature)
GenreCAT
HistoryCAT
BioCAT
ThrillCAT / ScaredyCAT (thriller, mystery and horror)

2VivienneR
Edited: Sep 13, 2017, 3:44pm Top

My favourite is RandomCAT, I hope it continues next year.

ETA: I realize this CAT has been going for at least a couple of years so it may not be a popular choice. However, it has the right format style for a KIT.

3christina_reads
Sep 13, 2017, 4:19pm Top

I'm wondering how many CATs we should do this year -- or should we set a limit at all? In past years, the norm has been three CATs, but in 2017 we had four, plus two KITs. That seemed to work out fine, but did anyone find it overwhelming? Did the CAT discussions suffer because there were too many different CATs and KITs going on (and thus not enough participation in any particular CAT)? Or were people excited to have a large variety of CATs to choose from? I don't particularly have an opinion on this, but I thought the question should be raised!

4LisaMorr
Sep 13, 2017, 5:04pm Top

I couldn't keep up with them all this year, but I think that's because my series focus didn't mesh well with most CATs - but they may very well have had a decent (or minimum) amount of participation.

5clue
Sep 13, 2017, 7:20pm Top

>2 VivienneR: I enjoy the Random CAT too and will participate again this year if it's available.

6mathgirl40
Sep 13, 2017, 8:03pm Top

>3 christina_reads: I'd prefer a limit on the number of CATs. Three is ideal, but I'm also OK with four. I did find it difficult to do all four CAT challenges every month.

7LittleTaiko
Sep 13, 2017, 8:55pm Top

For me having three or four is ideal since it offers variety for everyone. I know that I'll only participate regularly in a couple (RandomCAT and one other). Really enjoyed the WomenCAT this year. Not sure if I have any suggestions just yet for CAT's for next year. I might need to see what didn't make the cut last year to see if there is something that we could consider.

8majkia
Sep 13, 2017, 8:57pm Top

I'd like to see a CAT a bit less complex than some of the later ones. Maybe a color CAT where we'd read a book related to a particular color in some whay every month. I need easier!

9mathgirl40
Sep 13, 2017, 9:24pm Top

I'd love to do a MysteryCAT again! I also like the proposed idea of a ClassicsCAT.

10LibraryCin
Sep 13, 2017, 11:05pm Top

>3 christina_reads: I still like 3 CATs. I am doing ok with 4, but if we go back to three, I feel like I might be able to participate a bit more in other challenges/groups, as well. Just my thoughts.

11LibraryCin
Sep 13, 2017, 11:05pm Top

>9 mathgirl40: I'd love another MysteryCAT, as well!

12LibraryCin
Sep 13, 2017, 11:08pm Top

I think I suggested these last year (or someone has suggested them in the past), and they didn't have a lot of support, I don't think, but I still like the ideas of them and I'll try again:

SeriesCAT (each month would focus on a different type of series: maybe, mystery series, dystopia series, sci-fi series, fantasy series... something like that)

YA (Young Adult)CAT (maybe a different genre or topic each month, but we read YA books)

GenreCAT (I think this one is obvious!)

13LibraryCin
Sep 13, 2017, 11:08pm Top

I'd also do another RandomCAT or HistoryCAT.

I know people found the format of HistoryCAT confusing with two options (topic + time frame), but maybe we could just choose one?

14LibraryCin
Sep 13, 2017, 11:09pm Top

I'll also once again suggest a BiographyCAT (or BioCAT).

15rabbitprincess
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 4:37am Top

I've added all the ideas mentioned to the list in >1 rabbitprincess:.

As a reminder from the group reads thread: the ClassicsCAT was proposed as a way to read the classics that you might not have read in school. fuzzi has a short list in the thread.

For this CAT/group read (whatever it ends up being), we could structure it like the author challenges in the 75ers and have one male classic and one female classic each month, so 24 classics to choose from.

With regard to encore CATs, if we do decide to do, say, a MysteryCAT or HistoryCAT again, perhaps we can take the old framework and either reuse it entirely or tweak it to make it fresh. (I am lazy and if we can reuse the hard work everyone put in last time, that would be great!)

16rabbitprincess
Sep 14, 2017, 4:37am Top

Personally, I will always participate in a RandomCAT when it is offered, because it is a fun way to choose something unexpected. Everyone is so creative in coming up with a theme and often there are great stories associated with the choice of theme.

I would likely dip into a ClassicsCAT or group read, and I'd be up for an encore of the Mystery or History CATs.

17MarthaJeanne
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 4:57am Top

I think that just having one or two classics each month would be very limiting. There ought to be some way of widening the possible books each month to give a variety of choices.

Here's an idea related to the classics:
How about a Legacy CAT! Each month we have one or two Legacy Libraries highlighted. We read a book from that library.

18MissWatson
Sep 14, 2017, 7:03am Top

My personal favourite is the RandomCAT, so I would love to see it return. I found four CATs a little overwhelming, so I skipped a month occasionally, but that didn't bother me very much so I'll be fine with the final turnout.

I find MarthaJeanne's idea for a LegacyCAT intriguing. How would or could the selection of the Legacy Libraries work?

19mathgirl40
Sep 14, 2017, 7:12am Top

>17 MarthaJeanne: I too would prefer to see a larger range of possible books in the ClassicCAT, so that we get a good amount of participation. How about themes along the lines of "translated classics", "modern classics", "classic plays" or "children's classics"?

I'd be OK going with a single author like Austen or Shakespeare for some of the months if we could allow all derivative works as well.

20rabbitprincess
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 8:11am Top

>17 MarthaJeanne: Oooo! That is a cool idea! I like it.

And you are right in that having only one or two proposed classics would be too limiting. We can always have a group read of specific classics if the LegacyCAT doesn't make the cut.

21clue
Sep 14, 2017, 9:15am Top

>17 MarthaJeanne: To be honest I haven't spent much time looking at legacy libraries but I think this is an idea well worth pursuing.

22RidgewayGirl
Sep 14, 2017, 10:42am Top

RandomCAT remains my favorite. I hope it continues. Looking forward to seeing what we all come up with.

Three CATs is my preference. I kept losing track of what the month's possible CAT themes were each month, as my brain can't hold four topics, apparently.

23VivienneR
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 1:33pm Top

I too found four CATs too much to keep up with this year. I did three and tried to fit in the fourth but with little success.

Sometimes I'd like something a bit less taxing like >8 majkia:'s idea.

>17 MarthaJeanne:'s suggestion for a LegacyCAT sounds promising.

24christina_reads
Sep 14, 2017, 1:57pm Top

Would there be any interest in a revival of the sci-fi/fantasy/speculative fiction CAT? It was an "official" CAT in 2015, and it appeared in 2016 and 2017 as a KIT. If it's not selected as an official CAT for 2018, I suspect it will continue its life as a KIT, but either way I'd like to keep it in the mix of possibilities!

I also love many of the CATs suggested above. The ColorCAT and SeriesCAT are particularly appealing, since it seems like their monthly themes would be fairly broad, meaning it would be easy for me to find something from my TBR that works.

And like many others, I always enjoy the RandomCAT! But I wonder...if we decide to limit the number of official CATs to 3 (or even 4), should we consider turning it into a recurring KIT, like the AlphaKIT is now? That way we'd still have the option to participate, but it wouldn't take up one of the 3-4 official CAT slots. I know that in past years, some people have argued that the RandomCAT should be retired to make way for new CATs that we haven't done before. While I'd be happy to see the RandomCAT return, I think making it a KIT might be a good compromise.

25Chrischi_HH
Sep 14, 2017, 3:50pm Top

I love the RandomCAT and would love to see it return. I also enjoyed the GeoCAT and CATWoman, just like I could imagine participating in a ClassicsCAT or LegacyCAT.

The idea of a simple ColourCAT is appealing, and if that one is chosen I could even think of skipping the RandomCAT for one year. I mean, you could connect whatever to a colour (such as blue --> blueberry, ocean, or sky) and make it broader than only the colour itself.

Generally I prefer 3 CATs. My participation will be limited, though, because with 2-4 books per months it is quite hard to manage to participate everywhere. Dipping in and out is fun, though, and IÄll continue to do so (and collect BBs...).

26sturlington
Sep 14, 2017, 4:32pm Top

I found four CATs a bit much to keep up with, but the CATs this year didn't really mesh well with my regular reading, so that may have been a factor. I participated most in AlphaKIT and RandomCAT and wouldn't mind seeing RandomCAT become a permanent KIT.

Since we already have a lot of ideas, I'll just throw another one in the mix: ThrillCAT. This might be an opportunity to explore some genres we haven't previously focused on. Some subcategories I can think of are action and adventure, war and espionage, legal/political/medical, techno thrillers, survival and disaster, crime. I'm sure we could come up with others.

27LisaMorr
Sep 14, 2017, 5:30pm Top

I would definitely participate in a sci fi/fantasy/spec fiction CAT or KIT. I like the idea of a BioCAT and some kind of ClassicCAT. RandomCAT is always fun - I would support it as a KIT as well.

28DeltaQueen50
Sep 14, 2017, 5:55pm Top

So far I like all the suggestions, but I did find 4 Cats difficult to keep up with this year, especially as I participate in the SFFFKit and the AlphaKit. The RandomCat has been so creative this year and I look forward to it as I usually am able to find a read among my own books, so whether it remains a Cat or becomes a Kit, I will participate in that one.

29LibraryCin
Sep 14, 2017, 7:05pm Top

>19 mathgirl40: If we did a ClassicsCAT, this, as suggested by mathgirl I too would prefer to see a larger range of possible books in the ClassicCAT, so that we get a good amount of participation. How about themes along the lines of "translated classics", "modern classics", "classic plays" or "children's classics"? is what I would have pictured.

To be honest, I'm not a bit fan of classics, but I do try to participate each month for whatever is chosen.

30LibraryCin
Sep 14, 2017, 7:05pm Top

>20 rabbitprincess: And if this is what ClassicsCAT turned out to be And you are right in that having only one or two proposed classics would be too limiting., I wouldn't be joining in.

31LibraryCin
Sep 14, 2017, 7:06pm Top

>17 MarthaJeanne: Can someone please explain "legacy" libraries, and therefore how a LegacyCAT would work? Thank you.

32LibraryCin
Sep 14, 2017, 7:08pm Top

>25 Chrischi_HH: I also enjoyed the GeoCAT and CATWoman

If I'm remembering correctly, I think we don't usually repeat a CAT two years in a row? Are we still doing that?

I also think we've done GeoCAT twice, or am I remembering that wrong?

33LibraryCin
Sep 14, 2017, 7:09pm Top

>26 sturlington: ThrillCAT.

Oooooooh, I like it!

34fuzzi
Edited: Sep 14, 2017, 9:14pm Top

>9 mathgirl40: me too!

>15 rabbitprincess: oh, I like the idea of a choice of either a male or female author each month for a ClassicCAT. If someone has already read the classic by one author for the month, they could tackle the other.

The reason I was thinking of a Classics "group read" sort of involvement was to help encourage reading of something that some of us have not yet read. There are many "classics" that have been left to languish in dust on the shelves without going into other genres of "classics".

My thoughts of classics were along the lines of "Robinson Crusoe", "Gulliver's Travels", "Pilgrim's Progress", and "Canterbury Tales".

I like the idea of CATs, but if a CAT doesn't interest me, I just follow a KIT (like AlphaKIT or SFFFKIT) or go read something else. I won't "have kittens" over the fact I can't find a book to match the CAT of the month. :)

35MarthaJeanne
Edited: Sep 15, 2017, 3:23am Top

>31 LibraryCin: Members of LibraryThing sometimes catalogue the books of famous dead people, when the information is available.

https://www.librarything.com/groups/iseedeadpeoplesbooks
http://www.librarything.com/legacylibraries
Example: http://www.librarything.com/profile/marilynmonroelibrary

Each month would feature the library of one or two of these people. It would be easy to pick books because of the 'Books you share' and 'What should you borrow' features. I assume that if the person is an author you could also chose one of his/her books.

If I look at libraries of even recent people, many of the books those features show me are those considered classics. In fact, if you wanted to make sure that a certain classic was included, like Gulliver's Travels, the members page gives a list of legacy libraries that include it. For example, Marie Antoinette owned both that and Robinson Crusoe

36mathgirl40
Sep 15, 2017, 8:33am Top

Would there be any interest in a HorrorCAT? Several years ago, this was proposed but was not chosen as one of the 3 final CATs. There was enough interest that we decided to offer a HorrorKIT. One LT member asked if we could form a separate group for the benefit of people who were not part of the Category Challenge. So we did and the monthly challenges have been continuing for a few years.

However, at this point, the non-CC members have been inactive for a while, and there remains a small but dedicated group that consists of all CC members. So we figure it's time to bring our horror reading back here.

Anyhow, I'll go ahead and propose a HorrorCAT. If it doesn't get chosen, we'll try to round up enough interest for a HorrorKIT. Speaking for just myself and not the others, I'd also be OK with skipping the horror challenge one year and doing a ThrillerCAT if that gets chosen. I expect there would be some overlap in themes.

Maybe we should have a ScaryCAT or ScaredyCAT to encompass both Horror and Thriller?

37sturlington
Sep 15, 2017, 9:31am Top

>36 mathgirl40: As one of the HorrorKIT members, I would be glad to see it move back here, since it's easier for me to keep up with one group. :-)

I would be interested in a HorrorKIT or, better yet, doing a ThrillCAT that would encompass some horror. Since I've been participating in the HorrorKIT, I've nearly exhausted my backlog of horror reading, but a ThrillCAT would presumably expand the choices.

I like ScaredyCAT but I think thrillers could also include non-scary books, like action or spy novels.

38mathgirl40
Sep 15, 2017, 10:12am Top

>37 sturlington: Yes, I agree that thrillers would include lots of non-scary books, so maybe it's best not to merge the ideas. I would love to have one of ThrillerCAT, HorrorCAT or MysteryCAT, or any of them in KIT form, but probably not more than one, as there would be too much overlap.

39luvamystery65
Sep 15, 2017, 10:36am Top

>36 mathgirl40: & >37 sturlington: I second adding some horror to the ThrillCAT. I've been following the Horror! group since it started and I'd love to see it brought over to the CC for 2018 either incorporated into a proposed CAT or as a KIT.

For anyone that is hesitant to read horror, I was nervous when it was first proposed, but decided to push my boundaries. I don't always choose a book that is a strict "horror" genre in my monthly selections. There is much to read in Gothic, Victorian, Mystery and Thriller genres that lends itself to horror. Even some children's and YA books lend themselves to horror themes.

40majkia
Sep 15, 2017, 11:43am Top

I read a few horror books, but not enough for one a month. ThrillCAT including horror would be a good solution. Besides, I never know where the boundaries are of Thriller/mystery/horror.

41mathgirl40
Sep 15, 2017, 12:27pm Top

I probably didn't make it clear in my last message, but I would definitely support a ThrillCAT that encompassed some possibilities for horror as an alternative to doing a HorrorCAT. It sounds like my fellow members in the Horror group feel the same way, so maybe it'll be best to withdraw my proposal for HorrorCAT.

42DeltaQueen50
Edited: Sep 15, 2017, 5:53pm Top

I like the idea of a ThrillCat that would include some horror.

ETA: I also love the idea of creating a LegacyCat around the Legacy Libraries as this would give us a wide choice of book to choose from.

43VivienneR
Sep 15, 2017, 8:00pm Top

I like thrills combined with horror too, and the name ScaredyCAT really appeals to me for this combination. ColourCAT also sounds good. I'd participate in both.

44LibraryCin
Sep 15, 2017, 8:05pm Top

>35 MarthaJeanne: Thank you for explaining LegacyCAT! I appreciate it!

45LibraryCin
Sep 15, 2017, 8:06pm Top

>36 mathgirl40: I would love a HorrorCAT, but (full disclosure), I am part of the spin-off Horror group, as well!

I do love this idea, though: Maybe we should have a ScaryCAT or ScaredyCAT to encompass both Horror and Thriller?

46rabbitprincess
Sep 16, 2017, 3:09am Top

ScaredyCAT! Genius! I am adding that name to the list up top.

47mathgirl40
Sep 16, 2017, 7:56am Top

>46 rabbitprincess: In >37 sturlington: pointed out that there are many thrillers that aren't considered scary. However, I think we can just use the name as a catch-all for thrillers plus horror and not require that books be very frightening. Actually, I find some spy thrillers very scary. I get scared every time I watch Hitchcock's Notorious. :)

48sturlington
Sep 16, 2017, 8:26am Top

>47 mathgirl40: It is a great name. :-)

49mathgirl40
Sep 16, 2017, 8:44am Top

>48 sturlington: Thanks! :)

50whitewavedarling
Sep 16, 2017, 12:55pm Top

I love the ideas of a ThrillCat, ColourCat, and LegacyCat. I'm also a long-time RandomCat participant--whether that's a Cat or a Kit, I'll participate. That said, I'd be involved in many of the other Cats that have been mentioned, too!

All that said, I feel like maybe this was brought up before (last year or another year...), but I'll say it here: I think it makes sense to have four Cats if we have the RandomCat. One of the arguments for it being a Cat is that it does have so many longtime participants, so it might as well be considered a main challenge, but if that's the case, there should be four so that there's plenty of room for other options.

I also like there being four because, more often than not, there's at least one Cat that doesn't mesh well with my TBR stack or my interests, and my over-arching goal for participating in the challenges is to try to work through my TBR mountain. I imagine I'm not the only one, so having four cats allows folks to sort of opt out of one Cat that doesn't really mesh with their tastes/needs while still getting a lot out of the Cats by participating in the others.

Last, I'll say that I was one of the folks who tried to keep up with the horror challenge when it moved off of the main 2018 category challenge page, but had a hard time keeping up with it because it was separated, and I didn't have the reminder of it here on the main group. I'd love to see it come back over this way, and would absolutely participate, though I'd still probably fall off for some of the less-horror reads.

51LibraryCin
Sep 16, 2017, 2:38pm Top

>50 whitewavedarling: All that said, I feel like maybe this was brought up before (last year or another year...), but I'll say it here: I think it makes sense to have four Cats if we have the RandomCat.

Psychologically, maybe we should just call it a RandomKIT, then, and still have 3 CATs? It amounts to the same thing, but from a psychological perspective... :-)

I love RandomCAT and will keep going, but I, for whatever reason, lean more towards trying for the CATs than the KITs. I have less "guilt" if I skip a KIT!

52rabbitprincess
Sep 16, 2017, 2:44pm Top

I love the random too, and could certainly live with it being a KIT next year if others want to have new official CATs! :)

53whitewavedarling
Sep 16, 2017, 3:53pm Top

>51 LibraryCin:, that probably makes sense :) Personally, I don't care whether something is a Kit or a Cat, just so long as it's there! I only feel guilt about skipping something if I tell myself at the beginning of the year that I'm going to meet the challenge, but that has more to do with theme than Kit vs. Cat!

54sushicat
Edited: Sep 17, 2017, 8:50am Top

I don't really see a difference between a CAT and a KIT - they're all kitties in my book...

I really like the RandomCAT - it's my favorite this year. I would love any sort of ScaredyCAT (love that name). I would not participate in a ClassicCAT if it was based on a short list for each month, I would try if it was based on genre or periods though. I'm not enthusiastic about the YoungCAT or the BioCAT - while I'm fine with these boundaries for a monthly read, I find them too restrictive for a yearly theme. I would be interested in a GenreCAT or a HistoryCAT or a GeoCAT.

55sallylou61
Sep 18, 2017, 8:49pm Top

Re number of CATs: I think that we should consider how the vote comes out before deciding definitely on the number of CATs. For example, if the third and fourth place votes are either tied or very close (within one or two votes of each other), I would suggest doing both instead of having a runoff. Some of us were very disappointed two years ago when the WomanCAT lost by only one or two votes, and the membership decided to have only three CATs. We ended up doing a Woman BingoPUP, which turned out to be fun. This past year, I strongly supported having the fourth CAT (the CultureCAT) remembering how disappointed we had been the year before concerning WomanCAT.

Nobody needs to read all the CATs (or any of the CATs); it is up to the individual reader. However, if there is a strong vote for a CAT, it is better not to disappoint people.

56sallylou61
Sep 18, 2017, 8:54pm Top

>14 LibraryCin: How are you planning to structure BioCAT? By field such as authors, artists, etc.? By period in history? Some other way?

57LibraryCin
Sep 18, 2017, 10:56pm Top

I was thinking more like your suggestion of "field" or topic, maybe?

- Celebrities, politicians, royalty... can't think of a good word, but maybe people dealing with medical issues?

Obviously, that's only a few, but that's along the lines of what I was thinking. If other people have other ideas, though, things usually morph as we discuss. :-)

58Kristelh
Sep 21, 2017, 9:52pm Top

This year I found it very hard to keep up with the cats. I probably did the best with only 2 (one kit and one Cat or a KitCat, you might say. (Award and SciFi). I will hang out a see how things develop.

59leslie.98
Sep 22, 2017, 1:29pm Top

I have also found it hard to keep up with the CATs this year but I think that is partly due to the fact I wasn't very interested in several of them.

I thought the suggestion that RandomCAT be turned into a KIT next year a good one.

60rabbitprincess
Edited: Sep 22, 2017, 6:36pm Top

OK, perhaps we should start voting on our choices soon. I'm thinking of putting up the survey (or LT polls, if I can figure out how to do them) on October 1 and giving everyone until 11:59 p.m. PDT October 16 to vote. So you'd have until October 1 to propose any new CAT ideas and provide a rough framework for what sort of ideas you envision the CAT covering. Is that all right? I don't want to rush anybody, but at the same time I don't want to leave things hanging for too long.

61LibraryCin
Sep 22, 2017, 7:15pm Top

>60 rabbitprincess: I think that sounds fair!

62VivienneR
Sep 22, 2017, 7:50pm Top

>60 rabbitprincess: Sounds good! I like to have the CATs chosen before I start my thread.

And, whatever is chosen will be fine with me. Since joining the challenge a few years ago I've participated every month in every CAT except one and it was always a lot of fun - especially when I had to hunt for a book to fit.

63LittleTaiko
Sep 23, 2017, 2:28pm Top

>60 rabbitprincess: - Sounds fair to me. I'm looking forward to seeing the options fleshed out a bit more.

64mathgirl40
Sep 23, 2017, 6:37pm Top

For the ScaredyCAT, which is intended to include thriller, horror and mystery, I thought that topics that could fit more than one genre would be good. For example: serial killers, psychological, adapted-to-film, espionage, gothic, supernatural, noir. In the Horror group, one of the more popular themes was "Stephen King and family", and I'd love to see that again.

65whitewavedarling
Sep 23, 2017, 7:35pm Top

>64 mathgirl40:, I like that suggestion!

66Kristelh
Sep 23, 2017, 8:42pm Top

>64 mathgirl40: That is well thought out, I like it and it seems to be quite flexible.

67sturlington
Sep 24, 2017, 12:22pm Top

>64 mathgirl40: That's a good approach. Here are some other topics that could fit: travel and adventure or exotic locales or something similar; survival and disasters; war (I thought war might go well with espionage); crime/police; domestic/romantic (which might go well with gothic). You could also organize a couple of months around professions such as legal/medical or science/technical.

68mathgirl40
Sep 24, 2017, 12:47pm Top

>67 sturlington: Those are all excellent ideas!

69Robertgreaves
Sep 26, 2017, 8:05pm Top

I use the felines to choose what next to read from my real and virtual TBR shelves. If there isn't anything that fits from a particular feline, shrug.

Having said that, my favourites are RandomFELINE and AlphaFELINE. Of the suggestions so far, I think I prefer the wider forms of Classics -- either a theme or choose from X's LegacyLibrary. ColourCAT would be nice and easy to see what fits. I would definitely be interested in a MysteryCAT and HistoryCAT (I liked the combination of theme and period - if I didn't have one, I had the other). GenreCAT I would have to see how it actually broke down.

I enjoyed CATWoman this year: even if I didn't have something that fitted, I consciously gave women authors priority in the other felines.

70rabbitprincess
Sep 26, 2017, 8:24pm Top

I'm thinking I might make a proper survey with ranked ballots, rather than polls, because it seems we all like the idea of most of these CATs :)

71LibraryCin
Sep 26, 2017, 11:28pm Top

>69 Robertgreaves: (I liked the combination of theme and period - if I didn't have one, I had the other)

I actually liked the combination, as well, but I remember some not liking the way it worked.

72leslie.98
Sep 28, 2017, 11:41am Top

Is there going to be a BingoDOG again in 2018?

73rabbitprincess
Sep 28, 2017, 6:27pm Top

>72 leslie.98: I don't see why not, as long as we have someone willing to collate all of the suggestions for squares!

74LibraryCin
Sep 28, 2017, 10:19pm Top

>72 leslie.98: I love to do another BingoDOG!

75christina_reads
Sep 29, 2017, 1:01pm Top

I'm definitely in for a BingoDOG next year as well!

76sushicat
Sep 30, 2017, 2:16am Top

I enjoyed the BingoDog and would love a repeat.

77rabbitprincess
Oct 1, 2017, 3:19pm Top

OK, I've created a poll on SurveyMonkey to vote on this year's CATs. I decided to go with yes/no questions as in previous years, rather than fiddling around with a ranked ballot.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Y88PSFM

If I've created this properly, you should have until October 16 at 11:59 PDT to answer the questions. The three CATs with the highest Yes scores will be our CATs.

I'm taking it as given that we're making the RandomCAT a RandomKIT to make room for the new felines.

I'm also assuming we're doing BingoDOG. Stay tuned for a planning thread and another survey to collect ideas for squares.

78RidgewayGirl
Oct 1, 2017, 3:28pm Top

Please don't take it as a given that the RandomCAT is now a KIT. Is there a reason we can't at least see what people want?

79rabbitprincess
Edited: Oct 1, 2017, 3:42pm Top

OK, I've made a separate RandomCAT survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YVG3679

80LittleTaiko
Oct 1, 2017, 3:36pm Top

I'd be happy to collect the ideas for the BingoDOG squares and attempt to get the cards set up. I have the instructions from LShelby for how to do the cards and can see if I can make it work. If not, maybe somebody else who is more technologically advanced than me can give it a go.

81rabbitprincess
Edited: Oct 1, 2017, 3:43pm Top

>80 LittleTaiko: That would be great! Thanks!

82rabbitprincess
Oct 1, 2017, 4:40pm Top

TO RECAP: There are two surveys for voting for this year's CATs. See posts >77 rabbitprincess: and >79 rabbitprincess: for the links.

Post >77 rabbitprincess: has the survey for all the new (or new-ish) CATs being proposed.
Post >79 rabbitprincess: has a separate RandomCAT survey with two questions: do you want a RandomCAT, and would you be OK with making it a KIT if necessary (if it makes the top 4 but we'd rather have just 3 official CATs).

I will be including RandomCAT in the overall ranking, even though it's in a separate survey. So if RandomCAT makes the top 4 and most people want to keep it a CAT, then it would be a CAT rather than a KIT.

83majkia
Oct 1, 2017, 5:00pm Top

Great. Thanks RP!

84clue
Oct 1, 2017, 6:02pm Top

Thanks for giving your time to this...I'm already looking forward to next year's reading!

85Robertgreaves
Oct 1, 2017, 11:01pm Top

For the CATs survey, could we have a maybe option? There are some I would do but wouldn't want to vote for in case they knock my top 3 or 4 out.

86Roro8
Oct 2, 2017, 2:44am Top

Thanks for setting up the voting RP. That was very easy to complete (as a voter), and I liked seeing the graphs at the end.

87VivienneR
Oct 2, 2017, 11:39am Top

>82 rabbitprincess: Thanks for organizing the voting, it was easy and straightforward. I wish I could watch how results are progressing but I'll just have to wait - and that's fun too, like waiting for Santa.

>80 LittleTaiko: Thank you for your offer to set up BingoDOG. Much appreciated.

88rabbitprincess
Oct 2, 2017, 6:20pm Top

>85 Robertgreaves: Hm, that would be a conundrum, and one that I didn't think of! I'll have to do that next year. (I already screwed up the survey by not including the RandomCAT in the first one, so I'd rather not mess about with it more at this point.) For this year, there's nothing stopping any of the CATs being offered as KITs if there's someone willing to run them :)

Thank you for your comments and feedback so far!

89DeusXMachina
Oct 3, 2017, 4:25am Top

#77 by rabbitprincess> Would it be possible to get an explanation for new members what these CATs exactly mean? I can guess what SeriesCAT or MysteryCAT are (still just a guess, though), but I've no idea what hides behind terms like BioCat or LegacyCat.

91rabbitprincess
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 8:13pm Top

>90 MarthaJeanne: Thanks, MarthaJeanne, for linking to the previous posts!

>89 DeusXMachina: Thanks for asking! :) MysteryCAT, HistoryCAT, and RandomCAT have all been done in previous years. If you want ideas on what a MysteryCAT might look like, search for the 2014 Category Challenge group. The HistoryCAT was in 2015, and we've had RandomCATs every year since 2013.

92sushicat
Oct 6, 2017, 3:10pm Top

I just took the survey and looking at the results, there is a possibility that both the MysteryCAT and the ScaredyCAT could be in the top three. Though I like both of them I would not really want to do both at the same time...

93rabbitprincess
Oct 6, 2017, 7:12pm Top

>92 sushicat: That's a valid point. Ideally the three official CATs will be different enough to give most people at least one challenge of interest each month. We'll see how the results shake out, then decide what to do.

94whitewavedarling
Oct 8, 2017, 1:47pm Top

>92 sushicat: and >93 rabbitprincess:, Maybe there could be a discussion of whether or not there'd be a way to keep the mysteries category to traditional mysteries, and keep the Scaredycat focus elsewhere?

I only mention this because of what I experienced with the horrorcat a year or two ago when it moved over to a separate grouping. I LOVE horror, but the topic was made so broad, to cover so much territory, that its reaches end up making a lot of the months of less interest to me; I didn't keep up with a lot of the threads because it seemed like so many of the reads were branching away from what I considered horror.

So, that leads me to wonder about whether, if they both made it, we could move forward with keeping that distinct line in place?

Just a thought :)

95RidgewayGirl
Oct 8, 2017, 2:45pm Top

Does anyone know how to change one's vote?

96mathgirl40
Oct 8, 2017, 3:25pm Top

>94 whitewavedarling: I agree with keeping the distinction between MysteryCAT and ScaredyCAT. Even though mystery had been mentioned, I think the intention of the ScaredyCAT was mainly to cover thriller and horror together. The mystery genre is so broad that it probably shouldn't be included in another CAT (other than its own MysteryCAT, I mean).

>92 sushicat: I too would not want both CATs to be chosen in the same year. If both end up with a lot of votes, I'd prefer to do just one of them. The other would likely be a strong contender for the following year.

97LibraryCin
Oct 8, 2017, 5:27pm Top

And im thinking if they both are in the top, at that point we keep the distinction. But if, for instance, scaredycat makes it, but not mysterycat, then we could include mystery in the scaredycat. Probably best to see how it plays out in votes, thaen decide if we need to.

98Raspberrymocha
Oct 10, 2017, 11:10am Top

>97 LibraryCin: Been reading through the CAT suggestions. I'm glad you suggested this group to me. Looks like fun for 2018. Thanks!

99sturlington
Oct 10, 2017, 11:49am Top

>97 LibraryCin: If ScaredyCAT is chosen, I would really like to see it as an opportunity to explore some genres we haven't previously read together here. That's why I would like to see the focus on horror and thriller genres, as opposed to mystery (although of course there is some overlap). If MysteryCAT is chosen as well, it could focus on more traditional mystery genres such as cozy, detective, police procedural, etc. whereas ScaredyCAT could offer the opportunity to explore some different genres (espionage, adventure, psychological suspense, ghost stories, etc.). People could elect to read mysteries for these categories, but I wouldn't want the categories to reflect the subcategories that are typically associated with the mystery genre.

I myself don't read a lot of mysteries, and while I participated in the first MysteryCAT, I don't think I would again. I am more interested in trying something new.

100LibraryCin
Edited: Oct 10, 2017, 7:34pm Top

>99 sturlington: Yes, if they are both chosen, then I do think they should be kept separate, for sure! And I think you've described the ScaredyCAT well, actually. If mysteries are chosen to be read by someone, that is fine, but we would choose subcategories that are not necessarily mystery - subcategories that would work for any of those: horror, thriller and maybe even mystery!

>98 Raspberrymocha: I'm glad you checked out the group and I hope you enjoy it! I've been participating in all the CATs since I became active here (even the CATs I might not be as excited about! :-) ).

101Tanya-dogearedcopy
Oct 11, 2017, 11:16am Top

The Survey Monkey poll was nice as it posts all the questions in one place, but if I want to change my answer(s), or look at the results later, I can't seem to find a way to do so. Is there a way to do either?

102VivienneR
Oct 11, 2017, 2:46pm Top

>101 Tanya-dogearedcopy: I agree, it would be nice to see how votes are going. I can't even remember what I voted for.

103Kristelh
Oct 12, 2017, 7:41am Top

I would not participate in the mystery cat if it is chosen again, at least not on a regular basis as I don’t read a lot of mystery. But I would try to participate in the Scaredy Cat.

104majkia
Oct 12, 2017, 10:23am Top

I look at all the KITs and CATs as optional and feel no guilt in not participating. Do what you like and leave the rest!

105MissWatson
Oct 12, 2017, 10:40am Top

>104 majkia: That's how I see it, too. Sometimes RL gets in the way of participation, at other times my interest in the topic is only lukewarm.

106Jackie_K
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 11:39am Top

>104 majkia: >105 MissWatson: me too. I have loved CultureCAT and CATWoman this year, but none of the 2018 suggestions have particularly grabbed me. So I intend to just see what's what each month, if something appeals and I have something on the TBR that fits then great, if not then I'll sit it out.

107Tanya-dogearedcopy
Oct 12, 2017, 1:13pm Top

I've always used the CATs & KITs on a TIOLI basis, but I would really like to commit to a CAT in full next year, e.g. commenting on the threads more actively rather than just using them as a way to inform my own reading (which is what I have been doing.) If none of the CATs appeal to me this year, I will definitely participate in the ALPHAkit, and the SFFkit if it returns. Of course, there is nothing to prevent me from creating a personal CAT, but my experience in that this past year failed miserably :-/

108kac522
Oct 12, 2017, 6:16pm Top

>107 Tanya-dogearedcopy: I created my own DeweyKit this year, and it has helped to guide my non-fiction reading. I don't read that much non-fiction, but I like the Dewey idea to spread it over all different categories. Helps me to *imagine* that I'm a well-rounded reader :)

109VivienneR
Oct 12, 2017, 8:07pm Top

CalendarCAT wasn't chosen this year so I did my own calendar challenge. It was a lot of fun looking for commemorative dates and then finding books to fit.

110majkia
Oct 12, 2017, 9:15pm Top

Those of you doing your own CATs or KITs could see if others want to do it with you. That's how the AlphaKit and the SFFKIT came about. The more the merrier.

111Tanya-dogearedcopy
Oct 14, 2017, 12:13pm Top

Is the SFFFkit going to continue next year? I don't see any chatter about it, but maybe it's on another thread I've somehow missed?

112DeltaQueen50
Oct 14, 2017, 12:55pm Top

>111 Tanya-dogearedcopy: I would be very happy to see the SFFFKit continue on for another year.

113whitewavedarling
Oct 14, 2017, 1:27pm Top

>111 Tanya-dogearedcopy:, I'd definitely try doing it again--I missed a few months this year, but have loved participating overall!

115LittleTaiko
Oct 14, 2017, 3:00pm Top

Just wanted to remind everyone that I'm taking BingoDog suggestions. If you haven't done so already, feel free to send me a note with what you'd like to have included on the card. I'll finalize the list next weekend after the CAT's are finalized.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/270484

116Kristelh
Oct 14, 2017, 4:08pm Top

I would always participate in the SFFkit.

117sushicat
Oct 16, 2017, 1:09am Top

Me five!

118mathgirl40
Oct 16, 2017, 7:56am Top

>118 mathgirl40: I love the SFFKIT and would participate in it again. However, I wonder if it would ever be considered for a CAT again, which would bring even greater participation. If it runs continuously every year, I suppose there's no incentive to ever propose it as a CAT.

119rabbitprincess
Oct 16, 2017, 1:38pm Top

Reminder that voting closes tonight at 11:59 Pacific Daylight Time. I'll post the results tomorrow evening.

120Kristelh
Edited: Oct 16, 2017, 4:27pm Top

>118 mathgirl40:, I agree that if it becomes a yearly kit it will forever be a kit. I do think there are a lot of people who also avoid SFF so maybe it is better off as a kit. I can go either way, if you want to work SFF into other categories, it usually can be done.

121rabbitprincess
Oct 17, 2017, 4:54pm Top

The results are in! Here they are, ranked by Yes votes.

RandomCAT = 35
ColourCAT = 25
MysteryCAT = 25
Classics = 24
ScaredyCAT = 19
GenreCAT = 17
HistoryCAT = 17
SeriesCAT = 16
LegacyCAT = 13
BioCAT = 12
YoungCAT = 8

Given that we have a tie for second place, and third place is only one vote away from it, do we want to have a runoff vote to pick Colour or Mystery as our second-place choice and do Classics as the third-place choice? Should I have a vote on doing a runoff vote? ;)

122leslie.98
Oct 17, 2017, 5:04pm Top

I would select Random, Colour & Mystery as the three CATs but if you want to have a runoff vote, I suggest we put Colour, Mystery & Classics in and have people pick two of the three.

123RidgewayGirl
Oct 17, 2017, 5:07pm Top

>122 leslie.98: That sounds like a reasonable way to do it.

124majkia
Oct 17, 2017, 6:44pm Top

Not crazy about a runoff vote, but i'll go with whatever you decide.

125clue
Oct 17, 2017, 7:05pm Top

I understand that normally the CATS are limited to three but with Classics just being 1 vote behind the 2 tie votes, I think we should consider having 4 this year. I'm saying this because I just think it makes sense, I didn't vote for Classics and won't participate in it even if it is available.

126LittleTaiko
Oct 17, 2017, 7:55pm Top

How did the vote turn out for having RandomCAT be a recurring KIT? Just thinking that we could have it be a regular thing each year and then have Colour, Mystery, and Classics be the CAT’s. Not sure that really helps anything as there would still be four options in addition to the other Kits out there.

If we don’t want to go down that road then I’m fine with another vote and like Leslie’s suggestion for the run off.

127LibraryCin
Edited: Oct 17, 2017, 8:34pm Top

>126 LittleTaiko: Given how close it was, I also "vote" to have Random become a KIT, and have the 3 other top ones as CATs. (Although, neither Colour, nor Classics really appeals to me, personally.)

128RidgewayGirl
Oct 17, 2017, 8:43pm Top

RandomCAT got the most votes. I think that making it a KIT would be to disregard the result of the vote.

Was there enough participation last year to warrant four CATs again this year? How many people voted this year? That's a good general idea of how many people are at least interested in occasionally participating. Last year, the most people voting on a question was 52. Hopefully, the number is a lot higher this year, indicating more people are interested, which would be a good argument for keeping the CATs at the expanded number.

129whitewavedarling
Oct 17, 2017, 8:51pm Top

I wonder how many folks would want to have 4 cats, with a plan of participating in 3? Like clue, I wouldn't be participating in a classics cat no matter what, just like I didn't ever plan to keep up with the awards cat this year--I wonder if there are others in similar positions with different cats, who'd like to have four, planning on just doing 3?

130Kristelh
Oct 17, 2017, 8:55pm Top

I won't be participating in any of the TopCats for 2018 on a regular basis. I voted for the ones I was interested in and I don't think any of them won. I will drop in on the Cats and if they work out I will participate but otherwise, not too enthused this year.

131DeltaQueen50
Oct 17, 2017, 9:05pm Top

Personally I found the number of Cats and Kits a little overwhelming this year. I know I don't have to participate in all of them, but I like to support this groups challenges. I would rather see three Cats than four, but with the numbers so close perhaps we should have a run-off vote set up as >122 leslie.98: Leslie suggests.

132Kristelh
Oct 17, 2017, 9:18pm Top

I agree with those supporting a run off vote. I think the Cat's should be limited to 3. It does make it easier otherwise it really does make it overwhelming so then it is easier to just not participate.

133rabbitprincess
Oct 17, 2017, 9:26pm Top

>126 LittleTaiko: For the question of "would you be OK with turning the RandomCAT into a KIT if the group feels there are too many CATs", we had 35 Yes votes (and 4 No votes).

If we want to set up a runoff vote with ColourCAT, MysteryCAT, and ClassicsCAT as our choices, I can put one up tomorrow. Shall I make it a ranked ballot or keep using yes/no?

134sallylou61
Oct 17, 2017, 9:30pm Top

I am in favor of having 4 cats again this year since the vote was so very close. Furthermore, there was quite a spread between the 4th and 5th place votes whereas the second, third, and fourth place votes were extremely close. I remember being extremely disappointed in 2015 when WomanCAT (this year called CATWoman) missed by one vote; then we had a Woman BingoPUP rather than a WomanKIT for 2016. Last year when CATWoman won, I supported also having the CultureCAT remembering the disappointment from the previous year. Nobody has to participate in all four CATs -- or any CAT. It is personal preference concerning how many and which CATs anyone participates in.

135mathgirl40
Oct 17, 2017, 9:39pm Top

I have a slight preference for 3 official CATs, meaning either RandomCAT with run-off votes for the other 2, or RandomKIT with the other 3 as the CATs.

I use the word "slight" because I don't feel especially strongly about this and will be fine with whatever the group decides. Whichever challenges are chosen, I'll try to participate as much as I can. :)

136RidgewayGirl
Oct 17, 2017, 9:47pm Top

I'd be disappointed that the CAT suggestion with by far the most votes is demoted, but if everyone else is fine with it, obviously majority wins. And the number of CATs isn't important since they're all optional, although it can make it more difficult to find volunteers for each month.

137rabbitprincess
Oct 17, 2017, 9:53pm Top

Maybe we should start calling them all KIT-CATs :)

138RidgewayGirl
Oct 17, 2017, 9:59pm Top

Ha! At least with a KIT, one person just jumps in and handles all of it, so it does reduce the number of volunteers needed down to one.

139DeltaQueen50
Oct 17, 2017, 10:06pm Top

The AlphaKit is in the very capable hands of Majkia, but the 2017 SFFFKit still needed monthly volunteers to host. There is a HorrorKit being planned for next year and I don't know if that is one person's baby or if they will need volunteers as hosts. Four Cats and a number of Kits does mean a lot of people need to step forward and offer to host, but I am certainly willing to go along with whatever the group wants.

140Robertgreaves
Oct 17, 2017, 11:02pm Top

It doesn't really matter to me whether RandomFELINE is a CAT or KIT. But is there anyone who voted for it, but would not do it if it were a KIT rather than a CAT?

If Random remains a CAT, I would prefer 4 CATs to a run-off since the voting was so close.

141LibraryCin
Oct 17, 2017, 11:31pm Top

>133 rabbitprincess: For the question of "would you be OK with turning the RandomCAT into a KIT if the group feels there are too many CATs", we had 35 Yes votes (and 4 No votes).

Maybe this is what we should do, then? Instead of a runoff vote?

142LibraryCin
Oct 17, 2017, 11:32pm Top

>136 RidgewayGirl: What I think is good if RandomCAT becomes a KIT, is that it can continue, and we can choose new CATs every year, and still have 3 CATs.

143LibraryCin
Edited: Oct 17, 2017, 11:36pm Top

>139 DeltaQueen50: Oh, I will always volunteer for the CATs (and KITs!) that most appeal to me. I usually do at least one month for each CAT that I particularly like. That would include a RandomCAT or KIT and Horror (or Scaredy)KIT.

I think I volunteered for each CAT last year and the only one I didn't volunteer for this year was Awards, the one I was least interested in.

Next year, I likely wouldn't volunteer for Classics or Colour, but I would vote for the KITs I like, as well. I *might* volunteer for Colour, but I'm not sure, as I will likely try to participate, though participating in Classics is least likely for me (though I managed Awards this year, so I might manage Classics next year).

144RidgewayGirl
Oct 18, 2017, 4:38am Top

Whatever we all decide together is fine as long as everyone gets a voice in what's chosen and we vote on it. Personally, I'd take the top three and go with that, but there's still plenty of time until 2018 to vote on what we all want.

145Roro8
Edited: Oct 18, 2017, 5:44am Top

I participated less this year than ever before. For me there was just too much to try to keep up with so I didn't. As we all say, it is take it or leave it. So I just did the things that worked for me. I will do the same next year, participate in what grabs me and bypass the rest and I am quite happy with that. I only read about 5 books a month so I can't keep up with all the Cats, Kits and Bingos anyway.

I have noticed a trend last year, and with some threads that have already been posted for 2018, that there is a trend towards reading freedom. Does having more CATs and KITs help or hinder reading freedom? When hosting a thread I always find it more encouraging and fun if more people are participating and posting. How many cats/kits/bingos can people manage each month? I know most of you read way more that I do so you might be able to manage it. For me, I will vote for my favourites and probably participate in 2 a month maximum. The RandomCAT is a personal favourite of mine so I will continue to do that whether is is a Kit or a Cat.

Like >144 RidgewayGirl:, I would pick the top 3 and run with it.
If people feel more comfortable voting on it, maybe just the LT style poll on that would do, seeing as it would be a yes/no type question...just a thought. e.g. Should Random be a cat in 2018 yes/no/undecided or Should Random be a kit in 2018 yes/no/undecided.

146sturlington
Oct 18, 2017, 7:08am Top

>145 Roro8: Like you, I participated less this year. I know some folks jump in and out of the cats as it suits them, but I like to try to participate in every month to stretch my reading. Realistically, I can only do this with one or two CATs, and this year none of the main CAT categories really aligned with what I wanted to read. Since I've pretty much read all the classics I want to and we previously had a Mystery CAT, I doubt I'll read either. Not sure how ColorCAT will work. I always do Random CAT, but that is something I drop in on a month to month basis, since I don't know what the topic will be.

I liked the previous years when there were two CATs and RandomCat. Two CATs seemed to provide enough choice for everyone--for fiction readers versus nonfiction readers--without being overwhelming.

I look at the CATs as an opportunity to try something new and the KITs more as reading clubs for genres I already know I like. They each seem to have a core constituency and it's nice to have a thread within the group where you can discuss your favorite genres and get reading recommendations.

147virginiahomeschooler
Oct 18, 2017, 7:33am Top

I didn't participate much this year for a variety of reasons, some of which was due to less interest in the topics. Life seems to be settling down a bit, and I'm really looking forward to getting more involved next year, and I'm excited about the first 3 categories as they are, not so much the classic one, but it wouldn't bother me if it ends up being a 4th pick or random goes to a kit. I'll do what interests me (like a scaredykit) and leave the ones that don't.

I'm also happy to volunteer for ones I feel comfortable with, like random and color, and maybe mystery. I'm just ready for the new year so I can start my nice new shiny challenge! Whatever is decided about what cats or kits make it will be fine with me.

148sturlington
Oct 18, 2017, 7:35am Top

We will be having a ScaredyKIT for anyone who is interested and are planning it here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/271226

149MarthaJeanne
Oct 18, 2017, 9:29am Top

I was glad this year to have the Obama thread, as none of the CATs appealed. I'll skip the CATs this year, too.

150MissWatson
Oct 18, 2017, 9:29am Top

>146 sturlington:
I look at the CATs as an opportunity to try something new and the KITs more as reading clubs for genres I already know I like.

That's a very good way of putting it, I feel much the same. I try to read something every month, but I do not always manage it, timewise. So personally I would say pick the top three, but I'm happy to play along with whatever the majority prefers.

151christina_reads
Oct 18, 2017, 10:25am Top

I'm torn. On the one hand, since all CATs and KITs are completely optional, why not include them all and let people participate (or not) as they choose? On the other hand, I do see how having too many CATs/KITs can be overwhelming. Plus, the discussions might suffer from lack of participation -- if there are six or seven felines running around, each individual CAT/KIT probably won't have a very robust discussion. Basically, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I do like the top 3 CATs that were chosen and will probably participate in all of them (at least in some months).

152VivienneR
Oct 18, 2017, 11:42am Top

Why not go with the three top picks? I don't see any reason for further voting. It seems pointless to vote for CATs and then if one of the top three is discarded, make it a KIT. The entire list could be made into KITs.

Like >146 sturlington: I like to participate every month to make it a real challenge. Too many CATs and KITs are overwhelming.

153leslie.98
Oct 18, 2017, 12:43pm Top

Like >152 VivienneR: & >146 sturlington:, I prefer to participate in a CAT every month if possible. Otherwise I don't participate at all. So with 2 KITs already (AlphaKIT & SFFKIT), 4 CATs would be too much.

Regarding whether RandomCAT should stay a CAT or become a KIT, I am just wondering why it isn't a KIT already. When I asked about why AlphaCAT was turned into a KIT, I was told that it was because it had already been a CAT yet lots of people wanted to keep doing it. Isn't that the same with the RandomCAT? I am willing to go with whatever is decided; I just don't understand how they are different and am trying to understand the process.

154Helenliz
Oct 18, 2017, 2:32pm Top

I agree with >152 VivienneR:, a vote was had, there is a ranking, why not go with it? If 3 & 4 were tied, I could see the point of a run off. Of those listed I really wanted classic cat, but I'm not sure I see the point of holding a vote if the results are then not taken as they come out.

I also worry that too many Kits, Cats, group reads, the bingo card & wotnot will just mean that there are too many things to distract and that I'll be spread too thin while trying to commit to everything. I know there is no compulsion to participate from the group, but it becomes a self imposed pressure to carry on with something that I've started. What with 3 Kits and 3 Cats, you've already exceeded my regular monthly reading.

155RidgewayGirl
Edited: Oct 18, 2017, 10:14pm Top

>153 leslie.98: At the time it didn't receive enough votes to be one of the three CATs. But the people who did vote for it decided that they'd like to keep going anyway and so the KITs were born. They differ in structure in that what determines whether something becomes a KIT is simply a person being willing to set it all up (with or without input from others). CATs are the ones that are voted and discussed by anyone interested.

Basically, if you wanted a CAT for reading celebrity cookbooks you could submit the idea for voting and then, if the topic didn't receive enough votes you could then set up your own CAT, calling it a KIT and structuring it however you wanted to. Likewise, you could just skip submitting it for voting and just planning it on your own (or with other people) like the AlphaKIT (the AlphaKIT is helped by having an amazing and dedicated person getting it all quietly taken care of so everyone can just jump in and have fun).

156mathgirl40
Edited: Oct 18, 2017, 3:18pm Top

I'm now favouring more the idea of going with the top 3 CATs. A ClassicsKIT can be offered if people want it.

Even though all these challenges are optional, I think of CATs as group-wide challenges that are intended to attract many participants. They require careful organization and choice of topics. KITs, on the other hand, can be more unstructured and flexible and don't have to appeal to a wide audience.

I usually try my best to do the CATs every month (and I found 4 difficult this year) but I am happy to drop into the KITs when the topics suit my reading plans.

So, if one thinks of CATs as challenges that should appeal to as many members as possible, it makes sense to just take the top 3.

If a ClassicsCAT is not offered in the end, there could be interesting possibilities for a KIT. I recall that the original suggestion for Classics was to do a single author per month. Several of us felt that this would be too limiting for a CAT. On the other hand, it would certainly be feasible for a KIT, and a broader CAT could be proposed again next year. I'm not saying that the KIT should be structured this way but just pointing out that KITs and CATs have different purposes.

ETA: Just read >155 RidgewayGirl:, who posted as I was composing my post. I agree with everything she says. :)

157sallylou61
Edited: Oct 18, 2017, 3:57pm Top

For those who are concerned with the number of Cats, kits, bingos, etc.

I looked back through the last few years, and we have had 7 options since 2015 (in addition to group reads):
2015: 3 CATs (His{tory}, SFFF, Random) and 3 KITs (Alpha, Cooking, and Bio{graphy} although the last was quarterly), and 1 bingoDOG.
2016: 3 CATS (Geo{graphy}, Dewey, Random) and 2 KITS (Alpha, SFFF) and 2 bingos (1 official DOG and 1 WomanBingoPUP)
2017: 4 CATS (Random, Culture, CATWoman, and Awards) and 2 KITS (Alpha and SFF/SFFF), and I bingoDOG.

So far for 2018, it appears as if the number will stay at 7 if we have 4 CATs, 2 Kits (Alpha and Horror or Scardy which appear to be the same KIT under different names) and 1 bingoDOG. Of course, we have not yet decided how many CATs we will have, and do not know if anyone will set up any additional KITs. But so far, things are shaping up to approximately the same number as the last 3 years.

That said, I agree that some individuals might be cutting down on how many they participate in. The wikis for some of this years CATs appear to have relatively few postings (although it is hard to know how faithful people are at posting), and several people have stated in this thread that they do not plan to participate very actively in the CATs in 2018. Although I had not stated it before, I doubt if I will participate in many CATs because most do not really appeal to me. Therefore, if a vote is held, I do not plan to vote since I don't feel strongly for any of the choices which will be on the ballot and want the people who have strong feelings to have more of a say. I also do not feel strongly about the number of CATs, KITs, etc.

158whitewavedarling
Oct 18, 2017, 4:26pm Top

>157 sallylou61:, Based on the thread in the 2017 group, it sounds like there'll also be a SFFF Kit this year in 2018.

I will say--when I join a CAT or a KIT, I try hard to participate each month, but I choose what to participate in based on topic, and not on Cat vs. Kit. This year, I only participated in 2 Cats and it was the same last year; I'd probably participate in all three this year, though I wouldn't have jumped in for a Classic Cat whether it was a Cat or a Kit.

I don't know if any of this helps, though...

I do think that we should stick with the vote that was taken, though I'd understand doing a vote to vote whether to have three cats or four. Honestly, I don't feel strongly either way.

159Jackie_K
Oct 18, 2017, 4:29pm Top

RandomCAT has been in the top 3 or 4 for the past 3 years and then again in the voting for 2018, so it's clearly very popular (and obviously got a fair few more votes than the next most popular categories this time round), and will be each year that it's suggested, presumably. So is there a case for making RandomCAT a permanent CAT, given that if it's on the ballot it is always in the top 3, and there always seems to be no shortage of people willing to host it and participate in it? Then the ballot could be for the remaining CAT slots, without having the inclusion or not of the RandomCAT dominate the discussion about other categories.

I'm personally not fussed about the overall number of group challenges, as I just dip in and out if I am taken by that month's topic (it so happens that both CATWoman and CultureCAT really grabbed me this year, but I'm not that fussed about any of the 2018 categories, so I'd just participate if I happened to have a relevant TBR that month and sit out if not). I appreciate that if you had the RandomCAT every year and only 2 other CATs then someone's pet topic has less of a chance of being a CAT, but also that 4 CATs can be a bit overwhelming if you want to participate in them all. But seeing that RandomCAT seems to have become a permanent CAT in any case, it might save a bit of agonising each year at CAT-choosing time :)

160leslie.98
Oct 18, 2017, 5:27pm Top

Thanks >155 RidgewayGirl: for the explanation. That helped clear things up in my mind!

161DeltaQueen50
Oct 18, 2017, 7:27pm Top

The more I think about it, the more I think we should just go with the top 3 as the 2018 Cats. Any of the ones that didn't make it can be offered up as a choice for next year. If we continue to vote and re-vote and set up more Cats every year, we won't have any new ones to vote on down the road!

162LibraryCin
Oct 18, 2017, 7:29pm Top

>153 leslie.98: Regarding whether RandomCAT should stay a CAT or become a KIT, I am just wondering why it isn't a KIT already. When I asked about why AlphaCAT was turned into a KIT, I was told that it was because it had already been a CAT yet lots of people wanted to keep doing it. Isn't that the same with the RandomCAT?

I was thinking this last night after I shut down my computer. We do the RandomCAT every year, anyway. Why not just make it a KIT?

But, whatever is decided is what I'll do. I think 4th place was Classics, and it's not my "thing", anyway, so I would probably only do that one selectively, while I would make a point of the other three.

163rabbitprincess
Oct 18, 2017, 10:18pm Top

I've read through everyone's comments, and it seems as though the preference is to go with the top three CATs as voted upon: Random, Colour, and Mystery.

In the group reads thread, we'd talked about having a year-long "Classics I didn't read in school" group read (picking a different classic each month), so perhaps that could be a substitute for the ClassicsCAT.

If anyone wants to set up a planning thread for any CAT or KIT (or group read), go ahead, and I'll put a link on the main group page.

164majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 6:19am Top

I'll be glad to set up wikis, or help those who want to try to do it themselves. Just let me know.

165mathgirl40
Oct 19, 2017, 8:29am Top

>163 rabbitprincess: I'm looking forward to the next year's CATs. Thank you for all the work you've done!

166RidgewayGirl
Edited: Oct 19, 2017, 1:26pm Top

To put it all down in one place:

The 2018 CATs are

RandomCAT: hosted by virginiahomeschooler

ColorCAT: hosted by LittleTaiko http://www.librarything.com/topic/271259#

MysteryCAT: hosted by VivienneR

Who would be willing to guide one of these, so rabbitprincess isn't stuck with them? It would mean you're willing to set up a discussion thread to figure out the themes and attach volunteers' names to the specific months and themes.

If you don't want to guide a CAT to the starting line, think about whether you'd like to volunteer to host a month for a CAT or two. Think about which months work best for you and be quick to snag the themes you like best.

Any takers?

167virginiahomeschooler
Oct 19, 2017, 9:07am Top

I would be ok hosting the RandomCAT, though I have absolutely no clue how to set up a wiki for it. It always takes me a while just to figure out how to add an entry to the wiki.

I've never hosted, so I may not be the best for the job, but I'm willing to try, and I can look back at this year's posts to see what was done and when.

168RidgewayGirl
Oct 19, 2017, 9:38am Top

>167 virginiahomeschooler: RandomCAT is easy. Just start a thread called something like "RandomCAT Discussion Thread" and ask people to volunteer for specific months. If you set up a list of months in your first post, it's easy for people to find which still need volunteers, and you can edit that post as needed.

Majkia has graciously offered to guide people through the WIKI set-up.

169majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 10:00am Top

>167 virginiahomeschooler: I've done a lot of wikis. It doesn't take too much to set it up, so you worry about the thread and the volunteers and I'll worry about the wiki. :)

170LittleTaiko
Edited: Oct 19, 2017, 10:18am Top

I volunteer to host the ColorCAT thread.

ETA: Here is this link for the ColorCAT challenge.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/271259#

171virginiahomeschooler
Oct 19, 2017, 10:26am Top

>169 majkia: Thank you so much. I looked at this year's wiki, and I think I could probably work it out, given lots of time, with some copying, pasting, and editing, but I couldn't even see how to create a new page. I appreciate your help.

172VivienneR
Edited: Oct 21, 2017, 2:03pm Top

I volunteer to host the MysteryCAT if majkia will help me with the wiki. I have to think about how to even add titles to the wiki.

ETA: This is the link for the MysteryCAT discussion thread:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/271262#

173RidgewayGirl
Oct 19, 2017, 1:27pm Top

Thanks to virginiahomeschooler, LittleTaiko, VivienneR and always Majkia, we are good to go.

174majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 4:51pm Top

>171 virginiahomeschooler: You are most welcome. Starting a new thread is NOT intuitive. I'll DM you a little explanation on it but will go ahead and do it for you.

175majkia
Oct 19, 2017, 4:51pm Top

>172 VivienneR: Sure. Do you want to do it yourself or have me do it. DM me and let me know. :)

176rabbitprincess
Oct 19, 2017, 7:45pm Top

Thanks, all, for getting the planning threads going and preparing the wikis! You are an immensely helpful bunch :D Looking forward to checking out the threads and seeing how the CATs take shape!

177VivienneR
Oct 21, 2017, 2:05pm Top

We still have three openings for hosts over at MysteryCAT for those interested. There are lots of mystery genre to choose from.

http://www.librarything.com/topic/271262#

178LadyoftheLodge
Apr 12, 9:49am Top

Maybe I am too picky--but it is driving me nuts that people are adding their reading selections to the wiki and not alphabetizing them. Come on, folks!

179RidgewayGirl
Apr 12, 10:05am Top

>178 LadyoftheLodge: Whenever I see this happening, I put it into alphabetical order. It's very satisfying.

180beebeereads
Apr 12, 2:19pm Top

>178 LadyoftheLodge: Apologies...didn't realize this was a thing. I've fixed a couple of mine and will do it properly from now on.
>179 RidgewayGirl: Thanks :-)

181RidgewayGirl
Apr 12, 2:21pm Top

>180 beebeereads: It's certainly preferable to add books to the wikis out of order than to fail to add them at all, which I am often guilty of (not) doing.

182dreamweaver529
Apr 12, 2:49pm Top

>178 LadyoftheLodge: I didn't know I was supposed to. I thought it was chronological.

Maybe a short "Please add your books in alphabetical order to the lists below" type message at the top of the wikis?

183scaifea
Apr 12, 3:01pm Top

Oh, YOICKS! I had no idea we were supposed to list by alpha order! I'm so sorry!

184luvamystery65
Apr 12, 5:58pm Top

We have several new folks participating this year so a message up top of the WIKI would be helpful. I also alphabetize the wiki when I'm posting. I figure some people may not know. :-)

185LibraryCin
Apr 12, 7:02pm Top

>179 RidgewayGirl: I do that, too - put them in order if I notice they are out of order!

186fuzzi
Apr 13, 12:29pm Top

>179 RidgewayGirl: hahaha! So I'm not the only one who can't resist alphabetizing the lists...

187VivienneR
Apr 13, 1:55pm Top

>179 RidgewayGirl: I've put titles in correct order too when I notice any out of order but I have to admit a couple of times I forgot and put my own addition at the bottom of the list. Ooops.

188LadyoftheLodge
Apr 13, 7:54pm Top

Thanks, everyone! I am glad to know I am not the only one who has been alphabetizing if things are out of order. Also glad to know I am not nutsy about this. Just something the nuns taught us in grade school about lists. . .

189-Eva-
Apr 15, 12:18am Top

In the 10 years I've been doing this challenge, I've always put mine at the bottom. If that's a requirement, mine probably won't make it - it's a pain enough modifying the wiki on an iPad as it is. Haha!

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