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2017 * 4: Longbook LizzieD Reads Again! Hi Yo Kindle, Away!

75 Books Challenge for 2017

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Edited: Sep 15, 2017, 11:41pm Top

A 3-cat box on a cold January day

Edited: May 29, 10:31pm Top

A Gentleman in Moscow
Leviathan Wakes
The Weight of Ink
Living with a Dead Language
The Chessmen
The Boys in the Boat

Into the House in September
69. The Electric Michelangelo - PBS
70. Consider the Lobster - Kindle Daily Deal
71. A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again - Kindle Deal
72. The Radium Girls - Kindle Deal
73. The Chessmen
74. Ninefox Gambit - Kindle
75. Paul Scott - AMP
76. The Story of the Jews - Kindle Deal
77. Magpie Murders - Kindle Daily Deal
78. The Word Exchange - AMP

Company of Liars
*The Black Tudors
*An Unkindness of Ghosts
Take Out

Into the House in October
79. The King of the Rainy Country - PBS
80. The Gooseboy - PBS
81. As Music and Splendour - PBS
82. Take Out
83. The Last Policeman ✔ - AMP

Friday's Child - reread
The Last Policeman
Black Roses
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (reread)
White Mughals
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (reread)
Blue Monday

Into the House in November
84. Damnificados - Kindle
85. Black Ice - PBS
86. Blue Monday ✔ - PBS
87. The Last London ✔ - ER ARC
88. The Mistresses of Cliveden - Kindle Deal
89. Storm Front ✔ - Kindle
90. Dark Saturday - Kindle Deal
91. New York 2140 - Kindle Cyber Monday Deal
92. Underground Airlines - Ditto
93. Countdown City - Kindle at a pretty good price
94. World of Trouble - Ditto

Penric's Demon
Behind the Beautiful Forevers
Tuesday's Gone
Storm Front
Death of Innocents
Penric and the Shaman
Allegra Maud Goldman

Into the House in December
95. Penric and the Shaman ✔ - Kindle
96. Waiting for Wednesday ✔ - AMP
97. Behind the Beautiful Forevers
98. Death Masks - PBS
99. Tuesday's Gone ✔ - AMP
100! Atlantis - Christmas Gift!!!! (Couldn't wait; thank you, dear friend!)
101. Birdcage Walk - More Christmas - Wonderful!
102. Convergence - Christmas from my other dear friend, with great thanks!
103. The Sunlight Pilgrims - Happy ditto
104. Shadows in the Sun - And a third!
105. The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. - Kindle deal
106. Allegra Maud Goldman ✔ - AMP
107. Too Like the Lightning ✔ - Kindle - GC
108. Medusa's Web - Kindle Deal - Christmas $
109. The Silent Corner - Kindle Deal - Christmas $
110. The Vanishing Velazquez - AMP - Christmas $

Out of the House
Mine ~ 10 Wards' ~ 15

Edited: Sep 15, 2017, 11:53pm Top

Another winner in the entertainment department! It's space opera + detective story with a fillip of horror - nothing particularly deep or challenging but lots of fun when fun is needed!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
Monday, October 9, 1933, began as a gray day in Seattle.
And then he begins to tell the story.
~ The Boys in the Boat

***Quote of the Day***
Fear cannot be without hope nor hope without fear.
~ Benedict Spinoza (*Epigrams*)

Sep 16, 2017, 12:15am Top

Happy New Thread (and Hugs), Peggy!!

Sep 16, 2017, 12:51am Top

Happy new one!! Leviathan Wakes was a good one!

Sep 16, 2017, 8:47am Top

Good morning, Peggy, and happy Saturday to you!

I'm on page 190 of A Gentleman in Moscow and I'm over the moon with the story and quality of writing. It will definitely be in the top 5 books of the year, possibly second behind Lincoln in the Bardo.

Sep 16, 2017, 8:58am Top

Happy new thread!

Sep 16, 2017, 9:08am Top

Happy new thread, Peggy.

Sep 16, 2017, 11:23am Top

Hi Peggy and Happy New Thread. I love the three cats in a box. Cats and boxes, it's a thing.

I hope you are doing well and have a good weekend on tap for yourself.

Sep 16, 2017, 11:45am Top

Happy new thread!

Sep 16, 2017, 11:52am Top

Lovely to see you getting around to a new thread, Peggy.

Have a great weekend. xx

Sep 16, 2017, 12:31pm Top

Happy new thread, Peggy, you have almost 75 books aquired ;-)

Sep 16, 2017, 11:30pm Top

I love a new thread and the visitors it brings! Thanks for coming by, Anita, Paul, Jim, Ellen, Beth, Robin, Karen, Kim, and Roni!!!!!
I've been mostly AWOL tending to my mom, who - I think and hope - has finally passed the crisis and is now beginning to regain health and strength. This has been a hard one.
Karen, I think I said that I've ordered *Moscow G* for the book I "put in" for my local book club. It just gets better and better.
Anita, I've added another couple tonight, so I'm past 75. I only wish that I had read 75 this year.
Kim, I'm being very strict with myself (!) and not starting Caliban's War until I read my ER ARC, An Unkindness of Ghosts. I think it's going to be another good one!
Cats and boxes for sure, Ellen!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
The last story Paul Scott ever finished was his version of Cinderella.
The major problem for him in fact and fiction, past and present, was the actual business, rebarbative and mysterious, ironic and upsetting, of living with other people.
~ Paul Scott (My thanks to Laura for sending me to the article that let me know the existence of this book!)

***Quote of the Day***
Happiness is good health and a bad memory.
~ Ingrid Bergman (*1,911*)

Sep 17, 2017, 6:50am Top

>14 LizzieD: Hi Peggy, nice first sentence/last sentence. I'm glad you enjoyed the Paul Scott article!

Sep 17, 2017, 9:57am Top

Happy new thread Peggy!

You definitely hit me with a book bullet for A Gentleman in Moscow - my finger is hovering over the reserve button on the library website. Just wondering if I should read some of my current library books before reserving it....

And so glad you're enjoying Leviathan Wakes - completely agree that it's nothing particularly deep or challenging but lots of fun when fun is needed :-D#

Also glad to hear your Mom is doing better.

Edited: Sep 17, 2017, 10:00am Top

Yes, I am glad you are loving Leviathan Wakes -- it has been sitting on my shelf and I've hesitated to commit. But no longer! And A Gentleman in Moscow is to be my next read after I finish Knausgaard 4!

I love the box of cats!

Sep 17, 2017, 10:41am Top

Sending good, healthy thoughts to your mom, Peggy.

Sep 17, 2017, 10:52pm Top

All right, Lucy!
Heather, I'm sure that I found *LW* on your thread. I know I've falsely accused you of shooting me with BBs before, but I'm pretty sure about this one.
Always nice to see you here, Laura and Beth. My thanks all around for good wishes for my mom. It's still up and down, but I think the up is winning. When she's down, it's hard to tell.

***Quote of the Day***
An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all.
~ Oscar Wilde (*Epigrams*)

Sep 18, 2017, 5:54pm Top

Hi Peggy!

I'm sorry that I somehow didn't see that your mom was doing poorly - I'm glad to come in on the tail end when the "up is winning".

Sep 18, 2017, 11:00pm Top

Sending healing wishes for your mom, Peggy

Sep 18, 2017, 11:14pm Top

Thank you both, Karen and Rex. This has been the worst - or just about the worst, and we have a long road ahead. My mom is valiant though, and I'm convinced that she'll fight her way back to reclaim her life. Even at 95 it's been rich and good .
I managed to read a bit of The Weight of Ink today. I really, really like it but don't quite love it. It's well worth the time devoted to it, I think.

***Quote of the Day***
No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens.
~ Abraham Lincoln (attributed) (*Wit and Wisdom of*)

Sep 18, 2017, 11:45pm Top

>22 LizzieD: Ha! Especially at my place! ;-)

Sep 22, 2017, 7:52pm Top

Happy new thread. I love your three-cat box!
I'm glad your mom is doing better.
Enjoy Boys the the Boat. I just finished it!

Edited: Sep 23, 2017, 10:22pm Top

Hi, Roni and Terri! Oh, our cats fight all right..... Mostly Mamas and boys.
Welcome, Terri! I'm eager to get back to *Boys/Boat*. I finally got my mom to the ER yesterday, and she had very low levels of magnesium and is doing much better today. Beware of omeprazole over long periods!
I had time to do a lot of reading and polished off a couple:

THE WEIGHT OF INK by Rachel Kadish

I liked, maybe even loved by the end, it quite a lot. I'll try to write some thoughts another time.

I enjoyed this book a lot. As something of a Latinist, starting a few years younger than Patty's 58 when she began and building on my high school Latin, I could share her love of the language and its literature. She accurately describes what it's like to tackle Latin as an older person. She had the advantage of auditing classes at Vassar. I had the advantage of a couple of years in HS with good teachers to aid my independent study.
Patty also makes this a memoir, stressing her differences with her mother, a Latinist, but a thoroughly subservient wife like most in her generation, and giving us insights into the world of publishing (she was the discoverer of the Flowers in the Attic phenomenon and also edited The Life of Pi).
I did take exception to her approach to grammatical gender. My position is that they could have called the 3 genders krakwantz and that word would have been as meaningful. To wonder why via is feminine is pointless. Maybe, though, that's my being ultracrepidarian, a wonderful word that Patty discusses, meaning "one who states opinions above one's area of expertise." If you're interested in language and the stories behind words, this is the book for you!

Sep 23, 2017, 10:54am Top

I love language, Peggy, and the Patty book goes onto my list. I will watch for your comments on The Weight of Ink. I borrowed it from the library, but had to return it unread. Perhaps it would work better for me as a summer book; during the school year it's hard for me to get through the chunksters.

I hope you have a lovely weekend and that your mother is on the mend. And calm weather.

Sep 23, 2017, 10:33pm Top

Thank you, Beth. I can't do *Ink* tonight, but I'll get to it. I think you'll find it worth your time whenever you have time for it!
Mama is doing better, but we have quite a way to go. I'm getting some reading in while she naps - very much enjoying The Chessmen. I suspect that whichever one of these *Lewis* books I'm reading at the time will be my favorite. I'll definitely reread!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
When Fin opened his eyes the interior of the ancient stone dwelling which had sheltered them from the storm was suffused with a strange pink light.
A tiny cough brought blood bubbling to his lips, and he was gone.
~ The Chessmen (I skipped both Prologue and Epilogue; don't quite know why.)

***Quote of the Day***
Ronald Reagan is the first president to be accompanied by a Silly Statement Repair Team.
~ Mark Russell
(--- but clearly not the last ---)

Sep 23, 2017, 10:45pm Top

Hi Peggy!

Good old Ronny Raygun. Mr. GE and ham actor. *smile*

Our Library will have the last of a 6 President Film Series this coming Thursday, and the President will be Ronny Raygun. Ronny was an opportunist, like the Orange Gasbag is, abandoning the Democratic party when he was 53. The OG first abandoned it when he was 41, fluffing around as an independent and back and forth between Dems and the GOP until he finally settled on the GOP when he was 66. I'll go to see what they have to say, but I neither voted for Ronny when he became governator of CA nor when he became president.

I haven't read The Chessmen yet - I read the first two quickly but haven't felt the urge to get the third one under my belt yet. I'm sure it's wonderful - just need the right mental state for it!

Sep 23, 2017, 11:02pm Top

>27 LizzieD: What a groundbreaking President was Reagan. And how so much better had Mondale somehow beaten him!

Have a lovely weekend, Peggy.

Sep 24, 2017, 3:36pm Top

Lizzie--Hoping your mom continues to feel better. I didn't take Latin, so Living with a Dead Language is a non ibimus for me! (Did I get that right? LOL) Although I would probably enjoy Patty's recounting of her editing work. Wishing you a happy weekend!

Sep 24, 2017, 5:10pm Top

I know you aren't getting around the threads much, Peggy, so here's a kitten hug from my thread!

Sep 24, 2017, 10:13pm Top

Greetings, Karen, Paul, Kim, and Roni! Thanks for visits and messages - and kittens + mom!
We got my mom home this afternoon, and I'm a very happy kitten..... She's about 1000 times better than she's been for about 2 weeks. Scary!

This is the last of the Lewis Trilogy, and I loved it. My only quibble is that Fin Macleod is not going to have any childhood friends left on the Isle of Lewis if May decides to write another and keeps up this current pace.
Very satisfying mystery and totally mesmerizing setting!

Sep 25, 2017, 8:03am Top

>32 LizzieD: Good review, Peggy, I laughed when I read your quibble ;-)

Sep 25, 2017, 8:08am Top

HI Peggy!

So glad to hear that you have your mom home again.

>31 ronincats: I. Must. Resist. Two is a good number. Keep repeating. Two is a good number. No new cats. No new cats.....

Sep 25, 2017, 10:52pm Top

Hi, Anita and Karen! Two is a good number; six is a better one!
Mama is feeling much more like herself, so I'm at home tonight and headed for my very own bed. At last!!!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
On a very cold and lonely Friday last November, my father disappeared from the Dictionary.
And it says:

***Quote of the Day***
The human brain has a mind of its own.
~ Joseph Heller (*Epigrams*)

Sep 25, 2017, 11:14pm Top

So glad mom is home and so are you!!

Edited: Sep 29, 2017, 11:16am Top

OK, well you got me with Living With a Dead Language.

I guess a crepidarian is just a little out of their depth?

Sep 29, 2017, 4:12pm Top

Glad to have hit you, Lucy, to repay for all the reading I do from you! (I just looked up crepidarian and whatever I got to on the Internet says that the 2 are used interchangeably. Ho. Ho. Ho.)
Meanwhile, Mama improves slowly, and I love The Boys in the Boat. Will I read The Worst Hard Time next instead of my ER offerings? Uh oh.

Sep 30, 2017, 4:52pm Top

THE BOYS IN THE BOAT by Daniel James Brown

This is the perfect blend of biography, history, and love song to sport. I've thought that 8-man crew is beautiful, but I wasn't particularly interested in it, nor did I have any idea of what the sport involves. Now I'm a fan. I watch the YouTube clips of these particular boys win the 1936 Olympics again and again.
Joe Rantz's story wins immediate sympathy. I must investigate the horrors of the Dust Bowl. I can truly believe that this is a sport that builds character.
***** from me - a must-read!

Sep 30, 2017, 9:31pm Top

Hi, Peggy, and congrats on your new(ish) thread. I'm very glad for you and Mama that she's home and doing better.

You've made me want to read Boys/Boat. I love rowing but somehow never thought of reading this particular book.

Oct 1, 2017, 3:01pm Top

I also loved The Boys in the Boat, Peggy although I felt at times I learned too much about rowing.

Oct 1, 2017, 3:56pm Top

Hi, Gail and Beth!
I couldn't get enough of the rowing, so there we are again --- De gustibus ---

Oct 3, 2017, 6:46am Top

Happy half-new thread Peggy!

BB caught for Living with a Dead Language, ordered the sample. Loved Latin at school, did it for 9 years and had the most fantastic teacher. Then I completely forgot about it for 15 years, but when I taught myself the basics of Italian, it was so easy! (Now it isn't anymore, the administrative language and the polite letter/e-mail language are beyond my grasp. I understand them, but will never be able to speak/ write them).

Rowing? Tried it one year at highschool, in boats of 4. Felt dizzy all the time - okay, we rowed on the Rhine where all the big transport ships caused waves. I hated it and couldn't switch class. I was mentioned in the yearbook for being scared of drowning. :(
But always loved watching it on the olympics.

Oct 3, 2017, 11:24pm Top

Oh my goodness, Nathalie! 9 years of Latin with a fabulous teacher!!! I am so envious!!!!! I remember your speaking of the different levels, if that's the word, of Italian when you were reading Ferrante. Interesting!
And you rowed!!!!! I'm sorry that it didn't agree with you, but I can't think that rowing on the Rhine would be satisfactory for anybody but determinedly macho men. It is beautiful to watch, and I loved the book as I said.
Not reading much these days, but I have settled on a couple that I think I'll read + my 2 ER ARCs: Company of Liars and White Mughals. We'll see. I still have HHhH in my line-up, so I'll see about that one too.

Oct 4, 2017, 11:46am Top

Just stopping by -- 9 years of Latin. That's so rare here.

Oct 6, 2017, 11:54am Top

>44 LizzieD: >45 sibyx: That's quite rare here as well. I'm so glad my parents sent me to that school. I believe you say grammar school in English? It was a great basis for learning languages although of course I was envious of my ex-primary school classmates who all went to different secondary schools and started with much cooler English! But I was really fortunate with the teacher, he was super strict, but also extremely fair and also taught us much Roman and Greek history. We adored him and studied like crazy. Best teacher I ever had!

Edited: Oct 6, 2017, 11:01pm Top

Hi, Lucy and Nathalie!
I believe grammar school is British; here it's high school or secondary school. Primary = grammar school for us.
*sigh* I had 2 years of Latin and 2 of French in high school - that was what was offered. I begged for a third year of Latin, but the principal said, "You don't want to do that, little girl." (He called me "little girl" when I taught for him one semester 30 years later - the only man in my experience who could make me feel 16 when I was 50.) Oh yes I did! I picked Latin up again as an adult autodidact and eventually took college level courses by correspondence. THAT was an experience, let me tell you. Anyway, Nathalie, I doubt that any of those old friends you envied have English skills anywhere close to yours.
I was able to swim today (YAY!) and even read a little. Maybe we're back on course to something close to our old normal. I devoutly wish it may be so!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
On 7 November 1801, under conditions of the greatest secrecy, two figures were discreetly admitted to the gardens of Government House in Madras.
But they have met and mingled in the past, and they will do so again.

~ White Mughals

***Quote of the Day***
In many ways the saying "Know thyself" is lacking. Better to know other people.
~ Menander (*1,911*)

Oct 8, 2017, 7:37pm Top

Some shared loves: Boys in the Boat and The Chessmen (really, the whole Peter May trilogy).

Having taken care of P after she got her new hip last month, I have new empathy for the energy it takes to care for a loved one. We do it and we would not have it any other way (they are, after all, loved ones) but it is a difficult undertaking. I am glad your mom is home and that you got to sleep in your own bed. I know that felt good.

"...9 years of Latin. That's so rare here." I had 9 weeks of Latin! I kid you not; I took it as an elective for one 9-week quarter in high school. I got very little out of it as you might imagine.

Keep taking care of you, too, my dear Peggy.

Oct 8, 2017, 11:30pm Top

Ellen, what a treat to have you here! Thank you!!!
And care-taking is not the easiest task if the care is really needed. On the other hand, my mama is easy, and if I can just be more sure that she is truly regaining her strength, all will be well.
9 WEEKS of Latin! Good grief! I believe you got what a lot of the parents of my kids would have preferred --- "We want her exposed to Latin" --- as though it were maybe a disease that responded well to an inoculation.

Oct 9, 2017, 12:26am Top

I hope your mama's strength continues to rebuild, Peggy.

My dad really wanted me to learn Latin and he is the one who nudged me into signing up for the elective class. Honestly, I wasn't much interested at age 12 so he let me bail after that 9 weeks. And I don't think the opportunity presented itself again until at least college (and I'm not sure it was an offering then, either). I took French in high school and a wee bit in college but none of it stuck much. I learned more Polish in three months living in Krakow than I learned in 3 years of high school French, which is perhaps unsurprising given what we know about language acquisition.

While I was in Poland (1981), I was asked to work a few hours a week conversing with a 15-year-old to help her practice her English. I happily did so. She was proficient in English; we could have quite a good hour-long conversation although there were subjects she could only pursue with difficulty. And English was her fifth language.....

Memory lane; it's an interesting place. Ha ha.

Oct 9, 2017, 7:17am Top

>47 LizzieD: *grrrrrrr* for the "little girl" :(((
If I remember well, in Germany, for high school (but there were two other forms of secondary school with different requirements) you had to do at least 2 foreign languages and one of them until the exams. The first one (for me Latin) started in grade 5, the second (English) in grade 7. Most schools started with English, then offered French, just a few (now there are more) also offered Latin. Spanish has become popular as well as second foreign language. You can add another one or two in grade 9.
English is mandatory for all students, no matter which secondary school they go to. They now even start it in primary school. French has lost popularity as it's hardly needed later for work. You have to do the Latinum if you want to study medicine later (or pharmaceutics or theology or archeology or...), so now many parents prefer it over French for their kids. I believe the requirements for ancient Greek have been lowered and you need that only for theology now, no longer for medicine, that once was quite the hurdle!

All the very best for you and your Mama {{{Peggy}}}

>50 EBT1002: I've read somewhere (here maybe??) that the slavic languages have more sounds than other European languages and therefore it's easier for those people to learn. All the hotels here have many Eastern European emplyoees in their service positions, and it's incredible how many languages they all speak well. German, Italian, French, Russian, often Spanish + their home language. And I read somewhere else that it's extremely difficult for the Romance speaking people to learn other languages, they don't get their ears used to them.

Oct 9, 2017, 10:50pm Top

Thank you for good wishes for Mama and me, Nathalie!
I love all this language talk! We had no opportunity to learn a foreign language until 9th grade. I'm not sure what it's like for kids now, but here I'm willing to be that they don't get much early. It's not just ears that have a hard time; it's mouths too. Babies have the potential for any sound made by humans, but they lose the ones their mother tongues don't use. I do immediately remember French drills: "E E E E E E E" "OO OO OO OO OO OO OO " "EU EU EU EU EU EU EU" (Prepare your mouth for E but say OO instead.) Does that ring bells?
Meanwhile, I'm getting into White Mughals a little and am finding the 18th century English as foreign and strange as the Indians. It's maybe not as immediately good as From the Holy Mountain, but I'm liking it.

Oct 9, 2017, 11:20pm Top

Enjoying the language talk, Peggy.

I did my schoolboy french and a little bit of latin but not enough not to be normally non-plussed by the latter.

I am proficient in spoken Bahasa Melayu which is incredibly useful here but less so the moment I climb on board an aeroplane.

Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 9:42am Top

Hi Peggy and happy Tuesday to you.

In Southern California we start Spanish in the 6th grade. I took it through high school and can read it quite well although my vocabulary's gone rusty, but I can't speak it well at all. I still remember a couple of songs we had to learn - all those brain cells tied up. So here's a question for you. Spanish has 18 verb tenses - does English have the same number or more? edited to add - you answered my question satisfactorily in my thread! thank you.

I hope your mother is continuing to improve.

And why did summer decide to make an end run around fall? Blech. 88F today and humid. My windows are fogged up.

Oct 11, 2017, 11:07pm Top

Hi Peggy. Just getting caught up. I have missed a lot. I am so happy to hear your mother is doing better. I am sorry she's been so ill. She must be a very strong lady. Hugs to both of you.

Oct 12, 2017, 12:56pm Top

Hi Peggy, I'm glad to hear your mom is recovering her strength. Love the language talk, too!

Oct 13, 2017, 6:31am Top

Hi Peggy. I am more than happy to take responsibility for LW (>19 LizzieD:). Glad to hear your Mom is doing better. And I think it's your birthday today so happy birthday!

Oct 13, 2017, 7:36am Top

Happy to see you here, Jen and Nancy! Thank you for good words about my ma ... she is valiant.
Also love seeing you, Heather. You are always a trusted New book source. And it is my birthday, and it feels important this year since last year we were totally involved in dealing with Mama's injury and the aftermath of Matthew.

Oct 13, 2017, 8:03am Top

Happy Happy Happy Birthday, dear {{{Peggy}}}!!! :D

Oct 13, 2017, 8:43am Top

Happy Birthday from me, too, Peggy! I hope you have a lovely day.

Oct 13, 2017, 11:01am Top

And one more "Happy birthday to you", Peggy!

Oct 13, 2017, 3:20pm Top

Happy Birthday!

Oct 13, 2017, 3:32pm Top

Just stopping by to wish you a very Happy Birthday, Peggy!

Edited: Oct 14, 2017, 6:39pm Top

Oh thank you, dear Roni, Rhian, Anita, Karen, and Nathalie! I had a lovely birthday --- DH gave me a smarter-than-I-am-but-not-especially-smart--phone, so now I can text the HS 5 friends and keep my calendar up-to-date. I swam and ate a lot, including the annual birthday cake. He had his usual set-to with a local bakery. The idea of making a pound cake, filling the hole with cake trimmed from the corners, and icing the whole thing as though it were originally round grows more and more foreign to them. This one weighs 3 or 4 pounds, I'd guess. The record is a 7-pounder. I will freeze a bunch of it so that I won't put on the usual birthday pounds. I swam and walked and read a bit, and other than house-keeping things: that was my day. VERY satisfactory - especially contrasted with last year when we didn't have electricity (or maybe we did --- I don't remember) or water (for sure!) and did have a pain-wracked Mama.
And, btw, this is a real birthday --- I was born on a Friday.

***Quote of the Day***
No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft.
~ H.G. Wells (*Last 637*)

Oct 14, 2017, 4:40pm Top

Happy late birthday!

Oct 14, 2017, 6:51pm Top

Thank you, Jim! All good wishes are much appreciated.

COMPANY OF LIARS by Karen Maitland

This is somehow classified as a mystery, and I guess it is since we are misled about almost all the characters. It is set in 1348 England as a band of nine souls seeks to escape the plague on the road to someplace safe. I might wish that I had spent its 465 pages-worth somewhere else, but I couldn't stop reading. The reader is immediately immersed in the brutishness and swiftness of medieval life. Talk about needing to be tough! There's a touch of the supernatural just to make us a bit less arrogant about judging medieval superstition.
All in all, it was entertaining in a dark way - maybe just the thing for Samhain reading!

Oct 14, 2017, 8:32pm Top

Slightly belated birthday wishes from me too, Peggy. I am not keeping very good hours at the moment with Hani in the UK and wanting to talk at strange hours of the day/morning/night.

Have a lovely weekend.

Oct 14, 2017, 10:48pm Top

You know you're always welcome here, Paul. Thank you for good wishes. Hope Hani is enjoying her time in the UK. Peace to you!

Oct 15, 2017, 9:57am Top

Belated birthday wishes, Peggy. Many happy returns.

Oct 15, 2017, 11:48am Top

Belated happy birthday, Peggy! How sweet of DH to gift you a smart phone. Pound cake sounds divine!

Oct 15, 2017, 11:56am Top

Belated birthday wishes, Peggy! I hope you have a wonderful year.

Oct 16, 2017, 8:46am Top

Happy Monday, Peggy!

Your birthday cake sounds yummy even if your DH had to wrangle with the bakery over it, and a smart phone is a smart thing to have. Having the amenities like electricity and water make for a good day, too, compared to last year.

We've got a bit of rain here today. It's finally cooler and we might even get a bit of frost Tuesday night!

I hope your mom is well.

>66 LizzieD: I have Company of Liars on my shelves. I'm tempted.

Oct 16, 2017, 11:22pm Top

Nice! Thank you for birthday wishes at any time, Beth, Nancy, Gail, and Karen! *Liars* was good, Karen.
It wasn't actually a birthday gift, but a package of 3 lovely VMCs arrived today from friend Romain through PBS: The Gooseboy, As Music and Splendour, and The King of the Rainy Country. I've started the last one and hope that it will somehow encourage me to read my ERs. I think that 10 pps a day is going to be all I can do with *Black Tudors*. *Unkindness/Ghosts* is a bit more readable.

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
I had been scared for a fortnight.
Along its inside edge there was an irregular, thin band which reminded me of the shading we had used to pencil in, in geography lessons at school, to mark the coast on our maps; a narrow line, quite blanched now of any dirtiness, which shewed where the bride had run across the rainy pavement towards the temporary shelter of the bridal car.
~ The King of the Rainy Country

***Quote of the Day***
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
~ Bertrand Russell (*1,911*)

Oct 20, 2017, 11:16pm Top

Poor little neglected thread. Everything is holding its own with us. I played bridge (or something like it) (I do loath bust hands) this afternoon, and it was fun to get some friend-time in. I had, therefore, no family time.

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
'Stop crying, anyway.'
The Place de la Concorde struck exaggerat3edly against the sad quiet of her heart.
~ As Music and Splendour

***Quote of the Day***
I am sorry I have not learnt to play at cards. It is very useful in life: it generates kindness, and consolidates society.
Dr Samuel Johnson (*Epigrams*}

Oct 21, 2017, 12:23pm Top

Enjoying the quotes as always -- interested, too, in the language discussions. I had a Russian elective, much like your Latin one and I remember two words, dom meaning 'house' and karandash meaning 'pencil'.

I lived in Italy for a year aged 5-6, then studied French from 3rd or 4th grade, about a year of Latin (long sad story why not more -- scared of the teacher, basically). I worked in France one summer (16) as an aupair and two summers in Greece (15 and 19) in a bilingual (French, Italian, and a smattering of modern Greek) setting and then lived in France a year during college, so even though I don't use it enough, I find, so far, that after a few days in France it rushes back. I can get by in Italian too, rudimentary but tourist serviceable, for sure. I read French easily, speak and understand ok, and write it execrably.

Oct 21, 2017, 11:41pm Top

Lucy, I am so envious of your language acquisition! Your years of immersion are invaluable.
I've always wanted more.... My college history was a couple of French courses (conversational and 20th century lit - pretty good for 2 years of HS French, but then, all of us placed in junior level French at our various colleges thanks to our stellar teacher) and a semester of German. The summer before college a friend's father taught her, her brother, another friend, and me the "Baby Greek" course (Koine) offered in Presbyterian seminaries. I can call up about the first 2 lines of the Lord's prayer, and that's it. *sigh*

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
I couldn't sleep, the first night here.
I open the box, empty your ashes onto the wind and watch them drift and settle like dark snow on the pale flowers of West Greenland.
~ Cold Earth
(Hmmm. That's one that I sort of wish I hadn't jumped to the end....)

***Quote of the Day***
There are days when it takes all you've got just to keep up with the losers.
~ Robert Orben (*1,911*)

Oct 24, 2017, 4:33pm Top

Rejoice with me! Oh, Rejoice! REJOICE!!! I have finally finished that guilt-inducing, mind-reducing BLACK TUDORS by Miranda Kaufmann and written my review, which you may read on the book page if you're interested.
I'll simply say here that she did wonderful research for her "Oxford DPhil. thesis," and turned it into a book almost unreadable in the blandness and heavy-handedness of its writing. I persevered though, and now I am FREE!!!!!

Oct 24, 2017, 6:33pm Top

Rejoice! Excellent review! Details, examples, opinion, explanation of your opinion. Yay, Peggy!

So what fun book are you going to read as a reward to yourself?

Oct 24, 2017, 10:42pm Top

Thank you for compliments, Karen. Always welcome!
I'm going to browse, but I think one pick will be Take Out, the last promised M. Maron novel. She's returned to Sigrid Harald, whom I always liked better than Deborah Knott.

Oct 24, 2017, 11:35pm Top

I have started An Unkindness of Ghosts, Peggy. 82 pages in, but the first thing I faced was the author bio opposite the front cover. Interesting grammatical choices.

Oct 25, 2017, 8:15am Top

Hi Peggy!

I've ordered a mass market paperback copy of One Coffee With, the first in the Sigrid Harald series. I didn't particularly like Deborah Knott for some reason, although now, many years later, might appreciate her more. I didn't even realize Maron had another series. As if I need another book after the book orgy of two weeks ago. But Book Acquisition Disorder rears its ugly head.

I hope you have a lovely day - looks like we've got a nice crisp Fall day ahead.

Oct 25, 2017, 10:31am Top

Oh, Peggy, thank you for my morning chuckle: Rejoice! REJOICE!!! I have finally finished that guilt-inducing, mind-reducing ... .

Oct 25, 2017, 12:26pm Top

Happy to help out, Nancy.
Karen, I think *1 coffee* was Maron's first novel, so it's not up to her later standard (although the 2nd in the series was the worst, I thought). I lucked into her break-out book, The Right Jack first and was so enthralled that I had to have them all. The one time I heard her read, she was kind enough to sign my favorite, Baby Doll Games, in mass pb without a qualm - "For Peggy, who knows what it is to grow up Southern!" (We had a little discussion about names, going from chatty, obvious Margaret/Peggy to my confession of my 40s name, given me by my father and allowed by my mother.) BAD rules! At least try *Jack* if 1 coffee doesn't suit.
Roni, I was determined not to let the "they/their" business interfere with my enjoyment of the book, and it was not present except when Flick turned up --- but, yeah. I hope to have time to finish today. I've really enjoyed it even if she lost me from time to time.

Oct 25, 2017, 5:17pm Top


This isn't the kind of book that I "love," I don't think. It is the kind that makes me grateful to ER for giving me the opportunity to read something fresh and unexpected. I'd never have picked it up on my own, and it's worth having plodded through lots of duds in order to have a chance at it.
My real review is on the book page - a short one that doesn't do the book justice. I won't try more here. I'm ready, ready, ready to read something different! And it's time to walk with DH and May! YAY!

Oct 26, 2017, 11:05pm Top

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
Sound struggled to make its way through the thick synth-amneo fluid.
Brain death followed within minutes.
~ Six Wakes

***Quote of the Day***
Even those honest enough to admit to being wrong a thousand times are not honest enough to admit even once to being stupid.
~ David Kipp (*Epigrams*)

Oct 27, 2017, 1:29am Top

>84 LizzieD: I haven't made any progress the last few days--reading nonfiction and watching tv and kittens. I'll get back to it soon.

Oct 27, 2017, 1:36am Top

Just getting caught up here. Rl has been in the way. Oops!!

It's kinda late to wish you Happy Birthday, so Happy Birthmonth! Hope it is a great year for you. : )

Oct 28, 2017, 3:53pm Top

I want to throw out a request for participants in a group read of one of my favorite but relatively unknown fantasy novels, God Stalk by P. C. Hodgell. The "stalk" refers to stalking gods, not a stem. It is the first of a still ongoing series, but it is a complete story and easy to walk away from after the first book if you wish--indeed, all of us had to wait many years after this one to get a sequel. I am looking at possibly November, December or January for the time frame, but the actual month will depend on what those interested work out. If you would be at all interested, please PM me or drop by my thread and let me know.

Oct 30, 2017, 1:18am Top

Hi Peggy, I have some time and energy so I'm stopping by to say hi. I am so sorry your Mama has been ill. It sounds like she is recovering and you have begun to have some time at home. Care giving, even with an easy patient, is so physically and emotionally tiring.

I'm getting so far behind on my thread that it seems a daunting task to bring it up to date. But I will manage at some point.

My daughter-in-law has been in the hospital one week and expects to be there another four before they can do a C section. So I'm spending a lot of time making trips back and forth to the hospital and caring for their 4 year old. A delight but exhausting.

Oct 30, 2017, 11:03pm Top

Glad to see you, Jan! I went to your thread as you'll see when you have time to check it out again.

TAKE OUT by Margaret Maron

I've loved Maron's Sigrid Harald series, and this book wraps it up. She leaves Sigrid in a pretty good place with all ends neatly tied, so that was satisfying to me. I didn't like this one quite as well as the others, and I think that she didn't spend the time with it that she has done normally. MM says that she won't write more novels, that short stories are her preferred mode. This time it shows in needless repetition and missing reminders of who characters are. She has a ton of characters in this one, and sometimes I read confused. On the other hand, Maron is a crafty mystery plotter. *TO* follows three separate threads: the murder of two vagrants on a park bench by coumadin in the take-out boxes that they ate for their last meal; the appearance of a man claiming to be the son of Sigrid's dead lover, the artist Oscar Nauman; the near demise of a private museum in the house of a 19th century mogul, which was the setting of the next-to-last Sigrid Harald mystery. I guess I should say that Sigrid is a NCY police lieutenant, and in many ways this is a police procedural.
I'll eventually reread the whole series, and I think that they'll stand up well because her Deborah Knox books got better and better, the more she wrote.

Oct 31, 2017, 8:23am Top

Hi Peggy! I just saw the first sentence of your review and immediately stopped reading because I'm going to start the series with the first book next week sometime.

I hope you have a wonderful day, with lots of good reading in it.

How is your mother, by the way?

Oct 31, 2017, 11:31pm Top

I hope you love Sigrid, Karen!
I had a lovely day but not much reading. I hope to remedy that a little in just a few minutes.
My dear life-time friend Bev came by on her way from lake to Durham, and we had a fine visit. Mama enjoyed her too. And thank you for asking - Mama continues to improve bit by bit. She just finished A Gentleman in Moscow and ended up liking it O.K., but she wasn't carried away as I was. Her best friend is also reading it and isn't particularly impressed. Maybe it's a generational thing?

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
I'm staring at the insurance man and he's staring at me, two cold gray eyes behind old-fashioned tortoiseshell frames, and I'm having this awful and inspiring feeling, like holy moly this is real, and I don't know if I'm ready, I really don't.
I close the door.
~ The Last Policeman

***Quote of the Day***
Every great man has his disciples, and it is always Judas who writes the biography.
~ Oscar Wilde (*1,911*)

Nov 1, 2017, 9:06am Top

Hi Peggy!

We'll see if it's generational - I loaned my copy to my 83-year old neighbor Louise. I know your mama's in her 90s, but I think Louise counts in her generation, right? *smile*

Nov 2, 2017, 10:38pm Top

Uh - Karen - I'm pretty sure that Louise counts in my generation since she has just 10 years on me. She's younger than my SIL, in fact. I'll be interested to hear what she thinks about the book anyway. So am I in your generation?????

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
Every story has a beginning, and this is David Wallace's.
This was not an ending anyone would have wanted for him, but it was the one he had chosen.
~ Every Love Story a Ghost Story
(I'm not reading this yet, but it's on the READ NOW table. Instead, I'm rereading Friday's Child and A Great Deliverance. What can I say?)

***Quote of the Day***
How is the world ruled and led to war? Diplomats lie to journalists and believe these lies when they see them in print.
~ Karl Kraus (*1,911*)

Nov 3, 2017, 12:10am Top

>94 LizzieD: Kraus' quote is interesting, Peggy but I do think that most wars start with misconceptions and miscommunications and the egos of a few hotheads and bad men/women.

Nov 3, 2017, 7:43am Top

Hi, Paul. I don't know how long ago Kraus said it. I thought it was interesting and hoped it might start a bit of a discussion. I'm inclined to agree with you.

Nov 3, 2017, 11:13am Top

Good morning, Peggy!

>94 LizzieD: I'm 64, and you're .... 72? I think we are in the same 'generation'. My daughter's a Millenial.

I just did a bit of on-line research. I'm definitely a baby boomer and I think you probably are too - There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use starting birth years ranging from the early-to-mid 1940s and ending birth years ranging from 1960 to 1964.

Louise is 83 and is definitely in the Silent Generation - The Silent Generation is the demographic cohort following the G.I. Generation, roughly those born from the mid-1920s to the early-to-mid 1940s.

Your mother seems to be on the border of the Silent Generation and the G.I. Generation - G.I. Generation (also known as the WWII Generation, The Greatest Generation in the United States or Federation Generation in Australia) is the demographic cohort following the Lost Generation. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use the early 1900s as starting birth years and ending birth years in the mid-1920s.

Nov 3, 2017, 11:00pm Top

Thanks for the research, Karen! Mama is definitely the WWII Generation, a year younger than Daddy who flew a B-24 in the Pacific and was called "Pappy" by his younger crew. I was a war baby, 1944, so I just turned 73. I feel more like a baby boomer than Silent because I was part of the turbulent 60s in a fair-to-middling big way for NC. As I said, though, my oldest cousins and DH's sisters are certainly Silent, but are only 9 or 10 years older than we. It's all open to interpretation, I think!

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
I could see them from the dais: families and friends sitting on the risers, young students spilling out onto the grass, black-robed faculty members standing in front of their seats - all watching for the first graduates to begin their march down the grassy aisle between the folding chairs on the green.
They'll know it {black ice}, as least, when it appears: that the earth can stretch smooth and unbroken like grace, and they'll know as they know my voice that they were meant to have their share.
~ Black Ice

***Quote of the Day***
In two decades I've lost a total of 789 pounds. I should be hanging from a charm bracelet.
~ Erma Bombeck (*Last 637*)

Nov 4, 2017, 6:39am Top

You're welcome, Peggy! I hope you have a lovely weekend. It's too hot for November, IMO, but next week's supposed to get down a bit. I need for the bugs to go away - too many hornets and wasps are still about and we've been invaded by Asian Lady Beetles! I finally figured out how they were getting into the Sunroom and have stopped them.

Edited: Nov 4, 2017, 7:12am Top

>98 LizzieD: interesting talk of generations, Peggy. My mother had an older and younger sister, all fairly close in age, and then a brother 5 years younger than my mom. He's about 75 now. Ken always struck me as being from a different generation than my parents, and the reason was, as you put it, being "part of the turbulent 60s in a fair-to-middling big way." While my parents were dealing with babies, toddlers, and the early years of my dad's career, my uncle Ken was running around San Francisco Bay sowing his wild oats. Even though I'm 20 years younger than him, I always related to him in a completely different way from my other aunts & uncles.

Nov 4, 2017, 9:17am Top

In the transitional periods it really does depend on which way you skewed -- I think siblings, geographical setting, and other factors make the difference for individuals in those years. My youngest brother was born in 1961 but married a woman born in 1964 -- the oldest in her family -- so her brothers are all X-ers and she definitely is. Over time my brother has shifted and somehow fits better in the X category. I have three half-sibs who also fit better in that category.

Nov 6, 2017, 12:06am Top

Hi Peggy, I'm just stopping by for a quick hello. I've actually managed to post some books on my long neglected thread.
Sweet picture of the cuddling cats at the top of your thread. I love cats but I am extremely allergic to them. That's my loss.

Nov 6, 2017, 10:33am Top

Interesting conversation about generations. My sister whom I'm currently visiting was born in 1943 and I believe our father did not see her until after she was walking (he served in the Army in WWII). I was born in 1960, a late surprise. Not only are we of different generations but we have some very distinctly different experiences of our parents due to their evolution over the years.

Nov 6, 2017, 11:08am Top

Hi, Lucy, Jan, and Ellen! I looked up generation and found that 25 years is currently considered a generation. I guess that's 12½ years forward and back? That means that it's O.K. for me, for instance, to feel generational closeness both with Karen and her friend Louise.
I felt on the cusp most clearly in college. Queens had been a sort of polishing school through the 50s, but was becoming academically respectable through the 60s.
Jan, I'm sorry you're allergic to cats. I happily outgrew all of my allergies except the seasonal pollen ones. Anyway, I'm happy that you have time to be over here.

Nov 7, 2017, 11:24am Top

Just stopping by to say hi Peggy.

Interesting discussion on generational gaps - I can see the number of years changing depending on the circumstances. In some circumstances just 10 to 12 years seems enough to make a generational difference (I'm thinking of when I was leading a teenage youth group in my late 20s and sometimes felt like there was a generational gap between me and the teenagers - but maybe that would diminish as we both got older?)

I also wanted to say that I saw you had listed William Dalrymple's White Mughals on the TIOLI challenges this month and have reserved a copy at the library as I've been meaning to read more of his books for a while.

Nov 7, 2017, 11:11pm Top

Hi, Heather! I do remember those first years of teaching when only 10 years separated me from my students - but what a world of experience! Or it seemed that way to me.
I'm taking way too long to read White Mughals, and honestly, it's not as readable as *Holy Mountain*, which I could hardly bear to put down. It's good though. India fascinates me, and I didn't know anything about the British presence in the very early 19th century, nor was I as familiar with southern India, specifically Hyderabad and the Deccan. I'm finally getting into the romance.

FRIDAY'S CHILD by Georgette Heyer
I think that this was my very first Heyer, and I love it still. It's a lot like Cotillion, which I reread earlier this year. (They even have Kitty and Kitten for heroines.) Poor Sherry is no Freddy, but otherwise, this is a lovely romp. Think of all the light and frothy words, and apply them here.

Nov 7, 2017, 11:54pm Top

>106 LizzieD: Oh, I love that one too, Peggy, even though a number of other Heyer lovers here rate it lower. I love the growth shown by the main characters, and the side characters are some of her best!!


Nov 8, 2017, 6:12am Top

Grabbed these from https://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Generations.cfm.

I was interested to see if the generations were still aprox 25 years and from this I see that they are not, tending more towards 12 years now. I wonder if that is because technology is having such an impact on development and it is now changing so rapidly...

I am tail end of Baby Boomer, my siblings are Generation X and my kids are Gen next and Gen Z. Weird that this spans 4 labels.

Nov 8, 2017, 7:45am Top

>108 Berly: ooh, thanks for posting this Kim. Like you, I'm at the tail end of Baby Boomer (1962), my brother (1965) is at the start of Gen X, and my kids (1993, 1995) are on the edges of Gen next and Gen Z. Weird that we span 4 levels, and also weird that we are all "borderline" and likely to show traits from more than one generation. For example, I think I'm more Gen X than classic Boomer.

Nov 8, 2017, 8:19am Top

Thank you, Kim! That's very, very helpful. So I'm almost the end of Silent but feel more akin to Boomer.
Hi, Laura. I graduated from high school in 62. Oh my.

Nov 8, 2017, 8:32am Top

>110 LizzieD: Peggy, I remember when we first "met" here on LT I had posted a list of best-selling books from the year I was born (it was a thing going around the 75 group at the time). You enthusiastically recommend Powell's Dance to the Music of Time, for which I am forever grateful, and we discussed our shared love of The Raj Quartet. But I have also never forgotten your comment that you could have been my babysitter. Ha!

Nov 8, 2017, 9:39am Top

Hi Peggy!

Georgette Heyer is always a winner in my book.

>108 Berly: Since there is a great deal of time between generations on my father's side of the family, my paternal grandparents generation isn't even listed! (grandfather born 1879, grandmother born 1882). Since my sibs and I are all Baby Boomers, this is probably a tad unusual.

Edited: Nov 8, 2017, 11:40am Top

>109 lauralkeet: So you are pretty much in the same generation boat as me. Do you suppose that is a good thing? LOL

>110 LizzieD: And I do love me some Heyer!! Loving the discussion you have going here and I hope I am as young as you when I hit your age. I worry that I won't keep up with the technology as I get older. I already see my parents using less and less of the new stuff.

>112 karenmarie: That is a large spread of years! Did you know your grandparents at all?

Nov 8, 2017, 1:29pm Top

>113 Berly: My grandfather died in 1929, so no. My dad was born in 1921, so was 8 when his father died. My grandmother lived 'til 1964, so I knew her. In fact, she lived with us as far back as I can remember, moving from Nebraska to California to live with us. My dad was their only child.

Nov 8, 2017, 11:11pm Top

Visitors! I love you one and all - specifically Karen, Kim, and Laura!
Karen, your father and my mother were born in the same year, so her birthday next week will be #96! Her father's family had that same kind of stretch. A number of her first cousins were as old as her parents. My DH was born when his father was 70 - an afterthought indeed! We have more in common in that my paternal grandmother lived with us for 11 years or so, from when I was 13 until I was 24 or 5. It makes a different family dynamic, and kudos to your mother and mine for nurturing their MILs.
Not much going on in my reading. I'm liking everything - just not getting to anything for any length of time.

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
In this city there were many ghosts.
She turned and made her way, going home.
~ Blue Monday

***Quote of the Day***
If mankind had wished for what is right, they might have had it long ago.
~ William Hazlitt (*Epigrams*)

Nov 9, 2017, 1:49am Top

It was interesting to see Kim's generational chart. I was born in 1944 so that puts me at the end of the Silent Generation. I'd never heard of that category before but it makes sense as we apparently don't do much to get attention. In reality, I identify with the Baby Boomers.

Nov 9, 2017, 8:17am Top

Hi Peggy! You're lucky to still have your mother with you.

My Dad died in 2006 at age 84, 3 months short of 85. He never thought he'd live that long, as his father and paternal grandfather died relatively young (49 and 57 respectively), but got longevity genes from his mother's side of the family. He also got his height and facial features from that side, too. I don't know where the Pomeroy genes were hidden in that Patrick exterior..... *smile*

Nov 9, 2017, 10:40pm Top

>107 ronincats: *sniffle*

Nov 9, 2017, 11:02pm Top

Hi, Jan, Karen, and Roni!
Jan - you and me and my DH too! He was the first baby in the county in 1944.
I do know how amazing it is to have my mother still with me. Her mother died at 102, so those are mighty good genes. (Favorite family story: my cousin had been instructed to keep Great Aunt Daisy (age 98) awake, and making conversation, she said, "Let's see, Aunt Daisy. Aunt Cattie was your sister who lived the longest, wasn't she?" AD snapped, "I don't know. We aren't all dead yet.") (Aunt Cattie also lived to 102.) My father died in 1980 at 59 of leukemia that I'm pretty sure was a gift from WWII. He also had lung cancer, a gift of smoking from a very early age.
Sniffle, Roni? (((((((Roni)))))))

***Quote of the Day***
Anyone who says he can see through women is missing a lot.
~ Groucho Marx (*1,911*)

I mentioned on Karen's thread a wonderful explanation of daylight savings time by an old lawyer for whom my SIL worked for years. I can't find it, but here's his comment about the death of a friend, so you can sort of imagine how confused the time thing was.

"Sure is a terrible thing about poor ole' J. T.!

His son had been home for some time before his father's death, but had left and they telephoned him just after he got to the place he was going to leave from to go to where he belonged to be.

he determined that if he left from where he was then and came on home, he would have to turn around and go back there right after the funeral, but if he waited there and went from there on to the place he belonged to be, then he could leave from there and come back home and stay two weeks!"

(I'm guessing that this was during WWII, and the place the son belonged to be was a military installation.)

Nov 9, 2017, 11:25pm Top

Sniffle from being ignored up in >107 ronincats:.

Nov 10, 2017, 7:32am Top

Oh no! I ignored you??? *wail* You're my one and only Roni. You're even in my Fire dictionary. Come back, come back! I'm sorry.

Edited: Nov 10, 2017, 11:05am Top

Love the generational discussion. Had no idea about all the Z's and Alphas and so on. I'll have to go and read about what the rationale is. To me it's more like a slow wave . . . gradual shifts in the culture that really are significant over time, not happening at the same time in different places in this country.

Silents might have been silent, but I give them credit for implementing a great deal of social change (civil rights) on the quiet. You have to remember that the people in Selma etc. the organizers were well over twenty and more in their thirties and forties. That makes them late Silents. I also blame Silents for shopping centers, grouping the elderly in isolation (they thought it would nice but it isn't) and centralizing (rural esp) public schools (total disaster). Very into efficiency. Silents were very into consolidation and innovation, much of it appalling -- think New Math!

Boomers, and I think the dividing line between them and the Silents is the atom bomb and growing up in its shadow, are mostly a bunch of know-it-alls, loud and often quite full of baloney, which I know firsthand as I am one. Firmly in the crest of the wave. Despite the fact that Boomers tend to be somewhat self-absorbed and self-satisfied, and give themselves credit for things they participated in but did not spearhead I'm not even quite sure what our best contributions have been. Seriously. Women's rights? Recycling? (that might be one of our best) Computer technology? (how great is it?) The SUV? (!) Trump is a baby-boomer(ish) and he represents all that is the most revolting in our generation of total self-absorption and selfishness.

Nor am I sure I buy the quicker time frames. Both Xers and Millenials have a long way to go yet for anyone to determine what their contributions will be. To me any child born by 1999/2000 or who was still underage then or a very young adult is simply a Millenial. Between them and Boomers (who end in 1962 or 3 with Kennedy's death) are the X'ers. It's being completely overthought.

Those born after 9/11 are definitely of another generation and bear that terrible burden-- the repercussions have nowhere near stopped playing out, and we have no idea how this group will be as adults -- or we might just be starting to get an idea as the oldest are about to become more independent and go to college where the fun begins!

My child is a late millenial. So far I think the millenials have brilliantly raised gender awareness issues to new heights and that that is maybe their social contribution. Like us, with the ERA they might fail, but they might not as badly as we did--I think what you have, when you get real change, is that the previous generation (then usually in power when the young are protesting) takes enough of it to heart, to actually legislate the change. ERA in our generation failed because the Silents, in power, just couldn't get on that bus. Civil rights legal shifts happened because the War generation did get on the bus with the Silents.

OK I hope I haven't overstepped or offended anyone and I am happy, Peggy, to pull this off as it is your thread. It's all just my silly opinions anyway.

Back to add this link:

It's interesting, but I don't fully buy it really -- it's making too many distinctions, thin edge of the wedge and all that, so you could take the whole thing apart. There are huge differences in WHEN and even IF some of the changes even reach certain parts of the country -- although the cyber world could influence that. Anyway I don't think the differences are big enough between some of these groupings which I see as two fold between influences and achievements. The wave rises with influences on one side, and falls with achievements which likely spill over into the next group as it is rising.

OK, I really do have things I should be doing!

Nov 10, 2017, 11:19pm Top

Many thanks for giving this generational business some thought, Lucy! I'll have to try to get here when I have a mind to see if I think what you think. Off the top of my head, I certainly can see the wave with influences on one side and achievements on the other. Don't pull it, please!
Besides, I played at bridge today, so there's really not much left on the top of my head or anywhere else.

Nov 11, 2017, 6:49am Top

>122 sibyx: I loved this, Lucy. I found your analysis of what each generation has contributed very insightful, as I'd never thought of the Silents as the force for social change, nor was I aware of their passion for consolidation which makes total sense looking back. The ability to look back provides a whole new understanding of a generation, additive to whatever might have been apparent during their younger years.

I also share your optimism about the millenials' impact on gender. They've started something, for sure, and I continue to learn about aspects of gender that were simply either not understood or not discussed when I was a teen/young adult.

Edited: Nov 11, 2017, 8:34am Top

I'm relieved you all enjoyed this contribution!

Nov 11, 2017, 10:43pm Top

Hi, Laura and Lucy! I still can't think tonight. I know that my mind works on very specific, anecdotal evidence though. I'll try to get back here maybe tomorrow afternoon to see whether I have anything to contribute.

I enjoyed this pre-apocalyptic police procedural - a little less than Lucy did but still quite a lot. Our young police detective on the Concord, New Hampshire force, is who he is, and a huge piece of space debris set to hit Earth in six months is not going to change him. The disappearing adjuncts of civilization inspire a wide range of reactions. Hank Palace has picked up sensitivity to who is going to give up (hanging is the preferred method in Concord) and who is going to hang in instead. His policeman's instinct tells him that the death of an insurance actuary was not suicide, and he follows the trail in search of a murderer.
My only real quarrel with the book are the many times that he sees something that triggers another something in his mind that leads him a step closer to the murderer. It's not a real play-fair, and I tired of it after the first few breakthroughs. Otherwise, I was quite happy with the book, and I look forward to 2 more later!

Nov 12, 2017, 1:34am Top

I'm of course an Xer, born in 1971 and the self-absorbed greedy 80s were my defining years. Not easy changing perspective. Parents were baby-boomers in post-war Germany which makes a bit of a difference. But despite growing up poor they got used to an ever-improving financial situation in the later 60s, and that expectation was passed on to us Xers. When I now watch those of my generation who started a family, I'm mostly seeing over-anxious "helicopter" parents who can't let go of the idea that each generation must have more than the one before and therefore put their children under enormous performance pressure. But it's not the 80s/90s anymore when you were safe for life when you grabbed some job in a bank.
Contribution of us Xers so far to culture? I have no idea...

Wishing you a lovely Sunday, {{{Peggy}}}

Nov 12, 2017, 10:52am Top

Wishing Peggy a lovely Sunday from a member of Generation X who is trying manfully to avoid developing a bust!

Nov 12, 2017, 11:27am Top

Hi Peggy!

I loved The Last Policeman series and am glad you enjoyed the first of three.

Happy Sunday to you - I hope yours is more relaxing than mine. It's self-inflicted, but I'm in the process of making a complicated fruit cake recipe. So far today I've blanched and toasted hazelnuts, zested and juiced 2 oranges and 2 lemons, and made an approximate version of British Mixed Spice.

Nov 12, 2017, 10:40pm Top

Karen, I admire your enterprise, and I'm sure I'd more than admire the finished cake! More power to you!
Hi, Paul, you funny person! It's always a treat to see you here.
It's a treat to see you too, (((((Nathalie)))))! I decided long ago that nobody needs to grow up any better off than I was as a child - always had a roof over my head with plenty to eat, piano lessons, and a little more, all provided by loving parents who also taught me among other things that I didn't have to have everything I wanted and that I had a responsibility to give my best.
Hope everybody is refreshed and ready to tackle the new week!

Nov 13, 2017, 12:24am Top

>108 Berly: cool categories! I am a 1975'er, so technically a Gen x (I think).

^ My kids get way too much, but in comparison with some of their friends and all of their cousins, they get a lot less. Its a tough balance!

Nov 13, 2017, 11:02pm Top

Hi, Megan. I'm happy to see you here, and I'm sure that you're a superior balancer. I always had less than my friends and most of my cousins, and it never mattered. I never questioned or minded the difference. It was like they were supposed to have more stuff and I was supposed to be me. How arrogant is that!?!?!?!
I'm thrilled to say that my best life-long friend (I was in her wedding; she would have been in mine, but I didn't have attendants) and her husband are coming through town tomorrow, and we'll have lunch together. They are moving back to the Triangle after years and years in the suburbs of Philly. I'm thrilled!!!
AND my October ER ARC arrived today - Iain Sinclair's The Last London. It will be the first Sinclair London that I've read, and I'm highly optimistic.

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
'We're right on the crest of a slump,' said the football manager, in the soft west-country burr that was his career-defining gimmick.
Instead, he passes him a thick, upside-down book.
~ The Last London

*Quote of the Day***
Nothing in the world is rarer than a person one can always put up with.
~ Giacomo Leopardi (*Epigrams*)

Nov 14, 2017, 6:22am Top

Hi Peggy!

Very exciting - your best life-long friend returning to the area AND your ER book arriving.

I like the quote. It applies to several people in my life, fortunately for me.

Nov 14, 2017, 7:35am Top

Karen, this is the friend who will end up in F. Village. I'll be thrilled to have her in state.

Nov 15, 2017, 10:55pm Top

Today we celebrated my mama's 96th birthday with flowers and lunch and cousins calling and friends visiting and gifts and even a nap. Very, very satisfying, and I'm very, very thankful.

Nov 15, 2017, 11:30pm Top

Ah, happy birthday indeed to your mama, Peggy! I'm sure you made it perfect for her.

Nov 16, 2017, 4:26am Top

Happy belated birthday to your mama! Sounds absolutely lovely! Sending happy {{{hugs}}}

Nov 16, 2017, 7:57am Top

Happy Birthday to mama. 96 -- that's amazing.

Nov 16, 2017, 6:21pm Top

Happy Belated Birthday to your Mama, Peggy! Sounds like it was a lovely day.

Nov 16, 2017, 10:50pm Top

Many thanks for birthday wishes to my mom, Karen, Laura, Nathalie, and Roni! She will appreciate them all.

Nov 19, 2017, 8:04am Top

Happy belated birthday wishes to your Mama Peggy! Also hope you enjoyed lunch with your friend and how exciting that she is moving more locally to you. I've just barely started White Mughals and am finding it very interesting but feeling rather swamped with long books at the moment and not sure if I'll finish any of them by the end of the month.

Nov 19, 2017, 10:09am Top

Happy belated birthday wishes, Peggy. 96! You are lucky.

Nov 19, 2017, 10:54am Top

So much to be grateful for! Sending happy vibes your way...

Nov 19, 2017, 10:44pm Top

Ah, my starry friend, Beth, and Heather, I do know what a happy life I have! LT friendships are high on the list.
Glad you're enjoying the Mughals, Heather. All things Indian fascinate me, but I confess that late 18th century Deccan politics and British East India CO. politics are not among them for more than a page or so. I will finish them this month. I WILL!

Edited: Nov 22, 2017, 10:52pm Top

BLACK ROSES by Jane Thynne
This is the first of the Clara Vine mysteries/thrillers set in 1933 Berlin. Clara is an English actress who has come to Berlin to act in the movies that the Nazis are producing by the score. She quickly commits to spying on the wives and mistresses of the Nazi elite to whom she has access because her father is a very conservative MP. I like the series despite my doubts that Clara could really have escaped discovery as often as she does. In this book she's actually reading Goebbels's diary in his study when his assistant surprises her. How he doesn't see her with the book is still a mystery to me. At any rate, there's a murder and a bit of love interest and the totally fascinating and horrific life of women in the Berlin of the time.
I had read #s 2 & 3 and am glad to have the first one under my belt.
Back to the Mughals!

Nov 23, 2017, 8:31am Top

>145 LizzieD: I have these on my TBR list but the moment has never seemed right yet. It's just the right length for a series though so perhaps they might be good for the holiday period.

Nov 23, 2017, 8:59am Top

Words not needed!

Nov 23, 2017, 12:30pm Top

Nov 23, 2017, 12:34pm Top

This is a time of year when I as a non-American ponder over what I am thankful for.

I am thankful for this group and its ability to keep me sane during topsy-turvy times.

I am thankful that you are part of this group.

I am thankful for this opportunity to say thank you.

Nov 24, 2017, 12:16am Top

On this day of American Thanksgiving, I am grateful for many things, one of them being

Hope today was wonderful! : )

Nov 24, 2017, 11:48pm Top

I DO give thanks for LT and for LT friends! Thank you for good wishes, Beth, Paul, Jennifer, and Lucy!
Kerry, you could do a lot worse than Jane Thynne for light reading. There is a 5th book out, but I haven't gotten to 4 yet.

I reread this mostly to boost my numbers, and I liked it a lot more than I did the first time. I don't know what's the matter with me, but I was much less offended by her writing. She's not a master of the language, but these sentences don't seem to clunk as audibly this time through as I think they did at first reading. I may or may not continue. I don't think I'm going to make 75 this year anyway, so I'd really just as well read what I really want to. We'll see.

Nov 25, 2017, 1:41am Top

It's Kim. Not my Twin, Beth. But that's OK. ; ) Never mind the numbers! And I am glad you liked HP better the second time around.

Edited: Nov 25, 2017, 7:48am Top

Oh shoot. Late night I guess. Sorry, Kim. Thank you for being here and coming back.

Nov 25, 2017, 8:23am Top

Hi Peggy, and happy Saturday to you.

Hmm. I'm tempted to read Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone again - daughter got me the Illustrated Edition several Christmases ago and I haven't read it yet. Bad me.

Nov 25, 2017, 11:34pm Top

Hope you had a happy Saturday too, Karen! In spite of myself, I'm reading HP#2, so I guess I say you should give it a try again. (You're not bad if you don't!)
And in the meantime, I FINALLY finished.....

WHITE MUGHALS by William Dalrymple
As you know, I didn't find this as entrancing as WD's From the Holy Mountain, but it was mostly very good! The subject is the interaction between late 18th century Brits of the East India Company and the Muslim rulers of the Indian South. Our main character is James Achilles Fitzpatrick, Resident of Hyderabad until his death in 1805 (I think). He was one of the last to be so enamored of the life of the Indian natives that he converted to Islam and married a high caste Indian woman. WD's thesis is that these earlier British had none of the later racial prejudice of their successors, and more of them than we might expect adapted themselves to Indian culture.
Fitzpatrick's marriage was investigated several times, and there are several villains in the piece, most notably Henry Russell, his private secretary and assistant, who was simply a poor excuse for a human being.
The social history is fascinating. The love story of Fitzpatrick and Kair un-Nissa is compelling. I just bogged down in Indian politics and some of the war commentary.

One more thing! DH is a devout sports fan, and in the last couple of months he's noted the following two words spoken by two different sportscasters, which I pass on to you for the fun of the thing: "misconscrew" and "opitifies" - as "It's hard to misconscrew the values he opitifies." You're welcome.

Nov 26, 2017, 7:08am Top

I read White Mughals quite a while ago, pre-LT, and probably not long after reading The Raj Quartet because of a desire to learn more about the British in India. Like you I enjoyed the social history, and I bogged down in a similar fashion.

Sportscaster-speak is cringeworthy on many levels, but "misconscrew" and "opitifies" take the biscuit!

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Shame that White Mughals is dull, what a subject!

Nov 26, 2017, 9:27pm Top

Lucy, *WMs* is not even mostly dull, but it's long especially if you read the notes, so the dull parts hurt worse than they might in a shorter book.
Laura, I'm glad that we are like-minded about this one. As to sportscasters, their malapropisms are as funny to me as any I'd read. We'll be misconscrewing and opitifying for years to come.

Nov 27, 2017, 8:29am Top

The Harry Potters certainly "clunk" (nice expression) when translated into German, that's why I read them all in English where I'm far less likely to notice it. :)
I'm grateful for the series as it brought me to more serious English reading (right to Shakespeare because of the Hermione in "A Winter's Tale") and finally led me here as well, but I was never able to read the German book to my mum as I'd once planned.

A happy week to you and lots of {{{hugs}}}!

Nov 27, 2017, 11:30pm Top

(((((Nathalie))))), if for nothing else, I'm grateful to JKR and HP for bringing you here!
I swam and did housework and read a lot of Blue Monday, which I like a LOT! I'll have to try to find the kind person who was warbling about the series so that I can thank her. I just spent some of my birthday $ on Tuesday and Wednesday and a few Kindle books from the Cyber Monday deals. I'm glutted and happy!

Nov 27, 2017, 11:44pm Top

Oh help! I've won a copy of The Mad Patagonian from ER. What have I done to myself?????

Nov 28, 2017, 1:56pm Top

Hi Peggy!

When I clicked on the title, the first tag I saw was "1000-pages plus", and the second was semiotics. I had to look up semiotics and can only be grateful that although it may be a wonderful book, I didn't request it. *smile*

A serious chunkster indeed.

Nov 28, 2017, 10:24pm Top

I'm such a sucker for Latin American writing, Karen; I guess that was the appeal for me. I certainly didn't see anything about semiotics. Oh well. LT needs one dumb review.

In my frenzy to catch up in pursuit of the magic 75, I enjoyed this one too, but maybe not as much as the first. It's cute, but Gilderoy more than irritated me. I think I've topped out for now and must look elsewhere for short and fast.

Nov 29, 2017, 7:02am Top

LT needs one dumb review.

You crack me up, Peggy!

Nov 30, 2017, 5:40am Top

>163 LizzieD: Grrrr.... house elves in this one! :/ (+ Gilderoy, maybe my least favorite book of the series except for the ending of #7)

Happy Thursday {{{Peggy}}}

Nov 30, 2017, 7:27am Top

>164 karenmarie:. Karen, have you looked at the reviews already on the page? No way can I come close to somebody like the Tomcat!
>165 Deern:. Hi, (((((Nathalie))))), I do prefer young Harry, but maybe I'll read one more next month.

Nov 30, 2017, 8:46am Top

Hmm. Looks like there are two works that need to be combined. Three erudite and intimidating reviews and one copied but which noted the review's actual author.

It only requires 25 words to be considered a review, although "What Tomcat said" is only 3. You'd have to beef it up a bit.....

Funny - I never read reviews prior to starting a book. Do you always read them?

Nov 30, 2017, 11:56am Top

Hmmm. I don't know why I thought I saw a Tomcat review. I was thinking of my old friend Larry Riley. I will review it with what I have, which is something less. Hmmm. Do I always read reviews before books? In a case like this book, I may scan a few to see whether I want to ask for it. When you commented on the semiotics tag, I went back and read a little more.
Anyway, I don't have a lot of trouble with this next one!

BLUE MONDAY by Nicci French
I liked this psychological thriller so much that I ordered the next two in the series and can't wait for #2 to arrive. (I solemnly predict that #3 will get here first.) A psychiatrist, Frieda Klein, is the center of a search for an abducted child. The Frenches throw in several twists that I didn't see coming, and I advise other readers not to look at the last pages for anything! I like Frieda and look forward to understanding her backstory.
Many thanks to the friend who read and recommended this one, whoever you may be!

Nov 30, 2017, 12:04pm Top

You did see Tomcat's review, just separate from the others. If you search the site for The Mad Patagonian, it will show 2 works, one with 3 reviews, one with one review, Tomcats.

When I want to look at a book I'll click on it and see tags but don't scroll down to the reviews. Sometimes I'll go on over to Amazon to see what the summary and rating are. I don't read the Amazon reviews either.

Oh, oh! A book bullet if ever I saw one. .... and I just ordered a used copy from Amazon. Due next week or the week after.

Nov 30, 2017, 12:07pm Top

I am a Nicci French fan!! Glad you (both) have more books on the way!

Nov 30, 2017, 1:30pm Top

Thank you, Kim! She's a new favorite, and I'm sure I'll go through the whole week with her. Then I wish she may start on the months.
And thank you, Karen. I have lapses, and I was afraid that this was another one. Anyway, with Larry and Tomcat both giving it 5 stars, I may be intimidated, but I know it's worth trying.

Dec 1, 2017, 12:07am Top

>164 karenmarie: Me, too, LOL! Thanks for that, Peggy : ).

Dec 1, 2017, 12:32am Top

I can predict that you will become completely immersed in all seven of those Nicci French books -- I once read three of them in three or four days (when I fell behind!) The good part of having postponed until now is that they are almost all out (and "Sunday" just appeared in the UK, so you won't have to wait too long for it to show up here.) The killer (pun intentional) is that it ends with a bit of a cliffhanger, so it's not impossible that the husband/wife combo authors will do something creative from here. Months?

Meanwhile, I'm hoping for another Clara Vine mystery. Yes, I know she's too good to be true at espionage, but I still relish all the twists and turns. I'm enjoying that series a great deal.

Re Dalrymple, From the Holy Mountain remains hands-down my fave of his books. I don't think that he has the same touch when it comes to writing history as when writing travel (where he started out) or combination books, like his tomes about Delhi. I wish that he hadn't become quite as focused on India -- it feels too much like a modern version of the colonial era, in which the white Englishman/Scotsman goes off to India and makes his name for himself. I get a lingering feeling of discomfort reading some of his later writings; either he seems to be v. fascinated with the history of the British in India or is caught up in explaining India, and frankly, I'd rather read an Indian doing that. What made From the Holy Mountain work so well was that it was a unique concept/frame for a journey and a narrative, and few of his books have really matched that since, except the one about Delhi in which he peels back layers of the city's past.

Peggy, I can't remember whether you read those mysteries that started with The Strangler Vine? By M.J. Carter, aka the historian Miranda Carter. That was an excellent Indian mystery. Also can highly recommend the newer books by Abir Mukherjee (set in the immediate aftermath of WW1, in Calcutta. I'm waiting for a new MJ Carter mystery too... Sigh.

Generationally, I'm theoretically a baby boomer (1962) with most of my friends slightly older boomers, but I still feel at the tail end of the boomers, not capturing that experience, but being too old to feel a part of the Gen X experience, either. Now, I just feel old and out of it. Possibly because I have two elderly cats instead of kittens around the house? I don't know.

Dec 1, 2017, 11:11pm Top

Hi, Karen!
Hi, Suzanne! It was likely you also who spoke for Frieda Klein. I can't wait for the next one to arrive. The Sunday book is due out here in January. Maybe it will be available more cheaply by the time I'm ready for it.
My friend Elaine read Clara Vine #5 and was less than happy with it. I like her a lot, and these books have reawakened my interest in the whole Nazi phenomenon....hence, HHhH, which Judy/fonza recommended (or at least, she had read something newer by Binet which she liked) and which I'm liking when I get to it.
I think I now have access to almost everything Dalrymple has written. I love all things Indian/sub-continental, so I'm happy that he's spending time there. On the other hand, I'm a bit disappointed that nothing meets the high bar that *Holy Mountain* set for you. I will read the Delhi book next, but "next" is an elastic term. Meanwhile, I started Behind the Beautiful Forevers today, and I"m enjoying it very much.
I have read the M.J. Carter books, sort of. I read the first one, skimmed a bit of the second, and ditto the third because I got the third one for a short time through "Be the First to Read," I think. I will go back and read the last 2 thoroughly sometime. I think I also got a Mukherjee from your recommendation.....nope, but A Necessary Evil is in my price range, so I expect I'll have it before too long.
So today was a very good day. My mom played bridge, which she loves and adores, for the first time in months. I took her and stayed so that I could take her place if she needed to go home early. In the event she lasted the whole afternoon, and I sat and read happily: Penric's Demon and *Beautiful Forevers*. I'm enjoying both of them, adn they should help my lagging "books read" scores a lot.

Dec 1, 2017, 11:26pm Top

Hurrah for mom playing bridge and your reading Penric's Demon!

Dec 2, 2017, 12:09am Top

I will keep your India fascination in mind as I read! Meanwhile, I appear to be sustaining my interest in the 18th century.

"Beautiful Forevers" is fab.

Dec 2, 2017, 6:21am Top

Good morning, Peggy!

I'm happy to hear that your mom was able to play bridge and had strength for the whole afternoon! I can happily imagine sitting reading a book while one or more tables of bridge are going! Bridge isn't my thing and I've seriously embarrassed myself twice in my life, but I used to play pinochle with our family.

Dec 2, 2017, 11:04pm Top

WooHoo! Love seeing you here, Roni, Suz, and Karen!
The 18th century was fascinating, but I guess I'm equally fascinated by almost every prior century.
As predicted, the Wednesday book in the Frieda Klein series arrived today. Tuesday is still somewhere out there - mailed but not locate-able by Amazon's tracking. Maybe Monday. Meanwhile, I bought the next Penric, doggone it. I must say I resent paying $4 for 100 or so pages 5 times if I continue with them, and I guess I will. I'm also a bit embarrassed to count a novella as a book, but since LMcMB isn't ashamed to publish them that way, I guess I'm not above listing them separately. Heaven knows, if I'm to read 75, I need all the help I can get!

PENRIC'S DEMON by Lois McMaster Bujold
What a sweet little read! I love the universe of the 5 gods, and this was a pleasant, enjoyable, not negligible addition to the fantasy series.
When Penric, the younger brother of a minor lord, sets out for his wedding, he expects his life to be changed. Instead of acquiring a bride, he is inhabited by a female demon and heads for the nearest house dedicated to the Bastard (the 5 gods are: Father, Mother, Daughter, Son, and Bastard) to see what should be done. Penric is a dear, and Desdemona, his demon, is a mensch.

Dec 3, 2017, 1:49am Top

>178 LizzieD: Historical fiction is a favourite of mine, Peggy.

Wishing you onwards towards the 75. xx

Dec 6, 2017, 1:03am Top

Hi Peggy! Just finished Dominion on your say-so, or post-so. Pretty good, well thought out and researched historically. Not a great book. A decent one though, with an interesting concept and world. I enjoyed it quite a lot. Thank you!

Dec 7, 2017, 9:25pm Top

Hi, Peggy! I've been away from your thread quite a while . . .

Good discussion of the generations! I've always found the distinctions a bit artificial, or perhaps it's just the oft-mentioned overlap and disagreement over the dating of the different generations.

By the typical charting, I'm a different generation from both my brothers (who are much older) and husband (who is a bit younger). I'm not sure I see the world that much differently. The brothers are twins -- one is a Luddite, one has to have the latest tech everything, and my husband and I are both somewhere in the middle on that particular issue. We're similarly atypical for our various generations on other fronts.

The reality is people are people, and individuals have many forces shaping them in their lifetimes, whenever those lives may begin. But I do understand that there are general trends.

I'm still smiling over your 3-cat box thread topper. Two of them look a lot like my Sig . . . there's something so calming about a sleeping kitty.

Dec 7, 2017, 11:34pm Top

Hi, Rex! We're in agreement about Dominion, I think. I'd have enjoyed a little less of it, but that's about my only criticism. I'll tool on over to see you shortly.
Hi, Terri! What a treat to see you here!!!!! We are individuals for sure! I feel the 50s in my core, but the 60s inform my conscious thought processes.
Glad you have an orange tabby too.

I gave this one 4 stars, but as I think about it, I may have to revise up. This is a story book about the lives of a couple of families in a Mumbai slum from 2007 or so through 2009. Boo did her extensive research among the people and with the police and courts too. Aside from the harshness of their lives and their vitality and hope and despair, I was most struck by the corruption - top-down and bottom-up - that foils every attempt to intervene for a better quality of life. I was trying to say what I thought to myself when Boo said it for me: "When they were fortunate, like Asha, they improved their lots by beggaring the life chances of other poor people." I think that this is an important book.
I was almost put off by the title, which sounds like a 1930's attempt at profundity through opacity. It is, in fact, a straight-forward description of the site of the Annawadi slum behind a wall which blocks it from the view of people driving to the Mumbai airport. An add for floor tiles is repeated its whole length; they are promised to be BEAUTIFUL FOREVER BEAUTIFUL FOREVER BEAUTIFUL FOREVER BEAUTIFUL FOREVER BEAUTIFUL FOREVER.
Off to give another half star!

Dec 10, 2017, 7:12pm Top

>182 LizzieD: I liked that one too, Peggy.

Hope that your weekend has been lovely. xx

Dec 10, 2017, 9:04pm Top

Oh dear. I've just bought Blue Monday.
I've got Behind the Beautiful Forevers in the pile, or it would have been another BB.
You are definitely cranking out books!
I hope your week is a good one, and perhaps warmer than the last few days have been.

Dec 10, 2017, 10:31pm Top

Did you get snow, Jennifer? Dumb question - I'm sure you did, but I hope it's disappearing fast. I predict that you will turn pages quickly in both.
Hi, Paul. It was a pretty nice weekend, thanks. I cooked Saturday morning and listened to King Singers Christmas offerings on YouTube. Mama and I were both happy.

Dec 11, 2017, 7:01am Top


Dec 12, 2017, 9:00am Top

The above looks like something needing a flag?

Howling winds and snow falling here. I guess winter has arrived. Sigh. I have to flog myself out with the dog, who adores this sort of weather!!!! Miss Posey has a true nordic soul!

You've almost got me convinced to go for the Boo.

Edited: Dec 14, 2017, 3:04pm Top

>155 LizzieD: I'm glad you are enjoying HP on this read through Peggy. I confess I've never spotted anything in her writing style that annoyed me but I love that series so much I probably am not reading it at all critically.

I made some inroads into White Mughals last month but stalled after work went nuclear. I am now trying to work my through a number of very large books I was reading at the time (why I was reading so many chunksters together I don't know) and hope to get it finished this month. The Indian politics and war was quite hardgoing in places.

>178 LizzieD: Yay, I love the Penric books. I don't find the UK price too bad (about £2.50) for a short novel or novella. I know you can get full length novels for a £1 if they're included in the deals.

>182 LizzieD: Have heard lots of good things about Behind the Beautiful Forevers - added to the list.

>187 sibyx: It's weird but not commercial spam or a personal attack so I've left it unflagged for now.

Dec 12, 2017, 10:42pm Top

Hooray for a visit from Lucy and Heather! Thank you both!
I'm ignoring 186...... Checked out the profile, and the person has catalogued one book, The Hobbit.
We're expecting winds and cold and low wind chills tonight and in the morning. I'm more than usually grateful for a roof over my head and coal in the furnace (so to speak).
Heather, the Penric books are $3.99 each for Kindle. Since there are 6, that's about twice the price of a brand new book on Kindle. I just don't do that. Actually, I'm guessing that parallels the UK price.
Meanwhile, I'm loving Frieda Klein even of a day of Christmas lunching with my ma and SIL. One more Thursday, and my wild social whirl will be done for the season. *grin*

Dec 13, 2017, 7:18am Top

Hi Peggy! I'm glad that your "wild social whirl" will be done for the season soon. I'm still whirling - I've got one family party, two dinners with friends and one luncheon at my husband's company.

We had howling winds last night, and this morning it's 19F at the house, going to a high of perhaps 40F or so. Brrrr.

I'm happy about the election results in Alabama, so my malaise about the political scene is on the back burner for at least one day.

I have started Blue Monday. So far there are a lot of separate stories, but I like the writing and I'm sure things will start coming together soon. And, there's a map! I love maps.

Dec 13, 2017, 9:08pm Top

Hi Peggy, I'm just stopping by to say hello. I hadn't heard of Nicci French but her books sound like they're right up my alley. Enjoy your wild social whirl!

Dec 13, 2017, 11:01pm Top

Hi, Karen and Jan! I'm happy to be starting new Frieda Klein fans since I just finished book 2. She's really, really fun, and I'm sure I'll be into Wednesday by tomorrow!

TUESDAY'S GONE by Nicci French
This is another winner, second in the Frieda Klein series of 7 - at least so far; I hope that she'll take up months, having finished the week. Frieda is still working with the police, still in love with and missing Sandy, still observant and conscientious. Characters from the first book are present and we get to meet her brother, ex-husband of wild, crazy, and desperate Olivia and father of Chloe. We also get a tiny look at her past. I'm happy to be able to jump right into #3.

Dec 14, 2017, 3:04pm Top

>189 LizzieD: You're right about the overall price - and I think because I've mostly bought them as they've come out I've not quite added up the price of all 6 in my head. I think I'm just so happy there's new Bujold and I really love the Penric books.

Dec 15, 2017, 11:07pm Top

Hi, Heather. I agree about the wonderfulness of Bujold in general and the delight of Penric #1. I guess if I spread the rest out over a year or so, the price won't hurt so much. I do have #2 and expect to read it this month.
I swam and read a bit more than usual in my HHhH, which I am officially loving at this point. It's a bit meta - he writes about his dislike of the fictionalizing of RL events even while he works unsuccessfully at avoiding this in his own writing. I'm fascinated. He also recommends Jiri Weil's Mendelssohn Is on the Roof. I read JW's Life with a Star - one of the most important pieces of fiction for me in this decade. I even reviewed it.

Dec 16, 2017, 1:11pm Top

STORM FRONT by Jim Butcher

I was never attracted to the Dresden Files, but I loved Butcher's The Aeronaut's Windlass, so I thought I'd give Harry a chance. I was right the first time. I think it's good enough for what it is, but what it is is not my cup of tea. I wouldn't have bothered to finish it except that I need to count it toward my 75 with the year's end fast approaching.
S0 .......... a very powerful wizard detective in Chicago, who is a police consultant but at odds with the wizards' White Council, beats the odds against some very nasty customers.

Dec 16, 2017, 1:15pm Top

>195 LizzieD: Thank you, thank you! Butcher. Great minds and all that...

Dec 16, 2017, 1:16pm Top

And Life with a Star too

Dec 16, 2017, 2:59pm Top

I have been told that the Dresden books hit their stride about 5 books in--I've not gotten past the third so far so I can't say from experience. I wish he'd hurry up and publish the next book in the Cinder Spires series.

Dec 16, 2017, 3:52pm Top

>182 LizzieD: trying to think of where I have heard about this one from! Although, let's face it, to will be LT.
Glad you liked it and I love it when books get revised up...I figure if you're still thinking about it days later, (or weeks!!) it needs revising up :)

Dec 16, 2017, 11:17pm Top

I love visitors - especially when they are dear to me as Megan, Roni, and Rex are!
Roni, I'm with you. I was hoping for Cinder Spires 2 by now, and it's not appearing.
Rex, I'm happy that we agree, but how could we not? As it happens, I got book 5 of Dresden from PBS before I read #1, so maybe someday I'll try it. Meanwhile, I can't say enough about the profundity of Life with a Star. I'll get *Mendelssohn* on December 26 if I don't get it for Christmas. I'm being hopeful and not getting anything from my wish list at the moment. *grin*
Megan, I'm sure *Beautiful Forevers* is in your mind from LT. Apparently, it's on Obama's reading list and Kim has mentioned it pretty often.
I haven't done this forever, so ----

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
By the time they reached Selchester, Hugo's leg hurt like hell.
~ A Man of Some Repute

***Quote of the Day***
He not only overflowed with learning, he stood in the slop.
~ Sydney Smith on Macaulay (*1,911*)

Dec 16, 2017, 11:29pm Top

>200 LizzieD: Macaulay's slop is trumps dry bone.

Have a lovely weekend, Peggy. xx

Dec 17, 2017, 7:46am Top

Hi Peggy and happy Sunday to you.

>195 LizzieD: Hmm. There are 17 in the series. I have 11 of those 17 and have read 5. I got bored with the series after reading the 5th one. Looks like I should just get rid of 'em all to boost my Cull numbers for the year.

Dec 17, 2017, 10:47pm Top

Hi, Paul. I wouldn't even give him that!
Hi, Karen. It was a fine Sunday, and I'm girding my loins for next week. All I want to do is sit and read, or maybe nap, alas. I think I could let 11 Harry Dresdens go without too much trauma! (I heard that his later ones, while Butcher was going through a divorce, were not particularly good.)

Dec 19, 2017, 11:31pm Top

HHhH by Laurent Binet

I don't have it in me to do this tonight, but stay tuned. I was mightily affected and impressed by this one.

Dec 21, 2017, 2:02am Top

Hi Peggy, I had never heard of HHhH until now but I'm really looking forward to your review.
Have a wonderful Christmas with your family and many blessings in the New Year.

Dec 21, 2017, 9:03am Top

So glad to see First and Last (although I only saw one sentence?) and the Quote!

Dec 22, 2017, 4:21am Top

I was considering sending a Santa or Christkindl pic, but maybe a snow-covered family dog - Anton, my aunt Karin's Eurasian - serves better
as a neutral messenger for the joys of the year-end. :)

A Very Merry Christmas or Very Happy Holidays to all my dear LT friends and their loved ones.
May there be lots of great books under the tree or in the stockings, may there be your favorite foods on the table,
May there be joy and laughter and above all lots and lots of love around you and everywhere in the world.


Dec 22, 2017, 11:09pm Top

Thank you for wonderful Christmas wishes, Nathalie! I am in love with Anton although I couldn't be out long enough to play with him in all that snow. I guess tomorrow I start cooking, but I'll have to sit down to read some to cater to my bad back. That's good because however nearer the new year approaches, I'm still not able to read more than 15 or so minutes at the time.
Oh dear, Lucy, you're right. I'll add a last sentence when I have my Kindle here again.
Jan, I'm happy to see you, friend! It's too late again to write something about HHhH with the attention that it deserves. I'll try to get it done tomorrow or Sunday.

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
"It's a girl!"
You're a person.
~ Allegra Maud Goldman

***Quote of the Day***
We often forgive those who bore us, but we cannot forgive those who find us boring.
~ Duc de Rochefoucauld (*Epigrams*)

Dec 23, 2017, 10:38am Top

A MAN OF SOME REPUTE by Elizabeth Edmondson

This is a charming little Golden Age mystery set in 1953 and written by a contemporary woman. We have the wounded war hero with a younger sister for spice, who comes to work at a hush-hush branch of the service in a small English town. They are billeted at the castle which is being kept up by a cousin of the young woman who will inherit it and a very small staff. The former owner, Lord Selchester, apparently walked out into a blizzard 7 years earlier and has never been seen again. Then they find a body.
It's a pleasant way to spend a few hours, and I look forward to getting back to Selchester and Hugo and Georgia and Freya.

Dec 23, 2017, 10:57am Top

Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones.

Edited: Dec 23, 2017, 4:12pm Top

Hi Peggy. I do look forward to your comments about HHhH as it has been on my shelves for a few years now. I was thinking I might read it in November 2018 which is "H" month for the AlphaKIT challenge.

In the meantime, I also wanted to leave you some holiday wishes!

May your holiday season be filled with love, warmth, and good books.

Dec 23, 2017, 11:50pm Top

It is that time of year again, between Solstice and Christmas, just after Hanukkah, when our thoughts turn to wishing each other well in whatever language or image is meaningful to the recipient. So, whether I wish you Happy Solstice or Merry Christmas, know that what I really wish you, and for you, is this:

Dec 24, 2017, 8:26am Top

Hi Peggy!

Stopping by to wish you and yours all good things this holiday season.

New Year's Resolution: To come visit you.

Dec 24, 2017, 8:27am Top

Knowing you lights my world!
Merry Christmas! Peace and Joy!

Dec 24, 2017, 8:41pm Top

Dec 25, 2017, 3:38am Top

Wishing you all good things this holiday season and beyond.

Dec 25, 2017, 4:51am Top

Merry Christmas from Philadelphia, Peggy!

Dec 25, 2017, 11:48pm Top

You dear friends make this such a wonderful place! I'm not here long enough to visit your threads, and yet you take the time to send me greetings - amazing! Thank you, Darryl, Paul, Robin, Jenn, Karen, Roni, Ellen, and Barbara.
I hope that Christmas celebrations were deeply happy for all of you celebrants. We missed last night's candlelight service, and I'm sorry, but otherwise, this was a perfect weekend. We had a cousin for dinner with us, and that was also a treat.
Peace and Joy to you all! And Love!

Dec 26, 2017, 4:32pm Top

Happy Boxing Day!!

Edited: Dec 26, 2017, 9:36pm Top

Merry in between Christmas and New Year's to you, dear Peggy.

Edited: Dec 27, 2017, 7:32am Top

Thank you, Kim and Lucy! Today was our 47th anniversary, and we celebrated quietly.

DEATH OF INNOCENTS by A.J. Orde is/was Sheri S. Tepper

This is the last of the Jason Lynx mysteries, and I enjoyed it as I have almost everything else that SST wrote; I've read most of them. The plot hinges on one giant but believable coincidence - at least I persuaded myself that it was believable. Otherwise, I enjoyed her deft plotting and reading about the early happiness of Jason's marriage to his Grace. I wish that she had written more.

Dec 26, 2017, 11:50pm Top

Happy anniversary :)
What a milestone.
Also, happy holidays to you. Seeing as I missed Christmas, which I spent riverside in the shade while the kids swam....such is an Antipodean Christmas :)

Dec 27, 2017, 4:13am Top

All the best for the 47th Anniversary Peggy!

Dec 27, 2017, 8:26am Top

Good morning, Peggy!

I'm glad to hear that you had a perfect weekend.

It will be pretty cold for us here in NC this week, eh?

Dec 27, 2017, 12:01pm Top

Many thanks for sharing anniversary happiness, Megan, Nathalie, and Karen!
Yeah --- we're expecting freezing rain Thursday night into Friday morning. No joy there.
Off to continue Penric and the Shaman. I may make 75 after all.

Dec 27, 2017, 2:15pm Top

Merry Christmas and congrats on your 47th anniversary Peggy (and hubby). Cheering you on for 75!

Dec 27, 2017, 2:43pm Top

Oh, my, Happy 47 Anniversary, Peggy!

Dec 27, 2017, 2:56pm Top

Happy Anniversary, Peggy!

Dec 27, 2017, 5:50pm Top

Dec 27, 2017, 10:59pm Top

Yay! Thank you for Anniversary Congrats, Heather, Roni, Kim, and Nancy.
I grow nearer to the magic 75.......... I've started Allegra Maud Goldman, and I'm in love. "I was allowed to skip kindergarten. I already knew how to play."
Stasia and I are going to breeze through this one together. Then one more, which I haven't selected, and I'm there!

PENRIC AND THE SHAMAN by Lois McMaster Bujold
Penric #2 is as charming and readable as #1. I'm sure I'll eventually yield to temptation and add #3. Anyway, Penric and Desdemona have had four years to learn each other and refine their working relationship. I love the world of the 5 gods, and I love Pen. Happy Days!

Dec 27, 2017, 11:06pm Top

You could read Penric's Fox next, Peggy, as that is where it come chronologically. The other three are all linked into a single story line. All of them are charming and readable. ;-)

Dec 28, 2017, 8:39pm Top

Happy Anniversary!!!

Dec 28, 2017, 10:51pm Top

Happy Anniversary!!

Dec 28, 2017, 11:30pm Top

We thank you, Lucy and Jenn!
I am LOVING Allegra Maud Goldman. I advise you all to get a copy now so that you can read it quickly and get it to your favorite young woman!

Edited: Dec 29, 2017, 10:29pm Top


This little book is a classic. WHY is it not better known? We follow Allegra in her own words through her fifth through eleventh years more or less. Allegra is relentlessly rational. Her older brother David is sensitively artistic. Neither is ideal for their economically comfortable Jewish parents in the years before WWII. Allegra is a talented observer and a wry commentator. Not only is there a laugh on every page, but you will also find the stuff of life from the point of view of an uninhibited feminist. I'd love to quote and quote and quote, but I'll leave the pleasures to you when you have your copy.
I wish I'd had it to read earlier so that this could have been my 20th or 30th reread.

Dec 29, 2017, 3:57pm Top

>235 LizzieD: Glad to see you enjoyed that one so much! I am hoping to get it read over the weekend :)

Dec 29, 2017, 10:57pm Top

You will love it, Stasia!
I'm just a bit away from finishing Moonraker, a very short VMC, which will be #75 and mean that I have almost 2 whole days to decide what to jump on for 2018! I'm thrilled!

Dec 30, 2017, 7:31am Top

Early congrats on #75, Peggy!

Dec 30, 2017, 10:18am Top

Congrats on 75!

Edited: Dec 30, 2017, 11:46am Top

Many thanks for encouragement and early congratulations, Karen and Jim! The latter are now in order because I have done it!

MOONRAKER by F. Tennyson Jesse
This is really an impressive little book for 1927. Around 1800 Jacky Jacka runs off to sea at 15 or so, and his first sailing ship is taken by pirates on a beautifully managed vessel, Moonraker. In their next engagement they pick up a French passenger who persuades Captain Lovel to take him to San Domingo to warn Touissant L'Ouverture that Bony will not honor his commitment to him. We watch that whole disaster take place and meet both the Haitian and French generals. Meanwhile, we know Captain Lovel's secret, and Jacky does too except that he doesn't remember it.
This is both a feminist work and a defense of the rights of black people, wrapped up in a bit of adventure and romance. I'm happy to have achieved my reading goal with such an interesting book.

And now: FREEDOM!!!!!! I can read what I want, in fact I can read as many what-I-wants as I want at once without any trace of nagging doubts about meeting my goal. (I know that I still owe comments about HHhH, and I'll get them before the year is out.)

Dec 30, 2017, 12:21pm Top

Congratulations on reaching 75, Peggy!

Dec 30, 2017, 12:45pm Top

Congratulations on squeezing that 75th book into 2017, Peggy! I just finished A Gentleman in Moscow yesterday and loved it, btw.

Dec 30, 2017, 5:00pm Top

Congrats on reaching 75.

Dec 30, 2017, 8:06pm Top

The God Stalk group read thread is up in the 2018 group, Peggy, here:


Dec 30, 2017, 10:43pm Top

Thanks and curtseys to you, Anita, Roni, and Barbara.
Roni, I'm delighted to have another Count fan among my friends! I'll toddle right over to see about God Stalk. I sort of need a fantasy to join all my other things that I plan to start in the new year. That doesn't sound particularly promising for finishing anything, but my new year's resolution is not to accept challenges!
Today I had fun reading both Orfeo and The Last London, my November ER ARC. And I want to read the Wednesday Frieda Klein and Betrayer and start a big biography and and and and and!

Dec 30, 2017, 11:25pm Top

***First Sentence/Last Sentence***
My father died quite suddenly when I was in my late twenties.
We live in each other's eyes and our stories need not end.
~ The Vanishing Velazquez

***Quote of the Day***
I improve on misquotation.
~ Cary Grant (*1,911*)

Dec 31, 2017, 3:44pm Top

Hi Peggy!

Peace, Health, and Happiness in 2018

Dec 31, 2017, 8:04pm Top

Peggy, congrats on 75!

Dec 31, 2017, 8:04pm Top

Dec 31, 2017, 11:10pm Top

Thank you for good wishes, Karen and Robin!
I'm not going to be able to make the rounds, but I wish all my dear friends a happy, booky 2018!

Jan 1, 8:30pm Top

Happy 2018!!

Jan 1, 11:00pm Top

Lovely, Kim! Thank you!

I guess I'm heading over to the new digs now. Please join me there.

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