Spam reporting thread #59
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PROCEDURES FOR REPORTING SPAM
Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Spam#Procedures_for_flagging_and_repo....
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
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Overly enthusiastic Author:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/269688#6184018 (last two posts)
https://www.librarything.com/profile/cntjltd4_ (Author profile - Do not flag)
I've left a comment on the profile, so we'll see what happens.
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>6 lilithcat: Just because the two members are the only two with those books and they both have only those books?
Probably either totally forgot he had joined LT or no longer knew member name/password. After all, that was April, 2013.
Just because the two members are the only two with those books and they both have only those books?
That and the similar style user names.
Or not, as the group to which your first example was posted has been deleted (hurrah!).
>6 lilithcat: I'm going to say possible, but I thought that part of the newer user's name was an acronym for Tony Jones Limited. I might also be reading into it. So I chose to stay with just the one user to be safe.
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Hello - I have two questions that I hope someone will be able/willing to answer.
1. Is a library that has been around since 2014 but contains no books, considered spam? (eg - http://www.librarything.com/profile/alicejamesbooks123)
2. If a venue (in this case I discovered it through Local Venue) is marked as a bookstore, but is clearly not (it's a bar, with no connection whatsoever to books), do I report that as spam, just change the 'type' to 'other place', or mark as 'defunct'? (I changed it to 'other place', but perhaps I should have done something else..?)
It's not "defunct" unless it's closed. I'd mark it "other place". (There are bars that have occasional author events.)
We could give a more definitive answer if you could provide a link to the venue page.
Ok, thank you. I was just wondering because there are no books in the profile's library and she/it was the profile that entered the bar as a bookstore (http://www.librarything.com/venue/93188/Bar-13) -- I changed it to reflect it now as a food/drink venue.
Lilithcat: Thank you - I marked it as 'other place'. This is the venue page: http://www.librarything.com/venue/93188/Bar-13
>26 beaniebear: Probably joined to be able to enter the event there, and didn't bother to change the type of venue from default.
That is a fairly typical newcomer mistake, but entering such events is a desired activity, and not spam. And even if they had also taken part in publisher spam, the profile would not be flagged.
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Things are slow tonight! Those were still up for me to flag after two hours.
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First four in >39 Taphophile13: are still active.
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(Please don't flag http://www.librarything.com/profile/ShankarNKashyap
While looking at the library in >60 MarthaJeanne:, I was struck by the fact that *one* of the books appeared elsewhere, and was reviewed. Hmmm, I said. I think I'll go off and look. It sure looks like reviews for pay to me (but I've always been cynical).
ETA: I'll probably go back and flag all those reviews. I'm busy at the moment, but it surely seems called for.
>61 Lyndatrue: Interesting too that, except for two unrated books, all the rest are rated five stars. Do most people love every book that much?
>61 Lyndatrue: I Googled "SusanKeefe" and the first hit was for her pay-for-review site.
>63 amanda4242: She doesn't charge for the review. How can you accuse her of having a pay-for-review site?
"(2) Below is the total fee I charge to review and promote your book/eBook/audiobook. Please note my fee is for the promotion of your book not for the review – this ensures that my review is unbiased."
Her fees are based on the length of the book. She says "I will send you a copy of the review, for your approval, before posting it on the sites you request". Other than placing the book on Amazon, B&N, GR and LT (if it's not already there) how is she promoting the book?
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>74 Taphophile13: The problem may be that it's not a free account. I just flagged it from my other account, so we'll see if that helps...
Not sure why this account is "lifetime" (but it *is* from 2015, and may be under that umbrella from when there were accounts grandfathered in).
ETA: It may require staff participation.
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>79 gilroy: I got two friend requests with various forms of the name.
>85 gilroy: The first one was posted after I left a message for him. The second breaks into a specific thread discussing a different book. The author did respond to my message and seemed a little surprised that his posts were not welcome everywhere.
ETA: those are now gone. Unfortunately someone replied to his post in >84 Taphophile13: so that one won't disappear.
Once again, people have flagged an author review. I wonder how many times it needs to be said that authors are explicitly permitted to review their own books?
Sure, it's tacky, especially when the author awards himself 5 stars. But it's still a review and it's still not a TOS violation.
Pity that thread won't disappear. When will people learn not to respond to spammers?
>84 Taphophile13: Review also needed flagging (posting it for the sake of completion).
One has a certain pity for him.
>87 lilithcat: Many times, when you've pointed this out (review by author is permitted), you've been correct. However, that isn't the author's review; it's a radio interview that he's cut and pasted, and I'm fairly sure that it fails the smell test.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think a discussion of the book, whether via prose or an interview transcript, is still a review.
Do I wish authors weren't allowed to do this? Or that we'd finally get that long-promised marking? You betcha!
Certainly doesn't incline one to rush out and buy his book, does it?
>95 lilithcat: I just left the traditional message, and was about to post the same.
ETA: Topic is gone now.
Oh, lor', he's posting the same message in slews of threads in Hobnob and Brag and Rag Bag, even irrelevant ones.
>97 lilithcat: Funny (in a sad sort of way). He posted a thank you reply to me, but I'm not all that sure he's grasping the point.
>97 lilithcat: Wish he had done this in other groups after you'd warned him. This is so a flaggable offense to do that crap, but he's in the right group...
I flagged the posts that didn't match the thread discussion in both groups. Copy and pasting is spam.
>100 2wonderY:, particularly obnoxious when he did it in a thread that was specifically about how to avoid being obnoxious with self-promoting
Since you may not have much time to do a social round, the occasional appearances that you make are sure to create a greater impact. Such functions make use of the glitterati for their individual needs so as to add as much glamour as possible and attract the attention of media and the public alike. (translation = escorts)
>104 Taphophile13: Don't you think they would attract even more attention if they took good books around with them?
Spam book: http://www.librarything.com/work/20410830 by
Spam author: http://www.librarything.com/author/coastalclouds with a
Spam review: http://www.librarything.com/profile_reviews.php?view=coastalclouds by a
Spam member: http://www.librarything.com/author/coastalclouds who also uploaded a
Spam author image: http://www.librarything.com/pic/6040938
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Author spam. Please do not flag http://www.librarything.com/profile/Lisa_Gentile_Samia
I wonder why she gave it only 4½ stars; she gave her other book 5.
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>132 Taphophile13: Any idea what their blurb is trying to say?
"Bangalore Escort agency noticeably huge for everybody especially in this advanced world considering Independent Escorts in Bangalore the amount of increment of contention."
>133 2wonderY: That's some Google Translate garbage. Are they saying we're a large escort agency and better than anyone else?
Found two more:
" It mind boggling employment and it is harder for human females than for whatever other well evolved creature."
[Are we now competing with other creatures for employment?]
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Spam member: http://www.librarything.com/profile/royal_stone
Spam book: http://www.librarything.com/work/20531323 with spam review and
spam author image: http://www.librarything.com/new_pic.php?picture=6054691
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and review: http://www.librarything.com/work/20534360/reviews/147357798
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and this work: http://www.librarything.com/work/20541866/editions/147411798
missed reporting this spam work from above
Enthusiastic author (although I really REALLY want to flag the profile, too)...
http://www.librarything.com/profile/Greg_Kopp (please don't flag the profile, no matter how deserving)
ETA: I believe his collection of books could stand a bunch of combining as well, since most of them seem to be the same book in different languages, and no, I'm not the right person to do it, since I barely have command of one.
Author profile: http://www.librarything.com/author/koppgregory
>146 Lyndatrue: Actually, when I look more closely, I believe that there are two works in his catalog (in multiple languages).
The topic is gone, and I forgot to mention that I left the usual message on the profile.
While humanitarian efforts are always a noble cause, I do not think LT is the place to request donations.
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>159 passion4reading: I'm going to write a bug report for that one.
>161 bernsad: I agree. They went way above the 17 allowed syllables.
Yes, it happens. I had one in my challenge thread once. It's hard to see why anyone would think that this sort of behaviour would help sell anything.
>159 passion4reading: Welp, guess I should have read the rest of the posts. I just edited that "Haiku" away. Normally, if it says "description" I look and delete it automatically, when I'm voting on the spam designation. I just missed this one.
>160 MarthaJeanne: Sorry. I think this messes up the bug report you just made, here:
I actually see those with many of the spam works, and usually delete them. I don't think I'd ever known there even *was* a page where the Haiku is collected, although I suppose I should not be surprised. It *is* LT, after all.
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Thank you to the others who were working on the spam page just now. Scary long columns of active spammers!
One last check- yes the last two way down the page are gone as well.
>172 MarthaJeanne: It's now mostly recreational; and here's hoping it doesn't morph back to what it used to be!
>175 Lyndatrue: You know, I think this isn't new. I could *swear* I've left her a note before. She's one of those "reviewers" that has a bunch of books of which she has the ONLY copy, and which she just LOVES.
Reading through the comments that are there still don't make me all that happy, either.
Is this still Monday? Bleagh.
>176 Lyndatrue: Look at how many author pictures she has uploaded have comments and since been removed.
Joined two weeks ago, no books, homepage is his SEO/webmaster site.
This is old spam from seven years ago. I am tired of deleting the canonical names from this crap. There must be a better way.
Could someone contact a staff member to see if they can bulk delete the CNs and then handle the spam the way we do it now?
(staff refuses to answer me on any given issue)
Still only Tuesday. More airlines: https://www.librarything.com/topic/273369
And another one: https://www.librarything.com/topic/273372#
Someone is working overtime!
No. 4: https://www.librarything.com/topic/273377
I think someone's posting them as quickly as I report them!
No. 5: https://www.librarything.com/topic/273378#
This is getting ridiculous! I do have other things to do today.
>184 passion4reading: If possible, try to include a profile link. If we can kill the profile, the threads go quicker.
>190 gilroy: Thanks for the suggestion, I'll remember for next time. I'm still very new at this!
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I think that the algorithm's been overwhelmed. I'm finding a lot of one-off escapees, and a few in the spam folder that seem hard to put to bed as well.
The live ones are gone now, but it was actual *work* to get that way, and I keep finding one more to kill, also.
Never mind the second item. It was flagged while I try to post.
I don’t know about the last account. I am not so sure now...
https://www.librarything.com/profile/Johnypapa is still alive.
See also https://www.librarything.com/work/20586801/147748924
The other book might be legit.
>199 Yamanekotei: Do you see spam activity by those other profiles, or is this based on that weird book?
>199 Yamanekotei: >200 MarthaJeanne: >201 gilroy: Okay, I've just now started the process to drag staff in on this one. I'd been fighting the Johnypapa thing since yesterday. Of late, the spam folder often seems like it's slow to kill, and I try to help (which usually works), but *that* account just won't die. Pare of it is that work which has the trappings of legitimacy (and, while that ISBN isn't found, the authors, used singly, are all three legitimate). Usually, spammers are dumb, but this one's got me baffled.
I need to drink more coffee, and think about it for a while. I do think that the work, while coming close to a legitimate work, ought to be flagged as spam.
As an aside, all four copies of the book are using that cover. You just can't make this crap up.
ETA: >205 Taphophile13: Just saw your post (I should type faster). This is a clever person behind that account. What a shame.
That "book" is the first item that comes up if you try to add a book with the ISBN "1111111111"
I think in this case it is a red herring - bad data, but not in itself indicative of a spammer
ETA: the other 3 users who have that book in their catalog all added it years ago, and all were added from Amazon.com.
>206 Lyndatrue: Thanks for pinging me! Got the Johnypapa account zapped, and am keeping an eye on flagged accounts to make sure there's not something larger wrong with the spam flagging system. This one had 12 flags and was still standing, which isn't good.
>207 norabelle414: I think you're right there—looks like bad data. However, none of the other accounts in >199 Yamanekotei: seem to have any good data, so I'm inclined to think they're still probably spam and that I should go ahead and mark them as such. Thoughts?
>208 lorannen: Kill them with fire, that's what I say. I'd guess strongly that those accounts were set up to spam; just a guess, but it's a very educated guess. Of course, we also need to remember that I'm heartless.
>208 lorannen: I don't see any evidence that they have actually spammed anyone, they're just not in use. I doubt that they have colluded since the accounts were started (and added that bad book data) in 2010, 2013, and 2016.
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Vandalism of http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page - see https://www.librarything.com/topic/273720
Duplicated here for completeness:
And more Wikithing vandalism:
http://www.librarything.com/profile/techline - http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Ccleaner%E2%88%91*internet%2B18%C3%94...
Is there a way to delete Wikithing spam pages? See those at http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges
Do Wikithing pages created by flagged/suspended profiles get deleted?
More Wikithing spammers:
>215 rodneyvc: Your example was not deleted when the member was suspended. I could delete the content but not the title.
>218 MarthaJeanne: The titles are still really spammy - it would be good to have the pages deleted.
Is there a way to delete these spam pages from the Wiki without getting staff involved?
This is a link to "Uncategorized Pages," bringing up the last 500.
Please note they are almost all Spam...
ETA Oh and the Wiki Help page? Spam now too: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents
Is there a way to kill the wiki spam? I was looking at recent changes and at least 500 recent changes are spam.
>229 gilroy: Yep, I'm on it. Currently working on finding the end of this really unpleasant rainbow (erm, beginning, rather) so we can just revert all changes. It's... a lot.
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