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Joe's Book Cafe 2017 Door 20

This is a continuation of the topic Joe's Book Cafe 2017 Door 19.

This topic was continued by Joe's Book Cafe 2017 Door 21.

75 Books Challenge for 2017

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Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 12:33pm Top

Art by David Hockney

Welcome back to the cafe!

Edited: Oct 2, 2017, 7:05pm Top

2017 Books


1. The Strange Death of Fiona Griffiths by Harry Bingham
2. Bright Dead Things by Ada Limon (poetry)
3. The Girl Who Drank the Moon by Kelly Barnhill
4. Love Story with Murders by Harry Bingham
5. Four Swans by Winston Graham
6. This Thing of Darkness by Harry Bingham
7. Tell Me by Kim Addonizio (poetry)
8. Lola by Melissa Scrivner Love
9. A Robot in the Garden by Deborah Install
10. The Dead House by Harry Bingham
11. Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance
12. Suspended Sentences by Patrick Modiano
13. Queen of the Tearling by Erika Johansen
14. The Selected Poetry of Rainer Maria Rilke translated by Stephen Mitchell
15. The Invasion of the Tearling by Erika Johansen


16. The Fate of the Tearling by Erika Johansen
17. City by Clifford Simak
18. Eggtooth by Solia Carrock
19. The Black Moth by Georgette Heyer
20. A Lady of Quality by Georgette Heyer
21. Rules of Civility by Amor Towles
22. Binti Home by Nnedi Okorafor
23. Friday's Child by Georgette Heyer
24. The Dry by Jane Harper
25. I Will Have Vengeance by Maurizio De Giovanni
26. The Simple Truth by Philip Levine (poetry)
27. Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace!!!
28. Six Wakes by Mur Lafferty
29. Away with Fairies by Kerry Greenwood
30. The Sandman Omnibus Vol. 1 by Neil Gaiman*


31. News of the World by Paulette Jiles
32. My Favorite Thing is Monsters by Emil Ferris*
33. Ethan of Athos by Lois McMaster Bujold
34. Nightmare in Pink by John D. MacDonald
35. The Last Detective by Peter Lovesey
36, There Are More Beautiful Things Than Beyonce by Morgan Parker (poetry)
37. The Assault by Harry Mulisch
38. Tenant of Wildfell Hall by Anne Bronte
39. Scriptorium by Melissa Range (poetry)
40. World of Edena by Moebius*
41. A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman
42. The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything by John D. MacDonald
43. Rolling Blackouts by Sarah Glidden*
44. Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman
45. Lucifer at the Starlite by Kim Addonizio
46. Echoes in Death by J.D. Robb


47. The Deep Blue Goodbye by John D. MacDonald
48. I Contain Multitudes by Ed Yong
49. The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu
50. Tender: Stories by Sofia Samatar
51. We Are Legion by Dennis Taylor
52. The Nonesuch by Georgette Heyer
53. Just So Happens by Fumio Obata*
54. Wild Nights: New & Selected Poems by Kim Addonizio
55. I Must Be Living Twice by Eileen Myles
56. The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
57. A Purple Place for Dying by John D. MacDonald
58. Lincoln in the Bardo by George Sanders
59. Sylvester, or the Wicked Uncle by Georgette Heyer
60. The Quick Red Fox by John D. MacDonald
61. Nutshell by Ian MacEwan
62. Orphan X by Greg Hurwitz


63. A Deadly Shade of Gold by John D. MacDonald
64. The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson
65. Eggshells by Caitriona Lally
66. Bright Orange for the Shroud by John D. MacDonald
67. Incendiary Art by Patricia Smith
68. Men Without Women by Haruki Murakami
69. Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer
70. The Sun is Also A Star by Nicola Yoon
71. The Someday Birds by Sally J. Pla
72. The Nowhere Man by Greg Hurwitz
73. The Toll-Gate by Georgette Heyer

74. Vicious Circle by C.J. Box
75. No Middle Name by Lee Child
76. 99 Poems by Dana Gioia
77. The Angry Tide by Winston Graham
78. The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomer
79. The Deepest Grave by Harry Bingham
80. Imagine Wanting Only This by Kristen Radtke*
81. By the Shores of Silver Lake by Laura Ingalls Wilder
82. Planetfall by Emma Newman
83. Breath, Eyes, Memory by Edwidge Danticat
84. Czeslaw Milosz Selected Poems Revised
85. The Crossing Places by Elly Griffiths
86. The Janus Stone by Elly Griffiths


87. Grief is the Thing with Feathers by Max Porter
88. The House at Sea's End by Elly Griffiths
89. Olio by Tyehimba Jess
90. Turbo Twenty-Three by Janet Evanovich
91. Dr. Mutter's Marvels by Cristin O'Keefe Aptowicz
92. No Matter the Wreckage by Sarah Kay
93. Room Full of Bones by Ellie Griffiths
94. The Golem and the Jinni by Helene Wecker
95. Robert B. Parker's Kickback by Ace Atkins
96. Hercule Poirot's Christmas by Agatha Christie
97. Crooked House by Agatha Christie
98. Never Go Back by Lee Child
99. Who Fears Death by Nnedi Okorafor
100. The Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff
101. Leviathan Wakes by James S. Corey
102. Everything, Everything by Nicola Yoon
103. Arabella of Mars by David D. Levine
104. The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue by Mackenzi Lee


105. Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz
106. Brand New Ancients by Kate Tempest
107. The Best We Could Do by Thi Bui*
108. Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
109. The Gene by Siddhartha Mukherjee
110. The Windfall by Diksha Basu
111. leadbelly by Tyehimba Jess
112. Selected Poems of W.H. Auden, selected by Edward Mendelson
113. The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemesin
114. Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson
115. The Jane Austen Project by Kathryn Flynn
116. Horse and Rider by Melissa Range
117. Silence Fallen by Patricia Briggs
118. To Siri, With Love by Judith Newman
119. Stag's Leap by Sharon Olds


120. Blind Justice by Bruce Alexander
121. Nest of Vipers by Andrea Camilleri
123. The Stone Sky by N.K. Jemison
124. Knockemstiff by Donald Pollock
125. The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
126. Glass Houses by Louise Penny
127. Secrets in Death by J.D. Robb
128. Words Under the Words by Naomi Shahib Nye
129. Autumn by Ali Smith
130. Don't Call Us Dead by Danez Smith
131. The Miller's Dance by Winston Graham
132. The Girl Who Takes an Eye for an Eye by David Lagercrantz
133. Why Buddhism is True by Robert Wright
134. Cousin Kate by Georgette Heyer
135. Electric Arches by Eve Ewing


136. Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine by Gail Honeyman

Graphic Novels and Illustrated Books

1. Jessica Jones Pulse by Brian Michael Bendis
2. The Singing Bones by Shaun Tan
3. Whiteout by Greg Rucka
4. Jane, the Fox and Me by Fanny Britt
5. Monstress by Marjorie M. Liu
6. The White Donkey Terminal Lance by Maximilian Uriarte
7. Paper Girls Vol. 2 by Brian K. Vaughan
8. Ms. Marvel Vol. 6 by G. Willow Wilson
9. The Flight of the Raven by Jean-Pierre Gibrat
10. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
11. The Girl Who Played With Fire by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
12. Radiant Child by Javaka Steptoe
13. Coward by Ed Brubaker
14. Bandette Volume 2 by Paul Tobin
15. Saga Volume 7 by Brian K. Vaughan
16. Criminal Volume 3: The Dead and the Dying by Ed Brubaker
17. Lazarus Vol. 3 by Greg Rucka
18. The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
19. Jane Austen Cover to Cover by Margaret C. Sullivan
20. Cinnamon by Neil Gaiman
21. Strong Female Protagonist by Brennan Lee Mulligan
22. Black Widow S.H.I.E.L.D. Most Wanted by Mark Waid
23. Big Appetites by Christopher Boffoli
24. Lucifer Book Five by Mike Carey
25. One Hundred Nights of Hero by Isabel Greenberg
26. Vagabond VIZBIG Edition, Vol. 11 by Takehiko Inoue
27. Tales of Honor On Basilisk Station by David Weber
28. The Encyclopedia of Early Earth by Isabel Greenberg
29. Wonder Woman Volume 1 The Lies by Greg Rucka
30. Dresden Files Fool Moon by Jim Butcher
31. Dresden Files Downtown by Jim Butcher
32. Buffy The High School Years by Kel McDonald
33. Lazarus Volume 4 by Greg Rucka
34. Wonder Woman Vol. 5: Flesh by Brian Azzarello
35. The Adventures of John Blake by Philip Pullman
36. Roughneck by Jeff Lemire
37. Wonder Woman Bones by Brian Azzarello
38. Archie Volume 1 The New Riverdale by Mark Waid
39. Tokyo Ghost by Rick Remender
40. Guardians of the Louvre by Jiro Taneguchi
41. Sleeper Season Two by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips
42. Batman Hush by Jeph Loeb
43. The Girl from the Other Side by Nagabe
44. The Girl from the Other Side 2 by Nagabe
45. Black Hammer by Jeff Lemire
46. Scene of the Crime by Ed Brubaker
47. Spill Zone by Scott Westerfield
48. Quest by Aaron Becker
49. Return by Aaron Becker
50. Stumptown Vol. 4 by Greg Rucka
51. Ms. Marvel Vol. 7 by G. Willow Wilson
52. Valerian Complete Collection 1 by Pierre Christin
52. Valerian Complete Collection 3 by Pierre Christin
53. Paper Girls Vol. 3 by Brian K. Vaughan
54. Surreality by Caleb King
55. Monstress Volume 2 by Marie Liu
56. Catwoman Volume 3 by Ed Brubaker
57. Fatale Volume 2 by Ed Brubaker
58. Birdsong: A Story by James Sturm
59. Valerian Complete Collection 2 by Peirre Christin
60. Jessica Jones Uncaged by Brian Michael Bendis
61. Fatale Vol. 5 by Greg Rucka
62. Lazarus Vol. 5 by Greg Rucka

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 12:37pm Top

I'm just going to post the pics from our Berkshire trip here. Explanations at the end of the previous thread.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 1:35pm Top

Along the Cliff

The Fool walks along the cliff
A small dog at his heels.
He has forgotten how to laugh.
He is gathering wildflowers, to
Fill his cloth sack.
He stoops and reaches, taking in
Sadness after sadness.

I love him
And my love falls like a
Pebble rattling into a deep
Stone basin, down
And further and finally:
The echo, the silence.

He is filling his sack
As fast as possible:
Flowers! Flowers! Flowers!
His dog smells a weather change
And cowers beneath a tree.

The Fool dances like
Some bear crazed with pain:
Flowers! Flowers!
He paws awkwardly at the
Sun growing hot in his belly.
A step, the pain, the Sun,
Topple from the cliff toward
The road far below.
I reach out to him:
Together, we fall inward.
In darkness, in silence,
One returns, one doesn't.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 12:51pm Top

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 1:06pm Top

David Zinn

Sep 19, 2017, 12:52pm Top

Happy new thread! Love all the photos here

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 1:21pm Top

Thanks, Chelle!

First in the door - you and your family win this natural playground. Have fun, my friend.

Sep 19, 2017, 1:06pm Top

catching up on the old thread and here is a new one! Have really enjoyed the photos on FB. I'm not much of a Hockney fan. He had a big exhibit here in San Francisco a couple years ago that was way overhyped - but I did find myself liking a fair bit of it - I'm just not wowed.

Glad your meetup went so well.

Sep 19, 2017, 1:18pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. I really love the art in >6 jnwelch:. So adorable. And one of my favourite fall activities. :)

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 1:34pm Top

>9 RBeffa: Hiya, Ron. I'm glad you've been enjoying the photos on Facebook. These at least give folks an idea. I wish it was as easy to post them here as it is on FB.

Sorry you're not more of a Hockney fan. There's always that personal element when it comes to art. There are folks who don't like another favorite of mine, Edward Hopper; one guy said they're too depressing.

For me, Hockney has a distinctive grasp of color that I like, and there's a stillness in his paintings that gets me.

>10 MickyFine: Hiya, Micky. Thanks. Isn't that Zinn art fun? Seemed appropriate for this time of year.

Sep 19, 2017, 1:59pm Top

Previously, in the thread preceding this one, mention was made of Margaret Atwood being lauded at the Emmy show.

It reminded me of my (naive) astonishment, the year the film of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest swept all the major Oscars, that Ken Kesey's name didn't cross anyone's lips. I was especially stunned that the screenwriters, Lawrence Hauben and Bo Goldman, in accepting their statuettes didn't express any gratitude for the marvelous characters and story they had to work with. Thanks to Kesey, of course. It was as if they conceived and fleshed out the entire thing.

So it pleases me to know that original authors occasionally do get recognition for their foundation contribution.

Sep 19, 2017, 2:42pm Top

>11 jnwelch: good points on Hockney, Joe. I can see that. He had a very cool video presentation at the deyoung museum which has become a permanent installation. It is mesmerizing.

I'm a very big Hopper fan. he's one of my favorites.

Sep 19, 2017, 2:57pm Top

>1 jnwelch: big fan of Hockney. Went to the great retrospective of his work this year. They wouldn't let me borrow one. Happy new thread Joe. Glad you bought the holiday photos across too.

Sep 19, 2017, 3:18pm Top

Hi Joe and happy new thread.

I still have Glass Houses on my shelves waiting to be read - just finished A Gentleman in Moscow earlier today and was completely blown away. I also like the Eve Dallas series - I think I'm up to #40. *smile*

Thanks for sharing the pics of your trip. And yum to fresh pie and fresh fruit salads!

Sep 19, 2017, 4:00pm Top

Happy new thread buddy.

Like the look of the Berkshires.

Also enjoyed the poem and will avoid picking wildflowers close to the cliff edges.

Sep 19, 2017, 4:08pm Top

>12 weird_O: Good story, Bill. Thoughtless, egocentric, ignorant behavior by the movie folks. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a great book, and there would've been no movie without it. Makes me even happier about the Atwood recognition. Maybe more thought will be given to the authors going forward.

>13 RBeffa: Oh, I hope I get to see that mesmerizing Hockney presentation at the DeYoung museum some time, Bill.

Hopper gets me every time. Good to hear you're a fellow fan.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 4:18pm Top

>14 Caroline_McElwee: Thanks, Caroline. They wouldn't let me borrow one. LOL! Debbi and I always play that game at museums - which ones do we wish we could take home and put on the wall.

I'll bet that was a great Hockney retrospective. I did see the ones they had at the Tate, and enjoyed them.

>15 karenmarie: Wasn't A Gentleman in Moscow great? Wow, the touchstones have completely bailed on me all of a sudden. I'll come back later, and see whether I can fix that. I loved every minute of reading AGIM.

I know, I eat up the Eve Dallas books like popcorn. How she (Nora Roberts/J.D. Robb) manages to write such interesting ones so fast, while she's writing other bestsellers so fast, is beyond me. A little research here and there, and the rest must just flow out of her.

You're welcome re the trip pics. Oh, that food was so good. My wife has talked nostalgically about the wonderful meals she ate there growing up, with fresh-picked corn and green beans and so on. She wasn't exaggerating.

>16 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul.

Also enjoyed the poem and will avoid picking wildflowers close to the cliff edges. Ha! I appreciate it, mate. With Ellie gone, I hardly get any comments on the poems these days. But posting them helps motivate me to put the final polish on. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Sep 19, 2017, 4:22pm Top

>18 jnwelch: I'm sure you know what I mean.

Yep, well my own thread is pretty much used for the same purpose!
Interestingly I have been talking to a publisher friend of mine here who has published a number of local poets and there is a distinct possibility that my own may see the light of day in the local shops here. Would expect to sell at least ten copies as I could probably afford that much!

Sep 19, 2017, 4:28pm Top

>19 PaulCranswick: Sounds great, Paul. Put me down for a copy.

I'm going a different route. Daughter #1 is submitting mine to various journals. We'll see if any bite. So far I got a very polite rejection from the editor of the UK pub "Acumen", who found "much to enjoy", but sadly, not enough. :-)

My plan is to perhaps wallpaper a bathroom with rejection letters.

Sep 19, 2017, 4:33pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!
You made me happy with the David Hockney toppers, I am a fan.

Sep 19, 2017, 4:43pm Top

>21 RBeffa: Thanks, Ron. Intriguing. I wonder whether I'll like his video art close to as much as his painting. There have been video pieces by other artists that I've liked, but far more that I haven't, or that've left me "meh".

>22 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita! I'm glad those Hockney toppers made you happy. Me, too. He has created so many good ones in his career; I thought these showed a bit of his range.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 6:01pm Top

This is fun, if you can access it: http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/09/classic_footage_shows_holly...

It's a promo for the movie "Anatomy of a Murder", with my namesake, the original jnwelch, in it. There's some kind of retrospective going on, so the article and promo just came out in my home state.

Sep 19, 2017, 6:00pm Top

>21 RBeffa: Great Joe, that is eleven copies pretty much guaranteed! I will be a best-selling poet at this rate.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 6:07pm Top

>25 PaulCranswick: LOL! You're on your way, brother.

Sep 19, 2017, 6:47pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe! Love the Hockney toppers and his nice use of the color blue. I was not familiar with his work.

Love the photos of the Berkshires. Gorgeous views. Looks like a place I should visit.

Sep 19, 2017, 6:49pm Top

>4 jnwelch: I love "Along the Cliff". Is this one of yours? If so, what was the inspiration?

Sep 19, 2017, 6:56pm Top

Aha! I KNEW they were Hockneys before I got to the bottom. His paintings are always so filled with light. Just as Hopper's are filled with darkness, even when the sun is shining. (I'm thinking of that house by the railway, so deserted in the harsh sunlight.)

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 7:06pm Top

>27 msf59:, >28 msf59: Thanks, Mark!

Glad you like the Hockneys. His work is worth getting to know. Yes, you'd love the Berkshires, for sure.

Hey, great! Yes, "Along the Cliff" in >4 jnwelch: is one of mine. One of my college roommates died, driving his motorcycle off a cliff on the west coast. I'm pretty sure it was suicide. No matter how much good stuff came his way, it was never enough. It also made me think, for some reason, of the Tarot card "The Fool." The card is a powerful one that signifies a new beginning - and the ending of an old life.

Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 7:05pm Top

>29 ffortsa: Ha! Well done, Judy. It's a satisfying feeling to be able to recognize an artist's work, even when it's the first time you've seen it.

Nice point about light and dark, Hockney and Hopper. I think this is the house by the railway you mean?

Sep 19, 2017, 7:12pm Top

>30 jnwelch: Wow! It sounds like an inspiring and tragic moment. Were you close to the guy?

Sep 19, 2017, 7:14pm Top

>18 jnwelch: I think, Joe, the NYT had an article this month about a NYC school teacher who really, really liked a particular Willem de Kooning painting. So he sliced it out of its frame in a museum in Arizona, took it to his retirement home in New Mexico, and had it hanging in his bedroom for 20-some years. If a prevailing theory as to his motive is true, he just liked it.

Kind of like borrowing. Both he and his wife have died, the painting's been recovered.


Edited: Sep 19, 2017, 7:21pm Top

>32 msf59: Right. Yes, we were all close (I had four roommates). It hit all of us hard.

P.S. It was one of those Richard Corey-type situations. He grew up in Beverly Hills, and had an awful lot going for him. But his home life was lousy. My condolences phone conversation with his spaced out mother was one of the worst of my life.

Sep 19, 2017, 7:18pm Top

>33 weird_O: Wow. Thanks, Bill. That's some borrowing.

We just dream, and refrain from slicing.

Sep 19, 2017, 7:19pm Top

That is tough! Especially at such a young age. Nice tribute.

Sep 19, 2017, 7:22pm Top

>35 jnwelch: Thanks, buddy. I added some p.s. info in >34 jnwelch:. Thanks a lot for taking a keen interest.

Sep 19, 2017, 8:54pm Top

Happy new thread!

Sep 19, 2017, 9:06pm Top

>38 drneutron: Thanks, Jim!

Sep 19, 2017, 10:08pm Top

>31 jnwelch: That's the one.

Sep 19, 2017, 10:37pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. Nice vacation and meet up pictures. The Anatomy of a Murder promo was an interesting clip - loved the clothes and those hats.

Sep 20, 2017, 7:52am Top

Morning, Joe!

Lovely and sad poem, Joe. And thanks for the explanation for its inspiration.

Sep 20, 2017, 7:58am Top

Hi Joe and happy Wednesday to you!

I've never seen Anatomy of a Murder but I loved the book.

Sep 20, 2017, 9:03am Top

>40 ffortsa: Makes your point, Judy. I always loved this one.

Sep 20, 2017, 10:14am Top

I remember a fair bit of Anatomy of a Murder, but the details of the ending are murky. I had the book, but it got mangled somehow, part of the cover torn off. Never read it. I was just starting prep school/high school when the Preminger film was released. My roommate got the Duke Ellington music on vinyl and I remember how great that music was.

Mr. Welch, AIR, was the guy who *finally!!* shut down Joe McCarthy.

"Senator, may we not drop this?...Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

Edited: Sep 20, 2017, 10:20am Top

>41 Familyhistorian: Darn, lost the post the first time, Meg. Fingers crossed.

Thanks re the thread. I'm glad you've enjoyed the pics. I'll try to get a couple up today from our visit to Edith Wharton's home and garden in Lenox.

Isn't that fun to time travel with the Anatomy of a Murder promo? That was an exciting time for the first jnw and our family, although I was only a wee lad at the time.

>42 scaifea: Thanks, Amber. I'm glad the poem worked for you, and I appreciate your letting me know. The explanation got me thinking about things I hadn't thought about for a long time. We're lucky to have a curious Mark on the premises. :-)

Sep 20, 2017, 10:21am Top

>45 weird_O: I remember my mother telling us the story of watching the McCarthy hearings. She quoted Mr. Welch almost verbatim and said he was riveting. A true American hero, speaking truth to power.

Sep 20, 2017, 10:23am Top

>43 karenmarie: Thanks, Karen!

The Anatomy of a Murder movie is great, and worth your tracking down. It won the Academy Award that year. Phenomenal cast.

I'm embarrassed to say I haven't read the book yet! We have it, so there's no excuse.

Sep 20, 2017, 12:54pm Top

>45 weird_O: Hi, Bill. Yes, I love the Duke Ellington music, too.

You can see that exchange with McCarthy on Youtube, and there's an excellent documentary called "Point of Order" that tracks the Senate hearings and that dramatic moment, including everyone there walking out as McCarthy continues to ramble on.

You can imagine, we've been seeing and hearing his "have you left no sense of decency" line again a lot since we entered the Trump alt-right era.

>47 NarratorLady: Nice to hear, Anne, thanks. We've had a lot of people tell us over the years about how they were riveted, watching him and the hearings. They were the first televised Senate hearings, and a big deal for everyone back in the 50s.

Edited: Sep 20, 2017, 6:42pm Top

>44 jnwelch: LIKE!

Happy Wednesday, Joe. I finished work and now I am at a bar, in the blessed a\c, drinking $3 pints and waiting for Bree to join me. B.A.G.

It was a hot one today. Whew! Glad I am off tomorrow.

Sep 20, 2017, 6:09pm Top

>50 msf59: Hiya, Mark! Isn't that a cool Hopper painting in >44 jnwelch:?

You're in just the right place, my friend. Say hi to Bree for us. Yeah, surprisingly hot today. Do you have tomorrow off? Sweet!

Sep 20, 2017, 6:43pm Top

Yes, I am off tomorrow. LOL. And I was completely sober when I posted that.

Sep 20, 2017, 6:48pm Top

>52 msf59: LOL! Please post again after a few $3 pints. We'll compare.

Sep 21, 2017, 1:29am Top

Here's a Hopper for you Joe - a pic I took about 4 years ago - floral artists create bouquets to accent paintings in the museum. This is Edward Hopper's Portrait of Orleans, 1950 and it is one I am fond of.

Sep 21, 2017, 5:04am Top

>3 jnwelch: great pictures, looks like a successful trip.
I am (srsly) about to go to bed and hit the books, pleasure reading that is, but doing a few quick hellos on my way :)

Sep 21, 2017, 6:22am Top

Morning, Joe!

Sep 21, 2017, 8:15am Top

>54 RBeffa: Nice one, Ron, thanks.

I can see the flower sculpture picking up the oranges and yellow in the painting.

>55 LovingLit: Hiya, Megan. Thanks. 'Twas.

Thanks for stopping by before book/bedtime.

>56 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

Edited: Sep 21, 2017, 8:21am Top

In Corpus Christi, TX

Sep 21, 2017, 8:39am Top

Morning, Joe! Sweet Thursday. I am off today and it looks like a perfect day, to stay in with the books. I hope to get to plenty of poetry and GNs too.

Edited: Sep 21, 2017, 8:41am Top

^My contribution to Mr. Hopper.

Sep 21, 2017, 9:11am Top

>31 jnwelch: That picture looks eerily like the local Glenmore Mansion. See https://glenmoremansion.com/

Sep 21, 2017, 10:15am Top

>58 jnwelch: Would brighten my day to see traffic lights like this, Joe, like!
From yellow to orange to red for stopping and from violet to blue to green for driving through;-)

Sep 21, 2017, 10:20am Top

>59 msf59: Sounds great, Mark. Enjoy!

>60 msf59: Nice one. Hopper posts really dress up the place.

>61 thornton37814: Hi, Lori! I can see the resemblance. I don't know where the one is located that Hopper painted.

>62 FAMeulstee: Wouldn't it, Anita? My understanding is that it was put up by an LBGT group for its rainbow message.

Sep 21, 2017, 5:54pm Top

I love that living sculpture and the painting. I wonder what kind of music would go with both of them? Or what kind of poem?

That is a really cool idea to pair another medium with an original artwork.

Sep 22, 2017, 8:08am Top

Morning, Joe!

Sep 22, 2017, 8:17am Top

>64 benitastrnad: Good deal, Benita. A tip of the hat to Ron.

We might get something like a caption contest going for it. Personally I'm thinking Stravinsky music (maybe from the rite of Spring)? A rhyming poem with flower and bower and tower in it?

>65 scaifea: Morning, Amber! Happy Friday, my friend.

Sep 22, 2017, 9:20am Top

Morning Joe, well at least it is here. Have a great day.

Sep 22, 2017, 12:29pm Top

Here, too, Meg. Morning! Thanks for checking in. Hope you also have a great day.

Edited: Sep 22, 2017, 12:29pm Top

Sep 22, 2017, 3:26pm Top

>69 jnwelch: Love it!

Going back a little further, I think the Army/McCarthy hearings were the impetus for my parent's first TV purchase. My mother too was riveted. And we got to watch cartoons. I'm not sure I should say thank you or not!

Sep 22, 2017, 4:18pm Top

>70 ffortsa: LOL! I wonder how many folks went out and bought TVs back then, Judy, because of the Army-McCarthy hearings? A lot, I imagine. It was such a big deal. Cartoons were a big deal, too, I'm sure. :-)

It reminds me of when I convinced Madame MBH that we needed to get cable tv. Michael Jordan was in his heyday, and the Bulls games were broadcast mostly on cable. I told her that he wouldn't be playing forever, and I had to be able to see him play. :-) She humored me, thank goodness.

I got a big kick out of >69 jnwelch:, too!

Sep 22, 2017, 6:15pm Top

I'm so impressed by Danez Smith's Don't Call Us Dead, which made the NBA longlist. Here's one from it. Love the title!

Dinosaurs in the Hood

By Danez Smith

Let’s make a movie called Dinosaurs in the Hood.
Jurassic Park meets Friday meets The Pursuit of Happyness.
There should be a scene where a little black boy is playing
with a toy dinosaur on the bus, then looks out the window
& sees the T. Rex, because there has to be a T. Rex.

Don’t let Tarantino direct this. In his version, the boy plays
with a gun, the metaphor: black boys toy with their own lives,
the foreshadow to his end, the spitting image of his father.
Fuck that, the kid has a plastic Brontosaurus or Triceratops
& this is his proof of magic or God or Santa. I want a scene

where a cop car gets pooped on by a pterodactyl, a scene
where the corner store turns into a battle ground. Don’t let
the Wayans brothers in this movie. I don’t want any racist shit
about Asian people or overused Latino stereotypes.
This movie is about a neighborhood of royal folks —

children of slaves & immigrants & addicts & exiles — saving their town
from real-ass dinosaurs. I don’t want some cheesy yet progressive
Hmong sexy hot dude hero with a funny yet strong commanding
black girl buddy-cop film. This is not a vehicle for Will Smith
& Sofia Vergara. I want grandmas on the front porch taking out raptors

with guns they hid in walls & under mattresses. I want those little spitty,
screamy dinosaurs. I want Cicely Tyson to make a speech, maybe two.
I want Viola Davis to save the city in the last scene with a black fist afro pick
through the last dinosaur’s long, cold-blood neck. But this can’t be
a black movie. This can’t be a black movie. This movie can’t be dismissed

because of its cast or its audience. This movie can’t be a metaphor
for black people & extinction. This movie can’t be about race.
This movie can’t be about black pain or cause black people pain.
This movie can’t be about a long history of having a long history with hurt.
This movie can’t be about race. Nobody can say nigga in this movie

who can’t say it to my face in public. No chicken jokes in this movie.
No bullets in the heroes. & no one kills the black boy. & no one kills
the black boy. & no one kills the black boy. Besides, the only reason
I want to make this is for that first scene anyway: the little black boy
on the bus with a toy dinosaur, his eyes wide & endless

his dreams possible, pulsing, & right there.

Sep 22, 2017, 6:54pm Top

>72 jnwelch: I LOVE this! Those closing lines are awesome. I plan on getting to this collection very soon.

Happy Friday, Joe! Ridiculously hot out there today, especially for September. I survived. I am having a session IPA, catching up on a few threads and getting ready for the Cubs game.

Sep 22, 2017, 9:14pm Top

>72 jnwelch: Absolutely fabulous.

Sep 22, 2017, 11:39pm Top

>69 jnwelch: Don't you just hate when you forget you already have the costume on?! LOL

Sep 23, 2017, 6:58am Top

Morning, Joe!

Sep 23, 2017, 8:34am Top

A bit late but congrats on your shiny new thread, Joe. I love the topper. Whing you a wonderful weekend.

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>73 msf59: Isn't >72 jnwelch: great, Mark? What a talent.

Nice Cubs win last night! We got back from dinner in time to catch the end. Great play by Russell, sticking with the tag.

>74 NarratorLady: Oh, good, I'm glad to hear it. Isn't it, Anne? To me, that's in an elite group of really successful poems.

P.S. There's a longer response post down in >88. I thought I'd missed your original post!

Sep 23, 2017, 10:50am Top

>75 Berly: Ha! Hiya, Kim. Oops. He's gonna have a new look for a while, our friend Clark.

>76 scaifea: Morning, Amber! I'll stop by and catch up on what's happening at Scaife Manor.

>77 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. I hope you're feeling improved, and that you have a good weekend.

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>24 jnwelch: Thanks for sharing that promo, Joe. I read Anatomy of a Murder long ago, probably in high school, when I had a bit of a "true crime" spree going on, literarily speaking. I believe I've seen the movie as well, but don't recall it very well. It's clearly time to revisit both versions!

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Happy Saturday, Joe! I survived the scorcher. I also stopped and picked up a 4-pack of Working for the Weekend, from Spiteful Brewery. It is a double IPA. This is not my photo but it captures the spirit of the moment.

Hope you had a good day. We are heading out to dinner and brews, with family.

Sep 23, 2017, 6:47pm Top

>72 jnwelch: Great poem!

And congrats on the new thread.

Sep 23, 2017, 8:27pm Top

Picked this one up at our local libation place today. Haven't tried it yet, but Paul assures me it's his go-to Yorkshire beer.

Sep 23, 2017, 9:17pm Top

>83 drneutron: On draught, Jim. I did qualify!

Have a great weekend, Joe and enjoy one whether out of a bottle, a tin or a tap!

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I started reading the 2015 winner of the Harper Lee Legal FIction Award this week. Secret of Magic by Deborah Johnson and it grabbed me right away. It is very good. The Harper Lee Award is given by the University of Alabama Law School, which is where Harper Lee graduated from. My real life book discussion group is reading it and it is a good'un as we say back in Kansas. I should mention that Johnson is the first black woman to win this award. In fact she is also the first black person to win this award.

Sep 24, 2017, 9:13am Top

Morning, Joe!

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>80 laytonwoman3rd: You're welcome, Linda. I got such a kick out of the old-timiness of that Anatomy of a Murder promo, and it was nice to see our grandpappy enjoying the glam life. (That was his second wife, who I don't remember - he died when I was six, but I remember him well).

If you liked the book, you're likely to love the movie on a revisit. And I'll get my act together and finally read the book.

>81 msf59: Hiya, Mark. Hope you had a good time last night having dinner and brews. That Working for the Weekend Double IPA looks irresistible! How'd you like it?

We're agreed to put a visit to Spiteful Brewing on the agenda, and I'm curious about that Band of Bohemia - a Michelin-rated brewpub? 4710 N. Ravenswood, so not far. Maybe it's too fancy for the likes of us, but I'd like to give it a look.

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>74 NarratorLady: Whoops. How did I miss you, Anne? Isn't that poem absolutely fabulous? He just nails it, left, right and sideways. His new book that has it included, Don't Call Us Dead, is so good. That poem's unique, but I thought what he has to say in the book about being black, and being gay, and living in this world, and the way he says it, is powerful.

BTW, what are you reading these days? I always enjoy hearing. I've got the 9th or 10th Poldark going, The Miller's Dance, and the latest Lisbeth Salander, and I'm going to read Eve Ewing's new poetry collection. There's an excellent article about Eve Ewing in today's Chicago Tribune. She's another Young Chicago Authors grad.

And I want to get back to Heyer! Cousin Kate is my next one, as I work through Julia's rated list.

Hey, now I see I didn't miss you, Anne. Just a longer second post. :-)

Sep 24, 2017, 9:46am Top

>82 banjo123: Thanks, Rhonda. That's one strong poem, isn't it. There are lots of good poems out there (happily), but every once in a while one gets it right every which way. This one is one of those for me.

Maggie Smith's Good Bones, that I posted a while back, is another one: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/89897/good-bones

And thanks re the thread.

>83 drneutron: Oh yeah. Thanks for the pic and the reminder, Jim.

I have had the Sam Smith nut brown ale a few times, and really enjoyed it. It's been way too long since the last one - you're inspiring me. Let me know what you think of it.

>84 PaulCranswick: On draught would be outstanding, I'm sure, Paul. Some day I hope to have one like that.

We're having a great weekend, thanks. Fantastic 12 course dinner at a tucked-away Michelin-rated restaurant called Elizabeth on Friday (small portions, mostly tapas-sized), relaxing yesterday, and today we head to a church where Madame MBH is going to perform a story.

Hey, don't miss the poem up in >72 jnwelch:, mate - it's a good 'un. Hope you're having a great weekend yourself.

Sep 24, 2017, 9:51am Top

>85 benitastrnad: Thurgood Marshall was a miracle, wasn't he, Benita? The Secret of Magic sounds mighty good, thanks. One of these years you should think about setting up your own thread - you have a lot to share with folks.

>86 scaifea: Morning, Amber! How's it going with the in-laws? Mark and I are close enough to you that we can ride our horses over and pitch in if need be. :-)

Sep 24, 2017, 12:40pm Top

I talked a friend into watching the Doc Martin series and she loved them so much she asked me for another recommendation. I told her about Poldark. Instead of watching the series she got the first book. I talked with her yesterday and she said that she had just finished it and was going to the library to get the second book. (They didn't have the second book on e-book check-out so she has to settle for the hard copy.) She said as soon as she gets done reading the series she will watch the TV show. I asked her if she realized that there are 12 books in the series. She was astonished and thought that perhaps she would watch the show, or at least part of it before she finished the books.

But hey! Chalk one up for Poldarl! Both series and books!

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I may have my own thread when I retire. It has been so busy at work that I didn't check LT during the entire week. It is only on weekends when I get enough time to wander thorough the threads.

Not that I am implying that those who do have threads have to much time on their hands. I didn't mean it to sound like that is what I said.

Sep 24, 2017, 1:52pm Top

>91 benitastrnad: The BBC Poldark series, with Aidan Turner as Poldark and Eleanor Tomlinson as Demelza, is resuming here in the U.S. quite soon, Benita - either next week or the week after, maybe?

I loved the original series, with Robin Ellis and Angharad Rees, back in the 70s, I love this one, and I love the books. Great characters, great storytelling.

>92 benitastrnad: A thread of your own when you retire sounds good, Benita. It can be tough to keep up with LT, no doubt about it. When Mark suggested years ago that I start my own thread, I resisted because of the perceived effort. But once I jumped in, I enjoyed it.

No worries, I'm sure everyone understands what you mean.

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Happy Sunday, Joe! Thanks for the Eve Ewing article. Good stuff. Her new collection is not available in my library system but I requested it.

Have not tried the double IPA yet. A little later on, perhaps?

Enjoy your day! Go Cubs! Go Bears!

Edited: Sep 24, 2017, 2:44pm Top

It always amazes me that people have such short memories. I remember when the first Poldark was such a hit and we didn't have access to it because there were no PBS stations close enough to reach us. It was all over the newspapers and magazines with good reviews, but maybe in the 1970's people didn't read the newspapers?

This friend of mine is younger than us - in her early 40's - and for her Poldark whether in book or on TV is something unknown. It is so much fun to watch her jump into this series and enjoy it so much.

The same is true of Doc Martin. I mentioned it at a meeting I had last week and said that I was having fun re-watching the early seasons. A colleague was astonished as she didn't know that this is a series that is in its 9th or 10th year. This is only the second season it has been shown on our Alabama PBS station. I loved watching it when I was home in Kansas, but it is a "new" thing here in Alabama.

And don't even mention the "Red Green" show down here. People think you are nuts and is there really such a thing as Canadian TV shows?

Sep 24, 2017, 2:44pm Top

Happy not-so-new-thread!

I love the vibrant colors in your opening paintings and your trip to the Berkshires looks wonderful.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. As someone prone to bouts of the black dog myself, I sympathize with him and empathize with you.

Both poems are really lovely.

Sep 24, 2017, 2:57pm Top

Adding Danez Smith's Don't Call Us Dead to my wish list based on that poem in >72 jnwelch:. I just put another collection by Nye on hold at the library; they didn't have the collection you just finished reading and referenced on your prior thread, but I want to keep reading her work.

I finished reading Stag's Leap this morning and posted about it on my own thread. Our house guest said "I didn't realize that people actually read poetry!" so I told her about our little group and how this has opened my eyes to poetry.

Your photos and stories about the Berkshires trip were fun and I'm excited that you got to meet up with Darryl. There are so many LTers I still want to meet in person and he is one of them!

Hopper and Hockney, two of my favorites.

Happy Sunday, Joe!

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>88 jnwelch: Hi Joe! I read Cousin Kate in the spring and enjoyed it. Much better than Bath Tangle which I found one of our friend Georgette's weaker stories.

Watery Grave, the third of the John Fielding mysteries, awaits at the library. However pre-reading for work always has to take precedence and I'm deep in the classic The Lodger by Marie Belloc Lowndes, a Victorian tale about an old couple on the edge of penury who are saved by the arrival of a paying lodger. The wife becomes aware that this strange man could be the notorious Jack the Ripper who is terrorizing London. Polishing off my Brit accent for this one and hoping I can do it justice.

I finally got around to the wonderful Charming Billy by Alice McDermott who has a new one coming out. (I'm going to her book signing next week.) But my absolute favorite read of this summer was Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine which is superb in audio but I know I would have enjoyed just as much in print. Highly recommended.

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Cousin Kate is Heyer's riff on gothic novels and probably my least favorite of her romances for that reason and also its treatment (although typical for Heyer's time) of mental illness

That's a striking poem, Joe, and powerful.

Sep 24, 2017, 8:51pm Top

>94 msf59: Hey, Mark! Good day for the Bears and Cubs!

As you probably can tell from that article, Eve Ewing's a special one. I'm looking forward to reading her collection.

Double IPA! Double IPA! Should be good - I'll look forward to hearing what you think of it.

>95 benitastrnad: Hi, Benita.

I watched a couple of Doc Martins and liked them, although for me there wasn't enough there to continue. 9 or 10 seasons - makes me think of those 19 seasons of Midsomer Murders. And, of course, Dr. Who is up to approximately a zillion. The British are great about that. At least we keep bringing Star Trek back - in movies, and now there's a Star Trek Discovery series starting on the tube. NCIS has had a megarun, but future years may depend on how long Mark Harmon is willing to keep walking the set.

I grew up in Michigan, close enough to the Canadian border, so we got Canadian TV shows. I particularly loved that Second City TV show with John Candy and Harold Remis and Eugene Levy and so many others.

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>96 streamsong: Thanks, Janet. I'm glad you're enjoying the Hockney paintings and the Berkshire photos.

Wonderful to hear you find both poems really lovely. Thank you.

Yes, if you've had bouts with the black dog, you get my friend. As always, we all (all the roommates) wondered whether we could have done anything differently, but I think it mattered not. His problems were way beyond what he shared with us. He was so full of life, too, darn it.

>97 EBT1002: Oh good, Ellen. You'll get a whole lot out of Don't Call Us Dead. He's another special one.

I'm glad Stag's Leap worked for you, for the most part. I commented over on your thread. I've been thrilled with how reading poetry has caught on in our 75er group - and how some who've been reading it for a long time are talking more about it. The keen interest shown by you and Mark has spurred a lot of that, seems to me.

We love the Berkshires. I suspect if we didn't live here, we'd probably live there. You know how it is to be among mountains and trees; their flavor of that really suits us, along with all the culture and small towns.

Darryl is a treat, and I know you'll meet him at some point. He was so gracious and helpful to us when we first met him in London, and our friendship has just grown from there.

Go Hopper and Hockney! I hope you've had a great weekend.

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>98 NarratorLady: Thanks for the follow-up, Anne. That's good to hear about Cousin Kate. Bath Tangle was definitely a lesser one for me, too. Cousin Kate comes up for me after I finish this Poldark, Miller's Dance.

I loved the first John Fielding mystery (thank you again for the tip!), and can't wait to read more. Besides everything else, that central relationship is so good.

I'll have to take a look at the others you mention. I haven't read The Lodger or Charming Billy, and Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine is completely new to me. I'm on it.

>99 ronincats: I'll have to come back to that spoiler, Roni. Curiosity makes that hard, but I'd better wait.

Isn't that a powerful poem by Danez Smith? What an amazing one to come up with.

Sep 24, 2017, 9:35pm Top

>103 jnwelch: Actually, I was thinking of another Heyer, not Cousin Kate although I did read it. >99 ronincats: the spoiler reminded me. It's definitely a departure for Heyer; I'll be interested to hear your take on it.

Sep 24, 2017, 9:40pm Top

>104 NarratorLady: Which other Heyer were you thinking of, Anne? Hmm. Cousin Kate is a departure for her; now I'm really intrigued.

Sep 25, 2017, 5:52am Top

>105 jnwelch: I think I was thinking of The Reluctant Widow. Both feature a capable, impoverished heroine and a problematic young man

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>100 jnwelch: - Good morning, Joe. Second City is still going strong here, though not as a tv show, rather, as a live comedy performance venue. I haven't actually been there in years but I see their ads whenever they have a new show out. They also hold courses in improv, I believe. I know that a colleague of mine used to take courses there, back when I was still teaching.

Not sure if this is in the States, but Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara have done quite well with a new(ish) tv show here, now in its 3rd season, called *Schitt's Creek*. Levy's son, Dan, and daughter, Sarah, are also in it. I will admit that I haven't watched it as I don't watch much tv at all but the fact that it's already in the third season, I suspect means that it's not all that bad. It certainly got a lot of buzz (likely the title, hehe) when it first came out.

Sep 25, 2017, 6:31am Top

Morning, Joe! Thanks for the offer to ride in and help - ha! No need as they're gone now. WHEW.

Sep 25, 2017, 8:22am Top

Morning, Joe! I really loved that poem in >72 jnwelch:, so I'll have to track down that collection. Thanks for sharing.

Sep 25, 2017, 8:36am Top

Hi Joe and happy Monday to you!

I rated the Georgette Heyer Regency/Georgian romances I've read after reading rosalita's ranking. (karenmarie's GH list).

I'm afraid I didn't particularly like Cousin Kate, having only read it for the first time ever just recently. But The Reluctant Widow was a 4. I see that you've given These Old Shades a 4. It is one of my absolute favorites, along with the sequel Devil's Cub.

>48 jnwelch: I'm embarrassed to say I haven't read the book yet! We have it, so there's no excuse. I have a huge tbr, and when I read a good review about a book I haven't read yet, I want to read it NOW, but alas. Too many books, too little time.

>58 jnwelch: I really like that!

Sep 25, 2017, 8:41am Top

>106 NarratorLady: Ah, yes. Thanks, Anne. I liked The Reluctant Widow quite a bit. If that's the one you mixed up with Cousin Kate, that's another clue that I'll like CK.

>107 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. Great to hear that Canada's Second City comedy revue is still going. I'm sure that you know that there's been a Second City here for a long time - Belushi & Ackroyd, Key & Peele, Tina Fey, Jane Lynch, Bill Murray - there's a whole bunch of stellar alumni. There's probably some connection between the two, but I know not what.

I haven't heard of "Schitts Creek", but Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy are a hoot together. Levy Generation 2, too. Great!

In the States, there's a Big Bang Theory spinoff, "Young Sheldon", with Laurie Metcalf's daughter playing the young mother. We've watched Laurie Metcalf on stage here for forever, as a member of Steppenwolf.

Sep 25, 2017, 8:47am Top

>102 jnwelch: Very cool painting!

Morning Joe! I didn't realize that Schitt's Creek wasn't broadcast in the USA. It is a hoot! I'm behind a season and should really get back to it
I'd love to see Young Sheldon! I haven't heard of that one yet

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>108 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

Mark and I were saddled up, and ready to head north. Glad to hear those in-laws could hear the hoofbeats and got out of town. How was the visit? "We survived" is probably all we need to know?

>109 Crazymamie: Oh good, Mamie. Don't Call Us Dead is an outstanding collection. I'm glad you loved "Dinosaurs in the Hood".

>110 karenmarie: Hi, Karen! Happy Mmphmumbleday! (I have trouble saying the name right. It's just too early in the week).

Woo, another GH rating list! I'll follow your link and copy it into my Books folder. Thanks.

Ah, I'm glad you liked The Reluctant Widow and These Old Shades. Devil's Cub was a good one for me, but not quite as good as TOS. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't particularly like Cousin Kate; I'll stay optimistic. So far I've found that even subpar Heyer is good reading.

Isn't >58 jnwelch: fun? I love it when someone comes up with a clever twist on something we take for granted.

Yeah, I know what you mean about the tbr. But I have a family connection with Anatomy of a Murder, so I really need to get my act together on that one.

P.S. Wow, lots on your list surprised me! The Grand Sophy, for example, would be at the top for me, I loved it, and you have it next to worst and only 2.5 stars. It makes me think of when you ask people to rank the Jane Austen novels. Most people put Pride and Prejudice at the top, but after that it's a free-for-all. (Persuasion is my #2).

At least we're all reading lots of Heyer!

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>111 jnwelch: Hi, Chelle! I'm glad you find that >102 jnwelch: painting very cool. Me, too! Her legs kicking out a bit really make it for me. That's got to be by Seth, who sometimes goes by Seth Globepainter. He has a lot of really good ones. (His real name is Julien Malland).

There are so many tv channels these days, so maybe Schitts Creek is on one here and I don't know it. I grew up with four channels (oh, the horror!), three Ammie and one Canadian. (Lots of hockey in-season, and Molson Canadian ads).

Madame MBH is a big fan of Big Bang Theory, and I suspect she'll watch at least some Young Sheldon. I can watch BBT in small doses, but sitcoms get old pretty fast for me.

We were disappointed to learn that viewers have to pay to watch the rest of Star Trek Discovery, the new series, after its debut last night. I think CBS is going to find that model doesn't work. Lots of people are mad already, as they didn't let people know that's how it was going to go - a free debut, and then you pay. And the debut wasn't even that good. I was willing to try a couple more, to see whether it got better, but not now.

Sep 25, 2017, 9:03am Top

By Seth

Sep 25, 2017, 9:48am Top

Schitt's Creek is available in the US. I think it's on Amazon or Hulu - one of the streaming services, I'm pretty sure.

Hi there, Joe!

Sep 25, 2017, 11:46am Top

Good morning, Joe! I hope your vacation went well. I think you may have been returning just as I was leaving.

Sep 25, 2017, 12:17pm Top

>113 jnwelch: The visit was the usual amount of awful. Yeesh. But it's over now and we won't have to see them again until late December. WOOT.

Sep 25, 2017, 1:12pm Top

>116 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie. Good info. I'm not surprised. The hunger for content for all the available sources is huge, isn't it. Plus this sounds like a show with wide appeal.

>117 brodiew2: Hiya, Brodie. We loved our time in the Berkshires, thanks. I'll get over to your thread and catch up on yours.

>118 scaifea: I join your WOOT, Amber! You make me feel lucky for having had ILs I liked.

Sep 25, 2017, 1:20pm Top

There was a time when SCTV was aired on the Philly NBC station after SNL. It often was the better of the two shows. I'm surprised that more of the performers didn't become better known.

I think I missed the first time around that attorney Welch really was your relative. Is it true? I tip my hat. Good genes, eh?

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>120 weird_O: Hi, Bill. I liked SCTV, too.

Yes, attorney Welch was my grandfather, and I was named after him. I wish he'd lived a bit longer - I knew him, but he died when I was six. Thanks for the hat tip.

Sep 25, 2017, 4:36pm Top

I had read somewhere that Star Trek Discovery was only going to be on streaming video, so I knew it was going to be a pay-for-view in one way or another.

In some ways I wish that TV hadn't spoiled life for everybody. The networks broadcast their stuff for free for 75 years and all the customer had to do was sit through the commercials. That really spoiled us as viewers.

Sep 25, 2017, 6:35pm Top

Hi, Joe! Finally made it home, after another long scorcher. This heats really saps you. Only one more HOT day. Yah!

It looks like there is another tough series ahead for our Cubbies, starting tonight, facing the dreaded Cardinals. We played very well against the Brewers. Actually, I think we stunned them, so I hope we continue on this roll.

Enjoy your evening.

Sep 26, 2017, 6:31am Top

Morning, Joe!

Sep 26, 2017, 7:47am Top

Hey Joe, Happy belated new thread! My husband is a huge Star Trek fan but was greatly disappointed with Discovery mainly because the back ground music was way too loud and blocked out the actors voices. I'll have to ask him if he's aware of the pay to watch future episodes thing. I'd guess he would absolutely not pay for it.

Sep 26, 2017, 8:47am Top

Hi Joe and happy Tuesday to you!

>122 benitastrnad: My husband is upset at the series we'd like to watch but aren't willing to pay for streaming rights to CBS - the sequel to The Good Wife and Star Trek: Discovery. I think he mentioned that Disney is going to follow suit. I said "no big, daughter is grown up so I don't care about the animated ones any more" but he reminded me, Star Wars fan that he is, that Disney now owns Star Wars. I liked the Free with Commercials model that we grew up with, too. Being in LA, we had 7 US channels and could get a channel from Mexico too.

Sep 26, 2017, 9:39am Top

>122 benitastrnad: Free vs. pay is a big deal now, isn't it, Benita. So much free content available, but you have to watch ads, or maybe pay to watch ad-free.

And why don't the publishers sell more books to us directly if so much is done online these days? Why do we need intermediaries like Amazon? Why do we need music companies? Many musical artists are going the independent route, Chance the Rapper being one of the most famous.

>123 msf59: Hiya, Mark! I'll bet that heat saps you. Crazy for the end of September. I've seen the same thing - today is the last day of it. We'll be sending cool thoughts your way!

Man, it was clobbering time for the Cubs, wasn't it? 10-2 over the dreaded Cards. I'm so impressed that they've overcome the World Series hangover, and are driving as best they can toward another one. Wouldn't that be something?

Sep 26, 2017, 9:49am Top

>125 Carmenere: Hi, Lynda. Good to see you. Thanks re the thread. We'll try to keep it new all the way until the next one. :-)

Your hubby has a good point about the background music. One of the things I liked about Star Trek Discovery was the diverse casting. But the story in just the one episode wasn't gripping enough to carry many viewers into paying for what comes next, IMO. Too bad. Maybe it'll become available in some other form down the line.

>126 karenmarie: Happy Tuesday, Karen! What's it like in NC right now? It's been crazy hot here.

Yeah, CBS may be working toward the Amazon Prime model, and offering a slate of interesting shows it produces for a fee. Those two aren't enough, seems to me. I'll look forward to Benita's response.

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Sep 26, 2017, 11:22am Top

Short answer - taxes. Publishers get taxed on their inventory. Jobbers (middle men) don't. Amazon is a jobber. That is another reason why Amazon can sell things so much cheaper than bricks & mortar stores. Macy's pays taxes on its inventory. Amazon doesn't. Add to that, the fact, that until January 1 of this year Amazon didn't have to collect sales taxes in most states in which it sold. Here in Alabama, starting January 1 they have to. That has made a difference in the price differential.

By-the-way, Barnes & Noble pays taxes on its inventory. The same as Macy's or J. C. Penny's. The same as an independent bookstore pays. They also pay taxes on their buildings and property, if they own the land.

It is an unfair playing field. Amazon is the evil empire.

Just my opinion, but - Amazon has had free sailing for far to long.

More on Amazon and books -
1. Amazon might be a jobber, but most jobbers don't sell directly to the public.
2. Amazon doesn't collect sales taxes unless directly required to do so by law. That means that some states and municipalities are losing millions of dollars in sales taxes.
3. Amazon doesn't pay property taxes on land or buildings.
4. Amazon pays book rate postage. Not package rate. Book rate is very very very very very cheap considering the poundage. The rates are kept low by law so that libraries and schools can ship books back and forth and not pay staggering (and I mean that literally and figuratively) shipping costs. Low book rates are what allows independent book stores and private individuals, as well as libraries and schools, to be able to ship books back and forth to people who want them. Just look at the difference between mailing books and having a moving company pack up your library. The moving company charges by the pound. So does USPS. The difference in the price is the law. Congress, and let me be clear here, I side with Congress, has kept USPS book rates low so that there is not an onerous financial burden placed on schools and libraries. (Think what a box of 5th grade Math books would cost to send from a publisher to a public school in Colorado - for instance.)

Since we both have a friend who is in the package delivery business, ask him about Amazon and shipping. (and we can add UPS, FedEx, and DHL to that list.)

The USPS is not the only victim of Amazon. So are the tax coffers in states and municipalities. That means that we the general public suffer as well. But think about what all of this means for the small businessman. In contrast to Amazon - they pay all of those taxes.

Most states could level the playing field if they just forced Amazon to play by the rules. They could start by telling you the true cost of the book on the book's page. That cost would include taxes and shipping, for those who don't subscribe to Amazon Prime.

And don't get me started on Amazon Prime. Another evil scheme to take advantage of the taxpayer done by the Evil Empire.

Sep 26, 2017, 11:23am Top

And while I am at it - what if Amazon had to pay for all that Internet Broadband that they use - instead of depending on the taxpayer to pay for it.

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Hi Joe!

>101 jnwelch: "You know how it is to be among mountains and trees..." Indeed I do and it feeds my soul. P and I are looking at possible getaways for a long weekend in October. I'm needing a vacation and as she becomes more self-sufficient I am realizing how worn down I feel from the care-taking stint. I was happy to do it -- it's what we do for those we love -- but I'm not feeling rested as the academic year starts. So our weekend getaway will hopefully involve trees, at least, if not also mountains.

I'm almost finished reading History of Wolves but it's not, in my opinion, Booker short-list worthy, at least not up against the stellar Home Fire. But I don't get a vote. :-)

I hope you are doing well.

Sep 26, 2017, 12:15pm Top

Good morning, Joe! I hope all is well with you.

>114 jnwelch: It's how a lot of the imagery from Star Trek Discovery has irritated my traditionalist fandom. :-P
I'm trying not to be a 'hater', but it's hard. I have yet to see the pilot and will not be paying the service either. I will likely wait the year and see it on Blue ray when it comes out. It is too bad that CBS has alienated Star Trek fans this way.

I am almost done with The Return of the King!

Sep 26, 2017, 12:46pm Top

Hi Joe!

>128 jnwelch: Today is a bit humid, currently 75F supposed to get to 84F, which is a bit icky but not debilitating. Nights have been coolish but humid so opening the windows doesn't do any good.

>130 benitastrnad: Amazon started charging sales tax for North Carolinians a couple of years ago. Doesn't bother me at all. It was a big loophole for a very long time.

Sep 26, 2017, 12:53pm Top

>130 benitastrnad:, >131 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. Lots of food for thought there. I have to admit, I love Amazon Prime. Supposedly it'll get us a discount at Whole Foods now, too, as they take over the world.

Our son at Google feels that Amazon is their biggest competitor.

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>132 EBT1002: Hi Ellen!

Hooray for trees and mountains! I was saying to Debbi that, growing up in Ann Arbor, what I really loved were the wild places in the town area, where we were in the woods. The Berkshires reminded me of how much I enjoyed that.

Good idea to go on a mind-refreshing break. Care-taking can be mentally as well as physically exhausting, for sure. I'm glad P is now getting the surgery into the rearview mirror.

BTW, I did enjoy Autumn; thanks for the nudge. I don't think I reached quite the level of love that you and Mark did, but I appreciated how different it was, and had a good time following the friendship of Elisabeth and Daniel.

I've got Home Fire on my radar (and WL), thanks to your enthusiasm and that of other 75ers. I'm still liking Why Buddhism is True. It's got enough substantive content that I alternate it with other reads, but I'm now over halfway through, and appreciating his patient, build it brick by brick approach.

Sep 26, 2017, 1:12pm Top

>133 brodiew2: Hi, Brodie! Go Return of the King! What a story he tells. Tolkien would no doubt be pleased about the widespread love that continues for his creation.

Yeah, CBS screwed up royally with this new Star Trek, didn't it. What a shame, as it was exciting to have an ST series back on the tube. And it looked like a good cast, although one main character's makeup/appearance (the pessimistic, overly cautious alien) seemed amateurish, and was hard to get used to.

>134 karenmarie: Hi, Karen. 80s in September just doesn't feel right to me, but I'm sure you're more used to that happening where you are.

Yeah, Illinois has been charging tax on Amazon for quite a while now, too.

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Hi Mr. Welch, sir. Sorry I missed the part about your grandfather being your grandfather. Thank you for clearing it up for me. :-)

Thanks too for the William Gibson fist pump on my thread. Got me to look up his bibliography on line and to scour the stacks for unread Gibson. Now I have Zero History, the final volume of the Blue Ant trilogy (with Hubertus Biggus Bigend), in my sight line. And The Peripheral underneath it. Going to start the top book shortly.

Amazon. Love/hate. My older son has Prime, and since I (and my two other children) have the same last name, we all reap the benefits. But I am getting very chary of buying from amazon. Does it qualify as The Borg (cue spooky music and warbling)?

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>129 jnwelch: This is eerily familiar. (eta: to me in terms of thoughts I have thunk, not in terms of having seen it before on your thread! Sorry!)

Love the Hockney toppers. I was sorry to miss his London exhibit (last year? The year before? Time flies...) and keep hoping that there will be something more local to me to see his more recent work 'in person'.

Intriguing to read about the Star Trek reaction. I'm a big fan of Jason Isaacs, so rather selfishly am hoping that it won't go on for very long (so that he will get to do other things).

Hoping to catch some street art when I'm on my hols. I do appreciate the images where people are reacting or interacting with the art.

Following the Buddhist book comments - look forward to your review. I wonder if the political situation just now is influencing the sales. Good time for some meditation skills.

Sep 26, 2017, 8:08pm Top

Happy Tuesday, Joe! Kicking back, to watch the Cubs clinch the central division tonight.

73 tomorrow? I will take it, my friend.

Sep 27, 2017, 6:31am Top

Morning, Joe! I noticed when we were in Dubuque this past weekend that they've decorated a big chunk of the river district with gorgeous murals. Made me think of you...

Sep 27, 2017, 8:20am Top

>138 weird_O: Thanks, Bill. Feel free to call me Big Sir, or Sir Real, going forward.

The only William Gibson I haven't read is that alternate history one, The Difference Engine (I'm not much for alternate history stories). I've enjoyed them all. Pattern Recognition was a relatively recent standout for me and, going back a ways, I got a big kick out of his 90s "Bridge Trilogy", Virtual Light, Idoru, and All Tomorrow's Parties. Both Zero History and The Peripheral, the ones you've got, were excellent, IMO. He's got a graphic novel coming out in November called Archangel.

Amazon: it seduces us, right? So what do we call a Borg entity that seduces us? The Borg Queen, I guess (turn up the volume on that spooky music and warbling!) Remember Alice Krige? Krikey!

Sep 27, 2017, 8:33am Top

Good morning, Joe!

It's usually cooling off a bit here in central NC by now, but we had cool days in August. It is what it is.

I must say that I'm a fan of Amazon and Amazon Prime. I started using Amazon in 1999 and joined Prime the year it came out - 2005 - albeit unintentionally after they offered me three months free than automatically billed my credit card for a year. I was livid, but started using it and continue to use it and am grateful for it. I live in the middle of nowhere, so it saves me gas and time, plus I've found things on there I would have had no clue about how to acquire otherwise.

We just got husband a new 4K OLED TV using Prime (delivered yesterday), saving $800 on the TV itself plus they had a free delivery/setup service.

And unless you pay cash everybody knows what you're doing anyway. Resistance is futile.

Sep 27, 2017, 8:39am Top

>139 charl08: Ha! Hi, Charlotte. Yeah, that >129 jnwelch: seemed familiar to me, too. :-)

Thanks re the Hockney toppers. We saw the ones the Tate Britain normally has, and loved them, but we missed that exhibit earlier this year, too. Darn. Some day.

Madame MBH and I are big Jason Isaacs fans, too, and that was part of the disappointment over the Star Trek Discovery situation. It probably won't last. Among others, we loved in that canceled series, Awake, where he lived in two related but different worlds, and he was great in the OA. Not to mention his being Malfoy's dad. I need to see Case Histories. Anything else you'd recommend.

Where are you going on your hols where you'd catch up on some street art? London is great for it, of course. Like you, I enjoy ones where people interact with the art, and I also like catching glimpses of the artists.

That's an intriguing thought about the current political situation contributing to the interest in Buddhism, and the book Why Buddhism is True. As Madame MBH has said, the current U.S. president creates a permanent dark cloud that we live under, so that the normal stress of life is exacerbated. The white supremacists and neo-Nazis crawling out of the woodwork add to that, too. Buddhism provides a way to reduce the stress (suffering), among other things, so I suspect you're right.

I also think the Why Buddhism is True book is getting a lot of traction because Robert Wright is very pragmatic. There are a zillion flavors of Buddhism out there, like any religion, but he doesn't get bogged down in that. He stays focused on what to Westerners is the essence, and the science that backs it up. Here's a good, relatively short review on NPR ("Why 'Why Buddhism is True' is True"): http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/09/26/553712812/why-why-buddhism-is-true-i...

I'll keep you posted. I've got a ways to go!

Sep 27, 2017, 8:47am Top

>140 msf59: Too bad about them Cubbies last night, Mark. I think they're so close to clinching, and they've been playing so hard, they just let down. It still ended up close, didn't it.

73 degrees sounds terrific. I was just out in it, and what an improvement! Enjoy the day, my friend.

>141 scaifea: Morning, Amber! I love it. Public art like murals can really pick up a locale. Good for Dubuque. Never been there. I hear it's pretty, yes?

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>143 karenmarie: Good morning, Karen!

Yeah, I grabbed onto Amazon Prime when it first came out, too. Besides the free months, I knew I'd make up the fee in shipping alone, as it's a great resource for the harder to find books. (I've managed independent bookstores, so I try to make sure they also contribute to my reading diet, along with the library).

It's been great for TV - Amazon produces "Transparent", the Emmy-winning tv show our niece is in, and Amazon also published our DIL's book Dead Boys. So you're not going to hear much negativity from me. (Thanks to our son, I am rooting for Google where there's overlap).

plus I've found things on there I would have had no clue about how to acquire otherwise. Yup, me, too.

"Resistance is futile". Ha! Ain't that the truth. Only our antitrust laws have a chance of reining in the mega-conglomerates, and so far they haven't been much of a factor.

Sep 27, 2017, 9:04am Top

Another Amazon and Prime fan. I can't tell you how many times it's saved me right before leaving on a trip when I realize I've forgotten something and have zero time to go out and hunt for it. I honestly think Amazon provides a needed service to folks without a lot of shopping options, busy professionals, new parents, etc. It's easy to criticize them for what they do not so well, but they are doing a lot right, including excellent TV programming :) And I know it's separate from Amazon, but Jeff Bezos has contributed a lot to the revitalization of The Washington Post, at a time when solid reporting and professional journalism are needed more than ever.

One can acknowledge the bad while appreciating the good.

Sep 27, 2017, 9:08am Top

>146 jnwelch: I'm another amazon prime fan. I think it works a little differently here in Canada but I love the two day free shipping with no minimum order. I find it hard to get out shopping with the girls and living in a small town I can't always find what I want without shopping online.

Sep 27, 2017, 9:33am Top

>114 jnwelch: Only four channels - oh the horror! In my early days we only had two channels - one English and one French. You had to have a huge antenna on your roof to bring in US channels and we didn't have one.

Sep 27, 2017, 9:36am Top

Morning, Joe! If you don't mind taking a Jason Isaacs recommendation from someone not named Charlotte :-) I heartily recommend the series Brotherhood, which I believe is on the Borg — I mean Amazon Prime Video. It stars Isaacs and another of my favorite Jasons, Jason Clarke, as brothers in Rhode Island. One of them is a squeaky clean state legislator and the other is mixed up in the state's mafia. The supporting cast is also excellent. I think there are three seasons of it.

Sep 27, 2017, 11:48am Top

>150 rosalita: Oh, the Bulger brothers of Massachusetts.

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>150 rosalita: >151 weird_O: Yup, sounds like Billy and Whitey to me too.

Sep 27, 2017, 11:56am Top

>145 jnwelch: Never been, eh? I know someone who may be willing to show you, your MBH, and Best Friend around, should you ever visit...

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>151 weird_O: >152 NarratorLady: Yes, I think it was pretty openly inspired by the Bulger story, although there are of course substantial differences in the details.

Sep 27, 2017, 12:50pm Top

>147 katiekrug: Hi, Katie. Right - that fast shipping from Amazon Prime really helps with those sudden pre-travel needs. And I know you travel a lot. Makes me think of the fun of loading up the Kindle before a trip, too.

I agree with you about the "doing a lot right" (thank you for including the TV programming!), and I think that's what's gotten them into this juggernaut position. We all remember when they were losing money at the outset, but Bezos had a very big picture vision, and it's paid off. For folks living in rural areas and off the beaten path, it's got to be a godsend, and all the others you mention, too, like busy professionals.

Thank goodness for the revitalization of the Washington Post. We need it desperately in these dire times.

Sep 27, 2017, 12:53pm Top

>142 jnwelch: Started Zero History last night, and Mr. Gibson grabbed me on the very first page. But I have to flip through Pattern Recognition to see who besides Hubertus and Hollis were in previous Blue Ant books. This one will go too quickly. But very enjoyably.

Sep 27, 2017, 12:57pm Top

>148 ChelleBearss: You're a perfect example of an Amazon beneficiary, Chelle. It gives you and your family that online shopping access, even though you live in a small town. They've made a lot of smart decisions, and that two day free shipping has to be near the top of the list.

>149 Familyhistorian: Only four channels - oh the horror! Good lord, who knew even fewer channels were possible? Two?! I don't know how you survived, Meg.

Last I knew, my sister in Helena, Montana only got one channel - NBC. I believe she and her husband weren't willing to cough up for cable or dish, and their modified log cabin in the woods gets terrible reception, for everything, including phones and computers. (I also believe they like it that way, the hippies).

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>150 rosalita: You seem to have stirred up a bunch of posts with your unauthorized Jason Isaacs recommendation, Julia. I thought we were pretty clear that we were accepting only Charlotte recommendations. Can't you please color within the lines once in a while?

On the other hand, that Brotherhood recommendation sounds like a good one. I only know the bare minimum about Whitey Bulger, and nada about his bro. Isaacs does an awfully good American accent, doesn't he?

Digression: In London, we saw Chicagoan Kristiana Colon's slam poetry-infused play "Octogon" (she asked us to do some of the usual slam poetry audience responses, like "Listen to the poem!" when judges in the play unjustly awarded low scores, and so on, because the Brits and other attendees don't know about that - or didn't, anyway). Why I mention it - Madame MBH and I were so impressed that she got an all-American cast to do her play in London. Wrong! The cast was all Brits, who nailed the accents beautifully. They were thrilled when we told them our mistake afterwards.

Sep 27, 2017, 1:08pm Top

I am lucky that my cable company gives me the "Space" channel- so that I can see the new Star Trek Series.It is too bad that I liked the character that the story killed off at the end of the second episode.

Sep 27, 2017, 1:12pm Top

>151 weird_O:, >152 NarratorLady:, >154 rosalita: Got it, the Bulger bros. Thanks Bill, Anne and Julia. Intriguing indeed.

>153 scaifea: Sounds like a plan, Amber! The Welch trio would love it. (We have a hard time freeing up our fourth member from his Google-fu).

Sep 27, 2017, 1:18pm Top

>156 weird_O: Oh, good to hear, Bill. I'm a pushover for Mr. Gibson's work, but it doesn't grab everyone. Have a blast with Zero History.

I'm sure there's a character map somewhere, but I've never come across it. If you do, please let me know.

>159 torontoc: Oh, thanks, Cyrel. That at least makes more sense for the new Star Trek series. Make it part of a cable package. Hmm, now you've got me wondering who they killed off. It better not have been Number One, or I'm going to have to go smack some heads.

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Good afternoon, Joe!

I just completed the Empress Millar trade and it was fantastic. Light space opera with lots of action and excellent artwork by Stuart Immomen. I also thing the color scheme was an added factor in my enjoyment.

Sep 27, 2017, 4:40pm Top

>158 jnwelch: Hi Joe, this is Charlotte. Pay no attention to the name on the post — just an LT glitch! Anyway, you don't need to know anything about the Bulgers to watch Brotherhood because it's only loosely inspired by the idea of two brothers on opposite sides of the law rather than a full-blown "based on a true story" sort of thing. And yes, Isaacs does a terrific American accent. He rivals Hugh Laurie as one of the best I've heard from an actor across the pond.

>160 jnwelch: I wouldn't want to crash the party, but if I Julia knew you were going to be in Dubuque it's possible I she might "accidentally" run into you while Amber was showing you all around. :-) The riverfront area is really lovely and there's a first-rate river history museum as well. I know Amber could do it much more justice than I I mean Julia, could.

Sep 27, 2017, 5:06pm Top

>162 brodiew2: Good afternoon, Brodie. Great tip, thanks. I've added Empress Book One to my graphic novel WL. I'm glad you enjoyed it that much.

>163 rosalita: Hmm. Something seems suspicious here, but I'm not sure what. The sunglasses, the trenchcoat - is that really you, Charlotte?

OK, Brotherhood sounds like a good 'un all right. Yeah, Hugh Laurie - another one who really pulls off the Ammie accent. I knew him first as Bertie Wooster (I wasn't a Blackadder kind of guy), and was really surprised when he started showing off that accent talent on House and other places.

Huh, Dubuque seems like such a long way for you to come, Julia Charlotte, , no, wait, I mean Julia, but that sure sounds fun. What's the bookstore sitch there?

Sep 27, 2017, 5:25pm Top

Happy Wednesday, Joe. Now, this weather I can deal with. Sweet.

Let's clinch this baby tonight and take the pressure off. Go Cubbies. I was invited to the game Saturday and since I have the weekend off, how can I refuse?

Sep 27, 2017, 5:25pm Top

I'm Charlotte, and I endorse all Jason Isaacs related messages...

You lot crack me up :-D

On a different note, re >144 jnwelch: I'm off to Cape Town next week - just found this example from one of the art tours.

Not tracked down the artist though. From http://www.capetown.travel/visitors/see-do/woodstock-street-art-tour-in-cape-tow...
(I didn't know there was a tour! Oh dear. Tourism fail)

Sep 27, 2017, 5:30pm Top

>164 jnwelch: There is a great little indie bookstore called River Lights Books, which Amber introduced me to at our July meet-up. And this probably wouldn't appeal to you, but there's also a wonderful local yarn shop just down the block from the bookstore.

>166 charl08: Oh, there's Charlotte! I knew you wouldn't mind my speaking for you in support of Jason Isaacs. :-)

Sep 27, 2017, 7:08pm Top

I'm finding all this Amazon love to be very interesting. I don't think Amazon, as a company has done anything really outstanding or that innovative since its invention, except exploit the tax codes.

I guess I am a bit jaded because I have been doing mail-order shopping since, oh, lets see, about 1960. And come to think of it, my mother did mail-order shopping since, 1940. And I think my Grandmother worked for a company that was based in Chicago that specialized in mail-order shopping. It was called Sears Roebuck.

I would rank Jeff Bezos right up there with most of the other heads of companies these days in his ability to hire an army of lawyers to help him find tax loopholes and other business perks that allow him to get the taxpayers to pay for things that other companies can't. I do find it interesting that he bought the Washington Post. Makes me wonder what he is up to?

It is in his favor that he isn't a big fan of the Great Orange Gasbag.

Sep 28, 2017, 6:31am Top

>167 rosalita: YES! River Lights is lovely. The whole river district is lovely, too. And a chance to meet-up with Julia!? C'mon, Joe, what else do you need?!

Sep 28, 2017, 11:33am Top

I think a weekend jaunt to the Quad Cities would be great. These are great cities with a wonderful quality of life.

Sep 28, 2017, 11:37am Top

Good morning, Joe! I hope all is well with you.

I had no idea that there was a bit of gang busting necessary in the Shire after the war was over. It was a surprise and a pleasure to go from a 'world war' to more 'local issues'.

Sep 28, 2017, 12:36pm Top

There was a nice complementary piece on the Star Trek Discovery pay-for-view decision and an over-all positive review on the TOR newsletter. Here is the link. It is lengthy. Both the review and the URL.


Sep 28, 2017, 1:13pm Top

>165 msf59: Cubs win! Cubs win!

They're in, buddy. Now, can they beat the Nationals?

>166 charl08: Ah, there's the genuine article. Hi, Charlotte! We were just messing about. :-) Good to know you're foursquare behind the Jason Isaacs messages.

Cape Town! Cool beans. (I can't begin to tell you how that phrase originated - can beans be cool?) Madame MBH have really enjoyed the street art tours we've taken - they can get you to areas you wouldn't have known about, and it's fun to get the background on the art. Please report back! I like the one you posted.

Sep 28, 2017, 1:18pm Top

>167 rosalita: River Lights books - got it, thanks, Julia. I've been in yarn shops before with Madame MBH, and also with my mom and sisters. I've gotten good at gazing out the window, and thinking deep, philosophical thoughts. (Usually re a good place to eat or drink).

I'm not sure what you bribed Charlotte with, but it worked, consarn ya.

>168 benitastrnad: Always good to get contrary views, Benita, thanks. I do think you under-appreciate the impact of Jeff Bezos. Here's a short CNNMoney article, "Jeff Bezos is the Smartest Man in Business", that describes some of that: http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/16/technology/business/jeff-bezos-business/index.ht....

Sep 28, 2017, 1:21pm Top

>169 scaifea: A lovely River District and lovely River Lights bookstore and Julia. You're right, Amber. Sounds irresistible. This year is pretty much locked down (we're off to eastern TN next), but we're starting to talk about next year's trips. I'll put that one on the agenda.

>170 benitastrnad: Sounds good, Benita.

Sep 28, 2017, 1:24pm Top

>171 brodiew2: Agreed! I liked that post-Mordor and Mount Doom local cleanup, too, Brodie. Makes sense, right? A lot of bad 'uns settled in during the turmoil.

>172 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. CBS has lost me for the time being on Star Trek Discovery, but I'll never say never on it.

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By Marta Bielza

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What a disappointment! I thought this author did well with his first continuation of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo trilogy, The Girl in the Spider's Web, after original author Stieg Larrson died. Not this one. He seems to forget in this one that Lisbeth Salander, and to a lesser extent, Michael Blomqvist, are the draws. They get relatively little time on stage, and Lagercrantz instead gives us a lengthy, uninteresting look at other characters and a less-than-gripping story involving a clandestine study of twins. Too bad.

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What would it be like to have an unfiltered, unfettered experience of the world around us, where we are relaxed and calm and not distracted by our usual worries and concerns? Maybe some readers have experienced that – a sunrise or sunset, a full moon, a sky full of stars, a sky full of rain and lightning – or some other moment of encompassing peace. Could we somehow train ourselves to have that kind of experience more often?

There's more to it, of course, but that is a big part of what Robert Wright addresses in the surprise NYTimes bestseller, Why Buddhism is True. "{T}he way it seems to work is some feelings actually get accentuated - first and foremost the sensation of beauty."

He has taught this subject at Princeton, and admirably maintains his focus. There are many flavors of Buddhism, as with other religions, and many intriguing aspects worthy of discussion. But he's very Western and pragmatic, and that suited me well. "I don't believe in reincarnation or related notions of karma, and I don't bow to the statue of Buddha before entering the meditation hall."

He calls himself a "laboratory rat" with ADD, figuring that, "if I could get much in the way of benefits out of meditation, just about anyone could." He does.

I loved his application of Darwinian theory: "Buddhism had been studying how the human mind is programmed to react to its environment, how exactly the 'conditioning' works. Now, with Darwin's theory, we understood what had done the programming." Many of our impulses, designed to help us pass on our genes, don't serve us well today. Our feelings and perceptions often end up leaving us misguided, unhappy and dissatisfied.

"Both our natural view of the world 'out there' and our natural view of the world 'in here' - the world inside our heads - are deeply misleading." He's convincing in explaining why. Through common sense examples, scientific studies, and his own experience, he explains how Buddhist practices successfully address our delusive way of living. He's not shy about bigger issues - e.g. how continuing tribalism is harming us. "I think the salvation of the world can be secured via the cultivation of calm, clear minds and the wisdom they allow." A big claim, but he's not alone in making it. Although he believes modest improvements via Buddhist practice are the practical goal, he also takes on explaining "nirvana", and does a good job of it.

I used to recommend more advanced books like Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind to people wanting a place to start on Buddhist principles - and that didn't work very well. From now on, I'm recommending this one. He has done his homework, but made the concepts accessible for those new to all this.

Sep 28, 2017, 4:40pm Top

Regarding Amazon. I don't think that Amazon, as a company has done anything innovative. Amazon is not the first delivery company. They were not the first company to let people order goods and materials and send it out to them through the mail. They weren't the first company to let people order visual or digital media materials either, and deliver those materials. I think Amazon gets credit for developing revolutionary ideas when the reality is that as a company they merely refined the ideas of somebody else. Companies always rise and fall and Sears failure to stick with what it did better than anybody else - sell goods without having a brick and mortar store - and then deliver it right to the customer in their own home, is one of the colossal failures of all time? I take the position that Sears gave the public what they wanted. Customers wanted to go to Sears and look at the goods in the store - they still do - they didn't want to buy from the catalog - now they do. As a result Sears invested heavily in paying high dollar rents in big fancy malls that everybody loved going to - and still does. The last time I was at the big mall in Birmingham the place was so crowded I couldn't hardly walk, and had to wait in line for coffee at Starbucks. (I was at the mall to return some clothes I ordered from J. Jill. I didn't want to pay shipping on the package, so I drove to Birmingham and returned them at the store. That way it didn't cost me anything? It is only 50 miles from Tuscaloosa to Birmingham and I was going to visit friends anyway, so the trip to the J. Jill store was free?)

But to give Amazon credit, what they did do that was different and outstanding, was the algorithm that figured out the "if you liked this, you might like this" conundrum. That algorithm is uncanny in its ability to predict what an individual will like. That alone is the reason why it managed to snag many shoppers.

It is not Amazon I am being hard on - it is the fickle shopper.

Sep 28, 2017, 4:50pm Top

>179 jnwelch: Great review - thanks! Adding it to the wishlist...

Sep 28, 2017, 4:53pm Top

>179 jnwelch: I've read quite a lot about Buddhism over the past 30+ years, including some of the more difficult writing of the Dalai Lama, and did a beginners course years ago, as I find an empathy with many of it's ideas, so this will be lept upon when it comes out here next year.

Stop firing book bullets Joe!

Sep 28, 2017, 5:59pm Top

>179 jnwelch: Interesting review! On the wish list for me.

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>180 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. I can tell this is a topic that is much on your mind.

We always build on the efforts of those preceding, right? There were cafes before Starbucks, people talked to each other before Facebook (do they still do that sometimes?), and people could order goods for delivery from a company before Amazon. I do like the "if you like this, you'll like that" feature of Amazon, but it's only one of many that I believe draw customers. Not to mention all the other businesses Amazon is developing, and the cutting edge software it has created and continues to create.

>181 scaifea: Thanks, Amber! This book really came out of nowhere for me, and I'm so glad it did.

>182 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! Sorry about the book bullets, Caroline! At least I did my best to steer you clear of that Girl Who Takes one.

I'm like you in reading about and studying Buddhism for an long, long time; you'll find a ton to enjoy and think about in this one. There were times when I thought he went on at a bit greater length than necessary, but I wonder whether that's because I had done all that previous work. He touches on various ancient sources just enough, in my view. He gives the reader the means to follow up in the back.

Here's one epigram he gives that you'd appreciate: "Zen is for poets, Tibetan is for artists, and Vipassana is for psychologists." Ha!

P.S. Here's another one I loved: "For example, the Abhidhamma Pitaka, a collection of early Buddhist texts, asserts that there are eighty-nine kinds of consciousness, twelve of which are unwholesome. You may be relieved to hear that this book will spend no time trying to evaluate that claim."

Sep 28, 2017, 6:13pm Top

Sep 28, 2017, 6:18pm Top

Sweet Thursday, Joe! Looking forward to starting my long weekend. It should be an action packed one too. I was invited to the Cubs game on Saturday. Perfect timing and it will be much cooler.

I am enjoying Fate of the Tearling but I wish I wouldn't have waited nearly a year since getting to it. A lot of characters and story-lines to sort through.

Heading out to watch the Cubs and the Bears, eat some wings and drink a couple of brews.

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>185 msf59: Woo-hoo! There's some satisfaction in their clinching in St. Louis, but it would've been fun to have them clinch here - we can hear folks whooping it up from our house.

>186 msf59: Sweet Thursday, buddy! Don't miss the review in >179 jnwelch:; a while ago you asked me about a good starter book, and if this one had been around, it's the one I would've picked.

Yeah, I read the Tearling books all together, after Benita recommended them, and that helped keep things straight. I'm very curious to hear what you think of this last one; it worked for me, but I've seen others react differently. Johansen makes some bold choices that I found worthwhile and thought-provoking.

Sep 28, 2017, 9:03pm Top

>179 jnwelch: Great review! I think that is a perfect Christmas gift for my sister in law. She is a chiropractor and teaches yoga and is very deep minded, I bet she would love that one!

Congrats to you and Mark for the Cubs moving on! My Jays did not have a good season and I don't think my fave Bautista will be back next year

Sep 29, 2017, 6:30am Top

Morning, Joe!

Sep 29, 2017, 8:07am Top

>188 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! Sounds like a good one for your SIL. I alerted my two sisters to it - one is a yoga teacher, too, and the other is open-minded.

Them Cubs done good, eh? Sorry about your Jays and Bautista.

>189 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

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>179 jnwelch: Good review of Why Buddhism is True. Big Thumb. I have requested it from the library and it appears to be a HOT book, with many copies available. I definitely would like to read more about Buddhism. Maybe the whole world, should take a closer look, right?

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>180 benitastrnad: >184 jnwelch:
Amazon didn't cook up the algorithm that suggests "other" things you might like. But Amazon has used it to great advantage. I recall seeing a teevee segment about a British mail order company that used it. The order takers you'd call got suggestions for other items you might buy, based on what you ordered. The example that sticks in my mind was an order for a dress shirt and a necktie. And the algorithm offered bath towels, and when the order-taker suggested it, the customer said, "You know I was thinking we need new towels." I don't recall if the algorithm took into account previous orders from that customer or not. But the leap from a shirt and tie to towels is pretty unexpected. Yet it worked.

When we were renting DVDs from Netflix, there was a component that offered flicks based on how you rated previous rentals.

Sep 29, 2017, 4:21pm Top

Hey Joe and Happy Friday!

I have also thumbed your review of Why Buddhism is True and I ordered a copy for myself. I believe it is in transit and I look forward to reading it.
Right now I'm reading the first Harry Bingham mystery novel (Fiona Griffiths) for a break from all the Booker nominees. It's a fun read.

One of our book group members said he read a compelling essay that suggested that one gets more out of reading if one has 3-4 books going at one time, moving back and forth between them. It's something about the re-engagement that helps with comprehension and memory of the book's thread. Or something like that. So, I keep telling myself to read more than one book at a time (right now I have Talking to the Dead going on my Kindle and Whistling Vivaldi going on audible) but I do get pulled into what I'm reading at the moment.

Go Cubbies!!!

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>192 msf59: Thanks, buddy - and thanks for the thumb!

I thought you'd be interested in Why Buddhism is True. I just recommended it to our son and my sisters. Buddhism is good for what ails ya. Yeah, I'd love to see the whole world take a greater interest. I still can't believe this book is "hot" at the library, and on the bestseller lists. That's encouraging.

>193 weird_O: Thanks, Bill.

Yeah, even our humble LT recommends books to us now. Bath towels from a dress shirt and tie - that's getting near to psychic level. :-)

Sep 29, 2017, 4:48pm Top

>194 EBT1002: Happy Friday, Ellen!

Thanks for the thumb! And for picking up a copy of Why Buddhism is True. He's humble, with a sense of humor, and makes for good company.

Did I mention I love that Fiona Griffiths series?! The only problem is I devoured it as fast as I could. Can't wait for the next one.

Oh, I like that endorsement of reading 3-4 books at a time! That's the norm for folks like Mark and me. I've attributed it to the "candy store phenomenon" - I see so many ones I want to read, and juggling a few helps me get to more of them faster (please don't bring any math or logic to bear on this).

I usually have going a fiction and nonfiction on the Kindle, a hard copy fiction or nonfiction, a poetry book, and a graphic novel. Something about re-engaging with them helps with comprehension and memory - okay, I totally cribbed that from what you said. But I do enjoy doing it that way.

It also has the advantage of allowing me to read by mood to some extent - I've got to be pretty awake to handle the poetry, for example, but a Heyer is a nice bit of escape. As another example, while reading the chock full of info Why Buddhism is True, I probably read three novels. The same kind of thing happened with I Contain Multitudes and The Gene.

Whistling Vivaldi is new to me, so I'll look for your reaction to that one.

Sep 29, 2017, 5:16pm Top

Hi Joe!

>178 jnwelch: I liked the first Lagercrantz Lisbeth Salander, but won't go for the second one. You're right - Salander and Blomqvist are the draws.

I started the Fiona Griffiths series in November of last year, am all caught up, and am anxious for another one too!

Sep 29, 2017, 5:53pm Top

>197 karenmarie: Hi Karen!

Isn't that Fiona Griffiths series a blast? She's one of my favorite characters now.

Yeah, unfortunately, I wouldn't waste your time on the second Lagercrantz Lisbeth Salander. What a shame. What he was thinking the second time around is beyond me.

Sep 29, 2017, 7:18pm Top

>193 weird_O:

I rarely even notice the Buy Other Stuff area on Amazon.

What does work is being able to place A SINGLE ORDER that covers,
often with big discounts and always with free delivery,
items from hardware stores, drugstore, Vitamin Shoppe, Pet Store, grocery, shoe stores, and more.

Not only does this save time and gas, but many of the things are REALLY heavy, like cat litter.

Having them delivered to the doorstep
(or even inside, if I get to U.P. in time and why don't they knock anymore?)
is wonderful,

notably in the winter when getting out of the driveway or just over the ice to the truck is tricky or dangerous.

And Yes, I would return to any of the above mentioned local stores IF they would just deliver, even with a small fee.

Sep 29, 2017, 7:24pm Top

>196 jnwelch: I do think you are one of the LTers who warbled to me about the Fiona Griffiths series. I'm rather liking how gradually I'm getting to know her.

The mood-reading thing makes sense to me and the way you do it makes sense, too --- having a long, rather information-heavy nonfiction work going along, and reading 2-4 novels during that work's unfolding. That is how I always envision myself reading multiple works at once. I am finding that poetry works best for me on weekend mornings. I think it's related to the needing-to-be-awake thing, and those leisurely mornings with two mugs of coffee (instead of just one and then, usually, a fairly focused effort to get out the door for my run) are just perfect for reading a few poems.

Whistling Vivaldi is really excellent.

Sep 30, 2017, 8:38am Top

Morning, Joe!

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>201 scaifea: Morning, my early bird friend! Time to start gathering at the cafe.

P.S. Is that Mark I see over there?

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>199 m.belljackson: Well said, mbj. The convenience of having all those types of products available with free delivery is a biggie, and I've thought about how it must help a lot of folks with the really heavy stuff like cat litter. And in winter, right.

We're lucky (non-urbanites might demur) to live in a city with lots of stores around us within walking distance, including Trader Joe's. But there still are times when Amazon is more convenient for some hard to get item, like loofas.

>200 EBT1002: Hi, Ellen. I'm sure I was one of the Fiona-warblers - it's hard to shut me up about that series.

Yeah, breaking up the info-filled NFs with lighter reads works well. And sometimes the challenging F's, like Infinite Jest. Debbi just read 3 or 4 lighter ones while working her way through The Orphan Master's Son.

I'm happy you've got the poetry in your reading diet - that sounds perfect. Hope you've had a chance this morning to relax with some and a couple of cups of coffee.

OK, I'm adding Whistling Vivaldi to the WL.

P.S. Did you recommend Eleanor Oliphant to me? It may have been Anne (NarratorLady). I'll be giving it a go as soon as I finish Cousin Kate.

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David Zinn

Sep 30, 2017, 1:06pm Top

>204 jnwelch: LIKE!

Happy Saturday, Joe. Spent the last hour recapping some stuff on my thread but hardly any time for thread visits. I leave for the Cubbies game in less than an hour. Should be a nice day in the bleachers.

Have a good one, bud!

Sep 30, 2017, 1:12pm Top

>205 msf59: Thanks, Mark!

I was just over on your thread exclaiming about what a great weekend you're having already. Enjoy the Cubbies game! Yes, it should be perfect in the bleachers today - it can get awfully hot, but not today.

With Kol Nidre and Yom Kippur, it's a bit of quiet, reflective one for us. I went last night with Debbi, and she's at services now with Becca.

Sep 30, 2017, 11:29pm Top

Your thread is reminding me that I should get back to the Fiona Griffith's series. That will have to wait for a while though as I am in trip planning mode at the moment.

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>194 EBT1002: >196 jnwelch: reading several books at a time has always been the norm for me. Then one just takes over and demands to be finished first. I normally have a novel, a non-fiction and a biography on the go at the same time at least. Maybe som poetry and essays.

I agree that it suits mood readers too Joe.

>202 jnwelch: what beautiful birds.

Oct 1, 2017, 9:34am Top

>194 EBT1002: & >196 jnwelch: & >208 Caroline_McElwee:

I am another who reads several at once. If I need to re-spike my mojo, it could be as many as ten books at once!

Have a wonderful Sunday, Joe.

Oct 1, 2017, 9:55am Top

Morning, Joe! Love >204 jnwelch: - adorable!

Oct 1, 2017, 10:01am Top

I have been known to read (cough) several at the same time, but it tends to be that one will grab me and I'll abandon all the others until it's done. Oh yes, as >208 Caroline_McElwee: has already said.

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Morning, Joe! Happy Sunday. I have a few light house chores to attend and a quick food shopping but the rest of the day, will be spent in the Marky-Mark Man Cave, huddled up with the books. I read nothing yesterday, other than a few pages of audio on Fate of the Tearling, on my drive to the bird walk. I should make up for it today.

Have a great day. Looks to be another beauty.

Oct 1, 2017, 10:53am Top

>207 Familyhistorian: There's our retired friend! Happy Sunday, Meg! Any plans for tomorrow - maybe walk by work, smiling and waving?

Planning for a trip sounds good - where are you heading? Fiona would make for good vacation reading.

>208 Caroline_McElwee: Hi, Caroline.

Aren't those birds in >202 jnwelch: beautiful? What a photo.

Yes, I would've guessed you're a multiple books at a time reader. Debbi loves memoirs - I don't see her read biographies as much. I usually have one take over, too.

We're about to head out for a Debbi storytelling and then an apple festival, so I'll be back later.

Oct 1, 2017, 11:14am Top

I've got time to respond a bit on the phone.

>209 PaulCranswick:. Hi, Paul! Ten books at once! That would be too much for me. I did see over on your thread that you have a bunch of stellar ones going.

Our exchange on someone's thread inspired me, so I'm putting together a list of favorite graphic novels that I'll post soonish.

Hope you have a wonderful Sunday yourownself, mate.

>210 scaifea:. Morning, Amber! I'm glad you're enjoying >204 jnwelch:. That David Zinn is a master of the 3D adorable, isn't he. Plus this seemed like the right time of year.

Oct 1, 2017, 11:18am Top

>211 charl08:. Good to have another fellow multiple book reader, Charlotte. Yeah, usually one takes over for a while for me, too. Right now, The Western Star (Longmire and Eleanor Oliphant are vying for supremacy.

>212 msf59:. Morning, Mark! Have fun taking it easy and reading in the MM Man Cave. Sounds like a perfect day.

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>213 jnwelch: I can smell the apples... inhaling deeply.

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So far behind here...okay...

>179 jnwelch: I look forward to reading this one--great review.
--Another Amazon Prime fan here.
--Pooh on having to pay-per-view for Star Trek.
--I usually have about 4 books going at once. An audio, one on Kindle that I can use my phone to read when I am stuck in a waiting office or line somewhere, and then a light and a serious pair at home.
>215 jnwelch: Just finished The Western Star--just FYI we have to wait until 9/18 for the next one...!

Oct 1, 2017, 5:27pm Top

>216 Caroline_McElwee: What a wonderful time of year, Caroline. Apples everywhere. We particularly snarfed down apple cider and apple pie. They were already out of cider donuts, darn it, or we would've added that to the snarfle.

>217 Berly: Hi, Kim.

Oh good. I'll look forward to hearing your reaction to Why Buddhism is True.

Good to hear re Amazon Prime and pooh-ing pay-per-view for Star Trek.

I'm another one who reads Kindle on my phone when necessary. Thank goodness for that option!

How did you like The Western Star? Yeah, that's always the problem with being caught up on a series. Why can't he write them as fast as we read them? :-)

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OK, discussions on other threads made me think, it would be fun to put together a list of graphic novel favorites. So here goes, one for grups (grownups) and one for kids. Someone's going to get mad at me for not putting Watchmen on the first one, but I didn't like it that much. Also, my definition of "graphic novel" is pretty loose on these and, of course, some of them aren't "novels" at all. Finally, many are the first in a favorite series, and I try to indicate that.

Favorite Graphic Novels

Alice in Sunderland by Bryan Talbot
American Born Chinese by Gene Luen Yang
Amphigorey by Edward Gorey
Asterios Polyp by David Mazzucchelli
Blankets by Craig Thompson

Bone (One Volume) by Jeff Smith
Boxers & Saints Boxed Set by Gene Luen Yang
Britten and Brulightly by Hannah Berry
Can't We Talk About Something More Pleasant by Roz Chast
The Cartoon History of the Universe by Larry Gonick

The Complete Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
The Collected Essex County by Jeff Lemire
The Complete Little Nemo in Slumberland (several volumes) by Winsor McCay
Daytripper by Gabriel Ba
Death: The High Cost of Living by Neil Gaiman

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep Omnibus by Philip K. Dick
Exit Wounds by Rutu Modan
Fun Home by Alison Bechdel
The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman
How to Understand Israel in 60 Days by Sarah Glidden

Oct 1, 2017, 9:40pm Top

>221 jnwelch:

MACBETH as a Graphic Novel is pretty cool and one of the originals.

Oct 1, 2017, 10:23pm Top

>219 jnwelch: Great GN Favorites list, Joe. Many of these would also be on my list. Good job. There might be a few I might have to add to my WL.

Oct 1, 2017, 10:35pm Top

No Maus and no Tintin?

Oct 2, 2017, 12:54am Top

I just marked those Graphic Novel posts for future reference! Thank you. : )

Oct 2, 2017, 8:26am Top

>223 m.belljackson: Thanks, mbj. Which Macbeth? There are a few graphics out there of it, as well as his other plays. I agree, it's a great way to read the Bard.

>224 msf59: Thanks, Mark. If you think of any that aren't on there, please let me know. It was fun to put together.

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>225 Oberon: Hi, Erik.

Yes, Maus is up there in >220 jnwelch:. I've read Tintin, and have The Adventures of Tintin: Tintin in America / Cigars of the Pharaoh / The Blue Lotus in my library. But, unfortunately, for me it's not a favorite. Do you have one you particularly recommend?

>226 Berly: Ah, good, Kim. I hoped it would be useful to some of our group. I've been a nutter about them for a while, as you can tell.

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Oct 2, 2017, 8:54am Top

Great lists! I hope Megan sees your kids list for her son

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>230 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle!

Me, too, re Megan. I gave her some of those in a post, but thought of more later. If she doesn't stop by, I'll supplement on her thread.

That's really what got me started, along with Paul's comment about being new to GNs.

P.S. There's an age range in the Kids group, e.g. Honor Girl is more young adult. But I figure folks considering them will look them up.

Oct 2, 2017, 10:05am Top

>228 jnwelch: Ahh - missed your Maus notation - apologies. As for Tintin, my favorites are Red Rackham's Treasure and Tintin in Tibet as the best.

Oct 2, 2017, 10:26am Top

Very little experience with graphic novels have I. First two Marches, not the third. The Graveyard duo, Lovelace and Babbage. But I'll keep an eye open for others I may run across.

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Good morning, Joe. I hope all is well with you.

Funny you should mention GNs. I just picked up three from Mark Millar. Chrononauts, Reborn Millar, and Starlight Millar. I'll keep you posted.

>229 jnwelch: beautiful image. The color of the water jumps and, of course, the 3D element is excellent.

Oct 2, 2017, 11:38am Top

Morning, Joe. Quick check in, due to a heavy workload. It looks to be a warm one but it feels pretty good at the moment and a breeze always helps.

Enjoy your day.

Oct 2, 2017, 1:14pm Top

>232 Oberon: Thanks, Erik. There's a good chance I can get those Tintins through our library system.

>233 weird_O: You've certainly hit on some high quality ones, Bill. I don't know whether you need a nudge on the third March GN, but it's excellent, maybe even better than the first two, as good as they are.

Oct 2, 2017, 1:17pm Top

>234 brodiew2: Morning, Brodie. I'll look forward to hearing about the Millar GNs you've found. I WL'd that Empress Book One one you liked.

Isn't >229 jnwelch: well done? Coming across that on the sidewalk should perk up anyone's day.

>235 msf59: Thanks for stopping by on a heavy workload morning, Mark. I was surprised at how nice it is out. Hope it all goes well for you today.

Oct 2, 2017, 1:34pm Top

The weather has finally gotten bearable down here. This morning it was very pleasant outside. I hope it stays that way for the rest of the day. And maybe for another day or two.

Oct 2, 2017, 2:04pm Top

>227 jnwelch:

WORKMAN edition of MACBETH - from 1982!

My 4th graders and I loved it - read together right up to nearly the end,
then journeyed to American Players in Spring Green for an afternoon show -
a friendly way to create rooms full of Shakespeare lovers.

With my early retirement, I still have 8 used copies - send an address if you are interested.

Oct 2, 2017, 4:17pm Top

>238 benitastrnad: Hi, Benita. Glad to hear the weather has improved. I'm sure it gets hot where you are. Enjoy the pleasant interlude. :-)

>239 m.belljackson: From what I can tell, this is it, mbj:


I love that you read it with your fourth-graders. Our kids had classes like that at that age. I can remember one parent at a Parents Night saying, "Aren't they a little young for Shakespeare", and the rest of us thinking "no". The teacher said no very diplomatically, as I recall.

And then you took them to see it on stage - how great.

Early retirement - nice! I have a graphic MacBeth that I've read, along with graphics of a bunch of the other plays. We go to Shakespeare plays all the time (next is Taming of the Shrew with an all female cast at Chicago Shakespeare Theater - can't wait! Barbara Gaines take on that problematic play). Anyway, I find it a lot easier and more enjoyable to read them in the graphic formats, where you can at least see actors saying the lines in graphic form. Gareth Hinds has a really good one. https://smile.amazon.com/Macbeth-Gareth-Hinds/dp/0763678023/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1506975422&sr=1-1&keywords=macbeth+gareth+hinds

Thanks for the offer on the Workman one. I'm okay for now, but other cafe patrons may be interested.

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Tom Petty RIP - 66 years old. Way too young.

I've always loved his music, and saw him with the Heartbreakers at Red Rocks many moons ago.

Oct 2, 2017, 5:19pm Top

I saw him with Bob Dylan in Chicago back in 1986 - made the trip over from Lansing where I was in grad school. Tom played, Bob played, then they all played together for a grand total of about 4 hours of music. Awesome.

Oct 2, 2017, 5:55pm Top

>242 drneutron: Wow. That sounds awesome, Jim. Hard to lose him.

Oct 2, 2017, 6:05pm Top

>240 jnwelch: Every time I see a Macbeth reference, I have to give a shout out to Akira Kurusawa and Toshiro Mifune and the film Throne of Blood. What a brilliant adaptation!

Oct 2, 2017, 6:06pm Top

>229 jnwelch: This is astonishing stuff, Joe.

I admire folks who can have more than one book going at a time. I'm more of a dive-in reader, stopping only to connect, when necessary, with the 'real' world. I must try to do two different kinds, see how that works for me.

Oct 2, 2017, 6:27pm Top

>244 brodiew2: going to get me a copy of that, we have a tradition of Japanese films on Boxing Day! Not sure how that one slipped through the net, we’ve watched a lot of Kurosawa over the years.

Oct 2, 2017, 6:44pm Top

I'm glad to be of service, Caroline_McElwee! I have been a big fan of Mifune and Kurosawa for many years.

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>244 brodiew2:, >247 brodiew2: Oh, good one, Brodie, thanks. Like Caroline, I've seen several Kurosawa films, but not that one. And I'm a big Toshiro Mifune fan. My favorite Kurosawa film is "Seven Samurai". You probably know that Lucas's Star Wars was inspired in part by his "Hidden Fortress".

>245 ffortsa: Isn't >229 jnwelch: astonishing, Judy? I don't know how these artists manage to do it so well.

I've been doing the multiple books so long that it would be hard to read just one at a time now. You're smart to try adding one first. I suspect that you'll get used to reading multiples pretty quickly. I like having options as to what I feel like reading at the moment.

>246 Caroline_McElwee: I like that tradition, Caroline. Like you, I've watched a number of his films over the years.

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I LOVED this book. As others have said, you have to hang in there, but the payoff is well worth it. Thank you Anne (NarratorLady) for recommending it.

Oct 2, 2017, 8:07pm Top

>240 jnwelch:

Yes, that's it!

We also read (printed sheets only - there was no graphic novel for it yet) A Midsummer Night's Dream,
acted it out (not a great idea for MACBETH), and headed for American Players for another thrilling afternoon.

No, of course the kids didn't understand every word, phrase, or nuance, but neither do most adults!

The plot was the thing! And the costumed characters carried us all away!

Oct 3, 2017, 12:53am Top

>249 jnwelch: Oh good, you clarified that it was Anne who recommended Eleanor Oliphant, not me. But I'm adding it to my wish list after your warble there, so there is that.

Oct 3, 2017, 6:22am Top

Morning, Joe!

Oct 3, 2017, 8:53am Top

>250 m.belljackson: Oh, that sounds great, Marianne. Good for you. Those were some lucky kids. I'm sure they took away, among many other things, not to be "afraid" of Shakespeare, and that Shakespeare tells a good story. Wonderful.

>251 EBT1002: Good to hear, Ellen. As a recommendation of a really good book that I was unfamiliar with, it fit your modus operandi, but this time it was our friend Anne. :-) I'm glad you're WL'ing it; it's right up your alley.

>252 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

Oct 3, 2017, 9:54am Top

The new cafe is open - see you there!

Oct 3, 2017, 5:36pm Top

>249 jnwelch: it’s in the pile, so glad to hear it’s a good one Joe.

Oct 3, 2017, 6:08pm Top

>255 Caroline_McElwee: 'Tis, Caroline. It would be worth moving it toward the top of that pile, in fact. It's not that long, and it's engrossing.

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