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Your challenge for October, 2017, is to...
***Read a book with an animal named or embedded in the third word on any page***
1. List the page number and the three words.
2. The three words may not contain any numerals (e.g. 1984, B-17, Chapter 5, etc.). Printed-out numbers (i.e. five instead of 5) can count for any of the three words.
3. No humans, but any other species of fauna is acceptable including words such as insect, animal, etc.
4. The word must be in the third word, not across two or three words.
5. In the event that the first word is really a half-word (completion of a word from a previous page), you have the option of either counting or omitting the half-word.
Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):
1. The October 2017 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. FYI: This is not meant to be competitive - only fun!
2. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges - You may use this reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, just make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it. (Updated 01/05/17)
Wiki Index of Challenges:
1. Read a book with an animal named or embedded in the third word on any page - msg #1
2. Read a work of social history involving books - msg #3
3. Read a last book in a series - msg #4
4. Read a book that is one click away from the book preceding in in the wiki list - msg #6
5. Read a book in which someone wears a costume, disguise or mask - msg #7
6. Read a book where the authors first name starts with a vowel - msg #13
7. Read a book that is listed by Author's birth month as a Rolling Challenge - msg #14
8. Read a book whose first letter of the title begins with HOCKEY - msg #18
9. Read a book that has some tie to birds in the title, author name or cover art - msg #26
10. Read a book where the author's name contains a common noun - msg #49
11. Read a book about a Founding Father or Mother of the US or any other country,someone who was important to the beginning of the country - msg #57
12. Read a book set in Scandinavia - msg #60
13. Read a book with three O's in the title or the author's name - msg #65
14. Read a book of non-fiction that could be classified in three ways - msg #70
Hold your challenge until the November, 2017, challenges are posted. Thank you!
Challenge #2: Read a work of social history involving books
To qualify, the book should be a non-fiction work involving books in some significant way, but not solely a "book about books". It might, for example, be on a topic related to publishing, or bookselling, or libraries, or censorship, or in some cases education; books should be involved but the topic should be broader. Your book can be about an author, but not just about an author (i.e. was the author also known for something else discussed in your book?).
Note also, I am using "social history" in a generic sense, simply to open up as wide a range of topic areas as possible.
I hope that's clear? Please feel free to ask questions!
I resigned from my job last month, and while I'm working on it, I don't yet have a job lined up to go to. In which case, a lot of my current conversations focus on endings. When do I finish, when is the leaving do, who will fill my shoes (they're a size 4, most people could fill my shoes and then some!). Which I struggled to translate into something not too maudlin, because actually I'm not feeling down about this as a decision. I've been bouncing around like a sunbeam ever since I resigned (much to the annoyance of some!). It'll be fine is the mantra of the moment. All of which I summed up in a nice easy challenge.
Challenge #3: Read a last book in a series
Getting to the end of a series (I will accept anything trilogy or longer as a series) has that end of an era feel about it. However there is usually some satisfaction about having achieved a series ending, while maybe wanting more.
Hope all of that makes sense.
Challenge #4: Read a book that is one click away from the book preceeding in in the wiki list
This is a “Six degrees of
(Clicking “Show more” on the LT recommendations doesn’t count as your one click – only clicking links that take you to another page counts as clicks.)
TIOLI #5: Read a book in which someone wears a costume, disguise or mask.
In honor of the fact the October hosts the celebration of Halloween (and that I’m in a play that performs the last two weekends of the month,) I challenge everyone to read a book in which someone, anyone, puts on a costume, disguise or mask for any reason or any length of time, fiction or nonfiction.
Superheros, detectives, actors, spies, LARPers, Mardi Gras attendees, people who just like to wear a gorilla suit around and, yes, small children (and adults) who are trick-or-treating are all fair game.
>3 lyzard: I think I understand what you're getting at but am having a hard time putting this understanding into an actual book choice. Would something like A Gentle Madness count? Although I've already read it, how about a book on the role of books for soldiers who went off to war in World War 2 When Books Went to War.
>4 Helenliz: Must the book clearly be the last book in the series or is the most recent book, after a lengthy time since publication of the last book, acceptable? I have several mystery series where the author has not published a book in at least 10 years. I'm not sure that the most recent book resolved everything with finality. More likely, the author lost her contract and never continued.
>7 Dejah_Thoris: Would a catcher's mask (baseball) or goalie mask (hockey) count?
>8 lindapanzo: That scenario would work for me. A series where the next books is due out next year is clearly not at an end; after 10 years I think we can be pretty safe in assuming there's not going to be a follow on.
>8 lindapanzo: That is an excellent question, Linda. I confess that my intent was masks that disguise or decorate, but the thought of functional masks hadn't really crossed my mind.
You found a loophole; I'm inclined to let it stand. Go for it!
>4 Helenliz: Would you accept the second book in a two part series or the third book in a trilogy?
>10 Dejah_Thoris: People have been known to call me a "Loophole Finder." It's what I do. Heh-heh. We'll see. I've got a couple of Halloween or Mardi Gras mysteries in mind as well. They might well have masks etc.
Most months, I can jump right into the early challenges. Not so this month. This is harder.
>10 Dejah_Thoris: I'll accept third book in a trilogy. A 2 book series doesn't feel, to me, to be long enough to be a series, so to that I will say no.
Challenge #6: Read a book where the authors first name starts with a vowel
Challenge #7: Read a Book that you list by Author's Birth Month in a Rolling Challenge
As it is my birthday month, I have started the challenge off with October, the next person will have to list a book whose author has or had a November birthday etc.
Please only list one author at a time, and shared reads are encouraged.
>11 lindapanzo: Well you certainly pounced on the loophole in my Challenge, quickly enough, lol.
I knew a potential problem with my Challenge was that, like many we've had recently, it isn't always easy to tell if a book will fit until you're actually reading it. I've read many books for September that would work for it, but I wouldn't have known it until I hit that particular moment in the story. More often than not, lately, I'm not posting a book to a Challenge until after I've completed it, which isn't good for picking up shared reads.
>12 Helenliz: Thanks for the quick answer - I thought a duology might not work. I'll definitely be reading Farewell, Miss Zukas, which is clear the last in the series. I've been avoiding reading it for years, because I didn't want the series to be over.....
According to what I know of them, both those books would work, Linda.
>16 lyzard: Thanks for the quick answer. I think I've got several book-club related nonfiction works. One involves a book club set in a penitentiary. I'm sure I'll find something.
The year I read it, When Books Went to War was a top 3 book for me for the year.
>15 Dejah_Thoris: That's true. I was thinking of the new Halloween mystery I picked up. I still plan to read it but I may not know whether there is any mask-wearing til afterwards.
Challenge #8: Read a book whose first letter of the title begins with HOCKEY
In honor of the start of the hockey season, let's do a rolling challenge where the first letter of a book starts with the letters in HOCKEY.
If the title begins with A, An, The, or whatnot, it would not fit. So The Call of the Wild would not fit because it starts with The, not with Call.
>3 lyzard: Would a book about the history of Dutch books for children, from the Middle Ages to the 20th century, qualify?
>15 Dejah_Thoris: I thought that about a number of challenges and especially hard if you are reading a library e-book to find something on a page such as in challenge #1. Also looking back in an e-book is hard for me, I find them impossible to navigate in the overdrive & borrowbox app, so hard to find my place again.
I finished off a couple of series earlier in the year and don't think I have any apart from a YA one, The FitzOsbornes at war up for finishing, it's been in the pipeline for a couple of years so maybe this is the nudge.
>20 avatiakh: Try finding your books on Google books. That would work for me even if you are actually reading an ebook.
Borderline, but I'll allow it: it sounds like a "book about books", but its scope is so broad that I'll count it as history. :)
>22 lyzard: Thanks, it a a tome I wanted to read.
It isn't only about the books, but also the purpose books had towards the children, that changed through the centuries.
Just to check your "separation" parameters: you say another book in the same series is okay, but doesn't that take two clicks? - i.e. from the book page to the series list then to the next book page?
That would absolutely qualify it! ("It isn't only about books" is what I'm looking for here.)
Challenge #9: Read a book that has some tie to birds in the title, author name or cover art
So I'll accept books with 'nest', 'feather', 'egg' or wing' as well as bird names. Use your imagination!
>24 lyzard: Good point. I'll remove that wording. Though I'm guessing the next book in the series will often be among the recommended books anyway.
So is it more correct to say you can get to a link to another book with one click? I'm not seeing any way of getting from book page to book page in one click.
>28 lyzard: It is possible from "LibraryThing Recommendations" at the main page.
There is a small arrow down with "Show more", that isn't considered a click.
Ah, yes - okay: I was clicking the 'recommendations' link in the left-hand menu.
>28 lyzard: You can go either by "LibraryThing Recommendations" (like Anita pointed out), by "Member Recommendations" or by "Work-to-Work Relationships". There might be more ways, but I haven't seen any.
>29 FAMeulstee: Good to know that "show more" isn't considered a click. I was wondering about that.
>10 Dejah_Thoris: Since Linda has found a loophole for your challenge, can I now add to it by listing a book in which someone is wearing a surgical mask?
>35 DeltaQueen50: Heh-heh, the floodgates are opening.
Judy, I liked your idea about reading a Nero Wolfe book for Madelaine's challenge #1. I checked out a few of the ones I haven't read and no luck yet. I'm determined though.
>35 DeltaQueen50: >36 lindapanzo: Too funny. When I was considering Linda's question, I thought to myself, "well, that would open it up to surgical masks, and gas masks and scuba masks and who knows what else" - and I said ok anyway.
Judy, my answer to you is the same I gave Loophole Linda - go for it!
>37 Dejah_Thoris: Thanks, I seem to be struggling so far this month with trying to place my planned reads so this will help. You will be happy to hear that the reason the characters are wearing surgical masks is to avoid catching a zombie-plague so this book is sort of a Halloween read. ;)
>7 Dejah_Thoris: Is it okay if I add a book to the wiki and add what the disguise/mask is later? You didn't say we had to add it to the wiki but everyone has, so far, so I just wanted to check. I'm planning on reading one of the Scarlet Pimpernel books (Sir Percy Leads the Band) and it's the Scarlet Pimpernel so I KNOW there will be disguises, just don't know exactly what yet.
Whoops, I blundered on Challenge #1. That'll teach me to read the instructions more carefully! I thought the animal could be in any of the first three words - I should have realized that Madeline would have made it more "challenging" than that!
Inspired by Judy's (DeltaQueen50) ongoing commitment to TIOLI, I've decided to dip my toes back into the TIOLI pool by adding a book to her challenge #7. Turns out, the next National Book Award nominee I was about to read was not only born in April, like my son, but that was the next month open on the rolling challenge. The TIOLI gods at work.
>41 Carmenere: Welcome back, Lynda and thanks for adding an April birthday to my challenge as I have been waiting to add one for May!
>3 lyzard: When I first saw your "social history involving books" challenge, I immediately thought of a book I owned (and still might) about the founding of the Book of the Month Club, the rise of Great Books programs, the start of newspaper book review sections, and other things that helped bring middlebrow culture to the masses in the 20th century. It is The Making of Middlebrow Culture by Joan Shelley Rubin. Definitely a social history involving books but not just books.
This'll be just the incentive to find my copy and actually read it. I suspect I picked it up about 15 or 20 years ago when the book first came out.
>40 DeltaQueen50: I should have realized that Madeline would have made it more "challenging" than that!
Of course! :D
>41 Carmenere: Welcome back! It's so nice to have you here again, Lynda.
>40 DeltaQueen50: >45 SqueakyChu: Of course Madeline would make it more challenging than that.
I always get a laugh when I see the placeholder "read a book" and think that, someday, that'll be someone's challenge.
>43 lindapanzo: I am eager to read it. I am shocked that I haven't already read it but tried different ways of searching and couldn't find it anywhere.
Challenge #10: Read a book where the author's name contains a common noun - started by susanna.fraser
Has to be a common noun rather than a proper one, because everyone's name is a proper noun. Embedded words are fine.
I always get a laugh when I see the placeholder "read a book" and think that, someday, that'll be someone's challenge.
>39 PawsforThought: You're right - I didn't ask everybody to add how their book fits, but I'm delighted folks are doing so. I had some vague idea that the info might be a bit of a spoiler - so if that's the case, feel free to simply say 'spoiler'.
And I agree - if the League of the Scarlet Pimpernel is involved, can disguises be far behind?
>41 Carmenere: Hi Lynda - welcome back! I've only been back since mid-June myself.
>49 susanna.fraser: Bless you for this challenge! I could fit at least half of the authors in my TBR list into that challenge.
>52 PawsforThought: When I thought of it I just saw I could fit two of my library books that didn't have a challenge home yet into it. Later I realized just how MANY books would qualify...but I figure it's good to have a relatively general challenge or two in the mix!
>54 FAMeulstee: I don't think so (maybe you could use "evens" as short for even numbers?), but "eve" definitely is!
Challenge #1: Read a book with an animal named or embedded in the third word on any page
*Seeking Whom He May Devour, by Fred Vargas
Challenge #3: Read a last book in a series
Half a War, by Joe Abercrombie
Challenge #4: Read a book that is one click away from the book preceding in in the wiki list
The Black Tower, by P. D. James
Challenge #5: Read a book in which someone wears a costume, disguise, or mask
The Peace War, by Vernor Vinge
Challenge #6: Read a book where the author’s first name starts with a vowel
The Dervish House, by Ian McDonald
Challenge #7: Read a book that is listed by author's birth month as a rolling challenge
A Fatal Inversion, by Barbara Vine
Challenge #9: Read a book that has some tie to birds in the title, author name, or cover art
A God in Ruins, by Kate Atkinson
I’ll also be reading these.
The Polished Hoe, by Austin Clarke
The Execution Channel, by Ken MacLeod
Authority, by Jeff VanderMeer
Death in Sardinia, by Marco Vichi
The Reivers, by William Faulkner – Currently reading, and loving it!
I think they can all be placed in the challenges we have so far, but I like to wait a bit to spread things out as much as possible (chasing the elusive sweep).
It's a new month, I forgot.
>4 Helenliz: Congratulations on your resignation. I know how wonderful it feels.
Challenge 11: Read a book about a Founding Father or Mother of the US or any other country,someone who was important to the beginning of the country
Linda Panzo got me all excited by her post in September about Ron Chernow, so I jumped on the Alexander Hamilton bandwagon.
>55 susanna.fraser: Thanks, Susanna!
Now I can use my planned reads for your challenge :-)
Challenge #12 : Read a book set in Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark)
"Leif Erikson Day is an annual American observance occurring on October 9. It honors Leif Ericson (Old Norse: Leifr Eiríksson or the Norwegian: "Leiv Eiriksson"), the Norse explorer who brought the first Europeans known to have set foot in North America."
Hm, I'm having a little trouble this month, but this is what I'm planning so far:
Challenge #1: Read a book with an animal named or embedded in the third word on any page - started by SqueakyChu
Emma in the Night: A Novel by Wendy Walker
✔The Resurrection of Joan Ashby - Cherise Wolas (5)
To Siri with Love: A Mother, Her Autistic Son, and the Kindness of Machines by Judith Newman
What Happened -Hillary Rodham Clinton
Challenge #2: Read a work of social history involving books - started by lyzard
*✔When Books Went to War: The Stories that Helped Us Win World War II - Molly Guptill Manning (5)
Challenge #3: Read a last book in a series - started by helenliz
*✔Sleeping Murder - Agatha Christie - Citizenjoyce (3)
Challenge #4: Read a book that is one click away from the book preceeding in in the wiki list - started by PawsforThought
*✔Ice House - Minette Walters (3.25)
Challenge #5: Read a book in which someone wears a costume, disguise or mask - started by Dejah_Thoris
Unbelievable: My Front-Row Seat to the Craziest Campaign in American History by Katy Tur
Challenge #6: Read a book where the authors first name starts with a vowel - started by FAMeulstee
✔The Children Act - Ian McEwan (3.5)
Challenge #7: Read a book that is listed by Author's birth month as a Rolling Challenge - started by DeltaQueen
Ten Days in a Mad-House - Nellie Bly
Challenge #8: Read a book whose first letter of the title begins with HOCKEY - started by lindapanzo
Killing Trail: A Timber Creek K-9 Mystery - Margaret Mizushima
Challenge #9: Read a book that has some tie to birds in the title, author name or cover art - started by avatiakh
✔The Genius of Birds - Jennifer Ackerman (4.5)
Challenge #10: Read a book where the author's name contains a common noun - started by susanna.fraser
*13 Ways of Looking At A Fat Girl - Mona Awad
✔Before We Were Yours: A Novel - Lisa Wingate (4)
✔The Sinner - Petra Hammesfahr (3.5)
Ten Thousand Saints - Eleanor Henderson
Challenge #11: Read a book about a Founding Father or Mother of the US or any other country,someone who was important to the beginning of the country - started by Citizenjoyce
✔Alexander Hamilton - Ron Chernow (4)
Challenge #12 : Read a book set in Scandinavia - started by countrylife
✔*The Stonecutter - Camilla Läckberg (4)
Challenge #13: Read a book with three O's in the title or the author's name - started by paulstalder
✔*Good Dog, Carl - Alexandra Day (5)
Challenge #14: Read a book of non-fiction that could be classified in three ways - started by LizzieD
*✔Testosterone Rex: Myths of Sex, Science, and Society by Cordelia Fine (4)
>60 countrylife: Ah, it warms this cold, Norse heart of mine that you're using the correct definition of Scandinavia. I doubt I'll have a hard time finding a book for that one.
>61 Citizenjoyce: Ever since I bought my first ticket to Hamilton just over a year ago, I've been telling myself that I was going to read Ron Chernow's Hamilton but I've never even started it. Knowing that someone else is reading it perhaps will spur my effort to actually do it in October, not just talk about it.
Challenge #13: Read a book with three O's in the title or the author's name
The O-months are coming. There are only three 'o's in the twelve months of the year (in German, English, Dutch, Norsk etc.; in Italian only two months have no o). There I challenge you to read a book with three o's in the main title and or the author's name. Sub titles (like 'a novel') do not count. Spelling of the author's name: as it appears on the title page of your book (not LT author's page, not on the spine etc.). Only three o's qualify. So, a title like 'Good food' or 'More loopholes' or 'Fooling your neighbor' would not qualify ('Loving your neighbor' would :) ).
- Mord in Monte Carlo - Pierre Souvestre - paulstalder
- The warden - Anthony Trollope - paulstalder
>65 paulstalder: Is it three O's in either the title or author's name or could it be combined?
>66 PawsforThought: Must have three o's on one 'side' or both: either the title or the author, or both must have three 'o's, but no combination of title and author's name.
>67 paulstalder: Ah, I thought three O's meant three total across author name and book title. I'll find another home for my selection. If the author name or title has 3 O's, is it OK for the other to have a non-zero or non-three number of O's? For example, could I use Scars of Independence by Holger Hoock?
Challenge #14: Read a book of non-fiction that could be classified in three ways.
I just finished The Boys in the Boat, which could be classified as history or biography or sports. (I'm warbling about it; it's a great choice for this challenge.) Many contemporary biographies would qualify. I'm thinking of the Robert Caro's LBJ biographies, that are biography, social history, and politics, for example.
I'm not sure what I'll read yet; maybe I'll finally finish Black Tudors.
*Do, please, include the 3 classifications!
>69 susanna.fraser: Your example does qualify. You're right, either part (title or author) must have three o's, the other part can have 0, 1, 2 or 3 o's (but not 4 or more :) ).
>65 paulstalder: I can't find 3 months with a O in English either. October & November is as far as I get. Apropos of nothing really, just checking I can spell and count a little!
Madeline, I have a book with a half-word at the beginning of the page (i.e. a hyphenated word sitting across two pages): would that half-word count as one word for your challenge?
>77 lyzard: Your choice. You can count it or not.*
*Did you notice how lenient I am?!! ;)
Are we having a short month on challenges? Hoping (or should that be hopping, with the frogs on the TIOLI meter) all TIOLI people are not actually missing in action. Hope that the quiet is due to them all having their noses buried in good books.
I'm torn between which of two challenges to post, as I'm reading books which would fit both but at least some would also fit existing challenges. I've even identified 3 possible shared reads. These are both ones I hoped someone else might post, but not yet - one is perhaps rather repetitive because people have posted it each autumn, though I have thought of a twist!
I'm distracted by computer games and other silly stuff, and putting off several pieces of work - not paid but still important.
>80 Helenliz: I am completely burried in the book I read for your challenge, Helen :-)
My Struggle: Book Six is 1,000+ pages, and while the previous books were relatively easy reads, this one has a large chunk in the middle with thoughts and essays that need more time and concentration to read. I am through that part now and hope to finish the book tomorrow.
>80 Helenliz: We'll see as this is the last day to add challenges!
TIOLI Stats for September, 2017
For September, 2017, we read a total of 289 books, the smallest monthly total since May, 2010, the year we began our TIOLI challenges. We shared a total of 45 books (16%) for a September 2017 YTD total of 314 TIOLI points, the lowest YTD number for a September ever. :(
I'm watching our numbers closely. Because there was anxiety and expressed interest, the TIOLI challenges will continue at least through December, 2018, at which time I'll see how much interest we have to continue.
These were the most popular books, with three readers each:
1. A Gentleman in Moscow - Amor Towles
2. Longbourn - Jo Baker
3. Agnes Grey - Anne Bronte
4. The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie - Muriel Spark
5. Glass Houses - Louise Penny
The most popular challenge, with 37 books, was that of DeltaQueen to
read a book where there is at least one set of double consonants in the title.
The challenges with the most TIOLI points, 4 point each, were these:
1. Read a book about teaching - hosted by lyzard
2. Read a book where there is at least one set of double consonants in the title - hosted by DeltaQueen
I know that my reading has slowed considerably this year since I've been house hunting and now I'm in the process of moving. I still look forward to the monthly TIOLI challenges, and TIOLI is possibly the only thing that has kept my reading from dwindling down to nothing! I think my reading pace will pick up again once I get settled.
I find TIOLI less interesting than I once did for a couple of reasons. 1) Other interests demand more of my time, leaving less time for reading. 2) The challenges presented require too much looking at physical books to determine fit. The early TIOLI challenges generated more interest because they seemed fresh and new. Today's challenges seem to be "grasping at straws" to create something different.
Previously I tried to locate books matching TIOLI categories from my upcoming reads. Now I just try to match the read with a TIOLI category--a more difficult feat with fewer categories.
>85 cbl_tn: I am reading at a snail's pace this year. I think it's because I am reading more news, but in the newspaper and on my phone. I am spending less time actually reading. In addition, now that my grandson is no longer napping, I don't have these long uninterrupted stretches of time that I used to have.
>86 thornton37814: I still find the TIOLI challenges interesting. In fact, I like them better than the other challenges on LT...or I wouldn't be hosting them any more! They are...different...and are not something that I MUST do...a characteristic which often leads me NOT to do something. Hence the original NO GUILT clause built into the TIOLI challenges. :)
I like the challenge to look at a book to fit it into a challenge. That was a characteristic I built into the TIUOLI challenges from Day One. I wanted something that was CHALLENGING...although not everyone likes that. Hence others are always adding challenges that are easier to fill. No problem. Mine will tend to be harder.
I like the challenge of creating something different and don't mind the 'grasping at straws" attempts to create fresh challenges. In fact, I really do love them! Different strokes, I guess.
Previously I tried to locate books matching TIOLI categories from my upcoming reads. Now I just try to match the read with a TIOLI category--a more difficult feat with fewer categories.
I do both. If I don't have a book on a back burner, I'll look for a book in the existing challenges. If I do have something I want to read immediately, it gets read whether or not it fits a TIOLI challenge.
By the way, I'm happy with the TIOLI challenges as they currently are. If you have suggestions for what will make them better or more interesting for you, tell us. If you no longer want to do them, the NO GUILT clause applies to you. You can leave...and later return whenever your heart desires. :)
I do monitor interest in these challenges. I will probably keep them going as along as I have a core group of individuals who still find them fun. I know that I still do.
>88 SqueakyChu: I still do find TIOLI quite fun. As the end of the month approaches, I still look, often, for the following month's thread.
I also do use it both ways but I do admit that my own challenge presented typically is done with at least one particular book in mind, though this month's wasn't.
I'm also looking ahead. I just came up with a challenge for November with a particular book in mind but, when I looked further, the book didn't quite fit my criteria (I hate when that happens) so I'll either tweak the criteria a bit or look elsewhere for a book to fit it.
>88 SqueakyChu: I think the ones most problematic for me are the ones that are specific words or something which begin on page such and such. I read a lot of electronic books and advance review copies which do not have pages. These type challenges tend to limit participation to only those who are reading print. I don't care whether it is fun or a bit harder, but I don't want to spend 5 hours trying to find a book to fit a challenge. I'm just not going to do that. (It might prevent me from reading a book in my already limited time.)
>88 SqueakyChu: I love TIOLI. I've read many books that I never would have known of if not for this site. Some of the challenges do require lots of time to find a book that fits. Sometimes I'm willing to do that, sometimes not; but there's always something that piques my interest.
>88 SqueakyChu: I joined the TIOLI almost as soon as I joined LT, which was five years ago. I didn't participate much at first, and the books I read in the TIOLI challenges is definitely in the single digits. Partly because I was in a reading slump for a bit part of that time, and partly because I'd decided on what books I was going to read and couldn't seem to fit them into any of the challenges.
I've thrown myself in the TIOLI challenge in the past few months, since I got my reading mojo back, and have really enjoyed myself. I do still have a few books pre-decided and I'll try to fit them into the challenges - this month is the first time it hasn't gone too well, but that's okay. Once I've finished the books I really want to read this month I'll pick a few just to fit the challenges.
I'm not too fond of the challenges where you have to look for particular words and such in the text, but it's great fun when you unintentionally stumble upon a book that fits one of those challenges. (Having said that - I did post a challenge like that in September...)
As long as my reading mojo stays good, I'll stick with the TIOLI.
November can not come fast enough! I've got my challenge all set to go! Squeel!!
>84 SqueakyChu: I am glad you want to continue the TIOLI challenges next year, Madeline, thanks!
>90 thornton37814: That is a valid statement. I'll have to figure out how to make my own challenges more inclusive to ebook readers. Do you (or anyone else) have some suggestions? I happen to like the "find such and such on page whatever", but how can I translate that to ebooks?
>95 SqueakyChu: Probably 80-90% of my reading these days is on ebooks. If I need to, I'll use Amazon or Google books or else try to fit in a print book I own or a library book but it is tougher to do. I usually wait and let other people find books for those kinds of challenges.
I have thought about it and can't think of any way to make it easier.
As far as ebooks go, it's the page number thing that rules them out; if you nominate a chapter instead, or just "within the text", it still works. (And works better than paper books, because they're easier to search.)
I don't think we're seeing a drop off in TIOLI per se: my observation is that recently it has been much quieter across LT, and that for various reasons people are reading less, or have less reading time.
I still adore TIOLI and find it a huge help in selecting books. I think on the whole we get a good mix of broad and narrow challenges. The narrow ones are fun if frustrating---I love that feeling of "YES!!" when you unexpectedly realise that you're reading something that fits. :D
>97 lyzard: I agree, the 75 group is much quieter these days compared to a couple of years ago.
I like doing TIOLI but also don't have the patience to check through a book's text before I read it, I'll flick through a couple of books and then give up. E-books are difficult as it depends on the app you're reading them on, the font setting etc etc.
Some months I list more books than I know I can read just to see if any become shared reads.
>88 SqueakyChu: I adore TIOLI. Before TIOLI, I obsessively, compulsively plodded my way through a TBR list I've maintained for decades, alphabetically reading what was available at my local library. I was up to the Cs, and adding a bit of spice to my life by selecting two authors at the beginning of the year that had more than 5 entries in TBR to concentrate on as well, when you found me and I joined TIOLI. Since then, I have been obsessively, compulsively...uh,...flitting...my way through that TBR list. I may have read one book in all that time that was not slotted in a TIOLI challenge.
Last year I joined some other LT challenges. This has made things more complicated as I now first select books on TBR that fit other LT challenges AND that are available from the library, more than I am likely to read, and then read from this list anything I can fit in a TIOLI challenge. Shared reads and books I've been looking forward to go to the top of the pile.
I read ebooks as well. I've had some model or another since the first Sony Reader came out, and we have a nice collection of classics and old scifi we've built up over time, and the still-unread ones now live on my Kindle. If I'm waiting on something from the library, I'll find one of these that match a TIOLI challenge and read that until the next physical books come in. I don't bother trying to look at a physical copy, or Amazon, to fit a book to a challenge related to a specific page number.
TIOLI is an unexpected pleasure in my life. Thank you.
>97 lyzard: I like your idea about within a chapter or within a text. I'll see if I can do one of those some day!
Please vote so I have an idea what type of books we're reading as a group. Thanks!
Yes = mostly ebooks
Vote: My books for TIOLI are usually ebooks.
Current tally: Yes 3, No 10, Undecided 13
Undecided = about half and half
No = mostly paper books
I will take your answers into consideration as I go forward with my own TIOLI challenge, at least.
>102 SqueakyChu: I'm more complicated than that. I use a Kindle and some purchased ebooks in that format do have page numbers. Netgalleys and mobi format books which can be read on my Kindle don't have page numbers - the mobi books include egalleys from Poolbeg through the LTER programme and ebooks from Verso published in their extraordinary sales never do. Some purchases from Amazon do and some don't - and it's hard to predict. I even have a couple of books which don't show page numbers at all on my Kindle ereader (with eink) but do on my tablet (also Amazon Kindle branded). I usually have a Kindle book with page numbers and one without on the go.
My reading is about half audiobook, and a quarter each ebook and paper book. For fitting into page-specific challenges, I use the Amazon look-inside or the google books feature to see if one of my planned audio or ebook reads fits the challenge. Sometimes, when my time is more limited, I'll skip that step and just plop it into an easier challenge. For the most part, I haven't found it a problem to fit ebooks into challenges.
I enjoy the mix of narrow and broad challenges. And I, too, adore TIOLI!
>103 elkiedee: I've never seen a Kindle book with page numbers in my 7-8 years of Kindle buying. Do I have to enable something?
I checked about a dozen purchased books, my library book on Kindle, and all 3 Net Galley books I currently have.
>102 SqueakyChu: I'm really surprised at the number of audio books and e-books used in our TIOLI challenges. I really shouldn't be, though. I used to listen to many audio books and even spent some time with ebooks. Now I'm back to 100% paper books. Others are not. I'm glad this issue came up because I'll now try to figure out other ways to be more inclusive to all sorts of books and their readers. Thanks for your responses.
I actually had one Early Reviewer book that was sent to me as just an unbound and not numbered compilation of pages. It was a gorgeous kids' book. I used some pages for making bookmarks, and the rest of the pages my daughter put under glass in her living room coffee table. I did not use that book for any TIOLI challenges. At least, I don't think I did! :D
My reading is almost half-and-half because I almost always purchase ebooks, but I find the process of borrowing library ebooks unwieldy and annoying, plus I've heard from librarians that many publishers only license library ebooks for a limited number of uses (say, 25 check-outs), so I feel like I'm doing my part for my library's budget by checking out paper. I'm honestly equally happy to read either format. (Except when traveling--ebooks are far better then because I don't have to try to guess in advance how much reading time I'll have or what I'll be in the mood for.)
I'm also not crazy about the challenges where I have to go digging through a book for a certain word on a certain page, mostly because I don't want to get spoiled for plot developments as I'm paging through seeing if it'll meet the challenge. Which is weird, because when it comes to TV and movies I'm so far from spoiler-averse that I actively seek them out--I like being on the West Coast and seeing spoilers on Twitter 3 hours before a show airs, because if one of my favorite characters is going to be killed or something, I don't have to watch. But books are different.
I like it all, and I especially like the no guilt clause. I used to read to fit a challenge, but since I'm reading less (but maybe enjoying it more because of heightened selectivity?), I tend to fit what I'm reading into a challenge or not. I enjoy the specific page challenges because it's such a large charge when I come across something that fits when I'm reading as I just did with Company of Liars and Challenge 1. I also read often on my Kindle....wonder whether we could use Location # as well as Page #?
> 108 I love the page number challenges. How can I incorporate location numbers into those? It's been so long since I read an ebook that I forget exactly how that worked.
I love the TIOLI Challenges, in fact I am just a tiny bit obessed with them! My favorite time of the month is when I am pawing through my books and Kindles, either trying to fit my planned reading in to a challenge or looking for books to fit a particular challenge. The challenges that have me searching for a specific word or item are fun to tackle, but I too, do a lot of e-reading and audio books and that does make it more difficult so the idea of using Chapter numbers would be good. I tend to use Google books to see if a book will fit the criteria. I like the mix of some difficult and some easy challenges. I hate it when I have a planned read and I can't fit it into a challenge, in fact, I often set books aside in favor of books that will fit. I participate in a number of other challenges around LT but these are, by far, my favorite.
>110 DeltaQueen50: I participate in a number of other challenges around LT but these are, by far, my favorite.
Awww! Sweet! Thank you.
>105 lindapanzo: Linda, since no one seems to have directly answered your question re: page numbers, I'll give it a try.
I have an older Kindle Paperwhite. The very lower left corner of the screen, when tapped, cycles through several options. It can be blank, show location #, page number, minutes left in chapter and minutes left in book. I've found most e-books I've acquired that were brought out by a major publishing house have page numbers. On the other hand, I don't think any book transcribed by Project Gutenberg that I've seen has them. Some works published only in an e-format also forgo page numbers, although that seems to be becoming more rare.
I hope this helps!
Madeline, I truly enjoy the TIOLI Challenges. It is sometimes difficult to figure out if something will happen in a book before reading it, but I love the surprise, as Liz mentioned in an earlier post, of finding out that a book fits! I've been lucky the last few months; my almost finished reread of the Meg Langslow mystery series by Donna Andrews has really helped me out with clothes washing, multi-course meals, etc. I often wait for others to figure out books for these difficult challenges, and then go for the shared read.
>109 SqueakyChu: I think you could use the location numbers much as we use page numbers now - find a country name on a 'page' with a location number with a three, for example. There are more location numbers than pages - I just pulled up a book with 332 pages which has 4175 'locations.'
Just FYI, the options on my Kindle don't include a page number, just location, time in chapter and time in book.
However, you could word a challenge something like "on a page or in a location that includes a 3" - so that, for example, page 43 or location 2139 would both qualify - which would open it up to both sorts of readers.
>113 lyzard: I wondered if some Kindles didn't offer pagination, which is why I specified that I have a Paperwhite. There are so many different Kindles available now - and for that matter, so many versions of the Paperwhite - that I suppose there are few things consistent across the board.
When I finally need a new Kindle, I hope I won't need a manual to figure out the differences!
>114 Dejah_Thoris: Page numbers are the thing I missed most after upgrading to a Kindle Fire a few years ago.
Thanks Dejah. I've got a Kindle Fire and don't recall seeing this. I know that my first (old) Kindle had that feature.
My Kindle Fire shows page numbers on at least two books when my Kindle Paperwhite doesn't
Sunset Song by Lewis Grassic Gibbon
Binocular Vision by Edith Pearlman
Editions from major publishers in the UK: some do and some don't. Sometimes this changes - I can't remember specific examples but have found that I looked at books which I remembered as not having page numbers and they did now have them.
>117 SqueakyChu: I think they may change, but generally I read a book with no page numbers at the font size which is most comfortable - this occasionally varies. So I mostly read at setting 4 (1 is the smallest) but I have found books which I have to read at setting 2 or 3 because 4 is HUGE and it's not comfortable otherwise. So refer to location numbers and assume that people are reading at their ideal font size. If someone is not, and is somehow "cheating" and breaking the TIOLI rules, that really isn't my problem and I really shouldn't care, it's just rather sad. It's not like they're politicians and rigging elections in a way which is going to affect my neighbourhood, my city, my country.... (and that is not a reference to the national politics of ANY country!)
I listen to audio books, usually 1 or 2 a month. Those don't have page numbers and I will only list an audio book in a page number challenge if someone else has listed it. That's not usually limiting, and as I'm a long way off a sweep, it's not as if I need to fit every book into a different challenge.
I use TIOLI for 2 things
1) to help me pick books off the tbr pile. A title or author that fits a challenge finds itself floating towards the top of the pile.
2) to find yet more interesting titles. A couple of months ago I posted a challenge to read a book someone else had listed in TIOLI, as that seems to be how I use it. This month one of my books is one that was listed a few months ago, the book caught my eye and so I ordered it from the library.
I find I rarely manage a shared read, which is partly due to how few books I read and partly due to the speed I'm able to get books from the library. If I have it on the shelf, I'll be able to join in, but books rarely arrive in time otherwise.
This is the area of LT that I the most active, if that counts for anything.
Such interesting insights as to how people use TIOLI and how they choose their books!
So here's our TIOLI Question of the Month:
How and why did you choose to read your current read (meaning the very last book you picked up or just finished)? Were you able to fit it into a TIOLI challenge and how?
>121 SqueakyChu: My book is Forest Dark by Nicole Krauss. It had a good review in The Washington Post although I only skimmed the review in order to avoid spoilers. Then I put it in my own challenge which I had originally set up to cover another book. This was the only challenge in which my current read qualified although I did have to search hard for those "three words"! :)
I am reading We That Are Young by Preti Taneja. I picked it up from the signed books section of the pop up bookshop at the Edinburgh book festival. I started reading it last month because I discovered it was a retelling of King Lear and so it fit into the Shakespeare retelling challenge. I'm glad this challenge made me pick it up as I am really enjoying it. I didn't finish it last month but managed to find a three-word page opening that fit.
I just finished In Patagonia by Bruce Chatwin. I reserved it at the library late last month, and was happy to find a challenge to put it in.
I just finished The Hate U Give, a really wonderful YA novel that I had read a glowing review on a friend's thread. I was able to fit it into a challenge. I work the hardest on fitting one into Madeleine's challenge, but I don't always make it.
Lately I've been fitting my books into challenges, rather than finding a book for a challenge. There are several reasons for this, including never being sure when a library request will show up and also taking part in other challenges.
>121 SqueakyChu: I just finished The Execution Channel by Ken MacLeod. The book made it on to my TBR list in 2008 after being short-listed for the British SciFi Award, Arthur C. Clarke Award, Prometheus Award, and John W. Campbell Award. When I searched LT for possibilities from TBR for this month's SFFF KIT near-future challenge, this book fit the challenge and was available from my local library. I was happy to use it in Madeline's challenge this month to reclaim the word 'mozzies' for mosquitoes everywhere because in the book the word is used as a bigoted slur.
>127 jeanned: I'd never heard of "mozzies" before so I did look it up before accepting it into my challenge! :D
>128 SqueakyChu: I wondered if I would send you looking, because it is mostly an Australian, New Zealand term. Hehe.
>121 SqueakyChu: In July Susanna Fraser mentioned wanting to find a place to list The Genius of Birds, and I've listed it every month since. Finally, I've got around to reading it, and it's just as good as I thought it would be. I love my backyard birds even though in my area they're mostly brown or black. However, this is the time of year when I'm swarmed by red-winged blackbirds which makes me very happy. I was also delighted to learn that grackles are just below crows in intelligence. There are no crows in my area, but, except when the red-winged blackbirds are here, I always have grackles visiting my yard. They don't care about my many bird feeders, but they're quite fond of the birds who do.
I'm reading The Darker Saints by Brian Hodge, a horror story about voodooism in Louisiana, which is one of my 'potential decommission' books, i.e. a pile of books I'm reading / rereading to decide whether I'm keeping or donating them. The bad guy is nicknamed 'Eel', and is, fortunately, mentioned in the third word of various pages. :D
>130 Citizenjoyce: I'm glad you're enjoying it! Crows are everywhere in Seattle, to the point I miss them when I travel elsewhere. I haven't yet had the time to do it, but I'm tempted to put out food for them and see if I can acquire some crow friends.
>121 SqueakyChu: I'm currently reading American Maelstrom by Michael A. Cohen. I follow the author on Twitter, and the book's topic, the 1968 presidential election, is something I know very little about, but I keep hearing how consequential it is for modern politics. I've got it LizzieD's Challenge #14, though if she were to decide my three categories (politics, American history, 1960's) are too much alike, I could move it to my challenge for the common noun "hen" in the author's name.
>130 Citizenjoyce: Now I want to read that book! I have a good friend who wants a crow for a friend. I should read your book and pass that book along to her...or pass a crow along to her! :)
>133 SqueakyChu: Bad news, good news if global warming continues corvids (crows) may constitute more than 50% of birds. I do like crows and wish they lived here, but how sad to think of all the birds we will lose.
>132 susanna.fraser: I'm sure you could acquire some crow friends if you put out food. I'm such a wuss I'd worry that I'd insult them somehow - I do have 4 dogs after all - and they'd mob me and screech at me for the rest of my life.
I always like reading about food in a Scandi mystery, but in The Stonecutter the main character is sitting down to eat a late dinner dipping his cheese and caviar sandwich into his hot chocolate. Sorry if I stimulated anyone’s nausea reception center, but I had to share.
>121 SqueakyChu: The last book I finished was Death Comes as the End. This fitted into challenge 6, author's first name starts with a vowel.
I found this title when it was listed by Lyzard listed in in her challenge to read a book with "death" in the title. The title intrigued me, so I placed a reservation at the library. I had a bit of a reservation backlog (I still do) meaning that it was this month before I could get round to reading it. Initially I listed it in Madeline's challenge, but I decided to move it when I found an alternative book for that challenge and so freed this one up to move to challenge 6. I try and spread my titles out to one per challenge, where I can.
>135 Citizenjoyce: Sounds yummy to me! That's perfectly normal in my world. Caviar in Sweden generally means something slightly different than the fancy caviar you'd eat with blinis or on egg halves - it's eggs from cod that is sold in a tube (taste pretty salty) and is common on sandwiches or with boiled eggs.
Also, it was most likely a crisp bread sandwich - that's more common with cheese and caviar topping (or just caviar).
>135 Citizenjoyce: That sounds very tasty until you get to the hot chocolate part.
I just finished a book called A Curve of Time by M. Wylie Blanchet. This is a non-fiction memoir about a youngish widow, who, along with her children, spent their summers on a 25 foot boat exploring the coastal waters between Vancouver Island and the mainland of B.C. I totally fell in love with this book which I picked up to fit a Regional Reading Challenge over at the Category Challenges. As I had planned to read this book well in advance, it was one of the books I used for my TIOLI challenge this month that lists books by author's birth months.
I think some Kindle books are formatted with page numbers and others with stops. Some of the Kindle readers are formatted to recognize the stops only. I see them both ways, but my ebooks come not only from Kindle, but also from NetGalley (where the ARCs may be any number of formats and protected PDFs may lack pagination and even the images), the library (where it's usually downloaded to the Overdrive app) although one of the libraries to which I belong also has another ebook collection. Our academic library has several ebook collections. While I don't usually read those, I have read those on occasion. One such collection has strange formatting for which pagination might not correspond to regular pagination.
To those of you who generally read lots of ebooks...do you change font size, or do you keep the same font size for different ebooks?
I've learned now not to base my challenges on page numbers, but rather on chapter numbers. However, if I would like to do a page challenge, could I take a phrase from, let's say, line two of any page, or would the line containing that phrase change because you're changing font size?
>141 SqueakyChu: yes the line changes according to font size. You could say the second sentence in the 4th chapter, or for the readers that display page numbers, you could say the second sentence on page 44, but the second line on page 44 would vary according to font size.
>142 Citizenjoyce: You could say the second sentence in the 4th chapter
That would work! Thanks! I'm going to have to test this out...VERY soon. Ha!
>143 SqueakyChu: Oh no, did I just help formulate a convoluted challenge?
The font is similar in most ebooks I read, and I would only change it if for some reason one book at that size is unreadably small or large. I think you should assume that people will read at font size that's comfortable to them. I mean, I can change the font as well but generally I don't. If someone reads a large print dead tree book the page nos will be different from those in a different paper edition. Surely the point about TIOLI is that it shouldn't matter!
TIOLI Awards for September, 2017
The Better Late Than Never Award goes to klobrien2 for reading Ancient Israel: The Former Prophets: Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings: A Translation with Commentary for DeltaQueen's challenge to read a book where there is at least one set of double consonants in the title. This challenger's book title was composed of 14 words - of which the very last word was the one with double consonants!
The Divine Meal Award goes to Citizenjoyce for reading The Calamity Café for PawsforThought's challenge to read a book where a 3+ course meal is served. This challenger gets the award because the meal in that book is one I'd be most likely to order if all of the meals in that challenge were offered to me on a menu. This challenger's meal consisted of potato salad, roasted portobellos, beef and vegetable kebabs, fried chicken, biscuits, garlic herb twists, 3 bean salad, mocha cake, and caramel apple pie.
The I'd Have Never Thought of That Award goes to PawsforThought for the challenge to read a book where a 3+ course meal is served. I'd have not thought to present such a challenge ever. Very unique...and very challenging. kudos to all of the challengers who found such a book to read!
The Sneaky Color Award goes to no one (Haha!) for FAMeulstee's challenge to read a book with (a rainbow color) in the title in rolling order: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. Indigo is a color that no one actually knows what it looks like, only that it's somewhere between blue and violet. Then there's the problem of finding a book with the word "indigo" in the title. Then there's the problem of wanting to read it. Then there's the problem of finishing the book with the word "indigo" in the title. Now you know why no one won that award! :)
The Earworm Award goes to susanna.fraser for reading Hallelujah Anyway for JeanneD's challenge to read a book whose title contains a song title. The award goes to this challenger because the song title "Hallelujah" started me humming a song by that title, although the one I started humming was an Israeli song and not the one by Leonard Cohen.
Congrats to our award winners! Feel free at this time to submit awards of your own.
>146 SqueakyChu: I always enjoy reading the awards.
The Divine Meal Award is making me hungry.
As for Sneaky Colors, I started my Indigo book but quickly remembered how, even though I like the author, I love her other series and had put the series with the Indigo book aside years ago.
>146 SqueakyChu: Thank you for the award! I'd have never thought of that challenge either if it hadn't been for P.G. Wodehouse and the Jeeves & Wooster novels - which are always full of interesting foods.
Every year, I teach ROYGBIV in physics class. Inevitably, someone asks what indigo it. In Canada, we have our Indigo bookstore, so I tell them to drive by the Indigo store and look at the sign. Which, of course, is indigo coloured.
>146 SqueakyChu: Thank you for the Better Late Than Never Award! That book - Ancient Israel: The Former Prophets: Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings: A Translation with Commentary - has such a long, complex title (three! subtitles). I was just thrilled to be able to fit it into the "double consonants" challenge.
>146 SqueakyChu: A little Leonard Cohen earworm:
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