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Goblet of Fire chapters 9-12 discussion

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1foggidawn
Jan 21, 2008, 10:43am Top

All right, here we go with the next four chapters (in which they finally get to Hogwarts)!

  • 9: The Dark Mark
  • 10:Mayhem at the Ministry
  • 11: Aboard the Hogwarts Express
  • 12: The Triwizard Tournament


  • Discuss! Discuss!

    2littlegeek
    Jan 21, 2008, 12:24pm Top

    Fav moment: "a leprechaun, a hag and a troll go into a bar..." hahaha I love Dumbledore!

    3foggidawn
    Jan 21, 2008, 12:44pm Top

    #2 -- one of my notes was "I want to hear that joke!"

    Okay, here are the rest of my notes (and, if you're reading HP for the first time, there will be spoilers for this book and the rest of the series):

    Chapter 9: I never quite bought why the Death Eaters panicked at the sight of the Dark Mark. I understand the reasons stated in the text, but it still doesn't make complete sense to me. After all, these same people (apart from Kakaroff, the wimp) did come back when summoned, later in the book. I mean, if I were a former member of an evil gang, out reminiscing on the bad old days and having some fun, and someone put the gang symbol up in the sky, I would assume it was one of us that did it -- not that it was some sort of threat!

    Chapter 10: Fred makes a crack about dying, in typical Fred fashion, but knowing how DH turns out, it really catches your attention! Do you think JKR was planning on killing off Fred at this point?

    Chapter 11: Percy is being pompous about having to go into the ministry, saying that Mr. Crouch really relies on him, and one of the twins deadpans, "Yeah, I reckon he'll know your name soon." That always gets a chuckle from me! Also, on the train, they overhear Malfoy talking about how he wishes he could have gone to Durmstrang. In my opinion, it would have been a great thing for Malfoy -- I don't think the Durmstrang guys would have let Draco be such a bully.

    Chapter 12: Moody sure knows how to make an entrance -- or, at least, Impostor Moody does. I don't know about you guys, but I always liked the fake version of Moody better than the real Moody we meet in later books. I think I'm picking up on Harry's reactions to him, but it's still interesting to note.

    4pollysmith
    Jan 21, 2008, 3:37pm Top

    I think the death eaters panicked because they were doing something totally on their own and seeing the dark mark unexpectedly spooked them

    5littlegeek
    Jan 21, 2008, 8:19pm Top

    I agree with polly. They would have been the ones that didn't get bunged into Azkaban, so Voldy might see them as disloyal. If there was a sudden indication that he or one of his more loyal minions was back, I'd be poopin my pants if I were them.

    Fake Moody rocks--esp. how he does Draco. (oops, I'm getting ahead of myself).

    6foggidawn
    Jan 21, 2008, 8:36pm Top

    Okay, so the moral of the story is that this chapter makes sense to everyone but me. All right, then! :-)

    7MellieT
    Jan 21, 2008, 10:16pm Top

    Wel when you think about the death eater thing there are a few points. Yeah they are the ones that did not get sent to azkaban... but they were also using their old death eater masks and robes to perform magic and using peoples continued fear of voldy to their advantage... there for when they saw the sign they probably figured that they had been caught using all of His props from their own personal; gain and enjoyment...

    8foggidawn
    Jan 22, 2008, 12:07am Top

    Good point, that they were using Death Eater props for their own enjoyment (not sure about "gain," what were they getting out of it other than a few cheap thrills?) -- and with emotions running high, I guess I can see how any reaction (surprise/fear at seeing the Dark Mark, for instance) would be amplified.

    9pollysmith
    Jan 22, 2008, 10:09am Top

    i also wonder why draco would "show his colors " so plainly, enjoying the panic....his fathere cautioned hin several times in the series to not show animosity toward Harry. Methinks Draco disobeyed his daddy many times

    10littlegeek
    Jan 22, 2008, 11:36am Top

    Seems like something Draco would do, tho, no?

    11MrsGrinch
    Jan 22, 2008, 11:50am Top

    >9 pollysmith: Draco has never been one to listen to authority (not counting Voldy)

    12Marensr
    Jan 22, 2008, 12:10pm Top

    I also wonder how many death eaters were done in for disloyalty or failure. I would imagine they had seen the mark for deatheater friends who were killed as well.

    13gpwts
    Jan 22, 2008, 12:49pm Top

    *nods head at all the notes and then sniffles not only cuz she's sick, but because of the comment in 3 about Fred*

    14foggidawn
    Jan 25, 2008, 7:09pm Top

    It's that time again! Don't forget to read Chapters 13-16 for Monday!

    15biblioholic29
    Edited: May 6, 2008, 8:32am Top

    So, okay, after the whole Dark Mark incident Mr. Weasley says they need to sleep and catch and early portkey in the morning so Mrs. Weasley won't worry about them. Why doesn't he just have Bill or Charlie or even Percy apparate home and tell her what's going on so she doesn't worry? Wouldn't that make more sense?

    ETA: Sorry, guess what I'm listening to now!

    16compskibook
    May 6, 2008, 2:42pm Top

    Good point, Bib. For that matter, why to wizards bother camping out. Why not just apparate the day of the event? They said some people had been there for weeks. I guess it is the spirit of the thing and if it runs long.

    17biblioholic29
    May 6, 2008, 3:00pm Top

    I actually thought about that too, I came up with this; the underage wizards can't apparate and I would expect that the camping is a lot of fun, until Death Eaters start showing up. Also, I bet some of those people had been there since the beginning, remember we just got to go to the Finals, there were lots of other games leading up to them. It's mostly the stupidity of letting Molly worry.

    18foggidawn
    Edited: May 6, 2008, 3:14pm Top

    #15 -- The only reason I can think of is that it apparently takes energy and concentration to apparate -- perhaps Mr Weasley thought they were all too exhausted? But I can't buy that, as we've seen characters in much more stressful situations than that apparate. Or perhaps he wanted them close by in case of more mischief? But then I would say that he should have sent one of them, and told them to come back. Or perhaps he just wasn't thinking clearly. Basically, what I'm saying here is that you have a good point, Bib.

    19MellieT
    May 6, 2008, 8:25pm Top

    Bib you do have a good point...

    As for why they did all just apprepatate the day of the event...

    It was explained in the book that they could not all show up on the day of because they could not risk muggles seeing so many of them. It would cause suspicion or something if millions of witches and wizards were seen arriving in one spot all at the same time...

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