Journey to the Center of the Earth - A New Illustrator-Signed DLE
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I'm very surprised! I wish there was more information on the website. It looks like there are additional black and white illustrations? Translated by Frederic Amadeus Malleson. Has anyone read this translation? Very happy that this signed by the illustrator series is continuing. Verne is perfect for the series. The illustrations remind me of the Treasure Island Folio Society edition, which I really love.
Thanks for noticing the name of the translator in one of the illustrations. This from Wikipedia:
“The 1877 translation by Ward, Lock, & Co., Ltd., translated by Frederick Amadeus Malleson, is more faithful, though it too has some slight rewrites (according to the redactor at its Project Gutenberg page, where its title is translated as Journey to the Interior of the Earth).
“The 1877 translation by Ward Lock & Co Ltd., translated by Frederick Amadeus Malleson was adapted by AD Classic Books' 2008 edition of Journey to the Center of the Earth. In this edit by A.R. Roumanis, antiquated writing and out of date sayings were replaced which makes this the most modernized version available.”
I can’t tell from EP’s web page whether the DLE uses the original or the updated version, but previous illustrator-signed DLEs have used modern translations.
>4 jroger1: Thanks so much for that information! That's a huge selling point for me.
Can anyone explain in detail the difference between Deluxe Illustrated vs. Deluxe?
EP uses the phrase “Deluxe Illustrated Edition” to denote DLEs that incorporate newly commissioned artwork and which are signed by the illustrator on the colophon page. With only a few exceptions they are limited to 1,200 copies (Tarzan was 800), are 9x11 in size (Dracula was 8x10), and have a slipcase illustrated by one of the book’s illustrations. They also contain type that has been reset instead of photocopied from earlier editions. In this forum we have been referring to these editions as “illustrator-signed DLEs.”
>4 jroger1: I was able to verify that this DLE is the original 1877 translation by Frederick Amadeus Malleson, not the edited version of his translation by A.R. Roumanis in the AD Classic 2008 edition. If you are willing to take my word for it, no need to read on.
I was able to see a sample of the AD Classic edition here at Amazon:
And the original 1877 translation here:
Referencing the 4th photo of the book on Easton Press's website with some of the text shown, I compared these two passages near the end of Chapter 5.
From the 2008 AD Classic edited version:
“Descend, bold traveller, into the crater of the jokul of Sneffels, which the shadow of Scartaris touches before the kalends of July, and you will attain the center of the earth; which I have done, Arne Saknussemm.”
In reading this, my uncle gave a spring as if he had touched a Leyden jar.
“What hour is it?” he asked after a few moments of silence.
From the 1877 original version:
“Descend, bold traveller, into the crater of the jokul of Sneffels, which the shadow of Scartaris touches before the kalends of July, and you will attain the centre of the earth; which I have done, Arne Saknussemm.”
In reading this, my uncle gave a spring as if he had touched a Leyden jar.
“What o’clock is it?” he asked after a few moments of silence.
The difference in the first passage is "center" in the 2008 edited version and "centre" in the original 1877 version.
The difference in the second passage is "hour" in the edited version and "o'clock" in the 1877 version.
This Easton Press edition has the "o'clock" and "centre" as in the original 1877 version as seen in photo 4 on the website.
I know this is probably way more information than most people would want to know. But I'm sure someone out there cares enough to know how I was able to verify the exact translation.
I'm happy to hear that the Frederick Amadeus Malleson translation was faithful to Verne. For me, I don't mind the out of date sayings.
The changes seem quite minor, and the Malleson translation seems to be the best available. The Wikipedia article describes two earlier ones, but not as favorably.
>9 jroger1: Exactly. I think Easton Press made a good decision here.
I suspect this is simply a copyright decision: 2008 versus 1877...
>11 astropi: “that central illustration beneath the title looks bleh to me.”
Maybe that’s what the center of the earth really looks like. Looks like a photo to me.
I agree about the cover. I tend to be more conservative. The cover tends to gauche for my tastes.
I second (or third ... whichever we are up to at this point) the cover thoughts.
But still interested ... for my purposes my DLE's remain in their slip cover until I pull them out to read or show someone ... and the cover isn't looked at for long before I/we dive into the contents. So the cover probably won't be looked at often.
That being said ... as an artist/designer myself (and I'm not saying that in a holier then thou kind of way) ... I always find it hard to understand when design decisions are made in such a bizarre way ... when something is 95% well designed but there is just one thing that just seems so inconsistent or out of whack from the rest of the design. It tends to feel like a "lazy" design decision.
This cover feels a bit that way.
I'm ok with a design decision not being quite what I would've gone with ... I'm cool with everyone having different visions ... but when a single piece of art of a product (like a book) has some glaring feature that stands out as something completely opposite to the rest of that work ... it's just strange.
And my rant is over.
Can't wait to pick this one up (and hide the cover)
I'm not to concerned about the cover just yet. It is only a mock-up, chances are it will look different in person.
>17 Wootle: ... a mock-up?
Every DL I've bought from them seems to be exactly what was seen in the image on their website. Is this not always true?
The first two photos are not real, just photo-shopped images. The eight after are real. They didn't show a cover shot of the real book yet. I'm sure it will be that design, but the colors can be off.
The top three lines of text on the cover are pretty blurry as well. We shall see how it looks on the final product.
Who's going first?
This is a lovely book. Though I wish I had been introduced to the profusely illustrated Victorian DLE Editions in clam shell. Thanks to the raves of >2 fancythings: I was convinced to get one (Strogoff)....I wish they simply reissued all of them....I would get them all...every single one today!
For those who cannot afford $350 you can get the excellent oversized Famous Edition version at a much lower cost on eBay or Abe’s.
The cover in >11 astropi: looks familiar to me, as if it were an old illustration (of the professor and his nephew looking down the fissure at the start of the adventure, froma vantage point down the tunnel looking up) filtered to a two-color image so it could be gold-plated to the cover.
The front cover is familiar to me as well. I think it represents the passage to the center of the earth. I have seen this illustrated in other editions. I think it's very appropriate, and I really like how Easton is getting more creative with their gilt designs. The design matches the artist's style, so maybe he designed the cover too. To me, it's a very unique gilt stamping design. I really love it. But we'll see how it looks in real life. I'll post photos when I receive it.
>21 thisGuy33: the copies on eBay for sale are sealed. You can barely see some of the illustrations on the brochure scanned by >19 Wootle: . I think if you went back in the Internet Archives for Easton Press you can see some of the 52 images. Perhaps >19 Wootle: would update his DLE encyclopedia with a link.
>25 Wootle: no journey on this archive. But what a beautiful library. I lament passing on a complete 20 volume Jules Verne library circa 1895 in powder blue leather reproducing all of these works in a matching set for $300. I was a poor graduate student and reluctantly passed on this set in a used book store in 1972. In 2018 terms this was a $1,800 set. I should have begged borrowed and stole to get this set. Sigh!
26: well, not stealed at any rate ;)
we all regret being poor during our graduate studies... but the journey was fabulous and worth every cent!
>8 NotDownInAnyMap: Thank you for that research. I am currently reading the Heritage Press edition of Journey. I didn't realize how bad the translation was until reading that wiki page. My first clue came when I noticed the main characters names had been changed. Doh. Never a good sign. Since I am 75% of the way through it, I'll finish it, but am looking forward to reading this DLE, as it seems to be the best English translation available. Although I found the Oxford edition from that wiki article, and it seems to be a pretty good job as well. It is here: Journey as a PDF download. I may go back and read it after this abridged version is finished.
For you Verne fans, how does this rank among his works? In other words, what are the Best of Verne, and do we have a list of "the best" translations into English?
I enjoyed the story but have no idea what translation I read. I would read it again if someone told me that the version I read was one of the worst and that a far, far better version existed. I haven't gotten through enough of his works to know where this ranks but others always include this one in their top 5.
What a start to a long holiday weekend ... didn't expect this deliver till next Tuesday ... but was pleasantly surprised to say the least!
I'll post more pics as soon as I can (maybe this weekend).
I'm posting a pick of my oversized book shelf so you can get an idea of comparative thickness.
Initial thoughts ... Journey is much thicker then I thought. As you can see from my shelf with my oversized books on it ... it is thicker then all (except the Rackham peter pan and IDYLLS OF THE KING ... which is just a huge book).
The Journey book is only slightly thicker then each volume of the Ring Cycle volumes.
>11 astropi: As for the "in person impression" ... it is quite nice! There is absolutely nothing I regret about this (and I too was a little "ehhh" about the cover. But in person ... I really like it.
I only did a quick scanned of the book so far and ... it is really well done. The text is large ... covers most of the page with approx 1 and 1/2 inch borders on either side.
One interesting thing ... there are only 9 tipped in images ... and strangely enough one of the images is about 85% completely black with only the very lower left corner having an image. I get this is artistic choice and probably is representative of something specific in the story ... but I would think if there are only 9 images ... maybe they would've chosen a different image to create instead of 85% black plate.
Alright ... that's enough of my rant ... just thought I'd share initial thoughts and excitement.
***Two volume Ring Cycle is the 4th and 5th book from right ... Journey is 11th book from right ... POE DLE is to the right of that.
... oh and ... I'll post something about Ring Cycle later ... It is AMAZING (but then I am biased when it comes to Rackham stuff) !!!
Books, an Xbox, and a Batman-thingamehjob... The best of all possible worlds? ;)
Glad you like the book! Impressive haul...
Looking forward to more pics. I'll be getting this as well, but it might be a while.
>30 astropi: I would like a lot of input from others about the best version of each title as well. Maybe we can add that information to the Verne thread I started with all the EP titles. I would like to read through the entire Voyages Extraordinaires series, but not with poorly translated versions. This Journey edition should be a good translation according to the previous research done by >8 NotDownInAnyMap:.
>33 astropi: ... don't judge me ... lol
yeah ... it's one of my happy corners. I prefer the playstation vr more lately ... between these wonderful books and VR ... I try to escape reality as often as possible.
>34 Wootle: ... Hope you get yours soon ... just scanned the entire book for any "flaws" (found none thankfully) ... and it looks to be a really fun read!
>32 thisGuy33: Do you mind posting a picture of the "black" image? Now I am curious.
Also, for your copy of Idylls of the King, are your slip case and leather both purple? The slip case on mine is very blue and the color contrast is quite odd.
>36 hamletscamaro: So the first image is what 8 of the 9 illustrations are like ... lush, full of depth and very beautiful (in my opinion). The second image is the one image that seems like a wasted opportunity. I mean ... maybe if there were 9 images and this was an extra 10th image.
But then again ... if that were the case I'm sure I'd be saying ... "well, if there there were 10 and this was a added 11th"
I just think with so few illustrations ... it feels less satisfying to have one be so void of ...
... oh well, maybe others will find that void beautiful as an artistic choice.
I think it's been widely debated and discussed here and on other forums ... how if paying so much for commissioned illustrations ... and there are only 9 or 10 of them ... it can be a little disappointing. When back in the day ... Rackham would do 64 illustrations or Doré would do 75 to 100. So to have one of the 9 total illustrations be underwhelming ...
Again, just a thought ... and a single opinion from an old over opinionated person.
>36 hamletscamaro: as for Idylls of the King ... mine has a slight contrast in color ... the leather cover being a bit deeper purple.
But it's not a bold contrast so I assume it's more a difference in materials ... the slipcase being more cloth and the book being leather (the dye used absorbs into the material differently maybe?).
>37 thisGuy33: Well, I think this book is completely unreadable! I mean, the text is horribly faded on over half the page!
Yes, I know that is the protective parchment. :)
So on the black image, is that the professor as they descend down into the cavern? Perhaps just to give you the sense of the engulfing darkness? Yes, I agree, my imagination probably could have done that as well.
Thanks for the photos. I do like the other with the giant mushrooms. It does look like there is quite good saturation on the images, so they look like good quality. This is good story. Been a while since I read it.
>38 thisGuy33: It may be a result of the type of light. I just went back up and looked at my copy and the colors looked much closer by the room light, but in natural daylight it looks a bit more purple vs. blue. I'll check it again tomorrow.
Thanks for the comment.
>39 hamletscamaro: HA! ... completely unreadable!!!
I'm assuming that is the case for that image (though I have not ever read Journey ... this will be my first read of this wonderful tale). As I've said before, I completely understand and accept artistic choices that conflict with my own. I just wish with so few illustrations ... there wouldn't be one that will most likely be viewed quickly and skipped over by the viewer.
In comparison of other EP offerings ... based on number of illustrations and corresponding cost ...
The Hound of The Baskervilles … 10 illustrations … $267
Poe Stories & Poems … 8 illustrations … $236
Peter Pan in Kensington Gaden … 50 illustrations … $475
Grimm’s Fairy Tales … 40 illustrations … $396
Journey to the Center of the Earth … 9 illustrations … $396
I would assume Journey should be more in line with the price of the first two listed above. Currently it is $150 and more then those first two with similar amounts of illustrations. And equal in cost to the last one that has 31 more illustrations.
And again ... I understand that commissioned artist prices differ from artist to artist. And excuse my ignorance ... but I don't know a lot about Samuel Araya ... maybe he commands a premium for his art and that is why the price is a little high (in my opinion).
Either way ... a beautiful book. And the giant mushroom image has much more detail then seen in my photo upload ... that was just a really quick photo in bad room lighting.
>40 hamletscamaro: ... yup ... I had to do the same thing when you asked me to look at it. In my room it looked pretty close if not perfect. I had to bring it outside to see the bit of difference.
I hope you appreciate my effort ... cuz as you can see in the above photo ... I had to take a bunch of books off my shelf in order to get it outside.
I'm just joking!
I received my copy today, but unfortunately I have to return it because of a large crease in one of the pages. I share the same opinion as >37 thisGuy33: regarding the black image. I was also disappointed with the 5-6 black and white illustrations. For most of them I couldn't make out what the illustration was supposed to represent. They just looked like a black and white abstract images. I really like the other tipped-in illustrations. It overall fell short of my expectations. However, as I mentioned before I'm enthusiastic about this translation. By the way, this copy I'm returning is #6. If anyone gets this copy in the future you'll know it's a return.
>43 NotDownInAnyMap: These crease issues are crazy ... I just wrote about a crease issue in my Wagner's Ring Cycle Volume One ... about 50 pages have creases in it. Not good.
As for Journey ... We're like brothers ... mine is #7.
Good luck with your exchange!
>42 thisGuy33: Yes, thank you for pulling it off and looking at it. Idylls is simply huge, and always a bit cumbersome to find a shelf in which to store it. I have moved it a bunch of different places. The color also really makes it stand out. So yes, I appreciate you taking it out.
For Journey to the Center of the Earth, I haven't ordered it yet. I have a couple of the other Illustrated DLEs I still want to order. Patience. I hope these all stick around for a bit.
#6 and #7... SIGH
I always seem to get copy #453... I know it's not that big of a deal, but it would be cool to get a low number, especially #1 :)
>46 hamletscamaro: ... I was just joking ... it's always fun to have a reason to pull books off the shelf no matter what effort it takes!
And I'm sure Journey will be around for a bit. Being a run of 1,200 ... and only having 9 illustrations ... and a lot of people having the Famous Edition (which I also have ... gonna have to ebay that one now) ... pretty sure it will be available for at least a year or two.
>47 astropi: ... that's AMAZING !!! if you always consistently get exactly #453 for every book
Yeah, it's fun to get lower numbers or numbers that mean something to you. But as discussed in other posts ... it's probably not of any worth other then the fun goofy feeling we get to have it.
>41 thisGuy33: and don’t forget The Ring Cycle with 64 illustrations at a price of $845.
>41 thisGuy33: Haha ... indeed can't forget The Ring Cycle.
I break that one down as 32 illustrations (x 2 volumes)
Wagner's Ring Cycle Volume 1 … 32 illustrations … $422.50
Wagner's Ring Cycle Volume 2 … 32 illustrations … $422.50
So it's generally in line with the rest ... again, I always assume a slight mark up in price for Rackham illustrated titles ... especially when coming from EP.
Thanks a lot for sharing the pics. I cancelled my order - cant believe a $400 book having the two as illustrations.
>51 Neil77: Sorry you cancelled your order ... I actually think it is a nice book but I too am on the border of returning. It's such a tough call ... for that price ... there are a few really beautiful illustrations.
But is that enough to justify the heavy cost?
Even (as mentioned in an earlier post by >43 NotDownInAnyMap: NotDownInAnyMap) the black and white inset sketches (which there are only a few of those as well) are very underwhelming. They look like abstract sketches that a teenager drew with the black space being dominant.
If this was $250 or $300 I would have less of a struggle with keeping this offering ... but at $400 I'm thinking it's one of those times I should save my $$$ for the next impulse buy.
Decisions, decisions ... what to do!!!
And just for anyone who is on the fence about this one ... here are three of the maybe 6 or 7 Black and White sketches in the book for example of what to expect.
>52 thisGuy33: When you have time do you mind clicking all the illustrations? It would help the rest of us. Thanks.
>54 Wootle: I'm new to posting pics here. I was only taking pics of a few illustrations because I didn't want to ruin any fun surprises or sense of discovery for those who do buy the book.
But if it is a common thing here to post "ALL" the illustrations ... then I have no problem posting all of them. I was just trying to be respectful and not spoil anything for anyone.
Any thoughts from you and others on this practice of posting pics would surely sway me.
>55 thisGuy33: suddenly you tripled my satisfaction with the blue Famous Edition Volume by EP; and that reprint from the coveted LEC edition has 32 decent color illustrations.
That's fine, but here's the problem at this point. More people are being turned off from this book because of the couple of pics rather than wanting to buy it. If all pics are shown, perhaps some of them would go back to being buyers. I would especially like to see how the cover turned out. Is it like the EP page, or better/worse?
Personally I will buy it eventually. I think the black/white shots look fine. Everyone needs to remember where this story takes place. Underground in tunnels.
I have photos of the remaining color plates and b/w illustrations I took over the weekend. I will be posting them here shortly.
>56 HugoDumas: is there any information on this forum in regards to the versions you are talking about. If not ... could you post some information/pics so we have more info when choosing between these different releases? Thanks!
>57 Wootle: that makes sense ... I'll post a few more pics of the cover and a few more tipped in illustrations. As for the B/W sketches ... I agree ... they are fine. Again ... I really like this release especially because I actually read these books and apparently the translation is supposed to be really well done. But from someone who is always equally interested in the art work ... I'd say to anyone who is like me in those regards ... might be a bit disappointed from a price/illustration offing standpoint.
As for the cover ... I like it!
>60 thisGuy33: "... looks better in person. I think the cover and 8 of the 9 illustrations look fantastic!"
This is the part we were all missing. Only hearing the negatives about something doesn't do it justice.
I can confirm there are total of 7 b/w illustrations in the book. Here are the remaining 3 in addition to the 3 posted by thisGuy33 and the 1 posted on the Easton Press website:
Here is the last tipped-in plate not pictured of the total of 9 (5 posted on the EP website and 3 posted by thisGuy33):
Also for reference, my page 161 had a large crease. This was not from the ribbon marker. This must have occurred during manufacturing. Again, thanks to thisGuy33 for inspiring me to inspect every page, otherwise I would have missed it. The crease is more pronounced on the opposite side of the page as seen in the second photo.
>61 Wootle: ... Yeah ... I thought I had tried to mention as often as I could that I really do like the book. Here are a few positive comment's I posted throughout this thread that may have been missed ...
... Either way ... a beautiful book. And the giant mushroom image has much more detail then seen in my photo upload ... that was just a really quick photo in bad room lighting.
... So the first image is what 8 of the 9 illustrations are like ... lush, full of depth and very beautiful (in my opinion).
... As for the "in person impression" ... it is quite nice! There is absolutely nothing I regret about this (and I too was a little "ehhh" about the cover. But in person ... I really like it.
My main "passing along of information" here was letting folks know what they might be disappointed in when first opening this book when they receive it.
I am the first to always be super excited when I get my Easton Press DLEs. In my eyes they are super special and I love holding them, reading them and staring endlessly at the beautiful illustrations (ohhh ... I'm gonna save that line as something to tell my girlfriend). :)
But this one was the first that I was slightly disappointed in ... and only because the price vs the limited illustrations (and the one 90% black illustration).
I suppose I could've summed up better in one sentence and spared everyone reading all these posts from me.
So my summation ...
... Another great EP release ... can't wait to read it ... Just wish it was $300 instead of $400 which would put in more in line with other releases in price vs amount of illustrations ... and finally wish 1 of the 9 illustrations was not just a black image (mostly) ...
But if that's all I posted ... I would've never came to this post and realized that sweet SWEET line I'm gonna use on my girlfriend.
>62 NotDownInAnyMap: ... yup ... I had about 50 of those exact creases in my Wagner's Ring Cycle book ... sucks !!!!
And how do you post larger images? Mine keep getting cropped down by libraryThing
>62 NotDownInAnyMap: Thanks for the images. Are you content with that crease?
>60 thisGuy33:, >62 NotDownInAnyMap: Thank you both for the photos. I like having all the information I can before making a decision.
Overall I like it, not sold on the cover, but maybe in person it looks better.
>64 thisGuy33: If you are using imgur, you can use width="1000" after the link in order to size it yourself. Or whatever width or height you want.
>66 Wootle: thanks for that info. I will switch to imgur. I was currently just uploading these images to my "members gallery" here on LT ... then linking the photo in the post.
I will check out imgur later today.
and yeah ... the more info we have before dropping $400 every week/month ... the less buyers remorse we'll force upon ourselves. lol
Hopefully >56 HugoDumas: or someone else can post some info/pics from the other offerings of this title like the famous edition.
Here is a help page on LT to use some html for adding photos and what not: HTML
Here is the important part for photos:
Generally I only use the height or width or you will stretch your pic out unless it is a complete square to start with. I used 800 for the width of this photo. 1000 works well for most book pics, but play with it and see what you like.
PS: The www part is where you put the 1000 or 500 or 100.
>64 thisGuy33: I use postimages.org as suggested by astropi in this post: https://www.librarything.com/topic/290427#6456757
But definitely take Wootle's advice if you're still having trouble.
>65 Wootle: I'm upset about the crease, especially since this is the first time I received a DLE with a number in the single digits. There's something going on with Easton's printer causing this, and it seems like it's not the first time. For the price, I expect perfection. I think asking for pages without creases is a reasonable request. But no matter how much I complain to Easton Press, they don't seem to ever change their quality control. I plan to ship it back to Easton Press tomorrow, and unfortunately decided to send it back for a return rather than an exchange. I think I will be content with the Famous Edition for now.
I may pick up the AD Classic 2008 hardcover edition from Barnes and Noble (since Amazon is currently out of stock) out of curiosity for the modern translation. I'm also looking into the Folio Society edition, which I believe has a modern translation as well. The FS edition seems fairly inexpensive on the secondary market since I'm just looking for a reading copy. I remember the Famous Edition by Easton Press was an enjoyable read, but I really would like to read a more faithful translation.
Sorry for the rant :)
>69 NotDownInAnyMap: I'm all about ranting today, as I'm sure you've noticed. As far as EP is concerned, it's about the bottom line. The binder they are using must be acceptable to them for what they are paying. In order to get a better one, they would have to pay more, and thus make less profit, or sell less books because of higher prices. I'm sure my purchases each year make no difference to them, but if enough people like me get tired of the BS, then they will feel it eventually. Hopefully they figure it out before that happens. EP knows how to do this, a lot of the time they get it right, but when they get it wrong, it stinks the place up.
>68 Wootle: >69 NotDownInAnyMap: ... thanks for the image upload info ... i will improve my image uploads next time for sure!
As for the QC rant ... i'm in!!!
I'm on same page ... the last few months I've spent way way too much on books (most from EP). And I've been very satisfied for the most part. Out of say ... 20 DLE's purchased ... only 4 had to be exchanged. And I can thankfully say all 4 exchanges came back in the condition I had originally hoped for.
I have one final exchange that I called in today for the Weber's Ring Cycle. This was the most damaged book i've received so far with about 50 pages having creases in it.
I'm really hoping the exchange comes back perfect (or at least really really close to) because I really like the illustrations in that one.
20% defect rate is far to high, especially on their most highly priced items. I would call that a lack of quality control for sure. I really think this is a major reason for the higher prices on EP these days. They have to make up for all the replacements. If the books were made properly by the binder, and EP could lower the price of their books by 20%.., oh never mind, we would still complain about high prices.
>70 Wootle: "a lot of the time they get it right, but when they get it wrong, it stinks the place up."
My thoughts exactly. I was so excited about this edition and that crease ruined my enthusiasm, especially now that I have to miss out on having copy #6. I might try my luck with this edition in the future the next time they do their $100/free book promotion again. I doubt this will go on sale for Black Friday/Cyber Week/New Year's if it's still around by then.
>71 thisGuy33: Looking back on my purchases in the last 3 months, my exchange rate is exactly 50%. I think for DLE purchases, it all has to do with luck and whether the buyer thoroughly inspects their books page by page. A great example is your lucky #7 and my unlucky #6 copy with a large page crease. I actually don't consider myself a picky, perfectionist type of collector. All I ask is no creases, no rips/tears/splits, no bumped corners or edges, and no missing gilt. Any returns or exchanges I've ever done fall into at least one of those categories. I hope your new Ring Cycle is perfect. For the price of that set, Easton needs to deliver on their promises of quality.
>73 NotDownInAnyMap: I don't even know what to say about that number. I'm pretty sure I would not be buying from EP if that was my number.
This process should have nothing to do with luck. This is paper and ink, bookbinders have been getting it right for generations. This isn't some complicated science, it is actually pretty easy with the proper equipment.
>74 Wootle: I completely agree with you. I know the rate is bad. That's why I decided to do a return for this edition rather than an exchange. I just want my money back and a break from the inconvenience and frustration of buying and returning/exchanging. I think I may also hold off buying the 1984 DLE as well. I don't buy a book just so I can return or exchange it. What I find amazing is how Easton Press just refuses to make the changes necessary and really don't seem to care about customer complaints.
>73 NotDownInAnyMap: $100/free book promotion … is that something that happens often. I know it just happened a few months ago … but is it normal to happen throughout the year?
Does EP often do sales on holidays? Is there a history of sale/discount pattern with EP? I know folio society offers a summer sale or something?
And I’m right there with ya … I’m not a real picky perfection person. But I do like if there is wear and tear … that it came from my mistakes. A little something here and there from manufacturer I’m ok with. But again … like you and we all have said … at these prices we want pretty pristine.
>74 Wootle: and I’m with you on that as well. 50% is WAY!!! too discouraging. And couldn’t say it any better … this is not “one off” hand created items where one would expect some slight inconsistencies. Even at a run of 1,200 … this is mass production (or limited mass production) where once the QC is done … the rest of the run should be fine.
>75 NotDownInAnyMap: maybe 1984 was pulled from the site because someone actually did some QC and realized it was not good.
I can’t imagine with all the exchanges/returns someone who has the power to tighten the ship isn’t seeing these numbers and contemplating making change of some sort.
And like Wootle said … hopefully in the end any higher QC doesn’t come back to the customer reflecting in higher prices. I think you're right in saying that prices have gone up probably due to all the losses in returns. The sad thing is … that those prices are now considered the normal and even if they fix the return/exchange problem … prices will never drop and only go up from here.
my rant is over … I’m going to read and escape reality.
Yes, the "spend $100 get a free book" promotion comes around about once per quarter by means of email only. The free books are like 3rd and 4th tier picks, mostly coffee table books. Occasionally, something interesting sneaks through.
My return rate has been about 33.3% for the last few years. My buying from them has slowed, in part because of the defect concerns, but also because at some point my library got large enough and well rounded enough that I don't feel as compelled to collect like I used to.
>59 thisGuy33: if you do an eBay search on Easton Press Verne you can see the beautiful blue trilogy set in the Famous Edition series (reissue from LEC or Heritage Club) featuring the illustrations of Edward Wilson, about 30 color illustrations per volume.
>79 astropi: I can't find the LEC translator mentioned anywhere. That edition is introduced by Isaac Asimov (though unfortunately not signed by him). I really like the binding of the LEC which uses black vellum boards embossed with a "coal-mine" pattern. It's hard to compare illustrations since I don't own the EP DLE and only have on-line pictures to go by. The 15 pen and wash drawings by Edward Wilson in the LEC aren't bad. Neither the LEC or EP DLE illustrations really excite me.
I do not own the LEC edition. However I do own the Heritage Press version, and I believe they just re-printed the LEC edition. There is no translator listed. The Wiki for this book says this:
"The 1871 English language edition published by Griffith and Farran (named Journey to the Centre of the Earth at Project Gutenberg) is an abridged and altered translation. It changes the Professor's name to Hardwigg, Axel's name to Harry (or Henry) Lawson, and Grauben's name to Gretchen. It omits some chapters, while rewriting or adding portions to others. The redactor's note by Norm Wolcott, at Project Gutenberg, claims that this translation is the most popularly reprinted one, despite the flaws."
I believe this is the one that the LEC and Heritage is re-printing. The intro is by Asimov and illustrated by Wilson. Basically, this one sucks. This new edition that EP just published, appears to be a good translation. The specifics are above at >8 NotDownInAnyMap:.
Thanks Wootle! Although I love letterpress, it sounds like the DLE is the way to go here.
I think you are correct, this new edition is the one to read to get the best translation. Here is some comparison:
The earlier DLE was a reproduction of an 1874 edition according to a current listing on eBay, but the Malleson translation wasn’t published until 1877 according to Wikipedia.
That looks right, so the earlier DLE probably used a poor translation as well. On the bright side, the Folio Society edition is probably pretty good. William Butcher is said to have done a good job.
So I'm leaning towards keeping my DLE version. I still think it's a bit overpriced for the amount of illustrations. But all but one of the 9 illustrations are quite lovely in my opinion. And if the story is one of the better translated in this version ... i'm satisfied.
As I have never read this story ... I think this will be a good place to start.
But I just saw on TV that the 2008 Journey to the Center of the Earth movie with Brendan Fraser is on ... maybe I'll watch this first so I can get a real taste for whats in store. Hopefully the book can live up to the movie.
86: heh, I assume you're joking ;)
Although I did enjoy Fraser in " The Mummy"
>86 thisGuy33: I watched it the other night after reading the book. It's fine by itself, but doesn't do well following the book, as not many movies actually do.
Yeah ... I was just seeing how many people I could get to quickly lose any bit of respect they might have had for me.
I lost several level points just by typing it ... I cringed with every letter of every word I typed.
But I feel oddly proud of my 8th grade sense of humor.
Personally I would not be able to judge what was a poor translation without reading the original French. I never recall this type of commentary on translations for the expensive EP DLEs of Hugo or Dumas. Having thoroughly enjoyed the Michael Strogoff DLE my preference would have been for the 1874 DLE of Journey, because I like novels with profuse illustrations.
As a note the only time I ever compared translations was Eugene Sue’s Mysteries of Paris. In comparing the new Penguin translation with the 3 volume Chapman Hall Edition of 1845 I found no problem with the translation. What was disturbing was the Victorian censorship of the 1845 British version. Too bad since the 1845 version has 700 illustrations which I love.
After having read the Heritage Press edition, I feel cheated knowing that entire chapters were cut out, and that names were changed, and text added in other places. I would like to read the edition most true to what Verne wrote, and not reading French, the translation is vastly important.
>91 HugoDumas: Perhaps there should have been more talk about translators with those expensive sets, but I'm thinking not as many people here bought them with that price point. I also love the early editions with what seems like hundreds of illustrations in them, really makes the story move for me. But finding those editions in nice condition and at a price that I can afford, is impossible for the most part.
>92 Wootle: this type of dialogue and scholarship is appreciated. Yet most of us have no way of knowing the truth on translations or editorial mischief without significant research like what you are doing. I read War and Peace with the translations of Maude and Constance Garnett. I do not remember any difference. And now there is supposedly a better translation in a beautiful FS 2 volume set. If I read that book, I suspect I would not be able to tell the difference; but those generous beautiful full page color illustrations are what we all crave in our expensive DLEs.
Well here's a trilogy on eBay http://r.ebay.com/RmLiDr with one of the regular versions
I have that set. The translation of Journey is the one being frowned upon, with the changed character names. I guess I'll have to re-read a different version of the book.
The “20,000 Leagues” DLE also omitted one-fourth of the French text as well as passages that Victorians might frown upon, so I chose to read the FS edition instead. It is complete and has a recent translation. EP has selected its Jules Verne editions poorly until the most recent one.
HugoDumas may be correct about the earliest editions having the most intriguing illustrations, and I like them too, but to me a book is first and foremost to be read.
Good to know. I can live without pictures but a good text is a must. I won't pay the DLE price for a more complete text, not when a regular EP/FS/FL/CP/etc copy exists.
It would be a very limited education indeed to fail to read some of the world’s great literature. Nonetheless, I find myself concentrating more and more on the texts written in English originally, so that they don’t get filtered through someone else’s eyes and mind.
In the case of poetry, such as Homer, the Greek tragedies, Dante, Goethe, etc., I am coming around to the view that they are best translated into prose. Even the best poetic translations seem forced, and if you compare two of them it sometimes seems they are translating two different stories.
>98 jroger1: "Even the best poetic translations seem forced..."
I agree. This is one of the reasons I avoid purchasing books in translation, and, if I buy a group of books, I get rid of 95% of books that are translated. I avoid translated poetry especially. I have seen several dual-language editions (some of which I own), and, in my opinion, translations do not come even close to the music and meaning of poetry in original languages.
That said, if somebody does not read French, having a complete and accurate translation of the Journey to the Center of the Earth in English is a nice way to experience a great book, and it looks like EP has produced a nice edition with decent translation this time.
The Barnes and Noble leather-bound omnibus edition of Jules Verne also contains "a faithful translation" of Journey to the Center of the Earth, with names Lidenbrock, Axel and Grauben.
98: true, so you're faced with this decision
1)Don't read some of the greatest works because you are reading a translation
2)Read it and enjoy.
I go for option #2 myself :)
Also, even classics in English are often modernized. That Shakespeare you read in high school, NOT the way Shakespeare wrote! Want to read Shakespeare the way it was meant to be read - hunt down something that is true to the First Folio text (LEC, EP Shakespeare library, etc).
Yes, the ones I mentioned and many others simply must be read by any lover of literature, but I seem to remember that the first edition (1952) of the Great Books of the Western World printed prose versions of the Homer epics. I don’t remember them well, but I do remember understanding the stories without struggling much. Poets make me struggle with both the story and the twisted, circuitous language they have to use to make the meter come out right. I didn’t used to feel this way, so maybe I’ll revert to sanity sometime.
The modern Shakespeares, except for the children’s versions, update the spelling and sometimes the punctuation but nothing more (I hope).
Quick question ... I tried to re-read thru these 102 posts to find my answer.
I thought I recalled reading a comment from someone saying that there was a book to read prior to Journey to the Center of the Earth. As if there is a book that takes place prior to this story.
I'm I making this up in my head?
I was about to start reading this book finally ... then I thought I remembered the reason I hadn't already started this one was because I wanted to check out the other book.
Any thoughts would be great.
thanks so much!
>104 Wootle: ... yeah ... i'm diving in now! But I do think someone had mentioned something .. not a direct prequel/sequel kind of thing ... but something where there was earlier reference to characters.
May have been a completely different book ... just thought it was this one for some reason.
Oh well ... time to get my read on!
>105 thisGuy33: Congratulations. Gorgeous books. Lucky. My parents purchased many limited edition titles from Folio Society and they bought Ovid's Metamorphoses for me. FS has a large sale going on right on.
>105 thisGuy33: The only ones that are tied together are From the Earth to the Moon, the sequel Around the Moon. Then 20K Leagues has a character loosely in The Mysterious Island but doesn't need to be read in that order.
>106 fancythings: Good to hear you're coming around to Folio Society editions now. I remember you found Folio Society off-putting at first. Seeing one new FS edition in person is all it takes to appreciate them.
>108 NotDownInAnyMap: My parents, not me. lol. Thank you. I'm sure they will be gorgeous. My parents purchased several letterpress editions; The Bible and Ovid's metamorphoses. I can't wait to get them.
>106 fancythings: yeah, I love my EP's. Folio Society have some nice selections as well. I just picked up all the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxys ... they are a fun series for sure!
>107 Wootle: thanks for the info. I dove in last night and read a handful of chapters ... I am so much enjoying this! Definitely an enjoyable read!
I got mine today........the picture on the slipcase is not levelled, there is approx 1/4 inch difference between left and right side, very eye catching.....anyone else experienced this on their copy?
>111 Love2Read.: ... not sure if I completely understand your issue. But I just looked at my slipcase and mine seems to be almost perfectly centered. The "picture" is slightly down and to the right of the border surrounding it. But only by maybe 1/8th of an inch ... hardly noticeable.
Upload a pic so we can be more clear of what you have on yours.
>112 thisGuy33: Thank you, seems like there might be more copies out there with the same "issue" as mine......however mine is a bit more than 1/8 of an inch......well at least it's just a slipcase issue, the book looks great ;)
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