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Possibility of FS His Dark Materials being reprinted?

Folio Society devotees

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1RecoveringYogi
Jun 27, 2018, 5:01pm Top

What with the BBC's adaptation gaining steam and stars such as James McAvoy attached to the project; do you believe there will be enough buzz around the source material to motivate FS into re-releasing the set?

2boldface
Edited: Jun 27, 2018, 5:33pm Top

>1 RecoveringYogi:

It will depend ultimately on rights agreements.

3sdawson
Jun 27, 2018, 10:25pm Top

i did not realize these are scarce on the aftermarket.

4woodstock8786
Jun 28, 2018, 6:03am Top

I didn't know about the BBC adaption! Great news, have to follow that. I love the books and would love to have them reprinted. They are pretty costly now

5RRCBS
Jun 28, 2018, 6:09am Top

I have the set, was just flipping through it last night. It really is beautiful!

7LondonLawyer
Oct 16, 2018, 6:14am Top

Wonderful news! This is going straight into my basket.

(I feel sorry for those who've shelled out £300+ on the secondary market in recent months...)

8venkysuniverse
Oct 16, 2018, 6:17am Top

>7 LondonLawyer: Agreed and FS should atleast provide a tentative calendar for reprints as it will be a positive cash flow item for them.

9LondonLawyer
Oct 16, 2018, 6:24am Top

>7 LondonLawyer: It's hard to see what the downside to the FS would be by sharing this information. It would help prevent people's book-buying dollars being spent the secondary market, rather than with them.

10Uppernorwood
Oct 16, 2018, 6:55am Top

This is a masterpiece of modern fiction so im glad this is getting a wider audience. I hope the BBC series does it justice, unlike the Harry Potter-fied film version.

I bought a 2nd hand FS set for £150 about a year ago so I've just about 'broken even'. Although my copy is slightly worn, so id prefer a brand new copy.

It must be very frustrating for some people, although that's the risk you take when paying above and RRP I guess.

It would be helpful if FS could be clearer on these things. In their defence they may not know whether they'll get agreement to reprint.

That said, imagine if they were to reprint the entire Patrick O'Brien series! You would hear the screams of anguish of some 2nd hand buyers from miles away....

11SomeKindOfStranger
Oct 16, 2018, 8:19am Top

I paid £150 for a 1st edition set back in May/June ... but I have since met Philip and had the set signed so I am happy with my lot :)

12cwl
Oct 16, 2018, 9:11am Top

Me too - I can't remember what I paid (certainly under £150) - I imagine there a are a few of these out there now, but they rarely hit the market since we keep them.

13NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 16, 2018, 10:33am Top

Wow! A wonderful surprise! I'm so happy I held out from buying an expensive used copy! Thank you Folio Society!

14Auberon
Oct 16, 2018, 10:48am Top

I wonder if this means they're planning to publish the La Belle Sauvage (and the rest of the forthcoming Book of Dust) in the foreseeable future.

Don't they usually bring things back into print when future volumes are on the horizon?

15EuanM
Oct 16, 2018, 11:31am Top

It's probably just to piggy back on the interest the TV adaptation will generate. Plus I don't think there are any other premium editions out there and it's a series that attracts a lot of passion - works for the dismembered model.

16McLeanSloughter
Oct 16, 2018, 4:23pm Top

If you go to the U.K. site, the first book is titled "Northern Light", and if you go to the U.S. site, the first book is titled "The Golden Compass."

Has it always been the case that they made different editions of this for the U.S. and the U.K., to reflect the different titles in each country? It looks like, if one is a U.S. customer, there's no way to order the U.K. edition with the proper original title.

17cwl
Oct 16, 2018, 7:38pm Top

Yes. There have always been two titles for the UK and US markets; FS must sell the correct regional version due to rights issues.

18McLeanSloughter
Oct 16, 2018, 11:26pm Top

>17 cwl:
Thanks. Do you happen to know if the content is the same within the books? Or does the U.S. release have Americanised spellings?

19Uppernorwood
Oct 17, 2018, 6:35am Top

It might be worth asking FS, as I understand some passages were 'censored' in the American version originally, specifically in the 3rd book.

Quite why so many publishers feel the need to condescend to Americans like this I don't know.

Even the title Northern Lights is far more evocative and mysterious than the matter-of-fact "Golden Compass".

20NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 17, 2018, 6:42am Top

>18 McLeanSloughter: The text and interior are identical for both the US and UK editions. The only difference is The Golden Compass title on the US edition. They address the question in the comments section of their Facebook post where they announced the set is back in print.

21St._Troy
Oct 17, 2018, 9:01am Top

>17 cwl: "There have always been two titles for the UK and US markets; FS must sell the correct regional version due to rights issues."

This is good to know; I'd been under the impression that FS was somehow buckling to the American market (or the general movie-going public), resulting in a British work being published by a British publisher under a title only used outside the UK (nothing against Americans, I am one, I just favor using the correct/original title).

>19 Uppernorwood: "...I understand some passages were 'censored' in the American version originally, specifically in the 3rd book."

I had no idea; how abhorrent. And my wife wonders why I obsess over the selection of edition when buying just about any book.

>19 Uppernorwood: "...the title Northern Lights is far more evocative and mysterious than the matter-of-fact "Golden Compass"."

Yes, yes - a thousand times, yes.

22kermaier
Oct 17, 2018, 9:11am Top

>19 Uppernorwood:
I’m not sure that it’s more mysterious and evocative, but I’m always in favor of respecting the author’s original work and words to the utmost.
That said, I think “The Golden Compass” is more of a piece with the other two titles, in that they invoke the central tools used by the protagonists in their respective volumes.

23gmacaree
Oct 17, 2018, 9:16am Top

Given the subsequent books in the series, Northern Lights is a terrible title.

24SF-72
Oct 17, 2018, 12:22pm Top

>19 Uppernorwood:

Thank you for that information. That's certainly not something I'd have expected, but unfortunately it fits some tendencies in the US. The Last Unicorn (the film) was censored there for years, while the uncensored version was free for all ages in Germany. To my relief I found that my edition is from the UK (not the one by FS).

25sdawson
Edited: Oct 17, 2018, 12:58pm Top

I am quite curious as to the censored lines. Could someone post the uncensored and censored lines here?

-Shawn

Nevermind, I found a discussion here:

https://bridgetothestars.net/index.php?p=FAQ#3

26Mooch360
Oct 17, 2018, 8:00pm Top

Does this count as a "new" book for the purposes of the 10% coupon? Even though it's a reprint?

27jsavoy
Oct 17, 2018, 11:33pm Top

I just placed a fairly large order that included The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay from the Christmas collection and the 10% coupon unexpectedly applied to that book as well. That may have been a glitch, but it seems you'd probably get the discount on His Dark Materials at this point? I also just created a LibraryThing account tonight after watching this group for a while, so it's been a big day :)

28wcarter
Oct 18, 2018, 12:28am Top

Welcome to FSD and Folio addiction. Your large order shows you are already hooked.
Make sure you check out the FSDwiki at:-
https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Groups:Folio_Society_Devotees

29jsavoy
Oct 18, 2018, 6:32pm Top

Thanks! I discovered Folio about a year and a half ago and now have several dozen titles, but I'm trying not to let my purchases outpace my reading by too much :)

30Roccosem
Oct 18, 2018, 7:54pm Top

Just ordered these. Excited they're back in stock.

31RecoveringYogi
Oct 19, 2018, 11:51am Top

Oh my gosh, this is incredible. Off to order it now!

32Uppernorwood
Oct 19, 2018, 6:48pm Top

Why terrible? That's a bizarre ting to say.

33Uppernorwood
Oct 19, 2018, 6:53pm Top

The US title was changed before the 2nd and 3rd books were even written, so wanting on uniform titles for the trilogy of "The (adjective) (noun)" isn't a justification.

Ultimately it's just a title, but I just find it strange that at some point some person decided 'this is a good book but before we publish it in the US we need to change the title and edit out the (very minor) allusions to sexuality.'

Why?

As far as I'm aware, this only ever seems to be a one way thing. US books do not seem to be changed for the European market (although I'm happy to be corrected!).

34McLeanSloughter
Oct 20, 2018, 12:43am Top

>33 Uppernorwood:
"Anne of Windy Poplars" was changed to "Anne of Windy Willows" in the U.K. (from Canada, not the U.S., but the U.S. did retain the original Canadian title).

"Outlander" was changed to "Cross Stitch" for publication in the U.K.

But yes, it's certainly much more rare to see the change in that direction (on the other hand, it's reasonably common for American films to be renamed for the U.K., although that seems to be a pretty common practice in both directions).

35boldface
Oct 20, 2018, 12:00pm Top

>16 McLeanSloughter:, etc.

Gordon Bennett!!
(Or should that be Gordon-Bennett? I must ask Alan.)
I put it all down to the madness of King George
(or should I say George III?)

36bookfair_e
Edited: Oct 20, 2018, 4:15pm Top

The binding for this reprint differs slightly from the original. (Folio logo)



Edited for clarification.

37Mooch360
Oct 20, 2018, 2:56pm Top

Is the colour different or is that just the lighting in the photo?

38NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 20, 2018, 3:26pm Top

>37 Mooch360: It looks like the only difference is the Folio Society logo. There has always been the difference between the The Golden Compass and Northern Lights titles for the US and UK editions.

39wdripp
Oct 20, 2018, 4:56pm Top

>37 Mooch360: I have the US edition of the 2008 release, and the books are black with gold print, so I think the color in that photo is washed out.

40Uppernorwood
Oct 24, 2018, 5:20pm Top

I stand corrected!

As a I was typing I thought of the recent Avengers movie being renamed for the UK, so it wouldn't get confused with the 1960s British TV series. Does anyone seriously think it could cause confusion?!

41coynedj
Oct 24, 2018, 5:43pm Top

>40 Uppernorwood: And we got the TV show here in the U.S. as well. As you know, we Americans are easily confused, and we by and large had no issues with it.

42zebraxing
Edited: Nov 2, 2018, 6:55pm Top

SomeKindOfStranger

I saw your comment and I was in a similar position. Bought for £143 in 2012 and met Philip not long after and had the first book signed (when he was promoting his reworking of Grimm fairy tales).

Do you know how much it was on release?

43wcarter
Edited: Nov 2, 2018, 8:14pm Top

>42 zebraxing:
The answer to this, and almost every FS question, is on the wiki. Go to the prospectus/catalogue list, download the catalogue/prospectus for the relevant year, and you have all the details about the book, including the price.
All FSD members should bookmark the wiki site which can be found at:-
https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Groups:Folio_Society_Devotees

44zebraxing
Edited: Nov 9, 2018, 3:46am Top

Thanks that was useful but for some reason His Dark Materials isn’t in the prospectus. I looked from 2006 to 2012 and checked the indexes. 2013 is missing. I rechecked 2007 - 2009 about three times.

I haven’t checked my own book and think the first edition was published in 2008 based on a google search where someone has started a topic in October 2008 about this.

Apparently this set was only available for a few months before it sold out and the first 100(?) were signed so I’m guessing there was a separate pamphlet sent about this to members and that might explain its omission from any prospectus. I also seem to recall reading somewhere that many members renewed and got the set for free rather than buying this edition.

It would be nice if someone could confirm or clarify.

I’m going to assume it was about £90-100 on release back then based on the scarcity of information and similar price for other 3 book sets.

45affle
Nov 9, 2018, 5:22am Top

>44 zebraxing:

I acquired my set free in the great spring sale of 2010 - incidentally, no indication that it is a reprint, so in may have been in print longer than you say - and I noted the full price as £99.95.

46Fierylunar
Nov 9, 2018, 8:40am Top

>44 zebraxing: I can confirm that the book was offered for new members at least. Me and a friend of mine joined buying one HDM, one seperate volume and the new member offer HDM, both wanting the book but not having the financial means back then. I seem to recall the book being 99 GBP on release back then. I can't verify because the order went through his account.

47folio_books
Nov 9, 2018, 10:19am Top

>44 zebraxing: for some reason His Dark Materials isn’t in the prospectus. I looked from 2006 to 2012 and checked the indexes. 2013 is missing.

Okay, just come back from a thorough search. It is listed on the Master Index as being in the 2010s. The 2010s file pointed me to the Spring 2013 catalogue, and there it is on page 35 (second last page) - quite a nice write-up. The price at that time was £99.95.

Then I checked my own copy, which I bought when first published and that seems to say 2008. My conclusion is it was a one-off and sold out quickly (like the first edition of The Hobbit in 1976) and never made it as far as a prospectus at the time but, due to obvious popularity, was reprinted in 2010.

You were hampered in your quest by a broken link. The 2013 Prospectus is in my Dropbox folder, where it should be, but the link on the Wiki returns a 404 error. I've asked Warwick, as Person-in-Charge of the Wiki, to have a look at it. 2012/2013 was the time Folio changed from Prospectuses (which used to be annual) to Catalogues (which have varied between three and four issues a year). In those two years the issue was confused further as there were Prospectuses and Catalogues (same thing, just different names) issued. Hope it's a bit clearer now.

48Firumbras
Edited: Nov 9, 2018, 3:25pm Top

>36 bookfair_e:
Ah yes, the mandatory FS logo now appears on everything, like the pox, whether it accords with the design or not.

49wcarter
Edited: Nov 9, 2018, 4:12pm Top

>44 zebraxing: >47 folio_books:
Dead link fixed and 2013 Prospectus can now be downloaded from the wiki.
The FSD wiki can be found here.
There are a couple of hundred links on the wiki page, so it is sometimes difficult to detect when one goes rogue.
If anyone finds a dead link on the wiki, please send me a PM.

50terebinth
Edited: Nov 10, 2018, 10:09am Top

>44 zebraxing:

I was another buyer of the set on its release. The signed copies were randomly allocated (maybe via a draw?) rather than for the first hundred orders.

51zebraxing
Edited: Nov 12, 2018, 12:13pm Top

Mystery solved, nice teamwork!

Thanks everyone for your input

52Shaliza
Dec 4, 2018, 4:54pm Top

I just received my order with HDM. Needless to say, since it's my Christmas present from my husband, I put it under the tree unopened! I'll have to wait it out!

53wcarter
Dec 4, 2018, 5:39pm Top

>52 Shaliza:
You should be congratulated on your great self control. Adds to the pleasure when you finally open it in 20 days.

54folio_books
Dec 27, 2018, 4:18pm Top

>52 Shaliza:

I hope you found your patience well rewarded.
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