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Joe's Book Cafe Door 14

This is a continuation of the topic Joe's Book Cafe Door 13.

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75 Books Challenge for 2018

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1jnwelch
Edited: Jul 4, 2:40pm Top









Artists Unknown

Welcome back to the cafe!

3jnwelch
Edited: Jul 21, 3:02pm Top

Here's the obituary for my recently late father Lyndon:



http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/annarbor/obituary.aspx?n=lyndon-welch&pid=...

He's missed.

4jnwelch
Edited: Jul 21, 2:59pm Top

My reading so far.

January, 2018

1. Artemis by Andy Weir
2. Bella Poldark by Winston Graham
3. Loose Woman by Sandra Cisneros
4. God Stalk by P.C. Hodgell
5. Nicholas Nickleby by Charles Dickens
6. The Tuesday Club Murders by Agatha Christie
7. The Austen Escape by Katherine Reay
8. Bizarre Space A Kid's Guide by Jenn Dlugos and Charlie Hatton
9. Lessons on Expulsion by Erika L. Sanchez
10. Binti The Night Masquerade by Nnedi Okorafor
11. The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy
12. Strange the Dreamer by Laini Taylor
13. Warcross by Marie Lu
14. Hardcore Twenty-Four by Janet Evanovich
15. The Rules of Magic by Alice Hoffman

February 2018

16. The Odyssey translated by Emily Wilson
17. Neogenesis by Sharon Lee
18. The Pyramid of Mud by Andrea Camilleri
19. Girl in a Plain Brown Wrapper by John D. MacDonald
20. A Tan and Sandy Silence by John D. MacDonald
21. Lillian Boxfish Takes a Walk by Kathleen Rooney
22. Shock by Shock by Dean Young
23. A Dying Fall by Elly Griffiths
24. Lightning Blade by D.N. Erikson
25. Absolutely on Music by Haruki Murakami
26. Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie
27. The Power by Naomi Alderman
28. Light Boxes by Shane Jones

March

29. Down the River Unto the Sea by Walter Mosley
30. In Pursuit of Memory by Joseph Jebelli
31. A Local Habitation by Seanan McGuire
32. For We Are Many by Dennis Taylor
33. All These Worlds by Dennis Taylor
34. One Goal: A Coach by Amy Bass
35. We Are Okay by Nina Lacour
36. Artificial Night by Seanan Macguire
37. On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder
38. Where Now New and Selected Poems by Laura Kasischke
39. Wires and Nerve* by Marissa Meyer
40. Wires and Nerve Volume 2* by Marissa Meyer
41. A Room of One's Own by Virginia Woolf
42. And the earth did not devour him by Tomas Rivera
43. The Glass Universe by Dava Sobel
44. Camp Austen by Ted Scheinman
45. The Beauty: Poems by Jane Hirschfield
46. Dark Forest by Cixin Liu

April

47. Hellbent by Gregg Horwitz
48. The Disappeared by C.J. Box
49. The Invisible Library by Genevieve Cogman
50. The Masked City by Genevieve Cogman
51. Prairie Fires by Caroline Fraser
52. Selected Poems of Langston Hughes by Langston Hughes
53. All Systems Red by Martha Wells
54. Go, Went, Gone by Jenny Espenbeck
55. Quesadillas by Juan Pablo Villalobos
56. The Burning Page by Genevieve Cogman
57. Sandman Omnibus Vol. 2* by Neil Gaiman
58. Book of Dust by Phillip Pullman
59. Less: A Novel by Andrew Sean Greer
60. Brazen Rebel Ladies* by Penelope Bagieu
61. The Lost Plot by Genevieve Cogman

May

62. Wade in the Water by Tracy K. Smith
63. It Happens in the Dark by Carroll O'Connell
64. Late Eclipses by Seanan McGuire
65. Lilac Girls by Martha Hall Kelly
66. One Salt Sea by Seanan McGuire
67. Texts from Jane Eyre by Mallory Ortberg
68. One Robe, One Bowl by Ryokan
69. Chimes at Midnight by Seanan McGuire
70. Exit West by Mohsin Hamid
71. Worth Dying For by Lee Child (re-read)
72. Sing, Unburied, Sing by Jesmyn Ward
73. Artificial Condition by Martha Wells
74. The Book of Endings by Leslie Harrison
75. A Dying Fall by Elly Griffiths
76. Winter Long by Seanan McGuire
77. Flowers of Vashnoi by Lois McMaster Bujold
78. Tea Master and the Detective by Aliette de Bodard
79. Ink and Bone by Rachel Caine
80. The Ghost Fields by Elly Griffiths

June

81. Sleeping Giants by Sylvain Neuvel
82. The Woman in Blue by Elly Griffiths
83. After the Funeral by Agatha Christie (re-read)
84. The Chalk Pit by Elly Griffiths
85. A Murder is Announced by Agatha Christie (re-read)
86. Case Histories by Kate Atkinson
87. Red Rose Chain by Seanan McGuire
88. Murder in Mesopotamia by Agatha Christie (re-read)
89. Mrs. McGinty's Dead by Agatha Christie (re-read)
90. The Dark Angel by Elly Griffiths
91. Burn Bright by Patricia Briggs
92. What Would Jane Do from Potter Style
93. The Bear and the Nightingale by Katherine Arden
94. Trigger Warning by Neil Gaiman
95. Kings of the Wyld by Nicholas Eames

July

96. Once Broken Faith by Seanan McGuire
97. Zen and Gone by Emily France
98. Alif the Unseen by G. Willow Wilson
99. What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw by Agatha Christie (re-read)
100. Death on the Nile by Agatha Christie (re-read)
101. Case of the Missing Men* by Kris Bertin
102. Lord Peter Views the Body by Dorothy L. Sayers
103. Fragile Things by Neil Gaiman
104. Jane Austen at Home by Lucy Worsley

Illustrated Books 2018

1. Saga Volume 8 by Fiona Staples
2. Black Panther Avengers of the New World by Ta-Nehisi Coates
3. Black Panther Book Two by Ta-Nehisi Coates
4. Moon Knight by Jeff Lemire
5. Henchgirl by Rita Stradling
6. The Adventures of Dieter Lumpen by Jorge Zentner
7. Death The Deluxe Edition by Neil Gaiman
8. Going into Town by Roz Chast
9. Black Panther Book Three by Ta-Nehisi Coates
10. Black Panther World of Wakanda by Roxanne Gay
11. After the Rain by Andre Julliard
12. Silent Days, Silent Dreams by Allen Say
13. Leave it to Chance by James Robinson
14. Thornhill by Pam Smy
15. Lumberjanes Vol. 4 by Noelle Stevenson
16. The Green Hand and Other Stories by Nicole Claveloux
17. Orphan Black Helsinki by Graeme Manson
18. Nemi by Lise Myrhe
19. Jane by Aline McKenna
20. Eye of the World Volume 5 by Robert Jordan
21. Andre the Giant by Box Brown
22. Last Stop on Market Street by Matt de la Peña
23. The Discworld Graphic Novels by Terry Pratchett
24. Starseeds by Charles Glaubitz
25. Why I Hate Saturn by Kyle Baker
26. Josephine The Dazzling Life by Patricia Hruby Powell
27. Ada Twist Scientist by Andrea Beaty
28. Paper Girls Vol. 4 by Brian K. Vaughan
29. Serenity No Power in the 'Verse by Chris Roberson
30. Hawkeye Kate Bishop Anchor Points by Kelly Thompson
31. Alpha Abidjan to Paris by Bessora
32. Drawing from Memory by Allen Say
33. Orphan Black Deviations by Heli Kennedy
34. Lazarus X+66 by Greg Rucka
35. How to Be Happy by Eleanor Davis
36. Flight Volume 6 edited by Kazu Kabuishi
37. Feathers by Jorge Corona
38. Lady Killer Vol. 2 by Joelle Jones
39. Kill or Be Killed by Ed Brubaker
40. Kill or Be Killed Vol. 2 by Ed Brubaker
41. Royal City by Jeff Lemire
42. Runaways Find Your Way Home by Rainbow Rowell
43. Wonder Woman Love and Murder by Jodi Picoult
44. American Gods Volume 1: Shadows by Neil Gaiman
45. Catwoman Final Jeopardy by Will Pfeifer
46. Batgirl Vol. 2: Son of Penguin by Hope Larson
47. Black Panther: Long Live the King by Nnedi Okorafor
48. Royal City Vol. 2 by Jeff Lemire
49. Orbital Vol. 1 by Sylvain Runberg
50. A History of Violence by John Wagner
51. All Summer Long by Hope Larson

5jnwelch
Edited: Jul 21, 3:01pm Top

Portland Meetup Photos



At Deschutes Brewery in Portland. Clockwise from left, Walt (Kim's hubby), Joe, Kim (Berly), Debbi (Walklover), Juli (SuziOregon), Zoe (_Zoe_), and Mark (Zoe's hubby)



Where we had drinks and appetizers before Deschutes (I can't remember the name - maybe Kim or Juli can help)

Mark, Zoe, Kim, Juli

6jnwelch
Edited: Jul 4, 2:12pm Top

Fun in Portland



Joe's Book Haul at Powell's: Rick Steves' Amsterdam (Walklover purchase), The Book of Phoenix by Nnedi Okorafor, Zen and Gone by Emily France, Less: A Novel by Andrew Sean Greer (we'd read it on Kindle and wanted a hard copy), The Case of the Missing Men by Kris Bertin (GN), Hit-Girl: Colombia (GN)



Debbi at Mother's Restaurant - excellent breakfast



In the Portland International Rose Test Garden



In the Japanese Gardens - hard to capture the beauty and tranquility

7Caroline_McElwee
Jul 4, 2:20pm Top

>6 jnwelch: that Japanese garden is beautiful Joe.

Hi Debbi.

Like the book haul and meet up photos.

I hope you get a bit of time just to be at home now Joe. You've had quite a year of it.

8bell7
Jul 4, 2:31pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe! Love the meetup photos.

9jnwelch
Edited: Jul 4, 2:39pm Top

>7 Caroline_McElwee: Hi, Caroline. Oh good. I wasn't sure the photo adequately conveyed the garden. Debbi has more on Facebook.

I'm reading Zen and Gone from the book haul and liking it. You would've enjoyed meeting the Portland folks.

Phew, you're so right. Debbi (I passed on your "Hi" to her, and she sends greetings back) and I are committed to going nowhere nohow for a while. It has been quite a year. The only possible near term development is her going to help again with the new grandbaby - and she loves that little guy to bits, so that wouldn't be a hardship.

>8 bell7: Thanks, Mary! We all had so much fun at that meetup.

10jessibud2
Jul 4, 3:02pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. Great photos

11jnwelch
Jul 4, 3:05pm Top

>10 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley. Thanks. Glad you found the new one. :-)

12msf59
Jul 4, 3:07pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe! I like the tea-time toppers! Enjoy your quiet day at the homestead.

Have you read the poet, Tony Hoagland? I just started Priest Turned Therapist Treats Fear of God: Poems, his latest, and I like his style.

13drneutron
Jul 4, 3:47pm Top

Happy new thread! Great meetup pic!

14johnsimpson
Jul 4, 3:55pm Top

Hi Joe, glad you and Debbi had a great time in Portland and had a great meet-up, the photos are great and thanks for posting them. Hope you are both having a really lovely 4th of July mate.

Happy new thread.

15ronincats
Jul 4, 4:06pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. Love all those cuppas up above.

16jnwelch
Jul 4, 4:09pm Top

>12 msf59:. Hiya, Mark. Thanks.

Tony Hoagland: I love his stuff! I’m pretty sure I recommended him to you in the past. His style should be a good match for you. I haven’t read this new one, but have a bunch of his others if you become a fan.

>13 drneutron:. Thanks, Jim! It was a great meetup.

>14 johnsimpson:. Thanks, John. We did have a great time and a blast at meetup. I’m glad we’re home with working technology so I can post photos here. We’re having a lovely low key 4th. I hope all is well on your side of the pond.

17jnwelch
Jul 4, 4:11pm Top

>15 ronincats:. Thanks, Roni. Those cups up there seemed appropriate for the cafe. I’ll probably post some more as we go along.

18johnsimpson
Jul 4, 4:18pm Top

>16 jnwelch:, Hi Joe, all is fine here and we are enjoying our "heatwave", it is coming up to two weeks since the warm and then hot (by our standards) began. Today was supposed to be slightly cooler than previous days due to low cloud coming in last night from the east coast, the cloud didn't reach us and so we have had a warmer day than yesterday with highs of 26C, the temperatures are set to continue to rise over the next few days with 31C to be had on Sunday up here in Yorkshire. From what our local news weather forecaster has said these temperatures are expected to last into the middle of July but look set to be this way throughout July.

19figsfromthistle
Jul 4, 4:25pm Top

Happy new thread! Looks like you had a terrific meet- up

20jnwelch
Jul 4, 4:33pm Top

>18 johnsimpson:. Good to hear, John. 31 C would be pretty toasty here, around 89 F, but we’ve been known to go a lot higher here in the summer. I’d love it if we didn’t, but experience indicates we will.

>19 figsfromthistle:. Thanks, figs. The meetup was terrific. We have so many great folks in this 75er group; it’s always a pleasure to meet up in person.

21Familyhistorian
Jul 4, 8:06pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. All those cups must mean that the cafe is open for business, hopefully for a while this time. I'm sure that you both would like to stay home for a while. Love the meet up photos. You seem to get to a lot of those!

22laytonwoman3rd
Jul 4, 8:25pm Top

May the Fourth be with you, Joe!

23NarratorLady
Jul 4, 8:53pm Top

Happy 4th Joe! Sounds like being at home with Debbi and books is just what you need. We’re heading to the Pacific NW in the fall and staying with friends in Portland. I know that the Japanese Gardens and Powell’s is at the top of the list on their itinerary plus food trucks and donut shops. Thanks for the preview.

I’m about to crack open Lonesome Dove, a first time read for me inspired by the list from PBS’s Great American Read. It’s huge! It won’t take all summer but after all these years of reading I can’t say my speed has ever increased.

24banjo123
Jul 4, 9:15pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe! I am sorry I missed you and Debbi when you were in Portland. Next time!

25jnwelch
Jul 4, 10:25pm Top

>21 Familyhistorian: Hi, Meg. The cafe is definitely open for business. The proprietor is even going to be around for a while. Woo - I'm liking that.

I have managed to get to a lot of meetups. We have such good people in this group! Debbi's is still amazed by the one we had in Golder's Green in London. We had folks from Chicago (us) and Atlanta (Darryl), Kuala Lampur (Paul Cranswick and Hani), Wales (Paul Harris - polaris), Germany (Bianca- drachenbraut23) and various parts of England (Claire Shapiro - Sakerfalcon, Caroline McElwee, and Luci Davin).

This retirement stage sure makes traveling easier.

>22 laytonwoman3rd: Thanks, Linda. I hope JU had a chance to LY down and read some, and to go FOURTH and have some awesome vittles.

26jnwelch
Jul 4, 10:34pm Top

>23 NarratorLady: Oh my, I hope you enjoy Lonesome Dove (touchstone?) as much as I did, Anne. It was one of those I resisted because of its being pushed too much (pre-LT), but when I finally read it thanks to Mark, I loved it. It's now one of my all-time faves.

Portland - enjoy! Can't wait to hear what you think of Powell's and the Japanese Gardens. We also loved the Lan Su Chinese Garden. Food trucks and donut shops - yes. As you probably saw on FB, we enjoyed both Voodoo Donuts and Blue Star. We did have good meals from some food trucks down on the Waterfront in the Portland Saturday Market (on Sunday).

>24 banjo123: Thanks, Rhonda. Wish we could've met you in Portland. Next time!

27EBT1002
Jul 4, 11:36pm Top

I'm so glad you had a wonderful time in Portland, Joe. I wish I could have been there. I can't believe that after all this time, all these exhortations for you to make the trek, my life was such that I couldn't join you. Trust me; I am looking for conferences in the Chicagoland area.....

28kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 5, 2:32am Top

>25 jnwelch: Happy new thread, Joe! That was a great meet up, and almost certainly the most international of all the ones I've attended, with five countries represented. The meet up I attended last month in Lisbon and Cacilhas, Portugal featured LTers who lived in or came from four countries, Portugal, the Philippines, Israel and the US, and the meet up in Leiden that same year also had people from four countries (Netherlands, Belgium, England and the US), so our meet up in London two years ago is still tops.

I'm still amazed that I've met nearly 60 LTers in person, in eight different countries: the US, England, Scotland, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Spain, and now Portugal. And, thanks to LT, I now have two friends in a city (Lisbon) and country that I'm seriously thinking of retiring to. LibraryThing, IMO, represents what is best about the Internet and social media more than anything else.

29kac522
Jul 5, 3:03am Top

Welcome home, Joe, and lovely new thread. You have no choice but to take it easy in this heat & humidity.

Lovely tribute to your dad and I'm awed by all the reading you've completed in this challenging year. So grab a beer, settle down and check out Joe Maddon & his boys... they've been doing pretty well while you've been away.

30humouress
Jul 5, 6:09am Top

Happy new thread Joe. Thanks for the coffee and enjoy your time at home.

31scaifea
Jul 5, 6:16am Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

32Carmenere
Jul 5, 8:33am Top

Happy new thread, Joe! Looks like a very nice meet up was enjoyed by all! Powell's and the gardens are certainly on my bucket list. Hmmm, Zen and Gone, sounds like I need to put it on my TBR stack.

33ChelleBearss
Jul 5, 8:46am Top

Happy new thread, Joe! Love your meet-up photos! The Japanese Garden looks like a lovely place to sit!

34benitastrnad
Jul 5, 11:35am Top

#28
It is so good to hear from you. I have missed you on the threads. Portugal is one of the countries that I am thinking of making a base for my retirement as well. There is much to like about that country.

35benitastrnad
Jul 5, 11:39am Top

LT is the only social media thing that I do. I love talking about books and all the things that books lead a person to and this is a perfect place to do that.

I have not had the pleasure of doing a meetup in a country other than this one, but I have met some fine people through LT. It is interesting to me that there are some areas of the country that don't seem to have a strong LT presence, but a strong center in other parts of the U. S. I would like to make it to one of the LT Meetups in the Joplin, MO area that I heard about in the past. Somebody from that group posted here on Joe's thread previously and I always thought that would be a fun group to join for a Meetup. The Chicago group is lots of fun and I hope that they can continue to make a Meetup a part of their lives.

36NarratorLady
Edited: Jul 5, 11:49am Top

I see from your list Joe that June was a big Agatha Christie month for you. We're these re-reads? I ask because I've tried that a couple of times but seem to recall who the murderers are very quickly. Wish it wasn't so since I love her books.

>28 kidzdoc: >34 benitastrnad: Retiring to Portugal sounds heavenly. Great choice! Weirdly, I remember reading and enjoying Wild Swans while on vacation there.

37jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:26pm Top

>27 EBT1002: You were missed by all, Ellen. It's somebody's law - we actually went on 6/30 thinking that was the date you could make, before the big life change.

Mark and I have fingers crossed you'll be journeying to Chicagoland for a conference at some point.

>28 kidzdoc: That's a lot of LTers you've met up with, Darryl! And in a lot of countries. I suspect you have the record by a long shot. Debbi and I still talk about how we had to fly to London to meet you. :-) I'm glad the Golder's Green meetup is still tops for you.

We're waiting to hear about your September schedule to start setting things up for this year (I think you find out in a couple of weeks?) Gladys Knight and the Pips headline Proms in the Park, so we're thinking about going again this year.

38jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:33pm Top

>29 kac522: Thanks, Kathy. It's good to be back in Chicago! You're right, this heat and humidity ain't grand. I treadmilled this morning instead of our usual walk; just too muggy and crummy out.

Thanks re my dad and my reading - you'll notice the latter has been pretty much mysteries and sci-fi/fantasy for a while, and it's going to need to continue that way. Both parents gone; I'm feeling it. I've started a couple of more challenging books and thought, nope, that's not going to happen right now. Oh well.

I know, I've been following the Cubs from afar. That losing streak was dismal, but they're on fire now. And they get Kris Bryant back tomorrow.

>30 humouress: Thanks, Nina. Ha! You're welcome. I'm having some coffee right now. My head's still up somewhere in the clouds, but I'm mighty glad to be home.

39jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:38pm Top

>31 scaifea: Thanks, Amber! Now get back to packing. :-)

>32 Carmenere: Thanks, Lynda. Those are good ones to have on your bucket list. There was no way I was leaving this planet without having gone to Powell's. Now, of course, I want to go back.

I'm about a third of the way into Zen and Gone and liking it. I didn't realize the main boy character was from Chicago; he's spending the summer in Boulder, CO, and finding it quite different. The main girl character is the one into Buddhism, and she's showing him the ropes right now. A very positive review in PW is what first caught my eye.

40jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:44pm Top

>33 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle. Kim (Berly) has some good meetup photos, too. What a treat to meet her and Juli and Zoe!

The Japanese Garden was a lovely place to sit - in fact, it was filled with many lovely places to sit. It's big, and beautifully taken care of. We'd had a very active day, and the peace and tranquility felt wonderful.

>34 benitastrnad: Hi, Benita. We've missed Darryl, too, although following his Portugal adventures on LT and FB has been fun. I find the language difference a bit daunting (he's fluent in Spanish; I don't know whether he used that or picked up some Portuguese). But I'd love to go there some day, especially after hearing his and your positive reactions.

41jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:53pm Top

>35 benitastrnad: LT is easily the best social media site for me, too, Benita. I love talking about books, too (could you tell?), and there are such good people here. I don't know whether it's chicken and egg kind of thing - are people who love books naturally good people, or do good people tend to love books?

I can't remember who goes to the Joplin, MO meetups, but maybe someone will see our posts and comment.

>36 NarratorLady: The Dame Agatha reads are all re-reads, Anne. I believe the only one of hers I've never read is Curtain. I just couldn't do it. Our daughter has read that one and all the others, and likes to collect them. She's in Italy now, and was thrilled to find some Italian Agathas to bring back.

You may be better at remembering the culprits than I am. She's so good at red herrings, that often I'll think I remember whodunnit, and find she's tricked me again.

I tend not to re-read the big deal ones, because those, of course, I do remember. And Then There Were None, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, Murder on the Orient Express come to mind. Even those, however, can be fun to re-read to see how she bamboozles us.

I've found them very comforting in this current time period, when my thoughts seem to be up for grabs.

I'd like to get to Portugal, and now I'll have to look into Wild Swans. I'd like Darryl to live next door to us, so I have mixed feelings about his overseas retirement plans. But I sure understand why he's fed up with this country.

42jnwelch
Jul 5, 12:55pm Top



The trio rooting for Mexico in the World Cup. It got knocked out, as did Colombia, so now they're pulling for Uruguay.

43Donna828
Jul 5, 12:58pm Top

Lovely new thread, Joe. I understand why your feet are firmly planted in Chicago for a bit. Time to relax and reboot after the joy and sorrow of the past few months. Tell Debbi that Grandbaby trips don’t count. They are essential to the soul.

44SuziQoregon
Jul 5, 1:00pm Top

Nice photos from your Portland trip. I'm betting that staying home for a while is going to be refreshing.

45jnwelch
Jul 5, 1:11pm Top

>43 Donna828: Ha! I think Debbi would agree wholeheartedly, Donna. Grandbaby trips are essential to the soul, and don't count as travel. Both of us are very happy to have our feet firmly planted in Chicago for a bit. You're right, the last few months have been filled with joy and sorrow, and we could use some time to just process it all.

Thanks re the thread. It feels good to get on LT so much more easily now.

>44 SuziQoregon: Thanks, Juli. We loved that Portland trip, and meeting you and Kim and Zoe. But we hadn't planned for the time preceding to be so chock full of life events. Staying home is refreshing, no doubt about it.

It's weird, we had so many tasks we had to take care of for our Dad, including getting him into that wonderful hospice, and we're still dealing with the aftermath tasks, cancelling credit cards and subscriptions, taking care of financial issues, clearing out the house, making sure folks get mementos that mean a lot to them, and on and on. One result is one of my sisters and I have both been dreaming about getting administrative tasks done in connection with my Dad. Boring. Like dreaming you're doing things at work, after you've come home tired from work. As I said to her, how about we have dreams of him with some music and silliness in them? Maybe that'll come.

After our mom did we didn't have many to-dos, and I dreamed that she came and sat on the end of my bed and watched me. I could feel the weight of her sitting on it. That was better.

46streamsong
Jul 5, 1:42pm Top

I would have loved to be at Portland, but too many summer tasks going on to be able to leave my small horse (farm seems like too grandiose a word). I had hoped all mares would be safely in foal by the first part of July, but unfortunately not, and so I couldn't turn the place over and head off for the coast as much as I wanted to be there. Someday I'll make it.

47humouress
Jul 5, 2:23pm Top

>42 jnwelch: 🎶 Football’s coming home🎵🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I’m singing this while I can, where I can.

48m.belljackson
Jul 5, 6:14pm Top

>40 jnwelch:

Portugal? Isn't this the country that started the African Slave trade?

and, more recently, acted as faux neutralists, yet actual Nazi sympathizers and collaborators?

Not sure about current political scene. but,
if Europe holds a certain appeal, Denmark has a superior history of Resistance.

49benitastrnad
Jul 5, 7:10pm Top

I am reading lots of Sci/Fi right now as well. And loving it. For a genre that I came late to, I am having fun with these.

I found myself in a discussion with a friend/colleague the other day and was explaining to him that Sci/Fi and Fantasy now has an upscale tag - Speculative Fiction. He just laughed about it. He and I keep an excel file of new words and terms that actually have old meanings and he decided that he was going to put Speculative Fiction into that file.

Whatever people choose to call it, I am sure having fun with it. I intend to finish up the Illuminae Files on my trip to Kansas at the end of the month. That has been a humdinger of a YA Sci/Fi ride and I can't wait to finish that trilogy.

50kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 5, 10:14pm Top

>34 benitastrnad: Right, Benita. Portugal, especially Lisbon, is culturally diverse, with sizable populations of blacks and Asians from former Portuguese colonies, and very tolerant and open minded (which can't be said for an increasing number of people from this country). I felt more comfortable in Lisbon and Porto than in the Spanish cities I've been to, which are less diverse, more rigid and less welcoming than I would like. It's quite affordable as well, especially if you're willing to live outside of central Lisbon. I read yesterday that a nice apartment in central Coimbra, an old university town that is compared to Oxford, can be had for $70,000, which is much less than 1/4 of what I would pay for a nice condo in Midtown Atlanta.

>35 benitastrnad: LT, as you know, is essentially nonexistent in Atlanta. It has a nice presence in Boston, NYC, Philadelphia and Chicago, amongst other places, though.

>37 jnwelch: Thanks, Joe. I suspect that I've met LTers in more countries than anyone else, but I doubt that I've met more of them in person than our Great Leader, Tim Spalding.

Yes, it will probably be two weeks or longer before my group's September schedule is posted, as vacation and CME (continuing medical education) requests for the month are due by the end of today. My partner who makes the schedule lets us know when she's finished with the month that she's working on, so I'll be able to view it, make plans, and touch base with you & Debbi once my plans are in place.

Hopefully I can join you two for the Last Night of the Proms, which I see is being held on September 8th. With any luck Bianca and/or Claire can come as well.

>40 jnwelch: I'm conversant in Spanish, but definitely not fluent! My nurse and physician colleagues at work think I'm fluent, but I know better.

Now that Portugal has jumped to the top of my list of places to retire I'll visit the country more often, at least twice a year, and I'll probably spend the month of June in Lisbon next year, in order to take an intensive course in Portuguese at a university there, which deebee1 told me about last month. It's great to have two friends in metropolitan Lisbon, her and Joaquim Sequeira, a retired pediatrician, BookCrosser and owner of a Little Free Library that Madeline put me in touch with ahead of my trip. DB very kindly offered to help me find property in or outside of Lisbon once I decided to buy or rent, and I'll almost certainly take her up on her offer.

I did pick up a tiny smidgen of Portuguese when I was there, although nearly everyone spoke English fine, and I could fall back on Spanish if they didn't. As a result I was always able to communicate with the Portuguese I encountered there. I did have to use the phrase Desculpe, eu não falo português (I'm sorry, I don't speak Portuguese) on several occasions, especially when people would ask me for directions on the Lisbon Metro.

I think that you & Debbi would love Lisbon, with its pleasant vibe, great museums, restaurants and cafés, friendly people, and fabulous views.

>41 jnwelch: Yep. I'm fed up with the US, and its increasingly nasty, intolerant and racist people. This seems to be the year when women of the majority group are calling the police with alarming regularity on innocent African Americans, and I fear that one of these interactions will have a tragic outcome if this keeps up.

>42 jnwelch: Great photo! Hopefully Uruguay can defeat France tomorrow. I predicted a Brasil-Croatia final earlier this week, and I'll stick with that for now, although Brasil will have a tough test tomorrow when they play Belgium.

51msf59
Edited: Jul 5, 7:52pm Top

>42 jnwelch: LIKE!!

Sweet Thursday, Joe! Another brutal day at work, with this humidity. I actually felt nauseous a few times. Looking forward to a little cool down, this weekend but it is supposed to be back in the 90s, most of next week. Retirement is looking better and better, all the time...

You may have mentioned Tony Hoagland at some point, but I do not think I ever picked up a collection of his. Just a few poems into his latest, but I like his style. Do have a favorite of his?

52jnwelch
Jul 5, 9:46pm Top

>46 streamsong: I had hoped all mares would be safely in foal by the first part of July, but unfortunately not, and so I couldn't turn the place over and head off for the coast as much as I wanted to be there. One of the coolest excuses I've ever heard, Janet. :-)

It would have been great to see you there, but next time sounds good!

>47 humouress: I must be too dense right now, Nina. I can't figure out why you're singing that "Football's coming home", although I'm glad to have you happy and singing. What am I missing?

53jnwelch
Edited: Jul 5, 10:01pm Top

>48 m.belljackson: You seem to have knowledge of Portugal superior to mine, Marianne.

There sure aren't many countries that are historically blemish-free, as far as I can tell, mainly because they're filled with . . . humans. Maybe Denmark is an exception. For what it's worth, this article takes some jabs at Denmark: k/news/world/europe/why-denmark-isnt-the-utopian-fantasy-it-is-made-out-to-be-a6720701.html

I still love this country, despite the horrid turn it's taken. So much potential! Who knows if we can Make America Sane Again. We'll see.

>49 benitastrnad: I always thought Speculative Fiction was a pretty good name for the genre, Benita, but it's been around a long time and has never caught on. I'm glad you're having such a good time reading the sci-fi and fantasy. That was catnip for me when I was a kid, and still is. The authors used to be mostly male, but that sure has changed. Some of the hottest authors right now are Nnedi Okorafor, N.K. Jemison, Ann Leckie and Becky Chambers, and we've had LeGuin, Bujold and Sharon Lee, among others, for ages now. (Sorry I can't get the touchstones to work).

The imagination and world-building grabs me, but the good ones feature character and story in ways similar to other genres. I like to get invested in the characters and stories, and it sounds like you're enjoying that.

54jnwelch
Jul 5, 10:21pm Top

>50 kidzdoc: I think that you & Debbi would love Lisbon, with its pleasant vibe, great museums, restaurants and cafés, friendly people, and fabulous views. I passed that on to the Divine Ms. D, Darryl. It does sound great.

Brasil/Brazil looked awfully strong in that game against Mexico. Kudos to you on Croatia - I didn't see that coming. Go Uruguay!

I wish I had something hopeful or comforting to say about the current racism, including the absurd white phone calls to the police about innocent African-Americans - did you see the one about the AA woman running for office, and going door to door, who had the police called on her? Anyway, I don't have anything hopeful or comforting. I'm amazed at how the Trumpsters refuse to see what they've wrought or that he's a dangerous, inept fraud, and at how many racist incidents we're seeing happen virtually every day - which is only the tip of the iceberg for what's going on.

I'm hoping we can turn a lot of things around in November, and reassert the ideals of this country. But there is so much that needs to be done, and still will be when we're gone. I don't blame you for looking overseas. Plus that price difference for the apartment is pretty remarkable - I know many retirees look for places where they get more bang for the buck.

55jnwelch
Jul 5, 10:37pm Top

>51 msf59: Hey, buddy. Sweet Thursday! Isn't that a fun pic of Jesse, Adriana and the little man?

We've been thinking of you in this weather - nauseous, wow. It was brutal today. I treadmilled rather than take our usual walk in it.

I hope the cooler weather hangs on, and they're wrong about the heatup, as they so often are. (I've often thought being a weather person is a great job; you can be wrong most of the time, and no one's surprised).

I don't have a favorite of Tony Hoagland's books; I have at least three on the shelf, and like them all. It always helps to have a sense of humor. What Narcissism Means to Me does stick out for me, including the title poem.

56Familyhistorian
Jul 6, 1:52am Top

>25 jnwelch: Retirement is good for keeping in touch with people, isn't it Joe. I have been retired less than a year but in the last while I have visited quite a few people that I haven't seen in years.

57humouress
Edited: Jul 6, 4:23am Top

>48 m.belljackson: Dunno, but both Portugal and Denmark are out of the World Cup.

>52 jnwelch: *gasp of horror* It’s a song from way back (probably the last time England were in the quarter finals) that’s resurfacing now in a lot of memes.

58scaifea
Jul 6, 6:22am Top

Morning, Joe!

59EllaTim
Jul 6, 7:19am Top

>1 jnwelch: Happy new thread Joe! Do me a latte, if you please.

>53 jnwelch: I think you are right, not many countries are blemish free. Maybe Andorra? We Dutch have just celebrated keti koti, the end of slavery in Surinam, our former colony, where slavery was abolished just 155 years ago.

60jnwelch
Jul 6, 8:20am Top

>56 Familyhistorian: It does, Meg, doesn't it. I'm glad you're enjoying that in retirement. In the past I never could've just picked up and gone to Portland.

>57 humouress: Ha! The World Cup is what really matters, isn't it, Nina.

Ah, wow, good gasp. What was I thinking? Of course. I'll follow the links with pleasure.

61jnwelch
Edited: Jul 6, 12:40pm Top

>58 scaifea: Morning, Amber! Remember, only short breaks from packing, and drink plenty of fluids.

>59 EllaTim: Thanks, Ella. Latte coming up at the end of this.

Right, I think of the Dutch as among the more civilized people on the planet, but even they have times in the past they'd like to erase if they could.

Andorra could be one without much to regret. I know the French Resistance smuggled folks out through it in WWII.

Here you go:

62jnwelch
Jul 6, 8:39am Top

63Caroline_McElwee
Jul 6, 9:29am Top

Aww, love >62 jnwelch:. Not seeing the one above it though.

64msf59
Jul 6, 10:50am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Friday. Gorgeous day out here. Why can't we have a week of this? Would that be too much to ask for?

Hope you get out for a stroll.😀

65benitastrnad
Jul 6, 11:37am Top

I am getting sick and tired of the American attitude right now, and that Giant Orange Gasbag has given all the crazies an excuse to behave as obnoxiously as he does. On July 4th I decided to go to my favorite Alabama BBQ joint so that I could have an All-American BBQ meal by myself in my nice cool house. When I entered the place it was busy with people sitting at tables and standing around. I went to the counter to order and there was an older white man taking the orders. He very loudly told the people in line that today was Independence Day and that we should all take time to read the Declaration of Independence, had anybody here read the Declaration? I proudly raised my hand and said yes. He then continued that he would bet money that no Democrats had taken the time to read this important document.

I have decided that I am not going to take this stuff quietly any more, so I raised my hand and said that I was a Democrat and that I had read the Declaration of Independence. By this time it was my turn to place my order so I did so and put my credit card in the slot. That man looked straight at me and asked me to name one good thing that the Democrats had done for the country. There was venom in his tone and I didn't like the look on his face. He was clearly angry. I laughed and said that it was a long list, where did he want me to start? I kept that smile plastered to my face while he said to start with that (insert n word here). "Just name me one G. D. thing that African (insert n word here) did that was good for this country." I decided that it was clear that this was not a fight I wanted, so I signed my credit card slip and retreated to the door. I would have left the building, but I had already ordered. It didn't take me long to get my food for take out, but while I waited, out of sight of the man at the order counter, I noticed that several of the tables with occupants giving me pitying looks. I don't know if they were sympathetic or not, and I didn't wait to find out. I won't be going back there, but I am sure that won't hurt their business any, but the venom in that man's voice is going to take me a long time to get past.

In the last two days I have thought much about this, and it is more important than ever that I impress on the college students I work with that they MUST go and vote, or people like that man will have an irrepressible hold on this country. It has become imperative that I not let the young people of this country forget to vote, as I hope that they will be a much more forgiving and tolerant group than the ones who elected that Orange Haired Loudmouth who preaches the doctrine of name calling and invective instead of practical statesmanship.

66kidzdoc
Jul 6, 12:38pm Top

>65 benitastrnad: Wow. That is awful, and I'm sorry that you had to deal with that racist POS, Benita. Unfortunately there are likely millions of Americans who share his opinions, although they may not express them as publicly as he did. I think I'll stay ITP (Inside the Perimeter) of Atlanta and other major Southern cities as long as I reside in the Deep South, and I'll be happy to say goodbye to the United States in the next seven or eight years, if not sooner.

67m.belljackson
Jul 6, 1:00pm Top

>65 benitastrnad:

Rampant Racism in Alabama doesn't surprise me at all;
resurgence in formerly progressive Wisconsin continues to be horrifying.

Let's hope everyone's plans of action result in unity for a major change long before November.

68jnwelch
Jul 6, 1:08pm Top

>63 Caroline_McElwee: Thanks, Caroline. We were out. >62 jnwelch: should be fixed now. I don't how they do that, when they make the image go away after a certain amount of time. I'm glad you like the elephant reader.

>64 msf59: Hiya, Mark. It is gorgeous, isn't it? We were working out, so we had a bit of a stroll, but I plan to get out some more after lunchtime.

69jnwelch
Edited: Jul 6, 1:24pm Top

>65 benitastrnad: What Darryl says in >66 kidzdoc:, Benita. I'm so sorry you had to suffer through that nightmare. Is there anything more unpatriotic than using a racial slur like that? And if Obama had been white, this guy would have been talking all day and all night about how great he was - well, except gods forbid, he was a Democrat. Getting us out of the worst economy since the depression into eight years of prosperity, getting Osama Bin-Laden, getting us universal healthcare, which I never thought I'd see in my lifetime, and on and on. It's a long list. (Yes, Mr. Bigot, the Affordable Care Act that you like is the same thing as the Obamacare that you don't).

Students (and everyone else) MUST go and vote. Yes! The reason that the Republicans work so hard to restrict access to voting is because the numbers are with the Democrats (generally) if they actually show up to vote.

I was saying to Debbi, if we don't turn things around in November, I can see a mass exodus from this country. Certain people would love to live in The Handmaid's Tale, but most of us view that as a horror.

>66 kidzdoc: Yup, Darryl. Well said. I can't tell you how much I wish it were different. The Deep South is the scariest.

>67 m.belljackson: Hi, Marianne. Yes, Wisconsin keeps disappointing. I remember when Michigan went for the racist George Wallace way back when.

I'm happy with the way those resisting keep turning out in numbers and keep protesting, but the November vote is what has a chance to be a real gamechanger. That and Mueller's investigation.

70jnwelch
Jul 6, 1:53pm Top

Bargains of the Day: David Mitchell's Slade House, which I thought was really good, Childhood's End (classic sci-fi), and Language of Flowers, which my wife Debbi loved, are all available on Kindle today for $1.99.

71Berly
Jul 6, 2:55pm Top

>5 jnwelch: Joe--How can you be on post #70something in just two days?!?!? LOL It was so great to meet you and Debbi in person. Love the photos up top. And I think we had drinks in Clyde Commons restaurant. : )

72Caroline_McElwee
Jul 6, 3:12pm Top

>65 benitastrnad: adding my sadness for your experience Benita.

One of the things that shocked me about the US voting system, is how hard it physically is for everyone who wants to vote, to vote. And I'm not only talking in areas where African-Americans mainly reside, where a friend said there were much fewer voting stations than in other places, but also across the country, when you get out of the more cosmopolitan cities.

The Declaration of Independance is not being honoured. The version in your server's head is no doubt a misinterpreted version.

73NarratorLady
Jul 6, 4:46pm Top

I’ve given myself a news break this weekend but Benita’s experience and Darryl’s decision to retire outside the US makes me want to weep far more than listening to the huge orange bloviator does.

Civility is gone and sanity is awol.

74weird_O
Jul 6, 4:56pm Top

Hi, Joe. We're back in the USA, waiting for the visual reminder of what happened "previously..." Ireland is lovely, and the weather we had was sunny and warm. But it's apparently been sunny and warm too long and the government declared it was in a drought. Restrict the use of hose pipes.

Here's a fun fact that I didn't know, but maybe all you cafe operators do know. In Ireland, the brew we know as "coffee" is called coffee americano. Made by cutting espresso with hot water. Few there have Mr. Coffee-style makers.

Ah ha ha ha. I loved it. Our rooms in the Shelbourne in Dublin had Nespresso machines. The places we stayed in Connemara and Donegal had electric tea pots and packets of instant in the rooms.

We had a great time, and I'm not so sure we're glad to be back home.

75m.belljackson
Jul 6, 5:01pm Top

>69 jnwelch:

Many of us are wondering if we will live long enough to see Mueller FINALLY nail trump.

76humouress
Jul 6, 5:16pm Top

>42 jnwelch: They didn’t go for Brazil? Probably a good thing, really.

>60 jnwelch: Please learn the words. Either a) you’re going to be hearing it a lot in the next few weeks or b) it’ll be your last chance. For the next 4 years.

>73 NarratorLady: Don’t give up hope. Malaysia was looking corrupt, racist, intolerant of other religions and sliding away from first world status until the recent elections brought Mahathir back. Now things are turning around and the ex-PM is under arrest. Of course Mahathir has started his old shenanigans bickering over water rights and other minor matters with Singapore, but my husband (who is very pro-Singapore) admires him as a smart politician.

77Familyhistorian
Jul 6, 8:55pm Top

>62 jnwelch: Love the reading elephant, Joe.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the upcoming state visit to London. I see that the Mayor of London has given permission for a protest balloon to fly over Parliament during the visit. Some country leaders deserve the same respect that they give.

78AMQS
Jul 7, 1:48am Top

Hello Joe, catching up after too much time away. I am so sorry for the loss of your father. You wrote a lovely obituary.

I am at a complete loss to understand what is happening to our country. I'm afraid it's really no different than it's ever been - it's just that the current climate legitimizes the hateful rhetoric, and the news media helps the news spread, for better and for worse. Growing up as I did, in an affluent mountain community, it was so easy to assume things were great, but in college my then-boyfriend-now-husband (who is Greek, but could be anything) and I borrowed a family friend's truck - registered in Mexico, and it was an eye-opening weekend, to say the least, permanently dispelling the illusion that things were great, racially speaking. I will never forget it, though after the weekend we returned the truck and went back to being white people. It's just awful. Last year when we went back to Cyprus we made sure the girls got passports, so now 3 of the 4 of us have EU passports, and will likely look to retirement/employment outside of this country.

So grateful for this community, for so many reasons.

79jnwelch
Jul 7, 10:20am Top

>71 Berly: Hi, Kim. Don't blink; it looks like we're closing in on 80. :-)

Clyde Commons. Thanks. I just followed the gang.

What a treat to meet you in Portland. We had such a good time. It looks like you had another great meetup this weekend. You're the Meetup Queen!

>72 Caroline_McElwee: So many problems that need to be fixed here, Caroline, and the voting system is one of them. Registration can be difficult, too - in Illinois, starting in 2019, when you get or renew your drivers license, you'll be given the chance to register to vote. That should help. Each state handles it differently, and that can cause problems, particularly in ones controlled by Republicans.

You'd love (not) this one - National Public Radio this year tweeted the Declaration of Independence, in parts of course. Many Trumpsters didn't realize what it was, and were greatly offended at how NPR was going after this administration. Ha!

80jnwelch
Jul 7, 10:27am Top

>73 NarratorLady: Benita’s experience and Darryl’s decision to retire outside the US makes me want to weep far more than listening to the huge orange bloviator does.

Civility is gone and sanity is awol.


So right, Anne.

We're taking our weekly 24 hour break from politics, but I'm making an exception for this thread.

>74 weird_O: Welcome back, traveler! Ireland is so lovely. A drought - makes me think of the potato famine. Thank goodness times have changed on that one.

Cafe Americano - you can get it here, too, Bill. Not my idea of happy quaffing. Sort of like caffeinated decaf. Wait until you find out, like I just did, the difference between coffee shops and cafes in Amsterdam. Let's just say one doesn't really involve coffee.

Yeah, bad coffee doesn't matter much when you're in a locale like that. I'm glad, and not surprised, that you had such a good time. I'll visit your thread for more info, and maybe pics?

81jnwelch
Jul 7, 10:27am Top

Off with Madame MBH; see you all later on.

82FAMeulstee
Edited: Jul 7, 10:35am Top

Happy new thread, Joe, glad to see you are safe back home.
Althoug I do visit FB, LT is the place I spend the most time socialising online.

All countries have their dark days in past or present. Portugal and Spain both had a long lasting facist dictatorship. Portugal turned against the successor of Salazar in 1974 with the Carnation Revolution, and actively tried to come to terms with their past. In Spain Franco lasted longer, and installed the constitutional parlementary monarchy when he died. Spain has not delt with its past, it is still not allowed to rebury the death of the civil war or actively seek them. The recent rebellion in Catalonia also (partly) comes from not dealing with the past.

ETA:
>80 jnwelch: the difference between coffee shops and cafes in Amsterdam
LOL! Does that mean you are still planing to visit Amsterdam in September?

83jnwelch
Jul 7, 12:42pm Top

Wow, England really used its head against Sweden in the World Cup, didn't it?

>75 m.belljackson: I know, Marianne. I think we'd all volunteer to help Mueller if it would speed things up. I will say it's still been much shorter than futile investigations like the Benghazi one. Plus he's already had a lot of success - I think we're up to 18 indictments and 6 convictions (Papadopoulos, Flynn, Pinedo, Alex Van der Zwaan, Rick Gates, Jeffrey Yohai (a Manafort associate)).

I'm surprised the Dems haven't made more of Mueller's success so far, but we're all waiting (and hoping) for the biggest fish to be caught, including the Orange Bloviator.

>76 humouress: Hi, Nina. Yeah, I'm still getting to know our DIL, and I'm not sure why, but she doesn't have the warm feelings for Brazil that she does for other South American countries. Same for Argentina.

Hope about them Englanders beating Sweden and going to the semis? Woot!



84jnwelch
Jul 7, 12:44pm Top

>76 humouress: P.S. You're right about not giving up hope, Nina. If there's one thing this country can do, it's change, and quickly. Sometimes the wrong way - e.g., Obama to Trump, but sometimes the right way, e.g, Bush to Obama. I'm hoping this is a real kick in the pants for our democracy. I'm heartened by so many more women and science-oriented folks running. Now we need to vote and elect them.

85jnwelch
Edited: Jul 7, 1:03pm Top

>77 Familyhistorian: Hi, Meg. Some country leaders deserve the same respect that they give. Ain't that the truth. I hope London protests the heck out of Trump and makes plenty of fun of him (they've already got a leg up on the latter). The vast majority of the U.S. is ashamed of this guy and his rich friends.

>78 AMQS: Thanks, Anne, re my dad and the obituary. We really wanted to have the latter give a full picture of what a special guy he was, so the positive reactions to it have been welcome.

what is happening to our country. I'm afraid it's really no different than it's ever been - it's just that the current climate legitimizes the hateful rhetoric, and the news media helps the news spread, for better and for worse. I think a lot of us are worried about exactly that. I had no idea so much ugliness was hiding under rocks around our country, just waiting for a Hitler to rally them. The only positive thing I can say is it's better to have it out in the light where we can at least try to fight it. The resistance heart is beating strong, but it means little if folks don't get out and vote. We also have to address it in our every day lives, not accepting the unacceptable.

I have to admit, with the Obama era, I assumed that things were much better than they are. What a punch to the stomach this has been.

Our Latina DIL could tell you many stories about what she's experienced in this country, including Chicago on one visit, when a police officer pulled her over and wanted to search her car on suspicion of . . . being Mexican. A professor from U of Pitt. C'mon. Our hearts broke for her.

86jnwelch
Jul 7, 1:01pm Top

>82 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita.

Like you, I spend time on FB, but a lot less than here on LT, my favorite social media place.

All countries have their dark days in past or present. Yeah, that's the way I feel about it, too. Good points about Portugal and Spain. We were in Barcelona at a time when there was a fever for Catalonia to secede and be its own country. We were too ill-informed to fully appreciate the history and feeling behind it; I'm not sure years of study would catch me up on all of it.

Ha! Yes, we're still planning to be in Amsterdam in September. We're waiting to hear from friend Darryl before settling on what dates. I'll be heading to the coffee shop; Madame MBH has expressed interest in the cafe. :-)

87humouress
Jul 7, 2:59pm Top

>83 jnwelch: Yes, we kept our heads against Sweden and we’re into the semis for only the second time, I think. Of course, we did win it once. Right now it’s half time in the Russia-Croatia match. For a while, I thought we’d be meeting Russia in the semi final. I suppose we still could; we’ll see. Commiserations to your DIL. It’s Europe all the way, from here.

Good, good; I see you’re making a serious effort to get the words to the song right.

88m.belljackson
Jul 7, 3:25pm Top

>80 jnwelch:

Related to relocating outside the U.S.

(and Canada continues to sound inviting to my family once the Seal Hunts are gone),
a Google Search yields plenty of intriguing facts on:

Racism and Andorra
Racism and Denmark
Racism and Portugal

Racism and Madison, Chicago, or Birmingham, Alabama, was skipped because I know the facts all too well.

Denmark was the one that interested me because I (wrongly) remembered that Theo Van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali
had worked together there. That was The Netherlands.

What came up instead was that Denmark would not be a good place to locate if you are a political cartoonist.

89jnwelch
Edited: Jul 7, 3:40pm Top

>87 humouress:. I was trying to make a pretty pathetic pun about England winning by scoring two headers, Nina. Now you see what my poor family has to live with.

Thank goodness your link had that crib sheet for the complicated lyrics.

>88 m.belljackson:. Thanks, Marianne. Racism, tribalism - at some point it’s going to be obsolete and primitive, but not in our lifetimes or our kids’, unfortunately.

I have added admiration for Theo Van Gogh and his wife, and what they did for all of us, after reading Vincent and Theo.

90FAMeulstee
Jul 7, 4:06pm Top

>89 jnwelch: I think Marianne ment an other Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film director who was murdered in 2004.
Hard to keep those Dutchies apart ;-)

91m.belljackson
Jul 7, 4:26pm Top

>89 jnwelch: >90 FAMeulstee:

Yes, while Vincent's savior brother is incredibly memorable, it was his descendent who worked with Ali.

His commitment, like his namesake's, makes him a hero.

92Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Jul 7, 4:34pm Top

>88 m.belljackson: >90 FAMeulstee: Ian Buruma's book on this, Murder in Amsterdam is very fine.

93jessibud2
Edited: Jul 7, 10:12pm Top

>65 benitastrnad:, >85 jnwelch: -

What happened to Benita, and to your daughter-in-law, Joe, is just horrible. I want to say that if it were me (in Benita's instance), I would cancel my order and walk out, taking my business elsewhere. But if I saw that these people were carrying guns, as so many in the States can (and do, in some places), I know I would be too terrified to act on that impulse. Because it sounds like anyone who can speak like that in a public place, would have no qualms about pulling out a gun if you disagreed with them or challenged them. I couldn't live like that.

I broke a promise to myself last month not to enter the States until trump was gone. I went with my mum to visit my brother who lives in Vermont. We were only in the States for under 48 hours but still. So, I have decided that my next course of action is to not buy anything that comes from the States. Which, by the way, is incredibly difficult. Not just products, but food, and so many other things. As a Canadian, it is really my only way to protest, that I can see. I don't have a vote there so my money will have to be my vote. I am not naïve or delusional enough to think that *my* boycott will make one iota of difference to the economy but it will make me feel better.

I only wish that the rest of the world would grow a backbone and unite to boycott everything he is slapping insane tariffs on. Surely if the rest of the world would come together and show him that he can't intimidate; that we can do business with other countries and not rely on the States, that might count for something. The problem, as I see it, though, is that he CAN and DOES intimidate the rest of the world and that's the pity of it. He is such a blow-hard, so full of himself, I wish someone would stick a pin in him and let all the (foul hot) air out.

And since you mentioned Hitler, I don't even want to get started on the whole episode of a few weeks ago regarding the separating of children from their families. If this isn't the most Nazi thing he has done, to date, I don't know what is. Someone needs to put HIM in a cage with lights on 24/7 and separate him from his beloved twitter account. I am not trying to be funny, just to point out how cruel he is. And with complete glee and full knowledge. How his wife can still remain with him is beyond belief. And pretend to speak for and represent him in such a case. Despicable. I have almost as little respect for her as I do for him.

>88 m.belljackson: - And Marianne, sadly, Canada cannot be absolved of total guilt when it comes to discrimination. Our own history with our indigenous people is shameful and not yet even close to resolved. Though, that said, I can't actually think of any other place I would rather be living at the moment. Though perhaps it might be elsewhere in this country. My province of Ontario just elected (though NOT with my vote!) as its premier, an honest to goodness baby trump. doug ford is almost as inarticulate and certainly more ignorant than trump. And (so far, fingers crossed), not as powerful though don't tell him that. He just got sworn in last week and already he is doing back-door deals and firing people left, right and centre. Sigh......

94brenzi
Jul 7, 10:03pm Top

>93 jessibud2:. Living in a border city (Buffalo) that attracts lots and lots of Canadian shoppers it’ll be interesting to see if they give up shopping here and stay home in protest. Our local economy benefits tremendously from their visits but that won’t matter to Trump because he didn’t win our electoral votes and he’s the most vengeful human being I’ve ever encountered. But it will matter to store and restaurant owners as well as gas station owners. Trump is destroying our country bit by bit and I worry for my grandchildren who may never grow to appreciate the country I knew.

Joe, way up there you and Mark briefly spoke of the poet Tony Hoagland. I wasn’t familiar with his work but I belong to a writer’s group and last month our writing prompt was Hoagland’s poem “The Word” and I was stunned by its beauty. I’ll be looking for his books.

95jessibud2
Jul 7, 10:11pm Top

>94 brenzi: - I feel almost guilty about my decision. My dad was American and I have a lot of American relatives and it feels uncomfortable to feel so at odds with our neighbours. But as you say, this administration is pure evil and I think every person needs to decide for him or herself how and what they can do to protest and express their opposition. As one person, I know my decision won't hurt anyone but it's something I feel I have to do. I am a bit embarrassed to admit (living in Toronto since 1980), that I have never been to Buffalo. Money is the only thing that trump cares about (besides himself) and if his economy suffers by others protesting and boycotting, then he has no one to blame but himself (not that he would). I still feel for the small business people. But I also feel for everyone else here and in other countries who will suffer because of his recent moves.

Sigh...

96EBT1002
Jul 8, 12:02am Top

Hi Joe. I share your sentiments about what is happening in our country and the gut-punch that was also the wake-up call we got almost two years ago now. I have friends and colleagues of color who have, perhaps understandably, been frustrated by my naiveté, saying that they knew what was under the rock and behind the curtain. Reading the essays, and especially the "pre-essays" in We Were Eight Years in Power has given me greater insight and empathy in this regard. It's been an eye-opening couple of years. I hope hope hope we get out the vote in November; it may be our only hope. My sister has expressed despair for the survival of our democracy. I have to say that I share her fear.

Oh, and in books. I started reading The Overstory by Richard Powers. Wow. I think it is headed for my best-of list for the year.

97humouress
Edited: Jul 8, 1:40am Top

>89 jnwelch: :0)

ETA: The lyrics are a bit tough, Joe, but I'm sure a seasoned LTer like yourself will have no issue with them.

>95 jessibud2: Maybe I am being naive but I think the administration is not so much ‘evil’ as idiotic though it may be driven by pettiness - rather than maliciousness. Not very much difference on the ground at the moment, I appreciate, but the goal is not the unrelenting horror there have been in other cases. Though the boundary line may be thinning.

98Familyhistorian
Jul 8, 1:27am Top

>85 jnwelch: It is scary what has crawled out from under a rock since your last election, Joe. Hopefully sanity will soon assert itself.

99kidzdoc
Jul 8, 5:08am Top

>69 jnwelch: Even though Atlanta is the state capital practically everyone here agrees that it's not part of the "real Georgia" (insert scary rebel yell and Confederate flag here). I can't remember the exact percentages, but IIRC less than 1/4 of Atlanta's residents were born in the city, and less than 1/3 were born in the state. In my group of ~30 physicians the Pennsylvanians (3) outnumber the Georgians (1), and more of us attended Big Ten schools (Rutgers, Michigan, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin) than Southeastern Conference schools (one lonely UGA alumna) as undergraduates. These figures change dramatically once you venture OTP, Outside the Perimeter, with the Perimeter being I-285, the roughly circular interstate highway that separates (protects?) Atlanta and its closest suburbs from the rest of the state. Most people who live ITP, Inside the Perimeter, rarely venture OTP; I'm fond of saying that the only time I travel OTP is on Delta, and considering that I've only been OTP by car twice in the past five or more years, versus dozens of times on airplanes, that's nearly a true statements. OTPers are far more likely to go to events or jobs ITP, but many if not most of them get out ASAP.

That pattern is, of course, not unique to Atlanta, and it also reflects a cultural divide that is seen in many other major cities in relation to the states they are in. Metro Atlanta is often described as a spot of blue in a sea of red, as the city is very liberal and diverse, whereas most of the rest of the state is deeply conservative, mostly white, and far more likely to hold opinions about Barack Obama that match the man in the BBQ restaurant who Benita encountered.

I am somewhat hopeful that the same thing that happened to the Tories last year will take place here in November. Teresa May's decision to call a snap election, in order to gain more power by increasing the number of Conservative members in Parliament, backfired on her, as the Tories lost 13 seats while Labour gained 30, and the Conservatives lost their outright majority as a result. Young voters turned out in far greater numbers than they did for the Brexit vote, and hopefully American millenials and others will flood the polling stations in November.

100jnwelch
Jul 8, 9:35am Top

>89 jnwelch:, >90 FAMeulstee:, >91 m.belljackson: Oops. I forgot about the second Theo Van Gogh. Thanks. That was a sad one.

Off with Madame MBH. Catch up with you all later.

101ChelleBearss
Jul 8, 9:44am Top

Happy Sunday, Joe! Hope you and Madame MBH are enjoying your weekend!

102humouress
Edited: Jul 8, 10:39am Top

>99 kidzdoc: We lived in NY, NY for a couple of years at the turn of the century (gosh doesn’t that make me sound Victorian?) and I remember feeling it was very different from the way the rest of America comes across on the TV though, of course, that’s a massive generalisation. But I get the feeling what you experience in Atlanta is the trend in the major cities?

As for the Tories, never wish for what you want; we seem to be neither here nor there with Brexit, with neither a clean nor easy exit. I don’t think we should be leaving the EU but now that we’re stuck with it, better to make it as painless as possible.

103m.belljackson
Edited: Jul 8, 11:04am Top

>93 jessibud2:

and JOE - Were you off to the The Dan Ryan?!>?

The ghosts of Daniel Berrigan, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, Rosa Parks, and a host of others have risen in support!!!

104jnwelch
Jul 8, 11:56am Top

Bargains of the Day: On Kindle, Dracula for $.99 (parts of it are awkwardly structured, but it was way better than I expected - deserves its classic status); The Songlines by Bruce Chatwin - my favorite of his; so good; and lots of Cadfael mysteries for $1.99 (I never got hooked on them, but plenty of people love this series).

105msf59
Jul 8, 12:02pm Top

Morning, Joe! Happy Sunday. I did make a run to the Arboretum, for about 2 hours. I have to take advantage of a cooler A.M. jaunt, since it does not always coincide with my day off. Now, the rest of the day, with be kicking back with the books. Smiles...

Have a great Sunday, my friend.

106jnwelch
Jul 8, 12:12pm Top

>93 jessibud2: Thanks for these heartfelt comments, Shelley.

I know, it's tough to balance personal safety against standing up to what's wrong. I come out in favor of safety, if the situation is questionable. Let folks know you disagree if you can, but don't risk your health and life. Others would probably go further - and a younger me might have, when I thought I was immortal. Now I take a longer view, figuring a me alive and well has value in resisting.

Our DIL extricated herself from a very scary situation with the biased cop by staying calm and rational, and allowing him to do his job where it was reasonable, and declining where it was not. Still scares me to think about it.

I think Trump is getting smacked by other countries for the tariffs, and he's going to have more and more pressure here to back off. Canada has already cleverly struck back, and China is starting to. A trade war with China - there's a bad idea for you. He can bully countries that don't have the leverage to fight back, but that kind of alienation has its own cost. And an awful lot of countries do have the leverage to fight back.

Believe me, I'm ashamed and sometimes despondent that he was elected, and that he's causing problems everywhere but Russia. His supporters love at least two things: he appears to them to be an authoritarian strongman (which they're susceptible to), and he drives liberals crazy. They delight in that second one.

Some think his separating children from their parents was him test marketing for how much Nazi behavior he can get away with. The political cost got too high, and he backed off. But many parents and children are still separated, and the ICE idiots have some children where they don't know who their parents are or how to locate them. This happened in our country? He should be impeached and forced to resign for this one alone.

I've read the sorry news about your Doug Ford. This kind of nonsense is happening in so many places, and my first thought is, even Canada?! The harm from allowing these kind of people to be voted in, or to rise to power, is all too obvious, isn't it. Are we going to respond, or have too many say, my life is good enough day to day, I can't be bothered.

107jnwelch
Jul 8, 12:23pm Top

>94 brenzi: Good to hear about Tony Hoagland, Bonnie. He's a poet well worth exploring. Now I'll look for which one of his is The Word.

I know. I can't blame people from other countries for not wanting to come here while Trump is President. But I wish blameless areas like Buffalo didn't have to get penalized for it.

>95 jessibud2: Money is the only thing that trump cares about (besides himself) . Well said, Shelley. The Congressional ethics officer resigned because Trump was ignoring all conflicts of interest and ethical breaches. He's making as much money as he can from this presidency, and trying to help his rich friends who can help him. Did Putin convince Trump to destroy America? I wouldn't be surprised if Putin framed it as good personal advice and conned the con man.

We all understand your dilemma. I don't know what I'd do if our roles were reversed. Would I boycott Canada, or only the parts of Canada that supported the awfulness?

108jnwelch
Jul 8, 12:32pm Top

>96 EBT1002: Hi, Ellen.

It's been an eye-opening couple of years. Wow, hasn't it. One I underestimated doesn't directly come from Trump: the racist harassment, too often fatal, by too many of our cops. Like you, friends of color had been telling me about it for a long time, but videos and investigations and better media coverage have shown what a widespread national horror it is.

Like you and your sister, I fear for our democracy. I cannot believe some of the candidates being put forward on the Republican side, and the tolerance of that party's supporters for what is so disgusting. George Will is one prominent conservative who is now urging everyone to vote Democrat. We need more of that, and a big turnout.

>97 humouress: Thanks, Nina. I'd sure rather have Canada's political climate right now than ours.

When did we last have a President here that we could admire? Oh yeah, two years ago. It feels like forever.

109jnwelch
Jul 8, 12:46pm Top

>98 Familyhistorian: I sure hope so, Meg. It does remind me of the Chris Rock joke: "All of you who used to hide your racism? Please go back to doing that."

I do think it's better to see the enemy and be forced to deal with it. What may be the most discouraging for me is seeing how many the enemy of our ideals numbers - far more than I had any idea existed here.

>99 kidzdoc: Hi, Darryl.

I am somewhat hopeful that the same thing that happened to the Tories last year will take place here in November. Teresa May's decision to call a snap election, in order to gain more power by increasing the number of Conservative members in Parliament, backfired on her, as the Tories lost 13 seats while Labour gained 30, and the Conservatives lost their outright majority as a result. Young voters turned out in far greater numbers than they did for the Brexit vote, and hopefully American millenials and others will flood the polling stations in November.

I'll take hope anywhere I can get it. Weren't we supposed to make this a better place for the young voters? Now they're being asked to save us from corrupt old people. Collectively, we've got plenty to be ashamed of.

Yeah, when I said "deep South" I thought of you and Atlanta, which is so different. There are oases of rationality in red states, mostly major cities, as you say. Illinois is largely red, too, with Chicago blue.

The cultural divide - how much of it is educational divide? I know the right's disdain for "the elitists" came up a lot in the election, and Hillary's "basket of deporables" comment, however accurate, was turned against her.

Trump is such a disaster for blue collar workers and those at the margins, but so many of them still view him as their beloved leader. He takes from them and gives to the rich, and they applaud him for it. Maybe they're just tired of being looked down on by those seeking to help them, and love the con man for persuading them that he doesn't look down on them.

110jnwelch
Jul 8, 1:08pm Top

>101 ChelleBearss: Happy Sunday, Chelle.

It's funny, we're doing a lot of talking about the dire political situation here, and despite that, Madame MBH and I have been having a most excellent weekend. The weather here has been gorgeous, and we've spent a lot of time outside enjoying it.

Our daughter is in Italy, and has dedicatedly made sure to find delicious gelato every day. So last night, in her honor, we ate outside at an Italian restaurant (gnocchi - delish), and then went down the street to a local gelato joint for cones (mine was some kind of cinnamon swirl on top with a scoop of salted caramel below - yum). The cashier took a photo of us enjoying our gelato that we sent to Becca, and she loved it.

I hope you and your lovely family have been enjoying the weekend, too.

>102 humouress: Ha! "at the turn of the century": love it, Nina. Very Victorian. I like to mention things Madame and I did in the last century for the same reason.

I wonder what the Brexit vote would be if it were held now? Anti-immigration sentiment, lack of knowledge of what Brexit really entailed, and disbelief among many that it would ever be passed, all seemed to play a role back then.

111jnwelch
Jul 8, 1:16pm Top

>103 m.belljackson: Hi, Marianne. We were not there for the Dan Ryan protest, but it was impressive. You're right, there's a history of (ultimately) successful protest here, and it's good to know ghostly luminaries are rising in support of the current ones.

>105 msf59: Morning/afternoon, Mark! We took a good walk and sat out outside at Starbucks, then took our bags of books and stuffed one of the Little Free Libraries by us. I've been on our deck LT'ing since then.

I just finished Alif the Unseen, which was a really good Muslim fantasy, I guess is one way to describe it. I'm going to try to get back to doing some short reviews - Kings of the Wyld deserves one, too.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday, and kicking back and reading, my friend.

112jnwelch
Jul 8, 2:02pm Top

Chelle's question about how the weekend was going, and someone's mention of Tony Hoagland's poem The Word, combined to make me want to post the latter after tracking it down. Among our duties, pleasure is a thing that also needs accomplishing.

The Word

Tony Hoagland

Down near the bottom
of the crossed-out list
of things you have to do today,

between “green thread”
and “broccoli” you find
that you have penciled “sunlight.”

Resting on the page, the word
is as beautiful, it touches you
as if you had a friend

and sunlight were a present
he had sent you from some place distant
as this morning—to cheer you up,

and to remind you that,
among your duties, pleasure
is a thing,

that also needs accomplishing
Do you remember?
that time and light are kinds

of love, and love
is no less practical
than a coffee grinder

or a safe spare tire?
Tomorrow you may be utterly
without a clue

but today you get a telegram,
from the heart in exile
proclaiming that the kingdom

still exists,
the king and queen alive,
still speaking to their children,

—to any one among them
who can find the time,
to sit out in the sun and listen.

113m.belljackson
Jul 8, 3:49pm Top

>92 Caroline_McElwee: >100 jnwelch:

The reviews for Murder in Amsterdam were scary and I know Theo Van Gogh is only a hero
in a certain limited sense and that Ayaan Hirsi Ali got fairly conservative on some issues,
but went ahead and ordered a $3.63 Very Good copy on Abe. I'll read it slowly.

114weird_O
Jul 8, 4:29pm Top

What hasn't gotten much notice is the visit of 7 senators and 1 rep, all GOP, only the rep facing re-election in November, to Moscow on July 4. And Putin snubbed them. At the same time, the senatorial report on the 2016 election was released, and it concludes that the Russians did meddle and did help Trump win the Electoral College. It's becoming more and more evident that the GOP is the Party of Putin.

115Caroline_McElwee
Jul 8, 4:59pm Top

>113 m.belljackson: This was my review Marianne:

I think this is a book for anyone who wants to make a serious attempt at understanding the complexities of 21st Century multi-cultural life. Buruma is as non-judgemental as it is possible to be, instead he meets and interviews a number of people from all perspectives of the issue and sets out their feelings. He also sketches in the backgrounds of the key players in the specific incidents that occurred in Amsterdam and led to the murder of Theo Van Gogh.

He allows you at least see some of what lay behind some behaviour. To say what I found, would in some way defeat the object of this book, which is to allow its readers to come to their own stance or at least their own path of understanding. But if there are resolutions to be found, and there are, to the choppy seas of modern multi-cultural co-existence, then books like these are a very good starting point. I know I shall re-read this book with more rigour in the months ahead.

116benitastrnad
Edited: Jul 8, 6:51pm Top

I enjoyed reading Alif the Unseen a few years ago. The mixture of Muslim and Middle Eastern mythology was very well done. I got the same feeling from reading The Golem and the Jinni with its mixture of several different kinds of Middle Eastern mythologies. I like the idea of having fantasies of this type in my reading line up. Along with diversity, they bring a freshness and vivacity to the fantasy genre.

117benitastrnad
Edited: Jul 8, 6:56pm Top

I have been enjoying my latest book in the “speculative fiction” genre. Revenant Gun by Yoon Ha Lee has thrown some plot surprises at me that have made reading it great fun and wonderful entertainment. This is turning out to be one smart author with lots of surprising ideas for plot twists. I found his web site and that cleared up some of the confusion I had about what was going on with the universe he had created. I hope that someday you can get back to this series and we can talk about this angle of “speculative fiction.”

118m.belljackson
Jul 8, 7:03pm Top

>115 Caroline_McElwee:

Thank you! I'll update in coming months.

119jnwelch
Jul 9, 8:15am Top

>113 m.belljackson: Our true crime aficionado daughter might be interested in this one, Marianne. I hope it's a good read for you.

>114 weird_O: Right, Bill. It's ironic, isn't it, that those Congressmen would visit Putin on Independence Day. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a stronger reaction to that, and to all the Russia meddling revelations.

120jnwelch
Edited: Jul 9, 8:24am Top

>115 Caroline_McElwee: Good review, Caroline. It sounds intriguing.

>116 benitastrnad: I'm glad you enjoyed Alif the Unseen and The Golem and the Jinni, Benita. Me, too. I agree - they bring welcome diversity to the fantasy genre, and freshness and vivacity. I feel the same way about Nnedi Okorafor's books that bring in African folklore and culture.

121jnwelch
Jul 9, 8:28am Top

>117 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. I'm glad you're enjoying the Yoon Ha Lee series, and appreciate the encouragement. I probably will get back to the series at some point. I did like that first one, Ninefox Gambit.

>118 m.belljackson: :-)

122jnwelch
Edited: Jul 9, 8:29am Top



Matisse

123ffortsa
Jul 9, 11:29am Top

Lovely Matisse, Joe - a real soother in this thread of necessary conversations.

>109 jnwelch: Maybe they're just tired of being looked down on by those seeking to help them, and love the con man for persuading them that he doesn't look down on them. I think this is very pertinent. Liberals have a habit of thinking they understand the problems of people who really need help, and don't often consult those people themselves. (Unconditional cash disbursement experiments are of interest - in Africa, at least, people have taken the cash and materially improved their situations in housing, entrepreneurial efforts, etc. wtihout anyone telling them what they needed. They know.)

And emotionally, of course, Trump's language and affect are definitely relatable to people who might feel dissed by someone articulate such as Obama. Whether or not he would ever shake their hands, he seems to be one of them. It's very powerful.

124msf59
Jul 9, 11:34am Top

>122 jnwelch: LIKE!

Morning, Joe. I will come back and read the Hoagland poem. Warm out here but hoping the humidity remains comfortable. Have a good Monday.

125ChelleBearss
Jul 9, 11:53am Top

Italian food and gelato sound like a great way to spend the evening! Hope you managed some lovely conversation that didn't involve he who shall not be named.
Hope Becca enjoys her vacation!

126humouress
Jul 9, 12:11pm Top

>123 ffortsa: Trump’s language is relatable? I find it takes a lot of hard work to make any sense from all he says. He talks a lot, but it’s repetitive and he doesn’t actually seem to say anything with it.

127jnwelch
Jul 9, 3:26pm Top

>123 ffortsa: Isn't that a lovely Matisse, Judy? Good word for it - it is a soother.

Right, it's possible to (want to) help others without looking down on them, isn't it. To me that was one of the biggest failings in Hillary's campaign - she didn't reach out to the blue collar workers, many of whom voted for Obama and "change", and show them she had them in her heart. Even though I'm sure she did, and much more so than the orange blowhard.

But drumpf does reach out, con-man-style, shaking their hand and smiling while picking their pocket. And they (many of them) love him for it, because they think he's showing them respect and listening to them.

We're talking about liberals showing respect for the individual, listening to them, not reaching conclusions without consulting them, as you say. I hope the next prez candidate sees the importance of this.

Right, the guy who was handed his money by his father comes across to them as "one of them." As drumpf said, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him. Pointing out that that he lies about his accomplishments (he's setting records, he's so great), lies about whatever makes him look bad (e.g., separating children from their parents was somehow due to a nonexistent "Democrat law"), tries to take credit for what Obama did (e.g., the economy and jobs), and tries to blame Obama for what drumpf has done wrong (over and over), goes nowhere. They don't want to hear it. He wants his followers to listen only to him; anything negative anyone else says is "fake news." And we're all amazed that they let him get away with it.

So many of them love that he upsets liberals. For many, that's the best part, isn't it.

128jnwelch
Jul 9, 3:36pm Top

>124 msf59: I'm glad you liked the Matisse, Mark. You'll enjoy the Hoagland poem; Debbi wants to put it on our refrigerator. Bonnie suggested it.

I hope you're doing okay in this heat-up. It was nice in the shade today, but tough in the sun. A guy at the gym mistakenly had his shirt on inside out and, when he realized it, said, "Of course. It's Monday."

>125 ChelleBearss: Ha! We were in our weekly 24 hour period of not discussing any politics, Chelle, including he who shall not be named, so we did have a lovely time at the Italian restaurant talking about all sorts of other things. We're pretty good about that anyway - we're coming up on 35 years married, and still enjoy spending time together and just shooting the breeze.

Becca is having such a great time on her vacation! If you can catch her posts on FB, I highly recommend them. Lots of photos. It was Pompeii and Herculaneum in the last couple of days, and she loved both.

>126 humouress: You're absolutely right, Nina - but that's because you're bothering to think about what drumpf says. His followers don't bother. It's like a pep rally - a few buzzwords, a lot of nonsense, and they eat it up. He knows how to con them, and how to get his ego stroked. It's a sad state of affairs.

129jessibud2
Jul 9, 3:46pm Top

>128 jnwelch: - Have you seen the cover of the latest TIME magazine? I caught a glimpse of it in the grocery store while waiting in line, this afternoon. They got it, in a nutshell. *shuddet*

Good to hear that Becca is enjoying her vacation. I have not been to Italy but we have a terrific gelato place here in Toronto that I LOVE to go to...:-) I can only imagine how good it must be at its source!

130jnwelch
Jul 9, 3:57pm Top

>129 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley. Do you mean the Supreme Court one with the empty seat, waiting for him to fill it? Or the one before with the crying little girl looking up at him? Both are nightmares, aren't they.

Becca has been raving about the gelato, and the Italian food she's been eating. Madame MBH and I were there about ten years ago now (feels more like 4 or 5!) and really ate well there, too. When you combine it with walking all day, it manages to not double your weight. She's been hitting 25,000 Fitbit steps a day - I'm flabbergasted by numbers that big.

131LovingLit
Jul 9, 4:13pm Top

>109 jnwelch: Maybe they're just tired of being looked down on by those seeking to help them, and love the con man for persuading them that he doesn't look down on them.
Astute comment, Joe. I think there is something in that. It is somewhat of an confusing situation, when it seems so clear he is duping everyone.

132jessibud2
Jul 9, 4:51pm Top

>130 jnwelch: - Oh, I just tried googling and couldn't find the cover I saw. It's the one of the little girl looking up at him (or, as I instinctively interpreted it, him looking down on her...). Ugh.

I used to have a pedometer that clipped onto my waistband of my pants but it stopped working and it seems all that's available out there these days to count steps is all high tech. I am not anti-high, just dinosaur-like in my grasp of it all. I don't much like the idea of everything being connected to everything else and all I want is to count. my. steps. Of course, if I weren't so lazy, I would just force myself to get out there and walk every single day and forget about the numbers. I think what I need more than anything is a little bit of accountability… ;-)

133msf59
Jul 9, 6:17pm Top

"Resting on the page, the word
is as beautiful, it touches you
as if you had a friend

and sunlight were a present
he had sent you from some place distant..."

^Yep, that is lovely. I like how Hoagland can go from light to dark, in his poetry. I really like his work. Thanks for sharing.

134m.belljackson
Edited: Jul 9, 10:14pm Top

>132 jessibud2:

I remember reading that there are X number of steps in a mile and wrote it down on last year's calendar.

Then counted the number of steps from my front door around the driveway and out to the closest intersection, wrote that down,
and did the same for couple of locations until there were several choices adding up to a mile and I no longer had to count steps.

This works great until you factor in Wisconsin's 6 month winters and the recent heat waves and stifling humidity!

135banjo123
Jul 10, 12:32am Top

Love the sunlight poem, Joe!

Also feeling despondent about US politics. You are right that every country has it's black marks. What we liked about Portugal is that people were aware of their past and trying to rectify it. (they actually have a memorial to victims of the inquisition.) Plus, you have to love a country that has a Carnation Revolution to overthrow their dictator.

136jnwelch
Jul 10, 8:24am Top

>131 LovingLit: Right, Meg? Maybe all of lot of them want is their pick for Supreme Court justice, as the Supreme Court is so important here, regardless of who makes it. drumpf just nominated him; I don't know whether the Dems can hold off Congressional confirmation. Is there a conscientious, moderate Republican with guts out there any more?

>132 jessibud2: Yeah, Time magazine is really nailing it with the covers. Of course, the underlying reason why (drumpf) is about as sad as it gets.

Fitbits are pretty basic; you might find it easier than you think. The problem for me with those old pedometers is they either didn't work or stopped working pretty quickly. I don't wear a Fitbit, but I enjoy hearing from Madame MBH that we've made 10,000 or whatever. I will say that my "mental Fitbit", e.g. what I think we've walked, always runs significantly higher than the reality. :-)

137jnwelch
Jul 10, 8:34am Top

>133 msf59: Isn't that a lovely Hoagland poem, Mark? He skillfully gets an important message in there, too.

>134 m.belljackson: Ha! Right, Marianne. Many years ago we got a treadmill for those weather extremes, and it's held up well. We are thinking about replacing it now.

>135 banjo123: Oh good, Rhonda. Isn't that sunlight poem a special one. Kudos to Bonnie for bringing it to our attention.

I'll have to look up the Carnation Revolution - I didn't know (or remember) that one. I sure love the thoughts it conjures up. Right, what system is being used and steps taken today to make the country decent and civilized, and what are the people (in general) and mores like. I sure like what I hear about Portugal from Darryl and you and others.

Ah, no shots fired, and carnations put into the muzzles of guns. Love it!

138jnwelch
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Jacques de Loustal

139Familyhistorian
Jul 10, 6:38pm Top

Happy Tuesday, Joe! It has been a while since I saw a typewriter like in the picture above.

140EBT1002
Jul 10, 11:21pm Top

Have you read The Overstory? Have we had this conversation? :-)

141scaifea
Jul 11, 6:24am Top

Morning, Joe!

142jnwelch
Jul 11, 8:16am Top

>139 Familyhistorian: Ha! I was thinking the same thing, Meg. Who knew a typewriter would become a museum piece? Do they even teach typing classes these days? Do kids just learn to use the keyboard on their own? I can't remember if our own had a class on it or not.

>140 EBT1002: Hi, Ellen. We kinda sorta did. I read his The Goldbug Variations and admired it, and was going to watch what you thought of The Overstory. How are you liking it?

>141 scaifea: Morning, Amber!



143jnwelch
Edited: Jul 17, 1:05pm Top



We opened a new part of the cafe out back

144msf59
Jul 11, 11:10am Top

>138 jnwelch: >143 jnwelch: LIKE!!

Morning, Joe. It looks like we have a typical warm summer day, today. I am really surprised how much I am enjoying Sugar Money. If you ever get an itch for some rousing historical fiction, keep this one in mind.

145Caroline_McElwee
Jul 11, 12:13pm Top

>143 jnwelch: I'm taking my book and my cookie and my aperitif over to that part of the cafe Joe.

146jnwelch
Jul 11, 1:23pm Top

>144 msf59: Hiya, Mark. I'm glad you like those.

I know nada about Sugar Money, so I'll be watching for your comments. I do like rousing historical fiction!

>145 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! I'll join you there, Caroline. I need to pick out a new book, having just finished Children of Blood and Bone. (It was pretty good).

147jnwelch
Jul 11, 2:09pm Top

Bargains of the Day: The Mists of Avalon (great) and The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie (many fans) are both $1.99 on Kindle today.

148Caroline_McElwee
Jul 11, 5:05pm Top

>146 jnwelch: I just started Richard Powers's The Overstory because of Ellen's enthusiasm. Only a few pages in and loving it.

149benitastrnad
Edited: Jul 11, 10:43pm Top

I finished Revenant Gun by Yoon Ha Lee and loved it. There were plot twists aplenty that kept me reading and reading and reading. This was Sci/Fi to take you completely out of your head and to some other universe. Thanks for putting me onto the first book in this trilogy, way back when.

150ChelleBearss
Jul 12, 8:47am Top

>128 jnwelch: I actually don't have Becca on FB, I should rectify that! Glad to hear she is having a great time!

151jnwelch
Jul 12, 9:06am Top

>148 Caroline_McElwee: Thanks, Caroline. It's on my radar. I started a re-read of Dame Agatha's What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw.

>149 benitastrnad: Good to hear, Benita. You're welcome! Now you're putting me back onto Yoon Ha Lee's series.

>150 ChelleBearss: Oh yeah, Chelle, you'll want to follow the adventures of Becca on FB. She also teaches pre-school during the school year, so you'll enjoy her posts on that.

152jnwelch
Edited: Jul 12, 9:13am Top



Street Art by Levalet

153jnwelch
Jul 12, 1:01pm Top

Bargains of the Day: Dakota: A Spiritual Geography by Kathleen Norris (great book) and The Mysterious Benedict Society, a fun middle-grade novel, available on Kindle for $1.99.

154m.belljackson
Jul 12, 2:31pm Top

>142 jnwelch:

We still have an UNDERWOOD STANDARD No. 5 typewriter upstairs - just love to look at it!

155jnwelch
Jul 12, 2:56pm Top

>154 m.belljackson: :-) A collector's item now, Marianne. I know, fond memories come up for me when I see one.

156DeltaQueen50
Jul 12, 11:21pm Top

Hi Joe, I've finally returned home after a quick road trip and a visit with my family on Vancouver Island.
It's so sad and frustrating to read about Trump and his minions, I fear the U.S. is becoming a difficult place for resonable, forward thinking people. It's scary for the rest of the world as however the U.S. goes, so goes the rest of us.

157Familyhistorian
Jul 13, 12:03am Top

I hope you are enjoying The 4.50 from Paddington, Joe. I like that one. I think I will join the cafe patrons out on the patio. It looks inviting.

158Berly
Jul 13, 1:29am Top

>143 jnwelch: I'll be over tomorrow afternoon--it's too hot here and no breeze!! ; ) Actually, it's only supposed to be 90, but I'll still visit.

159humouress
Jul 13, 4:30am Top

>156 DeltaQueen50: Don't worry; I hear he's in the UK, blasting Theresa May out of the water. Surely he realises the US needs some allies? Unless he's relying on his bestie, Putin.

(oops, sorry Joe. Too political? I'll remove it if so.)

160jnwelch
Jul 13, 8:32am Top

>156 DeltaQueen50: Welcome back, Judy. I'll visit your thread for reports on your visit to Vancouver Island. We were there when the kids were younger, as part of a visit to Vancouver. We loved, of course, the Butchart Gardens near Victoria.

I know, we're all just trying to survive these Trump years with as little damage as possible. It's a wakeup call here never to let this happen again, but we still have to suffer through these four years - and he gets to run for another four. It's a bad feeling to have let down the rest of the world like this. He's a disaster, as is Congress right now. We get a chance to improve the latter this November. We'll see.

>157 Familyhistorian: Thanks, Meg. I still like the old title of What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw, which is the title under which I first read it, but that seems to have disappeared into the mists of history. I did enjoy the re-read very much. Lucy is a good character, isn't she. But who does Lucy marry? Miss Marple knows the answer. :-)

161jnwelch
Jul 13, 8:43am Top

>158 Berly: Doesn't >143 jnwelch: look like a great place to be on a hot day, Kim? I'll join you there.

>159 humouress: Never too political, Nina, so no worries there. As I've mentioned before, it's a cafe as far as I'm concerned, so talking about anything is A-OK (and we're all great at keeping it civilized). You're so right about Trump; the only ally he really cares about is Putin. I can't believe his supporters put up with that; what happened to the days of our worrying the most about Russia. Trump also likes the human rights trampler in the Phillipines, Dutarte, but that guy has no global influence.

I think it's sadly hilarious that Trump is avoiding London, where the protesters and ridicule are out in force.

162jnwelch
Edited: Jul 13, 8:45am Top



Butchart Gardens, Vancouver Island

163jnwelch
Edited: Jul 13, 2:17pm Top

Bargain of the Day: Lord Peter Views the Body, 12 Lord Peter short stories, for $1.99 on Kindle.

Is Song of the Dodo good? It's available for $2.99, and I'm tempted.

P.S. The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society is also available for $1.99.

164ffortsa
Jul 13, 1:54pm Top

Thanks for the bargain alerts, Joe. I just bought the Dakota book for my Kindle.

165jnwelch
Edited: Jul 13, 2:18pm Top

>163 jnwelch: Oh good, Judy. I'll be interested to hear what you think of the Dakota book when you get to it.

166Ameise1
Jul 13, 4:19pm Top

Happy weekend, Joe.

167humouress
Jul 13, 4:35pm Top

>162 jnwelch: Gosh - were those colours that vivid when you were at the gardens or is that the saturation (or whatever the correct photographic term is)?

168johnsimpson
Jul 13, 5:01pm Top

>143 jnwelch:, Would love to pay a visit to the café Joe, looks a great place to chat, read and have a drink, we would both love this.

Hope you and Debbi have had a good week mate and wishing you both a lovely weekend and send love and hugs from both of us to you both.

169jnwelch
Jul 13, 6:32pm Top

>167 humouress: To me it (>162 jnwelch:) looks accurate, Nina, as amazing as that is. They're some of the most beautiful gardens I've seen.

>168 johnsimpson: Thanks, John. Wouldn't >143 jnwelch: be a great place to hang out? Hugs and love back to you and Karen; hope you have a lovely weekend, too.

170msf59
Jul 13, 7:01pm Top

>162 jnwelch: It is on my bucket list!

Happy Friday, Joe. I wasn't around much on LT today, since I got very little reading in yesterday and I was trying for a little catch-up. I finished the excellent bio, Shadow Catcher. I have read many books about the Native American experience, but it never fails to break my heart, how absolutely awful these people were treated and Egan brings up more gut-wrenching examples.

Nest up is Trigger Warning, which I know you and Amber recently enjoyed. I think Gaiman narrates the audio, which is always a special treat.

I am also nearly done with Priest Turned Therapist Treats Fear of God: Poems. What an impressive introduction to Hoagland. I love finding a poet that I can really relate to. Keep this one in mind.

171scaifea
Jul 14, 8:29am Top

Morning, Joe!

172The_Hibernator
Jul 14, 11:29am Top

Beautiful picture of Butchart Gardens, Vancouver Island!

173jnwelch
Jul 14, 12:50pm Top

Thanks, Mark, Amber and Rachel.

I had a medical procedure with twilight anesthesia this morn, so I'm spacier than usual. I'll catch up with you all either later today or tomorrow. All is well, and I don't have to go back for 10 years. Woot!

174Berly
Jul 15, 1:45am Top

Glad you got whatever it was out of the way for another 10 years. See you tomorrow!

175humouress
Jul 15, 5:41am Top

That's okay, Joe, we didn't notice ;0)

Feel well soon.

176ChelleBearss
Jul 15, 8:07am Top

>162 jnwelch: What a beautiful photo of Butchart Gardens!

Glad you got that thing out of the way for 10 years! Hope you felt less spacey at the night wore on!

177jnwelch
Jul 15, 10:58am Top

>170 msf59: Hiya, Mark. You'll love Butchart Gardens and that part of the world. Beautiful.

Shadow Catcher sounds mighty good. You're right about the mistreatment of Native Americans.

What a great way to experience Trigger Warning. I love Gaiman as a narrator. I still need to read his Fragile Things at some point.

The new Hoagland is definitely on my WL. I'm glad you're connected with him now.

>171 scaifea: Hiya, Amber. Nice new Pemberly-like digs you've got going on your thread. :-)

>172 The_Hibernator: Isn't that a beautiful photo of Buchart Gardens, Rachel? I can remember being there like it was yesterday.

178jnwelch
Jul 15, 11:03am Top

>174 Berly: Thanks, Kim. Old guy inspection and clearance. They gave me twilight anesthesia, which doesn't wallop you like general, but still left me spacy. A good night's sleep and I'm A-OK again.

>175 humouress: Ha! No chance of my getting big-headed around here, Nina. :-) I actually get a kick out of it when folks just keep going here while I'm away. I do feel fine now, thanks.

179jnwelch
Jul 15, 11:05am Top

>176 ChelleBearss: Buchart Gardens is so beautiful, isn't it, Chelle.

I feel much improved, thanks. My wife like to tease me that it's hard to tell when I'm feeling spacey, given my normal absent-minded state.

That 10 years was great news - due to family history, I was on a 5 year turnaround before that.

180jnwelch
Edited: Jul 15, 12:05pm Top



The Four Seasons Garden , located in a suburb of Walsall West, England, and owned by self-taught gardeners Tony and Marie Newton. Not one I've been to - I wonder whether any of our British friends have been.

181jnwelch
Edited: Jul 15, 12:04pm Top

Amazon is going book-crazy today.

Bargains of the Day: For $2.99 on Kindle:

The Yellow Birds (great book), Life of Pi (great book), The Namesake (great author - haven't read this one), Hidden Figures (great book), Snow Falling on Cedars (great book), The One Hundred Year Old Man Who Climbed Out the Window (Madame MBH and I enjoyed), All Creatures Great and Small (great book), Room and I Capture the Castle (I liked - has many fans).

For $1.99, Mystic River, Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk (good 'un), Cheaper by the Dozen (classic beloved by Madame MBH), and Call the Midwife (many LT fans of the tv series).

182msf59
Jul 15, 12:14pm Top

>181 jnwelch: Loving all the bargain notices. A great bunch. I have several of these on my "keeper" shelves. I also loved The Yellow Birds, Mystic River & Billy Lynn's.

Happy Sunday, Joe. Did a couple of chores this morning, now, I want to curl up with the books. Ridiculously hot outside, so I no more going out there.

Enjoy your day.

183jessibud2
Edited: Jul 15, 12:21pm Top

Of those bargain books, I can recommend The Namesake, and Snow Falling on Cedars, though both were read and enjoyed many moons ago. I just recently purchased all 3 books in the Call the Midwife series. I am among those hooked on the PBS series but haven't read the books yet. I did read another by the author, Jennifer Worth, called In the Midst of Life and it was excellent (nf)

Congrats on the 10 years. I also got the 10 years, and hope it stays that way!

184jnwelch
Edited: Jul 15, 12:30pm Top

>182 msf59: Isn't that a great bunch of books, Mark? That's the best I've seen for the bargains, although I wish more of them were the $1.99.

We got out and walked early, dropping off some of our books at a Little Free Library (we've got many around us now - great to see). We're heading to the White Sox game soon - I'm going to have to take a brow-wiper of some sort; you're right, it's hot today.

>183 jessibud2: So many good ones on that bargain book list, Shelley. Good to hear the recommendation for The Namesake. It's been a long time for me for Snow Falling on Cedars, too, but what a good one.

Thanks - congrats back to you. It ain't pleasant (mainly the prep), so 10 years is much appreciated, isn't it.

185Caroline_McElwee
Jul 15, 1:38pm Top

I've started dropping off books to a little community book box too Joe, we were doing the same thing this morning. I had brunch at the café the box is attached to. It was good to see all the books I'd left about ten days ago had been claimed.

186weird_O
Jul 15, 1:57pm Top

Ah, Joe. You are sooo calm. The world is nuts. The TBR is about to collapse atop me. Can I get a cuppa joe, Joe? Just what I need to chill.

I might get a tattoo. I've always disliked them; never saw anything I wanted indelibly inscribed upon my body. But this...

187humouress
Jul 15, 2:07pm Top

>178 jnwelch: Oh,no! I meant we didn’t notice your spaciness, not that we didn’t notice your absence. Oops.

>180 jnwelch: I want one. Except it wouldn’t work in this climate anyway.

188msf59
Jul 15, 2:21pm Top

Hey, have a great time at the Sox game, Joe. Keep cool. I am going to stay right here, in the Man Cave, with the books and watch the Cubs game, a bit later on.

189charl08
Jul 15, 2:35pm Top

Hey Joe - did you spring for any of the amazon deals? Or did I miss that?
I've not been to the Walsall garden - looks beautiful though!

190ffortsa
Jul 15, 5:45pm Top

I started reading Snow Falling on Cedars years ago, but found it so upsetting I put it down. When I mentioned that to my therapist and asked him if it got any easier as it went along, he looked down and shook his head. I never went back.

191jnwelch
Edited: Jul 15, 6:22pm Top

>185 Caroline_McElwee: Great (book) minds think alike, Caroline. :-) I love the way the Little Free Libraries have taken off here, and I'm glad you have the same kind of thing. We've found a number of good ones for Becca's pre-school class in ones around here.

>186 weird_O: Great tattoo, Bill. I look forward to a photo of it on you.

I got a tattoo of a star on my arm when I was in my 20s, when hardly anyone I knew had one. Times sure have changed. I added another a few years ago when I got the original re-colored (they fade if enough years pass by).

A cup of joe? You came to the right place.

192jnwelch
Jul 15, 6:26pm Top

>187 humouress: Ha! My wife would say the same thing, Nina. Very tough to notice a spacey guy is even spacier.

>188 msf59: We had a mighty good time at the White Sox game, Mark. They won 10-1, and cloud cover kept it reasonably cool in the stands. Sorry about the poor choice of beverages. :-)

The Cubbies were winning, last I saw. Stay cool in that Man Cave.

193jnwelch
Jul 15, 6:32pm Top

>189 charl08: The one I sprung for was Lord Peter Views the Body, Charlotte. A re-read for me, and a fun one so far. Most of those I have in hard copy.

That Walsall sure looks beautiful, doesn't it. I'll have to find out where exactly that is. We like to take trips out of London when they're manageable.

>190 ffortsa: Too bad, Judy. I didn't find Snow Falling on Cedars upsetting; its atmosphere really worked for me. I'm sorry you had to steer clear.

194jnwelch
Jul 16, 8:18am Top



Artist Unknown

195jessibud2
Edited: Jul 16, 9:09am Top

>194 jnwelch: - Oh, I LOVE this one! Reminds me of the collage-type illustrations that the English/Australian author/illustrator Jeannie Baker does. If you have never seen any of her books, go check in your library. Her work is exquisite. Some titles that I own, and my 3 very favourites, are: Where the Forest Meets the Sea, Window and Mirror. Once you see her work, you will understand why the pic in >194 jnwelch: brought her to my mind immediately.

Here is her website, if you want to explore a bit: https://www.jeanniebaker.com/

196Familyhistorian
Edited: Jul 16, 12:18pm Top

>160 jnwelch: I never saw the title What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw before as I am a British/Canadian reader, Joe. (I had to look it up to see what you were reading.) Another example of the US marching to their own drummer. Hmm, they seem to be doing that a lot lately, don't they? Hope your Monday is going swimmingly.

197weird_O
Jul 16, 1:53pm Top

Did you toast the Mueller Team and Mr. Rosenstein upon the announcement of the Russian indictments? The indictment itself is replete with remarkable detail. I think it is clear warning for every Republican. As NYT columnist Charles Blow wrote yesterday: "Simply put, Trump is a traitor and may well be treasonous."

198jnwelch
Jul 16, 2:23pm Top

>195 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. I'm glad you love >194 jnwelch:, and I'll check out Jeanie Baker's work. Thanks for the tip!

>196 Familyhistorian: The U.S. has had different titles for many of Dame Agatha's books for as long as I can remember, Meg. (I don't know of any other author where that was done as much). Often I like the original titles more. I have to admit, this time I thought What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw was the original UK title, and 4:50 From Paddington the more boring (IMO) USA title.

Our daughter, on her trip in Italy, has been busily collecting Italian editions of various Agatha mysteries - she's a major Agatha buff.

I just finished a re-read of Death on the Nile, and I'm now re-reading some Lord Peter stories by Dorothy L. Sayers in Lord Peter Views the Body.

199jnwelch
Jul 16, 2:25pm Top

>197 weird_O: I was thrilled by the news of Mueller's Russian indictments, and if I'd had you here, would've joined you in a toast.

Good for you for reading the indictment. I only got snippets from news reports. More please, Mr. Mueller. Can he get all the way to the Oval Office?

200weird_O
Edited: Jul 16, 3:21pm Top

>199 jnwelch: I read a 30-page article by Jonathan Chait in New York magazine, published a week for the indictments were made public, that traces Trump's associations with Russia, beginning in 1987. Chait argues that the nature and pace of revelations tend to obscure the thread. He connects the dots. And drops some interesting tidbits, such as the "pee tape" (allegedly) shows the Russian prostitutes peeing on the very bed that Obama slept in during his visit to Moscow, not on Trump. And that Manafort's long association with Russian oligarchs has informed him very graphically what will happen to him and conceivably his family members if he turns state's evidence.

And as this information piles up, one wonders how long the GOP will betray our nation.

Charlie Dent, our (GOP) congressman, who lives only a few miles from me, threw in the towel and resigned from office just recently. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. He wouldn't leave the party; he left his constituents.

A link to the indictment: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

A link to Chait's article: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

In his short book On Tyranny, one of Timothy Snyder's "lessons from the 20th century" (#11) is "Investigate." [The emphasis is the author's.]

Figure things out for yourself. Spend more time with long articles. Subsidize investigative journalism by subscribing to print media. Realize that some of what is on the internet is there to harm you. Learn from sites that investigate propaganda campaigns (some of which comes from abroad). Take responsibility for what you communicate with others.


ETA: I posted this here, Joe, because you are open to such, and because your thread gets traffic.

201johnsimpson
Jul 16, 3:23pm Top

>191 jnwelch:, Hi Joe, I have nine tattoos, four on each arm and one on my butt. I had the first done when I was sixteen on holiday in Blackpool, mum didn't speak to me for three days, lol. I had one re-coloured a few years ago and it is already fading again and it is not out in the open all the time as it is at the top of my left arm. I want one more, I have always wanted a Japanese Geisha but not found the right design, hopefully Amy will help me out with that one now. All my Tattoo's are tasteful and I don't regret them, they are a part of me. I had Karen's name on one before we were married as I knew it would be ok.

Hope you had a good weekend mate and have a good week ahead.

202laytonwoman3rd
Jul 16, 4:56pm Top

"I think it is clear warning for every Republican." The Big Chief Republican clearly didn't hear it.

203NarratorLady
Jul 17, 7:30am Top

>200 weird_O: I read Chait's article. Chilling. It read like "All the President's Men".

All Americans should read it.

204Carmenere
Jul 17, 8:25am Top

Hey Joe, just stopped by to check out the new part of the cafe. I've brought plenty of books so I might be there till frost is on my nose. :0)

205Crazymamie
Jul 17, 8:28am Top

*joins Lynda* Morning, Joe!

206jnwelch
Edited: Jul 17, 9:13am Top

>195 jessibud2: I can see why you enjoy Jeannie Baker, Shelley, and why >194 jnwelch: reminded you of her work. I had a good time perusing some of what she's done.

207jnwelch
Jul 17, 9:37am Top

>200 weird_O: Good stuff, Bill. I sure hope Manafort turns state's evidence.

The Chait article sounds revealing. Thanks for the link to that and the indictment. This Trump-Putin relationship is ridiculous - are the Repubs really going to stand for this? I know many of them are making noises of disgust, but will they do anything? Experience indicates they'll be cowards once more.

I thought On Tyranny was terrific. Filled with good advice for these times we're in.

>201 johnsimpson: I had no idea you had that many tattoos, John. Photos of you that I've seen don't show them. I lucked out, in retrospect, as I was several sheets to the wind when I got mine, but had very little money. I was eyeing much larger tattoos, but could only afford the smallish star in the end. And in the long run, that was a good thing. :-)

A Japanese Geisha? That could be beautiful if well done. You're smart to make sure you find the right design.

It makes me think of The Garden of Evening Mists. If you haven't read that one, it's great, and it would fit your reading of whopping long books.

It was a good weekend, thanks, and so far so good this week. Our beloved daughter just arrived back from Italy, so we're being regaled with tales of her trip. I hope you have a good week, mate.

208jnwelch
Jul 17, 9:48am Top

>202 laytonwoman3rd: The Orange Bloviator is still siding with what Putin says to him over all the evidence and all the findings of U.S. Intelligence, isn't he, Linda. More and more it looks like he's a Russian agent who was instructed to screw up this country in as many ways as possible.

It may be, as many think, that Putin does have very damaging information to blackmail drump with. I also think Trump is trying to set up long term business interests with him, and puts them ahead

>203 NarratorLady: Good for you for reading the Chait article, Anne, and for the strong endorsement of it (to add to Bill's). I'll make a point of reading it.

>204 Carmenere: I think we're going to need to expand that >143 jnwelch: part of the cafe, Lynda. We're all wanting to hang out there, proprietor included. "I might be there until frost is on my nose." LOL!

>205 Crazymamie: Morning, Mamie! *joins Lynda and Mamie*

209EllaTim
Jul 17, 9:56am Top

>208 jnwelch: It's all pretty weird isn't it? Putin and Trump shaking hands, being big friends. At the same time Trump has been warning other NATO countries to up their spending on military goods (to be bought in the US of course). So he's been acting for reconciliation and for armament at the same time!? Can I ask why?

210jnwelch
Edited: Jul 17, 10:00am Top

A different angle on the new back area of the cafe.

211jnwelch
Jul 17, 10:02am Top

>209 EllaTim: Ha! You can ask, Ella, but I sure can't answer, other than drumpf wants to divide and antagonize wherever he goes - except Russia.

212EllaTim
Jul 17, 10:20am Top

I've just been worried about his agenda for quite some time, seemed like he was trying to provoke everywhere he went. Sigh, following the news with some trepidation.

213msf59
Edited: Jul 17, 11:01am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Tuesday. Glad to have normal summer weather back. I can deal with this.

Just finishing up Trigger Warning. If you recall, the last story, features Shadow. This should make a nice finish.

>210 jnwelch: LIKE!

214m.belljackson
Jul 17, 12:31pm Top

On Tyranny is great.

Yet, with kids (!) leading marches against gun violence,

and The British (!) demonstrating to Americans what a difference a graphic balloon can make,

and with Republicans refusing to censor their president,

and with lame Democrats refusing to unite and do anything to combat treason and to reunite those kids!

and with Mueller making a painstaking case that is seemingly taking forever and which is just ignored the next day,
(no matter how many are indicted and imprisoned, more spring up)

and Etc.,

a solid Plan of Action for NOW is needed.

We can put our faith in November, but that is a long time away given our country's wholesale sell-out.

Meanwhile, the Fascists and Nazis gain in strength while we all go about business as usual.

What's The Plan? What's our UNITED Platform to move ahead and not just sit around reacting to the latest horrors...?

215jnwelch
Jul 17, 12:56pm Top

>212 EllaTim: Yeah, that's it, Ella. Here a lot of us have to give ourselves time off from politics, because with drumpf it's something awful every day. Madame MBH and I take 24 hours off every Friday night - Saturday night, after lighting the Shabbat candles.

>213 msf59: Morning, Mark. We've really been enjoying the nice day; I picked up 6 GNs at the library, and took Becca out for Starbucks coffee. She got back last night, and is still thrilled that everything here is in English. :-)

Yeah, I'm a Shadow fan, too. Sounds like you've enjoyed Trigger Warning - good! I've got Fragile Things waiting for me.

Re >210 jnwelch:: Right? I'd be happy to hang out there for a long time.

216jnwelch
Jul 17, 1:01pm Top

>214 m.belljackson: Hi, Marianne. All good points! I'd love to hear what the plan is.

Many of us feel stymied in terms of much practical action before November, although getting the vote out will of course be critical, and steps toward that can be taken ahead of time. Support resistance folks in the primaries before then; I'm glad to see more women and scientists running for office. I think showing up for marches and protests continues to be important; these yahoos need to know how we feel about their actions and inactions. On our local community levels, there remain many ways to get involved.

217jnwelch
Edited: Jul 17, 1:07pm Top

Bargains of the Day: The whole, most excellent Fiona Griffiths series is on sale, from $.99 for the first to $1.99 for the others. Start with Talking to the Dead.

Six Wakes, a very good sci-fi-er, is $1.99 today.

218humouress
Jul 17, 3:52pm Top

>210 jnwelch: I’ll be in the hot tub, thanks Joe. Could I get a tropical cocktail to go along with it please?

219Whisper1
Jul 17, 4:20pm Top

>180 jnwelch: WOW! What an incredible garden. It certainly pales to my efforts.

Where did you find that bargain of the day? What an incredible find!

220jnwelch
Jul 17, 6:30pm Top

>218 humouress: Ha! Good thinking, Nina. Here you go:



I wonder who first thought of putting those little umbrellas in there?

221jnwelch
Jul 17, 6:33pm Top

>219 Whisper1: Isn't that an amazing garden in >180 jnwelch:, Linda? I love our back garden, but this one is in a league of its own, isn't it.

I liked the Fiona Griffiths books so much I signed up as a follower of the author Harry Bingham. So he's the source of the tip on those amazing bargains. Such a good series! He also apologized for having gotten distracted from writing the next one by a writer's group project dear to his heart. So no date yet on when we might see it.

222humouress
Jul 17, 10:27pm Top

>220 jnwelch: Thanks Joe. Beautiful view.

223Crazymamie
Jul 18, 8:12am Top

Morning, Joe! You are reminding me that I need to get back to Fiona - I am ready for book four, I think.

224jnwelch
Jul 18, 8:18am Top

>222 humouress: Ha! You're welcome, Nina. It's good to daydream inside beautiful views, isn't it.

>223 Crazymamie: Morning, Mamie! Fiona and Ruth Galloway are two of my favorite new sleuths. Great series, both of them.

225Crazymamie
Jul 18, 8:23am Top

>224 jnwelch: Yes! I love Ruth, and sadly, I am all caught up with her. Now I wait...

226jnwelch
Edited: Jul 18, 8:24am Top

Our sweet daughter, during her trip to Italy, got me Italian versions of two of my favorite books, Pride and Prejudice and Kafka on the Shore.



Love them! I don't speak/read Italian beyond a few tourist phrases, but since I know these books well, it's fun to read how they're expressed in a much more effusive, musical language than English.

227jnwelch
Jul 18, 8:24am Top

>225 Crazymamie: You and me both, Mamie. Madame MBH still has a few Ruth books to go.

228karenmarie
Jul 18, 9:20am Top

Hi Joe! I'm back home after 3 weeks, back to husband, kitties, my own bed, etc. I'm also back to oppressive humidity and wish I had the dry heat of Montana here in NC.

The service for your father sounds wonderful, with great stories, great company, and great food. Bravo.

I'm a member of Harry Bingham's email list, too, and am glad to hear that he's back in the saddle, so to speak. Sigh. Perhaps next year for #7?

229weird_O
Jul 18, 9:22am Top

Saw your granddad on the TV a couple of nights ago. Anatomy of a Murder. Went to YouTube to watch the clip of his crucial exchange with Joe McCarthy.

Huzzah!!

230msf59
Jul 18, 11:04am Top

Morning, Joe. Happy Wednesday. Another beautiful day out here. I am really enjoying my current reads. Calypso is wonderful and Beautiful Music has been a very nice surprise. This one might speak to you, as well. It really conjures up a lot of great childhood memories, especially around music, which I was also infatuated with. You might like the Michigan setting too.

231drneutron
Jul 18, 6:28pm Top

Murakami in Italian. Weirdness abounds... 😀

232Familyhistorian
Jul 18, 9:38pm Top

You remind me that I need to get back to the Fiona Griffith series. I only read book one. So many books so little time especially when I am trying to read reserved library books quickly before they come due. I did sneak in an "In Death" read though.

233LovingLit
Jul 19, 4:57am Top

>226 jnwelch: very nice!

(PS this is Megan, formerly Ireadthereforeiam)

234humouress
Jul 19, 5:27am Top

>233 LovingLit: No it's not! Don't believe her! It's an imposter!

(Sorry - I couldn't resist. I finally gave in to the temptation - after holding out for a long time.) ;0)

235ffortsa
Edited: Jul 19, 11:58am Top

>224 jnwelch: I favor Ruth and Fiona myself. I've been devouring the Ruth Galloway series while recovering from the plague (i.e. the common cold - sure) and I think I've finished #8. Not that many more left (boo).

>216 jnwelch: It's tough to have much of a personal effect on voters in key states if you're surrounded by blue in your own, as I am. But I did rejoin the League of Women Voters, an organization which makes a big push to register voters and get them to the polls without being partisan about it.

I do think Democrats can do a lot of harm by being too antagonistic. That might work for the people who would vote for Democrats if we could only get them to the polls, but for people in the middle, or people on the fringe of Trump die-hards, it can trigger an aggressive push-back. If the Dems stick to the policies and programs and problems they want to affect, and leave the ad hominem attacks out, they might be more persuasive. I see Beto O'Roarke came out with a call to impeach Trump today - it may hurt him more than help him in Texas.

(I hope this isn't considered a rant better suited to my own thread.)

236jnwelch
Jul 19, 12:56pm Top

>228 karenmarie: Welcome back, Karen!

That sounded like a most excellent time you had in Montana. That's a beautiful part of the country.

It was a wonderful service for my father, thanks. He was not religious, so we just made it up as we went along, and the story-sharing was special for everyone.

I share your sigh. I thought Harry would've been working on the new Fiona book all this time. I sure hope we see it next year. It's a problem I'm so familiar with - I can't resist racing through a series like this, but then I get caught up and have to wait, wait, wait for a new one.

237jnwelch
Jul 19, 1:07pm Top

>229 weird_O: Huzzah for the granddad! Cool, Bill. Isn't Anatomy of a Murder a great movie? What a cast. JNW (the original) got a Golden Globe nomination for his turn as the judge.

His exchange with McCarthy was epic, wasn't it? It crystallized all that was wrong with McCarthy and his followers recklessly running roughshod over people's lives. If you ever get a chance to see the hearings documentary called Point of Order, it's well worth the viewing. This was the first televised Senate hearing in this country, and people across the map were glued to the tv (as I've been told many times by folks who match the name!)

>230 msf59: Sweet Thursday, buddy! I'm catching up, as you can tell.

I don't know Beautiful Music; I'll have to find out more on your thread. Sedaris is a national treasure, isn't he.

>231 drneutron: You know how I love it when weirdness abounds, Jim. :-)

Weirdness translated from Japanese into Italian - the mind boggles.

238jnwelch
Jul 19, 1:12pm Top

>232 Familyhistorian: You know I'm a pushover for that in Death series, Meg. Can't wait for the next one to come out.

I've enjoyed the Fiona series so much; you've got a bunch of topnotch reading ahead of you!

>233 LovingLit: Isn't >226 jnwelch: a sweet gift, Megan? Yes, I've pretty much gotten over the shock of your name change. Maybe I'll switch to "Nakata", a character I loved in Kafka on the Shore.

>234 humouress: Ha! I've been tempted, too, Nina. We've known Megan so long as IreadthereforeIam. This LovingLit person seems just as nice, though.

239jnwelch
Jul 19, 1:20pm Top

>235 ffortsa: Ruth and Fiona - so good. I'm glad you're enjoying the two series, too, Judy.

Right, it's so much fun reading them, but then you finish the last available one and have to wait. *taps foot impatiently*

On voting, I start with the basic proposition that if we have a huge voter turnout, that greatly favors the Dems, as we generally have the numbers. I also don't think anyone is going to dissuade hardcore drumpsters. Elaine Soloway has a good comment that I'll post here at some point - drumpf is making sure to pander to them in every way possible.

I completely agree that the Dems should stick to the policies and programs and problems they want to affect, and leave the ad hominem attacks out. The blue collar types that support drumpf and the Repub agenda feel they're defending cherished beliefs, and attacks just cause them to dig in deeper. Trying to understand them and address their concerns is a lot better way to go about this - especially since drumpf and the Repubs are only taking care of the extremely rich.

240jnwelch
Jul 19, 1:21pm Top



Rafa in tummy time working on his neck strength, with furry beasts nearby.

241kidzdoc
Jul 19, 1:27pm Top

242Crazymamie
Jul 19, 2:07pm Top

>240 jnwelch: So sweet! Thanks for sharing, Joe!

243Caroline_McElwee
Jul 19, 4:02pm Top

>240 jnwelch: in that photo I can really see Debbi across the eyes Joe.

244jnwelch
Jul 19, 4:03pm Top

>241 kidzdoc: Hi, Darryl. Right? I hope you get to meet the little guy some day.

>242 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie. He's a sweet one, that Rafa. You're welcome! I'm pretty restrained compared to Madame MBH. Most of Chicago has now seen pics of him thanks to her. Friends, strangers, people working the counter, they all must want to see how cute he is, right?

245jnwelch
Jul 19, 4:04pm Top

>243 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! I'll tell her, Caroline; she'll love that. Our DIL is convinced that from the eyes up he looks like me, but his mouth is from her side.

246NarratorLady
Jul 19, 5:23pm Top

>240 jnwelch: Such a cutie! I think I see a hint of a dimple in that right cheek, no? Like Madame MBH, I am extremely adept at making sure the wider world sees photos of my grand babies. It’s pretty much part of the grandparent job description! And cell phones (as much as I curse them in other respects) make our “job” so much easier!

247msf59
Jul 19, 5:32pm Top

>240 jnwelch: LOVE IT!

Sweet Thursday, Joe. Looking forward to my 3-day weekend. If the weather cooperates, I plan on getting out to hike/bird tomorrow and then we have a family function on Saturday, all the way out near Galena. Always nice to see some of the extended family, though.

Funny, you mentioned Kevin Young, over on my thread. I just saw that collection at the library. I will return. And I am picking up Portugal, which you recently recommended. I appreciate the GN and poetry recs.

248brenzi
Jul 19, 6:53pm Top

>240 jnwelch:. Look at those little fists Joe. I love it.

249kidzdoc
Jul 19, 7:29pm Top

>244 jnwelch: I would love to meet the little guy! I am long overdue for a visit to Pittsburgh, as I have been back since I graduated from Pitt in 1997. One of my dearest classmates and I have been talking about getting a group together for a weekend meet up there, as I missed our 20th year reunion last year, so I'll have to touch base with Jill to see when we can make it happen.

250mdoris
Jul 19, 10:03pm Top

Hi Joe, This is my first time visit to your amazing thread. I'll be back!

251Ameise1
Jul 20, 3:54am Top

Happy Friday, Joe. Cute Rafa photo.

252scaifea
Jul 20, 6:22am Top

Morning, Joe!

Oh, Rafa is such a cutie-patootie!

253charl08
Jul 20, 8:27am Top

>240 jnwelch: Love this picture, adorable.
The Italian translations look fascinating - will you read them all the way through, do you think, or dip in and out?

254jnwelch
Jul 20, 8:29am Top

>246 NarratorLady: Isn't he, Anne? :-) You may be right about the dimple; he's a round-faced little guy, but a dimple would put his bubbe over the moon, I imagine.

Ha! You and Madame MBH would hit it off, I'm sure - she likes looking at photos of young 'uns as much as she enjoys showing them. You're right, having a zillion on the cell phone makes it easy. And videos - if anyone could wear out a cell phone watching and re-watching videos of their grandkid, Debbi could.

We get him, and his parents who we kinda remember, next month on a visit. Right now he's visiting his abuela and abuelo down in Texas while Adriana works on finishing the edits on her book.

255jessibud2
Jul 20, 8:35am Top

>240 jnwelch: - Adorable. Those fists (and that *look*) seem just about ready to grab some of that tempting beard, just out of reach.....

256jnwelch
Jul 20, 8:35am Top

>247 msf59: Happy Friday, my friend. Sorry we couldn't join you for Morton Arboretum. We'll get it to work one of these days. A three day weekend - excellent!

Yeah, the Kevin Young collection is really good. There's a surprising number of sports-related poems in it. Those are pretty rare in my poetry-reading experience (except on the YA level), but he's got a bunch, and they're well done.

I'm about halfway through Portugal; it's not a shorty, but I like its different approach.

You're probably at the Arboretum or heading there soon - enjoy!

>248 brenzi: Ha! He's always moving those little fists, Bonnie. He's mesmerized all of us. Can't wait to see him next month.

257jnwelch
Jul 20, 8:39am Top

>249 kidzdoc: I forgot you have that strong Pittsburgh connection, Darryl. We'll make it work some day - I know Jesse and Adriana would love meeting you. The little guy's down in Texas for now, while Adriana works to finish that book after getting the publisher's edit suggestions.

>250 mdoris: Hi, Mary. Welcome! I'm glad you found us, and look forward to seeing more of you around these here parts. :-)

258jnwelch
Jul 20, 8:51am Top

>251 Ameise1: Hi, Barbara. Thanks - we're rather fond of that little Rafa, as you probably can tell.

>252 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

Isn't he? We're completely impartial, but I have to agree with you on that one.

>253 charl08: Isn't that guy with the hat adorable, Charlotte? Wish we could post videos here - there's one with him and the little dog Maleta that's ridiculously cute.

Ha! My Italian is limited to Buon Giorno, Prego, Mi scusi, and that kind of thing. There seem to be a lot of words I don't recognize, so it's going to be a dip in rather than straight through.

I do find it amusing to see the British and Japanese names amid the Italian. "La mattina Mrs. Hurst e Miss Bingley avevano passato qualche ora con l'ammalatache piano migliorava, e in serata Elizabeth aveva raggiunto gli altri in salotto."

259jnwelch
Jul 20, 8:54am Top

>255 jessibud2: Ha! So right, Shelley. I'll bet son #1 is going to have to deal with beard-pulling soon enough. He (son #1) used to love to yank on the stretchy band for my watch back when he was a wee one. And both of them would go for my glasses.

260ChelleBearss
Jul 20, 9:03am Top

>240 jnwelch: Aw, so sweet!

261SuziQoregon
Jul 20, 12:54pm Top

I like the new back extension of the cafe. Wish I was there today. Actually today isn't too bad since I'll officially be on vacation as of about 3:30 this afternoon. We're headed over to the coast for all of next week. Yay!

240 Such a cutie!!

262jnwelch
Jul 20, 1:38pm Top

>260 ChelleBearss: Right, Chelle? I know you can relate. :-)

>261 SuziQoregon: Hi, Juli. Thanks re his cutesomeness Mr. Rafa. "On vacation as of about 3:30 this afternoon" - great! Enjoy your time on the coast.

263humouress
Jul 20, 3:05pm Top

>240 jnwelch: Gosh, he’s growing fast!

>254 jnwelch:...who we kinda remember... Yeah, I’ve been on the receiving end of that one ;0) Actually, I think we get to see my parents more often because of their grandkids. I think they fly in twice a year instead of once.

Another writer in the family?!

264msf59
Edited: Jul 20, 6:31pm Top

Happy Friday, Joe. A married birding couple, that I have befriended joined me at the Arboretum. We had a good time and finished up before the showers came. They showed me a new prairie spot on the west side, that I really like. This place offers so much.

Hope you are having a good day.

ETA: I hope you are enjoying Circe. That is a heck of a read.

265seasonsoflove
Jul 20, 8:57pm Top

Per my wonderful dad's request, here are some photos of the newest addition to our family, Indy! She is my new dog, a two year old terrier mix who is so sweet and chill. It was love at first sight!



266jessibud2
Edited: Jul 20, 9:11pm Top

>265 seasonsoflove: - Congratulations, Becca! She is adorable!! Is she a shelter dog? Oh, I see a very happy girl up there (2, actually!!) :-) And as a former teacher myself, I know that summer is the perfect time to bond. After my last cat passed away (in March 2003, at age 19!), I had to wait till summer break to go get my current 2. Those were the quietest 3 months I ever had, always having had a pet in the house.

Enjoy!

267seasonsoflove
Jul 20, 9:29pm Top

>266 jessibud2: she is a shelter dog, she came in from Alabama, she was in the shelter in Chicago only four days before I got her-I'm so happy to have her! You are completely right, summer is a great time to bond. I wanted to wait until I was back from Italy, and I just got back Monday night, and found her today!

Thank you!

268jessibud2
Jul 20, 9:35pm Top

>267 seasonsoflove: - Good for you, rescuing a shelter pet. I think they know how much that matters. I sometimes ask my 2 cats where they came from before I found them at the Humane Society but they won't tell. They say it doesn't matter, they are home now! ;-) They have been with me now since 2003, senior citizens, both!

269NarratorLady
Edited: Jul 21, 9:34am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: Congrats Becca! Indy looks like a wonderful, sweet girl and I wish you many happy years with her. My daughter's rescue is also a southern girl from W. Va. She's a big part of our family. Happy bonding!

270Ameise1
Jul 21, 7:21am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: She looks adorable.

271Crazymamie
Jul 21, 9:03am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: Congratulations to the both of you, Becca! How lovely that you found each other, and she is just as cute as can be. Thanks so much for sharing!

272Caroline_McElwee
Jul 21, 10:05am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: she's a sweetie Becca. I'm sure you will enjoy making friends, keep us updated in the cafe. I know your dad will have a water bowl and biscuits for canine friends.

Where did you go in Italy?

273jnwelch
Jul 21, 10:27am Top

>263 humouress: Isn't Rafa growing fast, Nina? We can't believe how much he's changed since we first saw him.

Ha! I think we get to see my parents more often because of their grandkids. You're on to something there. I will say, from the side of the parent/grandparent, it also gives us a good excuse to come visit, and we can actually do something positive for son and DIL by supplying some childcare and freeing them up. But there's no denying the appeal of the star attraction. :-)

>264 msf59: Oh good, Mark. I'm glad you found some high quality Arboretum company, beat the rain, and found a new area to enjoy. Sorry going today didn't work out; we would've enjoyed it.

Circe is a most excellent read so far. She's just met her half-sisters. Jeez, everybody's hard on poor Circe so far!

274msf59
Edited: Jul 21, 10:40am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: Loving the new addition. It looks like Becca picked another winner! Go, Indy! I hope to meet her one of these days. The new pup, that is...grins.

Morning, Joe. We are heading out shortly and will be traveling northwest, in the direction of Galena today, to attend a family function. My cousin passed, back in April and they are finally having a little memorial at a state park there. We will be back tonight.

275laytonwoman3rd
Jul 21, 10:40am Top

>240 jnwelch: Those eyes! He is definitely taking the world in and processing...watch out for Rafa!

>265 seasonsoflove: Congratulations on finding each other, Becca and Indy!

276humouress
Jul 21, 11:09am Top

>265 seasonsoflove: How wonderful! She does seem a bit intimidated by all those cats, but I see she soon settled in, with her own cushion and toys. Congratulations to both of you!

277jnwelch
Jul 21, 2:50pm Top

Shelley, Anne, Barbara, Mamie, Caroline, Linda and Nina: Thanks! Indy is quite the sweet addition to the family. I'm already amazed at her equanimity (she's chill!) - no matter what's come across her path, including big dogs and energetic little boys, she keeps her cool. One of the best moments so far was in the Petsmart store when she decided she needed a rest, and climbed onto a display dog bed on a low shelf. Ha!

Otherwise I'll let Becca respond.

>274 msf59: Hey, buddy. It was the same with Indy as it was with Sherlock - Becca and Indy immediately hit it off. Indy already is "imprinted", and follows Becca everywhere.

Sorry about your cousin. Galena's in a pretty part of the state, and a state park sounds like a lovely place to have a memorial.

278FAMeulstee
Jul 21, 6:14pm Top

>265 seasonsoflove: Congratulations with the new addition, Becca!
Indy looks sweet, I hope she settles soon.

279jnwelch
Edited: Jul 22, 12:41pm Top

>278 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita, on behalf of Becca. I'm not sure whether she'll come over to this now "old" thread, but she's over on the new one.

>272 Caroline_McElwee: Caroline, she visited Florence, Naples and Venice, and took a lot of day trips from each. (She'd been to Italy before and spent a lot of time in Rome, among other things). Lots of photos on Facebook if you want to find her there.

280jnwelch
Jul 22, 12:41pm Top

The new cafe is open. See you there!

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