Spam reporting thread #65
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PROCEDURES FOR REPORTING SPAM
Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Spam
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
>4 2wonderY: Are we flagging the sock puppets or just listing them here? They don't seem to be disappearing.
>5 Taphophile13: I wrote to Loranne about them from the last thread. I don't think we're supposed to flag sock puppets.
straightforward spam profiles
spam work https://www.librarything.com/work/22245583
It looks to me more like some kind of publishing/promoting scheme than straightforward author sock puppetry, but that's still something that should be squashed.
I almost think we need to just start flagging them. There's too many and more keep appearing every day.
Some of them are lifetime accounts, and flagging them doesn't make them disappear.
>14 2wonderY: True, but right now there are NO consequences for what they keep doing. And if the staff are busy with conferences and fixing search, we need another way to get their attention to this serious breach of service.
Gathering them all together again here.
Probable sock puppet accounts for Dr. Sukhraj S. Dhillon and Sandy Harper
older author profiles:
most recent author profile:
edited to add an older one
and new sock puppets:
>16 2wonderY: Thanks for pinging me again—I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to address this one earlier. I'm on it today, and will update once I've got them all knocked out/IP addresses blocked.
Also a spam review on that work: https://www.librarything.com/profile_reviews.php?view=Tour-n-Travel
>24 lilithcat: and >25 Taphophile13: Yeah, I should know that I'm not all there this evening. I see that my flag was countered (and I've removed it as well). Thanks for putting up with me.
It would still be a kindness for someone to post a note on his profile, but as I said (and have proved), tonight I lack the skill.
Thanks. Adding it to the official tally as well. I most generally find spam profiles from looking at new profile pictures.
Wading through them today is onerous because a couple of members are adding lots of images.
I had to gasp at the amount of PII this new member has added:
I'm tempted to caution her, but I'm guessing I might get a poor reaction.
Oddly, she has put this same substantial material all over the internet - even on her Pinterest page!
>33 2wonderY: That's her ... short introduction? OMG, that's a fricking resume...
Does she realize this isn't LinkedIn?
It's way beyond a resume. She lists all of her places of residence and phone numbers and housemates, her schools from grade school on, including teachers, her coursework, with grades... It goes on!
Makes me tempted to start a debt collection writing campaign to her, just because it's there...
If I were that evil.
Has anyone else left her a profile message? I will if no one else has.
>45 norabelle414: and >46 Taphophile13: Both gone now (nice when it's the only post, because four flags, and it's gone).
I should have checked to see whether they'd been made after lorannen's warning, or before. Hope it was before; I'd hate to think of this continuing.
>48 Just saw your comment; thank you. :-}
car lease company is back
this morning's batch
I sent RMM a message back when I said I would, but I have not heard anything. She has since added to her profile, I guess because it wasn't long enough. She added a whole section of links, none of which are obviously spam but which start out as links to her facebook page, etc. and devolve into, for example, thecheesecakefactory.com
Good morning. Today's batch
About me translates to:
Bevest Real Estate has started its projects in New Cairo and the Fifth Group with a huge success that represents the experience of the pioneers of real estate investment and its unique methodology has made it a priority in the fifth assembly in providing the best features sought by the customer through what is called the total value
One spam review added to that perennial favorite Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - film
I have always followed the progress of the Harry Potter movie because this is one of my favorite films. by Agen Togel
added by Wiratoto | editAgen Togel (Aug 26, 2018)
>57 2wonderY: I'm guessing that went into publisher reviews and that it had a link embedded?
>59 2wonderY: Oh! That's not it. I didn't see the link in your paste and it was already gone when I got to try to flag so I wanted to make sure...
That appears to be all of the critters this morning. Have a good day!
Re: >17 lorannen: I believe I've finally got those all knocked down, and I haven't seen any new activity in the past few days. Let me know if they crop up again—I'm keeping an eye on those author pages myself, as well.
>62 lorannen: Thanks for letting us know. And you can count on us watching too.
>64 lorannen: Whoa! I really really LOVE that banner. One hopes that those who think about violating the TOS will take that as an example of why NOT to do it. It's beautiful.
>64 lorannen: Ooooh! Very nice! Thank you for that.
Does it appear that the Robert Stanek page needs split, or is this a single author.
BTW, >62 lorannen: He appears to have gone to the strategy of using private memberships to keep his 5 star ratings on all books. Can you put the kabosh on those accounts as well?
and today's crop
are you aware of your beauty? here, let us cut you up and make it better
Added a spam venue, which I'm deleting. Do I need to flag the venue picture for voting or will it just go away too?
Posted originally in another topic, and reposting here because this is where it belongs. I hate spammers so much.
In an unpleasant, and yet related matter, there's that horrid group back that attempted to use multiple accounts and group creation some time ago.
Here's the group (which already has three flags, but needs many more).
I should probably drag poor Lorannen in on this. As I recall, it took staff intervention last time out.
Only this "topic" from that group managed to find its way into Spam.
>76 Lyndatrue: Is this that batch of underage (at least personality wise) nitwits from before?
>76 Lyndatrue:, >77 gilroy: They do seem to have some kind of guidance from the account hopeteam61, but not enough supervision.
Personally I am in favor of allowing kids to be rowdy, as long as they're doing it in their own group and not trying to take over others. I can't see any of the deleted messages, but I can see several flagged messages that are not inappropriate. Either way, it definitely does not count as spam.
The previous group that was removed by Loranne was using attacking language and racial slurs. That's why they were shut down.
ETA: a little digging says they're a 6th grade class, so they are probably mostly underage.
>78 norabelle414: Thanks for doing further digging. I just remembered all the problems with the previous group (and I swear that this seems very similar, although not nearly as bad). My experience with sixth grade kids (or even children in general) is from a long, long time ago, except for those that are walking home from school when I'm outside gardening.
ETA: I took my flag off the group, at least for now.
>78 norabelle414: Based on this new information, I've taken my flag off the group.
"dating tips" - sex - https://www.librarything.com/profile/casualsexcalvin
>76 Lyndatrue: As has been assessed further downthread, I don't think they're related to that previous mess. They do seem to be tied to a school, but so far, posting nonsense (and have all been instructed by the group admin to add at least one specific book). I've reached out to the admin with our TOS (and pointed out age restrictions). We'll see if that gets us anywhere.
>85 lorannen: I pulled one of their threads out of the Spam? folder today.
>85 lorannen: Thanks for the response. :-} Yeah, as you may have noticed, I unflagged the group after it was pointed out to me, in the kindest way, that I was confused, and wrong. I'm happy that it was just kids. The other group was such a nightmare that I suppose the scar tissue was still there.
LT is a good place, and I want it to last forever (or at least longer than me, which is precisely the same thing).
http://www.librarything.com/groups/alimentacionysalud "site to give the best food tips" (according to Google translate)
Good Monday morning. They keep coming, so there may be more later.
Maybe we've finally done it - killed all the spam. Everybody pack up and go home!
I killed off a bunch of spam profiles found from recent profile images. I don't bother to post the links here, because, by the time I do, the profiles are already gone.
Well what do you know, it was a false alarm :-)
creating spam lists:
Y'all have greater powers than I do. My vote doesn't do the deed by itself.
I think Tim did say there was a weighted value for the best flaggers when he rolled out the new system.
First post here.
I've started seeing posts in Talk about "escort services" in the United Arab Emirates. I've looked at a couple of the profiles and they look like sock-puppets--very recently joined, no books, no other activity. I flagged the profiles as spam and it seems that this was correct--yes? Not just a case of overzealous promotion of a book, but clearly "commercial" spam. To the extent that it's commercial--I doubt if prostitution is legal in the UAE.
They're wasting their time pushing escort services at me anyway. I live in Qatar, and given the current state of affairs in the Gulf, the likelihood of me going anywhere in the UAE for long enough to take advantage of an "escort" is pretty close to zero. Not that I'd do it anyway. I'm a married man, getting on in years, and I'd like to enjoy good health for the time I have left.
I flagged the profiles as spam and it seems that this was correct--yes?
>103 haydninvienna: Flagging the profiles as spam is the right thing to do. However, it takes more than one person flagging to make the users get suspended. If you post links to the profiles here then all the people reading this thread will flag them too, and the users will get suspended.
For the record, it doesn't matter if the products or services they are promoting are legal or not. No selling is allowed here, whether it's a prostitute or a sandwich.
We have spam at the wiki again: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Binance_support_1888-617-4777 and 12 (now 15) more
Flag user: Dcgtdg
Member profile: https://www.librarything.com/profile/annashorthead (don't flag)
I've left a message on her comment wall.
You're the forbidden fruit!:
see https://www.librarything.com/pic/6576650 (cracked me up!)
We have spam at the wiki again: (eta: long URL removed, as the page is removed), and 8 more
Flag user: Laxy
>116 gilroy: That, I'm not sure about. It's entirely possible the bots have gotten smarter and, since we use Google's CAPTCHA system is what we use, there are improvements that need to be made there.
So is there a way to remove the residual spam?
>112 FAMeulstee: You should get rid of that spam string, eh?
And the next one: (eta: long URL removed, as the page is removed) and 6 more.
>121 lorannen:. The page header on one and the material left in your log of edits/deletions still contain phone numbers and key words.
NOT an enthusastic author... flag away!
several escort profiles added yesterday and today
Rent Abraham doll and Inflatable abraham doll online at best rates. Inflatable and rent sarah doll for occasions. You can rent a doll easily in three steps
and the brow people are right back
Creating spam lists:
work: https://www.librarything.com/work/22368716/161068171 (turns out to be existing author)
escorts, call girls
Note that the company name (from the user), the work title, and the author all match.
https://www.librarything.com/profile/downloadtai1 (not actually a library, just a downloads site)
Do not flag: http://www.librarything.com/profile/LindaGenerally
She's also started a group to push her book: http://www.librarything.com/groups/belindaprincesswarri
and another thread here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/297380#
and here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/297379
and here! http://www.librarything.com/topic/297377
also here: http://www.librarything.com/topic/297376
ETA: I was really tempted to leave a response telling her that eight-year-olds aren't allowed to have accounts on LT, but refrained.
Published review spammer
"They don't know that better in our body and some symptoms are happened. The Ayurveda medications are the conventional medicines and it has a large number of years old and it has no opposite reactions and keeps up the wellbeing"
More spam from this author: http://www.librarything.com/topic/297492
>148 Marissa_Doyle: Um, I got in after all the spam was killed. What author? Have they been warned before?
>151 norabelle414: Ah, okay. Checking their profile, I see they've been suspended now too.
I am not sure if these new wiki-pages created by Tinker-Books (a publisher) are spam, as it is book promotion:
and the same goes for all other profile images loaded
Profile (don't flag): https://www.librarything.com/profile/Prasanta1993
I've left a note on the profile. The Talk posts have already been flagged, but unfortunately someone replied to them so they're still there.
Was that a private comment? Because I don't see it.
someone replied to them
TWO people replied! I've left comments for those folks letting them know the problem.
>161 lilithcat: Yes, a private comment (which seemed more discreet at the time, though I guess it's useful for other people to be able to see that a comment's been left).
>162 konallis: I just left a public comment on the profile. Public comments are best, in this case, since they provide a note that the person should now know better, and not continue in posting. I have a certain pity for these folks, since the world is hard enough on established authors.
Ah, well. So it goes.
>164 Taphophile13: And someone replied to the thread so it isn't going away.
>165 gilroy: Maybe I should include "don't reply to the thread" as part of the notice here?
It couldn't hurt, but I'm not sure it would help. The last couple of folks I've seen responding in the threads are not people I've seen participate in this group.
>168 amanda4242: I have put the original page back (undone the changes) on https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Help:Searching
ETA the user who did it is already suspended.
(Don't flag https://www.librarything.com/profile/CarlRosier-Jones)
cars - rentals & taxis
immigration & visas
work: https://www.librarything.com/work/22400117/161352492 (see review)
>175 karenb: It may be that staff (lorannen) needs to be notified on this one. It's identified as an organization (why and how I cannot imagine, but still, it is), and that's probably keeping the account around. The work is marked as spam, now, it's just the account that needs suspension.
ETA: Never mind. My flag was enough to do it in, finally. Hooray, one down, one million to go.
groups advertising jobs
all created by http://www.librarything.com/profile/kreddy88
ETA: all gone
selling examination prep books:
love the about me blurb
Yeah, I know... It was just a terribly google translated sales blurb. I thought about copying it, but neglected it this time.
I am often tempted to start a thread for amusing google translations I find in spam profiles.
Someone should probably leave a note on the profile of this poster, who just joined yesterday, and would like to start a Book Club.
As I've repeatedly proven, I don't necessarily have the people skills for this. I was tempted to flag the comment (proving the point above), but am asking instead for a kinder, gentler response. Don't flag the profile, please.
ETA: I note that there's a group (created by LegacyIsAMust), so perhaps he's catching on.
posted a spam review
>190 norabelle414: More:
>190 norabelle414: Aaaaand even more:
work: https://www.librarything.com/work/22324010/160631152 (see Book description)
Amazing. People have actually accepted a spammer's "friend invitation"!
If someone else would post a note to the new member, I’d appreciate it. It’s awkward to do on my phone.
HP printer support "work"
and Brother printer support
Garmin tech support
https://www.librarything.com/work/22470439/161997040 (the only work with this author)
Okay, either I'm losing my mind, or the spam filtering is broken in some odd way.
When I look at the Spam folder, there are no new updates since last Tuesday. I've logged off, and back on. I've used different browsers. I've used my other account. It's not my imagination. It hasn't updated. I haven't seen an uptick in spam (or much of any, to be truthful, probably owing to my not paying attention to most groups).
I took a screen shot, even, which I'm about to upload to my gallery.
I'm just so confused.
You're not the only one. I kind of assumed that something succeeded behind the scenes to prevent this kind of spam altogether? Though I hesitate to call it a bug.
>204 karenb: Thank you for this. I was a bit disappointed to not see response from anyone, and beginning to think that there was a party going on somewhere else, and that I wasn't invited.
Okay, okay, I didn't really believe that, but I do want to point out that things were still getting in there that shouldn't be, since I retrieved one (by turning it green, of course). That's when I thought that things looked weird, and started to check on it. Compulsively.
I may make a bug report later. We'll see.
Spam seems to come in waves nowadays. Perhaps the protections here are so robust (partly because of member participation) that it has become less of a target while they go after other places.
work: https://www.librarything.com/work/22509573/162349573 (see review)
>201 Lyndatrue: You mean the "Spam?" designation on Talk, right? It wasn't showing any new threads for a while? Spam does tend to come in waves, in my experience. I think there are probably a couple things going on here, but the big one that jumps out at me for the last couple weeks is that we've been getting hit hard by some Russian bots over the last couple weeks (detailed here). They're not posting to Talk, just trying (and failing, every time) to log in using credentials that were swiped from elsewhere. Our devs have been busily thwarting them lately, which is likely a significant part of why we're seeing less spam lately. Now, technically speaking, I don't know what exactly that means! But I would be very surprised if this hasn't resulted in further locking things down, resulting in less spam.
>209 lorannen: Thanks for the response. I will gently disagree with your surmise, although I grant you that there's been a cessation of sorts by beating back Russian bots. It's just that they aren't your only source. Mumbai call girls are back to getting trapped, as of late last night, so I'm not sure what was up. I'm just happy to see things settling down, whatever the reason.
No worries, and thanks for killing the profile mentioned elsewhere.
>210 Lyndatrue: Yeah, I see what you mean, looking closer at the dates. I'll raise it at meeting today, just in case there is a simple explanation, like devs manually killing those threads themselves (seems unlikely, but you never know!).
>211 lorannen: Be sure you mention >205 norabelle414: as a possibility. I'm certainly willing to give that strong credence, and no, I'm not kidding. Dewali, combined with smacking Russian bots, is a serious possibility.
It's good to be old. Everyone takes you seriously, just in case you're right. ;-}
>212 Lyndatrue: I was being a little sly in my comment. The dates of no spam match up almost exactly with the dates of Diwali so I'm pretty sure that's what was going on.
(advise don't look at the other profile picture)
work: https://www.librarything.com/work/13502495/93940771 (see review)
>219 lesmel: I've left a note, but when someone's been here since 2009, and has so few books, I don't necessarily hold a lot of hope. I'll check back in a day or so to see whether the comment's still there.
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