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Christmas 2018 books

Folio Society devotees

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1LondonLawyer
Sep 9, 3:56am Top

A handful of giveaways from the Folio Magazine:

- the release date will be 17 October
- they’ll be publishing The Folio Book of Science and Tales of the Greek Heroes by Roger Lancelyn Green



2Mr.Fox
Sep 9, 11:34am Top

I like when Christmas comes in October.

I might pick up Greek Heroes.

3RRCBS
Sep 9, 11:50am Top

How many books are usually in the Christmas collection? Less than or same as Fall collection?

4c_schelle
Sep 9, 12:09pm Top

The Folio Books of Science is deffenitley interesting for me. Thanks for the heads up.

5Fierylunar
Edited: Sep 9, 1:39pm Top

>3 RRCBS: There was an image somewhere on FS social media of a test run for 10 different volumes. We know at least 3 of those now (the 2 mentioned here and the Sherlock).

Edit: found it!

6afje96
Edited: Sep 10, 3:14am Top

I expect them to publish the last Winnie the Pooh book since they published the first and second volume for the last two Christmases.

7RRCBS
Sep 10, 10:12am Top

So I emailed FS this morning asking how many books would be released as part of the Christmas collection. They replied that they don’t have exact numbers yet, but it should be the same size or bigger than the Fall release. Excited!

8NotDownInAnyMap
Sep 10, 10:38am Top

>7 RRCBS: Wow! Exciting news, and the release date is only 5 weeks away.

9Jayked
Sep 10, 11:33am Top

There'll be a few irritated punters if the next 3 Hornblowers aren't there.

10UK_History_Fan
Edited: Sep 10, 12:00pm Top

Greek heroes interests me but the design is horrific

11HuxleyTheCat
Sep 10, 12:37pm Top

>10 UK_History_Fan: Having read Lancelyn Green's Robin Hood, I'd be giving Greek Heroes a stiff ignoring no matter how it was designed.

12gmacaree
Sep 10, 12:38pm Top

13UK_History_Fan
Sep 12, 6:38am Top

Interesting. I win the Robin Hood book but have not read it yet. What didn’t you like? Just curious.

14RecoveringYogi
Sep 12, 12:25pm Top

I'd also like to know what's wrong with the LG Robin Hood. I was seriously contemplating purchasing it off of eBay but if there is some issue with it...

15HuxleyTheCat
Sep 12, 12:32pm Top

>13 UK_History_Fan: >14 RecoveringYogi: The book is fine, although to my mind the LEC David Gentleman-illustrated version is superior, the writing, though, is very simplistic and Green actually manages to make these tales unengaging at best and downright boring at worst.

16folio_books
Sep 12, 12:49pm Top

>13 UK_History_Fan: >14 RecoveringYogi:

Perhaps a small sample of the style? I picked the book from the shelf and it opened at page 69. Give or take, the first words my eye fell on were:

“Are you Robin Hood?” gasped the youth.
“Robin Hood I am, and no other!” was the reply.
“Oh, Robin, Robin! Do you not know me?” cried his late antagonist with sudden change of voice.
“Marian!” gasped Robin. “And I wounded you, and knew you not!” In another moment his arms were around her.
“Welcome to Sherwood,” he said at length, when she had poured out all her tale to him. “Come away with me now to our secret glen, and let Scarlet and Much, Little John, and the rest, welcome their queen – as I do; and swear, as I do, to be true and faithful servants now and henceforward to you, Maid Marian of Sherwood Forest.”

There was feasting and rejoicing that night in the secret glade where Robin and his merry men did honour to their lovely queen. There was no lack of good roasted venison, great flagons of wine were set on the board, bowls of brown ale, and many another delicacy.

So now you know what to expect with Greek heroes.

17HuxleyTheCat
Sep 12, 12:59pm Top

>16 folio_books: Ye gads, it's worse than I remember!

18kronnevik
Sep 12, 3:00pm Top

>15 HuxleyTheCat: The LEC you refer to is The Ballads of Robin Hood, not Green's Adventures. I agree that the production is superior, though Gentleman's illustrations are not among my favorite of his work.

19HuxleyTheCat
Sep 12, 3:11pm Top

>18 kronnevik: Indeed it is, and my apologies but I didn't mean to infer that they were the same text, merely versions of the Robin Hood 'mythology'. JC Holt's Robin Hood (available in a very nice Folio edition) gives some fascinating insight for those with an interest.

P.S. I also agree with you about the illustrations.

20kronnevik
Sep 12, 5:03pm Top

>19 HuxleyTheCat: The Holt is on my shelf, though I've not yet read it. I'm due for another Robin Hood read though, as my last was Creswick's Robin Hood with N.C. Wyeth illustrations probably 4 or 5 years ago. One of the loveliest presentations of the ballads I know is The Song of Robin Hood, a unique collaboration between Anne Malcolmson (compiler and editor), Grace Castagnetta (musical arranger), and Virginia Lee Burton (designer and illustrator) which received a Caldecott Honor Medal in 1948. There was a reprint in 2000 which is still is print.

21Petrichory
Sep 19, 8:25am Top

Can i put in a small plea for leniency for the LG Robin Hood? I read it on holiday when I was nine and was absolutely spellbound by it. It remained a favourite for years. I know nine-year-olds are not particularly discerning, but they are perhaps more it's target market.
I agree that the JC Holt examination of the mythos is far more fascinating now though.

22Lady19thC
Sep 19, 10:10pm Top

I read The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood, by Howard Pyle, for the first time 2 years ago and I loved it! I would love a FS version. Right now I treasure my B&N copy!

23Uppernorwood
Sep 20, 5:04pm Top

Dear God, that writing would make Dan Brown cringe!

24betaraybill
Sep 21, 7:02pm Top

>22 Lady19thC:

I have a few of the B&N classics (Narnia and the purple H. G. Wells are favorites), and I picked up the Robin Hood last year and read it in the spring of 2017. I loved it!

There is one glaring misprint, however. After Robin meets Little John, the chapter ends with Robin reflecting upon how he had made such a great friend on "this clay." I said to myself, that cannot be some obscure medieval colloquialism. Sure enough, I checked the regular edition where I work (library children's dept.), and it reads "this day." How in the world can such a mistake be made? Although a lower case "c" next to a lower case "l" does look a bit like a lower case "d." But still...

Anyway, the B&N Robin Hood is a winner. Apart from "this clay," of course!

25withawhy99
Sep 22, 11:47am Top

>24 betaraybill:
Scanning with automatic text reading software, which frequently turns "cl" into "d" and vice versa. I find lots of such mistakes in e-books which were apparently created from scans of older print texts.

26betaraybill
Sep 22, 10:23pm Top

>25 withawhy99:
That explains it! Thanks!

27overthemoon
Oct 10, 7:52am Top

There's a teaser on instagram showing a pile of 18 new books (spines hidden).

28Kieran_Cowan
Edited: Oct 10, 7:57am Top

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpJFhS9W0AAebj_.jpg:large So, that looks like it could be a Bond, fifth from the top, and there are a couple volumes in the right shade of yellow to be in their Edmund Crispin editions. Oh, and the two brown volumes 6 and 7 from the bottom seem to clearly be in a set. Other than that, anyone have any ideas?

29F.Trier
Edited: Oct 10, 8:24am Top

>27 overthemoon: There are 20 books in the pile, so either there are two reprints or two sets counting as "one book" each included in the release.

Numbers 7 and 8 from the top looks to be the promised copies of "Folio Book of Science" and "Tales of the Greek Heroes"

30Kieran_Cowan
Oct 10, 8:48am Top

I had thought the Tales of the Greek Heroes was the orange volume, 12th from the top, myself. That's definitely the Folio Book of Science though, you're right.

31wdripp
Oct 10, 10:21am Top

I am excited that the twitter post mentions "stunning new children's books". I thought the final Winnie the Pooh book (already for sale on FS) might be the only children's book in the Christmas Collection, and I already own it, but now it sounds like there will be at least one more. Crossing my fingers it is not another reprint!

32sdawson
Oct 10, 11:34am Top

>31 wdripp:

That is good news. Hoping it is one I want and hoping also that we get a new Ian Fleming Bond novel.

-Shawn

33leemeadowcroft
Oct 10, 12:04pm Top

>32 sdawson: certainly looks like there's a new bond in there

34sdawson
Edited: Oct 10, 12:50pm Top

>33 leemeadowcroft:

Very well could be, and that would be welcome. That would bring us up to 6 of the 14 Fleming Bond novels. These books are the ones pretty much ensuring I keep ordering from FS. I try and find other books as well to make the shipping worth it, which I usually can do with the Christmas selection.

Don't know what the odds are of FS eventually publishiing the complete set. Wish they would commit. Also hoping they keep the schedule of at least two per year. Of the five current books, one was published in 2015, one in 2016, two in 2017, and one in 2018. So this would make two in 2018.

This could be a gem of a collection if completed -- on par with the Patrick O'Brian or the Andrew Lang Fairy sets.

-Shawn

35fiascoborelli
Oct 10, 1:45pm Top

>34 sdawson: Casino Royale was reprinted relatively soon after it was released, so I assume the series is selling fairly well. It will be interesting to see if the previously-released Live and Let Die is reissued in series, and if they bother with The Spy Who Love Me and You Only Live Twice. I’d like to see the two period Anthony Horowitz novels released in series with Fay Dalton art (though perhaps differentiated with different coloured cloth), but doubt that will happen.

36podaniel
Oct 10, 2:29pm Top

>34 sdawson:

Having just completed the Thomas Hardy collection, I tend to agree with you (it took me forever to find a reasonably priced copy of the single volume of Desperate Remedies).

37Lady19thC
Oct 10, 2:57pm Top

I hope they continue with the new Dickens collection, as well as the Hardy one.

And, of course, I am still hoping some of my long-awaited wishlist books will pop in one of these releases. Perhaps, say, Phantom of the Opera? More Bradbury? More Gaiman? Memoirs of a Geisha? Year of Wonders? Girl with a Pearl Earring? lol Won't hold my breath anymore...

38foliomusthave
Edited: Oct 10, 4:31pm Top

>35 fiascoborelli: Your point about The Spy Who Loved Me is a good one. Where does a publisher stop when the author effectively disowned a work (as Fleming did with that book) but there is a desire (of some purchasers at least) for completism?

39Eastonorfolio
Oct 10, 4:09pm Top

I'm guessing no new Pratchett. I think we all have given up on that series.

40McLeanSloughter
Oct 10, 4:23pm Top

Looks like no new Hornblower set again. I was hoping we'd get the second set with this collection.

41Lady19thC
Oct 10, 4:25pm Top

>40 McLeanSloughter:

That is so disappointing. I haven't started mine because I want the entire set to read one after the other without stopping. Might be a very long wait.

42Mr.Fox
Oct 10, 7:19pm Top

I’ll definitely pick up a new Fleming Bond novel. I’m sure there are a few others that will be worth picking up, as well.

43dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 11, 3:30am Top

For anyone interested in 'Tales of the Greek Heroes', there is a superb private press edition limited to 500 copies (outstanding letterpress printing, handmade paper, beautiful typography reminiscent of the Doves Press) published by Philip Lee Warner for the Medici Society in 1912 entitled 'The Heroes, or Greek Fairy Tales for my Children by Charles Kingsley. The printing was done by the Riccardi Press on hand-made Riccardi Paper and the book contains 12 classically-themed watercolour illustrations by Sir W. Russell Flint with captioned tissue guards. The deluxe edition with full limp vellum binding is pricey but the edition with Holland binding (off-white or tan cloth spine with bluish-gray paper over boards) can easily be found in the $200 to $250 range. Yes, I know, more pricey than a standard FS book but this is in an entirely different league.

44McLeanSloughter
Oct 11, 1:09am Top

>41 Lady19thC:

I haven't picked the first set up yet either. It was the only thing that was really enticing me in the last two collections, and so I figured I'd wait until the Christmas collection, which I always order to get the journal for the year, and I was hoping I'd be able to order at least two sets by then. I'll still place an order with the upcoming collection, but I was definitely looking forward to having two Hornblower sets to enjoy with that order.

I'm also now a little nervous that perhaps they've decided that, like so many other sets, they're not going to complete it after all, and will just leave us with this first taste of what might have been.

45SebRinelli
Oct 11, 1:56am Top

>43 dlphcoracl:
Lovely recommendation!

46Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 11, 10:13am Top

Folio has just published a new hint in their Instagram stories - the end papers in one of their new books will have a dachshund drawing.

47kdweber
Oct 11, 2:29pm Top

>43 dlphcoracl: Thanks for the heads up, added to my wish list. I love both my Riccardi Press editions bound in limp vellum - The Canterbury Tales (3 volumes) and Everyman: A Morality Play.

48dlphcoracl
Oct 11, 4:37pm Top

>47 kdweber:

The Riccardi Press / Medici Society books in the deluxe limp vellum binding are indeed quite special. I defy you to tell the difference between their bindings and the Kelmscott Press limp vellum bindings. Very few private presses knew how to do these binding properly and they are very well priced in the market for this level of quality.

49Willoyd
Oct 11, 4:47pm Top

Could one or more of 2, 3 and 4 from the top be more Thomas Hardy?

50Lady19thC
Oct 11, 8:26pm Top

Anyone wonder if the 8th one down, being of a grey and black nature, might be The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, by Anne Bronte? Wouldn't that be a treat!

51Lady19thC
Edited: Oct 11, 8:30pm Top

>49 Willoyd:

If they are they would be some of his lesser known works, as they are much slimmer in size than, say, The Return of the Native.

I am hoping 10, 14 and 15 are more Dickens! lol

52McLeanSloughter
Oct 12, 12:10am Top

>50 Lady19thC:
That certainly looks plausible! That would be delightful.

53Willoyd
Oct 12, 8:21am Top

>51 Lady19thC:
Finding it hard to tell in terms of sizes, but holding my Hardys up against them, they don't look overslim to me. If not, there are a couple lower down that look possible too; I just thought they might be too long relatively. Not sure about the Dickens - I would have expected the edges to be patterned. But probably wrong on both counts!

54Lady19thC
Oct 12, 9:09am Top

>53 Willoyd:

You are right! The Dickens would be patterned. Oh dear. Does this mean no Dickens at all? I hope they haven't already abandoned this new series, now that I am collecting them. :(

55gatsby61
Oct 12, 10:32pm Top

maybe the Dickens Christmas books will make it, it’d be sensible. I’d love to see more Hardy and Trollope (agonizing to wait for more Barchesters)

56treereader
Oct 12, 10:37pm Top

>54 Lady19thC:, >55 gatsby61:

It'll take more than one quarter's release missing a book to imagine that its series has been discontinued. For example, there was no Bond book this Summer, but the series is unlikely cancelled.

57Willoyd
Oct 13, 6:40am Top

>55 gatsby61:
(agonizing to wait for more Barchesters)

Sadly, I think your agonies will continue indefinitely.

58Bookworm59
Oct 13, 2:04pm Top

Folio has a B&W illustration from one of the upcoming books in its Instagram story. To me, it looks like one of the illustrations from the Peter Wimsey series, but I don't have a good eye for these things and I may very well be mistaken.

59alvaret
Oct 13, 2:05pm Top

New clue from their twitter account, a piece of one of the illustrations, and based on the style I'm guessing that the illustrator is Paul Cox and that this will be the new Dorothy Sayers short story collection they promised a while back. I hope the selection is good, I really liked the first one.

60folio_books
Oct 13, 3:06pm Top

>59 alvaret:

Looks like Paul Cox to me, too. More Dorothy L Sayers can't be a bad thing.

61Bookworm59
Oct 13, 3:59pm Top

>59 alvaret: Yes, that's the one from Instagram. More Sayers! Goody!!

62elmaynard
Oct 14, 10:35pm Top

I keep thinking about the dachshund endpapers. Could it be “The Finer Points of Sausage Dogs”?

63Petrichory
Oct 16, 6:04am Top

Or Thurber's Dogs?

64Bookworm59
Oct 16, 10:06am Top

>63 Petrichory:: Ooh, I would love it if it were Thurber!

65Lady19thC
Oct 16, 8:51pm Top

What time do they usually go up? It is tomorrow, isn't it? So what time for US eastern time? I am ready to jump on and see what they are offering. Or....not offering...

66NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 16, 10:04pm Top

>65 Lady19thC: Usually around 6 am Eastern Time. The recent Fall collection went up around 5:40 am.

67Lady19thC
Oct 16, 10:54pm Top

>66 NotDownInAnyMap: Thank you! :)

68Mr.Fox
Oct 16, 11:50pm Top

My wallet is going to rest uneasily tonight.

69LondonLawyer
Oct 17, 4:34am Top

The "sets and series" discounts appear to have gone live, with some small discounts on a few sets. You can find these under the "Fiction" and "Non-Fiction" tabs.

The Bond set gives away the next title, presumably to be released later this morning: Diamonds are Forever.

It appears there'll be no new Dickens.

70RRCBS
Oct 17, 4:49am Top

It also gives away that there will be a new set of Sayers stories!

71LondonLawyer
Edited: Oct 17, 5:06am Top

They appear to be going up now (if you search for them).

So far I've found:

FICTION

- Of Mice and Men
- Outlaws of the Marsh
- Middlemarch
- The Selected Adventures and Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes
- The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay

NON-FICTION

- The Vikings
- SPQR

I'm sure there's more to come...

72Kerl
Edited: Oct 17, 5:09am Top

The new books seem to be all up here: https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/new

Black Beauty, Starship Troopers, Sherlock Holmes etc

73affle
Oct 17, 5:10am Top

How could they? Middlemarch? Lime green?

74Kerl
Edited: Oct 17, 5:18am Top

I quite like it, don't like the price but the design I'm tempted by the design

75NotDownInAnyMap
Oct 17, 5:18am Top

My initial reaction is: Starship Troopers! Awesome! I will also definitely get Of Mice and Men, Sherlock, and Black Beauty. Great collection!

76gmacaree
Oct 17, 5:20am Top

The Alchemist, Starship Troopers, Of Mice and Men, SPQR and The Four Gospels for me, I think.

77gmacaree
Oct 17, 5:26am Top

Oh! I missed the Water Margin. I have the LEC already but might have to buy this one to encourage Folio to keep producing the Chinese classics.

78wongie
Oct 17, 5:29am Top

Definitely a much more tempting collection than the Fall one I think. Starship Troopers is a must-have purchase for me and there's a couple more volumes that are just enticing enough for me to add to my basket while I'm already buying ST.

79Kerl
Oct 17, 5:43am Top

Tempted by Starship Troopers, Of Mice and Men, Black Beauty, Sherlock and Middlemarch as I don't own any of them yet

80leemeadowcroft
Oct 17, 5:52am Top

The Alchemist is a must buy for me.

81NLNils
Oct 17, 5:52am Top

The Alchemist (lavishly illustrated, beautiful parable), Of Mice And Men and Starship Troopers pique my interest and have been added to the wishlist.

82adriano77
Oct 17, 5:55am Top

Outlaws of the Marsh looks great and seems a bit of a match with Three Kingdoms. Definitely need to hunt down a copy of that one day. SPQR is quite stunning although I've heard less than great things of the text. Tough one.

83leemeadowcroft
Oct 17, 5:56am Top

>69 LondonLawyer: Where is this sets and series page of which you speak??

84LondonLawyer
Oct 17, 6:06am Top

The Folio Book of Science was going into my basket, until I saw the blurb:

"The Folio Book of Science is the first anthology of science writing equally weighted between male and female authors, selected by scientist, author and broadcaster Professor Alice Roberts."

I would have preferred a volume compiled on the basis of scientific merit, rather than a need to meet gender quotas.

85venkysuniverse
Oct 17, 6:17am Top

>84 LondonLawyer: I would have preferred if the edition had given some weightage to non European scientists as well, based on merit.

86LondonLawyer
Edited: Oct 17, 6:24am Top

>85 venkysuniverse: Why, though? Why does identity politics have to infest everything? It’s a book about science, not the people putting forward the theories.

87woodstock8786
Oct 17, 6:23am Top

So finally Sherlock Holmes again, and I would love to have a decent Sherlock Holmes edition, but the cover illustration is awful (I know you cannot argue about taste, but I just don't like it)

88Uppernorwood
Oct 17, 6:25am Top

S.P.Q.R. looks great, but most of the other new book designs a tad uninspiring.

I'm not really interested in the Bond books text but the illustrations are stunning. Call me a philistine, but there's a lot to be said for conventional (i.e. non-abstract) artwork like this. Doesn't appear nearly enough in folio in my view.

89Mr.Fox
Oct 17, 6:32am Top

I’m thrilled to see Of Mice and Men. I’m trying to purchase a copy, but it won’t let me log in. I’ll keep trying.

90wongie
Oct 17, 6:36am Top

>84 LondonLawyer:

A book of scientific writings would only include works of scientific merit anyway one would presume so to me it makes absolutely no difference if they want to balance the genders.

91LondonLawyer
Oct 17, 6:42am Top

>90 wongie: If you want to go down that route:

- What if some women scientists' works of greater merit have been left out, because of the need to have at least 50% of the articles penned by men?

- Should it not also be ethnically balanced? If not, why not?

92venkysuniverse
Oct 17, 6:46am Top

>86 LondonLawyer: It is my personal belief that a title called 'Book of Science' gives an opportunity to showcase major scientific advancements from various parts of the world. I realise it is a 'selection', but I think they missed an opportunity to provide a unique perspective and not just the usual 'big names' which can be found in almost every science anthology.

93UK_History_Fan
Oct 17, 7:44am Top

Queue the huge sigh of relief for my wallet. One of the least interesting new releases for me. Only two books tempt me: Tales of Greek Heroes (despite the god-awful cover and slipcase design) and SPQR.

But that is just fine since unlike most posters on here I actually found many books in the autumn collection tempting and now have a huge backlog in my (newly recreated) wish list. There are several titles that do not interest me though that impress me from a design and / or illustration perspective so I could understand why others may be excited.

Pricing in USD seems to have returned to the inexplicable level on many titles though after improving somewhat in the fall. I know it’s been said before and I know the FS price gamesmanship will never change but once again I urge them to let everyone purchase in GBP, charge actual shipping, and let everyone convert to their own currency via credit card or pay pal.

NOTE: US site pricing error (surely soon to be fixed). The Vikings reprint is £39.95 on UK site and a shockingly incorrect $31.95 on the US site. Anyone interested in this title should immediately order before the typo is caught and corrected.

94RRCBS
Oct 17, 7:57am Top

I’m tempted by the Michael Chabon book, the Sayers stories, Black Beauty and Starship Troopers. Though the Chabon book is very pricey and unsure about the quality of writing for Starship Troopers...don’t want to buy it just because I’ve been buying the FS sci-fi stuff...and disappointed in the price hikes! Of Micr and Men looks very nice, but I have the LOA Steinbeck.

95Lady19thC
Edited: Oct 17, 8:32am Top

Hmm.... I am really disappointed in this release. A bright green Middlemarch, no Dickens, no Hardy, sadly no Phantom of the Opera, no Hornblower. And the prices are so high.

I can't bring myself to spend that much on the Alchemist. I have the nice deluxe hardcover edition with the slipcover that came out long ago. I read it every Christmas and it still looks new. I think I spent $20.00 on it and it is beautifully illustrated. I won't spend this much for such a slim book.

I already have all of the FS Eliots. I doubt they will publish an entire set since they can't seem to finish Hardy or Dickens, so not even dipping my feet in it.

Black Beauty is a win for me. I loved this book when I was a child. I am pretty sure I will be getting it. Then again... lol

The Book of Children's Poetry is a bit tempting, but so pricey and do I really need a glow in the dark book?

Nothing else is grabbing me. This is going to be a sparse order. Still waiting on my replacement of the fall order that was ruined in the mail. That has put quite a damper on buying their books for me, for the first time in over 20 years. Humbug.

ETA~Just found Black Beauty for free as an eBook on Gutenburg. Started reading that, so will skip the FS book.

96wongie
Edited: Oct 17, 8:51am Top

>91 LondonLawyer:

I don't really have a position on how or what they choose to go in a book with such a generic title; if they decided to go with a 50/50 balance or all women, only Middle-Age science, a mix of only Greek and Middle-Eastern science, or only Chinese science etc, ultimately it's all still science and still within the spirit of the title. With only 24 to choose from someone is going to be missing out regardless.

I guess the real question is whether they needed to advertise it as balanced, is it really a selling point? For me personally no but nor is it necessarily something that's going to give me pause for thought but I do understand and can see the merit in doing so after all books are meant to be educational and what's more educational than bringing little known works to the wider public consciousness? Of course they could go that extra mile and dig out even more obscure works from other women, nationalities etc but it's still a step. Folio already has extensively published works of great scientific merit irrespective of gender from Relativity, Origin of Species to a bunch of Dawkins' books and a cursory look at their science/natural history category shows at present many more and all of which, barring one book, are by men. Given that I don't think advertising, or indeed choosing this one single volume based on a balance of genders (or indeed any other category) was necessarily a bad thing.

97gmacaree
Oct 17, 8:46am Top

Looking again at Middlemarch and I'm becoming increasingly interested. Superior illustrations to the previous editions, and I'm big fan of the large format. I'm far from sold on it, though, mostly because of the colour.

98St._Troy
Oct 17, 8:54am Top

>84 LondonLawyer: "I would have preferred a volume compiled on the basis of scientific merit, rather than a need to meet gender quotas."

We shall have to select our books the way we wish they'd selected the pieces for this collection.

>86 LondonLawyer: "Why does identity politics have to infest everything?"

It need not infest us; that may be all we can do as individuals.

99dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 17, 10:41am Top

Initial thoughts, i.e., books I will purchase:

1. Middlemarch is an obvious choice. An important novel in an FS deluxe format. The Pierre Mornet illustrations are excellent.

2. The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Klay will be a novel most UK readers are not be familiar with. Michael Chabon has proven to be one of the best and most important American novelists of the past two decades and K and K is his finest work. Very innovative FS book design and illustrations.

3. Tales of the Greek Heroes is a topic of interest to me, i.e., folklore & mythology. Binding design is awful but illustrations work for me. Wonderful selection of Greek stories and myths.

100gmacaree
Oct 17, 10:42am Top

>99 dlphcoracl: You're going to tempt me into the Chabon, I can feel it

101Bookworm59
Oct 17, 11:04am Top

Nothing there for me except Sayers. It's a pity they didn't go with Phantom. I'd have shelled out for that one in a heartbeat.

102Neil77
Oct 17, 11:11am Top

Black Beauty, Starship Troopers and Sherlock for me. Overall, a decent collection.

103wdripp
Oct 17, 11:19am Top

Like the Autumn collection, there seems to be a good variety but quite a few reprints and new editions of works I already have.

I will definitely pick up Black Beauty, and am interested in Chabon, Steinbeck, and SPQR. I really like the illustrations in the
Children's Book of Poetry, but at that price point will have to mull it over.

I didn't place an order for the last collection, and may place an order with a few titles from each, to save on shipping, or I may wait until the next sale.

I don't seen an incentive for placing an order now (although if I recall in past years it has been a free diary, which I wouldn't use anyway).

104RRCBS
Oct 17, 11:24am Top

So I want to place an order but the site won’t let me sign in lol and now the wait has given me time to think that even though I really want the Chabon book, maybe it’s too expensive to justify buying...annoying!

105chrisrsprague
Oct 17, 11:48am Top

The few books I want are so exorbitantly priced, I'll take a hard pass and wait for sales or the secondary market. Good Lord.

106folio_books
Oct 17, 11:52am Top

I'm definitely buying Starship Troopers (and seven others) but I have to say what a strange choice it is by Folio. If you were looking for a story to exemplify Herman Melville, would you immediately think of Bartleby the Scrivener? I suspect not. With Heinlein it must surely be Stranger in a Strange Land. That one's been on my wishlist for decades.

107Jayked
Oct 17, 11:54am Top

Eight retreads, Bond, kids'stuff, the very bottom of the Sayers barrel, potted history, potted science -- I think I'm cured.

108alvaret
Edited: Oct 17, 12:00pm Top

>84 LondonLawyer: I think you overestimate how useful scientific merit would be as a sole criterion in this particular case. Scientists may be reasonably good at differentiating between ground-braking, good, boring and bad science, but there is in many cases no consensus across disciplines on which science that is the most important. Even if there were a consensus on the most important science, that science may not be very readable for a non-scientist (or even a scientist in another fields). For an anthology such as this it seems reasonable to choose texts that not only have scientific merit but which also are interesting and readable to non-scientists, and to highlight some texts which are not in every other science anthology. To me it looks like the anthology has been successful in this regard. The ambition to choose interesting, readable and varied texts seems to apply to all authors, men and women. I think it is hard to argue that e.g. Marie Curie (not included) is not a more important scientist than e.g. Richard Dawkins (included), but Dawkins may be a more interesting and thought-provoking writer.

There are many more well-written and interesting texts with solid scientific merit than could possibly fit in a volume such as this, so it will always be up to the subjective decision of the editor to identify an interesting mix. In the end I would suggest judging the book on its merits, that is whether or not you believe it includes an interesting selection of scientific texts, not on the gender of the authors.

109sdawson
Oct 17, 12:29pm Top

The larger photographs of the books do not display on the U.S. site on my iPad. I checked them out on my Chromebook though, and they did work on that platform.

Assuming I can actually log in to the U.S. site, I see two books that I will purchase: Diamonds are Forever and Starship Troopers.

I already have the 1999 FS edition of Middlemarch, the prior FS edition of His Dark Materials, so will pass there, or would have considered.

Two books, $21 shipping to U.S. Plus U.S. premium of $20 over todays pounds to dollars exchange rate. . Still, the books look like they will be very nice.

110Diglot
Edited: Oct 17, 12:40pm Top

Not much of interest to me, with the exception of The Four Gospels.

Though after what I have read about Gill, I don’t know if I’ll be pulling the trigger on it. I already have a four Gospel synopsis (Synopsis Quattuor Evangelium) which is an academic critical edition of the Gospels. And I suspect Gill’s sexual relationship with his children would always be something that pops into my mind when I pick up the volume. Sad!

Though I do have nice editions of the Bible and other religious texts, texts which were written, redacted, and edited by people who apparently considered all sorts of reprehensible acts and beliefs (e.g. genocide) to be OK, so what is the real difference with that and a book illustrated by Gill?

Plus the price of it gives me some pause too ($115 + $11). The free diary I would get doesn’t sweeten the pot unfortunately (I never use the Folio diaries).

111SF-72
Oct 17, 12:40pm Top

>106 folio_books:

I agree about Heinlein. What a peculiar choice, and quite disappointing to me. Nothing against Starship Troopers, but Stranger in a strange land is far more interesting and thought-provoking. (It would have fit right in with editions like Dune, American Gods or Electric Sheep.) The price is also quite steep for a relatively short book. I'm not sure if I'll buy it yet. I already have the Virginia Edition (quite a luxury, but worth it to me), and while the FS illustrations are okay, I don't find them that good either.

The only other new title I'm interested in is SPQR.

112elladan0891
Oct 17, 12:44pm Top

Almost placed an order when I saw Vikings for thirty bucks, but they fixed the price while I was looking for other books to add to the purchase. As it stands, since there are no incentives to order now and I've been spending quite a lot lately, I'll wait till New Year sale to place one large order.

Must have:
Outlaws of the Marsh

Interested in:
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay - will acquire at some point to see what the fuss is about
The Folio Book of Children’s Poetry
Of Mice and Men - thanks for a new dilemma, FS! So which edition do I get now? This? The LEC? Both?

Maybes:
Starship Troopers
SPQR (although I haven't read it, I actually have a hardcover edition signed by Beard already)
The Four Gospels
Vikings - back to the secondary market, I think

Surprised seeing no cries of ecstasy at release of Kavalier and Clay - people have been wishing for it so often on these boards. Perhaps it's just too early and the fans will show up.

The Alchemist. Well, well, well ) I did expect it after Atlas Shrugged opened the floodgates, but so soon? From my prophetic post from October 2015 discussing Cult Classic Survey where Atlas Shrugged featured:
Ayn Rand - a HELL NO. Atlas Shrugged? Seriously? What's next? The Alchemist?
But to give credit where credit is due, Alchemist's book design is awesome. Illustrations, endpapers, title page, binding, slipcase - the whole package.
Is it the first time Folio engaged this artist?

113Sorion
Oct 17, 1:03pm Top

>111 SF-72: Definitely agree. Stranger in a Strange Land would have been a much better choice.

Love that they have published Of Mice and Men for the first time. That's a definite purchase and I hope after East of Eden and this that it signals the plans to publish more of Steinbeck's work.

Also will purchase The Vikings and The Alchemist. Considering the Folio Book of Children's Poetry as well for my kids. I like that they made it glow in the dark. The rest doesn't hold much interest for me.

All in all I'd say if every person found 4-6 books from the collection they like you would have to call it successful.

114venkysuniverse
Edited: Oct 17, 1:11pm Top

The Jane Austen set is discounted to £118 (much more than the stated 15% set sale) and is good value. I snapped up the set.

115NLNils
Oct 17, 1:26pm Top

A lot of the sets are listed at full price on the ROW website. Quirky...

116folio_books
Oct 17, 1:44pm Top

>114 venkysuniverse:

Maybe just in time. It's showing £188.40 now.

117Pellias
Oct 17, 1:53pm Top

If any Coehlo book, i would have actually prefered `11 minutes` i actually like that one (more) and i admit have read it a handful of times (i have five fingers), i don`t need the deeper meaning of the alchemist, i know and knew that already (i talk in riddles in respect for those that have not read it).

There are some nice books and really great illustrations some definite future must haves, but not at these prices, at least not now, after i fire the last nail into my bookshelf i might go on a (small) splurge, it`s probably that keeping me off at the moment

118Eastonorfolio
Oct 17, 1:58pm Top

Some nice titles, but is it me or do some of the covers seem a little boring? I know we are not to judge a book by its cover, but FS prides itself on this and The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, Starship Troopers and The Alchemist needs more "oomph" to me.

119Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 17, 2:26pm Top

Diamonds ... , The Pullman Set, and then I think I will be harking back to the Autumn selection.

Does that 10% voucher still work?

120folio_books
Oct 17, 2:30pm Top

>117 Pellias: after i fire the last nail into my bookshelf i might go on a (small) splurge

But at that moment you'll need to start filling the extra shelf space ... :)

>119 Cat_of_Ulthar: Does that 10% voucher still work?

Not on books published after 1st September, or I'd be looking for a whopping discount on the order I'll be processing tomorrow.

121dlphcoracl
Oct 17, 2:33pm Top

>100 gmacaree:

Graham:

I do not know how Michael Chabon and K&K will travel Across the Pond. Would suggest buying an inexpensive paperback version from Amazon.com, then reading the first 2-3 chapters. If it works for you, then the FS edition becomes a consideration.

122SF-72
Oct 17, 2:48pm Top

So far I've been able to find the discounted sets by searching for the words set, collection and series.

The website keeps on crashing, by the way. I never had that particular problem with the old website.

123Pellias
Oct 17, 2:51pm Top

>120 folio_books: This is going to be so good Glenn. I will eventually post pictures. Anyway, to the topic, If i had a time limit i would have gone in. But these books will not wander off any moment soon. I have some of these in B & N editions actually, and will take the time to skim some to see if they catch my interest. Some of these illustr. Naturally catch my interest i must admit.

124elladan0891
Oct 17, 3:01pm Top

>110 Diglot:
One thing to think of when considering purchasing something like that is where your money would go. If Gill were still alive, boycott would be an obvious answer. As he's long dead, I think one can buy books with his artwork with clear conscience.

Of course, if every time you pick up his book you'd still be bothered by atrocities he committed, I'd skip it.

"...genocide) to be OK, so what is the real difference with that and a book illustrated by Gill?"
I think people in general have a tendency to feel empathy towards a particular person stronger and on a more personal level than towards groups of people.

And wars and conflicts between nations have always been glorified throughout human history... I'm sure that thousands and thousands of people who are naturally repulsed by any cruel murderer would happily shake hands with George W Bush, Tony Blair, or other politician of choice responsible for many, many more deaths of innocent people and much more human suffering than any serial killer could ever dream of. One murder makes a villain, millions a hero; one death is a tragedy, million deaths - statistics, and all that....

Also, if genocide was perpetrated or called against a group you don't belong to, our genetic tribalism might kick in. Experiments show that people subconsciously react to other people's pain with more acceptance if they're being fed information that assigns people to different groups. And it works not just on racial/ethnic level. E.g. show a person a video of a hand being poked with a needle, and the area of his/her brain responsible for the person's own pain will be activated. Now, label hands as belonging to different, say, religions - Christian, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. - and people's pain areas will be activated more when looking at poking hands labeled as belonging to their group, and less when belonging to others.

125wdripp
Oct 17, 3:04pm Top

>122 SF-72: Yes, the site is crashing for me as well, although I was able to log in without difficulty. It continues to default to the UK site, with a pop up recommending that I switch to the US site.

126folio_books
Oct 17, 3:13pm Top

>123 Pellias: I will eventually post pictures.

We await them with mounting excitement. A bit like the day before a new Folio collection.

127Forthwith
Oct 17, 3:28pm Top

This collection seems a bit tired. I already have SPQR (not an especially good read), Of Mice and Men, Vikings and Middlemarch. With the ridiculous US markups, I am feeling a cure from FAD coming on.

128Kainzow
Oct 17, 3:41pm Top

Last year for Christmas I offered myself a copy of The Little Prince. This year I might buy The Alchemist and Of Mice and Men, though I didn't expect The Alchemist to be that expensive.

I haven't bought many books from the Folio Society for the past 3-4 years, mainly because I was a uni student and money was tight. I hope some of the books I missed on will eventually make it to the sale...

129Lady19thC
Oct 17, 3:57pm Top

Ordered His Dark Materials (don't have it) and a backup of Period Piece for a friend, plus the diary comes with it. Used the code and got my 10% off since they were not originally published after September 1st.

Right now I just can't see any title worth the while to justify the price hike in the new collection. Gosh, I remember having to reign in my purchases this time of year because I wanted practically everything and could not afford it. Now I can't find anything to get. Maybe my FS days are nearing an end. How sad...

130overthemoon
Oct 17, 4:13pm Top

I already have His Dark Materials; nothing else to interest me in this new collection, and the only ones on my wishlist now cost more than £80 (not counting P&P) which I can't afford - and which in any case I think is too expensive for a book. So like Lady19thC I think FS and I are going our separate ways.

131venkysuniverse
Oct 17, 4:13pm Top

The mole is definitely working over-time as I don't think I have ever seen corrections post UK working hours :)

132HuxleyTheCat
Oct 17, 4:22pm Top

I think it's a decent collection and there are a few that I would like, including Outlaws of the Marsh, but not enough to warrant paying the prices now being charged. I'll wait for a sale or do without.

133Jason461
Oct 17, 7:07pm Top

Well, Kavalier and Clay is an essential buy from me. One of my very favorites and one of the greatest works of fiction from a contemporary author. Absolutely beyond thrilled that it's been published.

134cwl
Oct 17, 7:43pm Top

Outlaws of the Marsh and likely SPQR for me - when they hit the sale - but that's it. So there are now three versions of SPQR - the standard version, Waterstone's version with additional photographs, and now FS. It's a good survey and worth a read, and it is a fast read. Middlemarch is hideous in it's new clothes, which is a pity. Definite pass on the reprints - easily available on the secondary market, with the exception of Pullman, and a definite pass on the anthologies.

135dlphcoracl
Oct 17, 7:55pm Top

Ordered Tales of the Greek Heroes and Middlemarch. I already own the 1st edition of 'Kavalier and Klay' - no need to double up on it until it goes on sale. Well designed and executed FS edition of it, though.

136Jason461
Oct 17, 8:29pm Top

Also, really glad there's now a version of Middlemarch that can be had without those awful woodcuts.

137wcarter
Oct 17, 8:32pm Top

I still cannot open the thumbnail pics for each book my ipad, and I am away from my desktop. Very annoying!

138kdweber
Oct 17, 8:35pm Top

>133 Jason461: Kavalier and Clay is easily my favorite Michael Chabon book but I'm finding it difficult to replace my signed first edition picked up at an author event.

139Jason461
Oct 17, 8:42pm Top

Who said replace? Supplement

140dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 17, 9:13pm Top

For FS devotees interested in the Arts of the Book - typography, page design, ground-breaking wood-engravings - the FS edition of the Golden Cockerel Press / Eric Gill illustrated Magnum Opus 'The Four Gospels' is essential. It is certainly a candidate for finest private press book of the twentieth century. For those who want to read in depth about the creative process and planning behind this masterpiece I recommend:

A Typographical Masterpiece by John Dreyfus, Bain & Williams Limited (London), 1991.

141Redshirt
Oct 17, 9:28pm Top

Back in August I responded to the topic about wished for Folio books and requested Kavalier and Clay. And here it is. So here goes nothing: I would also like the winning lottery numbers. A PM or divine inspiration is acceptable. I promise to buy more books.

142adriano77
Oct 17, 10:57pm Top

Just noticed that SPQR has a "cloth slipcase" in the description. I haven't seen FS do one of those before. Anyone know of another volume with a slipcase like this? How is it in terms of being a dust magnet...?

143Jayked
Oct 17, 11:10pm Top

>142 adriano77:
The Anglo-Saxons has one. I don't particularly like them because cloth rubbing against a book does more damage than paper and cardboard. Haven't noticed a dust problem.

144jsavoy
Oct 17, 11:39pm Top

The recent Moby Dick edition also has a cloth slipcase and it does attract an unpleasant amount of dust that is hard to remove. I have some bookshelves with glass doors, but I've been keeping Folio editions in open bookshelves to appreciate their beauty and because dusting is easier with the slipcases, but I think Moby Dick is going to have to go behind a glass door.

145adriano77
Oct 17, 11:54pm Top

>143 Jayked:

Thanks for the information. Good call about the abrasion issue. Guess that's another strike against it for me.

146NLNils
Oct 18, 1:05am Top

>145 adriano77: And what about the price? That would be the last strike against it, if I had interest in the book.
I do like that most of the slipcases of the new books have a design.

147leemeadowcroft
Oct 18, 1:09am Top

The Alchemist also has a cloth slipcase but doesn't say what paper it's printed on. Will be ordering my copy later today so I guess I'll soon find out.

148wwfield
Oct 18, 1:57am Top

I truly wish FS would quit stamping their curly monogram on every single new book. Sure it suits Middlemarch, but it's horrifically out of place on Starship Troopers.

Bright side is I'm saving money on books I'd otherwise purchase.

149wcarter
Oct 18, 2:52am Top

>148 wwfield:
Bond, Aesop and Vikings do not have the standard logo on the spine, but they do seem to be using it more, rather than tailoring the logo to the title as they did in the past.

150EuanM
Oct 18, 3:25am Top

Starship Troopers!! It's been on my wish list since I joined Folio 8 years ago, I can't believe they've published it. Zero hesitation, ordered straight away just in case. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it was hugely influential on me (after 8 years in the Navy, I've not always thanked Heinlein for that!).

I normally have to get spousal approval for a folio order, but a little while ago I'd got agreement if any of my wish list were ever published I could go straight in. What a start to a Thursday!

151Bibliogasm
Oct 18, 3:26am Top

Another collection in which I'd immediately scoop up a handful...were it not for the blistering prices. It's not even a question of affordability: I just can't justify what I feel are rather obscene prices. Perhaps being in Australia it's the added GST and the relentless price creep. Second year in a row where I will only purchase in the sales even though there are several in new collections I covet...but not that much! I used to so look forward to the unveiling of new collections - now I approach my keyboard with asbestos gloves, pop my choices in the wishlist and regretfully whisper to them, "I might see you again in 5 years."

152wwfield
Edited: Oct 18, 3:35am Top

>149 wcarter:

Bond is part of an existing series from before FS started on this monogram trend, Aesop and Vikings are reprints. All totally new books in this collection have that same curly stamp, appropriateness be damned.

153N11284
Oct 18, 6:21am Top

>151 Bibliogasm: I've been member of FS since 2007 and have a library of approx 600 titles. I too will not be buying from this launch or indeed any more new titles at launch ,because of the pricing. The Alchemist at £54.95 is crazy , with an additional £13.50 delivery charge, that brings the cost to a total of €78.00 at todays exchange rate. No thank you very much. I'll wait for the sales from now on , or more likely the secondary market.

154LG2
Edited: Oct 18, 6:40am Top

>119 Cat_of_Ulthar:

The 10% discount did work for me as I purchased 4 books from this new autumn collection, just yesterday, from the Canadian site.

155Bibliogasm
Edited: Oct 18, 7:08am Top

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156scratchpad
Oct 18, 7:22am Top

>137 wcarter: It’s the same for me - no enlargements on my iPad. Time for another email to customer services - I told them about this 6 weeks ago. No purchases from me until this is fixed.

157adriano77
Oct 18, 7:41am Top

>144 jsavoy:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion about the dust. I can't imagine SPQR's slipcase being black cloth will help matters at all.

>146 NLNils:

Seeing the price @ $130 CAD made me exhale sharply through my nose. Having said that, if the Principia episode taught me anything, I seem to quickly forget these things, haha...

158Fierylunar
Oct 18, 8:41am Top

>139 Jason461: I swear that's the unofficial motto of this group.

159folio_books
Oct 18, 9:16am Top

>153 N11284:

Bucking the trend, I placed my order this morning, despite the best attempts of the order line in Cornwall to deter me. I thought you would appreciate this, plucked from the email confirmation Folio sent me: ""Express delivery to certain postcodes in the Scottish Highlands and Islands, and Northern Island"

I have pointed it out to the real Customer Services and they are suitably embarrassed.

160Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 9:52am Top

>99 dlphcoracl:
2. The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Klay will be a novel most UK readers are not be familiar with.
Not sure why it shouldn't be - most readers I know have read it, and it's readily available in bookshops. I won't be buying simply because of the silly price.

>136 Jason461:
Also, really glad there's now a version of Middlemarch that can be had without those awful woodcuts.
There's an earlier edition with drawings by Robin Jacques that is readily available on the secondary market - my copy, in blue 'elephant-hide' cost around £15, Fine condition. Far nicer, IMO, than the ghastly lime green of the latest version - what were the FS thinking of? Illustrations look OK though (and not as heavily rationed as some editions; there are still twice as many in the Jacques version, if 'only' B&W). Aside from this, Eliot has never been served particularly well by the FS - a bit of a blind spot.

>97 gmacaree:
Superior illustrations to the previous editions,
Certainly more colourful! I certainly agree in relation to the Bretts, but for me the Jacques goes well, even if, I suspect, a bit understated for many. Each to our own!

>107 Jayked:
Eight retreads, Bond, kids'stuff, the very bottom of the Sayers barrel, potted history, potted science -- I think I'm cured.
A bit OTT perhaps, but I can't disagree that much, especially if one adds 'exorbitant prices' to the list (£75 seems to be some sort of new standard). I was pleased to see K&K until I looked at the bottom line! My own personal ongoing disappointment is the tired cycle of standard classics that FS seem to have got themselves bogged down with, the one glimmer of hope being the long overdue 'Of Mice and Men'. On the other hand, it means that I've been enjoying exploring the vast secondary market all the more, where there are some excellent bargains, especially on the slighly older editions.

161coynedj
Oct 18, 10:37am Top

The prices are indeed high, but I've come to accept the fact that this will ever be so. I have reduced my purchasing pace quite a bit in the last few years, because of that, and the fact that I really should concentrate on reading the books I have rather than buying more.

But that doesn't completely stop me from buying more. FAD can sometimes be managed, but never cured.

I have my eye on The Four Gospels and Outlaws of the Marsh. I had looked at Middlemarch, but I already have the 1972 edition and will stick with that one for now. I have already read several books in this collection and don't want to spend so much for these editions - Kavalier & Clay (it was good, but I doubt I'd read it a second time), SPQR (I started it but it never held my interest, and I didn't finish it), Of Mice and Men (a brilliant book that I didn't like), Starship Troopers, His Dark Materials, The Alchemist. I doubt I'll place an order right away - I might add those titles to an order after Christmas.

162ubiquitousuk
Oct 18, 11:20am Top

Hoping Kavalier & Klay marks the start of a series of Chabon books. I personally found The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Kavalier and Klay a bit long-winded. But Wonder Boys is pure comic gold. Might need to see some movement on the price too, though.

163NLNils
Edited: Oct 18, 11:50am Top

For the Devotees who are lured by the quality production of SPQR, I would strongly recommend to go to a library, bookstore or buy a cheap paperback copy. It really isn’t for everyone. I read the introduction and first chapter in a favorite bookstore of mine and her whole point seems to be what is not told by the sources. She then starts a narrative based on ante-reading the sources and that didn’t come off for me at all. The Ancient history sources are limited as they are and there is not enough around to do it properly, I find.

164RRCBS
Oct 18, 12:00pm Top

I placed an order even though I am disappointed in the price hike:

Strangers on a Train
I Robot
Starship Troopers
Kavalier and allay
Sayers stories

I actually stopped ordering from EP because the last book I ordered was $110 CAD...and now paying more for an FS volume! But this will definitely cause me to scale back and I’ve been really getting into LOA volumes lately (just ordered 15!).

165Willoyd
Oct 18, 12:30pm Top

>161 coynedj:
FAD can sometimes be managed, but never cured.

I'm not so sure. How would you define when cured? For some time, I've felt no need to buy an FS book unless it's both a favourite book, and (by my definition) affordable. FS have published a number of favourites of late, but very, very few have been what I regard as affordable. Certainly not £75 (plus postage) for a fairly standard FS edition. I've even been happily selling off a fair proportion of my collection. It may be just coincidence, but the plunge in my buying coincided pretty much with the move away from membership: the last non-sale book I bought was in September 2015.

166LolaWalser
Oct 18, 12:54pm Top

>163 NLNils:

her whole point seems to be what is not told by the sources. She then starts a narrative based on ante-reading the sources and that didn’t come off for me at all. The Ancient history sources are limited as they are and there is not enough around to do it properly, I find.

Mary Beard is a professor of classics at Cambridge (https://www.classics.cam.ac.uk/directory/mary-beard) and a public intellectual with more exposure than the average academic; she's also someone Folio has published before... so, probably not completely unfamiliar to Folio's customers who might be interested in another of her books on Roman history.

her whole point seems to be what is not told by the sources. She then starts a narrative based on ante-reading the sources and that didn’t come off for me at all.

"Ante-reading"? Not sure I understand (and I don't recall Beard using that phrase). Your point that ancient sources are "limited" is true enough--of course, always only relative to some other periods or specific angles--but objectively, ALL historical record is severely limited from any number of viewpoints. No historical narrative can be understood as absolutely true and exhaustive, not even that of eyewitnesses. The trouble isn't just lacking data about when, how, where etc. X (problems at point of origin) but also the changing frames of reference and context (problems at reception). To help us bridge this abyss in time we need expert historians, and historians themselves need constant renewal and appraisal of their assumptions and biases.

In other words, there is always interpretation, and old histories, compared to our contemporary efforts, tend to be MORE, not less encumbered by bias for many reasons.

By the way, if you have concrete examples of her "improper" exposition of history, you may want to address that on her informal public blog (A Don's Life) in the Times Literary Supplement--commenting only takes free registration--here's the link to her latest entry:

https://www.the-tls.co.uk/when-did-vesuvius-erupt/

167NLNils
Oct 18, 1:10pm Top

>166 LolaWalser: Thorough reply! I just wanted to point out that this book takes a different approach and the result is not to everybody’s taste. So to avoid disappointment, certainly at the price, I offered my opinion.

*Ante-reading I meant reading into the sources what is not said and more so taking the opposite as fact and find out what it can possibly tell you.

168elladan0891
Oct 18, 1:13pm Top

>165 Willoyd:
An alcoholic might not drink for decades, yet still attend AA meetings regularly.
I'm not a doctor, but attending our AA meetings and complaining about having to resort to discounted booze in order to afford it doesn't sound very much like the state of complete cure )

Btw, what do you think of the Of Mice and Men release? It's affordable, and - forgive me if I'm mistaken - I thought you were a Steinbeck fan and wished FS published more of him?

169LolaWalser
Oct 18, 1:54pm Top

>167 NLNils:

Ahh, maybe you mean "anti" (against) rather than "ante" (before)... :) OK, it's still not clear to me, insofar I don't see how what you describe isn't part of a historian's methodology--I mean, surely it's trivially true that people lie and that no source, no matter how ancient, is rendered particularly respectable just by virtue of age. Especially when we are talking--as we usually are--about "sources" that are themselves historical narratives. Assuming the opposite of what's said to be true and proceeding from there is actually rather reminiscent of the scientific attempts at "falsification". Not that modern science can claim primacy on that idea--it's straight out of Socrates et al. (and who knows where they got it)...

170EuanM
Oct 18, 2:22pm Top

Ordered this morning, got the shipping confirmation this evening! Folio shifting into December mode along with their Christmas launch?!

171Lady19thC
Edited: Oct 18, 2:30pm Top

>170 EuanM:

My guess might be that FS is getting less orders with this rather lackluster release, not to mention the massive price hike. So they probably are not too boggled down with orders right now.

172NLNils
Edited: Oct 18, 2:36pm Top

>169 LolaWalser: Ahh, maybe you mean "anti" (against) rather than "ante" (before)... :)

I stand corrected! Thank you for pointing this out.

My point is not that she doesn’t use proper historical research method. My point is that it delivers a type of book which isn’t unassuming general history. But enough, I made my point, you did yours. People can read back in this topic and make a little more informed decision on how to proceed.

173HuxleyTheCat
Oct 18, 2:47pm Top

>168 elladan0891: " what do you think of the Of Mice and Men release? It's affordable"

The catalogue arrived through the mail today and, as usual, the books are better presented than online. Of Mice and Men boasts a slipcase with full-colour wrap-around illustration, and the book has illustrations across the spread which I always appreciate as a nice stylistic touch. Although I have the LOA Steinbeck, this is one I may be interested to buy in the future along with a sale order.

174Jayked
Oct 18, 3:06pm Top

At 112 pages with a paper cover OMAM is perhaps less of a bargain than the similarly priced Bond and Doyle.

175HuxleyTheCat
Edited: Oct 19, 4:24am Top

>174 Jayked: I don't think anyone mentioned 'bargain', just 'affordable'.

Edited - incorrect numbering

176LolaWalser
Edited: Oct 18, 4:44pm Top

>172 NLNils:

Oh, please don't feel pressured to continue this conversation. However, I do want to make a few final general remarks for the sake of completing my train of thought.

There is no "unassuming" history. Everything that isn't a basic datum is a translation and interpretation. It's the crap way history is mostly taught in schools that obfuscates this fact--the almost-religious penchant for material to be taught as if it had been dictated by God; the lie that good historians are "objective". There are no objective histories. None.

The lack of opinion and point of view doesn't make a good history--if such a concoction can even be imagined. Great historians are valued for their interpretative powers and insight, valued as explainers rather than as passive repositories of "knowledge".

It's this personal, "assuming" aspect of their work that makes it worth reading long after it stopped being "the latest word on..."

As it happens, the last word on the topic can go to Beard with this excerpt from her blog entry dated September 30, History and fiction?-- a few very ironic remarks, given the criticism that got thrown her way in the thread:

The bottom line seems to me that different cultures draw the line between fiction and “fact” in different places. The obvious parallel for me is ancient historical writing. There it is clear that (as in Tacitus, pictured above) the idea of including entirely invented “speeches” from the leading characters in the story did not conflict with ideas of historical accuracy.

Students often think this is odd. But is it any odder than the embedded habit of modern historians to ventriloquize the thoughts of big political actors (Churchill/ Napoleon/ whoever… “was anxious that …”). And I have always been irritated by the standard tropes of historical biography, used when no evidence is present, such as “he would have …”. “like all such Rome boys, Nero most likely ….”. And so on.

It is (as Laura Ashe hinted) all about how you might imagine the past, fact or fiction.

177podaniel
Oct 18, 5:16pm Top

>176 LolaWalser:

Agreed--the material difference between fiction and non-fiction is that fiction, on average, tends to be better written. Or, in other words, most non-fiction is simply badly written (unknowing) fiction. At least Tacitus knew what he was doing--the likes of Francis Fukuyama, not so much. Now, if only someone would write a book with the title, "The End of History Writing."

And, yes, I love Mary Beard's writing and have already ordered a copy of FS's SPQR.

178Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 6:03pm Top

>168 elladan0891:
An alcoholic might not drink for decades, yet still attend AA meetings regularly.
I'm not a doctor, but attending our AA meetings and complaining about having to resort to discounted booze in order to afford it doesn't sound very much like the state of complete cure )


Good analogy! However, whilst I used to buy FS books because they were FS books, often buying books not previously read, nowadays I only buy them if they're books I particularly want to buy good copies of and there aren't cheaper/more attractive (to me!) alternatives. So...I am, for instance, not particularly into reading the Fairy Books, so they are all going; I'm selling the set of George Eliots because I've found I don't particularly like them, and the Everyman Classics will mostly do me when I get round to rereading (although I have bought an older copy of Middlemarch as I do like that), and so on. Yes, I do occasionally buy FS books, my most recent purchase being a copy of the older edition of Brideshead Revisited (very attractive, expecially the illustrations, and all for £8), but I'm pretty sure no addiction!

BTW, I didn't think I was complaining about going to the secondary market, I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

Btw, what do you think of the Of Mice and Men release? It's affordable, and - forgive me if I'm mistaken - I thought you were a Steinbeck fan and wished FS published more of him?
Correct on all counts, and the OMAM volume does look reasonably attractive and relatively affordable by current FS standards (even if a lot of money for a slim volume). But it has all taken too long to come about, and if I start building up my Steinbecks beyond the current paperbacks, I've decided to go down the LOA route, which, whilst perhaps not superficially quite as attractive, represents IMO far better value. Having said that, I subscribe to The Leeds Library, and they have an excellent collection of LOAs, so I'm currently borrowing theirs for the ones I haven't got copies of. So, in summary, almost certainly not for me.

179Willoyd
Oct 18, 6:01pm Top

>174 Jayked:
At 112 pages with a paper cover OMAM is perhaps less of a bargain than the similarly priced Bond and Doyle.
Assuming, of course, one is remotely interested in either the Bond or the Doyle!

180coynedj
Oct 18, 10:25pm Top

>165 Willoyd: - I too have "managed" my FAD by buying on the secondhand market (hence my possession of the 1972 Middlemarch) and limiting my purchases to those books I truly want a high-quality copy of. Many books are purchased in paperback or borrowed from the library, often including books that the FS has brought to my attention. Sales make some purchases more manageable as well, bringing the ratio of desirability to cost into a more tolerable territory. These are all management techniques. I would consider a cure to be a total absence of purchases, maybe to the level of not looking to see what is available or checking this forum!

That said, my comment was more tongue in cheek than a deeply considered medical diagnosis.

181Mr.Fox
Oct 19, 12:27am Top

I am an English teacher, and I have my freshmen read Of Mice and Men in the fall, while my sophomores read Night in the spring. It’s really nice to have the opportunity to own some quality editions of these books.

Now I just need them to reprint To Kill a Mockingbird, which my sophomores are currently reading. Maybe they can reissue it sometime in the first half of 2019.

182Willoyd
Edited: Oct 19, 2:07am Top

>180 coynedj:
That said, my comment was more tongue in cheek than a deeply considered medical diagnosis.
Of course it was - I.ve never thought otherwise!

I would consider a cure to be a total absence of purchases, maybe to the level of not looking to see what is available or checking this forum!
That to me would be managing - like an alcoholic who never drinks because they know it's likely to open the flood gates. If I was never purchasing, then I would agree it hadn't been cured. Nowadays, because I only buy occasionally and regularly go for alternatives, and the fact that I can follow threads on this board (but not in anything like the depth I used to!) without buying, that's what suggests to me that there is no addiction any more! Sounds tho me like you're pretty well cured too, but that depends, I suppose, on how you see it!

Whatever the true diagnosis (?!), this collection has proven pretty easy to resist - too many retreads and those that are potentially interesting too highly priced for my taste. Maybe that's the best cure of the lot!

183wcarter
Oct 20, 1:27am Top

The 2018 Christmas Catalogue has now been uplaoded to the FSD wiki here.

184NLNils
Oct 20, 3:30am Top

Thank you Warwick. Added it to my phone’s FS Catalogue folder for quick reference.

185overthemoon
Oct 20, 4:38am Top

>183 wcarter: thank you for that - looking forward to receiving mine.
First thing I noticed was a typo on the contents page! (biograpy)

186Mooch360
Edited: Oct 20, 4:26pm Top

Only interested in His Dark Materials, Black Beauty, and Middlemarch (not sure what people dislike about the green) from the new collection.

I was hoping for a new complete Holmes set. I don’t really like the silhouette series. I’m not interested in “selections” either. Also was hoping for more Dickens.

I ordered the Jane Austen collection and the Hitchhiker series in the set sale!

187Mr.Fox
Edited: Oct 20, 4:54pm Top

I ordered the Philip K. Dick set, as I had both on my wish list, and this allowed me to pick them up at a discount and with lower shipping.

188leemeadowcroft
Yesterday, 2:00am Top

Order now placed:

Mine- Yangtze Valley, The Alchemist, Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever

Wife’s- Green Pooh Book, Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights

Some reorganization required me thinks!

189Fierylunar
Yesterday, 6:16am Top

Having browsed through the catalogue I just received, I can't help but feel deflated. Plenty of interesting books, but at current prices I feel like my money is better spent elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see the new year sale. At current trends, my last order will have been made in January this year.

190Maretzo
Today, 6:19am Top

I have placed my smallest order ever: one single 007 book
Even for the Swiss francs, prices are too much!

191McLeanSloughter
Today, 11:18am Top

>189 Fierylunar:
I'm in a similar situation. I'll have gone a full year without having ordered anything. Lots of things that look somewhat appealing, but nothing appealing enough to justify the prices currently.

192alvaret
Today, 12:14pm Top

I tried to place an order but couldn't get the voucher code to work. Either a glitch or because I haven't ordered from the collection previously. Anyway, I don't want to support the ROW price hike by ordering at full price so the order is cancelled for now. I feel taken advantage of with the new prices and that takes all the joy out of the ordering.

193davidjbrown10
Today, 12:40pm Top

First doing away with membership, then scrapping the 10-instalment option for big orders, and now a website that's a chore to plough through rather than a pleasure to browse, have progressively killed FS for me.

194nicklong
Today, 4:56pm Top

The Little Prince alone is what may bring me back to Folio after about 7 years away!

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