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SantaThing 2018—bookish Secret Santa is here!

This topic was continued by SantaThing 2018—(pt. 2).

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1lorannen
Edited: Dec 7, 12:45pm Top

It's that time of year again—this is our TWELFTH annual SantaThing!

Important links
- SantaThing page
- SantaThing Help/FAQs
- Donations thread

UPDATE: SantaThing sign-ups are now closed. LibraryThing staff are making a list of books and checking it twice (i.e. placing book orders) now!

Thanks so much to everyone who generously donated a SantaThing entry on our Donations Thread this year, and to LT member mellymel171328 has once again volunteered her time to run it!

You can edit your SantaThing entry at any time by going to the SantaThing page, and scrolling down a bit to "Your SantaThings." Each entry has an "(edit)" link to the far right of that line. Click on the member name next to a SantaThing profile to read about their preferences and leave suggestions!

Any questions? Post them in this thread, see the SantaThing Help page for FAQs, or email me directly at loranne@librarything.com.



The Holiday Card Exchange is now live, too. If you'd like to keep the festive times rolling, head over to this Talk thread.

2mellymel171328
Nov 14, 2:17pm Top

SantaThing is the best time of the year!!!

3majkia
Nov 14, 4:49pm Top

YAY!!!!

4reading_fox
Nov 14, 5:51pm Top

Yay!
Is it possible to access to our prior sign-ups for wording requests etc?

5lorannen
Nov 14, 6:05pm Top

>4 reading_fox: Not directly, but if you message me, I can grab it for you.

6Petroglyph
Nov 14, 6:36pm Top

Yay, Santathing!

Not sure if I can afford it this year, but I hope to be participating again this year. Picking books for others is fun!

7mellymel171328
Nov 14, 6:44pm Top

>6 Petroglyph: if you find that you can not afford it this year then let me know. We have some amazing members who donate every year so those who cant afford it can still get to participate.

8WeeTurtle
Nov 15, 5:14am Top

This looks neat but I've never done it before. How does it work with mail and postage? I'm in Canada and we have something of a postal strike right now that is delaying things.

I probably shouldn't be spending extra money either, but I always ignore some of that around Christmas time and so far I manage. ;)

9Petroglyph
Nov 15, 6:21am Top

>7 mellymel171328:
I know -- I'd rather the money went to someone who really needs it.

>8 WeeTurtle:
You sign up. You indicate the amount of money you want to spend on this (in USD) and the bookstore you want to spend it at (amazon, a few US independent stores). Some stores offer free shipping over a certain amount, others don't -- choose your store accordingly, and include shipping costs in your budget. During signup you list the kind of things you want (or a wishlist), as well as the things you definitely do not want.

Once signup is complete, the LT system then connects you with your santee, another signup with a catalogue you can (hopefully) work with. You'll know what kind of money they want to spend, what store they want you to spend it at, and their list of wishes/hates. You do your best with that, providing LT with a list of books (title, author, isbn) that match your santee's wishes and spending levels. Someone else will do the same things for you.

Every other signup can see anyone's wishlist/hatelist and offer suggestions -- anyone's except their own. This is often helpful to secret santa.

LT then does the rest. After the deadline for selecting books is done, LT staff does the ordering. Changes in prices and availability lead to some last-minute calls for help -- there's a very active thread where volunteers step in and suggest books.

Orders go out, orders get delivered (hopefully). Depending on the shipping system used, gifts arrive anywhere between in-time-for-Christmas and in-time-for-Valentine's-day. Though usually in-time-for-end-of-year-activities. Mostly.

Here is last year's SantaThing thread, and here is ast year's arrival thread (where people announce they've received their orders).

10WeeTurtle
Nov 15, 6:25am Top

Alas, may favourite store isn't on the list!

Thanks for the info, >9 Petroglyph:

11guido47
Nov 15, 6:44am Top

Um, I seem to have been signed up "TWICE".

Please look into this.

12mellymel171328
Nov 15, 7:51am Top

>9 Petroglyph: I promise you we always have plenty of donations. We have never had anyone left out before due to lack of donations. Please consider going to the donation thread we would love to help. :)

13mellymel171328
Nov 15, 7:51am Top

>11 guido47: Send a message to >1 lorannen: and she will be able to help.

14lorannen
Nov 15, 12:42pm Top

>11 guido47: Whoops! I do see that duplicated entry for you—sorry about that! Got it taken care of now. You should be down to the correct number of entries (1).

15LibraryCin
Nov 15, 11:12pm Top

Yay! I will sign up on the weekend. I think I'll even do a donation this year. I was the recipient of one a couple of years back and would like to "pay it forward".

16mellymel171328
Nov 15, 11:49pm Top

>15 LibraryCin: that is amazing of you. :)

17paulstalder
Nov 16, 3:06am Top

Thanks, Loranne, for setting SantaThing up again. I hope it works this year :)

18Dariah
Edited: Nov 17, 8:51am Top

Thank you very much for organizing this event!
It's my first year on LT and so also my first year participating in SantaThing. I'm really looking forward to picking hopefully fitting books for my santee and excited what books I will receive in return. Getting new ideas is the best thing about this event for me!

19mellymel171328
Nov 17, 3:51pm Top

>18 Dariah: Congrats on your first SantaThing :)

20camelama
Nov 17, 10:17pm Top

Thank you for another year of Santathing!!!!

21LibraryCin
Edited: Nov 18, 1:42pm Top

Is there a separate thread for donations? I'm not sure how that works. Thanks!

ETA: Found it!

22bcrowl399
Nov 19, 1:52pm Top

This is only my second year participating in Santathing but I truly enjoy it. I also plan to make a donation. It is very gratifying to help someone who loves to read and share books with others. Thanks LT for all your hard work putting this together it is a magical event to look forward to and to experience. And to enjoy later as you read your books! Love it!

23mellymel171328
Nov 19, 1:55pm Top

>22 bcrowl399: That is amazing of you to donate as well! If you would like I can send you a message on how to do that. :)

24LibraryCin
Nov 19, 9:07pm Top

Can I ask how it works with the exchange rate? For example, I chose the $30 USD. I'm in Canada. I chose a Canadian retailer (amazon.ca). The total cost came to more than I was expecting with the exchange rate (just over $40!!!).

Will I get $40 worth of items out of it? Since $40 is what came out of my bank account and the prices will be in Canadian dollars.

I'm also planning to do a donation, so I'm trying to figure out how that will work. I guess whoever I donate to may not be in Canada, so that could be different, again.

25lorannen
Nov 19, 9:26pm Top

>24 LibraryCin: SantaThing entries are in USD, so, if you paid $30 USD (which sounds like the case), you'll get $30 USD worth of books. We estimate the exchange rate for your Secret Santa. I do this right before SantaThing every year, so Santas have some guidelines to work with, which you can see here: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/SantaThing#Exchange_rates_2018. $30 USD ~ $40 CAD. I also run order totals through a currency converter before placing them, just in case.

If you paid more than you wanted to, message me and I can give you a partial refund.

26LibraryCin
Nov 19, 9:35pm Top

>25 lorannen: No, I'll stick with it. Thanks, though!

27aventinus
Nov 20, 2:56am Top

>5 lorannen: Please, could you retrieve the text I used in the past edition of SantaThing? Anyway, I'll message you about that.

28seascape
Edited: Nov 23, 10:58pm Top

Is Paypal the only way to pay? I don't use it here in New Zealand.

29lorannen
Nov 24, 6:40pm Top

>28 seascape: Unfortunately, we're only able to accept payments for SantaThing via PayPal. I'm not sure about NZ, but in most countries, you should be able to skip the signing in/up process and pay only with your credit or debit card. Email me (loranne@librarything.com) if that doesn't work for you? Normally, we're happy to accept checks by mail, too, but due to the time-sensitive nature of SantaThing, that doesn't work for this particular event.

30wester
Nov 25, 6:28am Top

I am trying to decrease the amount of books I own so they fit in my bookcases again, so I think I'll skip SantaThing this year. I will help with the unpicked cases, later.

31nittnut
Nov 25, 9:40pm Top

>28 seascape: You can use PayPal without having an account. Check out as "guest". We did that when we lived in NZ and it worked just fine.

I am super excited about SantaThing this year. I've signed my kids up for the first time too. It should be fun!

32lorannen
Nov 27, 10:54am Top

Just a reminder that SantaThing sign-ups are closing soon (tomorrow!). Don't forget to sign up! If you have any questions, feel free to post them here, or message me directly.

33kristilabrie
Nov 27, 12:05pm Top

>30 wester: You could always sign up for ebooks! I pondered that this year, because of the same shelf-space issue {and then folded back to my logic of "you can never have too many books" (can you?? :) )}

34lorannen
Edited: Nov 28, 10:26am Top

We're extending SantaThing sign-ups just one more day! Now's your chance if you haven't signed up yet—sign-ups close tomorrow, Nov. 29th, 12pm EST.

35caras_galadhon
Nov 28, 4:24pm Top

>8 WeeTurtle: Regarding the postal strike, I would assume that this year, that'll impact when we get SantaThing books in Canada. Even though they're going back to work, there's still going to be weeks-worth of backlog to deal with, so I would keep that in mind. Usually, I get my SantaThing package a couple days before the 25th, but this year, I'm adjusting expectations for it arriving afterwards.

My guess is if you choose Amazon.ca, since they're shipping from warehouses inside Canada, those books will arrive sooner than if you choose Book Depository, which ships out of the UK or Australia (depending on book). So I'd counsel patience, and maybe thinking about which bookstore you want to use. ;-)

Even with delays, I still always really enjoy SantaThing (and I say this as someone who was here for the Great SantaThing Book Depocalypse of 2010)! :D

36lingahling
Nov 28, 6:03pm Top

This is my first time signing up for SantaThing! I shouldnt be spending more money. But i’m so excited to look at the books that will arrive!!!

37LibraryCin
Nov 28, 7:25pm Top

>35 caras_galadhon: Agreed. I am not expecting mine to arrive before Christmas, for those reasons.

38lorannen
Nov 28, 10:23pm Top

>35 caras_galadhon: Thanks for that update—very useful info! As I'm placing orders in the next couple weeks, I'll let folks know if there's any info pertaining to delivery times being affected that I find.

39WeeTurtle
Nov 28, 11:18pm Top

>35 caras_galadhon:
>38 lorannen:

Thanks. I did have a chat with the postal clerk today when I went send off a thing, and she did say that even though workers are now all on the job again, it's likely that anything not already in the mail might not make it for Christmas. There's a good backlog to get though. Although, I notice that my sister's Amazon prime packages came in at about the usual time.

I've been ordering books from Indigo.ca and getting them shipped to store, and so far a couple have been delayed and the multi-book orders have been arriving book by book rather than together. Not sure if that would be the case with orders shipped to personal addresses though. I believe the tendency is to wait until an order is complete before sending, unless something weird happens.

40caras_galadhon
Edited: Nov 28, 11:28pm Top

>38 lorannen: My pleasure! Just to give you a fuller picture of what's going on here as it relates to SantaThing, just over a week ago, Canada Post asked other countries to hold onto mail destined for Canada because the backlog had grown so big. While they've returned to work this week (they were on rolling strike beforehand), they're looking at delays of up to 30 days. Canadian mail is still flowing (albeit slowly), so the delays with Amazon.ca will be shorter, but anything coming from warehouses and companies outside of Canada will be held up for longer (such as Book Depository), at least until Canada Post starts accepting international mail again.

There are periodic updates here: https://www.canadapost.ca/update

I'm not sure if that has any effect on Canadian SantaThing participants, other than we should manage our expectations regarding delivery times this year.

(And on a more personal note, thank you for all you do to give us LibraryThingers such a lovely event each year!)

>39 WeeTurtle: Yeah, I've been doing ship-to-store with Chapters/Indigo too, just because I figure that circumvents Canada Post during the backlog, although I note they've recently put together a whole action-plan on their website about how they're dealing with the strike.

41wd40sw
Nov 29, 8:45am Top

This is my first year participating. I just joined Library Thing Earlier this year and am looking forward to it. My LT account is actually geared totally to what is being built as my future classroom library when I finish my Elementary Education degree.

So the books are indirectly for me, but mainly for my future students so on behalf of them I want to thank whomever is my Secret Santa and for anyone whom made suggestions. I am adding books almost daily to my library that I have already bought second hand, won through Early Reviewers or been given.

Have a wonderful Holiday Season to all.

42lorannen
Nov 29, 10:54am Top

Just one hour left to go in SantaThing sign-ups! Then the LibraryThing elves will get to matching. :D

43lorannen
Nov 29, 12:05pm Top

And that's a wrap (ha) on sign-ups! We've got a total of 518 SantaThing entries this year. That's up more than 50 entries from 2017.

44chessley
Nov 29, 2:58pm Top

Just a small feature request/question. I've noticed that on Santathing profiles were the person submitted for themselves you can click the member name to get to the users profile. On pages where you select the profile is for someone else the link isn't there. For me and many others I've noticed the someone else is my child and it would be useful for the person to be able to see what we already own to prevent ordering duplicates. Is there a way to add a link in the profile text that we enter? or make a global change to make the member name clickable on "gift" profiles?

Thank you for running SantaThing it was really fun last year.

45Helenoel
Nov 29, 9:21pm Top

>44 chessley: If you copy the user name and past it into the main search box , and then select member from the side menu it will bring up the member name so you can click on it and see their library.

46WeeTurtle
Nov 29, 9:34pm Top

>41 wd40sw:

I'm doing the same thing! Sort of. I'm finishing up my library tech training next year, with an entirely accidental children's slant. I'm building my own personal library with dreams of maybe making it into a non-profit neighbourhood thing, like a little free library but with a librarian to go with it.

47decaturmamaof2
Nov 29, 10:23pm Top

sorry, newbie here. I got the note that told me with whom I'm matched, but *where* do I go to see their list?!?! Halp!

48ChessFanatic
Nov 29, 10:50pm Top

I am having the same problem as 47.

Only search box I see is for my own library on the Dashboard screen, and then up top (under My handle, number of messages, Share, Sign out, and Help) that says "Search site" with a magnifying glass. No dropdown to select user name.

Therefore, response 45 makes no sense.

49rosalita
Nov 29, 11:27pm Top

>48 ChessFanatic: You have to run the search first, and then click the Members filter on the left side of the search results page.

50ChessFanatic
Nov 29, 11:37pm Top

Maybe I'm a moron. I try to run the search. No Results. Links on left do nothing.

To disguise who I am shopping for, I changed the user to "TalkToMe101" to simply illustrate what I see. It is shown below

Search LibraryThing

TalkToMe101
Search
relevancy | alphabetical0 editions; number of works not calculated (link)
Works search: TalkToMe101
No results.

Then, if I click any of the links on the left, it simply goes to my library searching for the name of the user, and hence nothing is found!

51ChessFanatic
Nov 29, 11:42pm Top

Nevermind - Finally found what you are talking about.

If Librarything takes constructive criticism type feedback, I will say that clearly this round-about way of getting to libraries is not even remotely obvious, borderline ludicrious, and specific instructions with illustration should be added to either the front page of SantaThing or else in the Frequently Asked Questions.

52rosalita
Nov 29, 11:44pm Top

Do you see a Members link on the left after you run the Search? You can try it with my username which I know works because I just tested it.

The only other possibility I can think of is that the username on the SantaThing listing is wrong somehow. But others may have a better idea to help.

53mmseiple
Nov 30, 12:10am Top

Maybe this is a silly question, but if the store chosen by the person uses a different currency, do we list the prices in that currency or convert it to dollars?

54WeeTurtle
Edited: Nov 30, 1:16am Top

On the note of finding libraries, personally I go to the list of participants and then use ctrl+F to open the "find" box and search for the person's name. That get's me to their santa thing profile, and then from there I can go to their library. This might be a Windows thing.

On ordering, are there options that library thing prefers? Like, should amazon items use Prime? Not really sure.

55timspalding
Nov 30, 1:17am Top

On ordering, are there options that library thing prefers? Like, should amazon items use Prime? Not really sure.

So, the orders are done by us, and my understanding is that we can't use Prime. (We're a business.) So if the price is different for Prime members, don't use that number.

56lorannen
Edited: Nov 30, 1:43am Top

>47 decaturmamaof2: Sorry for the trouble. On your Santee's SantaThing profile (which you can get to by clicking their name under "You choose the gifts for" on the SantaThing page), you should see their LibraryThing username (and Litsy, if available) at the top of the page. Their username will be a link, if they have marked the entry as being for themselves.

>50 ChessFanatic: Thanks for the feedback, and my apologies for the difficulty. I'm actually not sure why your Santee indicated that the gift is not for them. That option was designed for situations like, for example, the entry I created for my sister, where what I have in my library isn't really useful information. It sounds like your Santee's entry is for them, though.

In any case, a couple of tricks that might be useful to have around, for SantaThing and otherwise. Given a member name on LibraryThing, you can always get to a member's profile by using this URL: https://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME (and replacing "MEMBERNAME" accordingly). To get to their books, use https://www.librarything.com/catalog/MEMBERNAME.

>53 mmseiple: Not a silly question! When I'm shopping for a Santee using a different currency, I tend to use Google's Currency converter (just search "currency converter" on Google, and it'll appear at the top of the screen) while I'm shopping. However, we've also done some estimating for you, on the SantaThing Help page at each of the SantaThing price points.

>55 timspalding: is correct—we can't use Prime as a business. In recent years, I haven't seen much difference between Prime prices and non-Prime purchases of books. Mostly, as far as SantaThing is concerned, it means we can't take advantage of certain free shipping benefits.

57ejmam
Edited: Nov 30, 1:44am Top

>mmseiple
I was wondering this as well! And I'm worried about the exchange rate and not sure whether I should stay safely under (and leave some $ on the table) or squish in an extra book but then that might go over depending on how the markets shift.

58lorannen
Edited: Nov 30, 1:45am Top

>57 ejmam: Not sure what you're wondering about! If you're replying to a specific post, type > followed by the number of the post, with no space in between, and that will link directly to the post you're replying to (like I've done here).

59seongeona
Edited: Nov 30, 4:47am Top

>57 ejmam:
I understand what you mean, ejmam, and was wondering the same thing. I think I messed up already. I have $30 USD to spend, which converts to $40 Canadian. I chose the books from the Canadian bookstore and entered the Canadian prices on the form, which total up to just under $40 Canadian. I'm now not sure if that's correct. Do we need to convert from Canadian $$ to US $$ (or £ to $, or ¥ to $, etc)???? Thanks!

60ILuvBookplates
Nov 30, 4:39am Top

I'm a bit confused about dates. Do we have until the sixth or the eleventh to submit our picks?

61Arifel
Nov 30, 5:15am Top

So excited to be doing this again!

So I think I've finished, but just wanted to note that I found selecting for US Kindle quite tricky from the UK, as Amazon US often shows the wrong prices or lists things as unavailable because it's comparing everything to the UK store. I found a workaround with a VPN but wanted to 1. warn anyone in the same situation and 2. ask if anyone's found a better way to browse the Amazon US store "like a USian" from abroad?

62Arifel
Nov 30, 5:34am Top

Oh, second question - I filled out my Santee's form assuming that I'd be able to donate costs for a slight overspend ($1.49) - is that going to be the case this year? Otherwise I'll figure out a substitution.

63crazy4reading
Nov 30, 7:41am Top

Oh I had so much fun picking books for my Santee!

64calm
Nov 30, 8:14am Top

Interesting - I've got someone with a private library who has asked for things I don't read. I'll do my best but this one is a challenge, so there might be some work for the Elves if I really struggle.

65mmseiple
Nov 30, 9:16am Top

I understand that we have to account for the different currency when picking books. What I was wondering (and ejmam and seongeona, I think) is whether you want the numbers on the form when we list books to be in USD or the foreign currency.

66lorannen
Nov 30, 10:29am Top

>60 ILuvBookplates: Sorry for the mixup—I believe we've got that sorted. Gift-picking ends on Thursday, Dec. 6th.

>61 Arifel: That's very good to know—I don't recall that we've run into this issue before (always something new!). I feel like asking folks to VPN for SantaThing goes somewhat above and beyond. I'd use the exchange rates here, even if the prices may differ, and maybe leave me an extra suggestion or two in the comments?

>62 Arifel: Also, yes, I'm happy to let you donate to cover going a bit over-budget. Use the "Donate" button at the bottom of the LibraryThing Store page, then forward me a copy of your receipt (loranne@librarything.com). It also helps to include your LT username, primarily in the event that you're emailing from an address different from the one connected with your account.

>65 mmseiple: Thanks for clarifying! The price fields on the SantaThing forms are mostly there for Santas' use, so go with whatever is most helpful for you.

67SqueakyChu
Nov 30, 11:06am Top

Is there any way that you can add an edit button to the comments/suggestions box? Please?!

68Arifel
Nov 30, 11:36am Top

>66 lorannen: Got it - it won't affect my choices here but hopefully that's useful if others are having the same problem. And I've sent through the extra donation, so my Santee should be all set!

69lorannen
Nov 30, 11:48am Top

>67 SqueakyChu: I'm sorry, I didn't manage to get that on our slate of updates this year. That would require Tim's help, and he's pretty busy this week. If there's one that really needs fixing/deleting, message me and I can help do it on the database side.

70SqueakyChu
Nov 30, 12:14pm Top

>69 lorannen: Don’t worry about it then.

71mrsandersonut
Nov 30, 12:58pm Top

I love participating in SantaThing every year...so much so, I have two entries this year! I'm going to need some guidance for picking for one of my Santees though. My quandary is in regard to "raj89er." Their book request is blank and their library is empty. I was under the impression that in order to participate in SantaThing, a Santee needed to show an active interest in the site with at least a certain minimal number of books posted. How should I proceed with no information? I'm befuddled, Lorannen!

72libraryperilous
Nov 30, 1:31pm Top

>71 mrsandersonut: The participation requirement is a guideline for donations requests, but it's not a requirement for SantaThing itself.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to elf for you and send a note to your Santee asking them for their tastes in books or a link to their Goodreads account.

73mrsandersonut
Nov 30, 1:50pm Top

>72 libraryperilous: Thanks for the clarification, that's makes sense! I would be thrilled if you'd be willing to "elf" for me! I look forward to some ideas to work from! Thank you sooooooo much!

74libraryperilous
Nov 30, 2:12pm Top

>73 mrsandersonut: You're very welcome! I've sent them a PM. I'll send you a PM when I hear from them—or to let you know they didn't get back to me. Fingers crossed they'll be around LT and can give you some hints to go on. :)

75mrsandersonut
Nov 30, 2:23pm Top

>74 libraryperilous: Sounds like a perfect plan. I'll await your input one way or the other! Thank you again, libraryperilous. I've always wanted my own elf! By any chance, do you do windows, too? ;)

76ForeignCircus
Nov 30, 2:23pm Top

Do we have to fill in all the boxes? or will filling in just the ISBN make everything else populate?

77ChessFanatic
Nov 30, 2:55pm Top

Which ISBN do you need? 10 digit or 13 digit?

78LibraryCin
Edited: Nov 30, 3:10pm Top

>76 ForeignCircus: There's a help page here:
https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/SantaThing

I don't think anything will autopopulate. Look under "Saving your Picks".

>77 ChessFanatic: The help page also answers your question. It says it doesn't matter if you use the isbn-10 or -13.

80ferness
Nov 30, 4:32pm Top

My giftee did not include a store.

81WeeTurtle
Nov 30, 6:22pm Top

Another question, since Amazon gives the option, but should we buy everything "new?" That what I would do by default, but I'm having bit of a hard time with picks for my Santee since the ones I want are either expensive enough to suck up all the budget or go way over, and some are just awkward to get new and most available copies are used. I have other options, by my first picks are being annoying.

82lorannen
Nov 30, 6:28pm Top

>80 ferness: Saw your profile comment, just hadn't had time to reply until now—it's been a busy day!

83lorannen
Nov 30, 6:29pm Top

>81 WeeTurtle: Yes, please stick to new items only. We cannot order used copies for SantaThing, as mentioned in the help page.

84wd40sw
Nov 30, 11:00pm Top

I have looked at the person I am supposed to shop for SantaThing. They only have 5 books, in their library, no favorite author listed and the most recent book added to their library is almost 7 years ago.

Not to mention its not a category of books that I am at all familiar with. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

85lorannen
Nov 30, 11:31pm Top

>84 wd40sw: if you like, I can message them and ask for more guidance on what they might enjoy.

86wd40sw
Edited: Nov 30, 11:47pm Top

>85 lorannen: lorannen

Yes, that would be helpful. I also had e-mailed you, with the information. Thank you in advance.

87kaliwrites
Dec 1, 7:39am Top

Does anyone want to help offer a few suggestions for my Santee? They provided a very detailed message with their book tastes and although I had a few possible choices in mind, I want to make sure I choose the absolute best books for them. :) The username is dianawr

Thanks in advance!

88thebookmagpie
Dec 1, 9:49am Top

Just completed mine - it's four cents over the price. Hopefully that's okay but I can donate the difference if not!

89libraryperilous
Dec 1, 10:50am Top

>87 kaliwrites: I left you a few. :)

90thornton37814
Dec 1, 5:44pm Top

I'd like to suggest that the minimum needs to be upped for some of the book dealers lacking discounts off retail prices. It is nearly impossible to find anything fitting the Santee's guidelines for under $10 after the $5 postage has been deducted. I found shopping very frustrating when I selected to see "new" only and the used prices were still showing up. You had to click through to the used book and then find new on that page to see what the new book retail price was. This year was the year I had the least amount of fun selecting a book because of the frustration in having to do so many clicks to find a price and then finding I didn't have enough to purchase that book.

91guido47
Dec 1, 6:20pm Top

What do I do?

Leave $5.59 to fill other peoples surplus or go over myself by $1.60?

I seem to have this problen every few Santas.

Perhaps someone might suggest a Five dollar stocking filler for my Santee :-)

Guido.

92libraryperilous
Dec 1, 6:53pm Top

minimum needs to be upped for some of the book dealers lacking discounts off retail prices

I sincerely hope LT never considers doing this. There are a lot of people for whom $15 is a large amount of money. They should be able to participate in SantaThing. There are quite a few nice $10 books out there!

I assume >90 thornton37814: was stuck using Powell's or Amazon.ca. Ugh, those sites are a pain, even if you have $$$$ to spend. Maybe you can snag an orphan, Lori, and get a little extra fun out of it this year. :)

>91 guido47: Who's your Santee? I'll take a look.

93EllsieFind
Dec 1, 6:55pm Top

>66 lorannen: I just wanted to let you know that I forwarded, to your email address, my receipt for the donation I made to cover the overage on the books I selected. Thank you for letting us have this option. It makes it a little easier to pick, hopefully the perfect books for our Santee.

94lorannen
Edited: Dec 2, 12:37pm Top

>90 thornton37814: I can certainly appreciate where you're coming from here—I place most of the SantaThing orders myself, and there are always a number of them where I'm struggling with the budget. But I'm afraid we're unlikely to make the minimum amount any higher. We want everyone to be able to participate in SantaThing in a way that makes sense for their budgets. When searching for something good $10 or under, I usually look to the classics, personally.

If you'd like another Santee to pick for, I've got a couple of last-minute sign-ups who still need a Santa! Feel free to message me if you're interested in picking for one of them.

95guido47
Edited: Dec 1, 7:20pm Top

Hi, Thanks >92 libraryperilous:,

Can you just go to my name on the Santa Page. I don't want my Santee knowing who his Santa is :-)

ETA. I haven't seen his tag here. So... "aofl"

96GoodShipTBR
Edited: Dec 1, 7:43pm Top

>95 guido47: I didn't have much luck, but I left a suggestion on the page. :)

ETA: Err, sorry, posting from the TBR account.

97ChessFanatic
Edited: Dec 1, 10:02pm Top

>90 thornton37814:

It sounds a lot like what I went through (I'm guessing our Santee's chose the same book dealer). WTF? I click on New and it shows all these used books. You search an author, and it would say "Used 23, New 37", you click on the New, and 19 of those 37 would say "Used". Had no idea you can click on them to see the new price because some books would show as both used and new as two separate entities on the search result page.

Anyway, mine are selected, but still very frustrating.

I used to be a big fan of Borders Books and Music - they were geared more towards the younger group and emphasized more on modern books rather than really dated stuff (i.e. Barnes and Noble), and when they were in business was from my teens to early 30s. Once they went out of business (2009 or 2010, not sure which), I became an Amazon person. Barnes and Noble (the other major book retailer in my area) discounts nothing and I have yet to see another retailer that specializes in books that has had a decent Website. Maybe their in person stores are ok (I don't live in those areas), but the Web Design is so attrocious that I only shop at specialized book sellers now when Amazon doesn't carry it.

I did Web Development for 11 years before going into QA Testing.

Even the Books-A-Million Website is horribly designed. Your site is "Books-A-Million". Sure you sell other stuff, but books are supposed to be your primary sale item. Why are you a single small item on the menu bar? Why don't you have a simple way to get to say, book genres? Romance? Cooking? Sci-Fi? Etc.

Then, you hover over "Books". You are looking for Genres, which they call "Subjects" (Poor choice of words - Fantasy is not a subject - Math, Cooking, Agriculture - Those are Subjects).

You look at the list, and you see "Fantasy", "Horror", "Thriller", etc, and at the very bottom, it says "Browse More Subjects". What about one of the most common genres of fiction? Mystery/Suspense? Not the same as Thriller. James Rollins is Thriller. Vince Flynn is Thriller. Lillian Jackson Braun is NOT Thriller! Sue Grafton is NOT Thriller. They are mystery writers. Some bunch it with Thriller and call it "Crime/Thriller". Even "Crime" is better than Book-A-Million's design.

So where would these go? Fiction? Thriller? It gets worse. You click on "Browse More Subjects" and under books, you see a bunch of Genres. On most sites, this would then display all genres "or their garbage word, "Subjects". Once again, Mystery/Suspense do not appear. What's worse? It's not all the subjects. The word "Fiction" is repeated, but the rest are not! If you look, Fantasy, Thriller, etc aren't even on the list!

Very, Very, VERY poor Web Design. Outside of Borders (which no longer exists), Barnes and Noble, and Book Depository (UK-Based, so I don't typically shop there as shipping over seas can be expensive), I have yet to see a well-designed book site, and so I gave up and went the discount route of Amazon.

98kaliwrites
Dec 1, 10:03pm Top

I got some awesome suggestions for my Santee, so thanks guys! I also got a lot of books to add to my to-read list because my Santee and I have some similar interests. :D

One more questions, is it okay to choose paperbacks when picking my Santee's books? I didn't see anything about it in the FAQS so wanted to ask here.

99guido47
Dec 1, 10:04pm Top

Thanks >96 GoodShipTBR:, good choice. I took your advice.

100lorannen
Dec 1, 10:12pm Top

>98 kaliwrites: Yep, paperback is absolutely fine. Unless your Santee requested hardcover only, or something, I can't see why there'd be any problem.

The only thing we can't do formate-wise is mix formats across print copies and ebooks.

101kaliwrites
Dec 1, 10:15pm Top

Thank you for the fast response! :D

102ChessFanatic
Edited: Dec 1, 10:18pm Top

>94 lorannen:

Actually, you can still offer the 15 to 50 range but restrict selections of stores based on dollar amount. Amazon is a discount site, and so there you could stick to the "Dock $5 for $25 or less, full credit for $30 or more", but for sites that are full price (i.e. Powell, Book Depository, etc), if they do charge a shipping fee, let's say $5, then only allow those stores for $20 or above. I can say when I browsed I rarely found a "New" book under $10 - I found 1 author that fit their desired topics, but I rarely found anything under $13.95 that wasn't "Used". I had the challenge of finding a $12 item due to what was remaining after the primary match that I found.

So I can see where they are coming from and agree with that poster. What is wrong with offering 15 to 50 dollars, but reducing selection of stores for the lower amounts?

I know some people prefer the concept of shopping at book sellers rather than discount sites (i.e. Amazon), but beggars can't be choosers, and so those that go for the minimum $15 should maybe have fewer choices since this is not 1993. Back then, mass market paperbacks were common, and the price of a book was typically $6.99 to $8.99. Now Trade is more common than Mass Market, and so costs are higher, and like post 90 said, $10 is almost impossible for a "New" book these days.

103WeeTurtle
Dec 2, 1:38am Top

My trick for Amazon stuff was to click what I was interested in and then select the format I wanted. As long as it gave a price, said "in stock" and was "sold and shipped by Amazon" that was good enough for me. Other stuff got way complicated, especially as there were other storefronts that I wasn't used to dealing with.

I was just speaking with someone at an Indigo about paperbacks when I spotted a trade one at the store for a book I wanted. She said that it's roughly 6 months for a book to hit mass market paperback once it's hit trade paperback, and that's also after it's gone hardcover. It wouldn't surprise me though, that if a book is popular, people hold off on the mass market so long as the trade keeps selling.

104guido47
Edited: Dec 2, 6:04am Top

>96 GoodShipTBR: Err. I changed my mind again. Now I am about 85c over.

Like many others here I would be pleased if there was a way to repay LT for these minor, just over the limit, amounts.

I do realize that they can/do build up to something...serious.

Just a suggestion for next year. An opt in to drop, say, a dollar into an "...overspend by a little amount fund...".

Perhaps only for those people who opt for say $40+

Perhaps just a tick box next to the amount.

Of course I can see problems, but for these sort of amounts I don't see any serious scams :-)

Guido

105Arifel
Edited: Dec 2, 6:01am Top

>102 ChessFanatic: As you note, the difficulty in picking a cheaper "stocking filler" book from sites where prices are overall higher isn't JUST an issue for Santees with smaller budgets - a similar thing happens to almost all of us Santas who need to balance our spending, to make sure our Santee gets back what they have put in. Characterising it as a failing of those who have chosen the "wrong" site for their budget and are therefore making things difficult for their Santa is highly disingenuous.

106Arifel
Dec 2, 6:02am Top

>104 guido47: See Lorannen's comment >66 lorannen: to me, above! You can donate the extra via the link on the store page and then forward the receipt to the address provided.

107kkelm22
Dec 2, 9:04am Top

Can someone help me out a bit..? My Santee is in Canada, so with the exchange rate the $40US budget is approximately $53CAD correct? So I when looking on the Amazon.ca site I need to stay under $53CAD? Should I be recording the prices in the "picks" log as US prices or CAD? I've never done a pick for someone outside of the US so I apologize if my questions seem a bit silly.

108kkelm22
Dec 2, 9:50am Top

Could also use some help on suggestions for book ideas, as I am not, nor have I ever been a sci-fi girl so I am a bit out of my comfort zone in trying to find some good ones and there are only 5 books in their wishlist with rather hefty price tags.

109ChessFanatic
Dec 2, 9:57am Top

>107 kkelm22:

See post 66 - the portion responding to post 65.

110ChessFanatic
Dec 2, 10:57am Top

>105 Arifel:

Nowhere in message 102 do I say that it's a "failing". All I said was that, given that they want to maintain the $15 to $50 price range availability, that different sites should have different minimums. Let's say, hypothetically, that all sites listed have $5 shipping. If the cheaper end of "New" books on a site is $13, and there is $5 shipping, then they should set it up so that $20 is the minimum for THAT SITE, and do that for each site. So Amazon might have a $15 minimum signup while Book Depository might have a $20 minimum.

This is where the Beggars can't be Choosers reference came from. If you want to spend $15, your options would be discount sites (i.e. Amazon), specialty book shops that don't charge shipping, or E-Books sites (E-Books tend to be cheaper). If you spend $20, it opens up the specialty book shops that charge shipping. That's all I was saying.

You mention those with larger amounts having that challenge of the "last book" being a cheap throw-in. I am aware of this. I had a "$12 challenge" at the end. But adding a "throw-in" is different than not having enough for a single book that fits the Santee's wishes.

On a completely separate note, with the changes to many of the laws, many online sites have had to start charging sales tax for certain states. Did LibraryThing take this into consideration? Should there maybe be, next year, added programming so that when a Santee enters their address, it takes the state (or country) they are in and where we enter the books, and it sums up the total, it also adds the tax in. You don't have to disclose the state the Santee is from. It simply adds the tax. If someone really wanted to go out of their way to figure out which states charge 7% sales tax for online purchases, I guess they could narrow down where the santee is from, but they would not be able to figure out information that is confidential.

111lorannen
Dec 2, 12:45pm Top

>110 ChessFanatic: Sorry, we have no plans to restrict SantaThing entries by budget in the way that you suggest.

In the event that sales tax puts the order over-budget by a few cents, LibraryThing eats the cost. Very rarely it means I have to move the order to a different bookseller—typically in an instance where VAT is upwards of $10.

112RidgewayGirl
Dec 2, 1:09pm Top

>111 lorannen: Thank you. People can make their own choices.

113mellymel171328
Dec 2, 1:13pm Top

I have ran the donation thread for about six years now. I always give the person getting the donation the amount of the donation because of the $5 shipping. The donation amount has never mattered but people make the decision on their book store based on their budget. If they chose one that takes out the $5 then they want to support that store.

114wd40sw
Dec 2, 2:23pm Top

>111 lorannen: and anyone else would you take a look at what you think of the books I have picked for my Santee. They didn't give me much to go on with only 5 books cataloged, no favorite author listed, and nothing newer than nearly 7 years ago.

Their user name is: deb.stelling

I made my selections from the books, that LT was suggesting to her. I am at like .20 cents under the budget for her Santa Thing.

115libraryperilous
Dec 2, 3:09pm Top

>114 wd40sw: I think you made good picks, but I would substitute a psychological thriller for one of them, since that was the Santee's main request. Quite a few of those are published each month. A recent one might be less likely to duplicate one they've read.

Maybe some people on this thread who are fans of that genre could chime in on the SantaThing entry with some suggestions.

116ChessFanatic
Dec 2, 4:49pm Top

>115 libraryperilous: libraryperilous

Does a Political Thriller count as a Psychological thriller? Politicians have been psychotic of late, from Racists that want to observe a hanging in Mississippi to an Alabama Rapist that lost last year to Security Advisors lying about Russian Contact to gerrymandering in various state houses and senates!

Otherwise, sorry, I can't be of much help.

117libraryperilous
Dec 2, 5:19pm Top

>116 ChessFanatic: Ha! Very true. I checked the Santee's Twitter feed, and she's not a fan of the current political climate, either.

It's my understanding that 'psychological thriller' suggests a more interior kind of suspense novel, but I'm sure the Santa would appreciate any suggestions.

118ChessFanatic
Edited: Dec 2, 5:53pm Top

>117 libraryperilous:

Well, yes, post 116 was more "Tongue in Cheek".

Closest thing I've had come to a psychological thriller that I've read have been a few horror novels. Some horror novels have to do with mental issues or a character's crazy imagination. Not the same thing though! :-)

119WeeTurtle
Edited: Dec 2, 9:45pm Top

Perhaps we should start an "elf" thread for Santees to find people to help out with books picks. People post that they are willing to help and what they are best at helping with.

I've just been scrolling down the Santee list and looking at comments.

On the note of smaller budget, perhaps it would help in the future if Santees put whether or not they are okay with a single book? From local prices in my area, I would put $15 as a single book budget, taking into account taxes and potential shipping, but I can understand if some Santa's would wonder if that's something I'd be okay with.

120lorannen
Dec 2, 10:14pm Top

>119 WeeTurtle: Folks are welcome to use this thread for that purpose—in fact, you'll see me doing that quite a bit in the next couple weeks, once I start placing orders.

As to number of books—I think that's unnecessary, really. I've had maybe one or two members complain that they didn't feel that they received enough in terms of number of books from SantaThing in the five years that I've been running it. In the one instance I can recall clearly, they had missed the note that we were not able to order used copies for SantaThing. We're aiming for quality here, not quantity!

121ChessFanatic
Dec 3, 12:05am Top

>120 lorannen:

Wow! Really? If "Quantity" is your thing, E-Books is probably the way to go.

Speaking of which, my Santee didn't ask for E-Books, but I'm sure a few did, and so, just curious, what is the logic behind the $2.50 minimum per book? I have seen E-Books that are cheaper than that.

122Tropical-Library
Dec 3, 12:10am Top

Arrggh, can someone please remind me how to add a donation for a slight overspend? Mind's gone completely blank...

123lorannen
Dec 3, 12:17am Top

>121 ChessFanatic: This was put in place to avoid Santas filling up pick lists with $0.99 Kindle singles or books that are free to download on the Kindle store. We don't have anything against them, but they're usually more individual short stories (I think--it's been a while since I looked, as I'm not much of a Kindle reader) than full-length books. It's typically been a non-issue since we instituted this rule, but if you've got a question about a specific book, message me directly?

>122 Tropical-Library: The "Donate" button is at the bottom of the Store page. Make sure to message me with some identifying info so I can be sure to credit the amount to your Santee's budget.

124Tropical-Library
Dec 3, 12:23am Top

125WeeTurtle
Dec 3, 5:47am Top

Serial editing habit strikes again. I think I've updated my Santa'Thing half a dozen times by now.

Happy to provide elf help if needed! Even if it's just a library borrow comparison. They can bring up some info.

126calm
Edited: Dec 3, 9:44am Top

I'm still working on mine. It has been tricky as I am working with a private library and someone who wants things I don't usually read.

I'm beginning to think I should save some choices but I'm having a problem finding a book under $7, to get to the total. Every book I looked at so far has been low on stock or comes from a third party seller with a may arrive after Christmas note. I really want to try to do my best to find books that my SantaThing person wants.

Should I leave that last pick to an elf?

Edit Finally managed to find some books. Done :)

127RidgewayGirl
Dec 3, 9:36am Top

Just dropping in to mention that those who have not yet chosen books might appreciate suggestions of titles. And I know that one of my favorite parts of SantaThing is looking at the suggestions left for me -- I've read more than a few books because of those suggestions.

And I opted to get just one book for my Santee who had just $15 to spend. I decided on a book I'm fairly confident that they will enjoy for $14.99, rather than two so-so ones that would have gone over. What are people's opinions regarding quality vs. quantity?

128calm
Dec 3, 9:44am Top

>127 RidgewayGirl: I love suggestions as well and will probably leave some, after I take a break.

129kkelm22
Dec 3, 10:09am Top

An "elf" thread would be great. I am completely lost with one of the people I need to pick for and an "elf" thread would do just the trick.

130kkelm22
Dec 3, 10:14am Top

Thank you! I am still slightly confused on part of it though. If $40US is approximately $53CAD then I should be staying under the $53CAD correct?

131libraryperilous
Dec 3, 11:28am Top

Yes, suggestions are one of the best parts. It's almost like having extra books to open on Christmas.

I only have one on my entry. :(

(That was a massive hint, everyone.)

>127 RidgewayGirl: I've noticed that some people who feel strongly about quantity or quality make a point of writing that in their briefs. But, in general, I think most people just want to receive something rad, so 1 instead of 2 or 4 instead of 5 will be fine at both ends of the price point spectrum.

>129 kkelm22: If you'd like to post your Santee's name, we can take a look at the entry and post some suggestions. Or, if you're worried about spoiling the surprise, feel free to send me a DM with the name, and I'll take a look.

132ChessFanatic
Dec 3, 12:03pm Top

>131 libraryperilous:

You are one ahead of many of us!

I could fake inflate the numbers for you if you want, but my knowledge with historical fiction is about the same level as Homer Simpson's knowledge of cooking or any form of common sense, or Trump's knowledge of the US Constitution!

133lorannen
Edited: Dec 3, 12:36pm Top

>129 kkelm22: Yeah, we're not doing a separate elf thread. As I mentioned in >120 lorannen:, feel free to use this one!

134Arifel
Dec 3, 12:37pm Top

>129 kkelm22: >131 libraryperilous: i am ready to pop in with suggestions if you tell me where to look!

Last year I seem to remember we shared links to the pages (which santees can't access) rather than usernames, which felt a bit more subtle - of course if someone clicks and can't see the page, they will know you're buying for them, but it's less likely to be spotted than a username.

135lorannen
Dec 3, 12:42pm Top

>134 Arifel: Yep! That's right. So, using me as an example, my Santa could go to my SantaThing profile, and copy/paste the link into Talk here. That link would look like this: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=6

136wifilibrarian
Dec 3, 5:27pm Top

I need help with your suggestions for my santee, who is requesting on behalf of a 6 year old girl who is just beginning to read. They say they have the most popular titles, so some hidden treasure picture books suggestions welcomed. I am way out of my depth here. http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=328

137Tropical-Library
Dec 3, 8:31pm Top

>136 wifilibrarian: Made some suggestions

138WeeTurtle
Dec 3, 11:06pm Top

It's the anonymity thing I was thinking about with regards to elfing. I'll still keep on checking out lists and throwing in my comments here and there when they fit.

I understand the "quality vs quantity" question as I hit the same problem. My santee has a good budget, so I was looking at books before checking out prices and I picked out one that I thought would be great, only to find out that it would be the only thing I could get, with a few cents to spare. I opted for a good runner up and a few more choices to cover more of their tastes.

139Cariola
Dec 3, 11:22pm Top

>102 ChessFanatic: Yeah, my Santee specified Barnes & Noble, and most of the books were $3-6 more there than on Amazon. I manages to find three books for $40, but I could have gotten four on Amazon.

140Cariola
Dec 3, 11:32pm Top

>127 RidgewayGirl: People make choices. If they choose Amazon, their dollars are likely to go further than if they choose Powells or B&N. But I'd much rather have good books that I will enjoy than having my fee spread out on bargain books that I don't interest me. It was kind of hard to hit the right dollar amount this year, but I found three books that I enjoyed and hope that my Santee will, with 37 cents left to spare. Couldn't get any closer. One reason I prefer to request books for kindle is that it's so easy to exchange one that you don't care for--no shipping, and the credit usually arrives in less than a day.

141Capybara_99
Dec 4, 2:43am Top

>127 RidgewayGirl: RidgewayGirl: when it is for me, quality over quantity every time. I used to specifically say that in my Santa Thing instructions, but people rarely took the hint. I think people are uncomfortable buying just one thing that a person they don't know might not want.

142WeeTurtle
Edited: Dec 4, 4:24am Top

That was/is my concern. I did leave a note asking if they wanted to know the book, just in case it's not something they are aware of. It felt less like an addition to their collection as much as a compliment to it, or so I think.

Alas, the other book I wanted to get couldn't be reliably acquired.

143mellymel171328
Dec 4, 9:18am Top

Can I have some suggestions this year? I am in more of a stump then I normally am but to be honest I have never felt that I have been a very good gifter. lol

http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=117
http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=157
http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=210
http://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=492

Thanks so much for the help!

144kkelm22
Dec 4, 9:49am Top

I am feeling a bit incapable at the moment because I can't seem to be able to find the correct link to post but either way I am just fine posting the username: "ladyoflorien". Any help or suggestions would be great. Her book store is Amazon.ca and I can't go over $40 for her.

145RidgewayGirl
Dec 4, 10:08am Top

>143 mellymel171328: I've left a few suggestions. One of your santees mentions that they have an LT friend who knows exactly what they'd like. I'd ask them to advise.

146mellymel171328
Dec 4, 10:27am Top

147EllsieFind
Dec 4, 10:44am Top

>144 kkelm22: I added a few suggestions. You’ll have to check prices but none were in her library.

148ChessFanatic
Edited: Dec 4, 10:52am Top

>143 mellymel171328:

I was able to add a suggestion for 210, and provided ideas previously in 492, but can't help you much with 117 or 157 (just don't have ideas - sorry).

149lorax
Dec 4, 10:55am Top

mellymel171328 (#143):

I left some suggestions on the first of your Santees.

151libraryperilous
Dec 4, 11:58am Top

>144 kkelm22: I left several suggestions, and a quick check on Amazon Canada showed all of them available in paperback editions.

152EllsieFind
Dec 4, 6:16pm Top

I know the unpicked-book Santees are the priority right now but if any of you book elves have a little extra time to make suggestions on my own profile I'd be so happy. I love those suggestions almost as much as the books I get. My Santa picked early (thank you Santa!) and I didn't get any comments.

153libraryperilous
Dec 4, 6:56pm Top

>152 EllsieFind: I left you a small raft of suggestions. Happy holidays!

Still accepting suggestions myself, although I see I have been picked as well. :)

154Powderfinger69
Dec 4, 8:52pm Top

My Santee chose Amazon. Am I using Prime pricing?

156SqueakyChu
Dec 4, 10:03pm Top

>139 Cariola: I chose B&N over Amazon because I'd like to support that store. It's a brick and mortar store near me that I even visited today. I think B&N can use the money more than Amazon could so I don't mind paying a reasonable, if somewhat higher price per book to support a business model I like.

I'd also choose quality over quantity., The way I did it was to choose the books that I thought my Santee would like the best and then fit the ones in that came under the price cap. I found that easy enough to do.

157pantsu
Dec 5, 5:06am Top

Hello fellow elves! I've got some books picked for my Santee, but would appreciate any additional suggestions people might have (feeling less than confident with my picks this year).

https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=257

158ChessFanatic
Dec 5, 7:33am Top

>157 pantsu:

Replied - would suggest a modification for 2 reasons. You have the second book of a series instead of the first, and it is in the genre she says to avoid.

159EllsieFind
Dec 5, 8:43am Top

>153 libraryperilous: You’re the best!! Thanks so much. Happy Holidays to you and your family, too!

160wester
Dec 5, 8:59am Top

>157 pantsu: I added a nonfiction suggestion.

161olegalCA
Dec 5, 10:55am Top

I added a few suggestions, Ellsie! I too would welcome some suggestions since I have no comments and I've been picked. I usually leave a novel on my Santees profile!

162crazy4reading
Dec 5, 12:04pm Top

>161 olegalCA: I added a few suggestions. I am one that doesn't always like to add suggestions because I am afraid they won't like what I suggest, but I stepped out of my comfort zone and did it. I also love seeing the suggestions that are left on my Santa Thing page. It just reminds me of how many books are actually out there that I probably would never have heard about before.

163lorannen
Dec 5, 12:11pm Top

Reminders are going out now, but we're just past the 24-hour mark before gift-picking ends.

Tomorrow afternoon, we'll make any Santees who haven't had gifts chosen for them available to pick up, so stay tuned!

164ChessFanatic
Dec 5, 12:31pm Top

>162 crazy4reading: That's part of trying out books that someone else suggests. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't. If you do, you read more by that author. If you don't, life moves on. You shouldn't feel guilty for suggesting a book that he or she happened to not like. Did you put in the effort to match their likes? That's all you can do. If they like mysteries, and you suggest the Alphabet Series by Grafton, and they read A is for Alibi and hated it, so be it. It's not like you suggested a Danielle Steel book to a romance-hating mystery fan.

165crazy4reading
Dec 5, 1:21pm Top

>164 ChessFanatic: You are absolutely correct. My concern is what I perceive as being a thriller someone else might not think of it as a thriller. (You can replace thriller with any genre) I feel that they can be open to interpretation.

166lorannen
Dec 5, 1:25pm Top

>165 crazy4reading: Genres are pretty subjective, you're not wrong. But a recommendation made in good faith—even if it ends up not being a hit—is never a bad thing. Even if I don't end up liking the book, maybe I'll like something else by that author. And at the very least, I've learned something about my own reading tastes!

167lorannen
Dec 5, 1:26pm Top

I could use a second (or third, fourth) pair of eyes on my picks for my Santee here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=77. We have very similar reading tastes, but they're perhaps even more well-read than myself, which nixed some of my go-to picks. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious.

168ChessFanatic
Dec 5, 2:16pm Top

>165 crazy4reading: I know exactly what you mean. In my lifetime, I've gone through numerous genres. In the mid-to-late 80s, in middle school, I read classics (Tom Sawyer, 20 Thousand Leagues, ...) and Mysteries (Braun, Grafton, Kellerman), the latter of which carried through college. Then by 2000 through 2016, I had shifted to horror (King, Little, Keene, etc), Thriller (Flynn, Rollins, etc), True Crime (Phelps) and Bizarro (Mellick III, Ranalli).

Then, two things kind of happened at once. In 2016, I had problems with my account here, and apparently couldn't even remember the variables needed (i.e. email or whatever it was) to get the password reset. At that same time, I had pretty much quit reading fiction and went to reading chess books full time, which made the handle inappropriate at the time as well (though I think the profile still exists on here - ThrillerFan). So I opened up this one in 2016 and eliminated the fiction and Opening Theory books (except for the one or two that I'm currently reading for the 2019 challenge), knowing I needed to focus on middlegame and endgame books along with game collections.

However, long story short, what I have used to assign genres (in fiction, can't speak for non-fiction) to authors is www.fantasticfiction.co.uk. You search for an author, go to their page, and under their profile but above their book list is the genre(s) that they write (or wrote in the case of the deceased). It's a little more specific sometimes than just the one letter abbreviation on the author list by last name abbreviation.

169crazy4reading
Dec 5, 3:17pm Top

>168 ChessFanatic: Thanks for that site! I did see that link earlier and looked at it. I will have to add it to my bookmark bar on my web browser. I love sites like that! My tastes fluctuate along with the mood I am in as to what I want to read.

170libraryperilous
Dec 5, 3:31pm Top

>168 ChessFanatic: You know, I had wondered what happened to ThrillerFan. It's nice to know you're still around!

171libraryperilous
Dec 5, 3:43pm Top

>161 olegalCA:, >162 crazy4reading: Happy to enable your suggestions requests. Merry merry!

172ChessFanatic
Dec 5, 4:42pm Top

>170 libraryperilous: Yep, I'm still here. About the only differences between "ThrillerFan" and "ChessFanatic" is the genre of books in the library, and some added arthritis for the latter! Jeez, and it hit so suddenly. May 2017 and BOOM! Along with turning 42 then comes the early stages of joint problems, predominantly hips, knees, and heels - maybe once or twice thus far in a year-and-a-half time one of the shoulders, but mainly the other three. Hip and heel problems constant of late while the knee issues mainly seem to happen when the temperature drops significantly one from day to the next, like this week where it was over 70 on Sunday and can't get out of the 40s today!

174pantsu
Edited: Dec 5, 6:25pm Top

>158 ChessFanatic: FWIW, you don't need to have read Sandstorm to understand Map of Bones....in fact I read Sandstorm far later than I read Map of Bones and there's only 1 character that crosses over between books. I barely even realized they were the same series! Also, these are thrillers??! I think of them as more adventure fiction and my Santee has Dan Brown in her library (Rollins is often compared to Brown, but I find Brown formulaic and predictable). I wasn't sure what constituted thrillers, so looked up 'thriller' on amazon and found a lot of things that I don't read, so I guessed that this one would be okay (maybe I associate thriller with some kind of psychological thrill in a novel? IDK).

>160 wester: thank you!

175Tropical-Library
Dec 5, 8:34pm Top

Hey Lorannen, just noticed that https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=541 says "Secret Santa is ." A ghost maybe? I was trying to make a suggestion but I don't know how to find people on Litsy

176lorannen
Dec 6, 12:04am Top

>175 Tropical-Library: Not a glitch—they were a late entry, and haven't got a Santa yet. If you're volunteering, I'll happily match you up.

177Tropical-Library
Edited: Dec 6, 12:46am Top

>176 lorannen: Sure thing, if you can tell me how to check Litsy

178lorannen
Dec 6, 12:57am Top

>177 Tropical-Library: Ah, right. I'll have to message them to get them to link their Litsy and LibraryThing accounts. Then you'll be able to see the books they've "stacked" (Stacks on Litsy are kind of like Collections on LT, only there's just three set ones possible: To read, Reading, and Have read). I'll message you once I get that info?

179Tropical-Library
Dec 6, 1:43am Top

>178 lorannen: Thanks for that

180EllsieFind
Dec 6, 9:25am Top

>153 libraryperilous: >161 olegalCA: >162 crazy4reading: Thanks so much for making suggestions! I added a few to your ST profiles, too. Have a wonderful holiday season and happy reading!

181libraryperilous
Dec 6, 9:39am Top

>180 EllsieFind: Thank you!

>172 ChessFanatic: Bummer. But, as my mom is fond of saying, the great thing about getting older is we only have to do it once.

182crazy4reading
Dec 6, 10:27am Top

>180 EllsieFind: Thank you!! I so love to see recommendations. I have found some great reads through the suggestions during Santa Thing!

183lorannen
Dec 6, 11:53am Top

All right, elves—get ready! Soon, volunteer Santas will be able to "adopt" Santees who haven't had books picked for them yet.

We're going to be about an hour late in opening up unpicked Santees (so, 1pm EST). Stay tuned!

184lorannen
Edited: Dec 6, 12:54pm Top

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185genesisdiem
Dec 6, 1:09pm Top

oh, no! I am an orphan! *sniffle*

186libraryperilous
Dec 6, 1:09pm Top

>185 genesisdiem: I AM JEALOUS!!!! :)

187genesisdiem
Dec 6, 1:12pm Top

I admit it's nice to get a lot of recs. This is the first time it's happened to me bc I usually get picked early. I always try to leave my pickee up a few days to get some postings on their list. But my TBR pile is going to be huge this year, I already know it. :)

188libraryperilous
Dec 6, 1:15pm Top

>187 genesisdiem: Yes, that's my main reason for hoping for at least one orphaning. This is my sixth (seventh?) ST, and it hasn't happened yet. I did get several recs this year, partly because I plugged my entry on this thread. Thanks, everyone, who chimed in!

189ChessFanatic
Dec 6, 1:30pm Top

>187 genesisdiem: I guess the sad part is what if there are a lot of recs already and you are still orphanized? I seem to recall of the 34 left, many had comment counts higher than 0.

190calm
Dec 6, 1:37pm Top

>189 ChessFanatic: - the one's that are unpicked have had time for people who want to do more SantaThinging to leave suggestions. I took a look at a few after I had picked for my Santee.

191ChessFanatic
Dec 6, 1:39pm Top

>190 calm: I also made many suggestions after picking for my Santee. I even saw a couple of them were taken and put as items!

192genesisdiem
Dec 6, 1:40pm Top

I agree. I'm usually good about hopping around and commenting with recs but I haven't really read anything not school related this year. Hopefully next year though.

193lorannen
Dec 6, 1:40pm Top

>189 ChessFanatic: and >190 calm: Yeah, folks are smart and helpful and tend to focus suggestions on those still marked as unpicked.

>185 genesisdiem: Don't worry! I've been an orphan a couple times myself and my volunteer Santa(s) have always stepped up and done a fantastic job.

Sorry for the delay, folks. A bit more waiting, it looks like.

194EllsieFind
Dec 6, 2:29pm Top

This year I've been searching (0 Comments) on the ST page and trying to make at least a suggestion or two, whether picked or not, as I love getting suggestions myself. Most of the unpicked have suggestions now but there are quite a few already picked that are still 0s. Busy, busy elves, have lots more fun ahead.

195neverstopreading
Dec 6, 2:38pm Top

I was adopted at birth. I was adopted last year (I think). And I'm going to be adopted again this year.

But there are some comments on mine, so at least I have some good suggestions :)

That being said, I am not that surprised. My interests sections might have made some people uncomfortable, but I gave plenty of alternatives.

196neverstopreading
Dec 6, 2:40pm Top

>183 lorannen: How do I help?

197ChessFanatic
Edited: Dec 6, 2:58pm Top

>195 neverstopreading: LOL - Your comment about people being uncomfortable made me look and see which one was yours, and once saw it I was like "Oh, THAT one!" (LOL!) Funny part is, I actually posted a suggestion back on Monday. Sex topics never bothered me, and I was raised Catholic before converting to Lutheran at marriage (My father-in-law is a Lutheran pastor - would never have won the religion battle - at least Lutheran is fairly close to Catholic and sometimes referred to as "Catholic Lite", unlike say, Southern Baptist!), and so I didn't see finding a suggestion for yours to be all that terribly difficult.

This is my first year doing this in a while. Last time was under my older identity probably 4 or 5 years ago. Most years I've enjoyed this (this one included), though I have to admit, speaking of uncomfortable situations, there was one year where I had to shop for one that wanted books on Born-Again Christianity. NOT an easy topic at all when you combine the fact that it's a touchy subject (Religion or Politics) and then add the fact that it's something that you know absolutely nothing about because someone told you one time what it was and the first thing that I got from it was "Just nod your head yes and walk away as quickly as possible!", which I what I did. So when it's not only a touchy subject like religion, but also a subject that you have zero agreement with (in my case, this "born-again" stuff when it comes to Christianity), it becomes more of a nightmare than an enjoyment!

Hope your Santa gets you something you like!

198genesisdiem
Dec 6, 2:57pm Top

>195 neverstopreading: - I added a few that I found doing a general search but I dislike doing that since I can't vouch for how good they are. But I thought since is a difficult subject, maybe it will help.

199lorannen
Edited: Dec 6, 3:05pm Top

All right, it's that time, finally! If you'd like to help out as an elf, and choose books for unpicked Santees:

- Go to the SantaThing page
- Look under "Needs a new Santa!"
- Click on the username to go to their SantaThing profile
- To claim the Santee for yourself, you must click the "Grab this member for yourself" link at the top of their SantaThing profile!

200libraryperilous
Dec 6, 3:06pm Top

>196 neverstopreading: Once Loranne releases the orphans, you can go to the SantaThing page and snag any that you want by going to their profile and adopting them. She'll post here that the season is open.

201lorannen
Dec 6, 3:08pm Top

202neverstopreading
Dec 6, 3:10pm Top

>197 ChessFanatic: >198 genesisdiem: Thank you both - I knew it would be a difficult, but whoever does end up picking for me, I have a lot of books in my wishlist, and I'm always OK with the LT swag. :-)

203libraryperilous
Dec 6, 3:17pm Top

>201 lorannen: Huzzah!

As always, I was greedy and snagged two orphans.

Also as always, I will be super happy to let someone else take one if they missed the adoption party. Just let me know.

204Cfraser
Dec 6, 3:32pm Top

Ive grabbed one, will complete in the next few hours.

Last year I was an orphan and it was pretty good, this year my Santa selected books for me at the last minute, only one comment though :/

205genesisdiem
Dec 6, 3:41pm Top

Bah! Just when I think I've picked a great set, I'm left with $4.25... Now I have to go back and rearrange things..

206libraryperilous
Dec 6, 3:50pm Top

>205 genesisdiem: Wordsworth or Dover Thrift Classics if applicable?

207rosalita
Dec 6, 3:56pm Top

Thank you! I chose not to participate myself this year because I just don't need any more books but my favorite part has always been picking for my Santee so I'm happy that I got a chance to do that.

208genesisdiem
Dec 6, 4:01pm Top

>206 libraryperilous: I replaced a $12 pick with a $15 one. I just balk at spending that much for a book instead of dividing it into two. But paper books instead of ebooks are always harder when it comes to matching prices.

209booksnesread
Dec 6, 4:10pm Top

Hi, All - I got two orphans, but was $0.12 over for one of them. I hope that's ok!

210EllsieFind
Dec 6, 4:28pm Top

Hello Elves, Although I've picked my books, my Santee only has suggestions from me. If anyone has a spare moment to make a few more suggestions, that would be so happy-making.
Here's the profile link: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=333

211rosalita
Dec 6, 4:42pm Top

>210 EllsieFind: Those topics aren't in my wheelhouse, but I can say that you made a great choice with the first book — I loved that one!

212SouthernKiwi
Dec 6, 4:44pm Top

I'm an orphan for the first time this year so thank you whoever has adopted me! Usually I'm picked early and don't end up with many recommendations so definitely looking forward to some extra suggestions this year :-)

213Arifel
Dec 6, 4:54pm Top

I was supposed to be packing for a weekend away but instead I seem to have adopted and picked for three extra Santees. Oops!

214lorannen
Dec 6, 4:59pm Top

We're closing in on having everyone picked! Amazing work, everyone. Thanks so much to each and every one of you. At this point, all Santees have been claimed. If you find you're unable to pick for someone you claimed, let me know! I can help.

215lorannen
Dec 6, 5:00pm Top

>213 Arifel: Oops, indeed! Have a great trip!

216rosalita
Dec 6, 5:09pm Top

I ended up claiming two orphaned Santees, and I had so much fun picking for them. I have been orphaned in past years and it's hard not to feel rejected when that happens, but I want the two people I picked for to know that I chose their books with just as much care and thought as I would have if they had been my regular assigned Santees.

217libraryperilous
Dec 6, 5:09pm Top

>210 EllsieFind: Great picks! I left some suggestions for your Santee.

>213 Arifel: You can just buy what you need when you get there. :)

218genesisdiem
Dec 6, 5:19pm Top

YAY! Thank you everyone for your recs! I am super excited to see what's next on my TBR list!

Now comes the hard part of not peeking before the big reveal... so, so very tempted... 0:)

219Arifel
Dec 6, 5:19pm Top

>217 libraryperilous: Absolutely! I looked it up and there's actually a big book shop right outside the train station which I'm planning to check out as soon as I get in.

That's what you meant, right? ;)

220libraryperilous
Dec 6, 5:30pm Top

>219 Arifel: lol, rule #1 of travel is always leave room in your bag for a stack of books from your shelf. Rule #2 is always leave room in your bag for any books you buy along the way.

Happy browsing in the near-the-train station bookshop! I love train stations, so a book shop next to one sounds quite lovely.

221rosalita
Dec 6, 5:37pm Top

>218 genesisdiem: Do you mean peeking at what your Santa suggested for you? Because I don't think you can actually see that page until Christmas, although I might not be remembering that correctly. Otherwise, I would spoil my surprise every time -- I have no willpower! :-)

222EllsieFind
Dec 6, 5:51pm Top

>217 libraryperilous: Awesome suggestions! Thank you so much. Some of those just might end up in my library, too ;>)

223lorannen
Dec 6, 5:53pm Top

>221 rosalita: You can't while signed in as yourself, but if you sign out of LibraryThing and then go to your SantaThing profile...

Unless you have a private SantaThing profile, in which case there's no way to peek.

224EllsieFind
Edited: Dec 6, 6:02pm Top

>218 genesisdiem: I know, right, I didn't make it last year. I just couldn't resist the allure of that lovely bundle sitting on my table winking at me every time I passed it by. I'm going to do better this year ...

>223 lorannen: Oh no! I didn't know that!! One more way to test my willpower. Sigh

225EllsieFind
Dec 6, 6:04pm Top

>211 rosalita: That is great to hear. Thank you for telling me.

226pantsu
Dec 6, 6:16pm Top

Left some suggestions on a few of the unpicked folks...hope they helped!

227Cfraser
Dec 6, 6:30pm Top

I have a potentially stupid question - on amazon, how can I check what currency is being shown. I am in Australia but selected a US zip code - I am not signed into my amazon account. I want to make sure so I get the costings right

228lorannen
Dec 6, 6:32pm Top

>227 Cfraser: I believe it defaults to showing local currency, where possible. But it should definitely say what currency it's in if you add items to your cart, and then look at your cart page. If you need me to look a specific item to double-check that, let me know.

229lorannen
Dec 6, 6:36pm Top

>228 lorannen: and now I'm seeing conflicting reports online. Some folks are saying it only converts to local currency if you're signed in.

230Cfraser
Dec 6, 6:36pm Top

i wanted to avoid signing in/creating an account (to go to cart that was needed), but I have gone through the process and discovered the correct amount - book depository it is a lot easier to chance currencies when viewing

231lorannen
Dec 6, 6:49pm Top

>230 Cfraser: I'm not sure how Book Depository helps here? They often have different prices than Amazon.

232Cfraser
Dec 6, 6:52pm Top

sorry for the confusion, it was just a general comment not specific to my current question

233lorannen
Dec 6, 7:04pm Top

>231 lorannen: Ah! I see. Sorry for the trouble there. Book Depository is generally easier on that point, yes!

234mellymel171328
Dec 6, 7:16pm Top

This year was the first year I didn't pick anything for my match up. This week has been crazy and I feel bad about it. :(

235jburlinson
Dec 6, 7:45pm Top

I just checked and it appears there are still 3 unpicked. I'd be glad to take any or all of these. Just let me know. Thanks.

236Cfraser
Dec 6, 8:00pm Top

Also, if anyone wants any further suggestions on their own one let me know :) i always like sharing my favourite books.

237rosalita
Dec 6, 8:06pm Top

>223 lorannen: OK, I'm just going to pretend you didn't tell me that! :-D

238EllsieFind
Edited: Dec 6, 9:36pm Top

>236 Cfraser: I would love more suggestions on my SantaThing Profile. I love suggestions! The more the merrier. And, if you have even a little more time, I would also love some more suggestions on my Santee's profile https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=333
I have to leave the office now but when I get home I'll take a look at yours, too :)
Edit: Whoops! I just realized I already left some for you. Hope you like them.

239lorannen
Dec 6, 9:38pm Top

>235 jburlinson: thanks for the offer! Those last 3 are taken care of (I've talked to the Santa's), so I think we're all set! Tomorrow we start checking libraries, so I may be putting out calls for suggestions at that point.

240Cfraser
Edited: Dec 6, 9:50pm Top

>238 EllsieFind: EllsieFind Will do so :) (just eating lunch)

241WeeTurtle
Dec 7, 6:08am Top

Last I peeked I think I had two suggestions. Not sure. More wouldn't hurt. ;). I'm concerned now because I bought a book today that might fall into what I suggested, but it was technically over-budget so fingers crossed and I won't read it until my Santa's stuff gets here. (I got a gift enclosure for myself just in case. ;))

Now I'm slightly concerned that Amazon.com may have had the wrong pricing for me. I didn't sign in, and just assumed it would display in USD, especially since Amazon.ca tends to stick "CDN" in front of everything.

242EllsieFind
Dec 7, 7:42am Top

>241 WeeTurtle: I added some suggestions around a shared interest of ours. Hopefully one or more will work for you. Wishing you and your family a wonderful holiday season.

243neverstopreading
Dec 7, 10:49am Top

If I requested the books from Amazon.com Kindle, when can I expect to receive them?

244lorannen
Edited: Dec 7, 11:07am Top

>243 neverstopreading: Dec. 24th*. That's when we schedule all Kindle books to go out.

*Depending on where you are. It's Dec. 24th in the US (I believe, midnight PST, since that's my timezone and I'll be doing the ordering).

245neverstopreading
Dec 7, 11:20am Top

>244 lorannen: Great! Thanks.

246lorannen
Dec 7, 3:15pm Top

All right, it's that time! I need some suggestions on this one please, https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=95

$4 remaining in budget, which is tricky at Print.

247norabelle414
Dec 7, 3:27pm Top

>246 lorannen: I suggested some Dover Thrift editions for you

248lorannen
Dec 7, 4:07pm Top

And $8-$12 left on this one (I might swap out one of the picks if we can't make $8 work): https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=300

251lorannen
Dec 7, 4:28pm Top

252lorannen
Dec 7, 4:46pm Top

Lots of $5ers today: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=463. This one's tricky, because I already had to remove a couple of Santa's other picks, so I'd really like to keep the one remaining, if at all possible, but there's only the one edition available.

253ChessFanatic
Dec 7, 4:46pm Top

>249 lorannen: I don't know if "Narrative Non-Fiction" is exactly what you'd call True Crime, though it is non-fiction and written as a narrative, and don't know if you call $6.99 "Six Dollars", but it's all I've got. Cheapest book of any kind I could find at that shop.

https://www.printbookstore.com/book/9780786019311

254lorannen
Dec 7, 5:22pm Top

Thanks very much for your suggestions, all! That's it for the Print orders. I'm moving on to Powell's in a little while.

255ILuvBookplates
Edited: Dec 7, 5:53pm Top

After thinking everyone second-guessing their book selections was tiny bit silly, today I felt sudden indecision over the books I had picked earlier in the week. I had been quite proud that I had come under the set amount by just a few pennies but when I decided to take another look at my choices just now, I discovered that the bookseller had changed all the prices since I finalized my picks and I changed the prices on the Santa page. Two books are now slightly more expensive and one is less. It has now put me over by just a quarter. Should I leave it as it is or try to replace the least expensive one with a slightly cheaper book? That one is the most expendable for me when it comes to the picks I made.

256RidgewayGirl
Dec 7, 8:25pm Top

>255 ILuvBookplates: I'd leave it. A quarter is pretty close.

257lorannen
Dec 7, 9:06pm Top

>255 ILuvBookplates: Yeah, don't stress about that. It's enough that you already redid your picks once due to price changes—we don't expect that, by the way. It's always possible they'll change again between now and when I actually place the order, unfortunately.

258genesisdiem
Dec 7, 10:55pm Top

>255 ILuvBookplates: I try to leave "back-up picks" in the comments section of my santee's page just in case there's an issue with my picks. Also, it gives bonus recs for the santee to look up when they need new reads later. :)

259LibraryCin
Dec 7, 11:08pm Top

>258 genesisdiem: I can't remember if I did this in previous years, but I did do it this year! I also got in there really early (for me) this year, and got it done (it's when I had time!), so there was no time for anyone else to comment.

260WeeTurtle
Dec 8, 12:13am Top

I put a couple back-ups in mine, in case there were price changes.

I might be having a little too much fun with what's turning out to be a 'bookish' Christmas this year. This is my first time doing Santathing, I have some teeny books that I've hung on my tree as ornaments, and now I'm wrapping up my TBR list so that when I decide to read a book, which ever one I open is the one I read. It makes me feel less guilty not seeing all the spines, and it's fun to open a thing even if I probably remember what it was. I'm marking them with "TBR" and the year I got the book. Wrapped three from the mid 2000s just today.

261libraryperilous
Dec 8, 12:33am Top

>260 WeeTurtle: Oh, love the ornament idea and the wrapping of TBR books. I might do the latter myself! There's even It Might Be a Book! wrapping paper you can buy.

Last year, I made my first book tree. My mom and I also did a Twelve Books of Christmas book club between Boxing Day and Twelfth Night. I borrowed 24 winter-themed books from the library, wrapped them, and we each opened one and read it on each of the twelve days. It was fun searching the stacks for holiday-themed books that were short enough to finish in a day. The only one I marked specifically for me was Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, because I read that on Twelfth Night annually. (This year I might go rogue and just read any old Shakespeare play for it.)

262lorannen
Dec 8, 12:36am Top

Alternate picks from Santas are always appreciated—both by myself and your Santees. The best thing about running SantaThing (aside from knowing how much you all enjoy it) is that it's a great way to totally stack my wishlist for the coming year. I never walk into a bookstore or library without an idea of what I might want to get. One can never have too long a wishlist, of course.

>260 WeeTurtle: re: teeny books as tree ornaments: where does one acquire such books? And you've a much more entertaining way of choosing your next TBR. I'm too picky (and often too behind on book club) to leave it up to chance.

263WeeTurtle
Dec 8, 1:48am Top

>261 libraryperilous: That's pretty amusing wrapping paper!
My library did a "blind date with a book" for Valentines day where they were wrapped with brown paper and labeled only with genre.

>262 lorannen: I usually have a hell of a time deciding on my next book. This way I figured I could incorporate some change, and also make my book"ledge" look festive!

The little books I have are actually miniature copies of old Christmas books, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer and The the Night Before Christmas (a red cover similar in design to Rudolph). They are about palm sized and had a little gold string attached for hanging. I also had a miniature copy of golden books Poky Little Puppy that came with a Hallmark ornament I bought, and I just wrapped a loop of gold elastic through the pages and hung it. It's not heavy enough to damage itself by hanging by the spine.

We have miniature golden books and mini Robert Munsch but I'm not sure where they came from. I think they were more for novelty items from bookstores or Scholastic books sales when I was a kid.

264WeeTurtle
Dec 8, 1:53am Top

>262 lorannen:
These are the ones. I have Santa on my tree and pretty sure the animals one is around somewhere. Alas, I re-glued Rudolph but did a pretty poor job of it so it doesn't close very well.


(image from pinterest via google image)

265genesisdiem
Dec 8, 2:01am Top

>262 lorannen: There are tons of mini book ornaments on ETSY but there's also this tutorial I found in a quick search. I think I might need to do this soon!

(It looks like you could cut pictures out of mags and decoupage the covers as well as draw them. Maybe print out a few from (right click, save) real covers?

https://karlascottage.typepad.com/karlascottage/2014/12/how-to-make-miniature-book-ornaments.html

266seongeona
Dec 8, 3:51am Top

>260 WeeTurtle: That's the funniest, most delightful and original thing I ever heard! Wrapping up your TBR books. Love it.

When I was a kid, I somehow got a Christmas ornament that was a tiny book of Christmas traditions around the world. Gold-edged pages, red ribbon bookmark, and beautiful artwork.

267ChessFanatic
Dec 8, 7:56am Top

>254 lorannen: - I see no cheap find requests for Powell Santees since the announcement Thursday night that it was off to Powell next.

Were us Powell Santas flawless? LOL! :-P

268lorannen
Edited: Dec 8, 4:11pm Top

I'm going to have to replace one of Santa's picks here due to budget: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=104, leaving $13 or $14 remaining. Would love some recommendations!

>267 ChessFanatic: Pretty good so far, but I also had other non-SantaThing stuff to catch up on.

269mrsandersonut
Edited: Dec 8, 4:21pm Top

>268 lorannen: If you can squeak $14.95 out of the budget, that would cover the one and only book on the Santee's Wish List.
https://www.powells.com/book/-9781936964031

270lorannen
Dec 8, 4:28pm Top

>269 mrsandersonut: Thanks for the suggestion!

General note: If possible, please try to leave suggestions in comments on the SantaThing profiles. It's easier for me to keep track of, and that way Santees don't accidentally see suggestions for them before they get their books!

272jburlinson
Dec 8, 4:41pm Top

>271 lorannen:. I left a suggestion. Hope it helps.

273mmseiple
Dec 8, 4:44pm Top

>268 lorannen: On Powell's, it's tough to find something in that price range. Most I tried were around $15, but I left a suggestion for one in the $8 range. That was the best I could come up with under $14.

274lorannen
Dec 8, 5:22pm Top

Have to replace one of Santa's picks here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=200. Looking for something at the $10 or $14 price point.

275jburlinson
Dec 8, 5:31pm Top

>268 lorannen:. suggestion left.

276Cfraser
Dec 8, 5:49pm Top

I'm finding it impossible to find books at Powells under $16 - every single book I look at is $16 - have looked at 20 or so, all $16 - odd?

278Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 6:41pm Top

>274 lorannen: I can't seem to find her library and a member search doesn't find it either

279Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 6:48pm Top

>274 lorannen: Suggestion made anyway

280Peace2
Dec 8, 6:58pm Top

>277 lorannen: two suggestions left for this - one showing currently as $9.99 the other as $10.99 (assuming it's showing as the right thing from here)

281Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 7:06pm Top

>277 lorannen: Suggestions made

282Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 7:09pm Top

>277 lorannen: Happy to donate the extra if needed

283lorannen
Dec 8, 7:15pm Top

This one's difficult, with $6 remaining: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=532

>282 Tropical-Library: That's so kind of you. I'll message you if needed, but I think I can probably make something work.

284Peace2
Dec 8, 7:39pm Top

>283 lorannen: I've made a couple of suggestions although they're probably still a little too much over (I couldn't find anything closer that wasn't already in their library)

285Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 7:59pm Top

>283 lorannen: Suggestion made -- this would be so much easier if the filters at Powell's actually worked! I can't get it to just show new books :-(

286lorannen
Dec 8, 8:11pm Top

>285 Tropical-Library: I've figured out the trick is to click on one of the search results—if it comes up in New that means there is a new edition, but you have to click on one of the results first. Then look on the item page on the right-hand side, under "This title in other editions". Usually the link to the new one will be there.

287Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 8:20pm Top

>286 lorannen: Well that's easy lol Ok will try that

288lorannen
Dec 8, 8:45pm Top

>287 Tropical-Library: Also, I just discovered that sometimes it says something like "This title in other ISBNs," but the key is that it appears below the price and stock info over on the right.

I know. I don't understand why, if I'm filtering by new items, it insists on routing me to the used copies first.

289lorannen
Dec 8, 8:53pm Top

>278 Tropical-Library: Sorry, just saw this one. The green text with the name in parentheses (plus lack of link to their profile/library) indicates that this is someone who made an entry for someone else, who (often) doesn't have a LT account of their own.

290Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 8:54pm Top

>288 lorannen: Very annoying. Thanks for the clarification on 278

291lorannen
Dec 8, 9:08pm Top

All right, Powell's orders are DONE! That's probably all the recommendations help I'll need for today. Now I've got to go do Book Depository library checks (making sure there aren't any duplicates that Santees already have), and that'll probably take me the rest of the night. There are ~ 3x as many Book Depository folks as there are Powell's.

Thanks so much for your help today, elves!

292Tropical-Library
Dec 8, 9:15pm Top

>291 lorannen: Good luck!

293calm
Dec 9, 6:25am Top

>291 lorannen: I hope I'm in time as I just added some books I borrowed from the library. One of them was by an author I mentioned in my SantaThing so I can only hope that A Gathering of Ghosts by Karen Maitland isn't one that my Santa picked. If someone could check and make a note if necessary I would be grateful.

294rosalita
Dec 9, 10:27am Top

>293 calm: I peeked at your profile and that book isn't listed in the picks section, so I think you're good!

295calm
Dec 9, 10:35am Top

>294 rosalita: Thank you.

296libraryperilous
Edited: Dec 9, 2:12pm Top

For Book Depository orders with $3-5 remaining, the Penguin Modern books might be a good choice: https://www.bookdepository.com/search/advanced?seriesId=762165.

Each book is $3.17, around 65 pages, and contains selections of short stories, poems, essays, or excerpts from well-known modern authors, including Jean Rhys, Jorge Luis Borges, and James Baldwin.

h/t to fellow LTer annesadleir, who selected one for her Santee. And now I want to collect all of them, which BD tells me will set me back $75.

ETA: There also are the Vintage Mini books, which retail for around $4.25 each, and are excerpts from popular titles by the authors in question. Those probably would be more suited to people who have requested essays or anthologies.

297lorannen
Dec 9, 2:34pm Top

>296 libraryperilous: Thanks for the tip! That's very helpful!

298lorannen
Dec 9, 2:34pm Top

I'm not quite around to placing orders yet, but still coming across some that I know I need suggestions for.

$20 on this one! https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=64.

299lorannen
Dec 9, 3:27pm Top

$30 worth of replacements here—all picks were already in Santee's library: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=127.

300neverstopreading
Dec 9, 3:53pm Top

>299 lorannen: looks like the santa confused "to-read" with "wishlist" maybe?

301lorannen
Dec 9, 3:58pm Top

An odd request for help with this one: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=241. I've got titles and prices, but no links or ISBNs. At least one of them, I'm certain I know the answer to, and I've got a good guess on the 2nd, but the 1st pick on the list has a single-word title, and I'm not seeing anything that matches up with the price. Good guesses would be much appreciated!

>300 neverstopreading: Yep, I'm certain that's what happened.

302lorannen
Edited: Dec 9, 4:02pm Top

Same deal here as with >299 lorannen: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=253 —Santee makes no mention that "to-read" tag doesn't meant they don't already have it. $45 to work with.

303neverstopreading
Edited: Dec 10, 7:44am Top

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304libraryperilous
Edited: Dec 10, 2:51pm Top

>301 lorannen: Yeah, the price points don't match up. The first one almost certainly is the [redacted], but Santa would be over by around $5-7, I think, if the cheapest versions of each book were ordered.

305Cariola
Edited: Dec 9, 4:34pm Top

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306Cariola
Edited: Dec 9, 4:34pm Top

>301 lorannen: Left you the URLs for all three. Great choices! This person seems to share my taste, so I have no doubt about the identity of the books.

(People, please don't post the titles here. The Santee might click the link and find out these books are intended for him/her.)

307Cariola
Edited: Dec 9, 4:31pm Top

>302 lorannen: I would think To-Read means they own it but haven't gotten to it yet. I'd go for things on the wish list or not in the library at all. Sorry, I can't help with this genre.

308Cariola
Dec 9, 4:37pm Top

>299 lorannen: I left you several suggestions.

309lorannen
Dec 9, 6:40pm Top

I've got to replace one of the picks here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=31. Looking for a suggestion in the $5-$10 range.

Echoing >306 Cariola:, please don't post specific titles in this thread! We want to keep from spoiling any surprises.

>307 Cariola: Yep, that's my assumption, as well.

310lorannen
Dec 9, 6:43pm Top

Would love some suggestions here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=35. $14 to spend.

311Cfraser
Dec 9, 6:59pm Top

>309 lorannen: lorannen i have given a suggestion

312mmseiple
Dec 9, 7:00pm Top

>310 lorannen: I left a couple of suggestions.

313Cfraser
Dec 9, 7:02pm Top

>310 lorannen: suggestion given

314Peace2
Dec 9, 7:05pm Top

>309 lorannen: Suggestions left. Hopefully something might be useful

315Tropical-Library
Dec 9, 7:07pm Top

>309 lorannen: Suggestions made

316Peace2
Dec 9, 7:15pm Top

>310 lorannen: couple more suggestions left for this one too.

317Tropical-Library
Dec 9, 7:15pm Top

>310 lorannen: Happy to pay the over for my second suggestion as it's an awesome series

318Peace2
Dec 9, 7:58pm Top

I know that further upthread, a few people asked for extra suggestions on their entries - if anyone can think of anything I might enjoy and need to look out for in coming months, I'd be grateful of any comments left with my entry (from what I can see on the list there are currently 0 comments - I don't know if that's a default setting so you have no idea of what's going on with your own Santapicking! :D

319Cfraser
Dec 9, 8:08pm Top

>318 Peace2: i made some suggestions for you

320Peace2
Dec 9, 8:32pm Top

>319 Cfraser: Thanking you kindly

322lorannen
Dec 9, 9:03pm Top

>318 Peace2: Yeah, you won't be able to see any comments on your SantaThing profile until Dec. 25th.

323Cfraser
Dec 9, 9:13pm Top

>321 lorannen: suggestion made (are we meant to put the cost in the comments, i have been doing so to make it easier for you but notice others dont, so wanted to make sure im not doing wrong thing)

324lorannen
Dec 9, 9:17pm Top

$10 left on this one: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=116

>323 Cfraser: It certainly doesn't hurt, but isn't required. It's especially useful if you're suggesting multiple books that are, together, intended to make up the rest of the budget. Thanks for checking!

325fionaanne
Dec 9, 9:28pm Top

I left a suggestion. :)

326Cfraser
Dec 9, 9:29pm Top

>324 lorannen: suggestions made, and thanks for the clarification

327jburlinson
Dec 9, 9:50pm Top

>324 lorannen:. suggestion left.

328lorannen
Dec 9, 9:58pm Top

330jburlinson
Dec 9, 10:09pm Top

>321 lorannen:. suggestion left

331jburlinson
Dec 9, 10:10pm Top

>324 lorannen:. suggestion left

332Peace2
Edited: Dec 9, 10:35pm Top

>328 lorannen: Suggestion left also >329 lorannen:

333jburlinson
Dec 9, 10:23pm Top

>328 lorannen:. suggestion left

334olegalCA
Dec 9, 10:23pm Top

Left a suggestion!

335Cfraser
Dec 9, 10:25pm Top

>328 lorannen:
> 329

suggestions left

336jburlinson
Dec 9, 10:37pm Top

>329 lorannen:. suggestion left

337LibraryCin
Edited: Dec 9, 11:40pm Top

>309 lorannen: For me, "To Read" is just anything I want to read someday. HOWEVER, there is no way to look at my shelf and tell which ones I own and which I will likely get from the library at some point.

ETA: I guess my point is that different people use the shelves in different ways, so unless someone specifies that such-and-such a shelf is stuff they don't own, I find it's safest to just stay away from anything already on someone's shelf.

338WeeTurtle
Dec 9, 11:44pm Top

I've recently decided to split my "wish list" to include a "reminder list" where I put those books that I want to investigate at some point, but don't necessarily *want.*

339lorannen
Dec 10, 12:09am Top

>337 LibraryCin: My criteria is if it's in their library in any collection other than Wishlist (unless explicitly stated in their entry otherwise), it gets nixed.

340lorannen
Dec 10, 12:37am Top

Now I'm looking for a $10 suggestion on this one: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=241.

341karenb
Dec 10, 12:54am Top

>340 lorannen:
Left one suggestion twice (sorry!)

342karenb
Dec 10, 1:01am Top

>340 lorannen:
and a second title, also SF

343lorannen
Dec 10, 1:04am Top

That's it for me tonight! I'll be back tomorrow with more. I'm about halfway through Book Depository orders at this point.

>341 karenb: No worries, I'll take care of the duplicate—a not uncommon problem in SantaThing profile comments, I'm afraid.

344pantsu
Dec 10, 1:36am Top

>340 lorannen: Left a suggestion!

345Cariola
Edited: Dec 10, 2:33pm Top

>321 lorannen:, >324 lorannen:, >340 lorannen: Left you some suggestions for these three.

346Cariola
Dec 10, 2:18pm Top

>328 lorannen:, >329 lorannen: Suggestions sent.

347lorannen
Dec 10, 3:54pm Top

I'd love some alternate picks here. Relative of the Santee in question peeked, and apparently books selected are from the wrong wishlist on the account: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=371.

348Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 4:38pm Top

>347 lorannen: Found one from the wishlist and a classic to go with it

349karenb
Dec 10, 4:47pm Top

>347 lorannen: Now several suggestions at various price points from four people.

350karenb
Dec 10, 4:47pm Top

(Hungry now.)

351lorannen
Dec 10, 5:30pm Top

Have to replace one of Santa's picks on this one, with $13 remaining: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=285

>348 Tropical-Library: & >349 karenb: Thank you!

352lorannen
Dec 10, 5:42pm Top

Looking for about an $8 recommendation here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=290. Some wiggle-room there.

353Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 6:06pm Top

>351 lorannen: and >352 lorannen: Suggestions made

354Cfraser
Dec 10, 6:17pm Top

>351 lorannen: suggestion made

356lorannen
Dec 10, 7:00pm Top

And a $6 replacement needed for this one: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=372

357Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 7:04pm Top

>355 lorannen: Suggestions made

359Cfraser
Dec 10, 7:15pm Top

<355 made some suggestions

360tardis
Dec 10, 7:16pm Top

>358 lorannen: made some suggestions

361Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 7:19pm Top

>356 lorannen: Suggestion made, funnily enough a book I got last Santa Thing

362lorannen
Dec 10, 7:23pm Top

Looking for recs to cover $13 remaining here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=402

363Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 7:25pm Top

>358 lorannen: Suggestion made, read it recently myself.
Off hand note: they seriously changed the title of Rivers of London, the first book in a series about the rivers of London, for the US market???? Gad.

364Cfraser
Dec 10, 7:30pm Top

> 358 suggestions made

365Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 7:34pm Top

>362 lorannen: More suggestions

366karenb
Dec 10, 8:05pm Top

>362 lorannen: And another.

367jburlinson
Dec 10, 8:14pm Top

>362 lorannen:. left suggestions

368karenb
Edited: Dec 10, 8:14pm Top

>363 Tropical-Library: Yeah, I don't know why they did that either. I still heard about it (the series) from British friends, fortunately.

369Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 8:23pm Top

>363 Tropical-Library: It's great, must read more of them myself. If you like that you might also like Fated by Benedict Jacka, about a sort of English Harry Dresden and very entertaining

370genesisdiem
Dec 10, 8:52pm Top

>363 Tropical-Library: I have had to order quite a few books from the UK because the titles/ covers have changed for the US market and not for the better.

371Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 8:59pm Top

>363 Tropical-Library: Have to admit it's rare that that the US cover is more attractive to me really, only one I can think of recently is the Illustrated Earthsea. There's even one book I refuse to buy the US edition of as I think the cover is dreadful -- Insomnia by Stephen King. We won't even mention the Philosopher's Stone...

372libraryperilous
Dec 10, 9:03pm Top

>370 genesisdiem:, >371 Tropical-Library: UK covers usually are prettier and more creative. 2018 was an odd book year for me. There were several US covers that I preferred, including Happiness and Never Anyone but You.

373LibraryCin
Dec 10, 9:20pm Top

>339 lorannen: I think that's fair!

374LibraryCin
Dec 10, 9:21pm Top

>361 Tropical-Library: I did that, too! Made a suggestion of one that I received last year via Santa Thing!

375Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 9:38pm Top

>374 LibraryCin: Well it was a LT recommendation, wouldn't have thought of it on my own lol

376WeeTurtle
Dec 10, 10:16pm Top

Random US/UK/Canada observation! I've discovered while adding books that, if I have a Canadian edition of something (eg. Harry Potter) I've been more likely to find it in the British Library than Library of Congress, especially if LoC is giving me a different cover or related isbn.

377LibraryCin
Dec 10, 10:39pm Top

>375 Tropical-Library: the one I suggested was one that might make my favourites this year, so someone last year (I can't recall who!) chose well!

378lorannen
Dec 10, 10:51pm Top

Looking for a $7 suggestion for this one: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=422. Dang prices being the moving targets that they are.

379genesisdiem
Dec 10, 10:57pm Top

>376 WeeTurtle: I do like that the DDN is listed on the inside page of the US books though. Makes it easier to know where to put it on the shelf. :)

380genesisdiem
Dec 10, 11:00pm Top

>378 lorannen: found one for 7.13 that might work?

381WeeTurtle
Dec 10, 11:24pm Top

Books depository keeps flicking my prices to Canadian or I'd suggest stuff. I'd rather not math.

382Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 11:25pm Top

>378 lorannen: Suggestion made

383Tropical-Library
Dec 10, 11:26pm Top

So good I made it twice :-(

384jburlinson
Dec 11, 12:28am Top

>378 lorannen:. suggestion left.

385lorannen
Edited: Dec 11, 12:59am Top

Would be grateful for a $6-$7 suggestion on this one! https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=444

>383 Tropical-Library: Don't sweat it. When I go through and place orders, I'm also deleting duplicated comments. :)

386lorannen
Dec 11, 1:15am Top

Looking for either a $6 or a $12 suggestion here: https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=460

387karenb
Dec 11, 1:26am Top

>385 lorannen: Found one in the right price range. Lots of others are too new & pricey, alas.

388Tropical-Library
Dec 11, 1:28am Top

>385 lorannen: Found one I might actually get

389genesisdiem
Dec 11, 1:29am Top

>386 lorannen: Found one for 6.72 that fit the tbr, I think.

Playing secret elf is bad for my own TBR pile..... :)

390Tropical-Library
Dec 11, 1:36am Top

>386 lorannen: Suggestion made
>389 genesisdiem: Tell me about it -- I recently bought one I suggested last year lol

391lorannen
Edited: Dec 11, 1:44am Top

$9 remaining on this one! https://www.librarything.com/santathing_thing.php?id=505

>389 genesisdiem: You're telling me. Ah well, just stacking my wishlist for next year!

392Tropical-Library
Dec 11, 1:56am Top

>391 lorannen: Fortunately found something on her wishlist in the right price range

394lorannen
Dec 11, 2:32am Top

Okay, I've finished my first pass through all the Book Depository orders! Now I just have to go back through all your wonderful suggestions and recommendations and finish up those I couldn't earlier. That's probably all the help I'll need for tonight. Thanks very much, everyone!

395Tropical-Library
Dec 11, 5:17pm Top

>394 lorannen: Thanks for all the effort you put into this Loranne

396lorannen
Dec 11, 11:54pm Top

I've been back at it for a while now, but Santa's been hitting it out of the park today, for the most part, or I've been able to use existing suggestions. I'm sure now that I've said that, I'll have a whole slew of entries I need help with!

>395 Tropical-Library: Thank you for the encouragement!

397karenb
Yesterday, 12:03am Top

>396 lorannen: Oh, excellent! I'm glad that you don't mind doing it, but still you do an awesome job.

Yay for picks that work! We'll be here if you want/need more suggestions.

398lorannen
Yesterday, 12:10am Top

We got one! over on the continuation of this thread: https://www.librarything.com/topic/300106

This topic was continued by SantaThing 2018—(pt. 2).

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