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Joe's Book Cafe 4

This is a continuation of the topic Joe's Book Cafe 3.

75 Books Challenge for 2019

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Edited: Feb 12, 10:37am Top

By various artists. Welcome back to the cafe!

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Jeroen (pronounced "Yeh-roon"), Sam, our niece Meg

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Top Books of 2018 by Genre

A Room of One's Own by Virginia Woolf - Nonficiton

Vincent and Theo by Deborah Helligman - Young Adult

The Power by Naomi Alderman - Science Fiction

Lethal White by Robert Galbraith - Mystery

Brazen Rebel Ladies by Penelope Baglieu - Illustrated Books

The Overstory by Richard Powers - Fiction

Citizen Illegal by Jose Olivarez - Poetry

Close Runner-Up:

The Carrying by Ada Limon

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Books Read in 2019


1. Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett (re-read on audio)
2. Sooner or Later Everything Falls Into the Sea by Sarah Pinsker
3. An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon
4. The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo
5. One Hundred Poems from the Japanese by Kenneth Rexroth
6. Happiness by Aminatta Forna
7. Milkman by Anna Burns
8. Revenant Gun by Yoon Ha Lee
9. The Mortal Word by Genevieve Cogman
10. Nerve by Dick Francis
11. Killer Collective by Barry Eisler
12. Little Oceans by Tony Hoagland
13. Tales from the Inner City by Shaun Tan
14. The Calculating Stars by Mary Robinette Kowal
15. The Promise by Chaim Potok
16. Auntie Poldi and the Sicilian Lions by Mario Giordano


17. Lord of the Butterflies by Andrea Gibson
18. Out of the Dark by Gregg Hurwitz
19. Forfeit by Dick Francis
20. One Good Turn by Kate Atkinson
21. Last Friends by Jane Gardam
22. Educated by Tara Westover
23. The Madness Vase by Andrea Gibson

Illustrated Books

1. Jane Austen's Emma by Nancy Butler
2. Snotgirl by Bryan Lee O'Malley
3. Girl Town by Carolyn Nowak
4. On a Sunbeam by Tillie Walden
5. Livestock by Hannah Berry
6. Tom's Midnight Garden by Phillipa Pearce and Edith
7. Anne of Green Gables A Graphic Novel by Mariah Marsden
8. Quiet Girl in a Noisy World by Debbie Tung
9. The Girl from the Other Side Vol. 4 by Nagabe
10. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Reckoning by Joss Whedon
11. Space Boy Vol. 1 by Stephen Macranie
12. The Girl from the Other Side Vol. 5 by Nagabe
13. New Lone Wolf and Cub Volume 2 by Kazuo Koike
14. Book Love by Debbie Tung
15. Royal City Vol. 3 by Jeff Lemire
16. The Snooty Bookshop by Tom Gauld
17. The Day the Buddha Woke Up by Andrea Miller
18. A Bride's Story Vol. 10 by Kaoru Mori
19. Jane Austen Her Heart Did Whisper by Manuela Santoni

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We lost a special one. Rest in peace Mary Oliver.

Feb 12, 10:53am Top

>1 jnwelch:

More GREAT paintings that many of us would feel welcome, comfortable, and warm (!) in.

Good to hear you made it home safely and do you have any photos of Sam with his tall parents?

Feb 12, 10:54am Top

New thread benisons, Joe.

Feb 12, 10:56am Top

Happy new thread, and thanks for those toppers! I like the first one especially.

Feb 12, 11:48am Top

>6 m.belljackson: Oh good, Marianne. Thanks for saying so.

Great minds think alike - I do have a photo of Sam with his one tall and one not-so-much parent. But so far the transfer is balking. I should be able to get to a non-balk status today at some point.

>7 richardderus: Many thanks, RD. Orisons for your enjoyment of the new cafe. :-)

>8 ffortsa: Thanks, Judy! The artist for the first one is Yvonne Zomerdijk.

Here's another one of hers:

Feb 12, 12:12pm Top

Just a pass-through. Love the new digs, Joe.

Feb 12, 12:12pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

Feb 12, 12:14pm Top

>1 jnwelch: Love the last illustration Joe. I do love a good long train ride with a good book and a cup of tea. Of course one does get distracted by the scenery but that’s all part of the lovely experience. Who is the artist?

Feb 12, 12:15pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

Feb 12, 12:17pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe, and welcome home!

Feb 12, 12:26pm Top

Happy new thread!

Feb 12, 12:39pm Top

Happy new thread!

Feb 12, 2:20pm Top

Happy new thread!

Feb 12, 2:57pm Top

Happy New Thread, Joe! And thanks for posting all the trip photos in thread 3.

Feb 12, 4:14pm Top

>6 m.belljackson: Marianne The photo of Sam and his parents is now posted in >2 jnwelch:.

>11 lkernagh:, >13 karenmarie:, >15 foggidawn:, >16 figsfromthistle:, >17 drneutron: Thanks, Lori, Karen, foggi, Anita, and Jim!

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>10 weird_O: *waves at Bill passing through* Thanks, Bill!

>12 NarratorLady: Thanks, Anne. We love reading on the train, too. The artist is Deborah Dewit. Here's another one by her, for when you're train ride is done and you're relaxing at home.

Feb 12, 4:19pm Top

>14 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie! It's good to be home. Now I just need to get back to some reading!

>18 streamsong: Thanks, Janet! It was my pleasure to post the trip photos. I feel lucky that folks here take an interest.

Feb 12, 4:28pm Top

Happy new thread Joe, great thread topper once again mate.

Feb 12, 4:36pm Top

Happy new thread Joe!

Feb 12, 5:12pm Top

>22 johnsimpson: Thanks, John. Glad you're enjoying the thread topper.

>23 quondame: Thanks, Susan!

Feb 12, 5:34pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe. >2 jnwelch: Ha, Meg and Sam, my son has the same name too. Hope you are glad to be back to snowy Chicago. We are snowy here too - it snowed again today. We are not set up for this!

Feb 12, 5:43pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe!

>2 jnwelch: Jeroen is Dutch, or has Dutch roots, I presume?

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Welcome back, Joe! Happy New Thread! I really like the Yvonne Zomerdijk topper. Glad you are enjoying Educated and that we are both having a good time with Last Friends. She is such a good writer.

Ooh, I got my copy of Black Leopard today! Yeah baby!

Feb 12, 9:35pm Top

Happy new thread with lots of cats!

Feb 12, 10:00pm Top

>20 jnwelch: THAT's the one I favor!

Feb 13, 5:38am Top

Happy new thread Joe!

>1 jnwelch: I like the polka dotted lady with her spotted dalmatian. And the lady on the train; I'm afraid that's what happens to me if I try and read on the train - I get distracted by the scenery.

Feb 13, 6:38am Top

>25 Familyhistorian: Thanks, Meg. Meg and Sam - it does have a nice ring to it! Yes, it's snowy here, too, but we are set up for it. Many years ago a mayor didn't get re-elected because the city badly bungled a big snowstorm, and that's been a #1 priority here ever since. I'll bet you're not set up for this! What's the effect where you are? Are they having trouble clearing the roads?

>26 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita. Yes, Jeroen is Dutch. Good catch! He was born on the small Dutch island of Dewal (Dewall?) Sam is being raised to speak Dutch and English.

As you probably know, the Dutch are the tallest people in the world. Jeroen fits that!

Feb 13, 6:42am Top

>27 msf59: Thanks, Mark! Isn't Yvonne Zomerdijk a fun artist? I love the bold colors.

Black Leopard is up for me after I finish the very good Last Friends. Can't wait! Mamie is loving it.

>28 thornton37814: Ha! Thanks, Lori! Very comfortable cats, too.

Feb 13, 6:45am Top

>29 laytonwoman3rd: Hi, Linda. That's a good one in >20 jnwelch:, isn't it. The one thing I wish we had but we don't is a fireplace. We took out the one that was here and put in bookcases. :-)

>30 humouress: Thanks, Nina. Those are good ones, aren't they. I know, I love watching the scenery out a train window, too.

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By Yvonne Zomerdijk

Feb 13, 7:13am Top

Checking in on the new thread! Brew me a cuppa, would you?

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Happy new thread, Joe. I love the third and fourth pics in >1 jnwelch: and also love >20 jnwelch:. Great family pics, too.

Here is a little something for your café, a day early for Valentine's Day, from a site I subscribe to. I get a daily puzzle. I changed the number and configuration of pieces to make it a bit easier. Enjoy! ;-) :

Hmm. Link isn't working. Don't know why. It's www.jigzone.com and it's the puzzle for today, Wed, Feb 13.

Feb 13, 8:43am Top

Happy new cafe, Joe!

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>35 alcottacre: Hiya, Stasia. So nice to have you back with us. Here you go:

Feb 13, 10:20am Top

>36 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley. Thanks.

I'm glad you like those. Sounds like you're a Deborah Dewitt fan. I'm glad you like that third one - it's by Kjersti Faret. It's the only one she's done like this that I could find. I hope she does more.

Too bad about the link. I'll try to check later. I just got back from my sinuplasty, and I'm not good for detail right now.

>37 Carmenere: Thanks, Lynda!

Feb 13, 10:23am Top

>38 jnwelch: I'll have what she's having. With a slab or six of key lime pie. It's a warm and sunny day so I'm feeling tropical. I read Thrice the Brinded Cat Hath Mew'd and, well, all that snow and ice talk made me happy to see the sunshine today.

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>40 richardderus: Hiya, RD. I left some comments in connection with the Flavia book over on your thread. Warm and sunny sounds great - we're missing the warm part here. "I'll have what she's having" always makes me think of that Billy Crystal/Meg Ryan scene. :-) Grab some java, and here's the key lime pie (nice pick!):

Feb 13, 12:03pm Top

Happy new one, Joe! Love the toppers - you always find good ones.

Feb 13, 12:13pm Top

>42 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie! I try to keep an eye out for illustrators and artists I like. I'm glad these worked for you.

Feb 13, 12:49pm Top

Good morning Joe. I hope all is well with you.

I am back at work after our puget sound snowstorm but, apparently, I am one of the few the brave.

I am so happy to hear that you are enjoying Travelers. What a great ensemble and an original take on a familiar trope. I truly love it.

Feb 13, 2:00pm Top

>31 jnwelch: Interesting fact: apparently, a couple of centuries ago the Dutch were actually the shortest in Europe. Then they built dykes, created pasture land for their cows and started eating more cheese - and look what happened.

>33 jnwelch: As long as you don't accidentally burn the books ...

I hope the sinuplasty went well.

Feb 13, 2:45pm Top

>44 brodiew2: Hiya, Brodie. All is well here, and I hope on your end, despite the snowstorm.

We've been loving Travelers! Thanks again. We're in Season 3, and sad to hear there won't be a Season 4. Ah, well. All things must come to an end at some point.

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>2 jnwelch: oh I can see the family resemblance in Meg, especially with Becca. Ha, yes, tall Dutchman for sure.

>47 jnwelch: Tee hee. I must get to the little Gault book I bought last year Joe.

Settling back into your natural rhythm after your travels?

Feb 13, 3:21pm Top

>48 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! Good eye, Caroline. The family jokes about how Meg and Becca look like sisters. We laughed that Sam was confused when he Facetimed with Becca - he seemed to be seeing his mom next to him and at the same time on the phone screen. At Meg's wedding, some people assumed Debbi was Meg's mother. :-)

I've loved every one of Tom Gauld's books, including most recently The Snooty Bookshop. He qualifies as a Librarything hero, IMO.

We're not yet quite into a natural rhythm in being back home - today, the sinus surgery threw me for a bit of a loop. More to it than I expected. Tomorrow I head into the office. So we'll probably gather ourselves this weekend. We're having a birthday dinner at Debbi's preferred restaurant (Shaw's) Friday night, and then we're watching three Oscar-nominated movies at a local theater on Saturday, with the rest to come the following Saturday.

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Sorry to hear the surgery was more of a surprise than expected, but hope it was/is a success Joe.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the movies. I saw and loved If Beale Street Could Talk last week, and will see Can you Ever Forgive Me? this weekend. Off to check out the nominees for Oscar this year. 'Roma' won best film in the British Academy Awards. Need to see it.

ETA: This year I've seen 4 of the 8 so far Best film nominations: Bohemian Rhapsody/Black Panther/BlacKKlansman/A Star is Born, all excellent, though of the four the last was the weaker IMO, but then I love the Babs/Kristopherson version best.

Feb 13, 3:52pm Top

Happy new thread!

Feb 13, 3:55pm Top

Ouch to the surgery! Hope recovery is fast and justifiable!

I am also loving The Snooty Bookshop

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>50 Caroline_McElwee: Thanks, Caroline. Yeah, he downplayed it as being like a dental visit, but it ended up being quite a bit more than that. It's got a high success rate, so, fingers crossed.

Unfortunately, the first two you mention didn't make the nominees list. There's more controversy this year than usual about those that did and those that didn't. We're going to watch Roma at home, because Netflix and the movie theaters are in a spat over it, and the theater won't have it.

I'm not really into the Star is Born story (is this the third time around?), so we may duck out after the first on-stage scene between the two, which has made for a cool music video ("Shallow").

>51 The_Hibernator: Thanks, Rachel! Sorry you're having the tsuris at home.

>52 jessibud2: Right, Shelley? The recovery is supposed to be fast, and the success rate high. I think my nose has finally stopped bleeding (!), so we may be on our way.

Heh-heh. Gauld is so good, isn't he.

Feb 13, 4:45pm Top

>41 jnwelch: Excellent, thank you good Proprietor.

>47 jnwelch: Excellent! Thank you, Good Proprietor!

Blogged my review of the Bradley...the next awaits my next venture out into the world of reality and that ain't comin' until tomorrow.

Feb 13, 5:57pm Top

>31 jnwelch: Can't make anything of that islands name, in a web search I found a small island "De Woude".
Yes many tall people over here. My nephew, who lives in Brasil, is almost 7 ft. He has two sons, they are raised with Dutch, English and Portugese.

Feb 13, 5:57pm Top

Yeah...my dad, my brother and my nephew have all had that sinus surgery over the years. I could have told you it was no picnic, but that wouldn't have been a nice thing to do. My husband considered it, and decided against. I hope the after-effects wear off quickly, and that it did what it's meant to do for you.

Feb 13, 6:30pm Top

Sorry to hear the sinuplasty was not as easy as billed, Joe. Hope it does the trick.

>31 jnwelch: Yeah, traffic was much affected by the snow. The main routes were cleared well but side roads suffered. It didn't help that we are in a hilly area. Transit was badly affected, buses had a hard time, especially on hills and skytrains, which are usually automated, all had to have human drivers so that the system wouldn't shut down because of the ice on the tracks. On the first day they didn't have enough drivers. They called in more people on the second day. It's warmer here today so it pays to watch out for snow bombs from trees.

Feb 13, 6:40pm Top

Happy Wednesday, Joe. Sorry to hear that the sinuplasty procedure was uncomfortable. Lets just hope it works. One more work day for me and then I can start my long weekend, which includes my upper MN trip. Yep, many of my friends and family think I am NUTS, but no surprise there, right? This will include a Meet Up, in the Twin Cities, so I can't be that crazy.

Loving Last Friends, which I will wrap up tomorrow.

Feb 13, 9:05pm Top

>54 richardderus: Ha! Key lime pie and Tom Gauld - what could be better?

I enjoyed the rundown on the eternally youthful Flavia, and will look for the newest.

>55 FAMeulstee: Huh. Is there a Jeroen island? I thought he had the same name as the island, and his last name is Dewal(l), I'm pretty sure. 1400 people on it? Maybe I'm mangling the story. I'll check with Madame MBH.

Poor Meg, Jeroen's wife, says she is constantly looking up when they travel there. I'm surprised their haven't been more Dutch basketball players over here. Rik Smits, a 7 footer, is the only one I remember being in the NBA.

Feb 13, 9:12pm Top

>56 laytonwoman3rd: Thanks, Linda. Yeah, good idea not to tell me about its non-picnic status. I feel way better already. He had to work over my right side much more than expected, and that's where the picnic completely disappeared. My nosebleed from it lasted most of the day. From everything I've read, though, the surgery works, so I'm hopeful.

>57 Familyhistorian: Thanks, Meg. Fingers crossed.

Woo, that sounds like a righteous mess in your part of the world. Without the sideroads cleared, it's hard for so many people to get anywhere. It's warmer here today so it pays to watch out for snow bombs from trees. Right! Downtown here they put signs out on the sidewalks to " Watch for Falling Ice" from skyscrapers. Not much help if you need to walk there.

Feb 13, 9:12pm Top

Keep us posted on the aftereffects of the sinuplasty. I've been considering it. On the other hand, they had a new article the other day on the Vivaer Stylus, which seems much less invasive. I may wait until it becomes more common.

Feb 13, 9:20pm Top

>58 msf59: Hey, Mark. Thanks re the sinuplasty. It should work, but we'll see.

One more day and your weekend starts - sounds good to me. Upper MN? You are a looney tune adventurous bloke! I look forward to hearing about the meetup.

I finished Last Friends and thought it good to the last drop. It certainly got me thinking about my own mortality!

Unlike most of the populace of the U.S. and LT, I'm finding myself not enamored of Educated. It just seems okay to me. But I've got around a third to go.

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>61 ronincats: Will do, Roni. I don't know the Vivaer Stylus, but this ballooning is promoted as less invasive than regular surgery, and studies show it to be as effective. If my right sinus was as easy as my left, I'd be saying the whole thing was a breeze (hmm- a bit of pun there). No pain afterwards, but the work on the right smarted during, and bled most of the day afterwards. People on the El train probably wondered about the guy who kept replacing bloody kleenex.

Now I take antibiotics for 5 days, and rinse my nose out twice a day for a week. I can start exercising and whatever tomorrow, and could've gone to work today, say they, if I weren't mostly retired. I will be heading into work tomorrow.

Feb 13, 9:55pm Top

Yep, I am definitely loony tunes. You got it right the first time. Grins... Sorry, Educated isn't tootin' your horn. I know Debbi disliked it too, so maybe it is a Welch thing.

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>64 msf59: Ha! Truth. Maybe it is a Welch thing re Educated. She and I usually agree. One we disagreed on was Snow Falling on Cedars. Thumbs up from me, and down from her. But that doesn't happen often.

Hey, is there a group read thread for Last Friends, or are there just a bunch of us reading it?

Feb 13, 10:19pm Top

Yes, there is and it appears you were all ready over there. Still medicated?


Feb 13, 10:24pm Top

>62 jnwelch: Umm...*hand raised* Neither me...just do not care.

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I haven’t read Educated and don’t plan to. For some reason the subject and the blurbs just haven’t been enough to attract me to put the time into reading it. But then, I haven’t read any of the Harry Potter books and have no desire to do so.

As for Educated - I just don’t want to read about one more right wing wing nut family - even if somebody inside the family thought differently enough to get out and do something different. Just doesn’t interest me. There are other more important books waiting for me to read.

Feb 13, 10:48pm Top

I'm so glad you have the sinusplasty behind you. Sorry it was a tough go. Here is a to a great success. My husband recently discovered " Breath Right Strips" and they are sure making a difference for him in the breathing while sleeping department. Whatever side he sleeps on , that side of his nostril collapses. After he fell, he could only sleep on his right side for about 3 plus weeks. Finally he decided to try the breath right strips and we were both surprised at how well those worked for Dave. No more snoring either. Who knew?

Feb 14, 6:15am Top

Morning, Joe! Adding my wishes to the pile that the surgery proves to be well worth the discomfort, friend.

Feb 14, 8:41am Top

‘Morning, Joe!

>62 jnwelch: I’m glad you liked Last Friends. It certainly got me thinking about my own mortality! Yup. A definite look at the forest instead of the trees.

Maybe my daughter was a trend-setter – she had to read Educated for a college English class last semester and although she came away with a good understanding of the book didn’t like it at all. Of course sometimes those are the books that get remembered and discussed most. I still remember hating A Clockwork Orange from my college days. I don’t remember the grade I got, but I do remember that I wrote my paper in the “fantastically inventive lexicon” as Amazon puts it. My last paragraph said something about how irritating and off-putting it was. I'm probably the only person who felt that way.

Our book club is reading Educated in July for our August discussion.

I hope you’re doing better after the sinusplasty and that you’re already seeing good results.

Feb 14, 8:50am Top

>66 msf59: Ha! Thanks, Mark. Maybe so! I misplaced it somehow. Thanks for the link.

>67 richardderus: Educated seems to be missing FTL ships, laser arrays, and the novel views of differently-shaped individuals from other planets. But it looks like I'll finish it today.

Feb 14, 8:59am Top

>68 benitastrnad: You can tell I'm not going to urge you to read Educated, Benita. Debbi and I are surprised by how popular it's been. It's obviously struck a chord with a lot of folks.

No Harry Potter? That I am sad to hear. Especially since you enjoy fantasy.

The crazy, anti-society, dictatorial father in Educated is off-putting, for sure. So is the nutty, violent son. It is remarkable that the author successfully emerged from that, and the "home schooling" that was a joke, to become an academic star (that's how far I am in the book). So the book is fine on that count. It's just, IMO, no great shakes as a book. It's the huge positive reaction to it that surprises me.

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>69 vancouverdeb: Oh, that's great to hear re your husband, Deb. I wish those Breathe Right strips had worked for me. I had successful surgery for sleep apnea about ten years ago. I'm hoping this really opens me up. We'll see.

>70 scaifea: Thanks, my friend. It's A-OK. No post-op pain at all. I should know in about a week what difference there is.

>71 karenmarie: Right, Karen? Last Friends was really good, and having all the characters at life's-end looking back at their relationships and lives certainly makes one think!

I'm sure you're not the only person to feel that way about A Clockwork Orange. We just read an article about Malcolm McDowell who said they knew they'd made something special with the movie, but who would've guessed it would still be so talked-about all these years later.

Sometimes being assigned a book in a class can add to the enjoyment of it, and sometimes it can make it unpalatable. I always think of Dandelion Wine, which I was assigned and ended up loving.

Feb 14, 10:53am Top

That huge positive response also surprises me. This country seems to such a built in dislike for "eggheads" and "egghead professors" that to read a book about somebody who becomes one of those seems counter to the realities of our country. However, I suspect that the desire to see somebody "make lemonade out of lemons" trumps all? Deep down the citizens of the U. S. want to believe the myth that opportunity is there for the taking - we just have to take it. This kind of book supports that myth.

Feb 14, 11:03am Top

Sweet Thursday, Joe. Good luck at work. Not bad at all, out here. Now, why can't it stay like this for awhile?

Feb 14, 1:05pm Top

>73 jnwelch:, >75 benitastrnad: The anti-intellectual "my ignorance is just as good as your education" strain in this country has always really annoyed me.

And that myth, "you can make yourself into anything!" is as poisonous a lie as any told in a church.

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>75 benitastrnad: Yeah, I think it's what you said, Benita, the desire to see somebody "make lemonade out of lemons", and to see someone come from a deprived, oppressed background and somehow make it to the top. If my math is right, she's only 33 years old, and to me it is a pretty amazing story. I just read a section near the end where she and her mother are finally honest with each other about what happened in the house, and it was moving. So I like the book better for that. That still, for me, doesn't nudge the gauge out of the middling range.

>76 msf59: Sweet Thursday, buddy. My work day has mainly consisted so far of yapping with old pals and clearing my desk, so you won't hear me complaining. I know - we get one decent day, and then the temp plummets again? Who's in charge of all this? We need to talk.

>77 richardderus: Ah, yes, the Trump supporter view of the "academic elite" and the latter's darn liberal views - my ignorance is just as good as your education, and stop looking down on me. I"m okay with the "stop looking down on me" part, of course, but not the rest. There's true information everywhere to be had; to wallow in ignorance and pride yourself on it is a waste, harmful to others and our country, and just plain, yes, stupid.

"You can make yourself into anything" - I don't think of it as a poisonous lie as much as a worthwhile aspiration that we're not actually fostering, similar in many ways to "we're all created equal". We could make it much easier for folks to make themselves into something they desire (if not "anything"), and make this a "land of opportunity". Doesn't that sound familiar and good? Likewise, we could treat each other like we're all created equal, rather than be racist and tribal and elitist and so on.

One practical step - yes, tax the hell out of the rich, just like the golden olden days when much of what is broken now was running smoothly, based on very high taxes on the rich (pre-Reagan). Even many of the rich are calling for that - none of Trump's pals and confidantes and contributors, of course.

Feb 14, 1:50pm Top

Happy Valentine's Day!! ❤️💚💗💙

Feb 14, 1:53pm Top

>79 ChelleBearss: Ha! Thanks, Chelle. That's one happy Cupid!

Back atcha!

Edited: Feb 14, 1:57pm Top

Some may have wondered, "Where's Rafa?" Rafa is in southern Texas with his abuelita and abuelito, while his parents enjoy being together in Mexico for a little bit. Here he is, busy as ever.

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Last Friends by Jane Gardam

Last Friends is a worthy conclusion to the exceptional trilogy started by Old Filth and The Man in the Wooden Hat. Just as the first featured the perspective of Edward (known as "Old Filth" - Fail in London, Try Hong Kong), and the second that of his wife Betty, the third features Edward's romantic rival Veneering, and explains much of how Veneering became Veneering, and his perspective on the relationships. But it goes further, and has many more of the characters looking back and assessing what happened, and looking to the present, and their now-limited time together. A superb conclusion from a superb writer. The late Ellie Moses and Anne (NarratorLady) originally convinced me to try reading these Gardam books, and I'm grateful.

Feb 14, 2:30pm Top

>81 jnwelch:

Have Rafa and Sam ever met?

Feb 14, 2:49pm Top

>83 m.belljackson: Rafa and Sam did meet last year, Marianne. It was very cute - somewhere I may have a photo - but they were both very young. Their playing "together" involved both of them playing by themselves while near each other. It'd be quite different now. Sam's good at sharing, and I'm sure Rafa is, too (I've not seen Rafa in action with other kids yet). The hope is that we'll get them together again in eastern TN this summer, at a family reunion.

Feb 14, 3:15pm Top

>82 jnwelch: I read Last Friends a while ago. I remember it as being the least satisfying of the trilogy but I was glad I read it. I know that Jane Gardam has a collection of her favorite short stories out now and I must get to that.

As for Educated, that was a book I had no interest in reading until my book group chose it. Turned out to be one of my favorites of the year. The mental illness of the father and acquiescence of the mother created a cauldron of near insanity and it’s a miracle that this girl escaped. It was heartbreaking too because she does love them. It certainly provided one of the best book discussions that we’ve had in ages.

Feb 14, 4:07pm Top

>78 jnwelch: I fear I'm the Trumpanzee's stereotype on legs. I do look down on them and make as little secret of it as will prevent me from being lynched in the streets. The best possible outcome to the long national nightmare is to make the young people look at the right wing and think, "oh HECK no!" and move back to the left.

We need to tax corporations heavily, people a bit less so, and make sure the poorest among us have homes and food and medical care. This shouldn't be controversial, should it? "That which you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others" is pretty much standard operating procedure among decent people for the past 2,500 years, isn't it?

Good heavens. I read that and thought "what a simp!" Like it's ever been S.O.P. *sigh* I'd support any platform that made it so, though.

Feb 14, 8:20pm Top

Hope Rafa (and his Ma and Pa) is enjoying his vaca!

Feb 14, 9:09pm Top

I've just read past the halfway mark in Educated, Joe. For me, it isn't a question of whether or not I "like" it. I'm just astonished by the story, mostly by the conduct of the father and the acquiescence of the family members to his demands and dictates. This real-life tale certainly takes the wind out of my objections to the parental conduct in Chaim Potok's novels.

While it is still Valentine's Day, I want to share this Gauld I saw today:

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Everything I have heard about Educated reminds me of Glass Castle and I wonder why one book like that wasn’t enough for the public? It certainly was for me.

I never wanted to read Glass Castle either - until my real life book discussion group forced me to do so. I read it. Still have the same opinion of it. If my book discussion group reads Educated I may make plans to be ill that day. Avoidance is sometimes the best policy.

It is not that I hate these books, I just don’t enjoy reading them. I also have to wonder about a public that thinks it is wonderful instead of flagellating themselves for the failure to remove these children from such abusive homes.

Edited: Feb 15, 3:04am Top

One day I've got to get to Old Filth. I have it on my TBR for a few years now. As for Educated, my sister put me onto that one and I really enjoyed it. But I did not care for The Handmaiden's Tale, which everyone on LT loves but me . That's life with books, Joe. My sister alerted me to Educated and hassled me until I read it! :-) But I actually liked it. My sister's son is finishing up his PhD at Cambridge in the UK and he is always sending my sister the Booker Winners, which she secretly dislikes , so I think she decided that she'd try to read a book she could recommend to her son. It's so much fun as your kids make their way into the world. My sister now subscribes to The Walrus and The New Yorker - or some some sort of magazines that her son told her to read. Kids, keeping us on toes.

Feb 15, 3:11am Top

Delurking to say Hi! before this thread is over. : ) I really enjoyed Educated, but I also got to hear her speak twice, both to an adult audience and then with an intimate high school aged crowd. I could hear her as I read the book. Amazing story.

Feb 15, 7:08am Top

Morning, Joe! Any weekend plans? Charlie and I are headed to Indiana to visit my parents, finally - we haven't seen them since Thanksgiving and we're really missing them!

Feb 15, 7:53am Top

Friday! Yippee! How did the law-textbook proofing go?

Feb 15, 7:56am Top

>86 richardderus: Insult to chimpanzees, they are pretty bright! Did make me smile though!

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>85 NarratorLady: Good comments, as always, Anne. Educated won't be one of my favorite books of the year, as you can tell, but I can imagine it triggering a great book club discussion. I imagine folks talking about her surviving the abuse and their own experiences with parenting? And the vagaries of memory?

I'm in an unusual position here. If hardly anyone knew about Educated, I'd be saying it's an amazing story with solid writing. Because the book is so overwhelmingly popular, I'm instead saying, hey, wait a minute, it's not that great. I finished last night, and I'm glad I read it. It's just not that great.

Last Friends, as in part an end-of-the-run book, probably was inevitably a little less satisfying than the fireworks of the first two? It really got to me.

>86 richardderus: I do think the cruelties, obvious hypocrisies, racism and absurdities of the right wingers is pushing young people to the left. Surveys support that, and anecdotally it sure seems true. The failure to do anything about gun control is having a huge impact.

I'm skeptical of relying on taxing corporations, as they seem to either elude taxing to a great extent through tax experts, or base themselves somewhere where they can. Maybe there's an effective way of taking that on. But taxing the wealthy - simple, fair, and effective, IMO.

"That which you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others" is pretty much standard operating procedure among decent people for the past 2,500 years, isn't it? Ha! I understand you're kicking yourself, but that's right, isn't it. Deciding that doesn't apply to others who are different from you in one way or another - race, color, beliefs, economic status, not a member of the country club - can't be morally justified. To live with it, you have to surround yourself with folks who want to ignore decency, too, and will hoot and holler about how that's right, that's right. How the Evangelicals and other right-eous Christians (there are many decent lefties) live with themselves is beyond me.

Feb 15, 8:42am Top

>87 ChelleBearss: Hi, Chelle. Rafa and his ma and pa all seem to be enjoying their adventures in Texas and Mexico. And I'll bet they're all missing each other like crazy. And I'll bet abuelita and abuelito are exhausted. It's challenging to take care of one that young when you've reached an advanced age. They've really given our son and DIL a gift. (We would've said yes, too, but woo, not easy).

>88 weird_O: Ha! I love that Tom Gauld cartoon. You're right, perfect for Valentine's Day.

Educated is an astonishing story, isn't it, Bill. Yeah, it's makes the parental behavior in Chaim Potok's books look like a day in the park, doesn't it. I have some frustrations with my parents, but they were smart and loving (in their own way) and kind. We tried to raise our kids in a way that left them unburdened and with a wide open field to run in. But we also gave them our discipline and structure. No meant no. We both believe kids thrive on that.

I think young Rafa must feel like he won the lottery when he picked his parents. I hope our kids feel the same way.

Feb 15, 8:52am Top

Hi Joe! Happy Friday to you.

Even though it wasn’t the GN you said I should try, I recently got Octavia Butler’s Kindred because I just read Kindred and thought it would be an excellent way to read a GN about a book I was deeply moved by. … Nope. I found myself just looking for the bubble words after looking at the drawings and seeing characters that did not look like my concept of them at all. Sometimes movies work the same way, too. It reminded me that I did the same thing when reading the only GN I’ve finished – read the words, ignore the comics. So, no more GNs for me. I’ll leave them to those who can appreciate them!

I was happy to see that Amazon pulled out of the dual NY and VA second headquarters due to protests. I’ve always thought incentives are absolutely ridiculous – towns, counties, and states ultimately paying for the jobs created by the corporations given the incentives. If every government entity STOPPED offering incentives and it got back to corporations being offered the privilege to do business in the US, then I’d be much happier. Of course it would never happen. Here’s an interesting article on incentives, Dell, Winston-Salem NC, repayment, and etc. It’s the only instance I’ve heard of where repayment of the incentives has actually even been mentioned. Dell plant closing

And let’s see if the idiot-in-chief adds more to his chaotic administration by declaring a state of emergency and robbing the military today to build his damned wall.

Feb 15, 8:53am Top

>89 benitastrnad: I haven't read Glass Castle, Benita (and don't plan to), but I know what you mean re Educated.
It is not that I hate these books, I just don’t enjoy reading them.
Can't be more fair than that. Does Marie Kondo apply to books, too? Maybe so. "Does it bring you joy". Educated did for me; I'm glad I read it.

>90 vancouverdeb: Yes, give Old Filth a try some time, Deb. She's such a good writer, and the characters and stories grabbed me.

Educated appeals to such a wide range of readers. It's one of those phenomenons (okay, phenomena). I was thinking about how happy and surprised that Westover, her editor and her publisher must be. I doubt anyone saw this level of success coming.

Our kids make good book rec's to us - usually sci-fi and GNs from our son, and lit and mysteries from our daughter. Neither of us shares our daughter's passion for true crime books, poor thing. Her grandma did; we loved their closeness and that shared interest.

I don't know The Walrus - what kind of magazine is that? We keep up with the New Yorker. I often think that's one that will survive the movement to online publications.

Feb 15, 8:57am Top

>98 jnwelch: NO Joe, Marie Kondo has no concept of why book lovers keep books. She suggests you keep no more than 30!

Feb 15, 9:01am Top

>91 Berly: Educated is an amazing story, isn't it, Kim. I would love to hear her talk about it. Did she address family reactions? If I remember right, three brothers helped her with it, and the rest of the family will have nothing to do with her. And the whole issue of memory - is she now comfortable that she's correctly remembered what happened with her father, her mother and Shawn? And with the others? I'm glad she finally went to a therapist - if anyone's situation cried out for that, hers did.

>92 scaifea: Hi, Amber. Oh, I'm glad you and Charlie are visiting your parents. Didn't you just withstand an in-law visit recently? Have fun!

Yes, pretty full weekend for us. Tonight we have Debbi's birthday dinner at Shaw's Crab House; tomorrow is our first day of Academy Award nominee movies - we see the rest the following Saturday. Debbi has a get-together with her storytellers' group on Sunday, and our fair Becca visits us that day before Debbi leaves for it.

Feb 15, 9:05am Top

>93 richardderus: Ha! I join your Friday Yippee!, Richard.

The textbook-proofing went pretty darn well, thanks. This is a new publisher for us, and they made fewer goofs than their predecessor. I also like their presentation better (font, headings, etc.) The last corrections went out yesterday, on time. Phew!

>94 Caroline_McElwee: I hadn't thought about chimpanzees' reactions to "Trumpanzee", Caroline. Good catch! :-)

Feb 15, 9:07am Top

>98 jnwelch: - The Walrus is a Canadian magazine, Joe. I don't subscribe but I do buy it and occasionally get it from a friend who does subscribe. It's all about current affairs, culture, and provocative thinking, similar to a New Yorker or Atlantic, in style.

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>97 karenmarie: Happy Friday, Karen!

Jeez, what were you thinking? Don't read some other GN. Try the GN I suggested you try! I'm not running this cafe for charity, you know. Wait, that doesn't make any sense, does it. Anyway, try The Arrival. Your library will have it. It'll take you less than an hour - probably way less - to read it.

I've actually heard lots of good things about the Kindred GN. I'm a sci-fi reader, and I've read Octavia Butler, but not that one in any form. Bad Joe! (That's my Mark imitation).

It does sound like you're not a GN person. But never say never! Did I mention The Arrival?

Chicago is already making another play for the Amazon headquarters! The pressure on/draw for politicians to offer incentives is mainly jobs, and some lifting of the local spirits, I suppose. (I was going to add taxes to the benefits, but that seems to be given away a lot in the incentives). They can point to it as an accomplishment if an Amazon locates there. Departures can devastate a community; my bride's hometown of Pittsfield, MA lost their big GE facility to a southern state and, as I understand it, it made for a big loss of population and hard times. I'll have to circle back to the Dell article. Thanks for the link.

Declaring a state of emergency - he's opening Pandora's box if he does it. Isn't our gun control situation a national emergency? As Pelosi says, if drumpf makes this precedent, the next Democratic president can use it for gun control and any number of other things. This assault on our democracy is unrelenting, isn't it. The founders deliberately sought to not have an Imperial President (King, Emperor), and our present Idiot-in-Chief can't stand that.

Feb 15, 9:29am Top

>94 Caroline_McElwee: Not a chimp fancier, me. Their violence and cruelty is too close to humanity's for my comfort.

>95 jnwelch: Best way I know of to tax corporations effectively is to pass a tax law that says "for every dollar of turnover in the US, including salaries, non-cash compensation, and sales in the US, your corporate parent is required to deposit a non-refundable compliance bond equal to 200% of the highest worldwide market valuation of all its units, subsidiaries, and business offices, until a pattern of compliance with the intent of all US tax laws is established and maintained for a period of not less than 25 years. An alternative minimum annual tax payment in full of 35% of the value of worldwide cash reserves and non-cash asset transfers will substitute for this provision."

How the Evangelicals and other right-eous Christians (there are many decent lefties) live with themselves is beyond me.
Because they are Right. Worst, most addictive drug in the world, Being Right.

>101 jnwelch: That's a great result. Changing publishers is frequently an exercise in unrewarded frustration.

Feb 15, 9:47am Top

>96 jnwelch: oh absolutely. My in-laws are in their late 50’s and watch our girls overnight one weekend a month. I know by Sunday night that they are ready to have a break! The girls are well behaved but constantly busy.

Feb 15, 9:52am Top

>102 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. I'm glad I know about The Walrus now.

>104 richardderus: Interesting point re violence and cruelty and chimps, Richard. It reminds me that whenever I see a movie has a monkey or chimp as a main character, I think "no." The first Planet of the Apes is an exception, but it's hard to think of any others. Our son likes the various POTA sequels, but I haven't been motivated.

I have no idea whether your tax idea would work!

Ha! Now you've got me rethinking all those things I know I'm right about. Maybe as long as I don't use a capital R?

This publisher change has worked well so far. We'll see. We went from a gigantic one to one focused only on academics. Today they caught a goof of ours (not mine!), so my respect went up a notch. Of course, if everything ends up lost in a warehouse in Jersey, I'll look at things differently. (Or is that the Lost Ark?)

Feb 15, 9:54am Top

>105 ChelleBearss: Right, Chelle? Madame MBH and I still aren't sure how we did it when we were your age. Our son's respect for us has grown a lot since Rafa showed up. :-)

Feb 15, 10:43am Top

>103 jnwelch: Yes sir! I have just requested the one copy of The Arrival and will pick it up tomorrow when Bill and I run errands. *smile*

Feb 15, 10:45am Top

>108 karenmarie: Hee-hee! I can't believe you remembered my recommendation of The Arrival, Karen. Subtlety is my middle name.

Feb 15, 10:53am Top

I subscribe to The Walrus- it has some pretty interesting articles . They sometimes sponsor speaking events in different cities in Canada- one of those events that I wish had time to go to!

Feb 15, 12:14pm Top

>110 torontoc: Hi, Cyrel! Nice to see you here. I'll keep an eye out for The Walrus. I don't know when we'll be in Canada next, but I hope soon. I've been to the Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver areas, and Three Pines, of course (does that count?), but that's it so far. Oh, and Windsor, since I grew up in the Detroit area.

Feb 15, 3:01pm Top

Ah, the pure JOY of ignoring Marie Kondo...
and wishing that Amazon would buy out Foxconn in Wisconsin...
and wishing it was warm enough for a full scale March to End Trump in Washington...
and wishing there was
a thread where a totally brilliant and wildly explicative rejoinder (written by a friend) to newspapers firing Wiley could be printed.

Feb 15, 3:52pm Top

>112 m.belljackson: Ha! Marie Kondo is hard to avoid right now, isn't she, Marianne. I haven't read her book or seen her show, and I still know who she is and what she's about. Jeesh.

Why would you like Amazon to buy out Foxconn? I don't know much about Foxconn, other than it's a successful tech company.

Oh, I wish a March could End Trump. But there more pressure on politicians about him, and on him about him, the better. I can see why Wiley Miller couldn't resist sending an anti-Trump message. I can see a reprimand, since he hid it in the cartoon, but firing is extreme.

You certainly can post the brilliant rejoinder here if you want - if it's wildly explicative, maybe do it under a spoiler cover so folks can decide if they want to read it?

Feb 15, 4:09pm Top

>113 jnwelch:

Foxconn is costing Wisconsin taxpayers billions of dollars for a product we do not at all need more of.
It will also wreck the environment even more. It's another Scott Walker payoff fiasco.

I'm writing to The State Journal to ask why they don't instead fire themselves since they approved the printing.

Okay, I'll work up to writing the full editorial when fingers recover from trip to the mailbox
(even 2 pair of gloves, one a Carhardtt, did not stop today's freeze) and I'm certain spoiler will work.

Here's a test run: The History of the First Amendment or Why We Should All Say F-ck Trump

Edited: Feb 15, 5:34pm Top

>104 richardderus: Bonobo's are apparently the peacemakers Richard.

Feb 15, 10:44pm Top

>100 jnwelch: I too have now finished Educated, Joe. I am glad my daughter gave it to me, and glad I read it. A book of great merit and the author deserves accolades for surviving into adulthood. That family should institute weekly "after action" sessions to see if they can reduce the casualties.

Feb 15, 10:44pm Top

Regarding literary magazines - McSweeney’s. This is the magazine that is edited by Dave Eggars and comes out of that huge publishing center San Francisco. It is ull of all kinds of new and old literary forms as well as art. Comics, drawings, etc. and great short stories and poetry. It is cutting edge stuff.

If you like reading short form literature then McSweeney’s is for you. Just google it and take a look at their stuff.

Feb 15, 10:53pm Top

The Butter Beer at the Harry Potter spinoff Expetricon was Creme Soda with Whipped Cream. Good, tasty, and not too sweet.

Feb 16, 6:08am Top

Morning Joe, I know why this one got missed >99 Caroline_McElwee: you just couldn't bear the thought of the pain...

Feb 16, 7:23am Top

Good morning Mr. Subtle! Happy Saturday to you. How are doing doing post-sinuplasty?

I'll give GNs one more go. At your order request.

Feb 16, 8:51am Top

>114 m.belljackson: The spoiler cover works well, Marianne.

Thank goodness you all voted out Scott Walker. Another disastrous con artist.

Sorry the cold's so bad. Looks like today and three after for the same. Arggh.

>115 Caroline_McElwee: I didn't know that Bonobos were peacemakers, Caroline. The way we're going, they may be the ones to inherit the earth.

Feb 16, 8:54am Top

>116 weird_O: That family should institute weekly "after action" sessions to see if they can reduce the casualties. Jeesh. Ain't that the truth, Bill. What a dangerous house to live in. I'm glad you enjoyed Educated. I'm going to do some quotes I liked from it after catching up.

>117 benitastrnad: Yes, McSweeney's is great, Benita. Good recommendation. A regular diet of it is not for me, but I admire it.

Feb 16, 9:01am Top

>118 m.belljackson: That fits ( Butterbeer=Creme Soda), except for me there didn't seem to be a soda element. Smooth, and as you say, not too sweet. Well, too sweet to drink a lot of it, for me, but I'm sure others do.

>119 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! Thanks, Caroline. It's hard to keep up sometimes! Let me go back to >99 Caroline_McElwee:.

>99 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! Right - I've seen that Marie Kondo absurdity on Facebook. I've wondered whether it's really true. Does she really advise that everyone keep 30 books or less? Most of us here have that many times infinity. She should be advising everyone to line their walls with bookshelves, right? Plus there's that "does it bring you joy" part. Yes, our zillions of books bring us joy, thank you very much.

Feb 16, 9:09am Top

>120 karenmarie: Ha! Oh, I'm glad my subtle message about The Arrival got through, Karen. It's such a cool book. But feel free to loathe it endlessly.

I'm doing pretty darn well post-sinusplasty, thanks. No pain - never had any afterwards. I have to snerkel (that may not be a word, so, flush out) my nosel (nasal) interiors twice a day for a week, and then we'll know how well it worked. It sure has had its moments already. I see the doc again next Thursday.

Edited: Feb 16, 9:47am Top

Here are some quotes I liked from Educated:

“You can love someone and still choose to say goodbye to them,” she says now. “You can miss a person every day, and still be glad that they are no longer in your life.”

“We are all of us more complicated than the roles we are assigned in the stories other people tell."

“It’s strange how you give the people you love so much power over you.”

“I began to experience the most powerful advantage of money: the ability to think of things besides money.”

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Feb 16, 9:24am Top

>126 jnwelch: - Bwahaha. The story of mankind.

Feb 16, 9:25am Top

>115 Caroline_McElwee: Indeed they are, and considered a subspecies of Pan now. They're hard-wired, the theory goes, to prefer sex to violence. I am a bonobo, it would seem.

>120 karenmarie: ...welcome to my world...

>125 jnwelch: I began to experience the most powerful advantage of money: the ability to think of things besides money.
Indeed. The best thing about possessing adequate, but not extraordinary, amounts of money is that very thing. Too much and the world chases you to get some; too little is a titanic disaster.

Happy neti-pottery.

Feb 16, 9:26am Top

>123 jnwelch: - No, Kondo doesn't say no one should have more than 30 books. The 30 number came from an interview or something she did where she said that was the number she had in her home. Her whole method is about holding onto only what makes you happy. If books make you happy, then keep 'em.

Works for me!

Morning, Joe!

Feb 16, 9:40am Top

>127 jessibud2: Hee-hee. Isn't that great, Shelley?

>128 richardderus: Hardwired to prefer sex to violence - sounds like a sound step to paradise, RD.

Aren't GNs wonderful, RD? That's what you meant, right?

Right - it's hard to think about high-falutin' ideals and the meaning of life when you're struggling to find money for food and rent and clothes. Enough makes a big difference - once we get past this Trump era (we will, won't we?), we need to pay more attention to that for those who lack enough.

Feb 16, 9:41am Top

>129 katiekrug: I wondered, Katie. I'm sure I saw somewhere someone contesting that MK had said that about the 30 books. Books make us happy, so we'll keep 'em. Works for me, too!


Feb 16, 9:42am Top

We're off to a day of Oscar-nominated movies, so I'll catch up with you tonight or tomorrow.

Feb 16, 11:01am Top

The History of The First Amendment or Why We Should ALL Say F---

Dear Citizens of the United States of America,

We have freedom of the press so we can circulate opinions freely without fear of censorship.
Yes, yes, there is the caveat the The First Amendment does not protect obscenity.
Thus, a number of newspapers choose to drop comic Wiley from their papers after he scrawled
the angry comment: "go f-ck yourself Trump" on the side of his comic strip.

However, before we go dropping comics, let us consider the political climate that begat that remark,
and particularly, the profane vitriol regularly unleashed by Donald Trump on television, in press,
and, of course, on twitter.


Feb 16, 11:08am Top

For example:

"We're going to knock the shit out of Iceland."

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody (points finger like gun at camera)
and not lose any votes."

"Listen you motherfuckers, we're going to tax you 25%!"

"Every time I speak of the haters and losers I do so with great love and affection.
They cannot help the fact that they were born fucked up."

And, lest we forget:

"I moved on her like a bitch!"

"And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy."

And, We The American People, have not Fired him.

Really, when we have a president who regularly makes comments and policies filled with racism,
misogyny, and hatred, not only our comic strips,
but rather the headlines of our newspapers should read: FUCK DONALD TRUMP.

Feb 16, 11:15am Top

And, here's what I sent today to The Wisconsin State Journal Publishers and Editors:

Letter to the Editor

Yes, it was inappropriate and maybe not wise for WILEY to show his true feelings in a family Sunday cartoon,
but why can't YOU set an example of courage and forgiveness?

And, why should you?

Well, before you fire WILEY, you should fire your staff: you are the ones responsible for what gets published!

You have fired WILEY for what is clearly your fault!

Why are you being allowed to cast this stone against a really fine cartoonist when your President DAILY
makes even worse sexist, racist, and profane public statements that all children can hear?

Please re-think this. No need to apologize. Just bring him back.

Thank you, I hope.

Edited: Feb 16, 12:44pm Top

catching up a bit. Love the paintings this thread. Really liked the first two seasons of Travelers when it was out. Have not started the unexpected season 3. Really looking forward to it.

on the sinus surgery - I hope it is working out. I need something like that but will probably never do it. My sinuses are a mess though and I'm waiting for some miracle cure.

Feb 16, 4:33pm Top

>125 jnwelch: Good choices, Joe. I especially remember the line about money.

I'm still thinking about the story. Connections to battered wives. Religious extremism. I can't say I liked the book, but I think it is an important book. I could favorite it for that.

>126 jnwelch: Yes, yes, yes.

Feb 16, 5:19pm Top

>107 jnwelch: Some days I wish I had of had kids younger as I am 37 with two under 5 and I'm tired. I wish I had more energy, or wine, to keep up with them!

Feb 16, 9:36pm Top

Hi Joe, I am so hopelessly far behind so I did only a quick skim to get here. Sorry to learn about the post surgery issues you are experiencing. Never fun. :-(

Feb 16, 9:49pm Top

>103 jnwelch: Lol. I am not much of a graphic novel person, but I've read a few and own a few more. What's so special about The Arrival? Do tell.

Feb 16, 11:25pm Top

>126 jnwelch: hilarious!

I was like you with Educated; I thought it was good, but not a 5 star read. Fascinating story, but I wasn't overwhelmed by her writing or her insight. I gave it 4 stars.

Feb 17, 8:45am Top

>133 m.belljackson:, >134 m.belljackson:, >135 m.belljackson: Oh, yours and your friends are really well done, Marianne. Thank you for taking the time to post them. Why are you being allowed to cast this stone against a really fine cartoonist when your President DAILY makes even worse sexist, racist, and profane public statements that all children can hear?

Well said. It particularly sickens me that children see the leader of our nation speaking and behaving like this. What parents must be going through trying to explain him and the importance of decent behavior. How many bullies are being encouraged, how many kids are being taught that racism and scorn for the poor are correct and patriotic. It's going to take a long time to undo the damage this man has caused.

Feb 17, 8:52am Top

>136 RBeffa: Hiya, Ron. Good to hear that you like the paintings up top.

Was Season 3 of Travelers unexpected? We're newcomers, so we're just sad there's no season 4. It's an addictive seriese for folks who like complex stories. David may be one of the best "good guy" characters ever created.

You might read up a bit on sinuplasty. So far so good for me. Messed up sinuses are a constant annoyance, aren't they.

It's funny, I just told our young niece in LA and her hubby to enjoy not going to doctors all the time! I try to take long breaks; sometimes it feels like I'm going every week. And I'm pretty healthy!

Feb 17, 9:04am Top

>137 weird_O: Thanks, Bill. I'm glad you liked the Educated quotes. She had a number of good ones, didn't she.

It does seem to be an important book. Abuse, parents who ignore and foster harm, religious extremism, helping others under duress. You're right, I'm still thinking about it, too.

Tom Gauld!

>138 ChelleBearss: I'm just not going to believe you're 37, Chelle, as you're obviously younger. :-) But otherwise I get it. We had our kids when we were in our late thirties, and went through what you are. I'll say this on the positive side, though - we were so much more patient, and I think wise, with them than we would've been at a younger age. The idea of self-centered, clueless me raising kids at age 21 or the like just makes me cringe. Like you, I would've loved to have that energy, but I think it was way better to have them when we were older. (We met when I was in my late 20s).

Edited: Feb 17, 10:39am Top

>139 lkernagh: Thanks, Lori. As always, no worries about skimming to catch up. In a perfect world, we've have endless time to spend on LT, and still have plenty of time to do everything else.

I appreciate the thought - post-surgery has been fine, with no pain at all. It was during surgery that it got to me a bit; they give you a numbing topical, but he really went after my right side because it was so blocked, and that was not my favorite time I've ever had.

>140 The_Hibernator: Boy, what a tough one to answer, Rachel, but I guess I deserve it. What makes The Arrival so special? This is from NPR: "Shaun Tan's graphic novel captures the stories of millions in the cycles of departure, integration and growth. The Arrival is an immigrant story, but in a more universal sense it conveys the feeling that we've all had at some point of being lost, frightened or confused in an unfamiliar environment."

And the drawings are beautiful.

Edited: Feb 17, 10:34am Top

>141 banjo123: Isn't >126 jnwelch: hilarious, Rhonda?

I was like you with Educated; I thought it was good, but not a 5 star read. Fascinating story, but I wasn't overwhelmed by her writing or her insight. I gave it 4 stars.

Wow, well said. I could've saved a lot of words if I'd just said that. That's it exactly.

Feb 17, 9:15am Top

>145 jnwelch: Oh no, one of those horrible white squares for me. They are driving me crackers on LT at the moment.

Feb 17, 9:21am Top

Happy Sunday! Or it will be if I can get some carrot cake pancakes...

Feb 17, 9:21am Top

‘Morning, Joe!

>126 jnwelch: *smile*

>137 weird_O: and >144 jnwelch: I had our daughter when I was 40 and my husband was 37. (Get ‘em young and train ‘em right… but I digress). I was almost hysterically exhausted for the first 6 months, and wildly in love with our little red-headed wonder.

I’m with you – I can’t imagine having had children in my early 20s. Or mid-20s. I think I appreciated her more than I would have when I was younger.

Feb 17, 10:41am Top

>147 Caroline_McElwee: Oh no, Caroline. Those white squares on LT are driving me crazy, too. It's there fine for me, but I'll try to find it from another source to see if that helps on your end. I'm pretty sure that out at the ALA meetup they talked to Tim and Lorannen about the problem, which they'd been unaware of.

>148 richardderus: Ha! Carrot cake pancakes - what a lovely idea.

Feb 17, 10:55am Top

>149 karenmarie: 'Morning, Karen!

I love >126 jnwelch:, too.

Yeah, Madame MBH also was smart and married a younger man. Good point about appreciating the little ones more at a later age.

This is one reason we're happy to give our son and his wife a break with Rafa - we remember how hard it was. We had no nearby family way back when.

Feb 17, 10:56am Top

>150 jnwelch: taking a pancake...

Yay, yes I can see it now, and recognise it.. I still haven't got to that book, but it is near the top of the pile, one of your recommendations of course Joe.

Feb 17, 11:06am Top

My parents were quite young when they had me, their first. My mom had just turned 20 (!!) and my dad was 24. I can't even begin to imagine what that must have been like. They were lucky in the sense that both sets of grandparents were nearby and back in those days, in their generation, that wasn't so out of the ordinary. But yikes. At 20, I had just travelled away from home for the first time and no way was I close to mature enough to consider starting a family!

Feb 17, 11:09am Top

>152 Caroline_McElwee: *throws an elbow* Back!! Back, I say! These pancakes >150 jnwelch: are mineminemine!

Feb 17, 11:09am Top

>142 jnwelch:

Thank you Joe! Resistance is not easy in these scary times.

With so many Liberal Political Cartoonists getting torpedoed out of our diminished newspapers,

it is really beyond sad to see the disappearance of WILEY.

Feb 17, 11:48am Top

>152 Caroline_McElwee: Enjoy the carrot cake pancake, Caroline.

Oh good. I have no idea what's going on, but sometimes changing the source takes care of the problem. Oh, you'll love The Arrival when you get to it. So good! I love his art. I've read everything he's published.

>153 jessibud2: Right, Shelley? Same for me. I've a relative who had daughters when she and her husband were 18 and 20, and I think they were way too young. The kids are wonderful and talented, but . . . very complicated. There are always exceptions, but I feel like parents at that age are "amateurs"; they're just not ready for it.

And when we go back in time, women were having children at such young ages! Of course, everything was different, and many children didn't survive. We saw "The Favorite" yesterday, with Queen Anne in the early 1700s. She lost 18 children! (They say 17 in the movie - I'm not sure why; maybe timing). Miscarriages, stillbirths - none of them lived long. How devastating would that be?

Feb 17, 11:52am Top

>154 richardderus: Hee-hee. I've warned people to be careful around you when food's at stake, RD. But Caroline's a tough one, I can tell you that much.

>155 m.belljackson: Right, Marianne. I saw a good bumper sticker yesterday - "Facts Matter", with the hashtag: #resist.

I hope Wiley makes a comeback. He deserves it.

Feb 17, 2:55pm Top

>154 richardderus: >157 jnwelch: I like to share *stuffing pancake in mouth*.

Edited: Feb 17, 4:19pm Top

>150 jnwelch: I can top those carrot cake pancakes. We went out for brunch today and I had lemon poppy pancakes with candied ginger syrup and sour cherry sauce. They looked something like this, and were to die for:

Washed down with a mimosa and plenty of coffee, of course.

Feb 17, 4:20pm Top

>158 Caroline_McElwee: *jaundiced glower*

>159 lauralkeet: *eager beam* They look glorious, and the flavors sound perfect in combination.

Feb 17, 5:54pm Top

>158 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! Well, you don't want to overshare, I guess, Caroline. "Everybody gets some" is a good principle to live by (if you're not Richard!)

>159 lauralkeet: Oh my, Laura, that does sound good. Lemon poppy pancakes with candied ginger syrup and sour cherry sauce. Yum! And what a photo. I'd probably still go with the carrot cake ones, because I'm a carrot cake nut (not a nut cake carrot), but I sure wouldn't be unhappy with those. And I'm all for mimosas and lots of coffee.

>160 richardderus: Heh. I had a feeling you'd be spatting (or spattering batter) with Caroline over these. Don't Laura's look and sound glorious?

>161 Caroline_McElwee: :-)

Feb 18, 3:59am Top

Sending sunny greetings from Davos.

Feb 18, 8:10am Top

>163 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. Have fun! I've only gray sky greetings to send back, but I'll be following your blue sky adventures in Davos.

Feb 18, 8:14am Top

Happy day, Joe!

Even when I go to Mark's thread, I see you touting The Arrival! I couldn't get it Saturday (both Bill and I had a bad case of CRS - can't remember shit - and drove past the library twice without stopping in), but I'm going into town today and shall stop. The Library's definitely open, checked their website. I've also gotta get Bill a Birthday Card and fixin's for chicken pot pie and cheesecake. His 63rd birthday is Wednesday.

Just curious - what are you reading?

Edited: Feb 18, 8:32am Top

>165 karenmarie: Ha! You caught my plug for The Arrival on Mark's thread. He's a big fan.

Heh. I hadn't heard of CRS, but I'm intimately familiar with it. Happy 63rd to that youngster Bill. I have a feeling I now know his favorite vittles.

What am I reading now? I've got Marlon James' fabulous so far Black Leopard, Red Wolf going (the first of three, described as Game of Thrones set in Africa - which doesn't fit at all so far), the new Montalbano mystery, The Overnight Kidnapper, and the most recent Terrance Hayes poetry collection, Future Assassin (real title is longer). My GNs are Becoming Unbecoming (difficult material about the author's experience with sexual abuse) and a translated one about Frida Kahlo which I'm liking a lot.

You inspired me on the GN front, so I'm putting together a list of my favorite GNs. with a thought toward what ones might be best for newbies. Besides The Arrival, which you'll love or loathe or meh, I've had success with Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi (my skeptical English prof BIL) and Blankets by Craig Thompson (an LTer - too long ago to remember who). Madame MBH has suggested Fun Home, Alice Bechdel's memoir that led to the Tony-winning play, as a starter for GN newbies.

Feb 18, 8:46am Top

You got that right about Bill's favorite foods! I make the chicken pot pie exactly like his Grandmother did and he always appreciates and loves it. I always make Bill's and Jenna's favorites for their birthdays. I let Bill take me out to dinner on my birthday, but I always my own favorite dessert - German Chocolate Cake.

Well, now I'm BB'd with Black Leopard, Red Wolf. The Amazon description doesn't even make it sound like GoT. I'm a rare exception to appreciating Montalbano and most poetry, and the jury's out, of course, on GNs. I do appreciate your persistence with GNs, of course, and perhaps I just need to hone in on only fiction, and only fiction where I haven't read the novel. Understanding Comics and Octavia Butler's Kindred may have been aberations. See, I'm open minded! Sorta. Sometimes. Today may be my Rubicon!

Edited: Feb 18, 2:20pm Top

>167 karenmarie: Ha! Do you like memoirs, Karen? As Mark has pointed out, there are some remarkable graphic memoirs out there. Persepolis, Blankets and Fun Home all fit that. To me, GNs are just another way of telling a story. We like movies; why wouldn't we like sequential art frames if done well?

Growing up, we had a family friend who used to make us her German Chocolate Cake, and it was unbelievably good. Rich, and filled with tastiness. Good choice for your favorite and birthday dessert.

Feb 18, 2:23pm Top

*shields eyes from chocolate pollution*

Joegottabequickreviewed The Lost Plot haddareaditrightNOWwasgreat


Feb 18, 2:27pm Top

I spent Sunday evening with German Chocolate cake. I am making it as a birthday gift for a friend who turns 60 on Tuesday. Baked the cakes last night and had enough time to watch the last part of Victoria. Tonight I will make the frosting for the cake and will put it together and frost it on Tuesday before we go out to dinner.

Mine won't look like the one above. I don't and won't put chocolate frosting on a German Chocolate cake. It will have the coconut pecan icing all the way around.

Feb 18, 3:19pm Top

>168 jnwelch: I do love memoirs, Joe. Let me dip my toes into The Arrival and if I have a good experience with it, I’ll consider other GN recommendations.

German Chocolate cake should be three layers and shouldn’t have chocolate frosting, as >170 benitastrnad: notes below. However, my husband doesn’t like coconut, and I’ve gotten excessively lazy in recent years. Here’s 2017’s effort:

Feb 18, 3:44pm Top

Mine is going to have four layers. I didn't have a third 8" pan, so I will more thin layers because I think the two cakes are way to thick. I haven't baked one of these in a long time and I have to admit that I had fun baking those cakes. I hope that the celebrants have just as much fun eating it.

Edited: Feb 18, 8:34pm Top

Hi, Joe. It does not take long to fall behind on LT. I just did not have time, to reply or visit threads. As a matter of fact, I didn't even read one page of any of my print books. It was a great trip and a complete success. There were many, many birders up there, old and young, so I am glad I am not alone, in my extreme wackiness.

I am so glad you are enjoying Black Leopard. I am sure the writing is wonderful.

Yesterday, 8:02am Top

>169 richardderus: *watches Richard whoosh by with eyes shielded - from chocolate?* Good to seeeeeeee . . . Isn't that a great series? I've got early a.m. biz, but I'll hurry over to that Lost Plot review when I get back.

>170 benitastrnad: I spent Sunday evening with German Chocolate Cake. That's something so many of us dream of saying, Benita. Good luck! Coconut pecan icing sounds great. I'm pretty sure that's what our friend used when I was a lad.

>171 karenmarie: Ha! I love your stripped down cake, Karen. Kind of deconstructionist. OK, let's see if we can do a better job on the frosting here in the cafe. Betty volunteered to help:

Yesterday, 8:07am Top

>172 benitastrnad: Let us know how it goes, Benita. I'd be all for 6 or 8 layers, and I'd bring my biggest fork.

>173 msf59: Ha! It's always good to find your tribe, isn't it, Mark? I'm glad you had a lot of birder pals, and such a successful trip. It was in the 70s here and sunny while you were gone. Yeah, right.

Methinks you're going to love Black Leopard. Yes, the writing is wonderful, and so far it's a little easier to piece together than Brief History of Seven Killings was.

Edited: Yesterday, 12:57pm Top

Yesterday, 8:10am Top

'Morning, Joe!

>172 benitastrnad: That sounds even more wonderful, Benita. I agree that two layers would be too thick. There has to be the right ratio of frosting to cake.

>174 jnwelch: Good job, Joe! If that was in my house right now it would be the perfect breakfast to go with my coffee. Sigh. I might make one when my sister visits in May.

Yesterday, 12:28pm Top

Hey Joe! I've heard a lot of good things about Black Leopard, Red Wolf. I'm going to try to wedge that in to my must reads sometime this year. fingers crossed!

Yesterday, 1:02pm Top

>177 karenmarie: 'Morning, Karen! Thanks! Breakfast cake is the best. Breakfast cookies are excellent, too. And breakfast pie. We all loved it when my mother, one morning when we were on vacation, decided to have breakfast ice cream. Ha! She normally was very proper, so that made it all the better.

>178 Carmenere: Black Leopard, Red Wolf so far is another standout from Marlon James, Lynda. It's fun to finally have African myths as the backbone to great stories. He likes to write long ones, so you'll want to set aside some time for it!

Yesterday, 1:43pm Top

>178 Carmenere: >179 jnwelch: Thanks for the heads up, Joe!

Yesterday, 2:44pm Top

>166 jnwelch: I'm looking forward to your list of favourite GNs, Joe. I prefer the more non-fiction type myself. A really good one for mystery addicts is Agatha: The Real Life of Agatha Christie. I am also a great fan of Rick Geary's books about historic crimes. I am currently delving into his A Treasury of Victorian Murder: Compendium Vol. 1.

Yesterday, 5:07pm Top

That's what my cake is going to look like tonight. I cooked and frosted the sheet cake (that is the bastardized version of the real cake - said Dr. Frankenstein) last night, so that I will know what I am doing tonight. I hope it turns out just as well. as the experiment.

Yesterday, 5:08pm Top

I finished reading my latest Guido Brunetti book Fatal Remedies by Donna Leon last night and today at lunch I started Girl From Yamhill: A Memoir by Beverly Cleary. I have dreams of visiting Yamhill.

Yesterday, 6:10pm Top

>180 Carmenere: :-)

>181 Familyhistorian: Yeah, I think Mark prefers the nonfiction GNs, too, Meg. I'll try to find time tomorrow to post that GN list. I'm torn, because in a way it's too long right now. Hmm.

Yes, our daughter loved the Agatha GN, and it looked great. I should borrow it form her. *note to self* I'll also ask her if she knows about Rick Geary and the Treasury of Victorian Murder - she's a big true crime buff.

>182 benitastrnad: I bet it'll taste great, Benita. We need to talk to Tim and Lorannen about programming the site so we can post flavors.

>183 benitastrnad: I don't know Yamhill, but our daughter, and maybe our son, liked Beverly Cleary books when they were young. I have to admit, I got worn out on Brunetti after 4 or 5. Why Montalbano fits the bill for me every time, and Brunetti doesn't, I can't really explain. Among other things, I guess, I just love the characters and the humor in the former.

Yesterday, 6:36pm Top

>183 benitastrnad: >184 jnwelch: I loved Girl from Yamhill by Beverly Cleary as well as her second memoir My Own Two Feet. Her Ellen Tebbits was the first chapter book I ever took out of the library. I was never very interested in the Ramona books since I had two pesky little sisters of my own(!) but about a decade ago I discovered Dear Mr. Henshaw, a gem of a story that moved me to tears.

Yesterday, 6:39pm Top

Hi Joe!

I came, I saw, I was conquered. Here's my review of The Arrival: bye-bye graphic novels

Yesterday, 6:43pm Top

>157 jnwelch:

We aren't the only WILEY fans!

Here's this from today's Wisconsin State Journal Letters to the Editor:

"I am appalled the State Journal would choose to cancel 'Non Sequitur,'
probably the funniest comic strip in the paper, while continuing to grant
ample space to bloviating columnists such as Dana Milbank and John Kass.
The columns are a regular assault on logic, a place where sarcasm
supplants rational thinking."

and, another,

"Couldn't the State Journal just give the cartoonist a timeout...?"

Yesterday, 7:43pm Top

>185 NarratorLady: Hi, Anne. Ramona! That's it. And Beezus, right? I didn't know about her others. I probably would have liked her books at the right age, but I missed them.

>186 karenmarie: Ha! Thanks, Karen. I went over and read your review and commiserated. Kudos to you for giving it a go. Your my very first failure with GNs, but likely not my last. They're not for everyone.

>187 m.belljackson: Go WILEY fans! I particularly agree with that last one, Marianne. Firing him was too extreme - a warning, a timeout, a suspension, would have been wiser.

Yesterday, 8:51pm Top

Hi Joe. Wow so much love/hate for Educated. I fall into the love side but not quite five stars. I LOVE the painting in >20 jnwelch:..that would certainly bring me joy. So would an additional 30 books on top of what I now own lol.

Yesterday, 9:21pm Top

Hi, Joe. Heavy day at the P.O. It should be much better tomorrow. I am enjoying Little Women and I am also enjoying a story collection by the actor/playwright Sam Shepard. The Andrea Gibson collection has been incredible. Another winner rec by you.

Today, 5:30am Top

Morning, Joe!

>184 jnwelch: Charlie *loves* the Henry Huggins books and also The Mouse and the Motorcycle series, so he's officially a Cleary fan, I think.

>185 NarratorLady: Dear Mr. Henshaw was the only one of her books to win the Newbery Medal, and I agree that it's lovely and a tear-jerker.

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